He appears Paul's visions. When Paul is trying to decide what to do in Dunc2, he doesn't ask his father for guidance, he asks Jamis. wtf did Dennis Villeneuve mean by this?
The book talks about how Paul can view an entire alternate timeline where he and Jamis were best bros
So even though he killed him within minutes of meeting him, Paul thinks of him as a friend and confidant
He basically has a quantum computer in his mind that lets him run hyper accurate simulations that allow him to predict the future or any possible futures nearly flawlessly or reconstruct past events from people he is genetically descended from. Is that accurate?
pretty much, yes but it's not quantum, just the effects of the Bene Gesserit breeding program clashing with his unmentioned mentat (human super-duper computer) training. All of that was further accelerated by the spice
Frank Herbert dick rides him even harder. Frank had most of the women moan out his name during the spice orgies. Jamis had omnipotent wiener in the lore
Never read the books, but is it hinted that the black guy who Paul kills is now trapped within Paul’s mind prison? Paul seems to call on him at will in times of distress. Does Paul ever free him from this? Or does the black man ever trick him into getting back out?
The Kwizatz Hadderach is able to combine genetic memories of the past, prescience and a mentat's analysis to basically predict potential futures. Dune basically takes place in a deterministic universe with the exception of those who have prescience because their own limited knowledge of the future gives them free will. In Dune Messiah, it's revealed that guide navigators are "invisible" to Paul's visions, and anyone conspiring with them in a room are invisible as well, since they're interacting with a free will. The Bene Gesserit can commune with their ancestors through their genetic memories, called "other voices", and some weak BG can even be possessed by them, if they don't know how to handle a strongly willed personality.
The film chose to use the character of Jamis (somewhat one-note in the novel) to demonstrate Paul's limited ability (at that point in the story) to explore alternate futures, and show that not all of his visions come true, but as he develops into the role of the Mahdi or Lisan al-Gaib, he becomes more and more resigned to one course - the jihad - despite wanting to prevent it. Jamis becomes a sort of "other voice", but one he only imagines instead of inherits genetically. What's funny is that one of Jamis's lessons in the film is really the First Law of the Mentat, which he shouldn't know... unless Paul's unconscious mind is just collapsing different teachers into one character.
I think its rather gorgeous and thematically relevant to show this random aggro dude, that paul didn't even fricking know, was actually in another timeline his greatest friend and mentor. I think Denis actually perfectly cut through to that in the first film with those emotional future-past visions he has while fighting him/after killing him.
That free will has leashed this dreadful millstone around Paul's neck and we see him move through this spiritual desolation in the 1-2 punch of Dune + Dune Messiah. That paul tumbles unkowingly into the chasm of prescience, gains a free will that merely chokes him towards a single "golden" path (traps in traps in traps beside it), and come out the other end a true messiah. Someone who has to die to save humanity.
Its heartbreaking. For all the alien glub glub coded language and terminology in Dune it has an extremely simple and can even be considered christian(from my personal frame of reference) emotional theme running through it.
I think its rather gorgeous and thematically relevant to show this random aggro dude, that paul didn't even fricking know, was actually in another timeline his greatest friend and mentor. I think Denis actually perfectly cut through to that in the first film with those emotional future-past visions he has while fighting him/after killing him.
That free will has leashed this dreadful millstone around Paul's neck and we see him move through this spiritual desolation in the 1-2 punch of Dune + Dune Messiah. That paul tumbles unkowingly into the chasm of prescience, gains a free will that merely chokes him towards a single "golden" path (traps in traps in traps beside it), and come out the other end a true messiah. Someone who has to die to save humanity.
Its heartbreaking. For all the alien glub glub coded language and terminology in Dune it has an extremely simple and can even be considered christian(from my personal frame of reference) emotional theme running through it.
This is how you conserve your virginity until your late 40s
I have given great, sloppy, wheezing sweaty fricks to your mother. I have devoured her sexually. In every path, in every timeline, there I am, back twisting, balls slapping, ass squeezing tight as I dump, with a heaving sigh turned animal scream, a bubbling froth of thick white semen into your mothers womb, time and time again. There are no options left to me but to frick your mother, the past informs the future, and the future informs the past. I'm caught in this twisted ouroborous which has collapsed into a perfect sphere of infinite present.
When I look at you I know you as my son, and I smile, before dousing again my raging wiener in the slick wet womb of what can only be considered "The Forever".
Yo momma so fat she sat on time and made it a flat circle
Yes, that's right. In the book when Paul drinks the water of life he is able to enter the male section of his consciousness where the bene gesserit cannot see, and it's basically just Jamis riding away on a stolen bike
The point of the character is to show that Paul's prescience is not infallible, it's just one of many futures. He sees an entire future where this guy is basically his mentor in the ways of the desert and then he has to stab him to death.
The only thing that actually messes with his future vision is other future vision people like Guild Navigators and his own son
Jamis was not up to their power level
I would actually know how this shit works in the books for anyone who read it.
In the movies, he imagines the guy (a possible future where he met him and learned from him?) but when he actually meets him jamis doesn't like him...fights, gets killed, but then in the 2nd movie he is still imagining him as if he taught him like he originally imagined.
Seems completely moronic.
none of that happens in the books
the only think that happens is he sees a possibility of getting killed in the duel, that's it. He's still learning how to handle his prescience. He plays with him and eventually kills him and he inherits his belongings, namely his wife (which he can decide if she becomes his wife or servant) and his sons
Paul can see every possible future for himself and later for humanity but that doesn't mean he can control the decisions of others. There's a reality where Jamis isn't a c**t and doesn't challenge Paul so they become good friends. But Jamis made a decision and Paul has to live with that.
Prescience in Dune is less about being a master keikaku and moreso having the mental will power to make difficult decisions to get to the future you want. There is no best path. Paul literally has a panic attack about this
none of that happens in the books
the only think that happens is he sees a possibility of getting killed in the duel, that's it. He's still learning how to handle his prescience. He plays with him and eventually kills him and he inherits his belongings, namely his wife (which he can decide if she becomes his wife or servant) and his sons
>Muad'Dib could indeed, see the Future, but you must understand the limits of this power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
>first movie ends with Paul slaughtering a black man >second movie ends with Paul cucking a black woman >third movie is about Paul killing billions
huh
>first movie ends with Paul slaughtering a black man >second movie ends with Paul cucking a black woman >third movie is about Paul killing billions
huh
Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Time works the same way.
>magical Black very nice to Paul in his visions and showing him the future >meets him in person >is a feral ape wanting to murder Paul and hates his guts >Paul murders him >magic Black still appears and lovingly shows him the planet and future
What was Denis' angle here?
Paul had tons of future visions about Jamis being his bro and mentor, thats part of why he was so shocked and broken up about killing him. On top of just the horror of killing, he felt like he was killing a friend, and he was realizing the future is never written and his sight isn't as perfect as he thought.
Fighting and killing him was a significant phase change in the book, with more breathing space. It's basically the shift from on the run to going native with the Fremen. It's also when they start thinking he's probably the Lisan al Gaib (he shouldn't have been able to beat Jamis at such a young age).
In the movie they decide that Paul was never completely accepted by the Fremen as a conflict dynamic instead (something something immigration angle) - rather than, in the book, worrying about other more abstract things, such as turning into space Mohammed according to his future visions. He also doesn't take Jamis's wife as his maid/gf, as a duel booty, nor adopt his sons. Harah doesn't show up at all. So the importance given to this event might seem weird, nor is it totally expressed why Paul would care about some random butthole fighting him and losing.
He took Paul's murder virginity, it's the most important part of any genocidal tyrant's life.
he's a magical black man that all hacks employ to further their story
He's not magical, he's just a regular desert dude!
He appears Paul's visions. When Paul is trying to decide what to do in Dunc2, he doesn't ask his father for guidance, he asks Jamis. wtf did Dennis Villeneuve mean by this?
The book talks about how Paul can view an entire alternate timeline where he and Jamis were best bros
So even though he killed him within minutes of meeting him, Paul thinks of him as a friend and confidant
He basically has a quantum computer in his mind that lets him run hyper accurate simulations that allow him to predict the future or any possible futures nearly flawlessly or reconstruct past events from people he is genetically descended from. Is that accurate?
No, he's a psychic, that's the story.
pretty much, yes but it's not quantum, just the effects of the Bene Gesserit breeding program clashing with his unmentioned mentat (human super-duper computer) training. All of that was further accelerated by the spice
Frank Herbert dick rides him even harder. Frank had most of the women moan out his name during the spice orgies. Jamis had omnipotent wiener in the lore
That weak little stab with the dagger and him going “I guess I’ll die” is hilarious. Bravo Denis
Never read the books, but is it hinted that the black guy who Paul kills is now trapped within Paul’s mind prison? Paul seems to call on him at will in times of distress. Does Paul ever free him from this? Or does the black man ever trick him into getting back out?
wtf paul is literally a slave owner
The Kwizatz Hadderach is able to combine genetic memories of the past, prescience and a mentat's analysis to basically predict potential futures. Dune basically takes place in a deterministic universe with the exception of those who have prescience because their own limited knowledge of the future gives them free will. In Dune Messiah, it's revealed that guide navigators are "invisible" to Paul's visions, and anyone conspiring with them in a room are invisible as well, since they're interacting with a free will. The Bene Gesserit can commune with their ancestors through their genetic memories, called "other voices", and some weak BG can even be possessed by them, if they don't know how to handle a strongly willed personality.
The film chose to use the character of Jamis (somewhat one-note in the novel) to demonstrate Paul's limited ability (at that point in the story) to explore alternate futures, and show that not all of his visions come true, but as he develops into the role of the Mahdi or Lisan al-Gaib, he becomes more and more resigned to one course - the jihad - despite wanting to prevent it. Jamis becomes a sort of "other voice", but one he only imagines instead of inherits genetically. What's funny is that one of Jamis's lessons in the film is really the First Law of the Mentat, which he shouldn't know... unless Paul's unconscious mind is just collapsing different teachers into one character.
didn't read
No one does. That's why these stupid fricking movies get made in the first place.
yeah,he has jamis's memories inside of him and all the others of humanity thanks to the spice.
no need for all that autism.
I think its rather gorgeous and thematically relevant to show this random aggro dude, that paul didn't even fricking know, was actually in another timeline his greatest friend and mentor. I think Denis actually perfectly cut through to that in the first film with those emotional future-past visions he has while fighting him/after killing him.
That free will has leashed this dreadful millstone around Paul's neck and we see him move through this spiritual desolation in the 1-2 punch of Dune + Dune Messiah. That paul tumbles unkowingly into the chasm of prescience, gains a free will that merely chokes him towards a single "golden" path (traps in traps in traps beside it), and come out the other end a true messiah. Someone who has to die to save humanity.
Its heartbreaking. For all the alien glub glub coded language and terminology in Dune it has an extremely simple and can even be considered christian(from my personal frame of reference) emotional theme running through it.
This is how you conserve your virginity until your late 40s
i can't wait to reach my late 40s and finally get laid
I have given great, sloppy, wheezing sweaty fricks to your mother. I have devoured her sexually. In every path, in every timeline, there I am, back twisting, balls slapping, ass squeezing tight as I dump, with a heaving sigh turned animal scream, a bubbling froth of thick white semen into your mothers womb, time and time again. There are no options left to me but to frick your mother, the past informs the future, and the future informs the past. I'm caught in this twisted ouroborous which has collapsed into a perfect sphere of infinite present.
When I look at you I know you as my son, and I smile, before dousing again my raging wiener in the slick wet womb of what can only be considered "The Forever".
Yo momma so fat she sat on time and made it a flat circle
>Paul psychically imprisons everyone he kills and keeps them trapped in his mind.
I'm keeping this to use as bait at some point.
Yes, that's right. In the book when Paul drinks the water of life he is able to enter the male section of his consciousness where the bene gesserit cannot see, and it's basically just Jamis riding away on a stolen bike
Thank you.
Shit dude this actually a really cool idea. I will steal this for my dune inspired sci-fi
>I was a friend of Jamis.
>After I killed him, I kept him in my head just so I could buck break him even further.
But what did he learn from him or what did he did he do for him?
Paul learned that some bucks is just so damn peculiar that they'll pointlessly struggle until you break them completely.
Damn he was a good friend
>Literal who that show up in 3 minutes in the whole movie
The only one obsessed is you.
The point of the character is to show that Paul's prescience is not infallible, it's just one of many futures. He sees an entire future where this guy is basically his mentor in the ways of the desert and then he has to stab him to death.
The only thing that actually messes with his future vision is other future vision people like Guild Navigators and his own son
Jamis was not up to their power level
I would actually know how this shit works in the books for anyone who read it.
In the movies, he imagines the guy (a possible future where he met him and learned from him?) but when he actually meets him jamis doesn't like him...fights, gets killed, but then in the 2nd movie he is still imagining him as if he taught him like he originally imagined.
Seems completely moronic.
none of that happens in the books
the only think that happens is he sees a possibility of getting killed in the duel, that's it. He's still learning how to handle his prescience. He plays with him and eventually kills him and he inherits his belongings, namely his wife (which he can decide if she becomes his wife or servant) and his sons
Paul can see every possible future for himself and later for humanity but that doesn't mean he can control the decisions of others. There's a reality where Jamis isn't a c**t and doesn't challenge Paul so they become good friends. But Jamis made a decision and Paul has to live with that.
Prescience in Dune is less about being a master keikaku and moreso having the mental will power to make difficult decisions to get to the future you want. There is no best path. Paul literally has a panic attack about this
adding to what i wrote here
>Muad'Dib could indeed, see the Future, but you must understand the limits of this power. Think of sight. You have eyes, yet cannot see without light. If you are on the floor of a valley, you cannot see beyond your valley. Just so, Muad'Dib could not always choose to look across the mysterious terrain. He tells us that a single obscure decision of prophecy, perhaps the choice of one word over another, could change the entire aspect of the future. He tells us "The vision of time is broad, but when you pass through it, time becomes a narrow door." And always, he fought the temptation to choose a clear, safe course, warning "That path leads ever down into stagnation."
He was Pauls first kill, big deal in beggining of his story.
Ayo stab it nigg-AACK!
gay
He was a good actor, the only character with some spark
I thought all the black actors in part 1 were really good and better than the whites (except for Zendaya of course).
He provides kino
Why don't they just laser everything?
He's the magical Black who gets to frick her mom with the Almighty BBC
Denis raped that homie
Francophones have it bad for Blacks. It's honestly kind of weird.
>first movie ends with Paul slaughtering a black man
>second movie ends with Paul cucking a black woman
>third movie is about Paul killing billions
huh
kneel
Kwizatz Chuderach
billions must die
It's because he was the first person Paul ever killed, you dumb c**ts
porque es un Black de mierda
How can someone be genetically invisible to someone who can see the future? That makes zero fricking sense.
Being able to see the future at all is okay to you but genetic immunity to that bullshit ability is where you draw the line?
Imagine four balls on the edge of a cliff. Say a direct copy of the ball nearest the cliff is sent to the back of the line of balls and takes the place of the first ball. The formerly first ball becomes the second, the second becomes the third, and the fourth falls off the cliff. Time works the same way.
I dont get it. Who is Chuck?
>magical Black very nice to Paul in his visions and showing him the future
>meets him in person
>is a feral ape wanting to murder Paul and hates his guts
>Paul murders him
>magic Black still appears and lovingly shows him the planet and future
What was Denis' angle here?
Paul had tons of future visions about Jamis being his bro and mentor, thats part of why he was so shocked and broken up about killing him. On top of just the horror of killing, he felt like he was killing a friend, and he was realizing the future is never written and his sight isn't as perfect as he thought.
To further it more in the book he was called a murderer by his mom right after so that he won't just get used to killing
Fighting and killing him was a significant phase change in the book, with more breathing space. It's basically the shift from on the run to going native with the Fremen. It's also when they start thinking he's probably the Lisan al Gaib (he shouldn't have been able to beat Jamis at such a young age).
In the movie they decide that Paul was never completely accepted by the Fremen as a conflict dynamic instead (something something immigration angle) - rather than, in the book, worrying about other more abstract things, such as turning into space Mohammed according to his future visions. He also doesn't take Jamis's wife as his maid/gf, as a duel booty, nor adopt his sons. Harah doesn't show up at all. So the importance given to this event might seem weird, nor is it totally expressed why Paul would care about some random butthole fighting him and losing.