Why is Episode V the only Star Wars movie that stands on its own as a truly great film?
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Why is Episode V the only Star Wars movie that stands on its own as a truly great film?
It’s the one Lucas was least involved in. Kershner was willing to standup to him. Plus it had a good script.
>Kershner
>Irvin Kershner was born in Philadelphia, to Russian-israeli parents. They were born in Kyiv, Russian Empire
Okay?
they not scared to fight
Fpbp
Lucasfilm hired a GOOD writer and director.
lol that isn't true at all, you know nothing about the making of empire strikes back. kershner only worked with the actors, the entire hoth battle sequence was designed by lucas
That was the stupidest part
cope. george has always been incredibly involved in the production of each film. he was basically the showrunner for both sequels in the OT
The less he ran the show the better the result
Fpbp.
It's the most "adult" of the 9 films. No jarjars, Ewoks, poop jokes, 50's diners and Mary Sues.
>Plus it had a good script.
>First act is pointless Hoth Battle where we know no one would die anyway, i.e. no stakes
>Second act is MF flying around lazy, Empire showing total incompetence, Solo being fricking creepy towards Leia
>The only good part of second act is Luke training
>Third act only gets good during Vader vs Luke
70% of ESB is boring chase fiesta with shitty written romance.
I firmly believe anyone who says ESB is the best SW movie is brainless gay.
ANH and ROTS are two best SW movies, both scrip and art wise.
lmao we got a youtuber here boys
>AAAH, I CANT TAKE THE CRITIQUE, BETTER NAME HIM SOME BAD(?) WORD!!!
>anyone who says ESB is the best SW movie is brainless gay
You just confirm what i say.
Imagine seething this much.
>ROTS
I hope you meant ROTJ because up until that point your post was actually coherent
>ROTS
You mean ROTJ?
Rots is a stupid prequel flick
>Look mom, I posted again
OTboomer
The prequels are genuinely garbage
No amount of memes and cope will change that
>The prequels are genuinely garbage
>Source: Dude trust me they're just bad because they just are ok?
this guy gets it
OTboomer = buzzword that actually means this: "you like good thing reagrdless of when it was made and you dislike shit that only a nostalgic kid would pretend it's good".
Not really an insult, prequeltard. Stupid kids like you will like the sequels in few years, lmao
>you like good thing reagrdless of when it was made
You actually just described prequelchads. OTboomers hate anything new and they hate the prequels because they conflict with the idealized version of Star Wars that they had invented in their minds after watching the OT when they were children 4.6 billion years ago. Prequelchads like the prequels anyways despite them being the new thing (which boomers love to hate).
>dislike shit that only a nostalgic kid would pretend it's good
Like the boring ass OT? Exactly. Only a nostalgic manchild like an OTboomer would pretend that schlock was good.
>You actually just described prequelchads.
Lol, no. You like thos shi movies because you were six back then, capeshitter. Meanwhile the OT is objectively good.
Feel free to like the sequels, they are NEW, therefore if you don't like them you are old and not openminded.
Take the L, nostalgiatard
>Stupid kids like you will like the sequels in few years, lmao
Blew your cover, shill.
>First act is completely different storyline
>Second act is literally boring forest adventures
>Third act is nonsensical battle, the only good part is whole Palpatine/Vader/Luke sequence
No, i meant ROTS.
To me prequel haters and ESB lovers are equally brainless for the different reasons.
While agree that the only good part of ROTJ is the P/V/L part, ROTS is still dogshit that doesn't fit and doesn't matter
wew lad
>Kershner
Wasn't it directed by Lawrence Kasdan?
you mean 4, Empire kinda sucks tbh
I can sense your potent obesity through my screen.
fpbp
>Shit twist without foreshadowing
>Sequel bait
No
>the son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi
>Vader who usually kills everyone who gets in his way insists on turning him instead
I think that's good enough.
I don't think he means within TESB itself, but in the previous movie. He's right: the original Star Wars doesn't foreshadow it because Lucas didn't have it planned yet. But the twist works for the story anyway.
there wasnt forshadowing but it flowed naturally. it was clear that Luke's father was a Jedi and also clear that obi wan was being less than truthful when he said "he betrayed and murdered your father"
it wasnt hinted but it was a natural progression
I still always wonder what George was thinking when Vader survived ANH. Was he confident it would get a sequel? After seeing Empire of Dreams it really seemed like he didn't think it would.
I imagine the idea would have been that killing Vader in a space battle would have robbed the story of having the two cross lightsabers, which was going to be needed if a sequel was even remotely possible as Luke and Vader were the only two remaining jedi and Luke had a very personal grudge.
He says he wasn't confident in a sequel but he very clearly built for it, all in. Luke didn't even fight with a lightsaber in the original film. He didn't have the idea of Vader being Luke's father, though.
Yep. In Splinters of the Mind's Eye, which was the scenario for possible sequel if SW flopped, Vader tries to murder Luke without any remorse whilr calling him 'Skywalker' outright
he wasn't planning on a sequel but wanted to leave the door open for sure.
My friends made a gay mob movie and even though we had no plans for a squequel we still left one loose end in case we decided to come back to the project so I imagine GL was thinking something similar
...just wishful thinking, also why he mentioned "the emperor" in the original movie
No it’s because the whole thing was an homage to flash Gordon serials and the villain has to escape to come back another day
>without foreshadowing
Dark Father being the evil baddie not enough for you?
It’s the only one what is objectively and legitimately a great film
Without empire Star Wars is just a pretty good sci fi movie. Empire is what made it what it is
>Empire is what made it what it is
Horrible schlock culminating in the Disney buyout?
You'd be right.
That would be IV
four is a snore for a big ol bore like yourself!
star wars wasn't even good until muppets got involved
That would be Star Wars (1977).
>he's not a prequelchad
Prequel purists seem to be the happiest and most content out of all Star Wars fans.
are you kidding? Prequel fanboys have the biggest fricking chip on their shoulder because they're still bitter everyone hated the prequels when they came out and as revenge they hate absolutely everything Disney puts out on general principle
>they hate absolutely everything Disney puts out on general principle
They don't need to do it on general principle when the sequels are objectively terrible to anyone with half a brain.
So are the prequels.
>they hate absolutely everything Disney puts out on general principle
As opposed to the prequel haters that slurp up all the diarrhea that Disney squirts out?
I'm the biggest Last Jedi shill on the planet and at this point I hate the vast majority of Disney output.
You mean Sequelgays. Disney is embracing the prequel era now while they have no sequel content planned.
So now what Disney says or does matters?
They aren't absolutely trying to milk some gullible nostalgiatards after first detroying (again) the trilogy that matters, lol
They're all 20 years old or younger, of course they're not as miserable yet
I don't know what you're on about but most prequel gays are at least in their mid 20's now. The Star wars demographic younger than that is practically non existent
Seething for 20 years straight over a trilogy of movies intended for children has turned OTboomers into hateful, jaded, miserable people. They are so aggressive with their hatred of the prequels, while the hatred of the sequels is mocking in nature rather than hateful. Instead of seething at the sequels, prequelchads simply point and laugh at the trainwreck. It's no surprise that a group of people who have dedicated their lives to hating something isn't as happy as a group of people who can join together in enjoying two trilogies and in joking around about how badly Disney fricked up their attempt at one-upping them.
It's completely disingenuous to say that A New Hope doesn't stand on it's own as a truly great film. As a matter of fact, Empire leans HEAVILY on ANH to be as great of a film as it is. All of the traits Luke shows in ANH, which portray him as heroic and good, become his short-comings and lead to every fall and failure he goes through in Empire.
It's not, but it is the best Star Wars movie by a decent margin.
ANH is better and the best parts of Return are on-par with anything Empire has, at least, if not better.
Incorrect.
MUH homie.
IV>VI>V>1>2>3 Is the patrician order.
>IV>V>VI>3>1>2
ftfy
>empire over jedi
>revenge over phantom
Spotted the pleb.
Jedi is good for the opening Han rescue, speeder bike chase, space battle and Vader Luke scenes. Everything else is actually horrible.
>Everything else is actually horrible.
We get the most kino score of the trilogy.
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>The Y-Wing is the workhorse of the Rebel fleet. Not quick or flashy but it gets the job done.
I too enjoy the Rogue Squadron menu soundtrack.
I=III>IV>II=VI>V
>Look mom, I posted again
Prequeltard
You have to go back
>Expanded the lore, worlds, and character relationships
>Went to ALL new planets
>Did NOT rely on a Death Star/super weapon
>the story focused on the Dysfunctional Family, the Skywalkers.
>Was awesome in basically every way
>Did NOT rely on a Death Star/super weapon
wish disney would have done this.
Reminder
The prequels suck you absolute gay
"They suck" isn't an argument you cinematically illiterate redditor moron
They aren’t good you fricking nerd
Source?
There are literally scenes not blocked correctly or lit right in AOTC especially (do I need to bring up the poor tracking shots?), And all the same things we have been saying since 1999 about the plot and dialogue and wasted potential.
>not blocked correctly
KEK cinematically illiterate redditors actually think that stylistic choices are now objectively incorrect because they don't line up with their opinion of "correct" blocking. Just a completely fricking moronic non-argument.
>lit right
>do I need to bring up the poor tracking shots?
Kek, the anonymous poster on an anonymous Tibanna gas mining forum is going to tell us that he knows "correct" lighting and tracking shots from the "incorrect" lighting and tracking shots used by industry professionals. What's next, Anakin's hair was the wrong color? You wanted him to be blonde so it's wrong?
>wasted potential
KEK this is the dumbest one yet, not only a non-argument, but not even something concrete like "I didn't like the cinematography style so the movie is therefore bad" just completely nebulous garbage, "The plot didn't conform to my headcanon so it's bad." Absolutely embarrassing post.
Lol okay you utter moron, whatever you say
jc AOTC is disney tier
Attack of the Clones is a fricking hideous movie and anyone who thinks it's anything but the worst movie of the entire franchise is either blind or hasn't watched it since they saw it in theaters with dad when they were four
This. I mean, a large part of the reason people are pretending the prequels were good is because they loved them as kids. But, even as a kid AotC was a fricking awful movie. I was obsesses, I saw TPM like 8 times in theatres. I saw AotC once and almost fell asleep it was that boring.
All three prequel films look bad in very distinct ways, Revenge had this filter to cover the cgi on it because he used more human on screen characters interacting with cgi so it's even more jarring and dated, somehow outdoing AOTC.
RotS had very impressive face CGI for the time. If George had deep fake technology at the time he would have taken it a step further for sure.
>RotS had very impressive face CGI for the time
kek no it didn't, the Lord of the Rings films came out at the same time. Even pic related looks terrible with where it's cut around his head.
Dooku almost saves it.
It's funny how you cast an iconic horror movie actor to basically play Count Dracula if he were a Sith Lord, and then you somehow find a way to make him boring, and all of his fight scenes suck ass because Lee is too old to do the flippy-skippy speed ballet lightsaber combat or he's fighting a cgi midget
That part where Dooku and Anakin are fighting and it's literally just 10 seconds of cutting between Hayden Christensen and Christopher Lee waving their arms at each other in close up is absolutely fricking hysterical
I have given massive benefits of the doubt to prequelgays because it's lasted beyond what would be expected as just dumb memes, so so be it, but yeah. I genuinely want to sit in a room and observe a proclaimed prequelgay actually sit through all of AOTC without going on reddit to post some meme or talk to someone else or distract themself. Just actually sit through the whole thing and see how long they can go before they either fall asleep or cringe in embarrassment.
I'm willing to bet they only ever remember the Geonosis battle scene because they had Battlefront 2 on the PS2. I honest to frick believe they get their video game memories crossed with these films, it's either that as an explanation or they are moronic.
The fan edit is good
>he blocked scenes poorly on purpose to be "stylistically bad"
>the lighting being washed out due to the heavy cgi backgrounds is "intentional" and "correct"
>saying the films wasted potential for good story beats is "nebulous"
Please tell me this is all bait.
>>he blocked scenes poorly on purpose to be "stylistically bad"
"I don't like this" =/= Objectively poor
cgi backgrounds
KEK
potential for good story beats
Such as? What wasted potential was there? This complaint is literally just "George's vision of the universe didn't align with my personal headcanon"
I literally gave you a visual aid of poor tracking and bad/poor lighting. Why are you like this? Look here:
>Such as? What wasted potential was there?
*actually exploring Anakin and Kenobi's relationship
*exploring the history of the Jedi during the Republic era
*delving into interesting ideas regarding the Force
*actually explaining what the frick the Clone Wars was ABOUT in detail instead of retroactively doing that in a cartoon a decade later
*Grievous
*Dooku
*Maul
*Qui-Gon
*no wise Yoda doing fricking anything Yoda-like
I can go on for hours...
How is the tracking poor and how is the lighting bad? You cinematically illiterate morons spout shit like this with no explanation whatsoever, just expecting us to accept your opinion as fact.
>exploring relationship
>exploring history
This doesn't mean anything, say something specific.
>"delving into interesting ideas"
Fricking kek
>actually explaining what the frick the Clone Wars was ABOUT in detail
Imagine being so stupid that you failed to understand the plot of a movie made for children
>Grievous
>Dooku
>Maul
>Qui-Gon
What about them? They all serve their purposes in the script. Again, just because a character's actions didn't match your headcanon doesn't mean that it's a badly written character or whatever.
>no wise Yoda doing fricking anything Yoda-like
What does this even fricking mean KEK
>Imagine being so stupid that you failed to understand the plot of a movie made for children
Anon, at no point during the prequel films is it actually explained what the war is about. It never gets an actual reasonable explanation.
>what about them?
They aren't characters, you fricking moron. They do nothing or have three lines or serve no story purpose but to plod this "story" along by it's dragging feet.
>this doesn't mean anything say something specific
You are a complete homosexual, how about the fact we just never actually see their relationship develop at all? TPM time jumps a decade and then we go from them arguing to fighting in the Clone Wars off screen in another 4 year time jump, he becomes Vader 45 minutes or so into Revenge of the Sith, I can't tell if you are doing a fricking bit.
>Anon, at no point during the prequel films is it actually explained what the war is about.
The absolute state of prequel haters. How about watch the fricking films before trying to make an argument about them you spastic. If actual children can understand the plot then I'm sure you can figure it out.
>They aren't characters, you fricking moron.
How are they not characters? Do you follow some strange definition of the word character that nobody else uses?
>They do nothing or have three lines or serve no story purpose but to plod this "story" along by it's dragging feet.
The purpose of minor characters is to move the story along, yes. What exactly do you want? Events to just occur randomly without them being caused by characters? Your ESL rage is starting to make you incomprehensible.
>You are a complete homosexual, how about the fact we just never actually see their relationship develop at all?
So you didn't pay attention to the movies? You didn't see how they were at odds initially but became friends by the time of episode 3?
I'm convinced you are doing a bit. Tell me anon, where in the films does it say what the Clone Wars is being fought over? I don't even think the Senate would be referring to it, as it's happening, as the fricking Clone War(s) since you know, that's as mind numbingly stupid as naming a war after a branch of your own military like "the Marine Wars have just begun!" And the only person to say that is Yoda, but please you utter delusional homosexual, cite the scene where it's explained why the CIS is fighting?
I don’t understand the purpose of clones vs robots
Why should anyone care
You seem to care, since you defend this shlock nonsense.
I’m not defending shit
>Tell me anon, where in the films does it say what the Clone Wars is being fought over?
Please tell me that you're only pretending to be moronic. If you are seriously asking this question in good faith then I have to question whether or not you have actually seen all three films.
>they aren't even in the fricking movie together
Because the entire plot of the film involves him doing shit he isn't supposed to be doing behind Obi Wan's back you fricking moron. Obviously they aren't going to be together if he is specifically avoiding him in order to do things that Obi Wan forbids.
You aren't giving me an answer and are admitting that all of this development is either nonexistent or off screen.
I again ask, is this you doing a bit to pretend to be moronic? Can you explain the scenes that explain what the Clone Wars is being fought over? Go on, just one scene will do. I'm sure you can find one in this masterpiece of a trilogy
Anon, you actual dense moron, it literally says that the war was caused by Dooku starting a secessionist movement IN THE TITLE CRAWL of episode II. It is later revealed that the secession movement and the war were planned by Sidious in order to increase his power and control over the Republic's government. You actually haven't seen the movies if you don't know this.
That's not the question you fricking moron, what is the reason the CIS give to justify breaking away from the Republic? What is the plot's reasoning for doing this? Why are they fighting?
I know this question always stumps you fricking clods but saying "hurrr they fight because they do and Sideous planned it" isn't actually the motivation for WHY they are. You are just quoting the script at me.
cont.
We know the CIS isn't explicitly fighting over muh trade disputes anymore, that's for certain, it was settled when they apparently broke up the Trade Fed. Except that (for reasons) didn't work. It was a Secessionist movement now of dozens of systems...because...why? For instance, why does the fricking Techno Union give a single shit about Padme and Gunray's hate boner for her? How are any of these morons effected by that bullshit on Naboo a decade ago?
cont again.
Moreover, why would most of these systems even risk their entire economic positions for a sith Lord like Dooku? What persuasion is actually there? Trade Union got fricking jobbed by gungans and a child. What evidence is there that they should throw their hats into the ring for a meme movement against the Republic to do...what? Christ man, what is their goal when the war ends?
*Trade Fed I meant
The only reason the movie ever gives you is "secret palpatine told them over hologram they should do it, so they did."
The only reason I can think of is they were in on the long-con of creating the empire and were promised to be important parts of it, but they all got conveniently dabbed on by anakin in one swoop. Even then, that's a massive stretch and also doesn't make any more sense as to why they would risk everything based on some hooded guy they don't even know telling them what to do.
>why would most of these systems even risk their entire economic positions for a sith Lord like Dooku? What persuasion is actually there?
Why would the southern states ever risk their entire economic position for a Sith Lord like Jefferson Davis? Why would Caesar's legions ever risk their lives for a Sith Lord like Caesar? What kind of moronic ass question is this?
Are we arguing that the Techno Union was a slave economy that was being outlawed by Republic laws because that's the only way you're stupid fricking analogy makes any sense.
The CIS were manufactured and led by the Dooku. You are expecting details in what would motivate him. How about he's a sith manipulator? And there was also war 10 years ago on naboo due to Republic trade taxation. This is simple enough to establish motives for certain systems to separate and form their own 'nation'. It is taxes that provokes the war, more in common with the American revolution.
He apparently wants the film to explain in explicit detail the exact reason(s) why each system/planet of the CIS joined it in the first place. He also wants the film to explain in explicit detail exactly how Dooku/Sidious managed to convince each and every one of those systems/planets. Because he apparently needs every single detail of the backdrop falseflag war explained to him in order to properly understand the story of Anakin Skywalker.
>He apparently wants the film to explain in explicit detail the exact reason(s) why each system/planet of the CIS joined it in the first place.
I don't think he does. I think he wants even just a general reason as to why most of them have decided to leave. It's never said why anyone would want to leave the republic. It could have been literally 20 seconds of dialogue out of 3 movies.
>It could have been literally 20 seconds of dialogue out of 3 movies.
Or, it could have been none, and simply implied by all of the events that take place during the film. Aren't you redditor ESB fanboys who virulently hate the prequels (because Mike told you to) the same group of people who always spout the meaningless "LE SHOW DON'T LE TELL" phrase all the time in reference to the prequels? But now you want fricking Daultay Dofine or whatever to turn towards the camera and look the lens in the eye and say "I'm seceding from the republic because my daughter in the outer rim died when a republic ambulance wasn't able to reach her in time?"
>and simply implied by all of the events that take place during the film.
When was it implied? What reason/s are implied?
See all of the posts that have replied to you explaining it such as
It can be inferred through the events of phantom menace (trade taxes) and the constant emphasis on the republic being corrupt.
>What is the plot's reasoning for doing this? Why are they fighting?
Because Sidious needed a conflict to occur so that he could create an army of the Republic that he could later control and so that he gain emergency powers to make himself into a dictator. Everything that happens is engineered by Sidious in his plan to take over the galaxy. He uses Dooku as a means to an end, creating an artificial conflict.
>It was a Secessionist movement now of dozens of systems...because...why?
Why did the CSA secede from the USA? Why does any civil war ever happen ever? Why are you so hung up on this irrelevant detail? Do you also piss and shit yourself when they don't explicitly state why the rebellion is rebelling against the empire in ANH?
Okay, but how did Sidious convince them to do it? What were their reasons for following the instructions of a guy they didn't even know the identity of, who only talked to them through holograms.
How do you think you would convince a bunch of venture capitalists and ~~*banking clans*~~ to join your side in a war? Think really hard about it.
That's a good question. Where in the movie do I find the answer?
Are you not intelligent enough to make an inference? You need everything spelled out to you explicitly with short words like a little baby moron? Again, do you piss and shit yourself when they don't explicitly state why the rebellion is rebelling against the empire in ANH?
Who cares? Do you really think that several minutes of exposition dumps about how Dooku convinced people to join the CIS would benefit the film in any way? It's not relevant to the story of Anakin Skywalker, which is what these films are about. If you care about that sort of shit then you can watch/read other EU media that covers details like that not directly relevant to the plot.
Ok so you don't have an answer and the movie, about the most pivotal war that ended the fricking Republic, doesn't explain what that war is. Thanks
What part do you not understand exactly? Sidious forced a war to occur in order to gain power. Why do you need to know the specific details of how exactly individual planets were convinced to join? How is that information relevant to the story of Anakin Skywalker? Yet again the only argument is that it doesn't align with what you wanted to see based on your own headcanon. The prequels aren't about the clone wars, they're about Anakin Skywalker. The war is nothing more than a pretense for gathering power. The fact that you cannot understand simple things like this indicates that you are either willfully ignorant and blinded by hate or you actually genuinely were filtered by a kids' movie.
I accept your concession then you fricking moronic piece of shit.
Did you shit and piss yourself when there wasn't a 10 minute long exposition dump explaining the spread of communism throughout southeast Asia and the Gulf of Tonkin incident at the start of Full Metal Jacket?
I'm glad you're at the stage of grief that's acceptance and no longer in this fugue state where you pretend the prequels even bother to explain what the Clone Wars we're about. That's real personal growth!
*were
The prequels aren't about the clone wars. They're the story of Anakin Skywalker. Keep seething though over failing to understand the basic plot of a film intended for children.
>at this fricking cope already
Try harder to be a prequelhomosexual next time you drooling imbecile. The main driving force of the story is "fall of the Republic through the Clone Wars and the Jedi purge" and one essential piece to that puzzle is not even explained to the audience at all. It's such a bizzare backwards puzzle of a plot that people like yourself (if this has been genuine) can't even argue the merits of the plot because there exists no fricking information to do so, I don't know why you think attempting to understand the largest backdrop conflict of the entire prequel trilogy, is somehow an "irrelevant" nitpick.
>backdrop
Well you said it yourself, it's a literal backdrop. The only reason the war happens is that Palpatine needs an excuse to expand his powers. Just like how the start of the rebellion isn't explicitly detailed in ANH, the rebellion itself isn't the focus of the story. The OT is the story of Luke and the PT is the story of Anakin. The rest is just backdrop to move their stories along.
This is one hell of a fricking reach, I'm introduced to the "why" of the Rebellion's cause in the first ten to fifteen minutes of the film, then I'm shown, not what, 30 minutes later, that they are willing to blow up entire fricking planets. It's very blatant who to root for
Explain what the Techno Union does to warrant me disliking them, go on.
>Explain what the Techno Union does to warrant me disliking them, go on.
They seceded from the republic and raised an army against it
And they did that...because...?
Why did the rebellion rebel from the empire?
Because they built a planet killing laser you fricking moron, what did the Republic do?
Rebel Alliance was around way before the death star showed up. As for the techno union they actually remained "neutral" in the conflict providing their droid army's for the separatists and star ships for the republic.
So you didn't watch the Phantom Menace. Got it.
Every critique of the prequels is nitpicking garbage. These gays either are too stupid or are just finding excuses to hate something. Its sad because the prequels are one of the FEW examples in story-telling history of such ambitious scope yet with all the details being explained as thoroughly as within reason, all while being movies for kids, and all while being very entertaining. Nothing will satisfy these clowns.
>Every critique of the prequels is nitpicking garbage.
Not only that, but a lot of the nitpicks aren't even about the actual film. People will constantly nitpick about things that simply didn't happen, like all of the complaints about the actors in the lightsaber duels "aiming for each other's lightsabers instead of their bodies." Or the constant nitpicks about how "I would have done this scene differently" or "this is such a missed opportunity" since they think they know more about filmmaking and the Star Wars universe itself than the man who invented the fricking series. They are so narcissistic that they have seethed on end because the headcanon they invented after watching the OT as kids conflicted with the actual creator's vision.
Why do you care so much?
Because the republic's taxation and corrupt government, which was spelled out in phantom menace. Not hard to understand that when your precious 'republic' taxes you excessively then rebellion may occur.
>Luke: you fought with my father in the Clone Wars?
>Yeah but lolz man I don't know why and stuff, don't think about it, not really important you know 😉
>What part do you not understand exactly?
What the Clone War was fought over and why it started.
Wasn’t it a war between the “separatists” and the republic?
Like a bunch of systems tried to leave the republic
>they left the Republic
>"why?"
>because they left the Republic
Techno Union was forced to turn down the music while in the Senate. Didn't sit well with them
Trade negotiations?
AToC Opening Crawl:
>There is unrest in the Galactic Senate. Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to leave the Republic.
This Separatist movement, under the leadership of the mysterious Count Dooku, has made it difficult for the limited number of Jedi Knights to maintain peace and order in the galaxy.
Senator Amidala, the former Queen of Naboo, is returning to the Galactic Senate to vote on the critical issue of creating an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC to assist the overwhelmed Jedi.
>Several thousand solar systems have declared their intentions to leave the Republic.
Learn to read
>Who cares?
I care, a lot of people care. The center-piece of the prequel trilogy is the clone wars. If I don't even know why the frick one of the sides has decided to initiate a galaxy-spanning war then how am I supposed to take the story seriously? I am never told why the bad guys are fighting this massive war other than an anonymous guy in black robes told them they should do it (while refusing to elaborate or incentivise them).
Anon we literally see, on screen, examples of why the Empire is bad and there is a rebellion against it. What in fricks name has the CIS done that we see, to warrant the same disdain from the audience? Please, tell me what? It's not even the CIS who attempt to kill Padme, it was specifically Nute and Dooku. They are all just nameless whos who make battle droids for (reasons).
>not directly relevant to the plot
what
What credible claims/promises did Sidious make to them? How did he make them trust him enough to do what they did despite the fact they don't even know who the guy is? Where is any of what you're implying stated or even hinted at in the films?
Adding on to this, either the CIS are ALL complicit with the secret plot and know Sideous is Sheev, in which case they seem more credible and you can assume they are promised positions of power, or they are oblivious and the questions keep mounting as to what exactly was promised to them. You have to factor as well that they don't yet know about the clone army, so why does their existence not also change their political position and stance in regards to secession?
Is there now some secret /misc/tard interpretation of the prequels that I have to do chud homework and hieroglyphics deciphering to get?
Unironically yes.
Frick off with this meme.
I was joking, friend. It's funny.
They will literally never answer this.
>Because Sidious needed a conflict to occur so that he could create an army of the Republic that he could later control and so that he gain emergency powers to make himself into a dictator. Everything that happens is engineered by Sidious in his plan to take over the galaxy. He uses Dooku as a means to an end, creating an artificial conflict.
I think he meant what reason does the Techno Union have to start a war against the Republic? I get that ultimately it's Sidious pulling the strings but what do they see in it for themselves?
>Because Sidious needed a conflict to occur so that he could create an army of the Republic that he could later control and so that he gain emergency powers to make himself into a dictator. Everything that happens is engineered by Sidious in his plan to take over the galaxy. He uses Dooku as a means to an end, creating an artificial conflict.
Holy shit my dude are you unironically ESL or fricking with me this whole time? Do you fundamentally not understand the question?
>Why did the CSA secede from the USA?
I have entire history textbooks to explain the issues of American chattel slavery, I have absolutely nothing to explain to me why a dozen planets decide to leave the Republic because George never bothers to tell me. At any point.
>the main instigation for the entire Clone War(s) is an irrelevant detail
I really hope you one day figure out why everyone has been laughing at you for so long
>literally admits Kenobi and Anakin share little screentime
>"and he was a good friend!"
The Clone wars was fought because parts of the Republic were rallying together, with a droid army as support, to break away from the republic. The clones were needed to fight against the droids. This is all explained in AToC
How did children manage to understand this, but this moron
has misunderstood it so badly that he felt the need to argue about it for hours? What drives someone to even argue about something that they don't understand in the first place? Dunning-Kruger effect I suppose.
Where on screen do you see them "becoming friends?" Anon, in AOTC, they are doing two separate A and B plots, they aren't even in the fricking movie together. Same thing happens in Revenge. They never really DO anything together
>Anon, at no point during the prequel films is it actually explained what the war is about. It never gets an actual reasonable explanation.
>How is the tracking poor and how is the lighting bad
Ok are you actually blind? Where do I start? With the artificial zoom after the initial pan? Or how the shot/reverse shot clips slightly and isn't centered the same? Or how artificial the back light is from the window that's just a blue fricking screen? Or how they didn't get the depth perception right on the background hallway? Or how the camera doesn't track correctly with the movement of the cgi as they descend off to the far right of the frame?
Are you unironically this stupid?
*far left of the frame I meant
>the camera doesn't track correctly with the movement of the cgi
Oh, you're baiting. Nevermind then.
Are....are you pretending to be moronic?
On the other hand, the OTC had no wasted potential because there was barely anything there to explore to begin with. OTC is fundamentally simpler. And ESB is the simplest of them all. Literally the color palette itself is a mix of grays and black.
Go to bed, Rick. You have a lot of furgayging to do tomorrow.
>the prequels are good because Lucas threw in a bunch of Easter egg shots
Is that really your angle lol???
Based moron
The Last Jedi will be looked back on fondly in a few years, one of the most brilliant deconstructions of a major franchise ever done.
Star Wars is not the place for “deconstructing” anything it’s a big cultural touchstone for the masses
That minority already exists and the general population still fricking hates TLJ. The ST won't be remembered fondly like the PT did because kids didn't like it. Most kids loved the PT, myself and all my friends included.
It doesn't really do that much "deconstructing", though. It's a weak assessment of the film, whether you like it or loathe it. It ends with affirmation of the usual Star Wars ideas.
2/10 made me reply
Nah, it's the new RotS but worse, which makes it better. It's the meme movie you watch because of how unbelievably funny it is. It's genuinely entertaining because of how bad it is. I've only seen it twice but I could recount the entirety of it in order pretty easily. Where I can only really tell you the beginning and end of the other two while having trouble remembering or ordering anything in the middle.
No one told Rian that TLJ was the middle part of a trilogy.
IX might be one of the most poorly written movies every made, and a large part of that is because Rian killed every plot thread in VIII
KotOR 2 was a much better and more clever deconstructive take on Star Wars.
And KotOR 1 was a more creative ANH retelling than TFA.
Yeah, just like BvS will be looked back fondly in few years, lmao
Nobody likes the prequels, troll
3>2>1>V>VI>IV
3 > 2 = RO > 4 > 5 > 6 > 1 > everything else
Because you're a dumb goy.
>stands on its own
>end is sequel bait
Pick one
Taliah or whatever in Obi-Wan is Mando's Mom just thought you guys would like to know.
Can't wait to see this posted everywhere all fricking month.
Because you're a moron, IV is great too if inferior to Empire, it's still great
because IV set up the characters to be interesting. No, I'm not saying it needs IV to work. As we've seen with capeshit, big studios can't afford creativity because there's also risk. ESB was a well funded film that also had a justification for creative characters and storytelling, the fact that ANH was a mega blockbuster.
Thinking Empire is "the greatest" Star Wars movie is a fricking worthless meme opinion that nobody held until the 90s. It's objectively inferior to Star Wars (1977) and doesn't even work as a standalone film.
Lol look at this zoomer contrarian here.
It's objectively a better made film than Star Wars, but it can't stand on its own.
>objectively a better made
How? In what capacity? How do you quantify how good a film is objectively?
>tighter script
>phenomenal lighting, cinematography and effects
>better acting
>characters have more to do than be cut and paste hero stereotypes
It's just better on a those levels. ANH is still my favorite movie by itself though.
How do you quantify the "tightness" of the script?
How do you quantify the "phenomenality" of the lighting, cinematography, and effects? What values did you gather from both films and how did they compare?
How do you quantify acting quality?
How do you quantify whatever the frick "characters have more to do than be cut and paste hero stereotypes" means?
I don't understand what you mean by "quantify" :^)
You said yourself that it's objectively better in all of those aspects. That means you must have found some standardized unit to measure the "tightness" of the script by and a way to compare these measurements between different films.
lol
For me it’s ESB>RotS>ANH>RotJ>PM>AotC>Rogue One>Han Solo>
else
I acknowledge the original trilogy as the only Star Wars official media and the only canon timeline, the rest is fan-made.
Both true and based.
Bad guys winning will always be a kino move, even with capeshit.
5>4>6>3>1>2>7>8>9
4 5 and 6 are all great, everything else is varying levels of shit
This is the correct order.
>putting the prequels higher than TFA and TLJ
When will this meme end?
I'm a subscriber to the "sequels are better movies but shittier star wars movies" theory, that's how I approach the rankings
>6
>great
It's shit. Really.
Without the Luke parts, it's fricking awful.
How come the people that are “super into Star Wars” and “Star Wars N3RDs” fricking morons? Most don’t know shit about the lore, or read any of the EU stuff. They just consOOM. They’re just as bad as MCU fans. I was a huge SW fan, and can’t stand the state of Disney Wars. The MCU was gay from the start. The only marvel media I really enjoyed was the XMen and SpiderMan cartoons on Fox Kids.
Because the EU is FRICKING AWFUL and ruins the films more often than not. Nobody wants to fricking read that garbage. Not the old or new. I don't give a frick about how the trash compactor creature was actually force sensitive. I don't give a frick about Sleeze Bagano. I don't care about god luke who looks like he's weilding literally 30 lightsabers at once and becomes one with the force while alive and is stronger than a sun and gets cloned and fights gay ass lovecraft shit.
LITERALLY 99% of the EU is complete shit. Both Disney and legends.
>Most don’t know shit about the lore, or read any of the EU stuff.
EU is fricking garbage. Even Lucas hated it. You're not smart for memorizing wookieepedia factoids. KYS.
You know, if you really think you must read 500 novels and 100 comics to be a 'real' fan, I think it is really problematic
>episode 5 stands on its own
>literally requires watching ep 4 to even remotely understand
your trolling is WEAK OP, dont let yourself be destroyed as MOOT was
4>5=6>>>>>>>>1>3>>>>>>7>8>9>2
Frick you for including the ST or this post would have been kino.
Such a waste
I respect the digits and you're not that far off but still wrong
Old boomer homosexuals have always propped up episode V for some reason. It’s become a pattern now anyone who ranks it highly is some embittered neckbeard.
For them imagine seeing ANH in theaters as a teenager and then seeing ESB after that years later. It must have been mindblowing thinking the effects in ANH could not be topped and then you get Hoth right away. The bump in quality is pretty substantial even though it was already great.
TPM will always be the most underrated SW movie.
>now THIS is podracing!
>icky icky goo!
>BLURGBLURGBLURHGBLURGGGG
>yippee!
>I'll try spinning!
>fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate!
Based.
>can kill every gungan
>can kill Anakin's friends
>can kill innocent civilians
Not sure if intentional but if you don't like something about TPM you can probably kill it in this game and still beat the level.
It's definitely not underrated, anon. If anything it's been claimed by the ironic hipsters of 2012 and they will never give it back.
It is. Can't touch the originals but it is the best prequel. Not so much as a Star Wars film, but as a children's action adventure film it's very fun. Cut out all the parts where the jedi are talking and it's a good time. pod racing, best lightsaber fight of the prequels, a great amount of action. Cool alien stuff with all the guys at the pod races and the underwater parts.
>cut out all the movie and then, in my mind, it's a good movie!
No, just whenever Obi-wan or Qui-Gon are talking to each other or other jedi really. Qui-Gon talking to Watto was a lot of fun.
>just whenever the movie is being a movie it's bad, but when it's pew pew whoosh whoosh and you squint really hard it's a good film!
Yes.
Just like you cut out most of the Ewok shit when you watch Return. It's a great film outside of those scenes. Worth it alone for all the throne room stuff. Couldn't have been a more perfect ending to the biggest movie trilogy of all time.
Return is a fricking mess from start to finish, the least of its problems are ewoks. One good throne room scene doesn't remove the mind numbingly stupid rescue plot and the second death star.
Go frick yourself if you don't think the Han Solo rescue was a great way to start the movie with a fun adventure with the gang all together.
It was the dumbest thing to happen in the OT, Luke's tenth dimensional chess is to plant R2 on the barge in the slim hope that Jabba doesn't just scrap the fricking trash can the minute he sells them over, then getting himself caught...only to have them all executed by the Sarlacc, which is apparently where Luke wanted to be positioned so R2 could fling his saber hundreds of feet in mid air?
Anon, stop.
The plan to rescue Han is absolutely fricking nonsensical even by Star Wars logic and wasting 45 minutes resolving the cliffhanger from the last film with a muppet show isn't a very good usage of your runtime
Besides the brief prologue with Vader and double our digits guy, RotJ doesn't begin its own plot until more than an hour into the movie.
the older I get the more I'm starting to think RotJ might be worse than the Phantom Menace.
TPM isn't a great movie by any stretch of the imagination, but it has some good scenes and fun bits here and there. RotJ is EXCRUCIATING from beginning to end besides the throne room stuff, which is 15 minutes of a 2 hr 10 minute film.
Yes, but the there isn't a single thing in TPM that is even within the same universe of quality as the throne room bits.
>RotJ might be worse than the Phantom Menace.
I don't remember any slave girls in TPM. I do remember a child and 10 minutes of some boring PS2 game. RotJ is poorly written, yes, but at least Lucas had the decency to use female skin as a fallback. Was Portman allergic to coke or something?
Coomer brain everyone
TPM is the best of the prequels and RotJ is a very flawed movie, but TPM is still disastrous on levels RotJ could never manage.
You should see the theatrical 35mm scan version, looks a lot better than the official UHD bluray: first link is the movie scanned from a czech film print, the second link is the english audiotrack that you can swap.
Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace
https://mega.nz/file/iboykYgY#AQBGOzqWZ2P3AjhRclToPhCyPV1-t3VO2iqxLlp_MOQ
eng audio track:
https://mega.nz/file/rM9VEaAS#OjP6yXFtliILw6HScZ9zywxpf0gmhEekA6Vq62WXoWc
Here's a sample:
star wars was always meant to be a psyop to divide america
ESB was excellent and Kershner did a great job adding more realistic characterization and gravitas to the franchise, but the original Star Wars ("Episode 4 - A New Hope") was lightning in a bottle. Lucas did an amazing job repurposing 30s serials and WW2 movies along with state-of-the-arts effects to create something entirely new.
I love a movie that I know is manipulating my emotions but it still succeeds in doing so. The moment when Luke is about to lose in the Death Star attack and the recently-discredited Han comes out of nowhere and says "You're all clear, kid! Now let's blow this thing!" was extraordinary Kino.
The weird thing about Lucas is that he originally gained fame with his amazing character work in American Graffiti, and then that gift turned off like a faucet. Genius always turns off like a faucet in an artist's late 20s.
Episode V was already utterly ruined by the Special Edition. It also shows Lucas is either incompetent or doesn't give a shit:
>Luke screaming when he risks jumping to his death instead of joining with evil is something you put in a parody
>Re-using the Emperor's scream, that he does at the climax of the film, rather than having *any* random actor doing the scream shows the person who made this edit doesn't give a shit
Episode IV is the only good Star Wars movie left.
4 has rubber-neck Han and random CGI pieces of shit all over the place. Plus MACKLUNKEY
All the films except maybe Jedi suffer from the special editions. And George's last revision with the Greedo McDonalds or whatever he says is just his little cherry on top to remind us he loved retroactively ruining his movies for sport.
>except maybe Jedi
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
>except maybe Jedi
>you will never live in a galaxy far far away a long time ago and feel this thing slobber your dingus
Also, SW music peaked with TPM.
No SW theme song will ever be able to top this.
Imperial March, zoomie.
Star Wars music peaked when Luke beat the frick out of Vader in Return.
Empire isn't a good star wars entry or even a good movie in general.
Elaborate.
>popular thing bad
Imagine being snowed in at a cabin alone with Carrie and a sack of cocaine while filming the Hoth scenes
I posted this before but the problem I have with empire is that even though it's supposed to be the dark one and the empire is supposed to have won in this one, the battle of hoth comes across as cheery for the rebels and they get away. They never showed stormtroopers and vader massacring or dealing with the remaining soldiers which was a missed opportunity for vader especially. We are never told if this was a big loss for the rebellion and if it set them back. Luke goes off to dagobah which he wanted to do anyway. Han and Leia hide in cloud city but get betrayed but then Lando corrects himself and our heroes minus Han escape again. The only loss is Han frozen in carbonite which he gets out of so who cares and Luke gets his hand severed but then gets it replaced 5 minutes later. The empire doesn't come off as menacing as it should.
IV and V are obviously the peak.
VI is great at times but inconsistent.
III is... the least offensive prequel, I guess?
I Bad, kind of bizarre, but oddly comfy.
II is lucky the sequels exist.
The rest don't deserve ranking.
Learn to format, tbh. This is bad even for a blog.
The prequels shit on the OT boomer trash
I just want ONE scene, give me anything, that explains the Clone Wars. Just one.
Pretty general request, but in ANH the conference room scene implies a war was won and the powers are changing from the Senate/Republic to the regional governors which would imply a war was won and regional reform of conquered political systems has been integrated into the Empire via the Clone Wars.
Ayo can y'all calm down you've been going at it forever
Empire is boring and stupid. Idk why older millenials love it so much.
The love the shitty soulless cinematography and the constant quotable Marvel quips
Yeah, they also hyped up Boba Fett. A character that had like 1 minute screen time.
>le space yeti attack
>le walker battle
>le cool black guy
>le twist from nowhere
It's boring. The only reedeming parts are the Jedi training scenes.
>>Yeah, they also hyped up Boba Fett. A character that had like 1 minute screen time.
>DUDE BOBA FETT IS SO FREAKING COOL AND EPIC
>Darth Maul? Ugh what a shitty non-character. He has like 3 lines of dialogue then dies like a b***h lol
This has to be bait. No one in the history of the world has thought the only interesting part of Empire was the Jedi training scenes.
> it is boring for a child
Yeah, exactly
What else there is to Empire than the jedi training? Is there anybody who didn't find the ice world and a cloud city boring? Do you like it because of Lando? The whole movie is silly. The twist is cinema history. I gotta admit that.
I hope this is bait and you aren't actually this much of a tasteless moron.
No, he's right. I first saw Empire when I was 9 and it is boring for a child past the Hoth sequence. I always fell asleep when Luke is in that cave thing on Dagobah.
Reminder people ONLY like this film because of the plot twist. The intro is very slow. The hoth battle is so-so. The only two parts that have substance are (1) Luke's training with Yoda and (2) the final fight. Its literally just the "I'm your father" line that gets people thinking "wow, so cool! so good!" Notice no one will mention anything they actually like about this film.
Relative to every other film it is the simplest in what it achieves and there is a big plot twist. This is why it attracts the midwit opinion of "muh its the best one!" Because the complexity and weight of every other film is too much for simple minds.
>Notice no one will mention anything they actually like about this film.
Clearly this thread has demonstrated that they love the "tightness" of the story in comparison to the other films in the series. Objectively a much tighter film. I just really love tight films and ESB has just the right amount of tightness to get me off. No I will not explain what I mean by tightness. It's just written better or something.
I like it despite the plot twist, which I thought was cliched and trite.
Correct
>It looks bad because... because it just does okay????
All I see is orang and cringe, so yeah, it looks bad
IV=V>VI >>>>>>>>>>> the rest is shit and isn't canon
everything George did is canon, cope
Cope, mald, and cry harder, you seething OT boomer manchild. Mr. Plinkett isn't here to save you this time. This is a prequelchad board.
You dont' get to decide, lmao.
Prequelshit doesn't exist, ahahhaahahahahaha
facts don't care about your nostalgia, capeshitter
even Disney admits the prequels exist and it's quite fair to say anything post Disney sale isn't canon, you have no leg to stand on
OH now Disney understand SW?
Lmao
You will spend you life between being overshadowed by people who like the beloved trilogy and kids that will have nostalgia for the sequel. You will never live in a world where you nostalgiatards will be free and alone with the shit you like
Take the L and stay panned forever.
>kids will have that nostalgia for the sequel
>Take the L
Twitter isn't a real place and time will vindicate me while you and your ilk rot like dogs in the street.
Being nostalgic about shit movies isn't a personality, loser.
You will simply join all those snydertards who are waiting to be vindicated and will wait forever.
>20 years from now ex kids will be: Remember marvel capeshit? good times!
>yeah, but what about the SW prequels?
>those were dogshit, lmao
Get accustomed to the L
Didn't read, loser.
>absolutely broken
Concession accepted
>IV=V>VI >>>>>>>>>>> the rest is shit and isn't canon
>Luke, I am your father
>Don't tell me the odds!
It's THE star wars film for any fanatic
IV > III > VI > II > I > (POWER GAP) > V > (LARGER POWER GAP) > Disneyshit
troll
moron
it doesnt, it relies on Star Wars for the set up and ends on a cliffhanger
first Star Wars is perfect, ESB is DLC
I have The Making of The Empire Strikes Back book. Pretty great read.
>stands on its own
Except it doesn't, at all. If you don't watch New Hope before it then you have no idea who these characters are or what they're about and it ends on a cliffhanger where things are at their lowest point so it's not a good conclusion either and you need to watch Return of the Jedi to get that. It's a great film but it doesn't stand on its own.
>OT boomers love the SW film that is closest cinematograhpy-wise and writing-wise to actual capeshit
>Attempt to use capeshitter as an insult to prequel chads
Maybe if you're one of those journalists who says that the Avengers is the modern Iliad, then and only then could capeshitter ever be applied to a prequelchad. The prequels are full of references to archaic Greek myth and classical Greek plays, not that a dumb boomer like you would understand literature like that. When you were in school they were just starting to teach the newly-discovered element known as "fire"
>My nostalgic shit badly made for 6 yo toy-buyers is like the greek myths.
Only the most inbred marveltards and prequeltards say this. Oh and snydertards.
What a silly bunch!
>6 yo toy-buyers
6 year olds can't buy toys moron they don't have any money
People with the mind of 6 yo kids buy toys all the times, anon
Yeah 6 year old minded OT boomers are basically keeping Hasbro alive by buying up all the OT character toys LOL
Calling people who like good movies "old" or some other buzzword doesn't make them worng or old. It just make your butthurt more evident and cringe.
You are just a kid having a temper tantrum at reality not conforming to your play pretend.
Stay panned forever, prequeltard
Old people (OT boomers) are wrong though. Their brains are rotted and broken from years of drug and corn syrup abuse. They have objectively inferior brains to young, sprightly, and supple prequelchads. Just like the Greeks which our preferred trilogy is based on, we pride ourselves on physical excellence. Prequelchads are Adonis-esque warrior citizens. And OTboomers are rotting old corpses kept alive by israeli sorcery.
>you bad and ugly, me good and handsome
Calling you 6 yo was generous.
The more (you)s you give me, the deeper in your butthurt hole you dig, ahahahaha
Come on, gime me another (you). Come on.
Prove again an again that you can't resist
Isn't it time for you to go to bed, gramps?
>Aahhh I'm seething, I must have the last word!
You couldn't resist, lmao
"L"
Cope
>L
You are so mad and cant' stand to not have the last word, lol
Give me another (you), autist.
Ok boomer
>YOU ARE ABOVE 15, THEREFORE YOU ARE DISMISSED WITH MY MAGIC BUZZWORD
I know it's ok, I've said it
I've accepted your concession a while ago, prequeltard, and you are haveing a stroke since then lol
>haveing
It seems like you're the one having a stroke here old man
Why did Lando join the empire? What scene in the film shows how Lando was convinced to join them?
>Why did Lando join the empire?
he didn't tho
So you can't show one single scene of Lando being convinced by Dark Vader?
>Has to claim he wins
Like clockwork.
Do you guys actually like star wars this much or are predisposed to talk about it because its popular? I like the OT but it left roughly the same impact on me as other movies of similar quality
I guess it's becasue a big brand and people can't help but making it their personality.
Personally I'm with you.
The original were good and that it. The rest were unnecessary and kind of shit so I lost interest.
I like the OT and prequels and the pre-Disney EU. The only Disney shit that is tolerable was the first few episodes of the Mandalorian but even that wasn't great and got worse when they turned it into Filoniwank. And yes I know Filoniwars is in fact pre-Disney but I don't like it and instead recognize Genndywars as the definitive rendition of the clone wars. I have almost 300 Star Wars action figures.
>and prequels
Then you don't like SW and can't see why you don't like the sequels either
SW is either just the OT or all the movies