Why is capeshit so obsessed with this boring ass idea?
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It allows them to dredge up nostalgia bait, and it's gimmicky in that you can pull out a bunch of variations on different characters at any moment. Probably means lots of merchandise to make, in the case of the MCU.
Personally, I was always more interested in reading stories centered on the weird AU characters in their universe, than I was in seeing them crossover with the normal versions in a big summer event. DC and Marvel advertising the multiverse so heavily feels funny when their publishing line up is almost all set in the vanilla universe except for maybe some out-of-continuity Batman books.
From a merch standpoint, it's amazing. Your average toyline has the main character, the bad guy, then the rest of the cast who barely mmatters to kids. now the rest of the cast who barely matters are variants of the main character so people still want them. there are zero spider-verse toys in any store around me. whereas there are plenty of figs of the non- Star Lord GOTG characters.
>nostalgia bait
Do zoomers really? These characters are all already 50 years old how is capeshit not instantly nostalgia bait? What's next bringing Iron-Man back for Infinity War was nostalgia bait? Grow the frick up
It's not so much about the characters but the actors. Patrick Stewart in Dr Strange 2 for example. Maybe nostalgia is the wrong word but it's about seeing the actor again. The studios think this draws in audiences, which it sometimes does but isn't paying off as much now.
Why not use him though?
It's called fanservice
>>What If and Elseworlds stories that explore an interesting alternate set-up in a single issue or, even better, a miniseries (e.g. Gotham by Gaslight, 1602)
The only downside of that is most What If stories turn into grimdark bullshit partway through. The premise is almost always "What if X died and everything got fricked"
Not always though
I think that's more down to editorial making sure that mainline 616 looks like the best possible universe, and the worst of that sort of approach doesn't happen too frequently iirc
If people buy into it, that gives them the license the endlessly retell the same stories over and over again with slight changes and still make bank, like the story version of NFTs
i just like seeing reprisals. i know its usually not great but eh.
Because it's objectively not boring, it's just oversaturated, so your contrarianism is kicking in. When Japan gets more into it, you'll love it again.
>Because it's objectively not boring, it's just oversaturated, so your contrarianism is kicking in.
This. The only people I've seen always going "Multiverses were always bad" were always dunning-kruger midwits
Multiverses were a thing since the 80s, only now are morons pretending that exploring alternate possibilities is a bad thing.
It was a thing since at least the 60s but you're right, midwits reacting to shit like Rick and Morty and modern entertainment hackery automatically think multiverses are a bad thing just because modern entertainment hackery infected their thinking
Cape comics exploring alternate universes, alternate timelines, and alternate outcomes to important events has led to a lot of quality stories.
Cape movies aren't doing that. They're exploring "what if this hero teamed up with alternate versions of himself?" or "what if we use the multiverse as an opportunity for cameos from older movies? What if we keep doing this after we've done the cameos people would actually be excited about and have cameos from the old movies that weren't that popular in the first place? And keep on doing this for years?"
Even the What If? cartoon is more concerned with doing what if character A was actually character B, like What If Black Panther was Star-Lord? or What If Peggy Carter was Captain America? than actually exploring alternate outcomes of the stories we knew.
is probably right that they think a Secret Wars multiverse movie is going to surpass Endgame, but in the 2020s most people don't even care about 90% of the characters Disney got from Fox. Hell, most people didn't care for any of them but Wolverine or Deadpool in the last two decades either.
>Cape movies
have a nice day contrarian. Millions of people love cape movies.
>loving things
>enjoying anything
>being happy
SHIGGY DIGGY PIGGLY WIGGLY
kramerholdingatennisracket.bmp
oh yeah ? well billions of people are worthless losers with 8 to 9 h jobs
They don't love most of the movies Disney is going to be using Muh Multiverse to reference. Getting Tobey back as Spider-Man was the biggest thing they could possibly do, the one thing normies would care about the most, and they've already done that. Nobody cares about getting back the old Fantastic Four, Daredevil or any of the other X-Men who aren't Wolverine or Deadpool. They're spending years and multiple movies on repeatedly doing something that's going to have diminishing appeal.
Box office proves you're a lying gayget
Of the Marvel/Sony multiverse movies so far, the only ones that haven't flopped are the Spider-Man ones, and for the live action one it's an indictment of MCU Peter that everyone would rather see the old ones with the old villains that actually had personality.
multiverse is just stupid fricking concept and I've really yet to see a single piece of media use it in a compelling way. Its not like they're exploring scientific concepts or anything novel. Its just a crutch to justify shitty writing, every time.
Ok Midwit
Honey you're reading capeshit, not shakespeare. You're not a genius for reading Bizarro Superman 5: This time he's Black and Pa Kent left him when he was a baby.
If you really cared about reading Shakespeare you wouldn't be hear crying about multiverses, midwit
If multiverse was a worthwhile concept you wouldn't be this insecure about it kid. But go ahead, please tell us all about how its totally not a shitty writing crutch and you need a big brain to grasp it.
>Honey you're reading capeshit, not shakespeare. You're not a genius for reading Bizarro Superman 5: This time he's Black and Pa Kent left him when he was a baby.
>If multiverse was a worthwhile concept you wouldn't be this insecure about it kid. But go ahead, please tell us all about how its totally not a shitty writing crutch and you need a big brain to grasp it.
Lol, a lot of copium words to say you're a peak midwit
>i-its not shit because I say it isn't! You're just not smart enough to understand!
lel
I love making you comic nerds insecure about the toilet paper you pretend is high art.
>I love making you comic nerds insecure about the toilet paper you pretend is high art.
I love making midwits cope and seethe like this.
>Multiverses were always bad
>Honey, you think it's le capeshit is le shakespeare
>heh, you're insecure, kid
>but please, go ahead
>you like the multiverse, you're insecure
>le comics are le toilet paper, not high art for midwits like myself
Peak midwit-level insults
>If multiverse was a worthwhile concept you wouldn't be this insecure about it kid
NTA but dude, people get super defensive over anything in media. Saying that a framing device isn't worth it because some fan gets a bit autistic means that everything ever isn't worth it.
>If multiverse was a worthwhile concept you wouldn't be this insecure about it kid.
Is this the true power of contrarians? Being unable to form basic fricking arguments?
He's only proving
correct
We're not the one making a thread about it. We're just enjoying good movies and series
Infinite multiverse has always been bad. It both completely removes the stakes from any story, and is also always written by brainlets who don't really comprehend what an infinite multiverse is.
The only time a multiverse story is good is when the number of alternate universe is limited to a manageable number. 10 or less different universes existing or something. That's the only way for a multiverse story to actually have stakes.
>The only time a multiverse story is good is when the number of alternate universe is limited to a manageable number. 10 or less different universes existing or something. That's the only way for a multiverse story to actually have stakes.
Dragon Ball Super did this but the multiverse ended up being underutilized and the arc where there should be stakes felt like there was none
And at the end it showed there were no stakes
There actually were some stakes. Zeno said he wanted someone nice to use the DBs to revive all the universes or else he was going to get so outraged at their selfishness that he was going to delete everything. Think that's manga only though.
That doesn't get rid of the fact that nobody thought 17 was gonna make a selfish wish
If Frieza was there to make the wish it would add stakes but 17 was shown he has no reason to be a dick
>midwits
Not a real word.
Ok midwit
The multiverse exists in capeshit entirely for nostalgia baiting even way back in the day. Remember that old version of the character that's no longer in continuity? Well they live in a different universe and the current version of the character can now go meet them.
Once you open those gates it's hard to close them.
Not my fault you think you’re part of the 1% of intelligence cause you watched Rick and Morty
The MCU is just doing it because they want Secret Wars to be a mega cameofest of all their movies now that they own Fox and have a deal with Sony. They know it's the one thing that could surpass the Endgame moment, an even bigger everyone is here scene. Also because they want to one up what Thanos already did as a bad guy, instead of just a single universe, it's all of them.
Because they can't back down now.
Because time travel was done to death, duh.
Because it's low effort.
>what if x had a funny accent?
>what if y was evil for some reason?
>what if z's impactful death never actually happened? here's a multi-season spin-off
Saves you a lot of time. No need come up with new storylines when you can just "remix" old ones, no need to commit to story decisions when you can just jump to a new universe and start fresh, no need to create new characters when you can save money reusing actors.
Prime was never going to fully work because Sega is allergic to using backstories and worldbuilding, that's why the AUs are very basic and shallow, because the main universe is already something that's barely established or they don't want to use to its full potential.
what is sega's problem
The Multiverse only works when the "multiverse" was already pre-established before hand.
i.e. Spider-Ham, Noir, and 2099 was well established way before the concept of a "Spider-Verse" was a thing while Sp//dr, Punk and Byte only exists because the writers needed more webheads to fill up a theoretical "multiverse of spiders".
>sony takes a risk with multiverse which general audience may hate or not get
>it works
>now everyone wants to do it
>>sony takes a risk with multiverse which general audience may hate or not get
General audiences have been okay with multiverses for decades because most writers don't give a shit to actually write what a multiverse would entail other than tweaks of an existing setting like what the anon in
described.
I think the only time the multiverse concept was well handled in capeshit was in The Multiversity imo.
Only Brit comic writers have used it pretty well, because they all read Moorwiener.
Why are you so obsessed with pretending it's boring when it's been a staple of genre fiction for decades
Go take some ecstacy and discover that other people are real, you narcissist
Its fun
>tfw I was planning a Muilitverse story before all this shit came up.
>Now have to throw it in the trash because of how saturated the market is.
Frick this shit dude.
Anon don't let that shit stop you from creating the shit you wanna create.
Just make sure it isn't used for a dumb fricking cameo fest.
I second what that anon said. If you have a story you wanna tell, just go for it. Who cares what the market is like.
I had an idea where the villains are a multidimensional crime syndicate providing their services to rich criminals who seek to evade justice in another dimensions or selling weapons from more technologically advanced universes, but it writer blocks me hard, I have no idea how to do it well so may as well share.
whoever does it first gets more people to like it, two sides trying to do it better
and doubly missing the point it sucks
Obsession with needing constantly higher and higher stakes. Which they don't realize makes it boring as shit because they get so high that it starts becoming meaningless.
Or it gets silly when there's an issue and there's no reason they can't just ring up 7 identical copies of themselves to jump the problem and deal with it easily.
secret wars is gonna be so bad bros... but i only care about multiverse shit when it comes down to powerlevels like hulk clapping away an entire universe or DBS type of stuff
Multiverse allows them to do whatever they want. They can completely divorce the characters from the actors playing them. They can abandon continuity. It doesn't matter how little sense something makes. It's multiverse. They can sell you that. Again and again.
Because nothing matters.
Because you can't think of anything better
It means that they are safe from any real story decisions that have consequences and deprive their ability to keep milking a particular property. Corps love multiverse shit. No characters are every really gone and no big dramatic moments are ever really the end. Just make more bullshit.
The problem with superhero movies is that they only use their multiverses for nostalgia and cameos. They need to be more like Rick and Morty unironically.
>uses their multiverse for infinite potential storylines while for capeshit it's always the same problem with the universe collapsing
>show what effect having access to infinite timelines has on the psyche of the characters, Miguel in Spiderverse being really stressed out and crazy was pretty good
>be a bit more lax with the rules? Incursions are too easy to trigger, it defeats the purpose
Miles morales isn't nostalgia. He's a new and superior spiderman
The Spiderverse sequel definitely has its share of nostalgia.
>look mommy it's Spectacular Spider-man!
>"hey kids! Remember, it's ok to let your loved ones die if you think it's morally correct!"
But there are no lasting consequences in Rick and Morty.
>They need to be more like Rick and Morty unironically.
No, that's part of the problem in the first place
The draw of a multiversal event is (for example) having our Superman interact with other established elseworld Supermen, like; At Earth's End, Red Sun, Shogun of Steel, Kingdom Come, True Brit, The Dark Side, Metropolis, Injustice, Man of Steel, Donner, The Animated Series, Teen Titans Go!, etc. not just a excuse to just make Supersona and hope that one of them is popular enough to maybe get a tie-in.
The problem is what is happening with Spider-Verse; it's mainly all just Spider-Sona than established elseworld Spider-Men. Spiders like Noir, Ham or 2099 works because they were already establish before a Spider-Verse existed. Spiders like Punk, Byte, and unfortunately Peni doesn't because they were only made to be filler for the Spider-Verse event.
Bad writers and copyright loopholes, also money
You can make an excuse for not following the Canon if it's an AU, you can also allow a narcissistic b***h to disrespect continuity with it's personal project and justify it regardless
It also allows for reinterpretations to exist simultaneously and rake money from it, after all 30% difference is all you need to get away with it so an AU is a justification to make those different interpretations, no matter how shitty they are
is the current thing, same as "hero vs hero" and basketball americans skin color characters.
>creative bankruptcy
Less risky than new ideas/adaptations and allows them to pull from old movies, plus it appears to general audiences that want something familiar but not too same-y
>ugh, another Spiderman origin movie?
vs
>whoa, a multiverse Spiderman movie with variants? This I gotta see
it's a literary shortcut to make things seem interesting so they don't have to write a real story
I've always liked multiverse stuff and nothing you say will change my mind.
MCU is using it as a device to draw in all the Fox properties without having a bunch of situations where you can look back and say "why did the Atlanteans not care about Zod nuking the planet?"
Because it's an old boring ass idea, and a few producers liked the story enough to bridge it as something overarching when considering the "Villain Problem". On paper it seems fine enough, and fun enough. How do you go bigger than some guy that trotted across the universe to get infinity stones, well you look towards a guy that attempts to rewrite time and space by hoping the multiverse. Is it sustainable, coherent? Nah, but it was never meant to be. Battleworld and the other multiversal comic events come and go by design.
The problem they're having is establishing some major tent poles that tie the cinematics coherently together while they are saying goodbye to the old guard.
The last two years just feel like everything is meant to pass a baton and say goodbye to the previous team. None of the new characters have been able to stand up on their own merit without high-fiving someone from the old guard. The good films of the bunch were focusing on saying goodbye to characters.
I'd almost say that Spider-verse was great because it wholly embraced the central character's hero arc without crutching it on past, but that's barely a half truth since it relies heavily on a subversion of "great expectations". Mile's Spiderverses have been great because they deliver full out on artistic premise with story that maintain emotional core of the story relevant beat to beat. Miles wants to do better, scene in scene out; he wants to be true to his responsibilities scene in scene out.
There's no cut to some B-side story that's not staying true to the character's core conflict of being better, being true. Gwen wants to be better, she wants to be true. B Parker wants to be better, be true.
Nah, take another one of the multiversal stories and it's this sudden cut of a story writer adding in his funny storyline of "don't be a dick" or let's add a freedumb rebellion story here or let's namaste oops capitalism that relate nothing back to the characters themselves.
What I like about the multiverse:
>What If and Elseworlds stories that explore an interesting alternate set-up in a single issue or, even better, a miniseries (e.g. Gotham by Gaslight, 1602)
>if it's not simply a self-contained Elseworlds, then the story takes place across two worlds, maybe three at most, and involves a couple versions of a hero teaming up or whatever and exploring the novelties/differences in their worlds and lives
What I hate about the multiverse:
>the story involves jumping from world to world with no time spent actually exploring or developing things beyond the bare minimum of "oh look at this cool alternate reality for 5 minutes!"
>story stakes that are so ridiculously big they lose all sort of weight or reality
>main villain needs to be so ridiculously big and cosmic enough as to be a threat to the whole of reality, but also needs to be someone the heroes can take down which almost always means they're turned into a jobber
>the main thing people are meant to talk about are the cheap, shoehorned cameos by actors and/or characters you remember from older, better, films that are almost always entirely irrelevant to the actual story
>if it's not a actor/character anyone even cares about, then the appeal is simply meant to be "oh look another version of X!" or "oh look it's that actor who played him before in that shitty Fox movie nobody liked!"
Guess which ones the current flood of Hollywood multiverse stories like doing.
The only multiverse story I can think of in recent times that I actually liked is some little indie comic called The Wrong Earth, which is just a pastiche of Batman where a Silver-Age Adam West version accidentally swaps places with the dark and gritty Miller version of the character and they have to work in each other's respective reality
>Marvel starts focusing on the Multiverse as a cheap way to harvest money via nostalgia pandering
>Fans universally hate it and films are starting to perform poorly
>DC and Sony insists on following their footsteps even though the masses have spoken that they hate Multiverse shit
You can't write that kind of arrogant insanity.
>Marvel starts focusing on the Multiverse as a cheap way to harvest money via nostalgia pandering
>Fans universally hate it and films are starting to perform poorly
Do they though? No Way Home is the most successful Marvel movie post-Endgame, Multiverse of Madness still made like 950+ million, Loki is the most succesful D+ Marvel show, and Across the Spiderverse was acclaimed.