Why is Brad Pitt's character in Moneyball celebrated as the hero? He doesn't do anything, Jonah Hill does all the work.
Why is Brad Pitt's character in Moneyball celebrated as the hero?
Why is Brad Pitt's character in Moneyball celebrated as the hero? He doesn't do anything, Jonah Hill does all the work.
He was smart enough to employ the right person to do the job he took all the credit for, which is every middle-managers wet dream.
>He was smart enough to employ the right person to do the job he took all the credit for
American moment
Unironically true.
This movie was extremely forgettable. Things happened and eventually it ended.
i don't feel that way at all
it's the best sports movie in decades.
There are barely any sports movies in the first place. What's the best sports movie of the previous decades?
draft day.
Draft Day is moronic
probably something like remember the titans, but I liked the replacements with keanu reeves. the major league movies, mr. baseball, there were some decent ring fighting movies I guess. the one with batman and marky mark.
there are shitloads of good sports documentaries that mog these films
Warrior, The Wrestler, Rush, The Fighter in the last couple decades. Moneyball is arguably the best baseball movie, I put it up there with The Natural. Better than Bull Durham, Major League, Eight Men Out etc.
The Battered Bastards of Baseball is a great baseball documentary.
isn't there also a ken burns documentary on baseball?
Yeah it's really good. It's a full on miniseries.
Goon
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This was the best thing to happen to sports in 1992 unlike that tragedy
there are barely any sports in this movie
>he thinks sports only happens when you can see the ball
where's the fricking puck
Only the parts about Brad's ugly family and ex wife. Couldn't give less of a shit about them. I skip it every time. I cared more about Chris Pratt's family and they were only on screen for 3 minutes.
Wat
Movie has basic plot structure therefore it forgettable?
I enjoyed it and I don't give a shit about baseball irl
He listened. And that's what no one else did
unironically bravo sorkin
and that's why Jonah Hill didn't shoot up a school
i fricking hate you
jonah was a weak nerd that needed brads character to stand up for him and execute his theory
Why does Jonah get so upset about people mentioning his surname? I don't get it.
Frick off Ivan leave. Blue board.
That's how society works. The hero isn't the one doing the tasks it's the one who's able to get the right people doing the right work to create successes far greater than any one person could ever achieve. No one remembers the individual soldier who killed 20 men in the battle they remember the commander that orchestrated the victory
Oh yeah? I remember Alfredo Gonzales smoked at least 10 goods during hue, grenading at least 2 bunkers and MLAW'ing at least 4 zipperheads
Checkmate gay
Tons of number crunchers out there. Beane was the one that put their statistical theories into practice.
Yeah Jonah's character was an amalgamation of several assistant scouts. Mostly Peter Depodesta but Billy filtered ideas from a whole team.
There's a whole scene where it's explained that having the right players isn't enough, you need teamwork
he listened to jonah hill when nobody else would
That movie was such ass. It takes place just after 911 and that event is never mentioned once.
its doesnt take place in New York why would 9/11 be mentioned? it doesnt serve the plot at all and has no relevance
here in America it touched all of our lives
if it was a movie about the mets/yankees managers maybe but no. I know how kino mike Piazza hitting that homerun and Bush throwing the yankees opening pitch were. but that was all the year before the events of the movie
that final game with Pratt hitting the homerun to save the day after all that buildup about him being scared of the ball was possibly the best moment in a sports movie I've ever seen. then they have that gay ass shit with his daughter sending him a song christ
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>every other team copies his technique next season
He achieved nothing
The point was to draft talent just for their pure performance rather than the absurd gossipy nonsense they were doing before.
Teams still have their most prized tactics locked up in secret. And it would take several years for some to even adopt advanced analytics, while some teams have still not fully embraced it.
And also recognizing talent in ways that weren't appreciated before, with the most notable being the abandonment of batting average for on-base percentage.
Moneyball becomes a tragedy when you realize they never talked about Barry Zito and Tejada both being insanely good. Its just the optics of how the Athletics managed to win games with such a shit payroll. Now they're going to Vegas.
Also Billy Beane was a massive bust.
Ownership is so maliciously cheap and alienating that there's a chance they botch the move. The stadium rendering presentation they were supposed to have a month ago was quietly shelved with near complete silence ever since. They might still be scrambling for the over $1 billion in private funding that they're supposed to be putting up (that's only second to the new Yankee Stadium in terms of private contributions). The scant details of their funding plan include hoping to get a loan from Goldman Sachs (higher interest than other institutions which means that they've already been brushed off by others as a high risk venture) and this little nugget. Trying to sell equity based on valuation for a move that hasn't happened yet as well as completely unknown future revenues since they have literally no idea where they will play 2025 onwards, long before this mystery stadium is supposed to open in 2028. Leaving the Bay Area forfeits their rather nice TV deal.
The Mets are paying an extra 100M in their luxury taxes alone. frick these owners.
>b-b-but the Mets...!
Obsessed
Anon i'm a Mets fan using them as an example. Their luxury tax is more than some team's entire payrolls.
Ah sorry then, surely you understand the kneejerk reaction from the constant stream of LOLMETS.
I still think baseball is better when you have all the NY and LA teams going well. Yes i'll be that much of a homosexual but the sport needs those heel teams badly.
Not a real movie but this was the last really good 30 for 30, especially having crackhead dykstra along.
This poster goes hard. I miss when movie posters were painted by artists.
is there a way i can watch this without espn subscription?
The character was fricking stupid
>every scout tells him that Jeremy Giambi is a problem in the lockerroom
>Billy Beane says" Herr derr but he gets on base"
>during the season Jeremy is a problem in the locker room
>Beane trades him because of this
Sounds like the scouts were right, he just didn't want to admit it.
i think it fits because a player being a locker room problem doesnt fit into the moneyball equation so he would downplay it being a problem.
>i think it fits because a player being a locker room problem doesnt fit into the moneyball equation so he would downplay it being a problem.
No. The scouts kept telling Billy that Jeremy was a locker room cancer. But Billy was all "her gets on base, Bill James math sees through all those flaw" but then Billy saw how much of a cancer he was and got rid of him. The old scouts were right.
and you'd be surprised how many analytic nerds do this in sports.
the fact is you need both. data shows hard truth, but sometimes you need the guy with a good face and a hot gf to lead the team, numbers be damned.
Giambi also died a few years later
all of human history is just worthless shitheads taking credit for things other men did
draft day was better
Jonah doesn't get to do any work if Pitt doesn't believe in him
other than sign stealing, did the astros do much more than moneyball stuff?
some tv show made it seem like they made the gm guy not even a baseball guy, just a stat guy
Astros just scout a ton in the indian ocean (PR, DR, Cuba, etc), and just develop there. They just know how to reap the benefits of smaller nations
all teams are moneyball teams now. all sports teams period. for instance in the nba they now only take shots that are right by the basket or from 3 points. everything has been optimized. refinement culture.
because jonah hill isnt real. hes a figment of brads mind
I would love to see a Fight Club ending where Brad Pitt realizes he's been Jonah Hill the whole time. Then "Where's My Mind" plays and the Coliseum is demolished.
Irl they just got lucky that they had 2 world class pitchers in their farm system. Barry Zito and I forget that other guy's name but they were like cy young calibur pitchers.
Mark Mulder.
wait that was batting average
here were their starters.
Because the audience doesn't need to know that or tejada winning ALMVP. It's part of the reason why this film works.
yeah true
the had 3, tim hudson, barry zito, mark mulder. movie doesn't even mention them but they all had insane years that year and were the actual reason they did so well
Is it a valid criticism for wanting to see more baseball in this movie? They didn’t show much. I think this movie could’ve easily been 2.5 hours without dragging.
wrong, the "old, out of touch" scouts who drafted Hudson, Mulder and Zito did all the work. None of those ace pitchers are mentioned once in the movie and they were like 75 percent of the A's success.
Movie did Art Howe wrong as well. Was a good manager the players respected and had success before Moneyball arrived. A's won 103 games in 2002 with Howe and have never won that many since.
Something that also always saddened me is how the Athletics just always shot themselves. 2014 is a great example.
The largest contract in team history was made in 2004. The current full owner first became a partner in 2005. To say he abhors success and the fans would be a gross understatement. His idea of an offer to Marcus Semien was a one year deal for less than what he was making prior, deferred heavily over a decade.
I could go on with a long list of other shit he's pulled to drive everyone away, but seeing people blame Oakland for attendance and the relocation debacle drives me nuts. They don't care about the game and just want to score some cheap culture war points as if moving to Sodom & Gomorrah is supposed to be a triumph over wokism. John Fisher is so israeli that even Mark Davis hates his guts, blames him for why the Raiders moved, and wants nothing to do with his old neighbor if they follow his coattails.
Because he's more handsome. He's very dreamy.. :3
he gets on base