I’m trying.
I’ve had meetings with Frederator, Disney, Netflix, and a few others. Gotten decent feedback and good responses and reworked my stuff and refined my craft. But it’s a very hard business to break into, especially at that high of a level. It’s all persistence and luck
I have several, I just don’t want to leak them out. Not because I think my idea will be stolen(that is never a risk and anyone who says that never stood a chance in this industry to begin with) but because I don’t know how the project’s details being openly tied to Cinemaphile would effect it. There’s a lot of mixed results and I don’t have a big enough name in the industry to survive a negative blow.
probably smart. I've never heard of Cinemaphile referred to positively. Reactions tend to either be negative, neutral, or a knowing groan with an eye-roll.
I can just give you very VERY general concepts that don’t have any of the depth or details to interest people.
>1-Terminally-Ill boy is kidnapped by an AI and taken to an island where he has to survive killer robots in return for his illness being cured.
This one got rejected for being too much of a drama. And admittedly it was too edged-Lordy. But I had some decent artistic ideas for it
>2-Guy discovered the secret to true wealth is who owes you a favor and so goes out of his way to help people on the basis that eventually the entire world will owe him one.
This was the first thing I ever shopped around and it actually did get me into meetings. But it was very half baked and served mainly as a starting point in my journey.
>3-girl in the middle of nowhere Wyoming stumbles upon an abandoned airplane with charts and diaries detailing various treasures hidden throughout the world, and sets off to find them.
My worst idea ever for a lot of reasons. But it taught me a lot about what not to do when developing a project
>4-in an anthro world. a bunch of Hollywood rejects break into the basement of a tv network and broadcast their own badly produced show at 3 am every night
I still like this one, was meant to be an adult comedy.
>5- a family of crocodiles run a restaurant in an attempt to improve human/crocodile relations
I was approached by a production company to make a preschool show and this was the idea. They liked it but it wasn’t a fit for their current plans and I’m not trying to break into the preschool market rn
>6-slacker dude finally lands a job as a waiter in a Italian restaurant, only it’s owned by the mafia, and he now has to go out of his way to ensure the cops don’t discover the mafia’s various blunders
Another adult comedy. Some fun but not a passion project
>7-boy finds a book that takes him inside the story each night where he has to be the hero and finish the chapter or risk becoming a background character forever
>Cont
That project still has a lot of merit and I produced a full storyboard for the pilot. It’s biggest issue was the budget required to make it a reality for dicey, and the studio that took the most interest asked me to make a webcomic for it, but that fell apart.
>Cont
That project still has a lot of merit and I produced a full storyboard for the pilot. It’s biggest issue was the budget required to make it a reality for dicey, and the studio that took the most interest asked me to make a webcomic for it, but that fell apart.
There are more, including my current series I’m shopping around and two I started developing recently, but this gives you a decent idea I’d some of the stuff I’ve pitched
Would the anthro one be presented as if we're watching the show these characters are making (a la steve brule) or would it just be behind the scenes antics like 30 Rock? Bit of both?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I was thinking bit of both. The basic formula would be like Kappa Mikey where it began as their production, it would cut, then you see the hijinks of the production, then it would end with it all somehow coming together as their disjointed show and you see how their show ended
Cause I'm Autistic and get distracted very easily. I've been working on one for months and only got like a minute of animation done. It'll look like shit but hey at least I'm trying.
i can draw, paint, animate, write, compose music, voice act, edit/composite, color grade and do audio production. i absolutely could make a cartoon mostly by myself if i put my mind to it.
im lazy tho lol
This sounds like the people who are actors/musicians/models/writer/director/producer but what they're really saying is they will basically do anything if it gets them attention. They don't actually have a 'craft'.
>im lazy tho lol
It's not that you're lazy, it's just that you don't really have a plan. Have a plan!
And don't make a cartoon on your own. Making a comic's hard alone, so you can imagine making a cartoon alone sucks more.
>im lazy tho lol
Either you didn't really learn how to do all those things, or you're not lazy. A lot of people learn the gist of how things work and think they know everything, but in reality, they've got a tenuous grasp at basic concepts at best...the equivalence of understanding how a skateboarder does a kickflip as opposed to actually being able to consistently do it.
It's far more likely that you're afraid that by trying to do something you'll learn you're not as good at stuff as you thought you were. It's easier on the ego to say "I could do it if I really wanted to" than to actually go for it and be forced to level up to meet your own expectations. If I'm incorrect, then make something and prove me wrong.
I'm not trying to discourage you. I did the same thing and anaesthetized myself with similar excuses for years, but a mixture of tough love and seeing peers suddenly making careers for themselves snapped me out of it (albeit much later...I'm now like 10 years behind where I probably should be). If you're really capable, then show us (the world, not necessarily Cinemaphile specifically). If not, then you're a poser.
i really hoped that smiling friends was going to be something more original, groundbreaking or subversive like michael and zach's internet stuff but it really is just another "adult" cartoon with generic plots and comedy.
maybe if they were allowed to actual adult humor with no restrictions it'd be something special but it doesn't stand out.
I think it’s unique enough in that it’s not trying to be overtly cynical or play upon the typical adult cartoon tropes.
If that vacation mini episode is anything to go by though I’m assuming they’re leaning heavier into the Family Guy “awkward conversation” type gags and I’m probably out if that’s the case.
I really don't know why the vacation mini episode is hated so much. It was a bit of trolling. Anons who get miffed because they "could have at least left the airport for a bit" completely missed the point. The whole episode was supposed to be a big 'frick you'. It's a joke at the viewers' expense.
I don't think it's a sign of things to come. It was a one-off prank like the live action ATHF episode.
In practice it came across like that, but the Seinfeld episode didn't operate under the guise of being anything different. Sitting around and arguing about pedantic shit while nothing really happens was exactly on brand for Seinfeld.
The Brazilian spectacular was a bait and switch. Instead of mostly naked twerking Mardi Gras dancers and drunken shenanigans, we got bickering in the airport.
If somebody writes a comic book does the artist get all the credit? Lmao, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here beyond ERM SWEATY YOUR BLUE SKY DREAM IS TOO BLUE SKY
I started with 2D animation but didn't have fun time drawing. Now I'm learning Blender and probably doing 3D animation. I have connections and have an idea for a show that I could sell right now.
To everyone in this thread that is going to say they can't make a cartoon because they aren't a good artist and can't pay other artists, do NOT let that stop you. Make a cartoon even if you suck at art, practice makes perfect. Not to mention there's a charm to amateur looking stuff.
I draw stupid doodles of Spidey but I can't into anything and I can't improve, it sucks but what are you gonna do? Lol, I think I'll eventually comm some people by figuring out some side hustles. Might get into vending machines
>Make a cartoon even if you suck at art, practice makes perfect. >Not to mention there's a charm to amateur looking stuff.
Even though I’m a complete artistic failure (can’t draw, paint, write anything decent, compose a shot, do anything with my 10 fingers etc.) I know what you typed is some hard normie copium bs
“Amateur stuff” is cute when you’re 9 years old, it’s downright embarrassing when you’re 26.
NTA but it’s really not copium. A lot of people give up super early on and that’s what destroys them.
I can’t show you too much because reject is scary and can hurt, but the big thing about this industry is convincing just one person, and that can be easier than you think
I’m
I can just give you very VERY general concepts that don’t have any of the depth or details to interest people.
>1-Terminally-Ill boy is kidnapped by an AI and taken to an island where he has to survive killer robots in return for his illness being cured.
This one got rejected for being too much of a drama. And admittedly it was too edged-Lordy. But I had some decent artistic ideas for it
>2-Guy discovered the secret to true wealth is who owes you a favor and so goes out of his way to help people on the basis that eventually the entire world will owe him one.
This was the first thing I ever shopped around and it actually did get me into meetings. But it was very half baked and served mainly as a starting point in my journey.
>3-girl in the middle of nowhere Wyoming stumbles upon an abandoned airplane with charts and diaries detailing various treasures hidden throughout the world, and sets off to find them.
My worst idea ever for a lot of reasons. But it taught me a lot about what not to do when developing a project
>4-in an anthro world. a bunch of Hollywood rejects break into the basement of a tv network and broadcast their own badly produced show at 3 am every night
I still like this one, was meant to be an adult comedy.
>5- a family of crocodiles run a restaurant in an attempt to improve human/crocodile relations
I was approached by a production company to make a preschool show and this was the idea. They liked it but it wasn’t a fit for their current plans and I’m not trying to break into the preschool market rn
>6-slacker dude finally lands a job as a waiter in a Italian restaurant, only it’s owned by the mafia, and he now has to go out of his way to ensure the cops don’t discover the mafia’s various blunders
Another adult comedy. Some fun but not a passion project
>7-boy finds a book that takes him inside the story each night where he has to be the hero and finish the chapter or risk becoming a background character forever
>Cont
That project still has a lot of merit and I produced a full storyboard for the pilot. It’s biggest issue was the budget required to make it a reality for dicey, and the studio that took the most interest asked me to make a webcomic for it, but that fell apart.
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There are more, including my current series I’m shopping around and two I started developing recently, but this gives you a decent idea I’d some of the stuff I’ve pitched
I have several, I just don’t want to leak them out. Not because I think my idea will be stolen(that is never a risk and anyone who says that never stood a chance in this industry to begin with) but because I don’t know how the project’s details being openly tied to Cinemaphile would effect it. There’s a lot of mixed results and I don’t have a big enough name in the industry to survive a negative blow.
I’m trying.
I’ve had meetings with Frederator, Disney, Netflix, and a few others. Gotten decent feedback and good responses and reworked my stuff and refined my craft. But it’s a very hard business to break into, especially at that high of a level. It’s all persistence and luck
And here is a reject email I got in September from someone who I personally don’t believe read the script
Meanwhile, this is an email I received from a different studio the very next day. This is the exact same script with no changes. All I censored was info that would reveal who they are because it’s them telling me my project was similar to a project they already made.
A lot of people will see the first email and give up without trying to get the second.
>A lot of people will see the first email and give up without trying to get the second.
Agreed. I spent most of my childhood through my early 20's working on my shit but got put through the mental wringer with a toxic college experience (my specific environment was no good for me, but I'd still advocate for higher education in the arts if you're interested in pursuing it professionally). I came out feeling depressed and figured that when the world was filled with so much inhumanly amazing talent, I had zero chance of 'making it'.
Fast forward way too long working shit jobs, I was on a motivational kick and randomly responded to a job post for a mainstream gig in an effort to get used to making more of an effort. To my surprise I ended up being the top applicant and booked my first real industry job. From there, I've had a fairly good success rate with grants, awards, fellowships, and subsequent gigs. I'm far from the best and I'm a nobody in the industry, but I'm doing it. The point is if you want something, there's no reason not to at least try. If you're reasonably good at what you do and willing to work hard to get better, you can probably get farther than you'd think.
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is the hopium I need
7 months ago
Anonymous
As a programmer with a degree, I need this.
I'm happy that I had the experiences that I had and honestly, had I made these strides right out of college I'd probably be a wienery little shit. It was good to gain some humility working tough jobs, but I also wish I had decided to make a go of it sooner.
I think really trying to do what you want and failing would be more worthwhile than making excuses for why it would never work out. For me, the motivation was seeing people who I thought had no chance (just like me) suddenly start finding success because they kept the dream alive and did the work. Luck is really just opportunity coalescing with preparedness - when you meet important people who are looking for someone just like you, you need to be able to show them what you can do by showing them what you have already done.
10 years ago I probably should have been where I am now, but 10 years from now I'm going to be super happy I finally decided to go for it when I did. There really isn't such a thing as 'too late' but start now.
this looks like it was written by someone who is trying to compensate. I'm assuming you sent it to someone who has a foothold in the industry, but by the way they constantly reference "Hollywood", it seems like they're not quite as successful as the image they might exude. It's a little too aware of the gold tower while someone who was comfortably a part of the system wouldn't spend so much time emphasizing the difference between 'real hollyw00dz for real big time' and 'amateur'. Even if they said the same stuff, they'd simply give suggestions instead of drawing that line.
This person seems like an ass. If there's truth to the issue with typos, formatting, etc, that may be worth looking into for the future, but otherwise it seems like it's worth putting behind you. This person wanted to build themselves up by punching down and that usually says more about them than your skills.
They are in charge of development at a studio that has produced some stuff, it smaller scale.
After this email I personally watched some of the stuff he wrote and can honestly say it was horrible, and not just me being bitter he rejected my stuff.
Since then I’ve had dinners with writers and artists who have worked on major shows everyone on this board is aware of , and all of them have had a similar story to this. There seems to always be someone who doesn’t get or doesn’t like your project and calls you the worst thing they’ve ever seen and you have to accept it while knowing that you’re good enough to stick it out.
Will I get a show made? I don’t know. All I can do is keep trying
7 months ago
Anonymous
Do you know or know of a person named Jane with short pink hair?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I have not met anyone named Jane, with or without pink hair. Is this someone I should be on the lookout for?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I thought I had an idea of who you might be but I guess I was wrong. Jane is a friend of mine who lives in LA and has tons of industry connections.
7 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but if I was trying to remain anonymous, I'd probably also deny knowing someone if it could potentially reveal my identity.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Can’t say I know her, but I’m always willing to meet new people and make connections out here.
I think the first issue is that you did not have the script in the proper format. There really is only a single acceptable format for scripts and everyone everywhere in every studio all at once is required to adhere to it. It makes for very easy transition from studio to studio since the job is so transient in nature.
Also it looks like you spent way too much time on the world building and not enough on the actual episode at hand. The world building can come organically through episodes, but the episode shave to stand on their own legs. Don't waste time on the deep lore, everything they need to know about thew world needs to be summed up in one to two sentences at best.
I can understand why you’d think this having not read the script, but these points were why I personally don’t believe he really read it.
I did have it in the correct format, there also were no typos. I spent an extensive amount of time getting it proof read by people other than me. I’ve been screenwriting for nearly a decade and know the correct format.
There was no deeplore in that script, it was a pilot script but it was not heavy on world building.
See, because you haven’t read the script, you have no choice but to take him at his word.
Here are the facts
1-it was in the correct format and there were no typos. I’ve been screenwriting for nearly a decade and had it extensively proof read. I know what the correct format is and even did classes for animation writing hosted by Netflix.
2-this was a pilot script, but it was not heavy on world-building, far from it. I’m not a fan of deeplore plots. The episode gives stakes, introduces characters, and has an objective that gets resolved while setting up the future objectives.
no other studio has had the same issues as this guy did
7 months ago
Anonymous
I can understand why you’d think this having not read the script, but these points were why I personally don’t believe he really read it.
I did have it in the correct format, there also were no typos. I spent an extensive amount of time getting it proof read by people other than me. I’ve been screenwriting for nearly a decade and know the correct format.
There was no deeplore in that script, it was a pilot script but it was not heavy on world building.
Sorry for the double post. The phone glitched and I thought the first response was deleted, so I rewrote it a second time. You can ignore the second one
It depends largely on the attitude of the creator. If someone is just starting to learn and puts something out into the world in earnest, I do think there's charm to that. If they do it while being an butthole about how it "mogs" mainstream network shows, then they deserve all the ridicule they get.
Being able to deal with the embarrassment of being bad at something is the barrier to entry. Some people swallow their pride and go for it, and others live their lives content that they've learned everything they're going to learn by the age of 18.
When I was a kid I had difficulty writing and the school refused to give me services when my mom asked because "everything is digital now anyway"
But it's not just writing being illegible but I can't draw even really simple things at all
Maybe if my school had done its job and assisted me properly with overcoming a learning disability I may have tried
I did not listen to my uncles advice to brush up on my anatomy, then attend a cheaper art school (read not calarts), to polish up on the finer points.
He works for Fox/Disney animation, so he knows what he's taking about.
really great work! Your animation is really expressive and you can tell you've spent some time really honing your craft. I can't wait to see what's next!
>I can't wait to see what's next!
Unfortunately I can't garuntee anything soon since my first child was born just a couple days ago. But I really appreciate the sentiment.
Congratulations! Definitely spend the time adjusting and enjoying your new role as a parent. Before it happened to me,I never would have believed how sentimental I would get when thinking about the earliest days. The little things like sleeping on the couch with the kid on your chest are the memories you’ll cherish the most
7 months ago
Crimson
I can safely say they're some of my most cherished memories already. Even if the lack of sleep is frustrating.
because i just want to jerk off and play video games and i only come to Cinemaphile to check on toonami or whenever adult swim does something out of the ordinary
3rd party only
homecoming - highest pop with a mostly neutral as frick mod team. new sets that feel classic like Storm Blast and such. no dc/marvel ripoffs
thunderspy - the Cinemaphile server, modded to high frick, do whatever the frick, you frick the be the frick
rebirth is the reddit server good luck its as shit as you might think it is. gayass mod team
there is another Re-something server but i forget
I'm lazy untalented and uneducated. Also I have zero contacts and currently no computer just a phone. At this point I'm kinda hoping for death when I go to sleep.
Because according to my art coach in brunei, the one and only prominent newspaper comics artist ambuyart blew it for the rest of us when he tried to pitch a cartoon exclusively centering the lives of bruneians to cartoon network USA back in the mid-late 2000s.
Not CNasia btw, he went staight to the USA in hopes of making it big
I can make one but I'm still hung up on the characters' colors and I work 40 hours a week so carving out time is difficult. I know I'll have to animate it all myself and that's daunting. I wish I had an investor that didn't censor.
I can't draw and I don't think any network would be interested in putting money into my idea and even if they did they wouldn't let it run long enough for the pay off or allow me to have drama/violence required
I have been on three different projects that were never picked up and the pilots went nowhere. Spend a year or more on a pilot, complete it, and the studio pulls the plug on it and we lose everything. This last one, the third one, we were not even finished with it and we still had4 more months before completion date before the studio decided to kill it anyway for budgetary reasons.
Been happening since 2018. Warner Pilot, studio passes on it, get another gig on an Awesome Inc pilot and the studio passes on it. Get a gig on a Floyd County pilot, studio kills it 9 months into the project and I hardly have enough animated scenes to show for all my time.
Because even if I make one and upload it to youtube I have no way of getting the message out there that it exists since I'm not a fanartists with a prior following and I'm not going to subject myself to being "that guy who tried to shill his shit on Cinemaphile" and give it an immediate bad name whenever it's mentioned.
>I'm not a fanartist
I know that doing fanart has always been a way to help stuff get boosted but fricking hell it feels like if you're doing OC stuff nowadays you're fricked ten ways to sunday even more than before.
I'm not worrying about marketing/selling it. I'm worried about getting literally anyone to know it exists to begin with so they can watch it on Youtube. It's quite literally that simple.
you're still worrying about what kind of gum you'll chew to keep your ears from popping before you learn to fly the plane.
Worrying about who is going to watch it seems ridiculous when you have nothing to watch. Make the thing first, worry about the rest when you need to. Most people give up before they finish animating like 10 real seconds.
you're talking about having a network. Everyone needs to do that, but you gain those connections by being active in your scene. If you go to events/workshops/meetups/screenings/and the other crap that is related to your field, you'll make connections with people you need to know.
>had a network of other creators in the industry for a few years since I started >helped me out at the start via introducing me to other people that gave advice to improve my work >now at a level where I'm trying to advance more >My circle has either left comics/animation, got burnt out or they just spend every waking moment of their online presence b***hing about AI
This just hurts cause I liked alot of them but damn I feel I gotta restart my whole network all over again. It'll be harder now cause many of these contacts came from IRL meets at cons and meetup events. The meetup events have disappeared from my area due to Covid and alot of cons have stopped doing creator meets.
Only option is to start tabling again cause I tried my luck online and realize I do way better irl.
Don't make an annoying waifubait character and 95% of that won't exist. Have an understanding of the shit Cinemaphile and twitter becomes autistic about in a female character (and males too) and avoid it. Don't even reference the idea in an offhanded way against the idea or they'll just run with it as an AU fanart thing.
I used to think the idea of a boy character with long hair people kept confusing for a girl was funny. I wanted that to be a recurring joke, but eventually I realized calling attention to any sort of gender confusion would make everyone absolutely fricking braindead about the character and it'd completely suffocate discussion around the character these days, so no fun allowed there. If you can't handle modern fandoms you have to spend a lot of time avoiding every little tick they have. You're definitely screwed if you want a cool male character that could potentially fall into the tumblr sexyman thing. It doesn't even matter the design, the personality of some charming sly male character is completely off the table. And god forbid you have any anthro characters, thankfully I already have an aversion to anything like that to begin with in my work so none of my ideas need to be shot in the foot over it.
>Don't make an annoying waifubait character and 95% of that won't exist.
not even what gooseworx did.
most of this comes about even if dont have cute artstyle, just look at pizza tower.
i thought about it once
I’m trying.
I’ve had meetings with Frederator, Disney, Netflix, and a few others. Gotten decent feedback and good responses and reworked my stuff and refined my craft. But it’s a very hard business to break into, especially at that high of a level. It’s all persistence and luck
got a pitch deck we can peep?
I have several, I just don’t want to leak them out. Not because I think my idea will be stolen(that is never a risk and anyone who says that never stood a chance in this industry to begin with) but because I don’t know how the project’s details being openly tied to Cinemaphile would effect it. There’s a lot of mixed results and I don’t have a big enough name in the industry to survive a negative blow.
probably smart. I've never heard of Cinemaphile referred to positively. Reactions tend to either be negative, neutral, or a knowing groan with an eye-roll.
could you post a crude doodle of the main characters for your ideas?
I can just give you very VERY general concepts that don’t have any of the depth or details to interest people.
>1-Terminally-Ill boy is kidnapped by an AI and taken to an island where he has to survive killer robots in return for his illness being cured.
This one got rejected for being too much of a drama. And admittedly it was too edged-Lordy. But I had some decent artistic ideas for it
>2-Guy discovered the secret to true wealth is who owes you a favor and so goes out of his way to help people on the basis that eventually the entire world will owe him one.
This was the first thing I ever shopped around and it actually did get me into meetings. But it was very half baked and served mainly as a starting point in my journey.
>3-girl in the middle of nowhere Wyoming stumbles upon an abandoned airplane with charts and diaries detailing various treasures hidden throughout the world, and sets off to find them.
My worst idea ever for a lot of reasons. But it taught me a lot about what not to do when developing a project
>4-in an anthro world. a bunch of Hollywood rejects break into the basement of a tv network and broadcast their own badly produced show at 3 am every night
I still like this one, was meant to be an adult comedy.
>5- a family of crocodiles run a restaurant in an attempt to improve human/crocodile relations
I was approached by a production company to make a preschool show and this was the idea. They liked it but it wasn’t a fit for their current plans and I’m not trying to break into the preschool market rn
>6-slacker dude finally lands a job as a waiter in a Italian restaurant, only it’s owned by the mafia, and he now has to go out of his way to ensure the cops don’t discover the mafia’s various blunders
Another adult comedy. Some fun but not a passion project
>7-boy finds a book that takes him inside the story each night where he has to be the hero and finish the chapter or risk becoming a background character forever
>Cont
That project still has a lot of merit and I produced a full storyboard for the pilot. It’s biggest issue was the budget required to make it a reality for dicey, and the studio that took the most interest asked me to make a webcomic for it, but that fell apart.
There are more, including my current series I’m shopping around and two I started developing recently, but this gives you a decent idea I’d some of the stuff I’ve pitched
Would the anthro one be presented as if we're watching the show these characters are making (a la steve brule) or would it just be behind the scenes antics like 30 Rock? Bit of both?
I was thinking bit of both. The basic formula would be like Kappa Mikey where it began as their production, it would cut, then you see the hijinks of the production, then it would end with it all somehow coming together as their disjointed show and you see how their show ended
Cause I'm Autistic and get distracted very easily. I've been working on one for months and only got like a minute of animation done. It'll look like shit but hey at least I'm trying.
i can draw, paint, animate, write, compose music, voice act, edit/composite, color grade and do audio production. i absolutely could make a cartoon mostly by myself if i put my mind to it.
im lazy tho lol
This sounds like the people who are actors/musicians/models/writer/director/producer but what they're really saying is they will basically do anything if it gets them attention. They don't actually have a 'craft'.
>im lazy tho lol
It's not that you're lazy, it's just that you don't really have a plan. Have a plan!
And don't make a cartoon on your own. Making a comic's hard alone, so you can imagine making a cartoon alone sucks more.
>im lazy tho lol
Either you didn't really learn how to do all those things, or you're not lazy. A lot of people learn the gist of how things work and think they know everything, but in reality, they've got a tenuous grasp at basic concepts at best...the equivalence of understanding how a skateboarder does a kickflip as opposed to actually being able to consistently do it.
It's far more likely that you're afraid that by trying to do something you'll learn you're not as good at stuff as you thought you were. It's easier on the ego to say "I could do it if I really wanted to" than to actually go for it and be forced to level up to meet your own expectations. If I'm incorrect, then make something and prove me wrong.
I'm not trying to discourage you. I did the same thing and anaesthetized myself with similar excuses for years, but a mixture of tough love and seeing peers suddenly making careers for themselves snapped me out of it (albeit much later...I'm now like 10 years behind where I probably should be). If you're really capable, then show us (the world, not necessarily Cinemaphile specifically). If not, then you're a poser.
i really hoped that smiling friends was going to be something more original, groundbreaking or subversive like michael and zach's internet stuff but it really is just another "adult" cartoon with generic plots and comedy.
maybe if they were allowed to actual adult humor with no restrictions it'd be something special but it doesn't stand out.
I think it’s unique enough in that it’s not trying to be overtly cynical or play upon the typical adult cartoon tropes.
If that vacation mini episode is anything to go by though I’m assuming they’re leaning heavier into the Family Guy “awkward conversation” type gags and I’m probably out if that’s the case.
I really don't know why the vacation mini episode is hated so much. It was a bit of trolling. Anons who get miffed because they "could have at least left the airport for a bit" completely missed the point. The whole episode was supposed to be a big 'frick you'. It's a joke at the viewers' expense.
I don't think it's a sign of things to come. It was a one-off prank like the live action ATHF episode.
I think a better comparison is the Seinfeld episode where they spend the entire time waiting for a table at the Chinese restaurant
In practice it came across like that, but the Seinfeld episode didn't operate under the guise of being anything different. Sitting around and arguing about pedantic shit while nothing really happens was exactly on brand for Seinfeld.
The Brazilian spectacular was a bait and switch. Instead of mostly naked twerking Mardi Gras dancers and drunken shenanigans, we got bickering in the airport.
I’m not a massive detractor or anything, I just didn’t think the humor stuck very good.
>the episode was making fun of the viewer and trying to get them mad
>people that got mad "missed the point"
ok
t. missed the point
no
I need
>animators
>funding
>a decent plot but I got a few ideas
And I'd have to make it public domain (non-negotiable)
>i want everyone else to make the cartoon i just want the credit
If somebody writes a comic book does the artist get all the credit? Lmao, I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here beyond ERM SWEATY YOUR BLUE SKY DREAM IS TOO BLUE SKY
I think the only thing I could manage is stop-motion cut out animation, which I've played around with learning. Along with shadow puppetry.
I’m making an original comic but for now I’m practicing, doing small comics about shows like the loud house
I started with 2D animation but didn't have fun time drawing. Now I'm learning Blender and probably doing 3D animation. I have connections and have an idea for a show that I could sell right now.
To everyone in this thread that is going to say they can't make a cartoon because they aren't a good artist and can't pay other artists, do NOT let that stop you. Make a cartoon even if you suck at art, practice makes perfect. Not to mention there's a charm to amateur looking stuff.
YES THIS! If it wasn't for my Autism and getting distracted by shit I would commit 100 percent to it.
I draw stupid doodles of Spidey but I can't into anything and I can't improve, it sucks but what are you gonna do? Lol, I think I'll eventually comm some people by figuring out some side hustles. Might get into vending machines
>Make a cartoon even if you suck at art, practice makes perfect.
>Not to mention there's a charm to amateur looking stuff.
Even though I’m a complete artistic failure (can’t draw, paint, write anything decent, compose a shot, do anything with my 10 fingers etc.) I know what you typed is some hard normie copium bs
“Amateur stuff” is cute when you’re 9 years old, it’s downright embarrassing when you’re 26.
NTA but it’s really not copium. A lot of people give up super early on and that’s what destroys them.
I can’t show you too much because reject is scary and can hurt, but the big thing about this industry is convincing just one person, and that can be easier than you think
I’m
And here is a reject email I got in September from someone who I personally don’t believe read the script
Forgot the picture
Meanwhile, this is an email I received from a different studio the very next day. This is the exact same script with no changes. All I censored was info that would reveal who they are because it’s them telling me my project was similar to a project they already made.
A lot of people will see the first email and give up without trying to get the second.
>A lot of people will see the first email and give up without trying to get the second.
Agreed. I spent most of my childhood through my early 20's working on my shit but got put through the mental wringer with a toxic college experience (my specific environment was no good for me, but I'd still advocate for higher education in the arts if you're interested in pursuing it professionally). I came out feeling depressed and figured that when the world was filled with so much inhumanly amazing talent, I had zero chance of 'making it'.
Fast forward way too long working shit jobs, I was on a motivational kick and randomly responded to a job post for a mainstream gig in an effort to get used to making more of an effort. To my surprise I ended up being the top applicant and booked my first real industry job. From there, I've had a fairly good success rate with grants, awards, fellowships, and subsequent gigs. I'm far from the best and I'm a nobody in the industry, but I'm doing it. The point is if you want something, there's no reason not to at least try. If you're reasonably good at what you do and willing to work hard to get better, you can probably get farther than you'd think.
this is the hopium I need
I'm happy that I had the experiences that I had and honestly, had I made these strides right out of college I'd probably be a wienery little shit. It was good to gain some humility working tough jobs, but I also wish I had decided to make a go of it sooner.
I think really trying to do what you want and failing would be more worthwhile than making excuses for why it would never work out. For me, the motivation was seeing people who I thought had no chance (just like me) suddenly start finding success because they kept the dream alive and did the work. Luck is really just opportunity coalescing with preparedness - when you meet important people who are looking for someone just like you, you need to be able to show them what you can do by showing them what you have already done.
10 years ago I probably should have been where I am now, but 10 years from now I'm going to be super happy I finally decided to go for it when I did. There really isn't such a thing as 'too late' but start now.
As a programmer with a degree, I need this.
this looks like it was written by someone who is trying to compensate. I'm assuming you sent it to someone who has a foothold in the industry, but by the way they constantly reference "Hollywood", it seems like they're not quite as successful as the image they might exude. It's a little too aware of the gold tower while someone who was comfortably a part of the system wouldn't spend so much time emphasizing the difference between 'real hollyw00dz for real big time' and 'amateur'. Even if they said the same stuff, they'd simply give suggestions instead of drawing that line.
This person seems like an ass. If there's truth to the issue with typos, formatting, etc, that may be worth looking into for the future, but otherwise it seems like it's worth putting behind you. This person wanted to build themselves up by punching down and that usually says more about them than your skills.
They are in charge of development at a studio that has produced some stuff, it smaller scale.
After this email I personally watched some of the stuff he wrote and can honestly say it was horrible, and not just me being bitter he rejected my stuff.
Since then I’ve had dinners with writers and artists who have worked on major shows everyone on this board is aware of , and all of them have had a similar story to this. There seems to always be someone who doesn’t get or doesn’t like your project and calls you the worst thing they’ve ever seen and you have to accept it while knowing that you’re good enough to stick it out.
Will I get a show made? I don’t know. All I can do is keep trying
Do you know or know of a person named Jane with short pink hair?
I have not met anyone named Jane, with or without pink hair. Is this someone I should be on the lookout for?
I thought I had an idea of who you might be but I guess I was wrong. Jane is a friend of mine who lives in LA and has tons of industry connections.
NTA, but if I was trying to remain anonymous, I'd probably also deny knowing someone if it could potentially reveal my identity.
Can’t say I know her, but I’m always willing to meet new people and make connections out here.
I think the first issue is that you did not have the script in the proper format. There really is only a single acceptable format for scripts and everyone everywhere in every studio all at once is required to adhere to it. It makes for very easy transition from studio to studio since the job is so transient in nature.
Also it looks like you spent way too much time on the world building and not enough on the actual episode at hand. The world building can come organically through episodes, but the episode shave to stand on their own legs. Don't waste time on the deep lore, everything they need to know about thew world needs to be summed up in one to two sentences at best.
I can understand why you’d think this having not read the script, but these points were why I personally don’t believe he really read it.
I did have it in the correct format, there also were no typos. I spent an extensive amount of time getting it proof read by people other than me. I’ve been screenwriting for nearly a decade and know the correct format.
There was no deeplore in that script, it was a pilot script but it was not heavy on world building.
See, because you haven’t read the script, you have no choice but to take him at his word.
Here are the facts
1-it was in the correct format and there were no typos. I’ve been screenwriting for nearly a decade and had it extensively proof read. I know what the correct format is and even did classes for animation writing hosted by Netflix.
2-this was a pilot script, but it was not heavy on world-building, far from it. I’m not a fan of deeplore plots. The episode gives stakes, introduces characters, and has an objective that gets resolved while setting up the future objectives.
no other studio has had the same issues as this guy did
Sorry for the double post. The phone glitched and I thought the first response was deleted, so I rewrote it a second time. You can ignore the second one
>I'm going to do something very few in Hollywood are willing to do -- give you the straight dope.
It depends largely on the attitude of the creator. If someone is just starting to learn and puts something out into the world in earnest, I do think there's charm to that. If they do it while being an butthole about how it "mogs" mainstream network shows, then they deserve all the ridicule they get.
Being able to deal with the embarrassment of being bad at something is the barrier to entry. Some people swallow their pride and go for it, and others live their lives content that they've learned everything they're going to learn by the age of 18.
Don't want to.
When I was a kid I had difficulty writing and the school refused to give me services when my mom asked because "everything is digital now anyway"
But it's not just writing being illegible but I can't draw even really simple things at all
Maybe if my school had done its job and assisted me properly with overcoming a learning disability I may have tried
no better time to start than now. You can either start working at it or let this bother you the rest of your life.
Cartoons are for children
Cartoons from the 90s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_TTHbHXswY
Said Anon, wasting his time as an rapidly aging adult to post on an imageboard for debating and discussing with morons, perverts, and creeps
I did. You guys love it.
Shut up Ian, reruns of OKKO don't count
I wanted to, but I went for military service instead
GET ME OUT GET ME OUT
I did not listen to my uncles advice to brush up on my anatomy, then attend a cheaper art school (read not calarts), to polish up on the finer points.
He works for Fox/Disney animation, so he knows what he's taking about.
It's not too late to listen
Don't know how and don't have any good ideas
Because I'm making a comic, instead.
Get me a pitch
Zach has eyes like Trump
I'm shit at all art except writing and I'm only meh at that
You're probably shit at that too, let's not kid ourselves
Nah. My ex was shit. I'm thoroughly meh.
I have, multiple even
https://youtube.com/@crimsonglory5344
nice! Do you create your own models/sets as well?
Yes, all assets, models, and rigs are made directly by me
Thank you
As much as you'd expect that, no I do not.
really great work! Your animation is really expressive and you can tell you've spent some time really honing your craft. I can't wait to see what's next!
>I can't wait to see what's next!
Unfortunately I can't garuntee anything soon since my first child was born just a couple days ago. But I really appreciate the sentiment.
Congratulations! Definitely spend the time adjusting and enjoying your new role as a parent. Before it happened to me,I never would have believed how sentimental I would get when thinking about the earliest days. The little things like sleeping on the couch with the kid on your chest are the memories you’ll cherish the most
I can safely say they're some of my most cherished memories already. Even if the lack of sleep is frustrating.
Nicely done and cute stuff.
do you have an alt account where you make animations of that shortstack faun just getting railed?
its expensive and time consuming
I made a cartoon a few times. It will take awhile.
because i just want to jerk off and play video games and i only come to Cinemaphile to check on toonami or whenever adult swim does something out of the ordinary
City of Heroes?
Those servers still up?
3rd party only
homecoming - highest pop with a mostly neutral as frick mod team. new sets that feel classic like Storm Blast and such. no dc/marvel ripoffs
thunderspy - the Cinemaphile server, modded to high frick, do whatever the frick, you frick the be the frick
rebirth is the reddit server good luck its as shit as you might think it is. gayass mod team
there is another Re-something server but i forget
I make animated porn
>Why haven't you made a cartoon?
We are in the age of AI
I will when AI gets a bit better. Still sucks at making sequential images that look consistent.
so your cartoon will be as shitty and soulless as your 'ideas'.
Cause it would be better as a personal project.
I'm lazy untalented and uneducated. Also I have zero contacts and currently no computer just a phone. At this point I'm kinda hoping for death when I go to sleep.
Because according to my art coach in brunei, the one and only prominent newspaper comics artist ambuyart blew it for the rest of us when he tried to pitch a cartoon exclusively centering the lives of bruneians to cartoon network USA back in the mid-late 2000s.
Not CNasia btw, he went staight to the USA in hopes of making it big
I can make one but I'm still hung up on the characters' colors and I work 40 hours a week so carving out time is difficult. I know I'll have to animate it all myself and that's daunting. I wish I had an investor that didn't censor.
I can't draw and I don't think any network would be interested in putting money into my idea and even if they did they wouldn't let it run long enough for the pay off or allow me to have drama/violence required
Tried a whole lot
I have been on three different projects that were never picked up and the pilots went nowhere. Spend a year or more on a pilot, complete it, and the studio pulls the plug on it and we lose everything. This last one, the third one, we were not even finished with it and we still had4 more months before completion date before the studio decided to kill it anyway for budgetary reasons.
Been happening since 2018. Warner Pilot, studio passes on it, get another gig on an Awesome Inc pilot and the studio passes on it. Get a gig on a Floyd County pilot, studio kills it 9 months into the project and I hardly have enough animated scenes to show for all my time.
I find animation tedious.
I do
https://youtube.com/@doodlebobanimations7727?si=VJaDPXOqrcEk5bVR
Because even if I make one and upload it to youtube I have no way of getting the message out there that it exists since I'm not a fanartists with a prior following and I'm not going to subject myself to being "that guy who tried to shill his shit on Cinemaphile" and give it an immediate bad name whenever it's mentioned.
Stop caring. Shill in threads where it's more appropriate. Like this one. Make the cartoon for yourself first and foremost.
>I'm not a fanartist
I know that doing fanart has always been a way to help stuff get boosted but fricking hell it feels like if you're doing OC stuff nowadays you're fricked ten ways to sunday even more than before.
you're thinking about marketing and you haven't even made the thing yet. Make the product first. Worry about figuring out how to sell it after.
I'm not worrying about marketing/selling it. I'm worried about getting literally anyone to know it exists to begin with so they can watch it on Youtube. It's quite literally that simple.
you're still worrying about what kind of gum you'll chew to keep your ears from popping before you learn to fly the plane.
Worrying about who is going to watch it seems ridiculous when you have nothing to watch. Make the thing first, worry about the rest when you need to. Most people give up before they finish animating like 10 real seconds.
To the cartoonist anon that is still pitching ideas, you'll make it you will get your TV show dw
We'll all make it
Gonna be the devil on the other side. He probably won't without knowing someone or being a celebrity with clout in some way shape or form.
you're talking about having a network. Everyone needs to do that, but you gain those connections by being active in your scene. If you go to events/workshops/meetups/screenings/and the other crap that is related to your field, you'll make connections with people you need to know.
>had a network of other creators in the industry for a few years since I started
>helped me out at the start via introducing me to other people that gave advice to improve my work
>now at a level where I'm trying to advance more
>My circle has either left comics/animation, got burnt out or they just spend every waking moment of their online presence b***hing about AI
This just hurts cause I liked alot of them but damn I feel I gotta restart my whole network all over again. It'll be harder now cause many of these contacts came from IRL meets at cons and meetup events. The meetup events have disappeared from my area due to Covid and alot of cons have stopped doing creator meets.
Only option is to start tabling again cause I tried my luck online and realize I do way better irl.
Zach once grabbed my little sister by the pigtails at a con and smashed her head into a red froth. How does this man not get canceled?
in a world rules by troons, baboons and israelites, i can guarantee any cartoon i make would not be socially acceptable
because i want to make a video game
i'd be down to write for comics but i'm not sure i'd be that great at it
i dont want what gooseworx got to be honest
Don't make an annoying waifubait character and 95% of that won't exist. Have an understanding of the shit Cinemaphile and twitter becomes autistic about in a female character (and males too) and avoid it. Don't even reference the idea in an offhanded way against the idea or they'll just run with it as an AU fanart thing.
I used to think the idea of a boy character with long hair people kept confusing for a girl was funny. I wanted that to be a recurring joke, but eventually I realized calling attention to any sort of gender confusion would make everyone absolutely fricking braindead about the character and it'd completely suffocate discussion around the character these days, so no fun allowed there. If you can't handle modern fandoms you have to spend a lot of time avoiding every little tick they have. You're definitely screwed if you want a cool male character that could potentially fall into the tumblr sexyman thing. It doesn't even matter the design, the personality of some charming sly male character is completely off the table. And god forbid you have any anthro characters, thankfully I already have an aversion to anything like that to begin with in my work so none of my ideas need to be shot in the foot over it.
>Don't make an annoying waifubait character and 95% of that won't exist.
not even what gooseworx did.
most of this comes about even if dont have cute artstyle, just look at pizza tower.
Because Disney would reject my pitch for a cartoon about three 11 year old girl superheroes who are lesbians and wear incredibly revealing outfits.