>can only like a character if you self insert as him
I liked him because for a long time he was the only of one of his species and just wanted to do the right thing
Is him being human all that important though? There are plenty of humanoid characters, he isn’t bothered by it (probably isn’t even aware he’s the last of his kind, well ice king is human too.. ish, plus later characters like Martin if you want to be pedantic).
The gist isn't the human bit, but that the kid was the only one of his kind and could only connect in any meaningful ways with very few people. >his adoptive parents were intelligent dogs that died of old age when he was barely 12 >his brother while loving him doesn't always have the best advice for him >most of the humanoid residents are at best acquaintances and the other ones are few like PB or Marceline >most candy people are moronic and can barely hold a conversation >the giants like Billy are few and don't interact much with Finn
The child lived a life where the main people he interacted with were few and not enough or in any meaningful way for him to develop. It could be said that Finn even being a good being and a semi well put together person is a miracle when the most contact he had in his very early developing faze was PB putting him to save her kingdom or Ice king battling with him.
Nice analysis and all but what does it have to do with my comment. Nothing I said is contrary to any of the info you posted. Finn’s humaness plays little part in his psyche, sure it makes him irresistible to most princesses he comes across but he barely acknowledges this. The story as a whole barely changes (until Martin appears at least) if you make Finn a regular Ooo mutant.
This, if you're going to imagine being in a fictional universe and fricking your waifu you might as well go all the way with it to the point it's literally you
Tbf you can say that about almost anyone later into the show, for example marcy became nothing but >muh PB/Simon/Hudson and had minimal fun interactions with Finn and Jake
>had minimal fun interactions with Finn
You know why(pic related), any substantial interaction could have made the shitty lesbian subplot look worse than it already was.
Adventure Timegays only care about shipping
If it wasn't such a big part of the show people would care less. At least the hacks let Jake stay in relatively healthy, monogamous relationship. Also, I can't belive that I'm writing that, Tree Trunks and mr.cuck had more consistently and just better written relationship than any of Finn's, with FP included.
Even ignoring her relationship the show made a gag out of her being a cold and calculating monarch. But then when the show started taking it seriously it just kind of kept that aspect of her and just expected you to be cool with it I guess.
The writers changed, and some of them (women) really wanted to turn Bubblegum into some strong, confident, heroic, always right feminist icon action girl and true MC. So her crimes were ignored by simple act of hand-waving.
Why isn’t huntress wizard first? Literally the only one he actually would work long time with
A background character that had like 2.5 episodes dedicated to her.
Who's Marceline?
...
Oh yeah, the vamp chick. Wow, she really stopped interacting with Finn after a while.
She stopped being a character in general and was turned into bubblegum's irrelevant plus one gaybait.
Fujos are based. Also I’m convinced 90% of Cinemaphile are smelly femoids anyway. You all most post in a feminine way. No way there are men out there that care about Steven universe or owl house or hazbin hotel. One of you be my gf please
10 months ago
Anonymous
This board reeks of all natural estrogen. Its especially obvious in the paw patrol or unicorn eternal warriors thread
10 months ago
Anonymous
To be fair it does make it one of the more pleasant boards, less trolling and /misc/esque “it’s cool to hate everything” attitudes. However it becomes less cool when you realise the only female that could ever find herself here is heavily obese and probably bipolar. Also they have shit taste, steven universe fricking sucks, at least stan gravity falls or something like that
10 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, do you really think that any women browsing this taiwanese paper-mache imageboard is worthy of being gf material?
They are all a bunch of autists just like us
No impossible, Cinemaphile women are hot and cool
10 months ago
Anonymous
Well randy was hot, and most of the other attention prostitutes. Though whether you really count them as anons or just generic attention simp seekers is debatable. Sure you can go to /bant/ or /sod/ and see some hot girls (mostly just dick rate threads though) but they’re just looking for attention most of the time. I can only wish that all femcels looked and acted liked tomoko. All the genuine (diagnosed) female autists I’ve known have basically been normalgays though, and even those that were super weird still got boyfriends super easily. Women are a meme
10 months ago
Anonymous
>To be fair it does make it one of the more pleasant boards, less
No it does not. This place is plenty /misc/esque.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You do realize that Hate watchers exist right? I only watch half the cartoons I do so that I can discuss them here, even if they are shit.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Most hate watchers are women
10 months ago
Anonymous
More like most on this board are women
10 months ago
Anonymous
biological or otherwise? Ive crossed paths with more gays on Cinemaphile than women
10 months ago
Anonymous
Biological, even trannies are that obsessed with shipping, shipping and relationship drama in general are the women's equivalent of porn for men
10 months ago
Anonymous
bizarre, I'll never understand them
10 months ago
Anonymous
Bro, do you really think that any women browsing this taiwanese paper-mache imageboard is worthy of being gf material?
They are all a bunch of autists just like us
10 months ago
Anonymous
Do you really think I could ever get a gf that isn’t an equally huge autist to me? As long as she’s not fat or otherwise hideous I’m ok. If anything an autist gf is far preferable, even if some normalgay girl did like me I’d barely be able to talk to her. I’d rather talk to some stinky fujo about her gay haikyuu ship than listen to some normalgay b***hing about how becky didn’t compliment her on her dress
10 months ago
Anonymous
They're either fat, don't wash, or are obsessively attractive and you would be too intimidated to ask them out
10 months ago
Anonymous
Autist women won't want you just because you also like cartoons. They're drawn to powerful personalities like moths to a flame, you can't have a weak and innefectual aura and get a woman
10 months ago
Anonymous
I’d say I have a pretty powerful personality though, although your reply is rather later and Inappropriate. We’re talking about bandit princess now. That said I’m more a >say what the frick I want and openly do weird shit without a care in the world
Type autist than a >can’t look anyone in the eye and wet myself at the thought of interacting with a girl
I had plenty of friends in school (..to begin with anyway, I lost them one by one when they began to grow up and I never matured in the slightest, still haven’t) I’m not particularly likeable perhaps but my personality is at the very least “powerful”. Hell I was briefly in the popular clique, mostly for how good I was at basketball
10 months ago
Anonymous
I watch cartoons so when I draw porn of it is in character.
Not since William S Burroughs has there been such a junkie-minded writer, this Pendleton Ward. The content can be good and the perspective is interesting, but no, God isn’t actually smoking crack and getting burned out to a point of suicide just because your addicted ass is. There are forces besides depressed gamers in denial in the world
Adventure Time is about scars, history having the deepest, and most mysterious of them. its like in Mad Max Fury Road, when that broad tells Chrome Boy that it was their Manifest Destiny to meet. a nihilism born out of something even as beautiful as a burgeoning love. it is quite a depressing state of affairs. Pendleton is a bit of a gay tho.
Adventure Time is about scars, history having the deepest, and most mysterious of them. its like in Mad Max Fury Road, when that broad tells Chrome Boy that it was their Manifest Destiny to meet. a nihilism born out of something even as beautiful as a burgeoning love. it is quite a depressing state of affairs. Pendleton is a bit of a gay tho.
He was still around until somewhere in season 5. Shit, he was still boarding episodes in season 3 like Dad's Dungeon aka the best adventure episode in the series
He actually left the studio, or rather degraded himself or was degraded to be a distant consultant right after stakes. Yes, after season 5a he stopped being a showrunner but was still developing the show, mainly the movie that was cancelled.
Finn's crush on PB has been blatant and obvious since the pilot, and got increasingly more obvious with each new season. Meanwhile Finn never had any crush on Marcy he just blushed when she teasingly kissed him and stuff. His big revelation in Go With Me is that Marceline is the best person to take on a date to the movies because she's already his bro and if he got to take any (and PB is unavailable) then it's gotta be her.
But not any indication in any of that that Finn actually has a crush on Marcy. I say this as someone who also likes Finnceline, in the show itself it never had a chance.
The whole reason of why Marcy started as an important character was because she was supposed to be someone special and important in Finn's life just like PB and even Susan who according to interviews from pic related was planned to be Finn's sister. If Marcy were there to be just another friend she'd be treated like any other random princess or even lsp, yet she wasn't. Yeah, everyone could see that she was turned into Finn's random acquaintance, a FOAF even but that happened unnaturally and abruptly after first half of the show. >the show itself it never had a chance
It stopped having a chance at the same time as real romance with PB, when someone important from production team finally decided that age gap with a 13 year old is bad for business and too controversial. And then, later on lesbians out of an ass solidified that. Because no, PB wasn't supposed to just lead Finn on either. It was all deliberately ambiguous and open for interpretation, even relationship with HW ended up being like that.
I think in the original concept/pitch Marcy and PB to Finn were supposed to be like Veronica and Betty were to Archie, two friendly rival love interests. But this concept never carried over to the actual show, it was ditched before then. Only PB was a romantic interest (one sided however) and PB and Marcy had very little interaction at all until the episode that gave them their newer dynamic for the show.
>I think in the original concept/pitch Marcy and PB to Finn were supposed to be like Veronica and Betty were to Archie,
Yes you are correct, even though their personalities were never really like Archie's Betty or Veronica. Even early Bubblegum wasn't much of a goody two shoes, or a tomboy at all and early Marcy had more in common with someone like Haruhara, just less chaotic, friendlier and less alien. And the pitch itself was created after the pilot. >never carried over to the actual show
It did, just briefly and it wasn't really explored, but was shown in Go with me and WWM, after that episode PB and Marcy were supposed to get on friendlier terms again (btw. Finn's song from that episode was way more important than Marceline's one), but neither of them had many significant appearances in season 3 (Marceline neither in 4) and not counting Bad little boy, the fanfiction one that feels like some old leftover idea because love triangle dynamic still kinda exists in Marceline's head for some reason, they didn't even interact until Sky witch. Said episode turned the whole concept on its head and started teasing eternal lesbians. Subtly at the very beginning and later unabashedly obnoxiously. Yet their relationship was still ambiguous enough that any love could have been denied by creators at any time if they'd want to weasel out. Many anons were so in denial, even after Stakes that they chose to believe that PB and Marceline are simply being potrayed as two 'very close friends'.
Yeah people like to claim WWM was the Bubbline catalyst but really I think it was Sky Witch where it really took off. WWM was still mostly a Finn episode and yeah his song was the highlight of the episode. In Sky Witch you directly focused on Marcy and PB together as a duo and you have little details like PB sniffing the shirt Marcy gave her while she has a pic of Marcy taped up in view.
Although that said after Sky Witch they didn't really have any significant interactions until Varmints in season seven followed closely by Stakes, and then nothing much until their moment in the finale.
10 months ago
Anonymous
How was Skywitch the start, when What Was Missing introduced the idea that PB and Marcy were exes that still didn't really get over each other
10 months ago
Anonymous
What was missing put it up as an idea, basically a bit of potential backstory. It was made to be a bit vague so people could interpret it as them being ex girlfriends or ex regular friends (although with Marcy's song for most people it felt like it was leaning towards romantic). But that's all it was, backstory for them. No promise that they'd get back together, as we've seen with Finn x Flame Princess sometimes when characters break up they don't get back together, and at WWM that could have also been the case with PB x Marcy. It was Sky Witch where the two first got their own episode together, revisiting the idea of them being ex-somethings and establishing more of how their relationship works together. It was after this episode I feel where they actually started considering paring them up again, as the next time the two got focus we got Varmints + Stakes which is probably the peak of Bubbline content in the show. Then of course as we know they decided to pair the two together in the finale so people would pay more attention to it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, even in Sky Witch the shirt sniffing bit was really the only tease at a romantic connection, the rest is pretty much platonic. It was only in Varmints where you started getting the vibe "oh, I think these two are supposed to have a thing for each other?"
One of the biggest problems about their relationship is that the writers danced around it really all the way up until the finale. It's unclear whether that was done for plausible deniability because they weren't sure if they could get away with showing homosexuality at the time, or whether they were simply indecisive about it (which is totally believable) or some combination of the two. In the end, Bubbline has no arc, it serves no purpose for either character, it's just there as a wink to the fans. I think, at the very least, it could have been done better
How was Skywitch the start, when What Was Missing introduced the idea that PB and Marcy were exes that still didn't really get over each other
Because there's nothing in What Was Missing to imply that the two had dated, just that they were friends and fell out. Interviews with Olivia Olson confirm that this is how at least some of the people working on the show thought of it at the time
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Because there's nothing in What Was Missing to imply that the two had dated
yes....there was. It was pretty obvious that they were more than just friends. The Bubbline shipping was started by that one one episode
10 months ago
Anonymous
A lot of character problems, most notoriously those that plagued Bubblegum and Marceline, were just the direct result of indecisiveness. Not having a clear direction for what the showrunners wanted out of the characters lead to those working on individual episodes not having consistent ideas amongst each other, which in turn essentially caused a starvation of content covering the more interesting characters and dynamics. I'd probably trade about a third of the episodes that covered incidental characters for those that either incorporated more of or even revolved around the main cast, even though there's plenty of episodes featuring one-off characters that I otherwise really like.
Could Bubbline have worked? Maybe, but that's a decision that had to be made relatively early on. Spending the entire show being afraid of picking a direction and sticking with it is how we got what we got, various character and plot resolutions that don't feel earned since there was never any real commitment to building up to any of it. I'd even argue the more egregious examples of lack of setup from lack of commitment leading to a lack of satisfying resolutions would be shit like PB's aforementioned moral dubiousness, Betty, or Finn's arm. Marcy and Bonnie's whole deal is simply a symptom of that larger issue.
Even ignoring her relationship the show made a gag out of her being a cold and calculating monarch. But then when the show started taking it seriously it just kind of kept that aspect of her and just expected you to be cool with it I guess.
I assume Goliad, the sphinx that PB made out of her DNA in season 4 in order to be her successor if she ever died but ended up becoming an evil tyrant.
>had minimal fun interactions with Finn
You know why(pic related), any substantial interaction could have made the shitty lesbian subplot look worse than it already was.
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If it wasn't such a big part of the show people would care less. At least the hacks let Jake stay in relatively healthy, monogamous relationship. Also, I can't belive that I'm writing that, Tree Trunks and mr.cuck had more consistently and just better written relationship than any of Finn's, with FP included.
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The writers changed, and some of them (women) really wanted to turn Bubblegum into some strong, confident, heroic, always right feminist icon action girl and true MC. So her crimes were ignored by simple act of hand-waving.
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A background character that had like 2.5 episodes dedicated to her.
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She stopped being a character in general and was turned into bubblegum's irrelevant plus one gaybait.
Huntress Wizard has the least screentime, only appearing as a love interest for Finn in the last few seasons and only having 2 and a half episodes about their relationship. So it makes sense that she'd have a pretty low number of fanfics over the years, she has a lot more catching up to do.
This is for ao3
This however is pretty surprising, I guess this is where most of the HW x Finn shippers have decided to do their catching up.
I've read a lot of AT fanfics (they're all so shit but like one in 40 is passable and one in 200 is good) and I feel like PB never inspired people with Finn the way other girls did, even if HW only has that small amount (which is surprising) there's several fics with her that are very good. The best Finn/PB one I've ever found just has them be platonic.
I don't know if it's just because when the ship was possible and had a chance of actually happening people thought it was too boring (generic hero and princess pair), then later on when Bubblegum's character changed the ship had no chance of working or happening, meanwhile Bubbline was always much more popular for PB than anyone else. What Was Missing premiered only like a year and a half into the show's run so Finn/PB had relatively little time to make any strong foothold.
I do think Finn/PB is the least good Finn ship but all of them are bad in their own way. HW barely exists, Marceline became boring as frick, FP was always pretty boring and then after the breakup they managed to make her ultra boringer. Despite being Hitler PB is probably the most interesting significant female character in the show, but not really in a way that makes her happy Finnfap material.
HW>Marceline>[...]>Bubblegum in terms of Finn ships, also basically how it goes with the best fanfics too
I think I agree, although even from the start with PB before she became so explicitly evil I was never a super big fan of that ship. PB always felt too condescending towards Finn, outside of the episode where she herself was a kid she was generally more of an older sister character with Finn being stupid for trying to get with her. Even Marcy was the better older girl option and they didn't have any actual romance between them in the show.
I like Finn, but i don't think there's anyone on the list of potential love interests that could have a long lasting relationship because their personal interests and Finn's life of adventure wouldn't really mix very well >FP is a princes and after her father was overthrown she had to take over >HW only cares about hunting and protecting her forest >PB isn't even interested in him >Marceline is the only one that could keep up with Finn and his adventures but she would probably get bored soon
HW coming at the end of the series and not getting enough episodes with her as a prominent character really did her dirty in my opinion. Personally, I could see her being with Finn as the equivalent of Canyon with Billy. Both HW and Canyon are tied to nature, Canyon with her spring/water and HW with the forest, both of them live active adventurous lives already and have their own casual wisdom to them. Although hopefully unlike Billy Finn wouldn't give up and become a NEET in a cave so HW wouldn't get bored and dump him. Regardless, HW definitely needed more screen time to really sell her as a love interest for Finn but I do think she has potential.
Yeah, I drew it. I had a dream recently where I saw a new AT special or episode where Finn had a daughter, and she looked like that and was running around the grasslands climbing on trees. I don't remember them saying who the mother was in the dream but judging from the design I assume it was HW.
Funnily enough the dream actually consisted of me seeing a discussion on this board with someone whining about how Finn never got together with someone and had a family, which lead to me "remembering" the special where he actually did have a daughter which of course was just another construct of the dream. So maybe I'm spending too much time here if I am seeing Finn shiphomosexualry in my dreams. But at least it gave me a cute design to draw.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>dreaming about Cinemaphile shitposting
oh my god it's even worse you're doomed
10 months ago
Anonymous
I had a dream about all my former friends (none of which I’ve retained, nor have I made any subsequent ones) gathering around me and laughing. Codeine isn’t cutting it anymore lads, how do I convince my doctor to give me something stronger?
Funnily enough the dream actually consisted of me seeing a discussion on this board with someone whining about how Finn never got together with someone and had a family, which lead to me "remembering" the special where he actually did have a daughter which of course was just another construct of the dream. So maybe I'm spending too much time here if I am seeing Finn shiphomosexualry in my dreams. But at least it gave me a cute design to draw.
At least she was just a pillow, even I have one of those.. two even. Goose feather and everything
As a love interest, she was introduced last, older characters like Marceline or FP have had many years to get stories about them before HW was relevant, it's honestly pretty impressive she even has that much, I wonder if she'll end up overtaking Bubblegum in the future.
Bubs is hot but her + finn was never going to be a thing. Shippers are delusional. Finn is built for qt bandit princess or canyon. Even barbar is a more convincing ship than bonnibel
Is the straightness the problem though? Treetrunks and mr pig have everything bend over backwards for them. And jake/rainicorn have no opposition either. I think they just hate finn, or maybe think him settling down would mean he does less adventuring or something.
If you want to see Finn get buttfricked your options for cute boys are dangerously limited.
People ship him with Tiffany of all people, or just make OCs like with that catboyfriend thing. So if you aren't weird enough for grass gay incest a lot of the time people just bring Marshall and Gumball.
a big thing about AT is that Finn is the only prominent young, handsome boy in Ooo. Most other guys are either dorky weirdos or weird dorks or some strange creature thing. Finn is swooned on by all the random princesses because he's the only decent guy left in Ooo apparently, and he's a kid for most of the show.
Very funny that this images I posted on a whim has spawned a new thread. Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
As a side note, here's the data for both charts.
PB was always the hardest to write romance for with Finn, especially in comparison to her direct competition. Ironic that, according to the follow up numbers from at least, she only recently gained popularity, as I suspect the stories in AO3 are generally newer than those in FF. Her numbers now are way higher than they ever were before, akin to HW. Maybe Makima had something to do with that.
A shame, too. I honestly see a lot of potential in the pairing, with a lot of moments of them being supportive of each other in their lowest points, something that the others would have trouble doing. I can't help but think that I mainly prefer her as a somewhat different character to canon (dipping far more into her earlier depiction and either dropping or fully addressing her control freak demeanor and antisocial tendencies), and that I ship that made up version with Finn. But considering how she was overall mishandled as a character, I don't think that's a bad thing. That may misconstrue why I even like her, however.
Honestly I bet there's little focus for actually finding stuff that has PB/Finn and these numbers are strongly bolstered by stories that are Bubbline centric but Finn is also involved. Suppose that would count the same for Marceline stories too.
Its hard to justify with the direction of the later seasons, but there is some point where the logical thing would be for PBs "mask slip" being letting finn in emotionally and relying on him as a man instead of boy adventurer. Could still even do the stronk woman leader and 3deep geopolitical nonsense and make it more difficult for Finn as the viewer insert to square because of the intimate connection to PB as she starts to do morally questionable things for the right reasons. Everything is lesbians and the finn hate by the second halfs writers nuked any enthusiasm to even try and figure out from what point the series could be salvaged by fanworks.
>Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
Anon please, this is Cinemaphilemblr, this board is 70% filled by shipper obsessed women with the rest being a bunch of /misc/gays and shitposters, obviously they will care about their fav ships
I watched AT as a kid translated to arabic and from the start Bubblegum appeared villainous. Although maybe that had something to with the first episodes I watched being the one where the cookie holds up a petrol station and Bubblegum surrounds it and sends finn and jake in and jake sympathizes with the cookie, while the second being one that had a corn soldier making anti bubblegum graffiti and then explaining to finn that bubblegum killed the gumball guards and imprisoned her brother. So that probably soured her for me
I've read a lot of AT fanfics (they're all so shit but like one in 40 is passable and one in 200 is good) and I feel like PB never inspired people with Finn the way other girls did, even if HW only has that small amount (which is surprising) there's several fics with her that are very good. The best Finn/PB one I've ever found just has them be platonic.
I don't know if it's just because when the ship was possible and had a chance of actually happening people thought it was too boring (generic hero and princess pair), then later on when Bubblegum's character changed the ship had no chance of working or happening, meanwhile Bubbline was always much more popular for PB than anyone else. What Was Missing premiered only like a year and a half into the show's run so Finn/PB had relatively little time to make any strong foothold.
I do think Finn/PB is the least good Finn ship but all of them are bad in their own way. HW barely exists, Marceline became boring as frick, FP was always pretty boring and then after the breakup they managed to make her ultra boringer. Despite being Hitler PB is probably the most interesting significant female character in the show, but not really in a way that makes her happy Finnfap material.
HW>Marceline>
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>Bubblegum in terms of Finn ships, also basically how it goes with the best fanfics too
I like Finn, but i don't think there's anyone on the list of potential love interests that could have a long lasting relationship because their personal interests and Finn's life of adventure wouldn't really mix very well >FP is a princes and after her father was overthrown she had to take over >HW only cares about hunting and protecting her forest >PB isn't even interested in him >Marceline is the only one that could keep up with Finn and his adventures but she would probably get bored soon
Even though it’s pretty much a crackship I can see the appeal. At the very least i’m surprised BP never made a second appearance considering she’s one of the few characters in the later seasons with SOME personality.
>crackship
I disagree, at least not with my stipulation of her being less evil. Finn is a weirdo fightgay, and so is she. Of course she’s pretty irredeemable in the story and if one of his actual ships worked I wouldn’t even consider them but seeing as they didn’t I do think a milder version of her would work really well with him seeing as he basically dies single (unless we get anymore episodes)
she was boring. but there's a metric ton of characters interesting and fun characters that should have made a second apereance but never did and were relegated to background characters
Something I like about her is that she was a b***h but never actually to Finn (they interacted like 2 times but still). I would imagine because Finn being the land's hero is kind of a chad.
It's a funny way to do the alpha b***h character for a cartoon, they're actually sorta nice to the main guy even though he's just a dude while she's a b***h to everyone else
Even though it’s pretty much a crackship I can see the appeal. At the very least i’m surprised BP never made a second appearance considering she’s one of the few characters in the later seasons with SOME personality.
>crackship
I disagree, at least not with my stipulation of her being less evil. Finn is a weirdo fightgay, and so is she. Of course she’s pretty irredeemable in the story and if one of his actual ships worked I wouldn’t even consider them but seeing as they didn’t I do think a milder version of her would work really well with him seeing as he basically dies single (unless we get anymore episodes)
I actually think Bandit Princess was wasted potential, and could have been a lot cooler if she was introduced earlier and was more reoccurring. And I am not talking from a romantic/shipping point of view (although this doesn't discredit that) I just think she'd be a really cool enemy/rival for Finn. Thinking through most of the enemies Finn fights, there are plenty of random one off monsters and some of them use weapons, but what stood out to me with BP is she's essentially a rival swordsman/woman. Finn is an adventurer who goes around with a sword saving people, and she's an adventurer who goes around with a sword harming and stealing from people. There's a natural foil built in there, and allows for more skill based sword fight scenes as a bonus. This isn't to say Finn doesn't have other rivals, there's Tiffany who's more of a gag rival and isn't really close to being his equal in combat, and there's Fern who is literally a copy of Finn mixed with a grass demon so they have their own unique dynamic. But Bandit Princess could have been a good recurring enemy for Finn before all that, and there is definitely some fun irony in how he usually saves princesses but this one he fights.
Also because I feel like it I'll take some draw requests if anyone wants to see anything done. Bandit Princess related or not.
We need more BP art, so I'm humbly requesting BP in a dungeon trying to lockpick a door.
Optional: a monster(s) is sneaking up behind her and she's completely unaware
Sorry for the delay, but here it is. Had to rush some stuff like the shading a bit but hope you still like it. This one was actually really fun, I love Adventure Time dungeon aesthetics.
>ppl drink grimace shake >spooky/weird thing happens
Thats literally it.
Zoomzooms disappoint me. At least asphyxiate yourself to death or something. Nu internet challenges are weak, though the dph one was based. We should all strive to uncover the hatman’s secrets, t. Chronic insomniac
10 months ago
Anonymous
I will say reading this whole exchange has made me more disappointed of you than of them
Is the straightness the problem though? Treetrunks and mr pig have everything bend over backwards for them. And jake/rainicorn have no opposition either. I think they just hate finn, or maybe think him settling down would mean he does less adventuring or something.
Why didn’t you respond to me. Also just draw Finn and bp fricking at this point. Or otherwise them at the ball together with both of them very embarrassed.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Which was your post?
10 months ago
Anonymous
The pink dress one, which I really liked. Also shouldn’t you be asleep based on your previous posting habits. If you’re still taking requests have her go to the ball with a very reluctant Finn. Though we’re approaching bump limit (co is 300 right? Don’t browse here much so maybe it’s 500) so if you do draw it post it in some other adventure time thread
10 months ago
Anonymous
Just woke up. I am busy today so might be a bit delayed unless I go for a simpler style. Also sorry if I've missed any questions or anything like that
10 months ago
Anonymous
What are you busy with? I’ve myself just today had a 12 hour shift where all my equipment was faulty and then suddenly was asked by my b***h boss to complete my entire days work in the last hour with a 40 year old manual method. >go into stem they said >it will be good they said
By stem they maths or physics clearly. Biology/chemistry are a joke
God I hate the western world.
10 months ago
Anonymous
What are you busy with? I’ve myself just today had a 12 hour shift where all my equipment was faulty and then suddenly was asked by my b***h boss to complete my entire days work in the last hour with a 40 year old manual method. >go into stem they said >it will be good they said
By stem they maths or physics clearly. Biology/chemistry are a joke
God I hate the western world.
Here's something I put together just now for your troubles, hope you like it. No colour though but I think that kinda gives it an atmosphere.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I like how aghast lsp is. Very nice, though Finn looks too happy. He should be mortified he somehow got dragged into this (though secretly is glad he was). Flame princess getting cucked is also very good, never liked her much. Was BP always that big though lol
10 months ago
Anonymous
How about this expression? >Was BP always that big though lol
Yeah I think she's a little taller than Finn but also remember in this outfit she's wearing high heels which makes the height difference more apparent and Finn more nervous.
OR here, thanks a lot, I love this lmfao
Glad you like it
10 months ago
Anonymous
This is much better, thanks. You got a twitter or pixiv or something? And is she really that big? I remember her as a smallish gremlin thing, though been a while since I’ve watched her episodes. Got a day off tomorrow so maybe I’ll rewatch them.
10 months ago
Anonymous
she's around the same size as finn. Probably around the same age as well
10 months ago
Anonymous
Just watched a few seconds of her episode and if anything she’s a couple inches taller than him even without heels. The horns add to it of course but even going by the top of her skull she’s clearly taller. Guess cos she’s female and gobliny looking I remember her as being way shorter. If anything adds to the awkwardness between her and her date, though finn is no stranger to taller women
10 months ago
Anonymous
she's around the same size as finn. Probably around the same age as well
Finn is closer to the camera here, if you imagine them both with their legs straight she does look a bit taller than him. The horns also contribute to this as well.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here's another shot
10 months ago
Anonymous
>You got a twitter or pixiv or something
Not at the moment, I may in the future though. I'll also probably still be posting in future AT threads occasionally drawing stuff.
10 months ago
Anonymous
As long as it’s all bandit princess related. Wonder if we’ll get a bandit prince in the fionna and cake series. I also wanna see a sexy female hunson
10 months ago
Anonymous
Lol I love BP although I do think I'll be drawing more characters. I have a couple that have caught my eye.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Like who? Breakfast princess, canyon or huntress wizard are the only acceptable answers.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Canyon, Huntress Wizard, Lizard Princess, Shoko, The fruit witches off the top of my head. You can probably tell I have a type. Breakfast Princess is also pretty good though.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>lizard, fruit
Don’t remember them at all. At least you like bp, hw and canyon though. Canyon has very cute teeth
10 months ago
Anonymous
Makes sense as they have very brief appearances. The fruit witches appear as an obstacle in "Dad's Dungeon" and Lizard Princess appears like twice for a few seconds over the course of the whole show and has no lines. But I find her cute regardless. Might draw her later.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Damn lizzie kissed finn on the lips upon research. Friendship ended with finn x huntress, finn x lizard is my new ship. Also wtf is that scene
10 months ago
Anonymous
Also you got the full pic from earlier with the updated Finn? I need it for my bandit princess wall
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here ya go
10 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks man, I appreciate all the free art. Their respective expressions are hilarious
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I actually think Bandit Princess was wasted potential, and could have been a lot cooler if she was introduced earlier and was more reoccurring. And I am not talking from a romantic/shipping point of view (although this doesn't discredit that) I just think she'd be a really cool enemy/rival for Finn. Thinking through most of the enemies Finn fights, there are plenty of random one off monsters and some of them use weapons, but what stood out to me with BP is she's essentially a rival swordsman/woman. Finn is an adventurer who goes around with a sword saving people, and she's an adventurer who goes around with a sword harming and stealing from people. There's a natural foil built in there, and allows for more skill based sword fight scenes as a bonus. This isn't to say Finn doesn't have other rivals, there's Tiffany who's more of a gag rival and isn't really close to being his equal in combat, and there's Fern who is literally a copy of Finn mixed with a grass demon so they have their own unique dynamic. But Bandit Princess could have been a good recurring enemy for Finn before all that, and there is definitely some fun irony in how he usually saves princesses but this one he fights.
Also because I feel like it I'll take some draw requests if anyone wants to see anything done. Bandit Princess related or not.
>grifter
what, am I trying to convince people to pay for my HW Patreon where I talk about her combined 14 minutes of screentime. What the frick are you talking about dude people who like HW just want Finn to frick someone sexy
bro this is the cartoon where 95% of the characters are literally 🙂
HW has detailed eyes and shit which gives her more than nearly every other character, plus her outfit is more interesting than nearly everything Bubblegum or Marceline ever wore
Ah yes as opposed to Bubblegum's amazing and captivating boring as frick looking princess dress.
if you can't acknowledge that it's above most of the other looks for female ladies in this show then you're just silly. it's not the best looking shit ever but think in relative terms guy
Huntress wizard liked him without some ulterior motive, or without freaking out over something every five minutes like fp. Bonnie or marcy obviously would never work, and while fp definitely could have the writers fricked that over for some reason. Really by the end huntress was the only ship left so I don’t understand why so many are against it, perhaps she wouldn’t have been the premier choice if she’d been equal among the others when introduced but when she did fisnlly become a proper character every other ship had thoroughly been shut down whether fairly or not
Many are against it because by that point they got tired of Finn’s continuous romantic failures and thought this would repeat with HW through some half assed break up like with FP. There’s really no reason to give a shit about Finn’s romantic life if it’s destined to end up in failure at every turn. This show would’ve been far more enjoyable if Finn never crushed on anyone.
Probably true, they should have left it at fp really, or at the very least hw - preferably coming before fp if it was intended to be the final pairing, three failures in a row is pretty gay even if they were mostly fan based - off a pubescent Finn’s dick’s decisions - and entirely one-sided. Still while not entirely unrealistic it was a little repetitive and baity. They should have just gone with either fp or hw and stuck with it (preferably hw, fp is ugly)
>(preferably hw, fp is ugly) >ugly
You better take that back
10 months ago
Anonymous
>FP is ugly
Shut up Ice King
Ug
>YWN have a manipulative bandit gf
Pain.
Why is she so cute
>To be fair it does make it one of the more pleasant boards, less
No it does not. This place is plenty /misc/esque.
Clearly you’ve never left this board femoid. Post bellybutton
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I actually think Bandit Princess was wasted potential, and could have been a lot cooler if she was introduced earlier and was more reoccurring. And I am not talking from a romantic/shipping point of view (although this doesn't discredit that) I just think she'd be a really cool enemy/rival for Finn. Thinking through most of the enemies Finn fights, there are plenty of random one off monsters and some of them use weapons, but what stood out to me with BP is she's essentially a rival swordsman/woman. Finn is an adventurer who goes around with a sword saving people, and she's an adventurer who goes around with a sword harming and stealing from people. There's a natural foil built in there, and allows for more skill based sword fight scenes as a bonus. This isn't to say Finn doesn't have other rivals, there's Tiffany who's more of a gag rival and isn't really close to being his equal in combat, and there's Fern who is literally a copy of Finn mixed with a grass demon so they have their own unique dynamic. But Bandit Princess could have been a good recurring enemy for Finn before all that, and there is definitely some fun irony in how he usually saves princesses but this one he fights.
Also because I feel like it I'll take some draw requests if anyone wants to see anything done. Bandit Princess related or not.
Draw her in a pink frilly dress looking really embarrassed
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here you go, hope you enjoy.
While I've been drawing BP stuff I've actually been coming up with hypothetical episode ideas for her if she had been introduced as a recurring character much earlier in the series. I've already got like two general plots outlined.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I did something like that where.she shows up in City of Thieves but it involves her crown getting stolen which is why she is shown never wearing it. She's a legit princess, but since she lost her crown to another thief, it was such a great humiliation that she was kicked out of the kingdom
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here you go, hope you enjoy.
While I've been drawing BP stuff I've actually been coming up with hypothetical episode ideas for her if she had been introduced as a recurring character much earlier in the series. I've already got like two general plots outlined.
Wasn't super satisfied with the pose or level of embarrassment so here's an alt version
I did something like that where.she shows up in City of Thieves but it involves her crown getting stolen which is why she is shown never wearing it. She's a legit princess, but since she lost her crown to another thief, it was such a great humiliation that she was kicked out of the kingdom
Yeah tying her to the City of Thieves is a good idea, I love that location (as is pretty nostalgic for me as its one of the earliest episodes I remember watching) and wish they have revisited it at some point. BP could even be related to the dead king of thieves maybe.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Here you go, hope you enjoy.
While I've been drawing BP stuff I've actually been coming up with hypothetical episode ideas for her if she had been introduced as a recurring character much earlier in the series. I've already got like two general plots outlined.
Cute! Now draw her being led on a leash to the royal ball by tuxedo Finn..
10 months ago
Anonymous
Hot
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Wasn't super satisfied with the pose or level of embarrassment so here's an alt version
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Yeah tying her to the City of Thieves is a good idea, I love that location (as is pretty nostalgic for me as its one of the earliest episodes I remember watching) and wish they have revisited it at some point. BP could even be related to the dead king of thieves maybe.
Here you go, hope you enjoy.
While I've been drawing BP stuff I've actually been coming up with hypothetical episode ideas for her if she had been introduced as a recurring character much earlier in the series. I've already got like two general plots outlined.
Very cute, thank you anon. First is her embarrassed by the dress, second is her realising she’s the only one without a date. I guess I could go with her, not cos a l-like her or anything.. what storylines have you come up for her?
>(preferably hw, fp is ugly) >ugly
You better take that back
Based and flamepilled
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Ug
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Why is she so cute
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Clearly you’ve never left this board femoid. Post bellybutton
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Draw her in a pink frilly dress looking really embarrassed
Marceline but for women. Did you even watch the series?
Ah yes as opposed to Bubblegum's amazing and captivating boring as frick looking princess dress.
if you can't acknowledge that it's above most of the other looks for female ladies in this show then you're just silly. it's not the best looking shit ever but think in relative terms guy
Bubs is sexo, as is huntress wizard. And also Marcy. FP is meh, but I won’t fault some for finding her.. ahem.. hot. Canyon is obviously the sexiest however, those teeth are beautiful.. and that size.. imagine.
the sexiest thing that ever happened with PB was how she didn't have shoes on in that one dungeon episode where she had short hair.
not a footgay, that was just interesting for her in terms of design tbh
I haven't for like a decade but I always thought the very first one did a great job at making fun of fanfiction while also being a pretty fun regular episode. Even if it was flaming dogshit the Ice King twist would redeem it
I haven't for like a decade but I always thought the very first one did a great job at making fun of fanfiction while also being a pretty fun regular episode. Even if it was flaming dogshit the Ice King twist would redeem it
Good point. Ice king usually made things better. I miss the guy.
I always skipped them when I first watched the show as I was watching for Finn and Jake not Fionna and Cake. Although I did decide to watch them recently when rewatching the series, especially with the Fionna and Cake continuation coming out in the near future. Still not the biggest fan of the eps but yeah the Ice King parts could at least be fun.
>Reddit spacing >Literally not just making a chart yourself in excel or google-docs with the data I posted here
Very funny that this images I posted on a whim has spawned a new thread. Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
As a side note, here's the data for both charts. >not just going on AO3 and getting the number of fics with their search function.
the adorable situations of Finn being sort of like a surrogate dad to Bronwyn.
and you'll have to keep imaging them because there's zero fics like that.Write them yourselfyou hussy.
>had minimal fun interactions with Finn
You know why(pic related), any substantial interaction could have made the shitty lesbian subplot look worse than it already was.
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If it wasn't such a big part of the show people would care less. At least the hacks let Jake stay in relatively healthy, monogamous relationship. Also, I can't belive that I'm writing that, Tree Trunks and mr.cuck had more consistently and just better written relationship than any of Finn's, with FP included.
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The writers changed, and some of them (women) really wanted to turn Bubblegum into some strong, confident, heroic, always right feminist icon action girl and true MC. So her crimes were ignored by simple act of hand-waving.
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A background character that had like 2.5 episodes dedicated to her.
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She stopped being a character in general and was turned into bubblegum's irrelevant plus one gaybait.
chart. FF.net has literally zero fics of them, and AO3 has seven. But because a lot of people don't tag their stuff properly the charts are probably off a few numbers.
I'm a big dog niece incest chad but there's only like, 2 not even big fanfics for them. Sadly the only place to get satisfying grunkle fricking is porn
(OP) >Why is Bubblegum so hated.
Evil b***h.
Despot.
Autistic.
Treats Finn like shit.
Breaks into Finns house to steal his treasure.
Spies on and attacks other nations.
Hypocrite. Will attack Fire Kingdom for having giant Robots, while having Giant Robots in her own Kingdom. Only Bubblegum is allowed to have WMD's.
Even before the whole tyrannical angle was explored with PB that scene on the hilltop after Too Young was wild from PB's perspective. Like, sure you don't like Finn, but he's a kid you use regularly for errands and favors and science experiments. The least you could do is empathize and let him down easy.
Bandit princess is a better power though. Marcy would be more of a yoru (in the beginning anyway, and yoru is probably going to soften up over the series)
>AdventureTimeStudios, 3:30 AM >A dark corner >Pendleton Ward is scribbling away >He has finished, at long last, the full story for theAdventureTimemovie >It's not perfect, nothing ever is, but it's as close to the memories of his tabletop games and comic books that motivated him to make that fateful pilot episode years ago >The story is simple enough, Finn fights the Ice King to save Peebles, and then contends with the Lich. The structure is effective, but it's in the humor where the film truly shines >Suddenly, the door to Pen's office bursts open >He is blinded as light fills the room >Jesse Moynihan, Steve Little, Somvilay Xayaphone, and even Rebecca Sugar walk into the office >Pen has not heard from them in months >He hasn't seen Rebecca for years >"W-what's up, guys?", he asks, a mix of fear and hope in his voice >"We heard you finished the movie, Pen.", Little says, an eerie smile on his face >"We wanted to offer feedback.", Moynihan chips in >Ward clenches his teeth. "There's- there's no need for that, guys." >"Oh, I insist.", Jesse says, and snatches the 500 storyboards from Pen's hand as he takes out a bright red sharpie. >"This is no good at all.", Xayaphone says, as he crosses off a picture of the Gumball Guardians and replaces them with Betty. >"This plot point is too direct. You need to be more experimental and philisophical with your ending.", Moynihan mutters as he tears the final story board of Finn killing the Lich into pieces. >"I like this panel.", Rebecca Sugar says, as she holds up a picture of Finn kissing Princess Bubblegum as Marceline cheers them all. >"But it would work even better if you switched Finn with Marceline, don't you agree?" >"N-no I- I don't agr-" Pen starts to mutter. >He is met not with glares, but looks of incredulity. >"Y-yes, you're right.", Pen says >"I- I just wanted anAdventure, but maybe... maybe that's not what kids want. Go ahead and make the changes. >AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL >MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>"I like this panel.", Rebecca Sugar says, as she holds up a picture of Finn kissing Princess Bubblegum as Marceline cheers them all.
"But it would work even better if you switched Finn with Marceline, don't you agree?"
*"But it would work better if you switched Bubblegum with Marceline, don't you agree?"
Get your Rebecca Sugar impressions right.
I feel for him. He had the best show on the network. His only frickups were letting Rebecca "Dyke" sugar work with him and the other degenerates.
>Muh rebecca sugar
Sugar made a terrible show but she wasn't the one responsible for AT going to shit. That all happened after she left the show. >Oh but she implied that marcy and PB had a past together which lead to bubbline taking over the show!
You never watched the show, you just saw they kissed in the finale and jumped to a conclusion. If you did watch the show you'd know PB and Marcy have only a handful of episodes together. >What was missing in S3 (the only one sugar worked on), >Sky witch in S5 >Varmits in S7 >Some parts of the Stakes miniseries in S7 >Their two to three moments in the finale.
You know what Sugar actually significantly introduced with Marcy's character? Her father/daughter relationship with Simon. A distinctly not lesbian relationship. And you know what else she went out of her way to introduce? Finn and Flame Princess, the distinctly straight relationship. Only for the writers to break them up after she had left and had no more influence.
So if you hate Simon and Marcy and Finn and Flame Princess pre-breakup, then you'd have reason to blame Sugar for the show being bad. But most fans actually liked those things and didn't really consider them when the show went downhill.
I don't need to look it up, I literally mentioned the episode she introduced the idea of the two of them having a history together. But when you actually look at all her contributions, that's clearly one she comparatively wasn't very invested in. One episode by her, that didn't try to hook the two of them up, just implied they could be exes. It was people who came after her who decided to introduce them getting back together again. Compare this one episode to all the other episodes she worked on: >The Real You
A Finn x Bubblegum episode that ends in her kissing him >It Came from the Nightosphere and Daddy's little monster
Two episodes exploring Marceline's family separate from anything Bubblegum related >Mortal Folly
Finn's love (well power of "liking someone a lot") for PB helps him defeat the Lich >Morituri Te Salutamus
A classic adventure episode with a cool setting that reinforces Finn and Jake's friendship and brotherhood. >Incendium >Hot to the Touch >Burning low
All episodes about Finn x Flame Princess, a straight ship. >I remember you >Simon and Marcy
Episodes exploring Simon and Marcy's relationship >Bad little boy
An episode that ships Marcy's male counterpart with Finn's female counterpart.
So look at all this, and you think her focus was on Marcy x PB, which she only wrote one episode for and they weren't even the focus of the episode? You'd think if she actually had some dyke agenda she'd actually have more episodes of them together instead of focusing on these characters having relationships with other characters or making straight ships happen.
Nice meme, but Pen wasnt forced out of AT, in fact he was cool with letting the other staff pretty much do whatever they want.
He voluntarily handed over control because directing the show was too stressful for him.
More like he was forced at gunpoint, he knew that he would be blacklisted if he didn't let "the first israeli women creator" Lauren Zuke'd his show and bailed out when he saw things coming
Nobody forced him to do shit. He said himself being director of AT wasn't cut out for him, and he handed the reigns over to Adam Muto voluntarily.
None of the shit you brought up phased him at all, and he supported the changes to PB and Marceline 100%. Get a grip
More like he was forced at gunpoint, he knew that he would be blacklisted if he didn't let "the first israeli women creator" Lauren Zuke'd his show and bailed out when he saw things coming
Both of you are talking out your ass, Either he threw it all away and didnt care or They pressured him into ruining it, what does it matter?
It matters to them because it justifies their victim complex. If he was forced, then they get to feel justified in believing there is some malicious plot to usurp "white" males like themselves and Pen and replace them with women and lesbians. If Pen willingly let other people take control and is chill with the women and lesbians then their worldview starts to crumble. And since they've wasted so many good years of their life believing that crap they really want it to be the case, even if they act like its a bad thing.
The Rolling Stone interview Pen did a long time ago pretty much explained it. The guy was fresh out of college and basically caught lightning in a bottle entirely by accident with AT. He had zero leadership skills and wasn't emotionally or mentally prepared for the amount of work it took of running a series.
she started off as this princess peach character and then got """"developed""" into this horrid miserable b***h of a character who only received a pass for being a carpet muncher. AT was killed by shipgays and now that's all that's left. going back to the early seasons is so disorienting because its an entirely different series compared to what it devolved into.
>then got """"developed"""
Since season 1 she was meant to be a little bit of an arrogant, overconfident haughty b***h but not straight up some immortal orwellian dictator >going back to the early seasons
Funny, when it was earlier seasons that had the biggest amount of shipping warfare. Seasons 6, 8 and 9 had barely any romance or pseudo romance outside of a few episodes.
I don't need to look it up, I literally mentioned the episode she introduced the idea of the two of them having a history together. But when you actually look at all her contributions, that's clearly one she comparatively wasn't very invested in. One episode by her, that didn't try to hook the two of them up, just implied they could be exes. It was people who came after her who decided to introduce them getting back together again. Compare this one episode to all the other episodes she worked on: >The Real You
A Finn x Bubblegum episode that ends in her kissing him >It Came from the Nightosphere and Daddy's little monster
Two episodes exploring Marceline's family separate from anything Bubblegum related >Mortal Folly
Finn's love (well power of "liking someone a lot") for PB helps him defeat the Lich >Morituri Te Salutamus
A classic adventure episode with a cool setting that reinforces Finn and Jake's friendship and brotherhood. >Incendium >Hot to the Touch >Burning low
All episodes about Finn x Flame Princess, a straight ship. >I remember you >Simon and Marcy
Episodes exploring Simon and Marcy's relationship >Bad little boy
An episode that ships Marcy's male counterpart with Finn's female counterpart.
So look at all this, and you think her focus was on Marcy x PB, which she only wrote one episode for and they weren't even the focus of the episode? You'd think if she actually had some dyke agenda she'd actually have more episodes of them together instead of focusing on these characters having relationships with other characters or making straight ships happen.
Mate, first of all you are giving sucrose too much credit, she was just a storyboarder, a newbie at that. She wrote songs and dialogue but it wasn't her decision of how the story or characters would develop at large.
>Mate, first of all you are giving sucrose too much credit, she was just a storyboarder, a newbie at that. She wrote songs and dialogue but it wasn't her decision of how the story or characters would develop at large.
Yes, and that only further proves my point. She did work as a writer/storyboarder on these episodes and had an influence on what happened in an episode because it was a storyboard driven show. This doesn't mean however that she has the power to influence the show to the degree that people are claiming she had. Which means she can't possibly be the one to blame for Adventure Time going shit.
So there are two options, either she did have a lot of control but then didn't actually contribute much Bubbline to the show as you can see from the episodes she worked on, or she doesn't have much control at all which means she couldn't have been the one who strong-armed Bubbline into being the endgame ship. That's why people who just assume she's responsible for it annoy me, because it makes no sense and reads like people who know very little about the show b***hing for the sake of b***hing about lesbians and the Steven Universe creator.
>strong-armed Bubbline into being the endgame ship.
There was no need for strong-arming anything, neither Muto nor rest of crew members that stayed or got hired later and "developed" the show were against it.
This show exists on a spectrum with early seasons being filled with "lolz so random holds up the epic bacon spork of awesomeness" humor and later seasons being filled with pretentious writing and mind-numbing relationship drama.
Somewhere in the middle there's a few episodes that are both fun and interesting, but not nearly enough for the attention the show got.
>"lolz so random holds up the epic bacon spork of awesomeness" humor
That was more of a cratoon network thing just wanting another flapjack and straight up discarding more serious pitches early on but you still got episodes like ocean of fear even at the very beginning of the show.
arrogant and overconfident is worlds apart from feminist Big Brother. Its depressing how much the show diverged from its humble beginnings as it went on. I disagree that the early seasons had much shipping warfare. If anything the majority of seasons 1 to 3 are the most adventure focused seasons of the series. the most shipping you get is when finn meets with bubblegum or marceline and you get the vibe he's horny for them.
>seasons 1 to 3 are the most adventure focused seasons of the series
Alongside 8, the one with two miniseries
arrogant and overconfident is worlds apart from feminist Big Brother. Its depressing how much the show diverged from its humble beginnings as it went on. I disagree that the early seasons had much shipping warfare. If anything the majority of seasons 1 to 3 are the most adventure focused seasons of the series. the most shipping you get is when finn meets with bubblegum or marceline and you get the vibe he's horny for them.
This show exists on a spectrum with early seasons being filled with "lolz so random holds up the epic bacon spork of awesomeness" humor and later seasons being filled with pretentious writing and mind-numbing relationship drama.
Somewhere in the middle there's a few episodes that are both fun and interesting, but not nearly enough for the attention the show got.
I agree completely. Its an oddity unlike any other. Its crazy that the series even still has a fanbase. Its hard to recover any fondness I once had for it after season 5. It took a considerable decline in quality for years.
>Its crazy that the series even still has a fanbase
That's because AT along with Regular Show and Gravity Falls are the lasts cartoons that were truly popular with all demographics
That being said, in contrast to the other 2, what's left of AT's fanbase is too damn split, there's a clear divide between ATgays that like the first seasons and NuATgays, Bubbline/Dykegays, different shipgays, people that just hate PB and so on, this is something that doesn't happen with let's say RS's fanbase where almost everyone agrees that the relationship eps are trash and the final season is the weakest
I forgot to add, the legacy of AT and its sibling series is kind of interesting in retrospect as nobody discusses them anymore. I cant recall the last time I heard any mention of bravest warriors. Puppycat got a reboot and somehow still didnt find an audience outside of that initial 2012-2015 boon of popularity.
see the thing is that FP/Cinnamon Bun was never actually a romantic ship, but it would've been funny if it was because getting knocked up by a 30+ year old moron is a fitting fate for a bad character like Flame Princess
What’s with this shake meme. Don’t know if it’s an adventure time specific thing but I’ve seen some reference to “shake” mentioned multiple times across this board. Indulge an Cinemaphilenon that doesn’t come here that often
You didn’t explain it though. And is this board really so homosexualy to be influenced by tiktok? Musically was based at least cos they didn’t give a crap about all the jailbait content
Anon.. I browse Cinemaphile. And am I autistic for my jailbait comment or because I don’t know some zoomie tiktok meme? Only thing that came up when I searched it was mcdonalds grimace. Far beyond the time of anyone on tiktok. Stop being vague and explain it to me homosexual
10 months ago
Anonymous
>ppl drink grimace shake >spooky/weird thing happens
Thats literally it.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Very good, I await eagerly
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Zoomzooms disappoint me. At least asphyxiate yourself to death or something. Nu internet challenges are weak, though the dph one was based. We should all strive to uncover the hatman’s secrets, t. Chronic insomniac
Really, you proudly claiming disability then trying to shame others in the same ten minutes puts you so much lower than whatever you’re trying to say
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/grimace-shake-trend
https://twitter.com/GarbageHomo/status/1673446438062137353
just a meme. twitter's having a field trip day with it.
Because she is a shitty person. She ruined a wedding because she felt that her authority wasn't acknowledged, so she breaks and enters, and throws everyone is jail when she is proven wrong.
What I don’t understand is why marcy is so high. She’s a good character, one of, if not the best character on that list. But she doesn’t really go with finn, nor is it ever really hinted at as far as I can remember. She’s very much a “cool older sister” type character. And bonnie may as well be an alien to finn except for when she gets e-girled briefly. So anyway finn is made for bandit princess
I don't ship Marcy and Finn either, but can get why people do. Marcy is that cool older sexy (they say it in the show) girl who many people fantasise about being in a relationship when they themselves were Finn's age. So the ship sort of fulfils that wish fulfilment. What I don't get are people who think they should have been endgame, or that Marcy was "stolen" from Finn when the two never had romantic interest in each other and even had an episode establishing that fact.
She was flirty to Finn a few times in the early seasons, they had fun chemistry, and she was one of the most popular (and sexy) characters so people wanted to see her get with the protag.
I think most people acknowledge it would never happen especially since both characters say as much as early as season 2 but that doesn't change how it was a very well liked ship back in the day.
>What I don’t understand is why marcy is so high
Early seasons stuff and the impact her episodes made, she also had a lot of potential because of her personality, interests, background and "lore" importance. She was supposed to be a curious globetrotter, yet the show forced her to stay in the cave, especially later on, a thrill seaking adventurer yet the show basically never let her go to any adventure, someone with close connection to humanity, yet the show never allowed her to reconnect in any way. All that untapped potential was also something that was relatively easy to work with. Even though Marceline as a character pretty much peaked in Henchman/Go with me and it was all downhill from there.
She was flirty to Finn a few times in the early seasons, they had fun chemistry, and she was one of the most popular (and sexy) characters so people wanted to see her get with the protag.
I think most people acknowledge it would never happen especially since both characters say as much as early as season 2 but that doesn't change how it was a very well liked ship back in the day.
>since both characters say as much as early as season 2
That is a bit of a misunderstanding of both their characters from early on. Marcy was supossed to keep others at safe emotional distance, that's why she's fine with kissing but any romance, and Finn was supossed to be confused and easily embarrassed, in that same episode he directly tells Jake that he doesn't want to kiss PB but the way he speaks and the way it's animated are what supposed to tell you the truth. Yeah, it's vague and it's not like it mattered in the long run.
Finn's crush on PB has been blatant and obvious since the pilot, and got increasingly more obvious with each new season. Meanwhile Finn never had any crush on Marcy he just blushed when she teasingly kissed him and stuff. His big revelation in Go With Me is that Marceline is the best person to take on a date to the movies because she's already his bro and if he got to take any (and PB is unavailable) then it's gotta be her.
But not any indication in any of that that Finn actually has a crush on Marcy. I say this as someone who also likes Finnceline, in the show itself it never had a chance.
If you phrased this the other way I’d respect this regardless of whether I agreed, but protecting a 3dpd while accepting the abuse of a beautiful 2d princess.. what the frick is wrong with you?
>Why is bubblegum so hated?
If I were to guess based on my limited knowledge of the show:
1. Too smart to be relatable
2. Not enough drama surrounding her life to make her a compelling character
3. Subverted expectations too much and playing with the audience emotions too hard regarding her relationship with Finn
>1. Too smart to be relatable
Peter Parker >2. Not enough drama surrounding her life to make her a compelling character
She has it. How she responds to it and gets away with her actions makes her despicable. >3. Subverted expectations too much and playing with the audience emotions too hard regarding her relationship with Finn
That’s the problem with the show. Not with her in particular.
She has a cool design, I remember thinking it be cool to see more of her when I first noticed her as a background character, so it was cool we got what we got.
finn self-inserters. one part of them hate not only for not end up with finn but also being mean with him (like sakura in naruto) other part hates her because their waifu was marceline and ruined the ship between both
PB is a literal detestable villain. FP, CBun, and Marceline aren’t hated whatsoever by your supposed “Finn self-insertors”. They’ve quickly moved on to HW, but they get constantly reminded of how fricking evil PB is in every season. Including, her harming and killing newly beloved character.
Finngays have a right to despise the most evil character in adventure time. It doesn’t fricking help how Prince Bubblegum is a notably better person than this crazy, controlling b***h.
I like this fanon that they're her sisters or aunts or something, it's neat how similar they look, but I'm sure it's just coincidence because they're not identical. I assume HW is supposed to be the equivalent of the water nymphs, only with plants.
What I hate most of all is that the show makes an effort early on to show that she is flawed and unethical, but it seems like its only manifested into either being played for laughs or swept under the rug to make her appear more girlboss.
Stupid question about writing. About Incendium, basically Jake tries to make Finn get over PB by introducing him to another girl, correct? But how would you turn the premise of Finn getting over PB without the need of a new girl? Something along the lines of reminding Finn what's important and whatnot.
Im writing something with a similar direction and I want to hear you guys mess around with that idea.
It's not impossible to imagine that Finn would get over his immediate Incendium tantrum, and then over time get over his PB lovesickness in general. Finn had a pretty sizable crush on PB but he was just 12 so he's being a kid who barely knows what love is and is dealing with these stressful emotions for the first time, if Jake slapped enough sense in him abut other fish in the sea yada yada he would be fine soon enough.
And unless Jake hatched Plan Find Finn A b***h he would never even know who FP is nor met her, so that would have avoided that issue entirely. RIP to her spending her life rotting in that cage I guess.
It would have taken some time, and could have affected his relationship with PB in some interesting ways I can't entirely come up with on my own at the moment, but it would've happened most likely.
Yeah, it was pretty cool how they could take a background character and make them so prominent like that. Sometimes when the show focused on random incidental characters it could be hit or miss, but I really enjoy Huntress Wizard's moments in the show. She was definitely one of those background characters I really liked the design of and wanted to see more of before they brought her back in Flute Spell.
On this subject, what are some random obscure background characters that you like which didn't ever get a chance in the spotlight or become elevated to a recurring cast member. Could be a character for their design or theme, or something they did in their brief appearance, etc.
She has proven time and time again that she'd make a better final antagonist than Gumbald. And I also don't think that GOLB can be considered an actual character at all.
As if adventure time isn’t plenty popular. Plotholima is a shit character anyway >how does her power work? >shrug >why does darkness want her head >shrug >why is she so interested in chainsaw man >cos like she’s such a fanboy she uhh tries her hardest to kill him and kill all his friends… yeah >why does she require sacrifices for her bullshit long distant kills >cos uhh, she just does stop asking questions
Such writing, much wow. Part 2 is better because she’s largely absent aside from the occasional unfortunate cameo. Seriously fujo get over your pet character.
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Huntress Wizard has the least screentime, only appearing as a love interest for Finn in the last few seasons and only having 2 and a half episodes about their relationship. So it makes sense that she'd have a pretty low number of fanfics over the years, she has a lot more catching up to do.
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This however is pretty surprising, I guess this is where most of the HW x Finn shippers have decided to do their catching up.
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I think I agree, although even from the start with PB before she became so explicitly evil I was never a super big fan of that ship. PB always felt too condescending towards Finn, outside of the episode where she herself was a kid she was generally more of an older sister character with Finn being stupid for trying to get with her. Even Marcy was the better older girl option and they didn't have any actual romance between them in the show.
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HW coming at the end of the series and not getting enough episodes with her as a prominent character really did her dirty in my opinion. Personally, I could see her being with Finn as the equivalent of Canyon with Billy. Both HW and Canyon are tied to nature, Canyon with her spring/water and HW with the forest, both of them live active adventurous lives already and have their own casual wisdom to them. Although hopefully unlike Billy Finn wouldn't give up and become a NEET in a cave so HW wouldn't get bored and dump him. Regardless, HW definitely needed more screen time to really sell her as a love interest for Finn but I do think she has potential.
Adventure Timegays only care about shipping
The writers only cared about lesbians
I watched it during a really low point in my life, and I genuinely enjoyed the adventure.
It's basically isekai before I knew isekai existed.
They self inserted too hard into Fin
>can only like a character if you self insert as him
I liked him because for a long time he was the only of one of his species and just wanted to do the right thing
Is him being human all that important though? There are plenty of humanoid characters, he isn’t bothered by it (probably isn’t even aware he’s the last of his kind, well ice king is human too.. ish, plus later characters like Martin if you want to be pedantic).
The gist isn't the human bit, but that the kid was the only one of his kind and could only connect in any meaningful ways with very few people.
>his adoptive parents were intelligent dogs that died of old age when he was barely 12
>his brother while loving him doesn't always have the best advice for him
>most of the humanoid residents are at best acquaintances and the other ones are few like PB or Marceline
>most candy people are moronic and can barely hold a conversation
>the giants like Billy are few and don't interact much with Finn
The child lived a life where the main people he interacted with were few and not enough or in any meaningful way for him to develop. It could be said that Finn even being a good being and a semi well put together person is a miracle when the most contact he had in his very early developing faze was PB putting him to save her kingdom or Ice king battling with him.
Nice analysis and all but what does it have to do with my comment. Nothing I said is contrary to any of the info you posted. Finn’s humaness plays little part in his psyche, sure it makes him irresistible to most princesses he comes across but he barely acknowledges this. The story as a whole barely changes (until Martin appears at least) if you make Finn a regular Ooo mutant.
Never self insert or you end up like this
This, if you're going to imagine being in a fictional universe and fricking your waifu you might as well go all the way with it to the point it's literally you
>FP is first only closely followed by Marcy
Absolutely based
FP was the best
Are Ember and Flame Princess related?
Because she’s directly characterized as a bad tyrannical person who lobotomizes her kin and progeny against their will for power
Flame Princess is kind of a cold b***h later on herself
Tbf you can say that about almost anyone later into the show, for example marcy became nothing but >muh PB/Simon/Hudson and had minimal fun interactions with Finn and Jake
>had minimal fun interactions with Finn
You know why(pic related), any substantial interaction could have made the shitty lesbian subplot look worse than it already was.
If it wasn't such a big part of the show people would care less. At least the hacks let Jake stay in relatively healthy, monogamous relationship. Also, I can't belive that I'm writing that, Tree Trunks and mr.cuck had more consistently and just better written relationship than any of Finn's, with FP included.
The writers changed, and some of them (women) really wanted to turn Bubblegum into some strong, confident, heroic, always right feminist icon action girl and true MC. So her crimes were ignored by simple act of hand-waving.
A background character that had like 2.5 episodes dedicated to her.
She stopped being a character in general and was turned into bubblegum's irrelevant plus one gaybait.
>Jake
>shipped with Finn at all
We are due for another black plague motherfrickers
could be crack fics
Fujos, you know the answer is always fujos
Fujos are based. Also I’m convinced 90% of Cinemaphile are smelly femoids anyway. You all most post in a feminine way. No way there are men out there that care about Steven universe or owl house or hazbin hotel. One of you be my gf please
This board reeks of all natural estrogen. Its especially obvious in the paw patrol or unicorn eternal warriors thread
To be fair it does make it one of the more pleasant boards, less trolling and /misc/esque “it’s cool to hate everything” attitudes. However it becomes less cool when you realise the only female that could ever find herself here is heavily obese and probably bipolar. Also they have shit taste, steven universe fricking sucks, at least stan gravity falls or something like that
No impossible, Cinemaphile women are hot and cool
Well randy was hot, and most of the other attention prostitutes. Though whether you really count them as anons or just generic attention simp seekers is debatable. Sure you can go to /bant/ or /sod/ and see some hot girls (mostly just dick rate threads though) but they’re just looking for attention most of the time. I can only wish that all femcels looked and acted liked tomoko. All the genuine (diagnosed) female autists I’ve known have basically been normalgays though, and even those that were super weird still got boyfriends super easily. Women are a meme
>To be fair it does make it one of the more pleasant boards, less
No it does not. This place is plenty /misc/esque.
You do realize that Hate watchers exist right? I only watch half the cartoons I do so that I can discuss them here, even if they are shit.
Most hate watchers are women
More like most on this board are women
biological or otherwise? Ive crossed paths with more gays on Cinemaphile than women
Biological, even trannies are that obsessed with shipping, shipping and relationship drama in general are the women's equivalent of porn for men
bizarre, I'll never understand them
Bro, do you really think that any women browsing this taiwanese paper-mache imageboard is worthy of being gf material?
They are all a bunch of autists just like us
Do you really think I could ever get a gf that isn’t an equally huge autist to me? As long as she’s not fat or otherwise hideous I’m ok. If anything an autist gf is far preferable, even if some normalgay girl did like me I’d barely be able to talk to her. I’d rather talk to some stinky fujo about her gay haikyuu ship than listen to some normalgay b***hing about how becky didn’t compliment her on her dress
They're either fat, don't wash, or are obsessively attractive and you would be too intimidated to ask them out
Autist women won't want you just because you also like cartoons. They're drawn to powerful personalities like moths to a flame, you can't have a weak and innefectual aura and get a woman
I’d say I have a pretty powerful personality though, although your reply is rather later and Inappropriate. We’re talking about bandit princess now. That said I’m more a
>say what the frick I want and openly do weird shit without a care in the world
Type autist than a
>can’t look anyone in the eye and wet myself at the thought of interacting with a girl
I had plenty of friends in school (..to begin with anyway, I lost them one by one when they began to grow up and I never matured in the slightest, still haven’t) I’m not particularly likeable perhaps but my personality is at the very least “powerful”. Hell I was briefly in the popular clique, mostly for how good I was at basketball
I watch cartoons so when I draw porn of it is in character.
The well's drying up for fujos and they're desparate.
If they’re so desperate they should be my stinky gf
0.7% Ice King
1% Ice King
1% Ice King
Literally who ships them?
>pederasty
I did not know gayreeks watched this show
She's like an angry teenager who can't control her emotions.
PB does her most cruel shit while being in a completely calm headspace.
Not since William S Burroughs has there been such a junkie-minded writer, this Pendleton Ward. The content can be good and the perspective is interesting, but no, God isn’t actually smoking crack and getting burned out to a point of suicide just because your addicted ass is. There are forces besides depressed gamers in denial in the world
Adventure Time is about scars, history having the deepest, and most mysterious of them. its like in Mad Max Fury Road, when that broad tells Chrome Boy that it was their Manifest Destiny to meet. a nihilism born out of something even as beautiful as a burgeoning love. it is quite a depressing state of affairs. Pendleton is a bit of a gay tho.
I dont get it whats the deal with Pendleton Ward?
Pendleton ward left before season 2 was done, my dude.
He was still around until somewhere in season 5. Shit, he was still boarding episodes in season 3 like Dad's Dungeon aka the best adventure episode in the series
He actually left the studio, or rather degraded himself or was degraded to be a distant consultant right after stakes. Yes, after season 5a he stopped being a showrunner but was still developing the show, mainly the movie that was cancelled.
The whole reason of why Marcy started as an important character was because she was supposed to be someone special and important in Finn's life just like PB and even Susan who according to interviews from pic related was planned to be Finn's sister. If Marcy were there to be just another friend she'd be treated like any other random princess or even lsp, yet she wasn't. Yeah, everyone could see that she was turned into Finn's random acquaintance, a FOAF even but that happened unnaturally and abruptly after first half of the show.
>the show itself it never had a chance
It stopped having a chance at the same time as real romance with PB, when someone important from production team finally decided that age gap with a 13 year old is bad for business and too controversial. And then, later on lesbians out of an ass solidified that. Because no, PB wasn't supposed to just lead Finn on either. It was all deliberately ambiguous and open for interpretation, even relationship with HW ended up being like that.
I think in the original concept/pitch Marcy and PB to Finn were supposed to be like Veronica and Betty were to Archie, two friendly rival love interests. But this concept never carried over to the actual show, it was ditched before then. Only PB was a romantic interest (one sided however) and PB and Marcy had very little interaction at all until the episode that gave them their newer dynamic for the show.
>I think in the original concept/pitch Marcy and PB to Finn were supposed to be like Veronica and Betty were to Archie,
Yes you are correct, even though their personalities were never really like Archie's Betty or Veronica. Even early Bubblegum wasn't much of a goody two shoes, or a tomboy at all and early Marcy had more in common with someone like Haruhara, just less chaotic, friendlier and less alien. And the pitch itself was created after the pilot.
>never carried over to the actual show
It did, just briefly and it wasn't really explored, but was shown in Go with me and WWM, after that episode PB and Marcy were supposed to get on friendlier terms again (btw. Finn's song from that episode was way more important than Marceline's one), but neither of them had many significant appearances in season 3 (Marceline neither in 4) and not counting Bad little boy, the fanfiction one that feels like some old leftover idea because love triangle dynamic still kinda exists in Marceline's head for some reason, they didn't even interact until Sky witch. Said episode turned the whole concept on its head and started teasing eternal lesbians. Subtly at the very beginning and later unabashedly obnoxiously. Yet their relationship was still ambiguous enough that any love could have been denied by creators at any time if they'd want to weasel out. Many anons were so in denial, even after Stakes that they chose to believe that PB and Marceline are simply being potrayed as two 'very close friends'.
Yeah people like to claim WWM was the Bubbline catalyst but really I think it was Sky Witch where it really took off. WWM was still mostly a Finn episode and yeah his song was the highlight of the episode. In Sky Witch you directly focused on Marcy and PB together as a duo and you have little details like PB sniffing the shirt Marcy gave her while she has a pic of Marcy taped up in view.
Although that said after Sky Witch they didn't really have any significant interactions until Varmints in season seven followed closely by Stakes, and then nothing much until their moment in the finale.
How was Skywitch the start, when What Was Missing introduced the idea that PB and Marcy were exes that still didn't really get over each other
What was missing put it up as an idea, basically a bit of potential backstory. It was made to be a bit vague so people could interpret it as them being ex girlfriends or ex regular friends (although with Marcy's song for most people it felt like it was leaning towards romantic). But that's all it was, backstory for them. No promise that they'd get back together, as we've seen with Finn x Flame Princess sometimes when characters break up they don't get back together, and at WWM that could have also been the case with PB x Marcy. It was Sky Witch where the two first got their own episode together, revisiting the idea of them being ex-somethings and establishing more of how their relationship works together. It was after this episode I feel where they actually started considering paring them up again, as the next time the two got focus we got Varmints + Stakes which is probably the peak of Bubbline content in the show. Then of course as we know they decided to pair the two together in the finale so people would pay more attention to it.
Yeah, even in Sky Witch the shirt sniffing bit was really the only tease at a romantic connection, the rest is pretty much platonic. It was only in Varmints where you started getting the vibe "oh, I think these two are supposed to have a thing for each other?"
One of the biggest problems about their relationship is that the writers danced around it really all the way up until the finale. It's unclear whether that was done for plausible deniability because they weren't sure if they could get away with showing homosexuality at the time, or whether they were simply indecisive about it (which is totally believable) or some combination of the two. In the end, Bubbline has no arc, it serves no purpose for either character, it's just there as a wink to the fans. I think, at the very least, it could have been done better
Because there's nothing in What Was Missing to imply that the two had dated, just that they were friends and fell out. Interviews with Olivia Olson confirm that this is how at least some of the people working on the show thought of it at the time
>Because there's nothing in What Was Missing to imply that the two had dated
yes....there was. It was pretty obvious that they were more than just friends. The Bubbline shipping was started by that one one episode
A lot of character problems, most notoriously those that plagued Bubblegum and Marceline, were just the direct result of indecisiveness. Not having a clear direction for what the showrunners wanted out of the characters lead to those working on individual episodes not having consistent ideas amongst each other, which in turn essentially caused a starvation of content covering the more interesting characters and dynamics. I'd probably trade about a third of the episodes that covered incidental characters for those that either incorporated more of or even revolved around the main cast, even though there's plenty of episodes featuring one-off characters that I otherwise really like.
Could Bubbline have worked? Maybe, but that's a decision that had to be made relatively early on. Spending the entire show being afraid of picking a direction and sticking with it is how we got what we got, various character and plot resolutions that don't feel earned since there was never any real commitment to building up to any of it. I'd even argue the more egregious examples of lack of setup from lack of commitment leading to a lack of satisfying resolutions would be shit like PB's aforementioned moral dubiousness, Betty, or Finn's arm. Marcy and Bonnie's whole deal is simply a symptom of that larger issue.
Even ignoring her relationship the show made a gag out of her being a cold and calculating monarch. But then when the show started taking it seriously it just kind of kept that aspect of her and just expected you to be cool with it I guess.
This, it felt like they were setting something up with Golliet but it just fizzled away.
Goliad was supposed to have a part in that cancelled movie.
Yeah I remember thinking by the time I quit watching that she was gonna become a villain
Who’s golliet? Nothing comes up when I search them
I assume Goliad, the sphinx that PB made out of her DNA in season 4 in order to be her successor if she ever died but ended up becoming an evil tyrant.
Wasn’t it a boy though
No Goliad was female. Stormo, the Sphinx made out of Finn's DNA was male. (And the closest thing to a Finn x Bubblegum child)
Why isn’t huntress wizard first? Literally the only one he actually would work long time with
Because she's lame and boring
She cute and green and therefore the best. Also she actually likes finn
So did the other girls until the writers decided they didn't.
The other girls aren’t green dumdum
Huntress Wizard has the least screentime, only appearing as a love interest for Finn in the last few seasons and only having 2 and a half episodes about their relationship. So it makes sense that she'd have a pretty low number of fanfics over the years, she has a lot more catching up to do.
This however is pretty surprising, I guess this is where most of the HW x Finn shippers have decided to do their catching up.
I think I agree, although even from the start with PB before she became so explicitly evil I was never a super big fan of that ship. PB always felt too condescending towards Finn, outside of the episode where she herself was a kid she was generally more of an older sister character with Finn being stupid for trying to get with her. Even Marcy was the better older girl option and they didn't have any actual romance between them in the show.
HW coming at the end of the series and not getting enough episodes with her as a prominent character really did her dirty in my opinion. Personally, I could see her being with Finn as the equivalent of Canyon with Billy. Both HW and Canyon are tied to nature, Canyon with her spring/water and HW with the forest, both of them live active adventurous lives already and have their own casual wisdom to them. Although hopefully unlike Billy Finn wouldn't give up and become a NEET in a cave so HW wouldn't get bored and dump him. Regardless, HW definitely needed more screen time to really sell her as a love interest for Finn but I do think she has potential.
Cute, you draw that?
Who the momma? HW?
Yeah, I drew it. I had a dream recently where I saw a new AT special or episode where Finn had a daughter, and she looked like that and was running around the grasslands climbing on trees. I don't remember them saying who the mother was in the dream but judging from the design I assume it was HW.
>getting cartoon shiphomosexualry implanted into your dreams
not sure if that's a blessing or a curse but nice pic man
Funnily enough the dream actually consisted of me seeing a discussion on this board with someone whining about how Finn never got together with someone and had a family, which lead to me "remembering" the special where he actually did have a daughter which of course was just another construct of the dream. So maybe I'm spending too much time here if I am seeing Finn shiphomosexualry in my dreams. But at least it gave me a cute design to draw.
>dreaming about Cinemaphile shitposting
oh my god it's even worse you're doomed
I had a dream about all my former friends (none of which I’ve retained, nor have I made any subsequent ones) gathering around me and laughing. Codeine isn’t cutting it anymore lads, how do I convince my doctor to give me something stronger?
At least she was just a pillow, even I have one of those.. two even. Goose feather and everything
God inspired him divinely through the imageboard
Have her turn into funny cute animals like her mom.
cute
As a love interest, she was introduced last, older characters like Marceline or FP have had many years to get stories about them before HW was relevant, it's honestly pretty impressive she even has that much, I wonder if she'll end up overtaking Bubblegum in the future.
Bubs is hot but her + finn was never going to be a thing. Shippers are delusional. Finn is built for qt bandit princess or canyon. Even barbar is a more convincing ship than bonnibel
Who's Marceline?
...
Oh yeah, the vamp chick. Wow, she really stopped interacting with Finn after a while.
This is for ao3
Based, huntress wizard almost in the lead. Frick flame princess, what a prostitute. Though to be fair the writers fricked her over for no reason
FP, HW, and Finn are given the worst treatment for being in a decent straight relationship with Finn.
Is the straightness the problem though? Treetrunks and mr pig have everything bend over backwards for them. And jake/rainicorn have no opposition either. I think they just hate finn, or maybe think him settling down would mean he does less adventuring or something.
Why the frick do people ship him with Marshall
If you want to see Finn get buttfricked your options for cute boys are dangerously limited.
People ship him with Tiffany of all people, or just make OCs like with that catboyfriend thing. So if you aren't weird enough for grass gay incest a lot of the time people just bring Marshall and Gumball.
I was asking the same thing! But Marshal Lee is hot. And Finn has no other hot gay options besides Prince Gumball
They’re not even in the same universe. Does regular adventure time even have any other hot guys
>Does regular adventure time even have any other hot guys
Sure
a big thing about AT is that Finn is the only prominent young, handsome boy in Ooo. Most other guys are either dorky weirdos or weird dorks or some strange creature thing. Finn is swooned on by all the random princesses because he's the only decent guy left in Ooo apparently, and he's a kid for most of the show.
He's basically a hero janny that saves them for free, that's enough of a reason of why he'd be liked.
Very funny that this images I posted on a whim has spawned a new thread. Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
As a side note, here's the data for both charts.
And then the chart when both websites are combined.
Based pie chartanon
PB was always the hardest to write romance for with Finn, especially in comparison to her direct competition. Ironic that, according to the follow up numbers from at least, she only recently gained popularity, as I suspect the stories in AO3 are generally newer than those in FF. Her numbers now are way higher than they ever were before, akin to HW. Maybe Makima had something to do with that.
A shame, too. I honestly see a lot of potential in the pairing, with a lot of moments of them being supportive of each other in their lowest points, something that the others would have trouble doing. I can't help but think that I mainly prefer her as a somewhat different character to canon (dipping far more into her earlier depiction and either dropping or fully addressing her control freak demeanor and antisocial tendencies), and that I ship that made up version with Finn. But considering how she was overall mishandled as a character, I don't think that's a bad thing. That may misconstrue why I even like her, however.
Honestly I bet there's little focus for actually finding stuff that has PB/Finn and these numbers are strongly bolstered by stories that are Bubbline centric but Finn is also involved. Suppose that would count the same for Marceline stories too.
Its hard to justify with the direction of the later seasons, but there is some point where the logical thing would be for PBs "mask slip" being letting finn in emotionally and relying on him as a man instead of boy adventurer. Could still even do the stronk woman leader and 3deep geopolitical nonsense and make it more difficult for Finn as the viewer insert to square because of the intimate connection to PB as she starts to do morally questionable things for the right reasons. Everything is lesbians and the finn hate by the second halfs writers nuked any enthusiasm to even try and figure out from what point the series could be salvaged by fanworks.
>Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
Anon please, this is Cinemaphilemblr, this board is 70% filled by shipper obsessed women with the rest being a bunch of /misc/gays and shitposters, obviously they will care about their fav ships
Considering it's Ao3, I'm surprised it's 90% hetero
Will HW overtake FP?
Maybe, in time. If enough people care to make more Adventure Time fanfics.
>AO3 votes for Huntress Wizard more than any other site.
Well now I know what the best fanfiction site is, huh.
BUNED
>not canon
You homosexuals are as bad as GRASSEDgays were during rhe final seasons
We will win the live action movie
Wait is that for all fanfiction up till that date or just all fanfiction from this year alone?
Up until that date
She's a creep, a groomer and a literal supervillain on top of being abusive.
I watched AT as a kid translated to arabic and from the start Bubblegum appeared villainous. Although maybe that had something to with the first episodes I watched being the one where the cookie holds up a petrol station and Bubblegum surrounds it and sends finn and jake in and jake sympathizes with the cookie, while the second being one that had a corn soldier making anti bubblegum graffiti and then explaining to finn that bubblegum killed the gumball guards and imprisoned her brother. So that probably soured her for me
I've read a lot of AT fanfics (they're all so shit but like one in 40 is passable and one in 200 is good) and I feel like PB never inspired people with Finn the way other girls did, even if HW only has that small amount (which is surprising) there's several fics with her that are very good. The best Finn/PB one I've ever found just has them be platonic.
I don't know if it's just because when the ship was possible and had a chance of actually happening people thought it was too boring (generic hero and princess pair), then later on when Bubblegum's character changed the ship had no chance of working or happening, meanwhile Bubbline was always much more popular for PB than anyone else. What Was Missing premiered only like a year and a half into the show's run so Finn/PB had relatively little time to make any strong foothold.
I do think Finn/PB is the least good Finn ship but all of them are bad in their own way. HW barely exists, Marceline became boring as frick, FP was always pretty boring and then after the breakup they managed to make her ultra boringer. Despite being Hitler PB is probably the most interesting significant female character in the show, but not really in a way that makes her happy Finnfap material.
HW>Marceline>
>Bubblegum in terms of Finn ships, also basically how it goes with the best fanfics too
I like Finn, but i don't think there's anyone on the list of potential love interests that could have a long lasting relationship because their personal interests and Finn's life of adventure wouldn't really mix very well
>FP is a princes and after her father was overthrown she had to take over
>HW only cares about hunting and protecting her forest
>PB isn't even interested in him
>Marceline is the only one that could keep up with Finn and his adventures but she would probably get bored soon
Bandit princess is built for him if she were slightly less evil
Even though it’s pretty much a crackship I can see the appeal. At the very least i’m surprised BP never made a second appearance considering she’s one of the few characters in the later seasons with SOME personality.
>crackship
I disagree, at least not with my stipulation of her being less evil. Finn is a weirdo fightgay, and so is she. Of course she’s pretty irredeemable in the story and if one of his actual ships worked I wouldn’t even consider them but seeing as they didn’t I do think a milder version of her would work really well with him seeing as he basically dies single (unless we get anymore episodes)
she was boring. but there's a metric ton of characters interesting and fun characters that should have made a second apereance but never did and were relegated to background characters
Canyon deserved an entire season
Billy and Canyon adventures when???
for me it's this loveable c**t
Something I like about her is that she was a b***h but never actually to Finn (they interacted like 2 times but still). I would imagine because Finn being the land's hero is kind of a chad.
It's a funny way to do the alpha b***h character for a cartoon, they're actually sorta nice to the main guy even though he's just a dude while she's a b***h to everyone else
Ugly
If she were a reoccurring character they’d have beautified her. She’s still cute regardless though homosexual
I actually think Bandit Princess was wasted potential, and could have been a lot cooler if she was introduced earlier and was more reoccurring. And I am not talking from a romantic/shipping point of view (although this doesn't discredit that) I just think she'd be a really cool enemy/rival for Finn. Thinking through most of the enemies Finn fights, there are plenty of random one off monsters and some of them use weapons, but what stood out to me with BP is she's essentially a rival swordsman/woman. Finn is an adventurer who goes around with a sword saving people, and she's an adventurer who goes around with a sword harming and stealing from people. There's a natural foil built in there, and allows for more skill based sword fight scenes as a bonus. This isn't to say Finn doesn't have other rivals, there's Tiffany who's more of a gag rival and isn't really close to being his equal in combat, and there's Fern who is literally a copy of Finn mixed with a grass demon so they have their own unique dynamic. But Bandit Princess could have been a good recurring enemy for Finn before all that, and there is definitely some fun irony in how he usually saves princesses but this one he fights.
Also because I feel like it I'll take some draw requests if anyone wants to see anything done. Bandit Princess related or not.
We need more BP art, so I'm humbly requesting BP in a dungeon trying to lockpick a door.
Optional: a monster(s) is sneaking up behind her and she's completely unaware
Sorry for the delay, but here it is. Had to rush some stuff like the shading a bit but hope you still like it. This one was actually really fun, I love Adventure Time dungeon aesthetics.
Nice work! Well worth the wait!
very nice man great monster design
>snail
Very nice
Hey where’s my request. Don’t skimp out on me
I started it, went to sleep, and now I am awake and working on it again. Don't worry it's coming.
Very good, I await eagerly
Zoomzooms disappoint me. At least asphyxiate yourself to death or something. Nu internet challenges are weak, though the dph one was based. We should all strive to uncover the hatman’s secrets, t. Chronic insomniac
I will say reading this whole exchange has made me more disappointed of you than of them
Her dress knot comes undone.
Finn has the Peter Parker curse.
>Her dress knot comes undone.
These requests are getting spicier
Surprised/Embarrassed alt version:
https://files.catbox.moe/ppi1zx.png
Why didn’t you respond to me. Also just draw Finn and bp fricking at this point. Or otherwise them at the ball together with both of them very embarrassed.
Which was your post?
The pink dress one, which I really liked. Also shouldn’t you be asleep based on your previous posting habits. If you’re still taking requests have her go to the ball with a very reluctant Finn. Though we’re approaching bump limit (co is 300 right? Don’t browse here much so maybe it’s 500) so if you do draw it post it in some other adventure time thread
Just woke up. I am busy today so might be a bit delayed unless I go for a simpler style. Also sorry if I've missed any questions or anything like that
What are you busy with? I’ve myself just today had a 12 hour shift where all my equipment was faulty and then suddenly was asked by my b***h boss to complete my entire days work in the last hour with a 40 year old manual method.
>go into stem they said
>it will be good they said
By stem they maths or physics clearly. Biology/chemistry are a joke
God I hate the western world.
Here's something I put together just now for your troubles, hope you like it. No colour though but I think that kinda gives it an atmosphere.
I like how aghast lsp is. Very nice, though Finn looks too happy. He should be mortified he somehow got dragged into this (though secretly is glad he was). Flame princess getting cucked is also very good, never liked her much. Was BP always that big though lol
How about this expression?
>Was BP always that big though lol
Yeah I think she's a little taller than Finn but also remember in this outfit she's wearing high heels which makes the height difference more apparent and Finn more nervous.
Glad you like it
This is much better, thanks. You got a twitter or pixiv or something? And is she really that big? I remember her as a smallish gremlin thing, though been a while since I’ve watched her episodes. Got a day off tomorrow so maybe I’ll rewatch them.
she's around the same size as finn. Probably around the same age as well
Just watched a few seconds of her episode and if anything she’s a couple inches taller than him even without heels. The horns add to it of course but even going by the top of her skull she’s clearly taller. Guess cos she’s female and gobliny looking I remember her as being way shorter. If anything adds to the awkwardness between her and her date, though finn is no stranger to taller women
Finn is closer to the camera here, if you imagine them both with their legs straight she does look a bit taller than him. The horns also contribute to this as well.
Here's another shot
>You got a twitter or pixiv or something
Not at the moment, I may in the future though. I'll also probably still be posting in future AT threads occasionally drawing stuff.
As long as it’s all bandit princess related. Wonder if we’ll get a bandit prince in the fionna and cake series. I also wanna see a sexy female hunson
Lol I love BP although I do think I'll be drawing more characters. I have a couple that have caught my eye.
Like who? Breakfast princess, canyon or huntress wizard are the only acceptable answers.
Canyon, Huntress Wizard, Lizard Princess, Shoko, The fruit witches off the top of my head. You can probably tell I have a type. Breakfast Princess is also pretty good though.
>lizard, fruit
Don’t remember them at all. At least you like bp, hw and canyon though. Canyon has very cute teeth
Makes sense as they have very brief appearances. The fruit witches appear as an obstacle in "Dad's Dungeon" and Lizard Princess appears like twice for a few seconds over the course of the whole show and has no lines. But I find her cute regardless. Might draw her later.
Damn lizzie kissed finn on the lips upon research. Friendship ended with finn x huntress, finn x lizard is my new ship. Also wtf is that scene
Also you got the full pic from earlier with the updated Finn? I need it for my bandit princess wall
Here ya go
Thanks man, I appreciate all the free art. Their respective expressions are hilarious
>Jake 2.3%
>Ice King 0.7%
Only zoomies and grifters give two shits about HW
>grifter
what, am I trying to convince people to pay for my HW Patreon where I talk about her combined 14 minutes of screentime. What the frick are you talking about dude people who like HW just want Finn to frick someone sexy
>sexy
Is this a joke? Her design is basic af
bro this is the cartoon where 95% of the characters are literally 🙂
HW has detailed eyes and shit which gives her more than nearly every other character, plus her outfit is more interesting than nearly everything Bubblegum or Marceline ever wore
Generic ranger outfit kek.
Ah yes as opposed to Bubblegum's amazing and captivating boring as frick looking princess dress.
if you can't acknowledge that it's above most of the other looks for female ladies in this show then you're just silly. it's not the best looking shit ever but think in relative terms guy
Huntress wizard liked him without some ulterior motive, or without freaking out over something every five minutes like fp. Bonnie or marcy obviously would never work, and while fp definitely could have the writers fricked that over for some reason. Really by the end huntress was the only ship left so I don’t understand why so many are against it, perhaps she wouldn’t have been the premier choice if she’d been equal among the others when introduced but when she did fisnlly become a proper character every other ship had thoroughly been shut down whether fairly or not
Many are against it because by that point they got tired of Finn’s continuous romantic failures and thought this would repeat with HW through some half assed break up like with FP. There’s really no reason to give a shit about Finn’s romantic life if it’s destined to end up in failure at every turn. This show would’ve been far more enjoyable if Finn never crushed on anyone.
Probably true, they should have left it at fp really, or at the very least hw - preferably coming before fp if it was intended to be the final pairing, three failures in a row is pretty gay even if they were mostly fan based - off a pubescent Finn’s dick’s decisions - and entirely one-sided. Still while not entirely unrealistic it was a little repetitive and baity. They should have just gone with either fp or hw and stuck with it (preferably hw, fp is ugly)
>(preferably hw, fp is ugly)
>ugly
You better take that back
Ug
Why is she so cute
Clearly you’ve never left this board femoid. Post bellybutton
Draw her in a pink frilly dress looking really embarrassed
Here you go, hope you enjoy.
While I've been drawing BP stuff I've actually been coming up with hypothetical episode ideas for her if she had been introduced as a recurring character much earlier in the series. I've already got like two general plots outlined.
I did something like that where.she shows up in City of Thieves but it involves her crown getting stolen which is why she is shown never wearing it. She's a legit princess, but since she lost her crown to another thief, it was such a great humiliation that she was kicked out of the kingdom
Wasn't super satisfied with the pose or level of embarrassment so here's an alt version
Yeah tying her to the City of Thieves is a good idea, I love that location (as is pretty nostalgic for me as its one of the earliest episodes I remember watching) and wish they have revisited it at some point. BP could even be related to the dead king of thieves maybe.
Cute!
Now draw her being led on a leash to the royal ball by tuxedo Finn..
Hot
Very cute, thank you anon. First is her embarrassed by the dress, second is her realising she’s the only one without a date. I guess I could go with her, not cos a l-like her or anything.. what storylines have you come up for her?
>spoiler
careful, this dog bites
OR here, thanks a lot, I love this lmfao
hope she's had all her shots
>FP is ugly
Shut up Ice King
Based and flamepilled
Cringe and bluepilled
Who's Marshall Lee
Marceline but girls don't have to worry about being gay while fantasizing about her
Marceline but for women. Did you even watch the series?
Bubs is sexo, as is huntress wizard. And also Marcy. FP is meh, but I won’t fault some for finding her.. ahem.. hot. Canyon is obviously the sexiest however, those teeth are beautiful.. and that size.. imagine.
the sexiest thing that ever happened with PB was how she didn't have shoes on in that one dungeon episode where she had short hair.
not a footgay, that was just interesting for her in terms of design tbh
frick, FP not PB
That's her best design, pure cuteness
Fake fan detected. Beginning purge.
Who’s Marshall Lee is this from those special episodes that came out recently
It's the genderswapped version of Marceline from Fionna fanfiction world
Ohhh I always tuned out of those episodes thanks anon
Don’t feed the newbie moron, at the very least give a vague cryptic answer.
Oh frick off who actually liked the genderswapped episodes.
I haven't for like a decade but I always thought the very first one did a great job at making fun of fanfiction while also being a pretty fun regular episode. Even if it was flaming dogshit the Ice King twist would redeem it
Good point. Ice king usually made things better. I miss the guy.
I always skipped them when I first watched the show as I was watching for Finn and Jake not Fionna and Cake. Although I did decide to watch them recently when rewatching the series, especially with the Fionna and Cake continuation coming out in the near future. Still not the biggest fan of the eps but yeah the Ice King parts could at least be fun.
Tbf coomers did, however they don't watch the series and just fap this is why the upcoming spin-off will fail
>no Bronwyn
fake and gay
Very true and accurate statement.
I demand (pretty please) piechartanon to check if Bronwyn X Finn exists.
I don't even care if it's explicitly romance or if it's more family relationship oriented. I just wonder if people made stuff with those two or not.
Imagine the adorable situations of Finn being sort of like a surrogate dad to Bronwyn.
>Reddit spacing
>Literally not just making a chart yourself in excel or google-docs with the data I posted here
Very funny that this images I posted on a whim has spawned a new thread. Cinemaphile really does care about shipping.
As a side note, here's the data for both charts.
>not just going on AO3 and getting the number of fics with their search function.
the adorable situations of Finn being sort of like a surrogate dad to Bronwyn.
and you'll have to keep imaging them because there's zero fics like that. Write them yourself you hussy.
I AM NOT A REDDITOR
TAKE IT BACK YOU MEANIE
DONT MAKE ME SAY MEAN THINGS TO YOU ILL CRY IF YOU DO
On a more serious note, yea I totally could take some time out to maybe write an outline for a possible story. might be fun who knows.
stop using reddit space, b***h
>Reddit Spacing
It doesn't exist, it's all in your head, Anon. They're living rent free in your head.
I was copying the ships from this
chart. FF.net has literally zero fics of them, and AO3 has seven. But because a lot of people don't tag their stuff properly the charts are probably off a few numbers.
I'm a big dog niece incest chad but there's only like, 2 not even big fanfics for them. Sadly the only place to get satisfying grunkle fricking is porn
Tbh the pr0n's only like half the fun.
with the fics you get to see cute setups and see stuff play out.
Maybe if art chads and story chads teamed up they could make webcomics about it.
Sadly we may never get more good bronwyinn content than we already have. am sadge
You look like the kind of Person who has a really weird fetish but is delusional about it and thinks everyone shares it.
(OP)
>Why is Bubblegum so hated.
Evil b***h.
Despot.
Autistic.
Treats Finn like shit.
Breaks into Finns house to steal his treasure.
Spies on and attacks other nations.
Hypocrite. Will attack Fire Kingdom for having giant Robots, while having Giant Robots in her own Kingdom. Only Bubblegum is allowed to have WMD's.
>Jake
Even before the whole tyrannical angle was explored with PB that scene on the hilltop after Too Young was wild from PB's perspective. Like, sure you don't like Finn, but he's a kid you use regularly for errands and favors and science experiments. The least you could do is empathize and let him down easy.
Eh, I feel like Huntress would work better as Yoru.
This is the type of fan fiction that would rival both.
Bandit princess is a better power though. Marcy would be more of a yoru (in the beginning anyway, and yoru is probably going to soften up over the series)
>AdventureTimeStudios, 3:30 AM
>A dark corner
>Pendleton Ward is scribbling away
>He has finished, at long last, the full story for theAdventureTimemovie
>It's not perfect, nothing ever is, but it's as close to the memories of his tabletop games and comic books that motivated him to make that fateful pilot episode years ago
>The story is simple enough, Finn fights the Ice King to save Peebles, and then contends with the Lich. The structure is effective, but it's in the humor where the film truly shines
>Suddenly, the door to Pen's office bursts open
>He is blinded as light fills the room
>Jesse Moynihan, Steve Little, Somvilay Xayaphone, and even Rebecca Sugar walk into the office
>Pen has not heard from them in months
>He hasn't seen Rebecca for years
>"W-what's up, guys?", he asks, a mix of fear and hope in his voice
>"We heard you finished the movie, Pen.", Little says, an eerie smile on his face
>"We wanted to offer feedback.", Moynihan chips in
>Ward clenches his teeth. "There's- there's no need for that, guys."
>"Oh, I insist.", Jesse says, and snatches the 500 storyboards from Pen's hand as he takes out a bright red sharpie.
>"This is no good at all.", Xayaphone says, as he crosses off a picture of the Gumball Guardians and replaces them with Betty.
>"This plot point is too direct. You need to be more experimental and philisophical with your ending.", Moynihan mutters as he tears the final story board of Finn killing the Lich into pieces.
>"I like this panel.", Rebecca Sugar says, as she holds up a picture of Finn kissing Princess Bubblegum as Marceline cheers them all.
>"But it would work even better if you switched Finn with Marceline, don't you agree?"
>"N-no I- I don't agr-" Pen starts to mutter.
>He is met not with glares, but looks of incredulity.
>"Y-yes, you're right.", Pen says
>"I- I just wanted anAdventure, but maybe... maybe that's not what kids want. Go ahead and make the changes.
>AND YOU COULD HAVE IT ALL
>MY EMPIRE OF DIRT
>"I like this panel.", Rebecca Sugar says, as she holds up a picture of Finn kissing Princess Bubblegum as Marceline cheers them all.
"But it would work even better if you switched Finn with Marceline, don't you agree?"
*"But it would work better if you switched Bubblegum with Marceline, don't you agree?"
Get your Rebecca Sugar impressions right.
>Sugargays still think she seriously shipped Finnceline even tho everything else is pointing out to Bubbline
Lmao
Imagine getting cucked out of your own show. He scared me off from letting other people work on my creative endeavors with me
I feel for him. He had the best show on the network. His only frickups were letting Rebecca "Dyke" sugar work with him and the other degenerates.
>Muh rebecca sugar
Sugar made a terrible show but she wasn't the one responsible for AT going to shit. That all happened after she left the show.
>Oh but she implied that marcy and PB had a past together which lead to bubbline taking over the show!
You never watched the show, you just saw they kissed in the finale and jumped to a conclusion. If you did watch the show you'd know PB and Marcy have only a handful of episodes together.
>What was missing in S3 (the only one sugar worked on),
>Sky witch in S5
>Varmits in S7
>Some parts of the Stakes miniseries in S7
>Their two to three moments in the finale.
You know what Sugar actually significantly introduced with Marcy's character? Her father/daughter relationship with Simon. A distinctly not lesbian relationship. And you know what else she went out of her way to introduce? Finn and Flame Princess, the distinctly straight relationship. Only for the writers to break them up after she had left and had no more influence.
So if you hate Simon and Marcy and Finn and Flame Princess pre-breakup, then you'd have reason to blame Sugar for the show being bad. But most fans actually liked those things and didn't really consider them when the show went downhill.
She was responsible for the Bubblegum x Marceline thing. Look it up.
I don't need to look it up, I literally mentioned the episode she introduced the idea of the two of them having a history together. But when you actually look at all her contributions, that's clearly one she comparatively wasn't very invested in. One episode by her, that didn't try to hook the two of them up, just implied they could be exes. It was people who came after her who decided to introduce them getting back together again. Compare this one episode to all the other episodes she worked on:
>The Real You
A Finn x Bubblegum episode that ends in her kissing him
>It Came from the Nightosphere and Daddy's little monster
Two episodes exploring Marceline's family separate from anything Bubblegum related
>Mortal Folly
Finn's love (well power of "liking someone a lot") for PB helps him defeat the Lich
>Morituri Te Salutamus
A classic adventure episode with a cool setting that reinforces Finn and Jake's friendship and brotherhood.
>Incendium
>Hot to the Touch
>Burning low
All episodes about Finn x Flame Princess, a straight ship.
>I remember you
>Simon and Marcy
Episodes exploring Simon and Marcy's relationship
>Bad little boy
An episode that ships Marcy's male counterpart with Finn's female counterpart.
So look at all this, and you think her focus was on Marcy x PB, which she only wrote one episode for and they weren't even the focus of the episode? You'd think if she actually had some dyke agenda she'd actually have more episodes of them together instead of focusing on these characters having relationships with other characters or making straight ships happen.
Nice meme, but Pen wasnt forced out of AT, in fact he was cool with letting the other staff pretty much do whatever they want.
He voluntarily handed over control because directing the show was too stressful for him.
It was stressful because he had a bunch of raging gayots trying to ruin his show.
Nope, he was ok with letting said homosexuals add their ideas. He even supported bubbline in What Was Missing
More like he was forced at gunpoint, he knew that he would be blacklisted if he didn't let "the first israeli women creator" Lauren Zuke'd his show and bailed out when he saw things coming
Nobody forced him to do shit. He said himself being director of AT wasn't cut out for him, and he handed the reigns over to Adam Muto voluntarily.
None of the shit you brought up phased him at all, and he supported the changes to PB and Marceline 100%. Get a grip
Both of you are talking out your ass, Either he threw it all away and didnt care or They pressured him into ruining it, what does it matter?
It matters to them because it justifies their victim complex. If he was forced, then they get to feel justified in believing there is some malicious plot to usurp "white" males like themselves and Pen and replace them with women and lesbians. If Pen willingly let other people take control and is chill with the women and lesbians then their worldview starts to crumble. And since they've wasted so many good years of their life believing that crap they really want it to be the case, even if they act like its a bad thing.
There is no grand conspiracy behind it.
The Rolling Stone interview Pen did a long time ago pretty much explained it. The guy was fresh out of college and basically caught lightning in a bottle entirely by accident with AT. He had zero leadership skills and wasn't emotionally or mentally prepared for the amount of work it took of running a series.
>the stinkyfoot finnceline art imgur album is 404'd
https://imgur.com/a/ZxDlr
b-bros...
adventure time has done irreversible damage in our timeline.
i wish it was wiped off the face of reality
she started off as this princess peach character and then got """"developed""" into this horrid miserable b***h of a character who only received a pass for being a carpet muncher. AT was killed by shipgays and now that's all that's left. going back to the early seasons is so disorienting because its an entirely different series compared to what it devolved into.
>then got """"developed"""
Since season 1 she was meant to be a little bit of an arrogant, overconfident haughty b***h but not straight up some immortal orwellian dictator
>going back to the early seasons
Funny, when it was earlier seasons that had the biggest amount of shipping warfare. Seasons 6, 8 and 9 had barely any romance or pseudo romance outside of a few episodes.
Mate, first of all you are giving sucrose too much credit, she was just a storyboarder, a newbie at that. She wrote songs and dialogue but it wasn't her decision of how the story or characters would develop at large.
>Mate, first of all you are giving sucrose too much credit, she was just a storyboarder, a newbie at that. She wrote songs and dialogue but it wasn't her decision of how the story or characters would develop at large.
Yes, and that only further proves my point. She did work as a writer/storyboarder on these episodes and had an influence on what happened in an episode because it was a storyboard driven show. This doesn't mean however that she has the power to influence the show to the degree that people are claiming she had. Which means she can't possibly be the one to blame for Adventure Time going shit.
So there are two options, either she did have a lot of control but then didn't actually contribute much Bubbline to the show as you can see from the episodes she worked on, or she doesn't have much control at all which means she couldn't have been the one who strong-armed Bubbline into being the endgame ship. That's why people who just assume she's responsible for it annoy me, because it makes no sense and reads like people who know very little about the show b***hing for the sake of b***hing about lesbians and the Steven Universe creator.
>strong-armed Bubbline into being the endgame ship.
There was no need for strong-arming anything, neither Muto nor rest of crew members that stayed or got hired later and "developed" the show were against it.
>"lolz so random holds up the epic bacon spork of awesomeness" humor
That was more of a cratoon network thing just wanting another flapjack and straight up discarding more serious pitches early on but you still got episodes like ocean of fear even at the very beginning of the show.
>seasons 1 to 3 are the most adventure focused seasons of the series
Alongside 8, the one with two miniseries
arrogant and overconfident is worlds apart from feminist Big Brother. Its depressing how much the show diverged from its humble beginnings as it went on. I disagree that the early seasons had much shipping warfare. If anything the majority of seasons 1 to 3 are the most adventure focused seasons of the series. the most shipping you get is when finn meets with bubblegum or marceline and you get the vibe he's horny for them.
>no love for jungle princess
frick this gay earth
Don't mind me, just posting best girl
This show exists on a spectrum with early seasons being filled with "lolz so random holds up the epic bacon spork of awesomeness" humor and later seasons being filled with pretentious writing and mind-numbing relationship drama.
Somewhere in the middle there's a few episodes that are both fun and interesting, but not nearly enough for the attention the show got.
I agree completely. Its an oddity unlike any other. Its crazy that the series even still has a fanbase. Its hard to recover any fondness I once had for it after season 5. It took a considerable decline in quality for years.
>Its crazy that the series even still has a fanbase
That's because AT along with Regular Show and Gravity Falls are the lasts cartoons that were truly popular with all demographics
That being said, in contrast to the other 2, what's left of AT's fanbase is too damn split, there's a clear divide between ATgays that like the first seasons and NuATgays, Bubbline/Dykegays, different shipgays, people that just hate PB and so on, this is something that doesn't happen with let's say RS's fanbase where almost everyone agrees that the relationship eps are trash and the final season is the weakest
I forgot to add, the legacy of AT and its sibling series is kind of interesting in retrospect as nobody discusses them anymore. I cant recall the last time I heard any mention of bravest warriors. Puppycat got a reboot and somehow still didnt find an audience outside of that initial 2012-2015 boon of popularity.
>Jake 2.3%
>fujos
Are hot
>YWN have a manipulative bandit gf
Pain.
FP canonically marries a pastry over Finn
Finn marries a pillow
That was a dream.
Why was he dreaming about pillow chicks though? He must have a thing for them even in the real world. Finn x lsp confirmed
>FP [Headcanon garbage]
see the thing is that FP/Cinnamon Bun was never actually a romantic ship, but it would've been funny if it was because getting knocked up by a 30+ year old moron is a fitting fate for a bad character like Flame Princess
What’s with this shake meme. Don’t know if it’s an adventure time specific thing but I’ve seen some reference to “shake” mentioned multiple times across this board. Indulge an Cinemaphilenon that doesn’t come here that often
its a tiktok meme, it has nothing to do with AT.
You didn’t explain it though. And is this board really so homosexualy to be influenced by tiktok? Musically was based at least cos they didn’t give a crap about all the jailbait content
you can't seriously be this autistic
Anon.. I browse Cinemaphile. And am I autistic for my jailbait comment or because I don’t know some zoomie tiktok meme? Only thing that came up when I searched it was mcdonalds grimace. Far beyond the time of anyone on tiktok. Stop being vague and explain it to me homosexual
>ppl drink grimace shake
>spooky/weird thing happens
Thats literally it.
Really, you proudly claiming disability then trying to shame others in the same ten minutes puts you so much lower than whatever you’re trying to say
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https://twitter.com/GarbageHomo/status/1673446438062137353
just a meme. twitter's having a field trip day with it.
Because she is a shitty person. She ruined a wedding because she felt that her authority wasn't acknowledged, so she breaks and enters, and throws everyone is jail when she is proven wrong.
What I don’t understand is why marcy is so high. She’s a good character, one of, if not the best character on that list. But she doesn’t really go with finn, nor is it ever really hinted at as far as I can remember. She’s very much a “cool older sister” type character. And bonnie may as well be an alien to finn except for when she gets e-girled briefly. So anyway finn is made for bandit princess
I don't ship Marcy and Finn either, but can get why people do. Marcy is that cool older sexy (they say it in the show) girl who many people fantasise about being in a relationship when they themselves were Finn's age. So the ship sort of fulfils that wish fulfilment. What I don't get are people who think they should have been endgame, or that Marcy was "stolen" from Finn when the two never had romantic interest in each other and even had an episode establishing that fact.
True.
She was flirty to Finn a few times in the early seasons, they had fun chemistry, and she was one of the most popular (and sexy) characters so people wanted to see her get with the protag.
I think most people acknowledge it would never happen especially since both characters say as much as early as season 2 but that doesn't change how it was a very well liked ship back in the day.
>What I don’t understand is why marcy is so high
Early seasons stuff and the impact her episodes made, she also had a lot of potential because of her personality, interests, background and "lore" importance. She was supposed to be a curious globetrotter, yet the show forced her to stay in the cave, especially later on, a thrill seaking adventurer yet the show basically never let her go to any adventure, someone with close connection to humanity, yet the show never allowed her to reconnect in any way. All that untapped potential was also something that was relatively easy to work with. Even though Marceline as a character pretty much peaked in Henchman/Go with me and it was all downhill from there.
>since both characters say as much as early as season 2
That is a bit of a misunderstanding of both their characters from early on. Marcy was supossed to keep others at safe emotional distance, that's why she's fine with kissing but any romance, and Finn was supossed to be confused and easily embarrassed, in that same episode he directly tells Jake that he doesn't want to kiss PB but the way he speaks and the way it's animated are what supposed to tell you the truth. Yeah, it's vague and it's not like it mattered in the long run.
>but any romance
not with any*
Finn's crush on PB has been blatant and obvious since the pilot, and got increasingly more obvious with each new season. Meanwhile Finn never had any crush on Marcy he just blushed when she teasingly kissed him and stuff. His big revelation in Go With Me is that Marceline is the best person to take on a date to the movies because she's already his bro and if he got to take any (and PB is unavailable) then it's gotta be her.
But not any indication in any of that that Finn actually has a crush on Marcy. I say this as someone who also likes Finnceline, in the show itself it never had a chance.
She is obnoxious. Her know it all personality, her voice. Not surprised she is hated.
you can shit on PB all you want but don't trash talk Hynden Walch you b***h I'll kill you
If you phrased this the other way I’d respect this regardless of whether I agreed, but protecting a 3dpd while accepting the abuse of a beautiful 2d princess.. what the frick is wrong with you?
Hynden is qt PB is Dyke Hitler
3D>2D in this case
more dyke Mengele than dyke Hitler really
Peppermint Butler compelled her to frick Cinnamon Bun.
Fionna>Bubblegum
>Why is bubblegum so hated?
If I were to guess based on my limited knowledge of the show:
1. Too smart to be relatable
2. Not enough drama surrounding her life to make her a compelling character
3. Subverted expectations too much and playing with the audience emotions too hard regarding her relationship with Finn
>1. Too smart to be relatable
Peter Parker
>2. Not enough drama surrounding her life to make her a compelling character
She has it. How she responds to it and gets away with her actions makes her despicable.
>3. Subverted expectations too much and playing with the audience emotions too hard regarding her relationship with Finn
That’s the problem with the show. Not with her in particular.
Huntress Wizard has a fat deer tail
This is Finn’s literal mysterious dream girl
She’s not mysterious. She’s familiar.
She’s mysterious because we don’t know her sad and gay backstory like everyone else
So does Finn. For what they both know, they’re better off never knowing the truth.
This girl is less mysterious than FP and PB. That’s part of the reason why she isn’t a ticking time bomb of bullshit.
HW is the most astroturfed female in the show
She has a cool design, I remember thinking it be cool to see more of her when I first noticed her as a background character, so it was cool we got what we got.
finn self-inserters. one part of them hate not only for not end up with finn but also being mean with him (like sakura in naruto) other part hates her because their waifu was marceline and ruined the ship between both
PB is a literal detestable villain. FP, CBun, and Marceline aren’t hated whatsoever by your supposed “Finn self-insertors”. They’ve quickly moved on to HW, but they get constantly reminded of how fricking evil PB is in every season. Including, her harming and killing newly beloved character.
Finngays have a right to despise the most evil character in adventure time. It doesn’t fricking help how Prince Bubblegum is a notably better person than this crazy, controlling b***h.
>They’ve quickly moved on to HW
finnceline threads say otherwise
I think those are mostly fuelled by Marceline coomerism
A03 exploded.
only NuATgays care about HW
She’s so cool
marceline breeds bonnibel nightly while finn watches from his cuckshed
>yuritrannies vs self insert seethers
Is there a more pathetic fanbase than adventure time?
There's an entire containment board dedicated to them. Have you not seen the fricking sights?
She rebuffed Finn multiple times and it was obvious that she was Finn's first interest. le unrequited luv
I like this fanon that they're her sisters or aunts or something, it's neat how similar they look, but I'm sure it's just coincidence because they're not identical. I assume HW is supposed to be the equivalent of the water nymphs, only with plants.
What I hate most of all is that the show makes an effort early on to show that she is flawed and unethical, but it seems like its only manifested into either being played for laughs or swept under the rug to make her appear more girlboss.
That's because she became the writers' pet
idk
>it’s mating season Finn
bum
bum 2
>Shipping Finn with his brother and ruining their wholesomeness
I hate homosexuals.
>I hate fujos
Ftfy
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Yeah she's cute
She’s a version of Finn that PB would willingly frick.
Stupid question about writing. About Incendium, basically Jake tries to make Finn get over PB by introducing him to another girl, correct? But how would you turn the premise of Finn getting over PB without the need of a new girl? Something along the lines of reminding Finn what's important and whatnot.
Im writing something with a similar direction and I want to hear you guys mess around with that idea.
It's not impossible to imagine that Finn would get over his immediate Incendium tantrum, and then over time get over his PB lovesickness in general. Finn had a pretty sizable crush on PB but he was just 12 so he's being a kid who barely knows what love is and is dealing with these stressful emotions for the first time, if Jake slapped enough sense in him abut other fish in the sea yada yada he would be fine soon enough.
And unless Jake hatched Plan Find Finn A b***h he would never even know who FP is nor met her, so that would have avoided that issue entirely. RIP to her spending her life rotting in that cage I guess.
It would have taken some time, and could have affected his relationship with PB in some interesting ways I can't entirely come up with on my own at the moment, but it would've happened most likely.
I actually think Finn and Jake would've liberated her eventually just to Piss off FK but it would much later in the show
But how could Finn find an actually normal girl to date then?
Lesbians aren't as popular as you think
And how could it be?
>thread is still up
Cinemaphile really loves shipping, huh?
>no Mona Lisa
What happened to him? Did he got permabanned by the mods?
>Ice king 0.7%
Cinemaphile wizard
Remember the time how she used to be a background character?
Now she’s best girl. Well at least because Marceline, PB, and FP got ruined and lost their charm.
man, the boarding in this episode was so garbage, probably the worst in the entire series. And why? It's not like Kim and Xayaphone were new
Yeah, it was pretty cool how they could take a background character and make them so prominent like that. Sometimes when the show focused on random incidental characters it could be hit or miss, but I really enjoy Huntress Wizard's moments in the show. She was definitely one of those background characters I really liked the design of and wanted to see more of before they brought her back in Flute Spell.
On this subject, what are some random obscure background characters that you like which didn't ever get a chance in the spotlight or become elevated to a recurring cast member. Could be a character for their design or theme, or something they did in their brief appearance, etc.
I want more of the gunther dinosaur
How are they as roommates?
What does she smell of? What’s she like in bed?
she smells like a pinecone and sleeps like a log
Erotic
24/7 knotting
But.. she’s a girl. Unless you mean jake is getting involved
..where is jake grabbing
Their hips
She has proven time and time again that she'd make a better final antagonist than Gumbald. And I also don't think that GOLB can be considered an actual character at all.
But that would have just been Chainsaw Man. Which given Chainsaw Man's popularity might not have been a bad idea.
As if adventure time isn’t plenty popular. Plotholima is a shit character anyway
>how does her power work?
>shrug
>why does darkness want her head
>shrug
>why is she so interested in chainsaw man
>cos like she’s such a fanboy she uhh tries her hardest to kill him and kill all his friends… yeah
>why does she require sacrifices for her bullshit long distant kills
>cos uhh, she just does stop asking questions
Such writing, much wow. Part 2 is better because she’s largely absent aside from the occasional unfortunate cameo. Seriously fujo get over your pet character.
If she was the main villain, would Marceline still side with her?
Marcy is hardly the most moral gal around. She softens up over the series but just to watch her introductory episode
Marcy is still free spirited and chaotic so if PB went full lawful evil she’d oppose her
She's a tyrannical dyke b***h
How many kids did they have?
At least one here
Because she's a psychopathic dyke?
>Control freak that should of been an antagonist at some point
>Turned her into a lesbian that's always right
I wonder why.
How does Finn deal with HW during her mating season?
Presumably leaves her alone while the bees get to work.