Why is Cars considered the worst classic Pixar movie while A Bug's Life is much less fun?
Wall-E was also heavy handed with the message but at least it makes up with the cool and cute parts.
Why is Cars considered the worst classic Pixar movie while A Bug's Life is much less fun?
Most people forget that movie even existed
exactly
i didn't i played the game of it all the time as a kid
You just unlocked a core memory of mine. Do you mean this one?
Frick you i liked it
If we don't take sequels into account then I suppose I'd agree that A Bugs Life is slightly weaker than Cars. But A Bugs Life was Pixars second ever full lenght film, so I think it gets more leeway for that. And if we do hold first movies accountable for sequels then Cars also gets shat on for spawning Cars 2.
when the movie came out it was super popular and acclaimed
Name one fricking person who isn't a cartoon autist that remembers this movie.
me
>browsing Cinemaphile
>not a cartoon autist
Anon, if everyone here is a cartoon autist and you know this, then why ask us? Do you want us to bug our friends if they remember A Bug's Life?
I just want to force my opinion like half of the threads do
Yes you should bug your bug friends to see whether or not they remember A Bug's Life, insects were this movie's target audience right?
yes
>Saying this while being on Cinemaphile
check and m8
Everybody remembers this. Are you nuts?
Some people have trouble distinguishing it from Antz.
Some people remember Antz better than this.
i'm one of those people
Me.
Cartoon autists hate cartoons, all they ever do is complain about them unless they can jerk off to them. I actually like cartoons without needing to see foot weight gain inflation or whatever other porn addict shit.
The worst part is that half of such kind of autist will do the opposite, to latch into a cartoon and fap to it, even it is the ugliest shit ever, just because it's something. Then they will delude themselves into actually liking it just because of al the time spent jerking off to it.
I actually think it's a disservice to autists to lump coombrains in with them.
>name on fricking person who isn't a (x) autist that remembers this ( x )
Hopper was a bad ass villian. The fact that he knows he's weak and the ants are way more powerful makes him pretty bad ass because he doesn't do the bullshit thing where he under estimates them.
My sister is a complete normie and she remembers it
Saw it in the theater back in 1998, got the VHS the next summer, and got the DVD Christmas 2004. I liked it simply because I liked Toy Story.
Hopper and the circus bugs carried the film.
I think it's because Cars is seen as the first "Soulless" movie by Pixar in that it was partly made to appeal to boys and sell them toys.
>partly made to appeal to boys and sell them toys
Toy Story? Even Lasseter liked taking pictures with a big shelf of toys as his backdrop.
Cars' problem was being a bro comedy (think Adam Sandler, Will Ferrell, and Sacha Baron Cohen movies) in a Pixar skin.
I think many people just cringed by the first quarter of the movie. It really feels like a toy ad and everything goes to the extreme to appeal to boys, and the look of the characters is horrifying at first. But I feel the movie gets quite good after that.
The allegory in Bug's Life at least makes sense despite being stupid. In Elemental it seems they really didn't think enough about it.
>But I feel the movie gets quite good after that.
Once Doc gets introduced and forces Lightning to start his character development then it gets good I feel.
It's not just the "It's made to sell toys"
But it felt like a parody. Toy Story is a fun concept, your Toys are alive when you're not in your room and bugs, monsters and fish can at least be anthromorphised, the idea of CARS BUT THEY TALK, it felt like a parody Family Guy would do
I love this movie. Don't know what you zoomers are on about.
zoomers belong in the gas chamber
ok then get in
There's nothing wrong with being heavy handed.
You sure? I feel like that's 90% of the reason Elemental is being shat on. Wall-E isn't really that heavy handed, the environmental stuff almost feels like an excuse to get EVE and Wall-E in contact rather than really beat you over the head about saving the planet.
Environmental destruction matters more than issues around racemixing that were relevant maybe 50 years ago
Bug's Life is good.
Cars is overhated.
Tpbp
Nah frick off A Bug's Life is awesome, I watched both as a kid and I remember A Bug's Life more than Cars. It had a great villain who was prideful and arrogant while also being very intelligent, which is something most writers frick up, they think pride = moronation. Also tumblrites are trying to make the movie into something it isnt, claiming the grashoppers and ants are fat cats and workers, when in reality the grashoppers are more like a nomadic tribe descending on a civilized city and demanding tribute, like the steppe tribes and the near east
>the grashoppers and ants are fat cats and workers, when in reality the grashoppers are more like a nomadic tribe descending on a civilized city and demanding tribute, like the steppe tribes and the near east
Your cultural poverty is astounding. It's a Western, like The Magnificent Seven (based on a famous Japanese film). The bandits attack the town, town has to put together a team of wandering fighters to protect them.
You're right, but when Hopper gives a speech about "our way of life" and "keeping them in line" and also tells the ants "there are bugs out there and we wont be able to protect you from them" it seems like they were leaning into that angle, like a desert clan or spartans & helots, an entire culture and society based on brutalizing the ants rather than just mere bandits
>"our way of life" and "keeping them in line" and also tells the ants "there are bugs out there and we wont be able to protect you from them" it seems like they were leaning into that angle
he's just a fascist
the grasshoppers are literally the ruling class, dumbass.
capitalists survive off of the labor of the working class. it's just following aesop's fable of the ant and the grasshopper to its logical conclusion. the ultra wealthy provide nothing for society, they're literally fricking parasites
They are not the ruling class. The queen and the princess are the ruling class. The grashoppers are an entirely seperate society with their own ruling class, Hopper. And they have their own downtrodden servant class, the mosquitoes. Its not capitalists surviving off the labor its bandits demanding tribute from farmers. Its just following Seven Samurai and all those westerns
cause bugs life is a fake movie people made up as a prank
Bug Life has a great villain and the circus bugs are fun characters.
Cars is just mediocre all around with a really obnoxious comedic relief character.
I can tell you just turned 18 because this thing was loved by kids everywhere when it came out.
Sorry, your brain is too fried from constant stimulus to be able to enjoy a film that isn't 24/7 jumpcuts, plot twists, and degeneracy.
A Bug's Life is genuinely a pretty great movie that is strangely underrated and shunned. As for Cars, I was a little too old when it came out, but I don't remember actively disliking it. Wall-E is a great short film that has an extra 80 minutes attached to it for some reason.
Hopper is an awesome villain and acts and thinks quite realistically for someone in his position. Kevin Spacey nailed that role. I wish we see more villains like him.
I genuinely love A Bug's Life and I never understood why it gets so much hate
Princess Atta is really cute, though.
Is it hip?
It's always hip
I like her beauty mark
Gotta feel sorry for early Pixar here. They were fully aware that Pacific Data Images at Palo Alto were making their own insects film with an ant protagonist, and that both films would premiere close to each other.
Funny how the Antz producer ended up being the producer of Ratatouille (he was involved with it for much longer than Brad Bird was, since Bird joined the project quite late). Pixar and Lasseter obviously had nothing against him despite producing Antz if they chose to hire him.
Honestly, Cars has a lot of good scenes
>This grumpy old racecar I know once told me something. It's just an empty cup.
Cars gets a lot more shit because it's more recent, and so remembered more, and because it's sequels were pretty bad. Cars 2 and Planes were pretty bad by Pixar standards. If there had been A Bug's Life 2 and A Mosquito's Life that were just generic movies in a Pixar skin, then A Bug's Life would've been a lot more poorly regarded.
I'm so used to seeing Bugs Life on a blurry VHS tape that it's weird to see it in HD.
Hopper is too cartoonishly evil. He has no humanity (outside of respecting his mother's death bed wish that he wouldn't kill his annoying brother). At least the Antz general villain cared for the colonel and the princess.
He is still realistic and pragmatic about his goals, and his conflict with the ants is completely reasonable.
Cars is a snoozefest compared to Bug's Life
>A Bug's Life : Geri's Game
>Cars : One Man Band
I prefer Cars as a film, but Bug's Life had the better short attached to it.
Does Up count as a pixar classic now? It's 2023 so I'll assume yes because if you remove the first ten minutes then it easily becomes super mediocre and I personally find it worse than most pre-2010 pixar movies
Up and Wall-E have a similar issue of not neccessarily being bad films but there is an aura of wasted potential surrounding them. Their first halves kill it but then you're left with the second half which is just alright. Leaves you feeling blue balled. I do think Up is a good and fun movie but that intro sequence really fricked with the rest of the film, making it seem worse than it really was.
Those movies would not have been successful if they were completely like their beginnings.
Elemental was just a romance and it failed hard.
Sure, romance is just at odds with kids adventure movies. Pixar wants to please both adult and child audiences, it's what made them successful. I understand why Pixar couldn't just have a post-apocalypic romance with Wall-E or why Ups intro wasn't standalone. Elemental just isn't enough of a kids movie nor is it grabbing adult audiences so that's likely why it's bombing as hard as it is. Pleasing neither crowd when Pixar used to please both. Shame cause I personally like Pixars romantic films, Elemental included. They just can't go all in on it due to needing to appeal to kids as well.
Antz is more interesting to watch because it was made by the same division that later made the first Shrek. Like, same building and workstations (Silicon Graphics computers). They did hire plenty of new people inbetween tho.
>Dreamworks buys a 40% stake on PDI in early 1996. Antz premieres in late 1998 and Shrek premieres in early 2001
PDI made those two awesome films in the span of 5 years.
>One as my favourites as a kid, seen it back in the cinema
>Rewatch it as an adult
>Not bad but also nothing great
grasshoppers are my favorite insect, so it pissed kid me off that they were the bad guys. although i heard later in life that the movie was inspired by "grasshopper and ant" fable
It's weird how someone in the animation industry would bother at all with this fable since it moral is pretty much "stop doing art and get a job"
bug's life is orders of magnitude better than cars. cars is a movie you put on in the background to ignore. it's there to take up the attention of kids to keep them out of trouble
>wall-e was heavy handed
are you moronic? the planet is going through vast meteorological changes in weather, pollution is fricking shit up and the great barrier reef is dying. you're just moronic
how the frick this not fun for you? it's teaching kids life lessons about the ruling class. stop being moronic
never heard of something called escapism?
Everything about Cars feels like it was trying to capitalize on the Redneck trend. The thing about previouse Pixar films is you could tell they are experimenting with new tech or story telling. While A Bugs Life is pretty meh when it comes to the story, writing and characters the tech behind it was massively impressive and really captures what it feels like to be small. Cars I really couldn't tell you anything about what it was trying to do or experiment with. Everything about it is generic and was done before and done better.
Cars captures Americana and Motorsport racing better than any other animated movie I've seen. A lot of what it captures is in live action, the story is simple, but Pixar's ability to capture both Route 66 and NASCAR authentically is what makes the film stand out to me at least, the characters are also really great and you can really feel McQueen naturally progress from butthole to a great guy, but I think that's more expected for Pixar especially since they did that pretty well in Toy Story
The traveling scenes are super comfy, I don't get why this movie is considered souless by so many people.
because they're bus riders who got filtered
Yeah but all that could've worked with humans.
Why is this ant so fricking hot?
because you touch yourself at night
He do kinda have a good jawline tho
bug's life has fun characters in it
I can't fricking care about anyone in that movie
I love Bug's life and don't like WALL-E. Recently re watched Cars and actually liked it better than Ratatouille.
I never 100% noticed when I was young. But when Flik is sent off to his quest, the whole colony was essentially hoping that he would die and just wanted him to leave for good.
>Luxo Jr, Red's Dream, Tin Toy, Knick Knack, Toy Story, Geri's Game, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, For the Birds, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, Boundin', The Incredibles, One Man Band, Cars, Lifted, Ratatouille, Presto, WALL-E, Partly Cloudy, Up, Day & Night, Toy Story 3, Cars 2, La Luna, Brave, The Blue Umbrella, Monsters University, Lava, Inside Out, Sanjay's Super Team, The Good Dinosaur, Piper, Finding Dory, Lou, Cars 3, Coco, Bao, Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4, Onward, Soul, Luca, Turning Red, Lightyear, Elemental
You judge when did they peak and when did the decline started.
>when did they peak
Ratatouille, WALL-E and Up
>when did the decline started
I think Cars 2 can be either the last classic Pixar movie (last project by Lasseter there) or the first modern Pixar movie (vey hated, a non-TS sequel). I prefer the second option.
I think Cars just had the "Overexposure" effect in that kids (Primarily boys) fricking loved it and likely watched it A LOT.
Like i know my sister got pretty sick of Cars because my nephew would not stop watching it rather then any lack of quality, it's pretty much the same effect that results in adults making spite content of childrens shows where they maul Barney or Peppa Pig and shit.
Anyway, Bugs life had the game that was pretty fun, Plus i think it had the whole comparison to Antz as a Fellow Bug 3D Movie from 98, so devoted Pixargays can't really shit on it too much or people would say "So Antz (and therefore Dreamworks) is better?", Cars didn't really have such a direct comparison when it released IIRC.
I remember all the hype and marketing around this movie when it came out as a kid. I remember kids seeing it and talking about it. I remember finally seeing it and finding it boring. I thought Antz was boring too, except for the first part of the movie. Everything up to the war scene in the beginning really stuck with me, but I couldn't tell you one scene from A bugs life
Bug's Life and Antz are both cool. I think it's awesome that we got 2 movies around a similar concept with very different results. Because I think it's an amazing study on how films are made, and it's also under a very unique circumstance. But with that being said, they are clearly different movies with their own qualities. One of the biggest similarities that they have is that they are quite dark and funny (which I like).
I barely remembered anything about Bug's Life beyond the fact I found it boring as a kid. Rewatching it now I say it's better than what I remembered but not much. I did laugh at various points but I can't care for the characters and it is a storm of Pixar cliches despite being their second movie.
Not even Hopper's death?
I like to think of Antz as more of a PDI film than a Dreamworks one. Why? Because Dreamworks only had a 40% stake on PDI for the entirety of Antz' production from 1996-1998 (Dreamworks didn't buy the remaining 60% until february or march 2000). Besides, Katzenberg didn't pay that much attention to Antz. He cared way, way more for The Prince of Egypt, and thus was more involved with it (Katzenberg is nowhere to be found on Antz credits, whereas he is listed as the executive producer on Prince of Egypt credits)
I love this obvious animation error where Dot is just randomly winking both her eyes during the Warrior tribute. I’m certain they didn’t brother fixing it because it’s adorable.
Since this is a general Pixar thread, i'm curious what anons
>favorite
>overrated
>overhated
>hated
movie picks are.
(I must say that I haven't watched all of their movies since with Brave)
WALL-E, but it's a close win with Up and Ratatouille just behind.
Toy Story 3
Cars I guess? But some sequels are also overhated like Finding Dory or Monsters University
Didn't watch Lightyear but I hate it for missing the point so hard
Huh, you almost have exactly my taste. I would easily put Cars 2 in the hated category though.
Toy Story 1
Wall-E and Up
A Bug's Life
I never watched TS4 or Lightyear, but they look very unpleasant to the point where I want to ignore them. Of the movies I've actually watched, the one I disliked the most was Brave. Not because it's necessarily bad, I just find it to be generic.
I forgot Brave existed. What an unmemorable film.
>Favorite
Ratatouille and WALL-E really pleased me a lot as a preteen and still do today. (The former I’d say is the stronger one)
>Overrated
Up. It’s still very good but everyone just keeps praising it only for the first 10 minutes. Ed Asner was kino though. Inside Out comes to mind too since it’s creative but underwhelming at worst.
>Overhated
A Bug’s Life and Monsters University come to mind, even if I think MU would’ve been better if Mike and Sully went from being rivals in 4th grade to expressing themselves during collage and becoming friends. I haven’t seen Brave, The Good Dinosaur, and Onward though.
>Hated
I really only ever liked Cars 2 for Michael Caine. The rest felt like some idiotic direct-to-video movie starring Mater who only worked in doses. (The first film is a good example as his spotlight was equal to Doc and Sally being the major side characters in Lightning’s story) Never saw Lightyear and I’m not interested and while Toy Story 4 was mediocre, I did get some enjoyment out of it.
>favorite
Used to be Ratatuille but I'm not so sure anymore. Luca is such a chill watch it might be my new top Pixar pick
>overrated
Inside Out. I feel like people praising it only remeber the final scene and overall message and forget the actual meat of the movie is just "get from point A to point B before sunrise" and related antics, and the characters and world aren't interesting enough to carry it
>overhated
Brave and Onward aren't great but they're not as bad as most people paint them. Onward is the only movie I can excuse having a gimmick-y and episodic plot because it's inspired by DnD so that makes it kinda clever. Brave is more infuriating because it had actual potential though. Turning Red was good but outside of here I haven't seen people criticize it too much
>hated
The Good Dinosaur is boring and directionless. Also I refuse to watch TS4 on principle
Cars is one of the best pixar movies. Very cozy
>Why is Cars considered the worst classic Pixar movie
because most of us remembered the movie they stole the entire plot from
>from the manufacturers of Toy Story, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles and Finding Nemo
Pixar sure likes to ignore A Bug's Life
Wall-E sucked. The fat women weren't even attractive.
source?
Wall-E
I meant the pretty fat woman on the right.
Bugs Life is an example of nostagia greatly influencing peoples judgement. It was good but it was nowhere near as good as Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo.
I don’t think I’ve watched this movie since I was like 8. I wonder if it holds up.
Cause really what else are you gonna choose?
All the movies are great
People just latch onto MUH MERCH angle for Cars for some reason when the first movie Pixar made was literally about sentient merchandise
never seen this one. ima watch it right now
it k, i can see why it's so forgotten though. it's very basic compared to the rest of the pixar movies
Cars and boys is similar to trains and autistic kids.
I remember being kid, mesmerized by those tires, the way they spun so smoothly in the asphalt and reversed so fluidly while drifting on dirt.
Then there was the perspective of the race cars themselves. You could feel the tightness and speed like you were actually in the track as each car passed by, pebbles flew across the screen as they cranked their horsepower to 400, and those V6 and V8 engines roaring in sync with other racers.
Maybe by plot standard Cars sucks, but damn Pixar was really good at making them really feel like cars!
Man I fricking love A Bug's Life. Actually relevant and surprisingly bold moral, great characters (even if they're spread too thin), unique but sensible world, fantastic soundtrack.
Cars 1 is the worst of the "mainline" Pixar movies (which imo ended with Brave but an argument could be made for Inside Out), closely followed by Brave (what a mess), Wall-E (should have been a short film, too on-the-nose), and Up (FRICKING WASTED POTENTIAL, I'm so frustrated with it because I love the beginning of the film).
Cars has more personality than Bug's Life. Just compare their soundtracks. There are many reasons why children love Cars, and the songs are one of them.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0120623/soundtrack/
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0317219/soundtrack/