Why is discussing the mount Rushmore of superheroes so disingenuous and why does it always boil down to people buttmand and arguing about their favorite not being included or trying to "make it even" by forcing another marvel characters and tearing down Wonder Woman?
I think it's an objective fact that the 4 characters that it should be are Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wonder Woman.
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Why is Superman there
Because he's the most iconic superhero of all time
Bruce and Pete are there because sales
He's like the biggest superhero of all time, had a ton of derivatives, and for a longer stretch than most characters not named Spider-Man, maintained a pretty strong profile.
Wonder woman is unironically a meme.
>I think it's an objective fact that the 4 characters that it should be are Superman, Batman, Spiderman and Wonder Woman.
Pretty much. Spider-Man the teen hero main character is what really set Marvel apart from DC.
>People think its not Wonder Woman
Show your grandma a picture of Wonder Woman and she'll probably know it's Wonder Woman. She's just iconic on a level that the likes of Iron Man and Wolverine aren't. "Showing up first" counts for a lot, and she's been around for 80 years.
And?
She hasn't done anything in 80 years. Rushmore's about people who changed the face the of the country (in this case, superhero comics). That's just not the case here.
Compare it to someone like Buck Rogers - who has done massively more for the genre, and he's not even a superhero.
It should be Anpanman.
This. Replace Superman with Anpanman.
>Bigger media franchise than Batman, and the entire MCU combined
Only real answer right there.
I don't get it, is he just that popular in the east?
There are Anpanmam museums and I'm pretty sure it's the most popular charecter in Japan ever
I haven't heard of him before looking him up.
He is a CHAD and a LEGEND.
You know how popular baby shows are usually pretty big money makers through merchandising and advertisement for a few years, but they usually eventually lose momentum or age out with their audiences? Anpanman is like that in several Asian countries except it won't fricking die and has been the number 1 baby show for decades. It's got like a Sesame Street level legacy, except it's a super hero made out of bread. Thing is it has like no exposure outside of those Asian regions so it always catches people off guard how high it is in the list.
There aren't 4 characters because there have never been more than 3 large superheroes at a time. You could maybe say it's Cyclops or Wolverine, though.
It's either Wolverine, Wonder Woman or Hulk
Needs all 3 there they're around equal standing, though normalgays will disagree with Hulk now
>Wonder Woman.
hilarious, but theres no way. the hulk is more popular than she is
Unironically, i think Wonder Woman is ratehr underutilized. I mean, she's never really had a storyline built around her, with her taking part in other characters stories more often. Characters who deserve that more are:
>Iron Man (Kind of the face that brought superheroes that weren't Batman to the mainstream)
>Wolverine or some other representative for the X-Men (Consistently popular for just as long as Spider-Man)
>Wally West (The best Flash, fite me)
>Never had an animated series
>Never had a videogame
>2 animated films ever
>2 live action films ever and one was a commercial/critical failure
That is the sum total of Wonder Woman's 80+ years pf existence and you want to put her on a fricking Mount Rushmore. Daphne and Velma are more popular DC charecters than Wonder Woman and I'm only half joking
It's also free to air, where Boomerang holds out for the dwindling cable market. They love to reinvent themselves instead of fix something old.
Wrong thread but as someone who doesn't pay for cable amd only has an antenna and ramdom streaming services I'll enjoy putting toons on in the background
Boy, that's a frickup on my part.
ive pretty much argued this point as to why WW is iconic, but not popular. shes a figure that people know about but dc has never really tried to utilize, and thats kinda killed her appeal over time
To be on the Mount Rushmore of superheroes you need to be iconic and popular.
At this point, Harley is more iconic and popular than wondy.
popular, sure, but iconic? no. wonder woman is still THE female dc hero.
You left out the three-season TV-show back in the 70s that helped push her so far to the head of the pack of superheroes (alongside Batman and Superman) that only Spider-Man has reached her global recognition-level since.
Superman, Batman and Spiderman all had tv series before her. So did Shazam. Hulk's tv series was more popular and ran around the same time.
It is kind of strange that Wonder Woman has never had an animated series. Were they just worried that boys wouldn't watch it?
Robin
once again people are trying to pick their favorite or who is currently popular rather than who is objectively iconic.
By this braindead metric Taylor Smith, Justin Beiber, Rihanna, and whatever garbage singer are the absolute pinnacle or music because they sell billions.
>wolverine
>cyclops
i can see an argument for Wolverine but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out, a game and a show that's currently popular.
whoever says cyclops should be there is an absolute fricking moron and I say that as Scott Summers fan. He's by far my favorite X-Men and it's annoying to see all the newbies now deciding he's cool after they watched an episode of X-Men 97.
even with all the shilling for X-Men that Disney has been pushing lately, it doesn't make Wolverine (the objectively most popular X-Men) as iconic as Batman/Superman/Spiderman
those characters transend comics and the ONLY other character who has achieved that is Wonder Woman.
>i can see an argument for Wolverine but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out, a game and a show that's currently popular.
moron
The Hulk is more iconic than wonder woman
Maybe 20 years ago. no one gives a frick about him now
Nobody cares about wonder woman now either
Hulk Out is still what you say when you get angry
Not exactly a common phrase, but more than what I can say about Wonder Woman as far as references to her character are concerned, even a mundane phrase like "On your left." is heavily attributed to Captain America.
I also want to know what people are talking about when they mean "iconic," because I'm certain that the more popular characters you can rattle off that's appeared within the last 20 years in popular media that aren't Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man can be considered iconic, from Iron Man's helmet, Captain America's shield, to Deadpool's mask. What determines what is more iconic than the others?
How pop cultural it is, like I know you got some boomers refering the Wonder Woman spin from the Lynda Carter series. But for the new generations the phrase "Hulk Smash" or "Puny God" are still more relevant in the collective hive mind
>How pop cultural it is
In that case, one of the MCU protagonists, likely Iron Man.
pop culture is worthless and changes all the time, what matters is what sticks to the wall.
30 years later people still talk about The Killing Joke because it's iconic.
One good way to track down what's iconic is the number of copycats. People say "wonderwoman is THE female hero" but nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean.
>People say "wonderwoman is THE female hero"
Nobody says that, they say they know her.
People still talk about Going Hulk by before I was born according to my father
>nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean
Because nobody thinks of Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean at all
Storm was crazy popular before the petty fox movie nonsense. Hell that's pretty much when they started the Captain Carol push as the main heroine
>but nobody thinks about wonderwoman at all when they see Carol or Wasp or Storm or Jean.
Funny thing is that they're more likely to think about Wanda than any single one of those characters.
I hate to break it to you anon but I hate Tay Swift and yet she’s undoubtedly making her way into that stratosphere if not already there.
>but i'm 100% sure people only pick him because he has a movie coming out
You must be 16 years old if you don’t know how big wolverine was even well before live action movies were a consideration.
>those characters transend comics and the ONLY other character who has achieved that is Wonder Woman.
Lmfao
How would you measure what is "objectively iconic" without invoking popularity? "Objectively" my ass, you are just trying to pass your shitty opinion as fact.
also notice how nobody has brought up Ironman or Captain America, the literal faces of the MCU/Marvel 5 years ago
They're popular (or were popular) but they aren't actually iconic.
Amazing how you gays bring this shit here because you got mogged by twitter. Cinemaphile is technically your safespace because you know your opinions will get assblasted on that site. Sad.
>Ironman or Captain America
I forgot they existed.
The post was orignally from twitter. If you bring up Cap being there you'll get crapped on.
even today burtonman and raimiman are more iconic than the MCU.
It's Wolverine
>super popular even before the super hero movie boom
>known by pretty much everyone
>iconic looks and powers
Wonder Woman i would put in fifth place, main problem with her is that for most of her existence, the normies had no idea what her deal was, until the movies most probably didn't even know her Greek Mythology connection, despite being the most popular mythology by far.
Hulk in sixth place, would have been higher if he had more luck in the movie side, he need a new solo asap.
wonder woman can't stand on her own, her popularity is pretty much tied to batman and superman, and her being a woman.
wonder woman is basically the same shit as Sakura from Naruto
>her popularity
this is the problem with this, too many people see this as "the 4 most popular superheroes" or "MY 4 favorite superheroes" rather than the 4 most objectively iconic superheros
are you really iconic if the only thing people know about you is that you are a woman? because thats quite literaly wonder woman's case
What is your definition of iconic
I don't know if you guys are ready for this conversation but Robin has a better argument to be there than Wonder woman
She doesn't care if it's cheating.
It should be Santa.
Not only is he popular, he's one of the most iconic characters in existence.
We're talking about fictional characters here
>Wonder Woman
No. Hulk, Wolverine, Cap and Iron-Man all have better cases. Harley is more popular than Wonder Woman.
Batman should not be on there, he got popular because of the Joker.
The four most culturally relevant cape characters are Harley Quinn, Joker, Batman, and Spider-Man, in that order.
I don't like it either but those are the characters zoomers identify with the most.
Deadpool, Homelander and Omni-Man are a little lower but also on the list. The Avengers are losing relevance by the year. Superman lost it long ago.
bait
More like sad reality.
>The four most culturally relevant cape characters are Harley Quinn
how so? shes not bigger than deadpool in any regard
Deadpool doesn't have a cartoon series. Harley has one and an upcoming anime for the lowest common denominator. She's also pretty much the ultimate female power fantasy due to the hyper-amplified bawdtiness aspect, Deadpool doesn't have that.
deadpool has 2 popular movies and a heavily anticipated 3rd, as a character he has much, much more eyes on him than harley
>as a character he has much, much more eyes on him than harley
Absolutely not. You wouldn't even be saying this right now if we didn't have the new trailer. He didn't have a new movie for 5 years, that kills interest. I'm pretty sure he also spent the entirety of last year without a comic series, which should be unheard of for a character of such caliber. Harley can't go a month without appearing somewhere.
I also doubt there will be more Deadpool movies after the third, Reynolds isn't getting younger and 3 is a nice number to finish on. Which means the interest will keep dwindling, while Harley will always have the lowest common denominator to keep her afloat. Both the coomer audience and the female twitter audience, it's genius. I hate it but it's genius.
>He didn't have a new movie for 5 years, that kills interest
except even in the current state of the mcu falloff, it still has incredibly high interest
>I'm pretty sure he also spent the entirety of last year without a comic series
his most recent series ended in august. and thats not counting the various minis hes had
>I also doubt there will be more Deadpool movies after the third
even if there are no more deadpool movies after this, the works been done. a highly successful movie franchise that helped launch the character to unforseen heights. even with the cartoon that harley has, wade outshines the shit out of her. her defining trait is being a lesbian with ivy.
Going by this logic you should have Trump, Bush, Biden, and Obama on Mt Rushmore now
"Mount Rushmore" is a monument to four of the greatest builders in American history, not just four random celebrities from the 1920s when the monument was designed. It should therefore be the four comic characters that best represent the creation and development of the comic industry.
>not just four random celebrities from the 1920s when the monument was designed
this it should be Deadpool, Spiderman, Wolverine and Dr Doom
>Wolverine and Dr Doom
They ain't popular anymore
Superman, Batman, Spider-man and Wolverine also fit this mold
>Superman
The George Washington, the OG, THE superhero, without whom many others would have never existed, he belongs on here full stop. A paragon of justice and right, the goodiest of good guys
>Batman
The peak of pulp fiction heroes, whereas Superman has fantastical powers Batman is the ideal version of 'grounded' heroes who don't have anything beyond their skills, wit, and tech. Pragmatism rules over ideals
>Spider-man
The one who put forth the idea that younger heroes weren't relegated to just being sidekicks, someone who has neither Superman's overwhelming power nor Batman's considerable wealth and being a hero often has serious conflicts with their social life that hadn't been explored so indepth before. Also the mother of all quipsters
>Wolverine
Tragedy, grit, and edge of the genre personified, all the darker elements pushed to their limits and also capturing the generally unique feel of the X-men that is being persecuted and reviled for your powers, rather than applauded, and yet despite the hardships of the world giving them a harsh exterior lies a good soul deep within.
I feel like these generally cover almost every trope you can think of applying to the medium
For what it's worth I think Wonder-Woman occupies a solid No. 5 slot - even more so than the Hulk I feel like she's the next most recognized hero. And she is without a doubt the Superman of female heroes - there isn't a single heroine in either DC/Marvel that compares to Wonder Woman in recognition and impact on the genre, Marvel has no equivalent to Wonder Woman despite decades of trying to force one into that niche
But she isn't more famous/well-known than Wolverine at this point
>Tragedy, grit, and edge of the genre personified, all the darker elements pushed to their limits and also capturing the generally unique feel of the X-men that is being persecuted and reviled for your powers, rather than applauded, and yet despite the hardships of the world giving them a harsh exterior lies a good soul deep within.
Feel that's no longer relevant, there's ao.much edge in comicbook ev3ryone copy Wolverine stick I say deadpool should be number 4 because hes a parody and a nerd culture spokesperson of comicbook/pop culture fiction and the superhero genre
Then it should be the Phantom, Superman, Batman, and Captain America/human torch
Fourth is Deadpool who became the new Wolverine since Civil War.
nobody actually gives a shit about Wonder Woman. The correct answer is Robin
Goku, SS Goku, SS 3 Goku, Batman Goku
There is no question to the top four, it's
>Superman
>Batman
>Spider-man
>Wolverine
Pic related. Captain America only comes close (and still falls short 50 million copies) because of a twenty year head start and still loses to X-men despite that.
X-men also has the single most sold comic book ever at over 8,000,000 copies for the 90's "X-men #1" on which Wolverine is on the cover. Even if he wasn't, it is beyond question that he is the face of the X-men and individually the only other Marvel character who competes with Spider-man in both recognition and critical success, rated Wizard Magazine's #1 comic book character of all time (in which the top four are, appropriately enough, also Superman Batman and Spider-man)
Wouldn't that mean Captain America would be on there? He's sold more issues for his own title rather than on a team than any other single character on that list that isn't Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man.
How long has Superman been stuck at 600 million?
For most of comics history, Marvel dominantly outsold DC. X-Men has been their flagship title for most of it. It should be Wolverine.
Wonder Woman lacks a lot of the fundamentals that other characters have.
Example: Where does she live?
>buttmand
See this is why I can't fricking stand Wonder Woman.
>You dislike her?
Sexist!
>She loses a fight
Sexist!
They only like this character because she's a woman. I really think she represents everything that has gone wrong with comics.
"Wolverine Publicity" was a known and documented phenomena back in the 90s. Deadpool did the same in the 00s.
Wonder Woman Publicity has never been a thing. In fact the opposite is true; one of her most recommended stories relies on the fact that she shares it with Batman.
What is an iconic wonder woman comic? Cover? Moment?
To add onto this anon, it has to be JUST Wonder Woman. No association with Batman or Superman.
her live action TV show has carried her ass all this time.
I don't know any but I assume it's because I don't read comics
her iconic moment is snapping maxwell lord's neck
That’s not iconic nor is that known about outside of shitposters in a niche corner of the internet.
that's what i'm getting at
What's the wonder woman equivalent to these?
These aren't even equivalent to one another
Wolverine's limited series isn't THAT iconic anymore and Hulk's original issues are actual dogshit, there's a reason he was originally cancelled after 6 issues.
Okay then it shouldn't be hard to post a cover as iconic as any of them for Wonder Woman. She's been around for 8 decades
Of all of the iconic Batman covers, Batman #1 really isn't one of them. But regardless, you are showing strong proof why Wolverine should be #4. Hulk was iconic but for whatever reason, audiences don't connect with him like they did. If it was before the 1990s, Hulk is definitely the fourth head.
I don't think you even understand what Mount Rushmore represents.
Surprised no one says Robin. Dick is arguably more iconic/popular than Wonder Woman, even for being a sidekick.
An accessory to Batman
You might as well say the Rushmore of comics consists of Superman, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen and Lex Luthor
Wonder woman is the exact same way
Teen Titans has been the only brand DC hasn't sunk that is. That 03 series and Go has solidified Dick as a bigger hero than a majority of the DC universe
Robin is the quintessential sidekick. If Batman weren't popular Robin would still be the default sidekick, his archetype trascends Batman and you can tell when someone is making their own Robin.
It's Wolverine as the 4th and it isn't close. Character has had a ton of comics and been the face of countless live action movies.
wolverine obviously
wizard already wrote this article how old are you?
Not everybody here is in their 40s.
wonder woman? b***h please.
It's literally Wolverine
the more i think about it the less sense makes to have Spiderman there at all. He is derivative from Robin, Daredevil and Superman, and hasn't really brought anything new to the medium. People wanting Wolverine have a stronger argument, because Wolverine arguably brought all the edge to comics at the time, and is the reason Spawn and Hellboy exist at all.
So i would say remove peter, add Robin and Wolverine, and call it a day.
This genuinely might be one of the worst takes I've ever read on the board
cry more
It should be Rusty Venture.
Robin is split between too many characters now to be an option.
doesn't matter. The greater audiences don't give a shit about the individual characters. Batman and Robin are icons with everyday relevance. The fact that they're still the go to term for any exceptional pairing is crazy
pretty sure people who say batman are thinking about miller/burton batman, and those saying robin are thinking about 60s robin.
I don't even think spiderman should be there. He's popular but not groundbreaking. It should be Mr Fantastic.
was curious how long until someone brought the F4, any really.
>He's popular but not groundbreaking.
The NWH movie made more money than any other movie could during the pandemic
How is "What if Plastic Man was dull and humorless" groundbreaking?
Hulk Smash in itself is more iconic than Wonder Woman. I see alot of people wearing Avengers Spiderman, Superman, Batman merch quite frequently. I see alot of places where I live steal Superman image for the business. I almost never anything Wonder Woman related with the exception of one gay guy wearing a rainbow version of her logo shirt.
>The sculpture features the heads of four United States presidents: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, chosen to represent the nation's birth, growth, development, and preservation, respectively.
So what superheroes represent birth, growth development and preservation of superheroes or comics?
Birth - The Phantom
Growth - Superman
Development - Spider-Man
Preservation - Batman
tarzan, conan, zorro and the phantom?
Wonder Woman has name recognition even if her books don't sell and she doesn't draw an audience. If you were to ask your grandmother to name superheros, she would be able to name Wonder Woman.
>ask grandma
>she mentions aquaman, wolverine, heman and thor because she wants to frick them
Hulk has name recognition even if his books don't sell and he doesn't draw an audience. If you were to ask your grandfather to name superheros, he would be able to name Hulk.
>Why is discussing the mount Rushmore of superheroes always so
Is this a thing?
It isn't, just another self-congratulatory wankfest of the Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man fandom, with the fourth head being the most popular hero of that time period. Technically, Iron Man's head would be occupying that position, but that could possibly change 10 years from now.
It should be 2 DC and 2 Marvel to be fair and Batman and Superman have to be on it. For Marvel, Spider-Man definitely. There's an argument for Hulk, Wolverine, Iron Man, Thor, and even the Thing to be #4 but deep down, I know it is Captain America.
The cover of him punching Hitler is pretty fricking iconic, and it's been referenced across multiple instances.
The real truth is that there is no fourth and its a three musketeer
Not even Wonder Woman's origin is iconic and it keeps changing every few years.
Whereas everyone knows the mythos to Superman, Batman and Spider-Man.
Everyone knows Wonder Woman is an Amazonian who was sent to the world of man. Whether she was molded from clay or the result of Zeus fricking Hippolyta or the result of Amazonian rape gangs isn't the important part.
>Everyone knows Wonder Woman is an Amazonian who was sent to the world of man. Whether she was molded from clay or the result of Zeus fricking Hippolyta or the result of Amazonian rape gangs isn't the important part.
I didn't know that.
Goku
>Goku
I know it's a joke post, but it's a good point.
Are we only analyzing the heroes of American comics or all the heroes of printed art in general?
I mean, we cannot deny the iconicity and popularity of Goku and Sailor Moon.
**they are also more iconic than wonder woman**
goku is not a superhero
He has saved the world several times, that already puts him in the superhero category.
that puts him in the protagonist and "they got in my way" category. Nothing about goku is heroic beyond being a sort of okish guy who will fight for his friends
>"they got in my way"
A guy can beat up a bank robber just because he was in his way and he'll still be considered a hero.
right but that doesn't make them a superhero nor necessarily heroic. Sometimes conflicts align which can make someone the hero of a moment but it's still fundamentally different from how superheroes operate
He's no vigilante. He's a martial artist who's more concerned with self improvement and facing strong foes. Helping others is just a bonus.
I don’t think you’re wrong that Usagi deserves the spot on the mountain more than Diana, but her hair would be really fricking hard to carve out
>but her hair would be really fricking hard to carve out.
Ok, you're right, carving perfect spheres is very difficult.
Who honestly, honestly, gives a single frick about Wonder Woman
nobody. She's pretty much just trivia and diversity inclusion
DC tried real hard to push the Trinity idea real hard. Have they given up on it yet?
No sadly, I wonder woman should be replaced with GL or Flash.
WW is only there because "muh womun" not because it makes a good group dynamic.
Popeye
Can't really do a Mount Rushmore without somebody being the odd man out, there aren't any others close to the same level as those three.
>there aren't any others close to the same level as those three.
Maybe Stan Lee.
Mt. Rushmore should be creators, not characters.
oh boy a whole two people
Space Ghost.
wonder woman is not even close to the same league as the others. Maybe in the 40s you could put her there, but not now.
>People actually trying to argue cultural impact
Wonder Woman's in a whole other league from he likes of Wolverine.
Sailor Moon didn't steal her boots for shits and giggles.
Name an iconic wonder woman moment
Deflecting bullets with her bracelets.
Even without that Wonder Woman is THE female superhero, nobody else even comes close. You would be hard pressed to find somebody who isn't mentally impaired or under 2 who doesn't know Wonder Woman
>Wonder Woman is THE female superhero
That's like being the nicest guy in prison
I understand that you were trying for a burn, but it was shit.
have you considered that being female isn't enough?
Being the definitive female superhero for the greater part of a century is a hell of a thing to handwave away with a "being female isn't enough." More people globally know her than know Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, or whoever you're going to nominate.
>more people know her than Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk
I genuinely don't think that's true, especially when you're adding in non-english places with a frickton of people (China, India, etc.)
The Flash might even have more recognition than her, but I wouldn't nominate the Flash because then you have to get into the different versions, which isn't an issue the other serious contenders have.
>Sees a picture of a Korean movie blatantly based on WW
>"I bet they don't know about her in non-English speaking countries."
Wonder Woman's wiki article exists in 103 languages. Hulk's in 80. Iron Man 70. The Flash 47. She's been parodied or referenced in countless shows and movies that, yes, got translated for foreign audiences. People know her. They may not know much about her, but they see her and recognize her.
>Wonder Woman's wiki article exists in 103 languages. Hulk's in 80. Iron Man 70. The Flash 47.
judging by this thread i can without any doubt claim that wonder woman gays are the most vocal little b***hes and WILL force their moronic character down everyone throats because "woman". No wonder (pun intended) she got so many articles.
>robin and goku 38 entries
guess nobody knows them the poor croatians missing out.
>Guess nobody knows them
Goku is vastly less well-known globally, yes.
delusional
> wonder woman gays are the most vocal little b***hes and WILL force their moronic character down everyone throats because "woman".
This is true. Been a DC fan for over a decade, Wonder Woman fans are by far the nastiest sexist group of people. Full of gays too. They think she deserves everything because she’s a woman. I’m not fricking joking. I’m glad Warnerbros barely gives her and her horrible fans content, simply put the character doesn’t deserve it.
That's about as meaningful as Black Panther being THE black superhero. She has her niche but she gets hard carried by trinity and group events. You'll never hear people ask "Have you read the new Wonder Woman?" because she's just a token female, a walking vegana that they put on group shots for diversity purposes. Meanwhile, Superman and Batman are like day and night, light and darkness, hope and fear. She's the third wheel.
My dude, she has reached a level of pop-culture visibility so high that it doesn't matter a whit if people are reading the latest issue. They made her an honorary UN Ambassador. Is that moronic? Yes, definitely, absolutely, but that's not the sort of moronic thing people do for just any character.
If we were talking quality you might have a point. But if we're talking who's the most iconic, then yes anon, the dudes that have been consistently around the longest have a clear advantage.
>hey made her an honorary UN Ambassador
And everyone involved became deeply, deeply embarrassed over that one.
Also, this is Mount Rushmore, no one gives a frick how well known they are in Yurop or Bugmanlandia.
Yup. The French made "Anyone can get AIDS" adds with Superman and Wonder Woman, not Superman and Iron Man. You don't have to like her or her stories, but pretending that she isn't in the top-4 most iconic superheroes is moronic.
Where did all these WW shills come from at last minute. To respond that close to one another is strange.
What does Wondie have going for her other than "Woman"? It should be Robin or Hulk
All these nerd and pop culture pundits keep saying how good Wonder Woman is when, in reality, she's just a well written character. The bar is so low for women superheroes that she clearly stands above all the others. In comparison to her male counterparts however, she's mediocre.
Wonder e-girl, on the other hand..
The fourth face should be Spawn.
Wonder Woman has only two things going for her;
She's a female solo hero who isn't derivative of an existing male hero,
She's an old character pushed relentlessly by DC (among many others).
Superman was an important character post WW2 but hasn't meant much in 50 years aside from being an inspiration for better characters.
I always laff when DCfriends promote a character first and foremost with "well, they are olde"
Wolverine or Deadpool
The correct answer is: Spider-Man, Batman, Archie and Charlie Brown.
switch spiderman with popeye and you got yourself a monument.
Freakazoid!
I've yet to see someone post an iconic wonder woman moment, comic cover, issue, run, etc.
The objective fact is that the Mount Rushmore of superheroes should just be Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. Everyone else is so far fricking below that they are irrelevant. Wonder Woman is nowhere near their status, she's basically on the same level as other kinda popular heroes like Hulk and has been since even before the MCU was a twinkle in Kevin Feige's eye.
And to top it off, most people who were aware of Wonder Woman before the 2010s tended to assume that she was Superman's girlfriend. No, seriously.
>most people who were aware of Wonder Woman before the 2010s tended to assume that she was Superman's girlfriend.
Wait, she's not?
f there's anyone, it's Wolverine.
>Most popular member of Marvel's biggest superhero team by far, he's become the face of the X-Men even though he isn't even a founding member
>Multiple video games, movies, cartoons, etc revolving around him
>Basically the one that made anti-heroes a cool thing, same with claws and regen
There's a reason why Marvel's big three is him, Spidey, and Hulk.
sexts confirm holy shit
That's not how spell Deadpool or Punisher.
fricking based as hell.
>him, Spidey, and Hulk.
and adding to this, Spiderman is Marvel's Superman, but there is no Wolverine/Hulk equivalent in DC. Those 2 are actual icons and redefined the genre.
It was riding the novelty and hype of there being a DCU when that shit fell apart many of the DCU movies ended up performing badly
It was also riding on “The female Superhero movie defying stereotypes.”
Wonder Woman doesn't even work as a hero, DC knew that the first movie only worked because it was a romance movie with war skin, that's why they tried to revive Steve in the second one.
No, the only good thing about Wonder Woman is the copious amounts of bdsm and rape porn featuring her. Rape correction is unironically the peak of her character.
Wonder Woman is on some level the only reason anime is as popular as it is. Not just the physical magical-girl spin, I mean the entire dynamic of modern female anime characters kind of traces back to Wonder Woman.
There's a note of truth to this and I won't deny it, but again, the pinnacle of Wonder Woman's character (and many magical girls inspired by her) is that of rape correction.
If anything they hurt her by not going hard enough on the Greek mythology, like they're embarrassed by it.
is that a katana?
Don't frick with us Popeye fans, we'll show up once every few months in a powerscaling thread, say "Popeye solos", and leave.
Wonder Woman sucks because she only was designed to prove a point.
i'm 90% certaiin that a big reason DC can never design a good male version of wonder woman for gender swapped universes is that her character begins and ends with being a woman
like they can easily do batman and superman with breasts but good job making diana work as the opposite gender
>porn character works better as female
This is a strength, not a weakness. Wonder Woman is best as mommydom damselbait and there is no reason to try to expand her out from that. Cute adventure stories featuring cute girls in sexy situations. We as a culture lost our way when we stopped accepting unabashed things like Charlie's Angels.
Hilariously, original Wonder Woman probably could work for a modern day genderswap because they could use it as an excuse to winge about toxic masculinity again. Modern Wonder Woman is just a genderswapped generic dude.
tbh I'd just put Donald in over Popeye and a lot of the problems would be fixed.
Sure he's a couple years younger but he's ended up a lot more relevant.
if anything you could probably argue that flash holds a better chance at being in DC's top three considering how he has actual fans willing to talk about his best stories, how he's the poster boy of super speed, or how his comics invented the fricking multiverse
Flashpoint is so much more better than anything Wonderflop can do.
>or how his comics invented the fricking multiverse
Technically Wonder Woman had the first multiverse story 8 years before Flash Of Two Worlds, though Flash was the first to use the multiverse to have a current version of a hero interact with the previous established version.
The problem with Flash, as was mentioned above, is that there isn't a THE Flash.
Batman is Bruce Wayne, Spiderman is Peter Parker, Wolverine is Logan - the fact is with The Flash you have to at least be considering Jay Garrick, Barry Allen, and Wally West. It makes it hard for it to be as definitive.
Most will say Barry. The only big exception is the Justice League cartoon using Wally, otherwise it is consistently Barry for anyone outside of avid comic readers.
Same can be said for Robin. I doubt anyone really defines Robin as anyone but Dick given he was Robin in the 60s show, B&R, Teen Titans (03 and Go) and Young Justice. The main stream always depicts the others as off-shoots or they have an entirely unique identity like Red Hood.
>his comics invented the fricking multiverse
is a science term, flash didn't invented shit.
May as well Superman was the first comic with a sky.
He says, as anime/manga series featuring female characters routinely sell like gangbusters beyond what western comics do. It's not the 90s anymore. Make Wonder Woman a manic pixie dreamgirl magical girlfriend to Steve Trevor who pulls him into adventures constantly, and make her cute instead of a modern feminist. That will sell.
>because Star is monumentally NOT likable
Exactly. So make her cute instead. Have Steve Trevor be a rational man with a good head on his shoulders, and have Wonder Woman be half naive foreign princess and half goofy tomboy warrior, and have them go on what should be Normal Military Activities but become pulpy adventures due to her influence. On some level, Wonder Woman should be action Haruhi Suzumiya plus bdsm fanservice.
You need to calm down a little. It's not normal to launch into rants like this unprovoked.
Well, now I am curious though, who IS Wonder-Woman, to you?
>Admits to jerking off to Sailor Moon, an underage character
>Calls someone else a pedophile
It's over
I mean, it's Wolverine.
Nah he's not even the most popular xmen now
STILL no memorable Wonder Woman comic, run, cover or moment being posted. Interesting
If not Wonder Woman just for representation's sake, then Captain America. He was one of the many American-themed superheroes created at the time yet still rose to the top despite the competition and is the only one to stay relevant to this day, and not just relevant, but managing to regain a level of popularity unseen since his WW2 days, especially in an era where it's in vogue to shit on America, earned or otherwise.
Sixpack is the obvious choice.
The issue is that there are plenty of good characters in DC and Marvel. Hell, even choosing four from one company would cause arguments, let alone both. And what if you want to include indies? Honestly, I think it should be something like Batman, Superman, Captain America, and Spider-Man, but even that has its flaws.
It's Wolverine.
If you are asking asking outside of the comics and on being an icon to the crowd alone then Iron Man should go there but no homosexual will ever want to admit it.