Why is discussing the mount Rushmore of superheroes so disingenuous and why does it always boil down to people buttmand and arguing about their favori...

Why is discussing the mount Rushmore of superheroes so disingenuous and why does it always boil down to people buttmand and arguing about their favorite not being included or trying to "make it even" by forcing another marvel characters and tearing down Wonder Woman?
I think it's an objective fact that the 4 characters that it should be are Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wonder Woman.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is Superman there

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because he's the most iconic superhero of all time
      Bruce and Pete are there because sales

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's like the biggest superhero of all time, had a ton of derivatives, and for a longer stretch than most characters not named Spider-Man, maintained a pretty strong profile.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder woman is unironically a meme.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think it's an objective fact that the 4 characters that it should be are Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wonder Woman.

      Pretty much. Spider-Man the teen hero main character is what really set Marvel apart from DC.
      >People think its not Wonder Woman
      Show your grandma a picture of Wonder Woman and she'll probably know it's Wonder Woman. She's just iconic on a level that the likes of Iron Man and Wolverine aren't. "Showing up first" counts for a lot, and she's been around for 80 years.

      And?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She hasn't done anything in 80 years. Rushmore's about people who changed the face the of the country (in this case, superhero comics). That's just not the case here.
        Compare it to someone like Buck Rogers - who has done massively more for the genre, and he's not even a superhero.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It should be Anpanman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Replace Superman with Anpanman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bigger media franchise than Batman, and the entire MCU combined
      Only real answer right there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Replace Superman with Anpanman.

      >Bigger media franchise than Batman, and the entire MCU combined
      Only real answer right there.

      I don't get it, is he just that popular in the east?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are Anpanmam museums and I'm pretty sure it's the most popular charecter in Japan ever

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I haven't heard of him before looking him up.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He is a CHAD and a LEGEND.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know how popular baby shows are usually pretty big money makers through merchandising and advertisement for a few years, but they usually eventually lose momentum or age out with their audiences? Anpanman is like that in several Asian countries except it won't fricking die and has been the number 1 baby show for decades. It's got like a Sesame Street level legacy, except it's a super hero made out of bread. Thing is it has like no exposure outside of those Asian regions so it always catches people off guard how high it is in the list.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There aren't 4 characters because there have never been more than 3 large superheroes at a time. You could maybe say it's Cyclops or Wolverine, though.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's either Wolverine, Wonder Woman or Hulk

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Needs all 3 there they're around equal standing, though normalgays will disagree with Hulk now

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wonder Woman.

    hilarious, but theres no way. the hulk is more popular than she is

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically, i think Wonder Woman is ratehr underutilized. I mean, she's never really had a storyline built around her, with her taking part in other characters stories more often. Characters who deserve that more are:
    >Iron Man (Kind of the face that brought superheroes that weren't Batman to the mainstream)
    >Wolverine or some other representative for the X-Men (Consistently popular for just as long as Spider-Man)
    >Wally West (The best Flash, fite me)

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Never had an animated series
    >Never had a videogame
    >2 animated films ever
    >2 live action films ever and one was a commercial/critical failure
    That is the sum total of Wonder Woman's 80+ years pf existence and you want to put her on a fricking Mount Rushmore. Daphne and Velma are more popular DC charecters than Wonder Woman and I'm only half joking

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's also free to air, where Boomerang holds out for the dwindling cable market. They love to reinvent themselves instead of fix something old.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong thread but as someone who doesn't pay for cable amd only has an antenna and ramdom streaming services I'll enjoy putting toons on in the background

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Boy, that's a frickup on my part.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ive pretty much argued this point as to why WW is iconic, but not popular. shes a figure that people know about but dc has never really tried to utilize, and thats kinda killed her appeal over time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        To be on the Mount Rushmore of superheroes you need to be iconic and popular.
        At this point, Harley is more iconic and popular than wondy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          popular, sure, but iconic? no. wonder woman is still THE female dc hero.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You left out the three-season TV-show back in the 70s that helped push her so far to the head of the pack of superheroes (alongside Batman and Superman) that only Spider-Man has reached her global recognition-level since.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Superman, Batman and Spiderman all had tv series before her. So did Shazam. Hulk's tv series was more popular and ran around the same time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is kind of strange that Wonder Woman has never had an animated series. Were they just worried that boys wouldn't watch it?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Robin

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    once again people are trying to pick their favorite or who is currently popular rather than who is objectively iconic.
    By this braindead metric Taylor Smith, Justin Beiber, Rihanna, and whatever garbage singer are the absolute pinnacle or music because they sell billions.

    >wolverine
    >cyclops
    i can see an argument for Wolverine but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out, a game and a show that's currently popular.
    whoever says cyclops should be there is an absolute fricking moron and I say that as Scott Summers fan. He's by far my favorite X-Men and it's annoying to see all the newbies now deciding he's cool after they watched an episode of X-Men 97.

    even with all the shilling for X-Men that Disney has been pushing lately, it doesn't make Wolverine (the objectively most popular X-Men) as iconic as Batman/Superman/Spiderman
    those characters transend comics and the ONLY other character who has achieved that is Wonder Woman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i can see an argument for Wolverine but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out, a game and a show that's currently popular.
      moron

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Hulk is more iconic than wonder woman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe 20 years ago. no one gives a frick about him now

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody cares about wonder woman now either

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hulk Out is still what you say when you get angry

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not exactly a common phrase, but more than what I can say about Wonder Woman as far as references to her character are concerned, even a mundane phrase like "On your left." is heavily attributed to Captain America.

            I also want to know what people are talking about when they mean "iconic," because I'm certain that the more popular characters you can rattle off that's appeared within the last 20 years in popular media that aren't Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man can be considered iconic, from Iron Man's helmet, Captain America's shield, to Deadpool's mask. What determines what is more iconic than the others?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How pop cultural it is, like I know you got some boomers refering the Wonder Woman spin from the Lynda Carter series. But for the new generations the phrase "Hulk Smash" or "Puny God" are still more relevant in the collective hive mind

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How pop cultural it is
                In that case, one of the MCU protagonists, likely Iron Man.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >How pop cultural it is
                In that case, one of the MCU protagonists, likely Iron Man.

                pop culture is worthless and changes all the time, what matters is what sticks to the wall.
                30 years later people still talk about The Killing Joke because it's iconic.
                One good way to track down what's iconic is the number of copycats. People say "wonderwoman is THE female hero" but nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People say "wonderwoman is THE female hero"
                Nobody says that, they say they know her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                People still talk about Going Hulk by before I was born according to my father

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean
                Because nobody thinks of Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean at all

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Storm was crazy popular before the petty fox movie nonsense. Hell that's pretty much when they started the Captain Carol push as the main heroine

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean.
                Funny thing is that they're more likely to think about Wanda than any single one of those characters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hate to break it to you anon but I hate Tay Swift and yet she’s undoubtedly making her way into that stratosphere if not already there.

      >but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out
      You must be 16 years old if you don’t know how big wolverine was even well before live action movies were a consideration.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >those characters transend comics and the ONLY other character who has achieved that is Wonder Woman.
      Lmfao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How would you measure what is "objectively iconic" without invoking popularity? "Objectively" my ass, you are just trying to pass your shitty opinion as fact.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    also notice how nobody has brought up Ironman or Captain America, the literal faces of the MCU/Marvel 5 years ago
    They're popular (or were popular) but they aren't actually iconic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Amazing how you gays bring this shit here because you got mogged by twitter. Cinemaphile is technically your safespace because you know your opinions will get assblasted on that site. Sad.

      >Ironman or Captain America
      I forgot they existed.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The post was orignally from twitter. If you bring up Cap being there you'll get crapped on.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      even today burtonman and raimiman are more iconic than the MCU.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Wolverine
    >super popular even before the super hero movie boom
    >known by pretty much everyone
    >iconic looks and powers
    Wonder Woman i would put in fifth place, main problem with her is that for most of her existence, the normies had no idea what her deal was, until the movies most probably didn't even know her Greek Mythology connection, despite being the most popular mythology by far.
    Hulk in sixth place, would have been higher if he had more luck in the movie side, he need a new solo asap.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wonder woman can't stand on her own, her popularity is pretty much tied to batman and superman, and her being a woman.
    wonder woman is basically the same shit as Sakura from Naruto

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >her popularity
      this is the problem with this, too many people see this as "the 4 most popular superheroes" or "MY 4 favorite superheroes" rather than the 4 most objectively iconic superheros

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        are you really iconic if the only thing people know about you is that you are a woman? because thats quite literaly wonder woman's case

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is your definition of iconic

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know if you guys are ready for this conversation but Robin has a better argument to be there than Wonder woman

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She doesn't care if it's cheating.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It should be Santa.
    Not only is he popular, he's one of the most iconic characters in existence.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We're talking about fictional characters here

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Wonder Woman
    No. Hulk, Wolverine, Cap and Iron-Man all have better cases. Harley is more popular than Wonder Woman.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Batman should not be on there, he got popular because of the Joker.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The four most culturally relevant cape characters are Harley Quinn, Joker, Batman, and Spider-Man, in that order.
    I don't like it either but those are the characters zoomers identify with the most.
    Deadpool, Homelander and Omni-Man are a little lower but also on the list. The Avengers are losing relevance by the year. Superman lost it long ago.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bait

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        More like sad reality.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The four most culturally relevant cape characters are Harley Quinn

      how so? shes not bigger than deadpool in any regard

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Deadpool doesn't have a cartoon series. Harley has one and an upcoming anime for the lowest common denominator. She's also pretty much the ultimate female power fantasy due to the hyper-amplified bawdtiness aspect, Deadpool doesn't have that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          deadpool has 2 popular movies and a heavily anticipated 3rd, as a character he has much, much more eyes on him than harley

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >as a character he has much, much more eyes on him than harley
            Absolutely not. You wouldn't even be saying this right now if we didn't have the new trailer. He didn't have a new movie for 5 years, that kills interest. I'm pretty sure he also spent the entirety of last year without a comic series, which should be unheard of for a character of such caliber. Harley can't go a month without appearing somewhere.

            I also doubt there will be more Deadpool movies after the third, Reynolds isn't getting younger and 3 is a nice number to finish on. Which means the interest will keep dwindling, while Harley will always have the lowest common denominator to keep her afloat. Both the coomer audience and the female twitter audience, it's genius. I hate it but it's genius.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He didn't have a new movie for 5 years, that kills interest

              except even in the current state of the mcu falloff, it still has incredibly high interest

              >I'm pretty sure he also spent the entirety of last year without a comic series

              his most recent series ended in august. and thats not counting the various minis hes had

              >I also doubt there will be more Deadpool movies after the third

              even if there are no more deadpool movies after this, the works been done. a highly successful movie franchise that helped launch the character to unforseen heights. even with the cartoon that harley has, wade outshines the shit out of her. her defining trait is being a lesbian with ivy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Going by this logic you should have Trump, Bush, Biden, and Obama on Mt Rushmore now

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Mount Rushmore" is a monument to four of the greatest builders in American history, not just four random celebrities from the 1920s when the monument was designed. It should therefore be the four comic characters that best represent the creation and development of the comic industry.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not just four random celebrities from the 1920s when the monument was designed
      this it should be Deadpool, Spiderman, Wolverine and Dr Doom

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Wolverine and Dr Doom
        They ain't popular anymore

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Superman, Batman, Spider-man and Wolverine also fit this mold
      >Superman
      The George Washington, the OG, THE superhero, without whom many others would have never existed, he belongs on here full stop. A paragon of justice and right, the goodiest of good guys
      >Batman
      The peak of pulp fiction heroes, whereas Superman has fantastical powers Batman is the ideal version of 'grounded' heroes who don't have anything beyond their skills, wit, and tech. Pragmatism rules over ideals
      >Spider-man
      The one who put forth the idea that younger heroes weren't relegated to just being sidekicks, someone who has neither Superman's overwhelming power nor Batman's considerable wealth and being a hero often has serious conflicts with their social life that hadn't been explored so indepth before. Also the mother of all quipsters
      >Wolverine
      Tragedy, grit, and edge of the genre personified, all the darker elements pushed to their limits and also capturing the generally unique feel of the X-men that is being persecuted and reviled for your powers, rather than applauded, and yet despite the hardships of the world giving them a harsh exterior lies a good soul deep within.

      I feel like these generally cover almost every trope you can think of applying to the medium

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For what it's worth I think Wonder-Woman occupies a solid No. 5 slot - even more so than the Hulk I feel like she's the next most recognized hero. And she is without a doubt the Superman of female heroes - there isn't a single heroine in either DC/Marvel that compares to Wonder Woman in recognition and impact on the genre, Marvel has no equivalent to Wonder Woman despite decades of trying to force one into that niche

        But she isn't more famous/well-known than Wolverine at this point

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Tragedy, grit, and edge of the genre personified, all the darker elements pushed to their limits and also capturing the generally unique feel of the X-men that is being persecuted and reviled for your powers, rather than applauded, and yet despite the hardships of the world giving them a harsh exterior lies a good soul deep within.

        Feel that's no longer relevant, there's ao.much edge in comicbook ev3ryone copy Wolverine stick I say deadpool should be number 4 because hes a parody and a nerd culture spokesperson of comicbook/pop culture fiction and the superhero genre

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then it should be the Phantom, Superman, Batman, and Captain America/human torch

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fourth is Deadpool who became the new Wolverine since Civil War.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    nobody actually gives a shit about Wonder Woman. The correct answer is Robin

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Goku, SS Goku, SS 3 Goku, Batman Goku

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is no question to the top four, it's
    >Superman
    >Batman
    >Spider-man
    >Wolverine
    Pic related. Captain America only comes close (and still falls short 50 million copies) because of a twenty year head start and still loses to X-men despite that.

    X-men also has the single most sold comic book ever at over 8,000,000 copies for the 90's "X-men #1" on which Wolverine is on the cover. Even if he wasn't, it is beyond question that he is the face of the X-men and individually the only other Marvel character who competes with Spider-man in both recognition and critical success, rated Wizard Magazine's #1 comic book character of all time (in which the top four are, appropriately enough, also Superman Batman and Spider-man)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wouldn't that mean Captain America would be on there? He's sold more issues for his own title rather than on a team than any other single character on that list that isn't Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How long has Superman been stuck at 600 million?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For most of comics history, Marvel dominantly outsold DC. X-Men has been their flagship title for most of it. It should be Wolverine.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Woman lacks a lot of the fundamentals that other characters have.
    Example: Where does she live?

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >buttmand

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    See this is why I can't fricking stand Wonder Woman.
    >You dislike her?
    Sexist!
    >She loses a fight
    Sexist!

    They only like this character because she's a woman. I really think she represents everything that has gone wrong with comics.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Wolverine Publicity" was a known and documented phenomena back in the 90s. Deadpool did the same in the 00s.
    Wonder Woman Publicity has never been a thing. In fact the opposite is true; one of her most recommended stories relies on the fact that she shares it with Batman.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is an iconic wonder woman comic? Cover? Moment?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To add onto this anon, it has to be JUST Wonder Woman. No association with Batman or Superman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      her live action TV show has carried her ass all this time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know any but I assume it's because I don't read comics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name an iconic wonder woman moment

      I've yet to see someone post an iconic wonder woman moment, comic cover, issue, run, etc.

      her iconic moment is snapping maxwell lord's neck

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That’s not iconic nor is that known about outside of shitposters in a niche corner of the internet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          that's what i'm getting at

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the wonder woman equivalent to these?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These aren't even equivalent to one another
      Wolverine's limited series isn't THAT iconic anymore and Hulk's original issues are actual dogshit, there's a reason he was originally cancelled after 6 issues.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Okay then it shouldn't be hard to post a cover as iconic as any of them for Wonder Woman. She's been around for 8 decades

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Of all of the iconic Batman covers, Batman #1 really isn't one of them. But regardless, you are showing strong proof why Wolverine should be #4. Hulk was iconic but for whatever reason, audiences don't connect with him like they did. If it was before the 1990s, Hulk is definitely the fourth head.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think you even understand what Mount Rushmore represents.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised no one says Robin. Dick is arguably more iconic/popular than Wonder Woman, even for being a sidekick.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      An accessory to Batman

      You might as well say the Rushmore of comics consists of Superman, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Lex Luthor

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wonder woman is the exact same way

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Teen Titans has been the only brand DC hasn't sunk that is. That 03 series and Go has solidified Dick as a bigger hero than a majority of the DC universe

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Robin is the quintessential sidekick. If Batman weren't popular Robin would still be the default sidekick, his archetype trascends Batman and you can tell when someone is making their own Robin.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Wolverine as the 4th and it isn't close. Character has had a ton of comics and been the face of countless live action movies.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wolverine obviously
    wizard already wrote this article how old are you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not everybody here is in their 40s.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wonder woman? b***h please.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's literally Wolverine

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the more i think about it the less sense makes to have Spiderman there at all. He is derivative from Robin, Daredevil and Superman, and hasn't really brought anything new to the medium. People wanting Wolverine have a stronger argument, because Wolverine arguably brought all the edge to comics at the time, and is the reason Spawn and Hellboy exist at all.
    So i would say remove peter, add Robin and Wolverine, and call it a day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This genuinely might be one of the worst takes I've ever read on the board

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cry more

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It should be Rusty Venture.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Robin is split between too many characters now to be an option.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't matter. The greater audiences don't give a shit about the individual characters. Batman and Robin are icons with everyday relevance. The fact that they're still the go to term for any exceptional pairing is crazy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      pretty sure people who say batman are thinking about miller/burton batman, and those saying robin are thinking about 60s robin.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even think spiderman should be there. He's popular but not groundbreaking. It should be Mr Fantastic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      was curious how long until someone brought the F4, any really.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >He's popular but not groundbreaking.
      The NWH movie made more money than any other movie could during the pandemic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is "What if Plastic Man was dull and humorless" groundbreaking?

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hulk Smash in itself is more iconic than Wonder Woman. I see alot of people wearing Avengers Spiderman, Superman, Batman merch quite frequently. I see alot of places where I live steal Superman image for the business. I almost never anything Wonder Woman related with the exception of one gay guy wearing a rainbow version of her logo shirt.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The sculpture features the heads of four United States presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, chosen to represent the nation's birth, growth, development, and preservation, respectively.
    So what superheroes represent birth, growth development and preservation of superheroes or comics?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Birth - The Phantom
      Growth - Superman
      Development - Spider-Man
      Preservation - Batman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      tarzan, conan, zorro and the phantom?

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Woman has name recognition even if her books don't sell and she doesn't draw an audience. If you were to ask your grandmother to name superheros, she would be able to name Wonder Woman.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >ask grandma
      >she mentions aquaman, wolverine, heman and thor because she wants to frick them

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hulk has name recognition even if his books don't sell and he doesn't draw an audience. If you were to ask your grandfather to name superheros, he would be able to name Hulk.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is discussing the mount Rushmore of superheroes always so
    Is this a thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't, just another self-congratulatory wankfest of the Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man fandom, with the fourth head being the most popular hero of that time period. Technically, Iron Man's head would be occupying that position, but that could possibly change 10 years from now.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It should be 2 DC and 2 Marvel to be fair and Batman and Superman have to be on it. For Marvel, Spider-Man definitely. There's an argument for Hulk, Wolverine, Iron Man, Thor, and even the Thing to be #4 but deep down, I know it is Captain America.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The cover of him punching Hitler is pretty fricking iconic, and it's been referenced across multiple instances.

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real truth is that there is no fourth and its a three musketeer

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not even Wonder Woman's origin is iconic and it keeps changing every few years.
    Whereas everyone knows the mythos to Superman, Batman and Spider-Man.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone knows Wonder Woman is an Amazonian who was sent to the world of man. Whether she was molded from clay or the result of Zeus fricking Hippolyta or the result of Amazonian rape gangs isn't the important part.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Everyone knows Wonder Woman is an Amazonian who was sent to the world of man. Whether she was molded from clay or the result of Zeus fricking Hippolyta or the result of Amazonian rape gangs isn't the important part.
        I didn't know that.

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Goku

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Goku
      I know it's a joke post, but it's a good point.
      Are we only analyzing the heroes of American comics or all the heroes of printed art in general?
      I mean, we cannot deny the iconicity and popularity of Goku and Sailor Moon.
      **they are also more iconic than wonder woman**

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        goku is not a superhero

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He has saved the world several times, that already puts him in the superhero category.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that puts him in the protagonist and "they got in my way" category. Nothing about goku is heroic beyond being a sort of okish guy who will fight for his friends

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >"they got in my way"
              A guy can beat up a bank robber just because he was in his way and he'll still be considered a hero.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                right but that doesn't make them a superhero nor necessarily heroic. Sometimes conflicts align which can make someone the hero of a moment but it's still fundamentally different from how superheroes operate

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's no vigilante. He's a martial artist who's more concerned with self improvement and facing strong foes. Helping others is just a bonus.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t think you’re wrong that Usagi deserves the spot on the mountain more than Diana, but her hair would be really fricking hard to carve out

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >but her hair would be really fricking hard to carve out.
          Ok, you're right, carving perfect spheres is very difficult.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who honestly, honestly, gives a single frick about Wonder Woman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nobody. She's pretty much just trivia and diversity inclusion

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      DC tried real hard to push the Trinity idea real hard. Have they given up on it yet?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No sadly, I wonder woman should be replaced with GL or Flash.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WW is only there because "muh womun" not because it makes a good group dynamic.

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Popeye

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can't really do a Mount Rushmore without somebody being the odd man out, there aren't any others close to the same level as those three.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >there aren't any others close to the same level as those three.
      Maybe Stan Lee.

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mt. Rushmore should be creators, not characters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      oh boy a whole two people

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Space Ghost.

  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wonder woman is not even close to the same league as the others. Maybe in the 40s you could put her there, but not now.

  57. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People actually trying to argue cultural impact
    Wonder Woman's in a whole other league from he likes of Wolverine.
    Sailor Moon didn't steal her boots for shits and giggles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name an iconic wonder woman moment

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Deflecting bullets with her bracelets.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What does Wondie have going for her other than "Woman"? It should be Robin or Hulk

        Even without that Wonder Woman is THE female superhero, nobody else even comes close. You would be hard pressed to find somebody who isn't mentally impaired or under 2 who doesn't know Wonder Woman

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Wonder Woman is THE female superhero
          That's like being the nicest guy in prison

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I understand that you were trying for a burn, but it was shit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          have you considered that being female isn't enough?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Being the definitive female superhero for the greater part of a century is a hell of a thing to handwave away with a "being female isn't enough." More people globally know her than know Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, or whoever you're going to nominate.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >more people know her than Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk
              I genuinely don't think that's true, especially when you're adding in non-english places with a frickton of people (China, India, etc.)
              The Flash might even have more recognition than her, but I wouldn't nominate the Flash because then you have to get into the different versions, which isn't an issue the other serious contenders have.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Sees a picture of a Korean movie blatantly based on WW
                >"I bet they don't know about her in non-English speaking countries."

                Wonder Woman's wiki article exists in 103 languages. Hulk's in 80. Iron Man 70. The Flash 47. She's been parodied or referenced in countless shows and movies that, yes, got translated for foreign audiences. People know her. They may not know much about her, but they see her and recognize her.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Wonder Woman's wiki article exists in 103 languages. Hulk's in 80. Iron Man 70. The Flash 47.
                judging by this thread i can without any doubt claim that wonder woman gays are the most vocal little b***hes and WILL force their moronic character down everyone throats because "woman". No wonder (pun intended) she got so many articles.
                >robin and goku 38 entries
                guess nobody knows them the poor croatians missing out.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Guess nobody knows them
                Goku is vastly less well-known globally, yes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                delusional

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > wonder woman gays are the most vocal little b***hes and WILL force their moronic character down everyone throats because "woman".
                This is true. Been a DC fan for over a decade, Wonder Woman fans are by far the nastiest sexist group of people. Full of gays too. They think she deserves everything because she’s a woman. I’m not fricking joking. I’m glad Warnerbros barely gives her and her horrible fans content, simply put the character doesn’t deserve it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's about as meaningful as Black Panther being THE black superhero. She has her niche but she gets hard carried by trinity and group events. You'll never hear people ask "Have you read the new Wonder Woman?" because she's just a token female, a walking vegana that they put on group shots for diversity purposes. Meanwhile, Superman and Batman are like day and night, light and darkness, hope and fear. She's the third wheel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My dude, she has reached a level of pop-culture visibility so high that it doesn't matter a whit if people are reading the latest issue. They made her an honorary UN Ambassador. Is that moronic? Yes, definitely, absolutely, but that's not the sort of moronic thing people do for just any character.

                Wonder Woman has only two things going for her;
                She's a female solo hero who isn't derivative of an existing male hero,
                She's an old character pushed relentlessly by DC (among many others).
                Superman was an important character post WW2 but hasn't meant much in 50 years aside from being an inspiration for better characters.

                I always laff when DCfriends promote a character first and foremost with "well, they are olde"

                If we were talking quality you might have a point. But if we're talking who's the most iconic, then yes anon, the dudes that have been consistently around the longest have a clear advantage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hey made her an honorary UN Ambassador
                And everyone involved became deeply, deeply embarrassed over that one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also, this is Mount Rushmore, no one gives a frick how well known they are in Yurop or Bugmanlandia.

  58. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yup. The French made "Anyone can get AIDS" adds with Superman and Wonder Woman, not Superman and Iron Man. You don't have to like her or her stories, but pretending that she isn't in the top-4 most iconic superheroes is moronic.

  59. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where did all these WW shills come from at last minute. To respond that close to one another is strange.

  60. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What does Wondie have going for her other than "Woman"? It should be Robin or Hulk

  61. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All these nerd and pop culture pundits keep saying how good Wonder Woman is when, in reality, she's just a well written character. The bar is so low for women superheroes that she clearly stands above all the others. In comparison to her male counterparts however, she's mediocre.

    Wonder e-girl, on the other hand..

  62. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fourth face should be Spawn.

  63. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Woman has only two things going for her;
    She's a female solo hero who isn't derivative of an existing male hero,
    She's an old character pushed relentlessly by DC (among many others).
    Superman was an important character post WW2 but hasn't meant much in 50 years aside from being an inspiration for better characters.

    I always laff when DCfriends promote a character first and foremost with "well, they are olde"

  64. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wolverine or Deadpool

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The correct answer is: Spider-Man, Batman, Archie and Charlie Brown.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        switch spiderman with popeye and you got yourself a monument.

  65. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Freakazoid!

  66. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've yet to see someone post an iconic wonder woman moment, comic cover, issue, run, etc.

  67. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The objective fact is that the Mount Rushmore of superheroes should just be Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. Everyone else is so far fricking below that they are irrelevant. Wonder Woman is nowhere near their status, she's basically on the same level as other kinda popular heroes like Hulk and has been since even before the MCU was a twinkle in Kevin Feige's eye.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And to top it off, most people who were aware of Wonder Woman before the 2010s tended to assume that she was Superman's girlfriend. No, seriously.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >most people who were aware of Wonder Woman before the 2010s tended to assume that she was Superman's girlfriend.
        Wait, she's not?

  68. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    f there's anyone, it's Wolverine.
    >Most popular member of Marvel's biggest superhero team by far, he's become the face of the X-Men even though he isn't even a founding member
    >Multiple video games, movies, cartoons, etc revolving around him
    >Basically the one that made anti-heroes a cool thing, same with claws and regen
    There's a reason why Marvel's big three is him, Spidey, and Hulk.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sexts confirm holy shit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not how spell Deadpool or Punisher.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fricking based as hell.
      >him, Spidey, and Hulk.
      and adding to this, Spiderman is Marvel's Superman, but there is no Wolverine/Hulk equivalent in DC. Those 2 are actual icons and redefined the genre.

  69. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It was riding the novelty and hype of there being a DCU when that shit fell apart many of the DCU movies ended up performing badly
    It was also riding on “The female Superhero movie defying stereotypes.”

  70. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Wonder Woman doesn't even work as a hero, DC knew that the first movie only worked because it was a romance movie with war skin, that's why they tried to revive Steve in the second one.

  71. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    No, the only good thing about Wonder Woman is the copious amounts of bdsm and rape porn featuring her. Rape correction is unironically the peak of her character.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wonder Woman is on some level the only reason anime is as popular as it is. Not just the physical magical-girl spin, I mean the entire dynamic of modern female anime characters kind of traces back to Wonder Woman.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's a note of truth to this and I won't deny it, but again, the pinnacle of Wonder Woman's character (and many magical girls inspired by her) is that of rape correction.

  72. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    If anything they hurt her by not going hard enough on the Greek mythology, like they're embarrassed by it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      is that a katana?

  73. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't frick with us Popeye fans, we'll show up once every few months in a powerscaling thread, say "Popeye solos", and leave.

  74. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder Woman sucks because she only was designed to prove a point.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i'm 90% certaiin that a big reason DC can never design a good male version of wonder woman for gender swapped universes is that her character begins and ends with being a woman
      like they can easily do batman and superman with breasts but good job making diana work as the opposite gender

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >porn character works better as female
        This is a strength, not a weakness. Wonder Woman is best as mommydom damselbait and there is no reason to try to expand her out from that. Cute adventure stories featuring cute girls in sexy situations. We as a culture lost our way when we stopped accepting unabashed things like Charlie's Angels.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hilariously, original Wonder Woman probably could work for a modern day genderswap because they could use it as an excuse to winge about toxic masculinity again. Modern Wonder Woman is just a genderswapped generic dude.

  75. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    Don't frick with us Popeye fans, we'll show up once every few months in a powerscaling thread, say "Popeye solos", and leave.

    tbh I'd just put Donald in over Popeye and a lot of the problems would be fixed.
    Sure he's a couple years younger but he's ended up a lot more relevant.

  76. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if anything you could probably argue that flash holds a better chance at being in DC's top three considering how he has actual fans willing to talk about his best stories, how he's the poster boy of super speed, or how his comics invented the fricking multiverse

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Flashpoint is so much more better than anything Wonderflop can do.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >or how his comics invented the fricking multiverse
      Technically Wonder Woman had the first multiverse story 8 years before Flash Of Two Worlds, though Flash was the first to use the multiverse to have a current version of a hero interact with the previous established version.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The problem with Flash, as was mentioned above, is that there isn't a THE Flash.
      Batman is Bruce Wayne, Spiderman is Peter Parker, Wolverine is Logan - the fact is with The Flash you have to at least be considering Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, and Wally West. It makes it hard for it to be as definitive.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Most will say Barry. The only big exception is the Justice League cartoon using Wally, otherwise it is consistently Barry for anyone outside of avid comic readers.

        Same can be said for Robin. I doubt anyone really defines Robin as anyone but Dick given he was Robin in the 60s show, B&R, Teen Titans (03 and Go) and Young Justice. The main stream always depicts the others as off-shoots or they have an entirely unique identity like Red Hood.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >his comics invented the fricking multiverse
      is a science term, flash didn't invented shit.
      May as well Superman was the first comic with a sky.

  77. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    He says, as anime/manga series featuring female characters routinely sell like gangbusters beyond what western comics do. It's not the 90s anymore. Make Wonder Woman a manic pixie dreamgirl magical girlfriend to Steve Trevor who pulls him into adventures constantly, and make her cute instead of a modern feminist. That will sell.

  78. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >because Star is monumentally NOT likable
    Exactly. So make her cute instead. Have Steve Trevor be a rational man with a good head on his shoulders, and have Wonder Woman be half naive foreign princess and half goofy tomboy warrior, and have them go on what should be Normal Military Activities but become pulpy adventures due to her influence. On some level, Wonder Woman should be action Haruhi Suzumiya plus bdsm fanservice.

  79. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You need to calm down a little. It's not normal to launch into rants like this unprovoked.

    [...]

    Well, now I am curious though, who IS Wonder-Woman, to you?

  80. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Admits to jerking off to Sailor Moon, an underage character
    >Calls someone else a pedophile

  81. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's over

  82. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, it's Wolverine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah he's not even the most popular xmen now

  83. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    STILL no memorable Wonder Woman comic, run, cover or moment being posted. Interesting

  84. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If not Wonder Woman just for representation's sake, then Captain America. He was one of the many American-themed superheroes created at the time yet still rose to the top despite the competition and is the only one to stay relevant to this day, and not just relevant, but managing to regain a level of popularity unseen since his WW2 days, especially in an era where it's in vogue to shit on America, earned or otherwise.

  85. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sixpack is the obvious choice.

  86. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The issue is that there are plenty of good characters in DC and Marvel. Hell, even choosing four from one company would cause arguments, let alone both. And what if you want to include indies? Honestly, I think it should be something like Batman, Superman, Captain America, and Spider-Man, but even that has its flaws.

  87. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's Wolverine.
    If you are asking asking outside of the comics and on being an icon to the crowd alone then Iron Man should go there but no homosexual will ever want to admit it.

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