Out of all the superheros across all of media, why does it seem that Batman always has the best movies made from his mythos? Why can’t Captain America, Hulk, Wonder Woman, etc never seem to get good movies
made from their lore? What is it about Batman that makes it so easy to adapt his mythos into absolute kino?
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He's an incel.
>best movies
Superman is the best superhero movie. This is a fact. Batman is for gays.
>easy
Batman has had a lot of movies made and many of them have been stinkers. Pretty easy to have good films being made of the same character if people keep making movies about him.
I feel like everyone who says "Superman is the best superhero movie" is either a boomer or just parroting what boomers say.
Imagine how much Cinemaphile would ridicule the scene where Superman flies around the world really fast to reverse Earth's rotation in order to rewind time so that Louis Lane comes back from death, if the movie came out today lmao
>Imagine how much Cinemaphile would ridicule the scene where Superman flies around the world really fast to reverse Earth's rotation in order to rewind time so that Louis Lane comes back from death, if the movie came out today lmao
People made fun of that shit for decades to the point where that was the go-to joke whenever someone wanted to make fun of the character. That and the character calling himself a self-important name like "Superguy".
Yeah exactly, it's a dumb movie beloved by moronic boomers. Why do people today still pretend it's "the best?" Honestly even the sequel was better imo, although that one is just as laughable.
Gonna point my anus at your face and blast a stinker on you
It's literally because he's a human with human flaws and weaknesses. It's easier to relate to than being some overpowered super mutant capeshitter
>It's literally because he's a human with human flaws and weaknesses
Lmao you ever hear of Batwank?
Even that involves serious prep time with immense knowledge where he has to lay traps everywhere in a preferred area for him because he wouldn't stand a chance otherwise
>prep time
That's the thing, no prep time will ever stop Superman or Green Lantern from fricking up Batman's shit.
>prep time
lol lmao
>a gas mask is all you need to survive space
BatGOD doesn't need to explain shit
Isn't Darkside like super fast akin to Superman? Couldn't he dodge that? Is he sick or something? Genuinely asking
Darkseid is a literal god. Don't question it.
Its a quantum bullet that travels backward through time. True story.
So is Green Arrow but nobody cares about him
That's because Green Arrow is a liberal.
This was written by a Denny O'Neil, who would go on to become Batman's editor. Batman writers tend to be massive leftie cucks.
If Denny is such a lefty why did he make GA come off as such an obnoxious jackass?
He made him a obnoxious jackass who was always right while Green Lantern was his bumbling dork despite Hal Jordan being a blue collar Air Force pilot. Don't even get me started on the black skins issues where Hal Jordan suddenly remembers black people exist.
Nah it's literally green arrow's schtick. a rich dude who woke up to the plight of the common man.
because unlike marvel quippy shit batman is realistic and serious
>the bat-ape
Didn’t know they had a diversity spinoff
Gothic undertones. People in the last 50 years don't really realize how good the gothic aesthetic is, and how dominant it was in literature and early films from like 1890-1940 or so.
I thought gothic was like 13th century
Oh you meant gothic revival, not gothic. Should have been more specific.
he got the years wrong too, probably moronic
I wasn't the original gothic anon but remembered there was a revival in the 1800s, at least architecturally
He's obviously talking about the theme, not architecture (though that itself is also part of Batman). Literature like Frankenstein, the Bronte novels, Edgar Allen Poe, etc. and the related themes; horror, dramatic stories, darkness, etc.
>I thought gothic was like 13th century
Yuck yuck yuck. Reddit-tier comment, friendo.
Came here to post this. In capeshit nobody gives a shit about things like “human flaws” or other character traits. Aesthetics is king
>Aesthetics is king
Yup. You could replace Batman with any badass hero and it works.
That opening scene in the batman is as good as anything Nolan did
>no actual super-powers, just extreme intelligence and physical prowess and wealth
>mentally ill
>wholesome surrogate family pals
>gothic/noir setting
>best villlains
Oh and
>gadgets
and the best batsuit
For me, it's Booster Gold. The most kino superhero.
No good stories.
He is the ideal male self insert and above all the coolest superhero. Billionaire, awesome tech/gadgets, gets lots of women, pure edginess (literally me). By contrast Superman is the most overhyped hero, don’t buy any Supergays argument that he’s relatable and entitled to large box office returns. He’s a gary sue wagie reporter with a b***h coworker. As a kid you could wear a Batman costume and feel cool, wearing a Superman costume you’d feel goofy. I had these Batarangs that were the shit, there’s also that spiderman silly string. What cool Superman toys can you buy that isn’t a depressing action figure?
The only time Superman was seen as cool was in the very beginning, where he was the epitome of might makes right. Just a generic powerful as frick dude that felt society was fricked up and wanted to right perceived wrongs with his fist.
The moment DC whitewashed the character trying to make his some boyscout nonce was the moment everyone started to see him as boring and preachy.
>The moment DC whitewashed the character trying to make his some boyscout nonce was the moment everyone started to see him as boring and preachy.
This pretty much. The amount of scrutiny his live action counterpart is getting compared to other heroes is ridiculous and incredibly contradictory/hypocritical.
Superman needs a massive renaissance if he wants to return to relevancy. Animanga is destroying comics.
superman had the underoos, bruv
best villains.
Batman is around since forever.
Superhero shit, like every action oriented shit, is based on vigilantism, and vigilantism is a powerful power fantasy about you being able to right any wrong by punching or killing it very hard.
Batman is popular because it sells the idea that if you got the brains and the resources you can right any wrong and be seen as this scary and awesome dude that everyone respects and fear.
Same, say, with Spider-Man. Spider-Man is a very appealing power fantasy. It sells the idea that despite being an awkward and shy teenager, if you were bit by a spider or something, you'd be able to become hot and strong, letting you right any wrong and get all the b***hes. You go from loser to hero with a tiny mosquito bite.
Superman in comparison is less a power fantasy and more some moral lesson and rule of conduct in the form of a superhero. Basically it is all about a dude who's every nice, who's all about being the nicest guy he can be, and how everybody should be nice to one another, otherwise he will punch you. The punchy part is cool and all, but most people are fricking bored by all the niceness bit. They see it as gay.
I was reading the og Superman comics and he just unapologetically gets shit done. He’s become way too convoluted amongst his fans.
>Superman in comparison is less a power fantasy and more some moral lesson and rule of conduct in the form of a superhero. Basically it is all about a dude who's every nice, who's all about being the nicest guy he can be, and how everybody should be nice to one another, otherwise he will punch you. The punchy part is cool and all, but most people are fricking bored by all the niceness bit. They see it as gay.
This is why Man of Steel was the best thing to happen to Superman but WB squandered it. Now we'll have to deal with whacky, silly Gunn Superman for the foreseeable future.
Man of steel sucks. Going grimdark with superman will always lead to another nazi superman storyline and we already have a dozen of those being adapted at any given moment. When will WB wise up and adapt all star superman? Grant Morrison bridged the gap perfectly between preachy moralistic superman stories for kids and an inspirational contemplation about legacy and aspiring to the highest ideal for adult readers. The animated adaptation was mid
Because All-Star Superman fricking sucks.
You suck, b***h
>Superman in comparison is less a power fantasy and more some moral lesson and rule of conduct in the form of a superhero. Basically it is all about a dude who's every nice, who's all about being the nicest guy he can be, and how everybody should be nice to one another, otherwise he will punch you. The punchy part is cool and all, but most people are fricking bored by all the niceness bit. They see it as gay.
Actually Superman is more like the perfect immigrant story. A refugee from a doomed land who integrated into the local culture and became a productive member of society. It makes sense when you realise that Superman's creators, Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, were both children of israeli immigrants.
>Actually Superman is more like the perfect immigrant story. A refugee from a doomed land who integrated into the local culture and became a productive member of society. It makes sense when you realise that Superman's creators, Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, were both children of israeli immigrants.
Yeah, but nobody cares about any of that gay shit. This shit is not a power fantasy. Nobody wants to be the best immigrant or anything like that.
>The American Dream is not a power fantasy
The American Dream is about making it big and owning shit. Every poor homie dream about owning land, owning a b***h, owning other homies, and shit. It's all about giving it mine. Take every sport movie or bio movie. It is all about people that won shit. That's the power fantasy.
Nobody cares about being the perfect immigrant, being the perfect neighbor, being the perfect white-knight, or any of that shit. This is why Superman is seen as boring. Because the 50s TV show sold Superman as a boyscout, a moral parable to teach kids how to behave well. That ended up influencing the comics and the rest is history. Now Superman is seen as a preachy and boring superhero.
The American Dream is about leaving your shitty homeland in hopes of a better life. Which Superman embodies. The reason why people think he's boring is because edgy morons like you think dressing in all black and whining about your dead parents is cool.
Better life being you get to own shit you previously couldn't. Like a house, a woman, a car, and so on. It's not about your being the best neighbor in the neighborhood like a living Ned Flanders.
Superman doesn't sell the cool side of the American Dream, which is you being able to own shit. Superman sells the preachy side of the American Dream, which is you being nice to your fellow neighbor and living in harmony. Nobody cares about the latter.
I am not even being edgy, just realistic.
That doesn't explain the popularity of Captain America who is at least as preachy and morally infallible.
C'mon, man.
Captain America appeal is that you got the right drugs you'd go from a weakling nobody into a strong as frick LEADER who gets to beat up bad people and unironic nazis. It's the same appealing concept that attracts people to characters like Spider-Man.
Yeah, sure. Captain America can great preachy sometimes but he's still a SOLDIER and a LEADER, who gets to blow shit up and step on nazis' necks.
That's very different from Superman who was turned into some weird cross between Jesus and Santa Claus.
Theres a lot of superman's backlog that has more in common with the funny pages than any genre of cinema. And some shit that could conceivably be interpreted as gay coded. Lots of "I have to stop lois lane before she finds out I'm gay... I mean superman!"
Yeah. Superman comic books changed a lot over the decades in its eternal attempt to remain profitable. Throughout the 50s it essentially became a gag comic where Superman essentially was some guy who'd have to run from marriage because woman sucks or be an butthole to an annoying kid that was pissing him off.
Those stories will never make into a good movie, at beast an entertaining TV show like the 90s Superman and Lois show which had a lot of episodes reminiscent of those comics.
Gotham is an interesting setting with actual personality, and his villains also have actual personalities. I can't tell you jackshit about any of Spider-Man's rogues but I could write you a short essay on any Batman rogues. Sure I'm a little biased in how much media of each I've consumed, but the point is Batman's villains mostly don't have powers so their psychology truly shines. Each one has such distinct beliefs and disorders that it makes them fascinating to spend time with.
>but the point is Batman's villains mostly don't have powers so their psychology truly shines. Each one has such distinct beliefs and disorders that it makes them fascinating to spend time with.
People say this but it only makes sense with Two Face, the rest of Batman's foes are criminal freaks.
Joker has autism
Penguin, Freeze, Hush, Riddler?
>Penguin
homie is ugly.
>Freeze
MUH WIFE
>Hush
Created so Jim Lee could make money off morons
>Riddler?
Really?
No way. Scarface and the ventriloquist are depicted with much more nuanced psychology than two face, at least in the animated series.
It's basically just a detective/film noir /psycholohical thriller.. I could / all day. Batman is easily adapted to cinema.
>It's basically just a detective/film noir /psycholohical thriller..
It's a man in a bat costume who drives around in a bat themed car and fights colorful bad guys.
You can trivialize anything with that attitude
>You can trivialize anything with that attitude
homie, you're reading silly kid comics at the end of the day.
They did that in the 60s and it was amazing too.
There's a documentary about the production of the animated series and a scene where they're discussing the joker. Paul dini goes on for like five minutes about how their conflict represents this eternal struggle of order and chaos, then it cuts to bruce timm who says " I never understood why he fights the joker. Its not like theres a history of violence between bats and clowns". I always think of that when people argue over the realism of batman.
Batman's fight against injustice is a lot more bleak than everyone else's. His villains are all monsters that wear you down psychologically while for other superheroes they might have one or two. Gotham is a huge shithole compared to where every other superhero operates in. Batman for the most part only has martial arts and some gadgets to rely on. It's not like only Batman struggles as a hero but Superman and Spider-man definitely have fun flying around or swinging around while for Batman it's mostly a miserable time.
Batman and Superman are kino as a team and I want to see that adapted well. Until then they can frick off.
I'd probably be easier to make a Lex Luthor movie honestly.
More of this energy. The whole movie is Lex seething over Superman and trying to best him.
A Lex Luthor movie would feel too much like a Jeff Bezos biopic.
It's more grounded and the old cartoon was very good. I never liked the idea of crossovers. Batman universe is too good for other super heroes.
>why does it seem that Batman always has the best movies made from his mythos?
He's a more intense, serious character and the subject matter lends itself to better material. Certain filmmakers are attracted to individual pathos and moral ambiguity. The characters around Batman usually reflect a key personality flaw, or invoke a certain theme or discourse.The city of Gotham also takes on a personality of its own and creates a unique backdrop to the aestheticised violence.
Let's also acknowledge there is a subconsciously sexual aspect of Batman's character which was studied by child psychologists in the 60s. People can laugh at how conservative and fuddy duddy the criticisms were, but imo it's correct. Many women say their first sexual awakening was Batman, and many gay people identify with Bruce Wayne's lifestyle of having a gay butler and a bunch Robins around. This usually would be irrelevant but the whole thing with Batman is exploiting taboos. He's rigid and repressed, like a lot of people are with their desires.
>Why can’t Captain America, Hulk, Wonder Woman, etc never seem to get good movies
Well, the obvious reason is that Disney and Warner Bros. are run by people who only care about the bottom line and need to keep pumping out these movies, they really don't care about uncovering "the core of a character", it's instead a vehicle to promote new movies in the pipeline. A Hulk movie done as a body horror, psychological thriller that gets into Bruce Banner's trauma could be incredibly kino, but when you have an assembly line production, you have to make the characters as cookie cutter and generic as possible.