You all say the same damn shit every single time these movies fail. When a studio recognizes they have a dud and pulls back the advertising budget, that just shows that everyone can see how problematic they are. But people like you are too prideful to own up to it
>Cinemaphile despite being a massive shithole still has jannies with the common courtesy to delete blatant e-celeb shill threads in a timely manner.
>You all say the same damn shit every single time these movies fail.
Nope, The Flash had ads. It flopped because of a mix of Ezra, bad word of mouth once it came out, and DC still struggling to shake off the public image BvS and Justice League gave them. Also it's flowing up Shazam 2, and that did not help DC's image.
“There was no advertising!” Is always the biggest fricking cope. I saw adds for strange world, elemental, and Ruby months before their release all the time on YouTube and other sites. I don’t know about television but no one fricking watched television so those don’t even matter. They were advertised constantly online.
Yea, the "no ads" shit is always just a giant cope.
People see the ads for these movies, they're just not interested.
All the advertising in the world can't save a shitty product with no appeal.
I've seen virtually no ads for Ruby or Strange World. The only time I was advertised Ruby was when I saw Elemental in theaters. I did see the McDonalds ad for Elemental but only on Hulu. Definitely no ads for them on Youtube. I do agree that generally it is a cope but from my point of view I hardly knew these movies existed.
Honestly movies like Mario are more an outlier exception than anything these days. My experience is that if you can make something a family outing with a gigantic enough brand that several families with kids wearing merchandise can all see together as a huge EVENT that will shut the kids up yeah it MIGHT do well and be like taking the kids to a theme park kind of thing.
Otherwise, why the frick would you even bother? With a half decent or even shitty setup at home you can get a great experience with endless choices these days thanks to streaming. Why the frick would you even bother?
I think people just go to the movies less. A lot of people made Mario the one movie they're going to go to this year, instead of the one movie they're going to that month like they did before COVID.
>movie based on one of the most well known and beloved properties say hi
Fricking moron.
Mario movie also came out when there was nothing for families for weeks. The real villain is shitty release schedules
We’ve spent the better part of a decade seeing a trend where people are seeing less and less movies in theatres outside of the handful of big blockbuster shit that capture the zeitgeist. For every Top Gun and Avatar you have dozen movies that underperform or flop because they cost hundreds of millions to make and have ridiculously high expectations to make money.
This, I said in a previous thread most theaters on their website have rentals for a private showing for as little as $100 because they're so desperate for money, even AMC.
how much do you guys think it would cost to rent out their biggest theater at 2:00 AM to take a date out to a private screening of paul blart: mall cop 2
just me, a girl, and kevin james fighting a losing battle against an african crowned crane in the middle of a las vegas hotel. nobody else
i would be willing to spend an unreasonable amount of money on that i think
Not to mention food and drinks there. If they lowered ticket prices and gave you the option to bring in your own food and drink I’d bet they’d see there numbers go up.
I can buy an entire large cheese pizza for the price they charge a single slice.
If that's their main way of making money, then I guess it's time to retire the business.
Or innovate like partnering up with restaurants. Let restaurants rent some space in a theater.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know, I like that idea better. Put a food court in the theater and make money off the partnerships instead of the overpriced garbage they have now.
People will probably cry and b***h about the lack of popcorn, but what ya gonna do?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Also sell popcorn. Maybe cotton candy. Hell, all the carnival foods!
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know, I like that idea better. Put a food court in the theater and make money off the partnerships instead of the overpriced garbage they have now.
People will probably cry and b***h about the lack of popcorn, but what ya gonna do?
There's a movie theater near me that also acts as a restaurant. You get waited on during the movie.
Or innovate like partnering up with restaurants. Let restaurants rent some space in a theater.
but this is better
You know, I like that idea better. Put a food court in the theater and make money off the partnerships instead of the overpriced garbage they have now.
People will probably cry and b***h about the lack of popcorn, but what ya gonna do?
you wouldn't even need to get rid of popcorn. just let the theater focus solely on popcorn and let the restaurants focus on meals.
That’s because streaming subs are relatively cheap so when you spend a lot of money producing original content as well as having to maintain the service itself, it doesn’t produce a lot of profit. Netflix was a working model that worked when it was licensing shit from studios and just had to pay for that.
>Are video games really the future?
Game budgets can get even more ridiculous and that doesn't even take into account most games take way more time to make than most films
except no, arcades and console games have they own ways of making visible money. There is absolutely no fricking visible way to view how profitable a direct to streaming movie is
You can profit from theaters, but you can't profit from streaming. Had services like Vudu and iTunes/Play Store became the default method of watching film and tv online, then these companies wouldn't be having these issues. The rent/buy model will always trump the subscription model every time.
It's also why game developers are treated and paid like trash. Aggressive advertising can, and will, always financially trump an actually good game.
The video game industry deserves its Cyberpunk 2077s, its No Man's Skys, and its endless Fifas/Maddens that get worse every year.
Didn't No Man's Sky bounce back and became better than it was advertised? It was the only pne of its kind where it had a horrible launch but redeemed itself from never giving up.
If anything, it should be Anthem that gets mebtioned as that is like No Man's Sky, except never delivering.
Yeah, No Man's Sky had a big redemption arc. I think Cyberpunk did as well but it might have just been because of the anime being stupidly fricking popular
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I think Cyberpunk did as well
All basedberpunk did was become playable. It's still underwhelming compared to what was promised.
It took several years to get to that point. My point is developers became too comfy with "eh we'll fix it later" even if buyers have already spent $60 or $70 on it. The worst part is that "later" might never come. The result is we're seeing more and more games releasing in broken or unfinished states that may or may not ever be fixed. Because the publisher already has your money. They're not obligated to do anything else. And this is slowly becoming the norm.
Yeah, No Man's Sky had a big redemption arc. I think Cyberpunk did as well but it might have just been because of the anime being stupidly fricking popular
It took several years to get to that point. My point is developers became too comfy with "eh we'll fix it later" even if buyers have already spent $60 or $70 on it. The worst part is that "later" might never come. The result is we're seeing more and more games releasing in broken or unfinished states that may or may not ever be fixed. Because the publisher already has your money. They're not obligated to do anything else. And this is slowly becoming the norm.
>No Man's Sky bounce back and became better than it was advertised?
No, it isn't, fricking have a nice day like your mother
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's definely miles than its launch, that's for sure.
11 months ago
Anonymous
keep shitting on Cinemaphiletard bootlickers, I just can't tolerate 'no man's sky is fine now' meme
11 months ago
Anonymous
What's it missing from what it was advertising before launch? Honest question.
I gotta admit Cyberpunk has pretty good story for an AAA game, the quest to chase the abused serial killer gave me Goosebumps and it's been a long time since I've had it from videogame, They deserve 20 million copies, I hated TW3, so I hope they continue CP series, Rockstar has proven themselves as morons with RDR2 so there's no more AAA company to look forward to
Find better art. There's much more than AAA slop but hack anti-woke daily YouTubers will never tell you that. It's depressing as frick but it's not ALL art.
I still consistently find games, shows, and movies I enjoy in current year. You need to stop looking at the AAA industry and think that's all there is.
stop going mainstream, look at AA or Indie games, the type of shit that literally doesnt get """investors"""" so they are really creatively and passion driven.
Same rule with comics, books, music, etc.
funnily enough despite being in the age of information, finding these things is still very word of mouth as it was in the past.
>Are video games really the future?
Game budgets can get even more ridiculous and that doesn't even take into account most games take way more time to make than most films
No, theaters are just a dinosaur experience when streaming exists. It's like how you're not playing your video games at an arcade.
>Are video games really the future?
Video games are 100% the future of entertainment. Just look at these earnings. Movies are dying. Pixar better shift over to making games otherwise they’ll go bankrupt.
170 million people use TikTok. That’s 50 million more people than who voted in 2020. Your time is over, Gramps
11 months ago
Anonymous
>defending Tik Tok
have a nice day
11 months ago
Anonymous
>International social media that anyone can use >One country where voting is restricted to people 18+
Golly gee wilkers! Never would’ve thought!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no no, BILLIONS of people use the app worldwide. Those numbers are just for America.
11 months ago
Anonymous
your time is in the gas chamber you homosexual zoomer
i have never used tiktok in my life
This might shock you zoom zoom, but I don't have Tik Tok for shit
>International social media that anyone can use >One country where voting is restricted to people 18+
Golly gee wilkers! Never would’ve thought!
It’s over boomers
zoomers won
china won
woke won
11 months ago
Anonymous
>china won >woke won
Anon, these two can't happen concurrently.
Woke is anti-China.
11 months ago
Anonymous
nope china is getting nuked zoomers are going to be shoved in the gas chamber and even normalgays are turning against woke homosexualry die israelite your demoralization tactics are failing
11 months ago
Anonymous
cope and seethe, /misc/tard
The Little Mermaid won.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no it didn't it flopped like a fish
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not sure if it is considered a flop (though it probably is), but TLM certainly didn't make a splash.
>Pixar and Dreamworks new movies flopped
Woke (enby elemental, tired racism bad plot, ginger ariel stand-in bad, etc.) >The Flash flopped
Woke (queer enby literal child grooming actor) >Indiana Jones flopped
Woke (feminist flick with indy's goddaughter upstaging and possibly replacing him) >The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Woke (blackwashing yet another iconic ginger character, to the revulsion of international audiences, rewriting songs to be PC, etc.)
>indy's goddaughter upstaging and possibly replacing him
With the current box office projections, that ain't happening.
Woke is about "diversity", division and proselytizing. You trying to change the definition of a concept is just an attempt to dilute the subject, you disingenuous, israeli prick.
How was I changing the definition? I just said woke is about proselytizing and virtue-signaling.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound mad things aren't going your way anon. That scenario is very fantastical.
11 months ago
Anonymous
nah yours is
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick outta here antisemite.
Jews are asf and our brothers.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Jews are destroyers who only look out for their own, moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
die israelite
Keep crying, Ahmed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick outta here antisemite.
Jews are asf and our brothers.
Keep seething, little shekel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
die israelite
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tiktok search engine
uhhh what about yandex? it's pretty good the reverse image search works great
11 months ago
Anonymous
your time is in the gas chamber you homosexual zoomer
11 months ago
Anonymous
And the combined IQ of ALL those mouthbreathing wienerwombles is approximately 69
Genshin is a Live Service Gacha. It's purpose is to make as much money as possible. Movies just need to make more than what they cost to make back their money and that is less tall of an order than making money forever.
Largely because the same dev released a new game that's been topping the charts in Genshin's place.
I don't trust these charts all that much. People were only able to gage Genshin banner sales through Chinese IOS users. Star Rail also has less of an online presence than Genshin for some reason.
>People were only able to gage Genshin banner sales through Chinese IOS users.
Anon, the source of that image is Sensor Tower, which only tracks iOS monthly sales data.
So all those numbers are JUST revenue from the iOS versions of those games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
My point is that it's still just an incomplete picture. A handful of these games are on other platforms like Steam and consoles and they show rather different results than what's on your chart for example.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's a moot point because it's all revenue at the end of the day.
and Dreamworks new movies flopped >>The Flash flopped
Jones flopped >>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month >Is it over for cinema? Are video games really the future?
Are you a big time Hollywood Producer? Cuz you're really good at taking away the wrong lessons from failure. All of movies listed above have issues on there own and in 2000s the movie industry had started growing at a faster rate then it had in the decades before. It was unsustainable
>It was unsustainable
I think we're honestly here right now and I think vidya is quickly approaching the same point. It just costs too much fricking money to make movies right now and it's gotten to the point where unless it's a huge hit then it's a failure.
Video games are different due it being much easier to produce and distribute content. If you're talking about the AAA market then sure, but they've also been saying that for over a decade.
I was talking about the triple A, yeah. Obviously indies are doing fine but so are youtube and streaming when it comes to replacements for tv / movies so I think it's a similar situation
and Dreamworks new movies flopped
These movies didn't appeal to kids or parents. >>The Flash flopped
The Flash was in production for 7+ years because the script was terrible and there plan to fix it was cameos and a deep cut references to an Evening with Kevin Smith. Also Ezra Miller's take on Flash didn't resonate with people who saw JL. Also Ezra Miller in general. Also they are reboot the franchise after this so there is no reason to see this movie other then to see this movie.
Jones flopped
Haven't seen it but RLM says it too long not great but not terrible. Really Indy isn't the cultural cornerstone it was 20 years ago, crystal skull left a bad taste in peoples mouths and fan don't trust current Disney with Lucasfilms >>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Disney live action remake have a reputation for never being as good as the original. The music is never as good, the new songs are never as good, the changes to the stories always make the stories worse. If you've seen the OG mermaid and the remake of Mulan, Aladdin or Beauty or the Beast you know exactly what this movie is going to be without looking at a review or seeing a trailer.
People got too comfortable at home, though seeing it on the big screen has an appeal still. What (good) movies may be missing is advertising the experience and remembering to advertise, there really isn't much of that for any of these failed ones
>Pixar and Dreamworks new movies flopped
Woke (enby elemental, tired racism bad plot, ginger ariel stand-in bad, etc.) >The Flash flopped
Woke (queer enby literal child grooming actor) >Indiana Jones flopped
Woke (feminist flick with indy's goddaughter upstaging and possibly replacing him) >The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Woke (blackwashing yet another iconic ginger character, to the revulsion of international audiences, rewriting songs to be PC, etc.)
it's pretty insane that the goddamned skibidi toilet is mogging all of these multi-million dollar studio produced features. even more crazy is that, can you honestly say it doesn't deserve it?
Movies and TV in general are dying. tne last two MCU shows didn't even break 1 million viewers and those were streaming shows, apart of an apparent new era where "Streaming is The Future and Cable is dying", truth is they're both dying, and movies are dying too. Every movie this year besides Mario have been successes at the box office, not even the big franchise movies are doing hot. Little Mermaid apparently didn't even make back it's budget yet, Indiana Jones 5 underperformed, Antman 3 flopped, Shazam 2 flopped and The Flash especially flopped the hardest of them all.
and Dreamworks new movies flopped
pixar has been going downhill for years, after lightyear was a boring wet fart I don't think it has the same name recognition anymore. Dreamworks always has ups and downs. >>The Flash flopped
ezra miller killed this, he's weird looking, annoying and they reset their universe.
Jones flopped
No one wants to geriatric Indy get replaced with someone, just let it die. >>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
This one is wrapped up in a bunch of discussions, race, being a pale imitation of an actual work of art and just not interesting.
Combination of shit movies and inflation fricking everyone in the ass while everyone ignores it and pretends everything is fine.
The only movies that haven't flopped this year are Mario Bros, Spiderverse, John Wick 4, and Scream 6.
The aren't being advertized.
I don't use ad blockers, and I watch TV. I've seem ZERO ads for this movie. Fricking Cinemaphile has put in more work bringing awareness to this movie than the studio. Let that sink in.
There's a difference between Fire & Ice's "if you don't oppose evil it will eventually come for you" and TFA's "The Force is female". Hell, Robocop 2 even made the point that catering to pc groups castrates the system.
Let's not pretend that TFA would have been any better if that wasn't in there.
That's like complaining that your house has a broken window while it's on fire. Sure replacing the window will make it look a little better, but there are much bigger issues that need to be given attention.
If it wasn't there, it'd be less blatantly obvious. Rey's "gifted" prowess at everything under the sun is still blatant with its message though, but at least it wouldn't be as insulting without them shouting with a megaphone about it.
>Let's not pretend that TFA would have been any better if that wasn't in there
Oh frick off. Ray being adept at the use of Force with no training and Luke being sidelined to prop her up were things that made the movies worse.
>and TFA's "The Force is female"
Why did this make people seethe anyways? It makes sense that something that's the life force of the universe would be female since females are the creator of life thanks to their wombs
That little white thing that displays motion and purpose comes from your dad's balls. The womb is where you gestate.
Let's pretend Ray is a man, that's the only change.
Is is now a good movie now? It's not woke anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If that were the case, more people would be willing to shit on it. Do you see the problem? If it's not woke anymore, more people would be honest about hating it openly than they do now.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, it would still be the same. There are people shit on it harder than it deserves only because it's woke, and I'm willing to bet that number of people who support it for being woke is about the same. So it evens out unless you think there's a vastly greater quantity of people who support woke ideas than there's people who hate it.
Either way, the movie still gets shit on, and either way, my point stands that the movie is still just as bad without the woke ideas in it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Point is that those movies won't be defended by the woke, they'd be joining in on the hate.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so you agree then that my original arguemt was correct.
Removing the woke elements wold not have saved the movie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But why are you ignoring the fact that the only reason why these movies get defended is because of the woke elements?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because I don't care about that.
My only point is that the movie isn't bad because it has woke elements and it would be the same with or without them. That's all I've cared about. Who cares if some political ideology gets people to defend something? That doesn't change the quality of the product.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It does when the shit is paraded as good defacto movies by the powers that be.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Ray was a man they wouldn't write him into a Mary Sue.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Rey were a man, everyone would've shit on it on day one as these fine gays have mentioned.
If that were the case, more people would be willing to shit on it. Do you see the problem? If it's not woke anymore, more people would be honest about hating it openly than they do now.
If Ray was a man they wouldn't write him into a Mary Sue.
It's not a matter of having a wiener or a pussy, it's a matter of ideals and pushing an agenda.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. And the agenda was "cooter better".
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a matter of ideals and pushing an agenda.
If Ray is a man, what idea is there? What agenda is being pushed? You're using the woke factor as a scapegoat to take the blame for bigger issues.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If Rey was a man, the woke would attack him and join in on the hate train.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And? That doesn't effect the quality of the movie. You do realizes that you're arguing that the movie becomes worse without the woke elements, right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
So are you saying movies MUST be woke so that they can be accpeted? Because if thst's true, I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So are you saying movies MUST be woke so that they can be accpeted?
No, I'm saying that it's a not even a factor in the quality of the movie. Making Star Wars less woke won't make it a better movie. Any change to make it better wouldn't be about the wokeness. >I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
Give it time, we'll all be gone soon enough.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm beginning to think the message is only a factor in that, it's pushed to hide the lack of skill and talent of today's creators.
Some put it on certain areas in their work, some let it be the defining factor of their work. Either way, they use that to shield their work from criticism from the mainstream press.
11 months ago
Anonymous
We're not saying the movie would be "better", the movie would be still be shit but "perceived as better or worse" depending whether or not the film pushes a message, if no message is pushed, E-Celebs and everyone else in the media complex would hate on it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, but I'm talking about the quality of the movie. That's all I've been talking about.
If anything you're saying that the majority of people accept the woke ideas.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The majority of E-celebs and their little moron followers accept woke ideas because they can't think for themselves, yes and the quality WOULD change technically. Male protagonists are always better than Female ones.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so you believe that most people in the world are woke.
If anything that's a fricking good reason to make movies even more woke because that means people will support them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'd say most Western people like yourself are moronic, yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, now we're technically the minority, therefore, we are counterculture, since the sheep are ironically "woke".
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh god, we are the hipsters.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The image of a White family in a nationalist setting is the edgiest thing someone can post on the Internet.
11 months ago
Anonymous
*An image
Watch out, my power is overflowing!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know that basically feeds into the idea that they are counterculture, whem the woke is claiming that they are the "real" countercukture, despite corpos and goveenmwnts bending to the woke.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Woke was counter culture, but has become the mainstream.
Just like anime.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Even then I'm not too sure. It has become mainstream sure, but it's getting more pushback than when it was counterculture.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Male protagonists are pushed as weak and feeble and without their female "sidekick" they're worthless. Again, it pushes a message. The woke factor must be pushed at all costs by the people in charge.
Why? To demoralize and to divide the public while protecting the rich and powerful.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Watch him defend this by saying this is what all movies should be like, and if you disagree, you're a Nazi.
I hate progessives for pushing this as the DEFACTO STANDARD FOR EVERYTHING ON EARTH.
11 months ago
Anonymous
people like him defend this because they want to be with the "club" and the sad part is, no matter how hard they suck dick, they won't make regardless.
They'll never be in the "club".
11 months ago
Anonymous
"Woke" isn't about diversity, it's about proselytizing. If the content is being made to show how inclusive/left-leaning they are, it's woke. Woke is virtue-signaling.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Woke is about "diversity", division and proselytizing. You trying to change the definition of a concept is just an attempt to dilute the subject, you disingenuous, israeli prick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it's a matter of ideals and pushing an agenda.
If Ray is a man, what idea is there? What agenda is being pushed? You're using the woke factor as a scapegoat to take the blame for bigger issues.
If Rey was a man, the woke would attack him and join in on the hate train.
And? That doesn't effect the quality of the movie. You do realizes that you're arguing that the movie becomes worse without the woke elements, right?
>So are you saying movies MUST be woke so that they can be accpeted?
No, I'm saying that it's a not even a factor in the quality of the movie. Making Star Wars less woke won't make it a better movie. Any change to make it better wouldn't be about the wokeness. >I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
Give it time, we'll all be gone soon enough.
I'm beginning to think the message is only a factor in that, it's pushed to hide the lack of skill and talent of today's creators.
Some put it on certain areas in their work, some let it be the defining factor of their work. Either way, they use that to shield their work from criticism from the mainstream press.
Wokeness is the source of the characterization problems. Rey is a bad character because she's a Mary Sue, and she's one because of the fourth wave feminism ideal, that says that women are better than men and everyone including themselves need to realize that, the sequels just like Captain Marvel are the story of a woman realizing how strong she is. Because of that they can't be trained by men, or show weakness like feelings or bonds with people
>and TFA's "The Force is female"
Why did this make people seethe anyways? It makes sense that something that's the life force of the universe would be female since females are the creator of life thanks to their wombs
>since females are the creator of life
incubators. they nurture and help bring the life out. but the seed was from a man, and it all starts there. if women were 'creating' life out of thin air by themselves then men wouldnt bare seeds for them to hold onto and bring forth.
Hmm, do I want to see generic irony laced capeshit trash or soulless 3d animated woke garbage?
There's genuinely nothing worth watching in theaters in current year. Everything worth watching isn't going to show up at your local cinema, and it sure as frick isn't going to be aggressively advertised or show up at any sort of """"""prestigious"""""" award show.
The political correctness and third wave feminism are turning people off to films and games.
It's not because theaters are too expensive, The Mario Brothers and Top Gun movies are proof of that. It's not because of the 'unoriginality', again look at Top Gun, Mario Brothers and Spiderverse. It's the Anti-Male, Feminist crap.
Get rid of the Social Justice and preaching and movies will improve tenfold.
>reddit spacing
Have you considered that you're in the wrong and this is just the future? Just think about it, what if you're just like the people who were made that actors stopped doing black face? The world will leave you behind.
Yes, I a lone person on Cinemaphile making fun of you is proof that the world isn't leaving you behind. Okay.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If it's inevitable that World is "leaving me behind" then why do you people bother to b***h about opinions like mine, c**t?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>then why do you people bother to b***h about-
WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?
Cinemaphile is all about people b***hing for no reason you dumbass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you weren't some Woke c**t, then maybe you have a point, but there's shitposting and then there's wokeposting and you are clearly wokeposting.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but if he were right, then most current movies with him sensibilities like the ones right now would be doing gangbusters regardless if they are good or not. They aren't.
and movies with your values can't even be made, so
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're just jealous that California holds a monopoly on movies and is the default representative of America on the international scale. Whatever shitty state you live in will never represent America like we do. Deal with it homosexual.
There's anime where I can watch series with feminine female protagonists were men aren't pathetic and/or evil. For some reason everyone assumes that if you don't like misandry you are a traditionalist
11 months ago
Anonymous
Making a not stereotypical girly girl character is misandry now? There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
Yea, anon already posted it, and you literally just responded to it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't that show about a girl who encounters a dude she literally can't do anything to with her powers and who leaves her in the very state of emotional wreck I just described? It's funny to me how you frickers complain about female Mary sues when anime is the media with the greatest number of Mary sues in it. I suppose that if you can self insert into overpowered male character you don't consider him a Mary sue.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Difference is, anime often treats it's characters as jokes, but western characters are most often played serious. So when someone is OP in a comedy, it can be funny, but when it's supoosed to be serious it's annoying. It's why so many complain about Batman being a Gary Stu. At some point it becomes too silly to take serious
11 months ago
Anonymous
He's juat going to dismiss that post on principle because he thinks ALL anime girls are pathetic compared to the great western female character who's never wrong. He got what he wanted from ruining cartoons. And anime is next on his list to ruin.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Isn't that show about a girl who encounters a dude she literally can't do anything to with her powers and who leaves her in the very state of emotional wreck I just described? It's funny to me how you frickers complain about female Mary sues when anime is the media with the greatest number of Mary sues in it. I suppose that if you can self insert into overpowered male character you don't consider him a Mary sue.
Shame anon didn't post a little sooner.
The types who b***h about anime are so predictable, almost as much as American girlboss media.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I do enjoy a couple animes anon. Princess Mononoke, Spirited away, FMAB. You know, the most normie shit.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
Yea, most female characters in anime fall in that middle ground.
You just don't watch any, and like most white people your idea of strong is "acts like a man."
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pray tell what acting like a man is? Perhaps the issue here is that you have an overly narrow definition of how men and women do and should act.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Acting in an aloof and toxic and dismissive way and never showing a hint of vulnerability. Essentially acting like a moron's idea of what a man is.
Basically female characters in western media act like a Schwarzenegger character mixed with a generic Mary Sue, since white people think that shit is compelling and #girlboss as frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, if you go by western media, being rude, acting like a jackass, and never being wrong for it. They're slowly moving away from that for male protagonists thankfully, but they gave it to the female protagonist instead.
I see. I actually do concur with you both. It is interesting to me how the audience is resisting imagining the fiction as it is presented. Simply because nobody in their right mind would think someone like admiral Holdo is actually competent given that she acts like a moron.
However, I do not think most animes give the appropriate solution. It really depends on the anime type but women tend to be portrayed as emotional wrecks who turn to butter the moment the strong male protagonist shows up or they are commodified for the specific female attributes the author wants to use but are rarely considered as full persons. Essentially, I think anime is too tropey in general and reflects too much the Japanese gende double standards.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but women tend to be portrayed as emotional wrecks who turn to butter the moment the strong male protagonist shows up or they are commodified for the specific female attributes the author wants to use but are rarely considered as full persons
Right, I don't think you've watched much anime.
Hell, even a simple shoujo anime aimed at little girls like PreCure is full of the opposite, strong female characters who protect their loved ones while still maintaining their femininity.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>while still maintaining their femininity.
It’s typically very limited, highly stereotypical, and childishly one-note and narrow idea of femininity.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's just an Asian idea of femininity.
ie. One that's not fricked up like white people's idea of femininity, where you can't even define what a woman is and refer to them as birthing person's because you've all gone batshit insane in the last 10 years.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you're trying to tell me that the pink ranger in Sentai being the feminine one for three years running is a good thing?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you trying to tell me that the colour pink being associated with girls is some form of oppression?
Is Barbie being full of pink a bad thing?
Are all white people insane like you are?
It’s very typical patriarchal idea of femininity. All you’re doing is just finding a more coded way to say women should be depicted in a conservative way, except also emphasise sexually driven cuteness to pander male audiences.
>patriarchal
Sorry, I don't use colonizer terms, speak to me in a way that's not moronic or I will just dismiss you as a white moron who only thinks the way you think because you're part of a race of sycophantic mongoloids.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Speaking of which, the Barbie movie is looking to be a shitposty movie, that I'm curious to see how stupidly entertaining it may get.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No I'm saying it's kind of regressive to just always go with that three years in a running especially since the pink ranger before the this wave of feminity was willing to rush into battle to save her male counterparts with a gun, and it was a series with a feminine yellow ranger.
The color didn't ,after, it just felt lazy that they went with Pink=feminine.
Also none of them were as big as a b***h as Kiji brother
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand what your issue is.
This just sounds like autism to me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its annoying because they just went pink=girl and that was it, they could have written a tom boy or a stern figure, it was just the same three years in a row, while the red ranger could be hot blooded young man, or a stern leader, or a wise ass.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I still don't understand your issue.
Yellow could easily fill the role of tomboy or stern chick.
What exactly does the colour have to do with anything?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because they kept making it the pink one, not once did they think of reversing it, mean while all other characters were allowed to a variety of different roles.
11 months ago
Anonymous
its funny how pink color gives you anal pain. I will be pink one ad eternum because that's the code they use... and nothing will change that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said, this just sounds like autism.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're on Cinemaphile what are you expecting?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I certainly don't expect to be lectured about gender relations and politics by autists, one would think they would stay in their lane instead of acting like they know anything about how normal people think.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It’s very typical patriarchal idea of femininity. All you’re doing is just finding a more coded way to say women should be depicted in a conservative way, except also emphasise sexually driven cuteness to pander male audiences.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s very typical patriarchal idea of femininity. All you’re doing is just finding a more coded way to say women should be depicted in a conservative way, except also emphasise sexually driven cuteness to pander male audiences.
It will surprise you but... most woman like pink colour
11 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn’t stop it from being stereotypical. Especially when the pink is girl colour, blue (and everything else) is boy colour is entirely made up thing and only a result of people being heavily conditioned to codify them in that way
11 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, are you medicated?
The only "boy colour" in most people's minds is blue and maybe black, and no one on the planet gives a frick if a girl likes the colour blue more than pink.
You seem genuinely unhinged.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That doesn’t stop it from being stereotypical
Anon: Is stereotypical that Black folk listen hip hop, yet still happens, is stereotypical that americans eat junk food yet still happens, is stereotypical that troons kill themselves yet still happens.
A lot of stuff is stereotypical because is part of X culture.
11 months ago
Anonymous
And insisting everything to just be depicted as a stereotype isn’t good.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Only from a white guilt standpoint, for the rest of us we don't really care.
I'd rather see a stereotypical black guy who listens to gangsta rap as opposed to some homosexual-looking Urkel-wannabe that's sanded down so white women will feel less threatened.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I LOVE STEREOTYPES
Bully for you
11 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, stereotypes are neutral for me. So long as a major character is not a slave to it. Baxter Stockman for example is black, but his stereotype is less about his race, and more about his profession. Demoman is also black, but he gets away with it because his stereotype is based on Scottish culture.
Stereotypes when done right, gives them character.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Stereotypical happens for a reason. Is easy for narrative to follow patterns, so you don't need to explain contexts. Pink ranger will be pink ranger girl forever because for japan and asia, pink is for woman. Not like it? well frick yourself, simple as that.
11 months ago
Anonymous
As opposed to what, black femininity? Black women can't even be feminine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to even argue here, except being racist makes you right?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>is racist against Asian women >gets called out
I don't know, you were the one who started it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s typically very limited, highly stereotypical, and childishly one-note and narrow idea of femininity.
Asian woman like that representation. Each culture have their own symbols. America like gorilla woman, thats OK for americans of course.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me you don’t know any mothers kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Tell me you don’t know any mothers kek
asian mothers? gorilla mothers? depends.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, it's just an Asian idea of femininity.
ie. One that's not fricked up like white people's idea of femininity, where you can't even define what a woman is and refer to them as birthing person's because you've all gone batshit insane in the last 10 years.
Femininity as in performing your specific idea of how women should act? That's precisely what sparked the transgender movement. Femininity is something all women posses simply by being women. A woman who dresses in overalls, curses and is confrontational is still feminine because she is female. What you are describing is traditional femininity, which is simply one way in which femininity manifests. Compounding traditional femininity with femininity itself leads to the notion that a man can be a woman if he performs that traditional femininity. Also, Asians cultures are some of the most misogynistic out there and should definitely not be something to strive for.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Also, Asians cultures are some of the most misogynistic out there and should definitely not be something to strive for.
Compared to white people Asian culture is absolutely preferable.
Your race has kind of proven that the whole "open your mind too much and your brain will fall out" saying is absolutely true.
I just hope to God all the dumb shit you believe dies with you, because your race has become contemptible.
11 months ago
Anonymous
leave you go.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yea you don't watch anime.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, if you go by western media, being rude, acting like a jackass, and never being wrong for it. They're slowly moving away from that for male protagonists thankfully, but they gave it to the female protagonist instead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you watch She-hulk and nothing else then?
Acting in an aloof and toxic and dismissive way and never showing a hint of vulnerability. Essentially acting like a moron's idea of what a man is.
Basically female characters in western media act like a Schwarzenegger character mixed with a generic Mary Sue, since white people think that shit is compelling and #girlboss as frick.
So basically how all of comicsgate writes it's characters?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So basically how all of comicsgate writes it's characters?
I wouldn't know, I don't read or care about comics.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Well, if you go by western media, being rude, acting like a jackass, and never being wrong for it.
But that’s how many men are written. So it’s only an issue because women are written the same way?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's only okay if a certain type of person does it. Take Bruce Lee movies. Do you think his movies would be as beloved if it were someone else but Bruce Lee?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, considering the plots are very superficial and they rely heavily on the action and visuals. Those movies would work just as well with another actor as long as they were a good martial artist with screen presence.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I dunno. It has to be someone who can, let's say, sell you the idea of a one hit death punch. It doesn't work if you replace Bruce Lee with Steven Seagall.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Which is why I said a good martial artist with a screen presence and not just any rando
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nobodys ever argued that you disingenuous wiener sucker and you know it. That's why all these discussions are shit. "Oh so you think this obviously moronic thing that I'm just making up"
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you followed the conversation until now you would see that we have an asian larper in the thread obsessed with women wearing frilly dresses and being profoundly shy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You sound pathetic to be quite frank
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and movies with your values can't even be made
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he's a Konosubatard
Typical
11 months ago
Anonymous
The values of the chuds are literally just movies that were normal 20 years ago. You will never be normal, or a real person, society rejects you because you're a freak with bad ideas.
Spiderverse didn't have political correctness in its marketing, it was low key and subtle. The troony flag only had a few frames instead of it being the main theme
>reddit spacing
Have you considered that you're in the wrong and this is just the future? Just think about it, what if you're just like the people who were made that actors stopped doing black face? The world will leave you behind.
>Have you considered that you're in the wrong and this is just the future?
Not him, but one need only look at media produced outside of the west to see that that's not the case.
And the non-western world makes up the vast majority of the population, Asia alone is 56% of the world's population.
This era will pass, the question is whether or not it'll require white people fricking off permanently.
People forget that part of why all these new movies are flopping is because they're doing dogshit numbers internationally.
You don't hit a billy without the international market, and Americans decided that they only want to make movies for Californians and Californian dicksuckers, so that's the only audience going to see movies now.
>Not him, but one need only look at media produced outside of the west to see that that's not the case.
That can be a factor, but it's only a small one at best. You are talking about media from another culture with different values.. Media made in the west reflects what the west is and what it is becoming.
>Media made in the west reflects what the west is and what it is becoming.
Right, and what the west is becoming is something that's not good, or fun, or interesting.
Hence why people aren't going to the movies, who in their right mind wants to pay money to see that garbage?
>Right, and what the west is becoming is something that's not good, or fun, or interesting.
That may or may not be true, but it's what the west is. On that point we seem to agree. >who in their right mind wants to pay money to see that garbage?
The west, because that's what the west is. The movie industry isn't failing because of some political ideology, there's more at play.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That may or may not be true, but it's what the west is.
Right, but you realize that that's not sustainable, no? >The west, because that's what the west is.
Even that's not true, movie ticket sales are way down from where they used to be even in the west, largely because western media is only interesting to a select few, an ever-decreasing pool of individuals.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Right, but you realize that that's not sustainable, no?
It might be, it might not be. Either way, that's irrelevant. >movie ticket sales are way down from where they used to be even in the west, largely because western media is only interesting to a select few, an ever-decreasing pool of individuals.
I disagree.The world changed after covid. Same day streaming is a huge factor. More and more people don't have a reason to bother going to a theater. I can watch the new Transformers right now in my living room legally. Why should anyone bother with the theater at all anymore? It's not the content, it's the convenience.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I disagree.The world changed after covid. Same day streaming is a huge factor.
Most movies don't do same day streaming and haven't since like 2021.
You're right insofar as streaming is a big factor, since streaming allows access to media from outside of the American sphere of influence, but there are still movies that people go to see in the theaters, such as Top Gun 2, Avatar 2, and Mario.
And ironically, the reason the new Transformers bombed is because it did HORRIBLY internationally, largely because it did poorly in China, where they've been weening themselves off of American media for the last half-decade.
The new Transformers movie opened lower than fricking anime movies like Suzume and Final Slam Dunk in China, and Elemental did worse than a theatrical re-release of Castle in the Sky. That should be a dire sign for American studios.
It seems like the world is changing rapidly when you’re young, but it really isn’t. Humans have been the same for hundreds of thousands of years. This stuff we are going through now will pass like everything else. And arguably, in the rest of the world, it never even got started.
You're just jealous that California holds a monopoly on movies and is the default representative of America on the international scale. Whatever shitty state you live in will never represent America like we do. Deal with it homosexual.
I think the best example is Indiana Jones. Nobody went to see it because Lucas Film destroyed its reputation making movies were women are mary sues and men are pathetic or evil. Everyone was expecting Indiana Jones to be the movie it is, a movie were the bait and switch were the hero is a pathetic loser that needs to be replaced by the annoying b***h that is better than him at everything. But lefties want to pretend that normies don't recognize pattern or that they don't exist
Have you seen the prices on food? Everything is jacked up and people don't want to waste money on something that they MIGHT enjoy or that just looks OKAY.
I don't go outside. I also live in a village. I use ad blockers, and do not use social media or read the news. How does Hollywood market to me without Cinemaphile shills?
Does critkal post here? Now we just had a thread major about this on the kraken movie(still up) and lo and behold he makes a video on this exact topic. Seems like a huge coincidence if you ask me
Marvel has been losing steam ever since Endgame. It is nowhere near as profitable as before and the fad will probably be completely dead within the next five years
>Marvel has been losing steam ever since Endgame.
Their films have overall made more money than the pre-Endgame phases. GOTG 3 is also the 2nd highest grossing film of the year. You don't know what you're talking about.
Dr. Strange 2, GotG3 and Spider-man 3 all did well, the biggest problems are right now, the movies are literal whos that won't get the general audience attention, and since it's guaranteed to be on Disney+ before the next movie, if you don't care about it, any set up for the next movie can be watched comfortably from home. I expect Deadpool 3 will be the next big thing they have that puts butts in seats, because no one really cares about the Marvels. The first one really only did well because it had Fury, Coulson, and was in between Infinity War and Endgame, and we had to know what Fury's Trump card he summoned in the post credit of Infinity War was.
Just cause femcels like his none threatening demeanor doesn’t mean he’s Cinemaphile approved. He’d cry and make a sympathy vid if someone yelled at him and you know it.
Besides some of the movies released being full of controversy, leaked or just being mediocre, people forget people are more tight on money this year, so they might choose in what to spend that money better, why waste my money in couple of movies that just seems plane bad
>the gay mermaid
All the shit that is weird and was a no-no in the 1990s is still a no-no, it's just weird freaks pushed their way into creative spaces and gatekeep normal people.
The animation Industry is antimeritocratic and so movies failing one after another is a predictable result. People don't just want to see animated movies, they want to see good animated movies
Unfortunately even rise of skywalker was a box office hit They will credit the film's success to themselves, so unfortunately for fans they will only consoom shitty goyslop forever
There are very few "must watch" movies. People will go for the visual spectacle of Avatar, only A-tier Marvel brings everybody out, and hundreds of millions of ravenous fanboys had been waiting over three decades for a decent Mario flick. Any big-budget movie needs to have a pre-established fanbase to have a chance, and the movie better have an exceptional hook like a big visual spectacle or return of popular characters make more than breaking even.
People love bringing up movies being woke as the reason but the Mario movie made him a loser man child that needed a princess to help him be something, and that's the second highest grossing animated movie as of now
Yeah fricking this and TikTok is fricking huge and it's "woke" as frick or whatever.
Cinemaphile is desperate to push some bizarre narrative but Elemental and this squid girl movie, it would never even occur to me that they're "woke," they look generic as frick. The DCU films flopping don't look woke the the average person or anything either.
Mario doesn't seem conservative at all and Spiderman with Miles that did okay does actually seem woke. It seems like either a total crapshoot or even a slight advantage or kind of obligatory to be a little woke whether it's Miles or just Girlboss Peach because that's just the market.
But movies in theaters? Are just tanking in general a lot post-covid.
>TikTok is fricking huge and it's "woke" as frick or whatever.
TikTok is only woke in the west, which is, again, because westerners (ie. white people) are woke.
Fine but it means you can sell a product that's "woke" or whatever you want to call it in some places. Like when they have a few gay scenes they can cut for overseas.
Either way, the only movie that actually might have been hurt by "woke" thing (since most of these flops just look generic) is The Little Mermaid because of overseas racism and shit. The other movies just look generic. Either they aren't brand names or their IPs just weren't enough, and cinema in general is shitty now that everyone can watch any movies on their fricking phone. What's the point of theaters anymore?
>Either way, the only movie that actually might have been hurt by "woke" thing (since most of these flops just look generic) is The Little Mermaid because of overseas racism and shit.
And the new Transformers.
And every Marvel/Disney/Pixar movie that was banned in China.
And Indiana Jones.
American movies are dying because the international box office is dying, because you only want to appeal to white Californians and their house pet hyphenated minorities.
That's bullshit though. Moat of these movies look like generic ass crap and if you're not a terminally online /misc/tard you have no goddamn idea they have "woke" content and a frickton of these flops don't even have any, they're just generic shit. Meanwhile tons of entertainment is suffering because of oversaturation, there are just so many options now, and going to a theater is a shit option for most movies anyway. All over the world everyone has a damn smartphone even in poverty in a lot of places and it's usually both cheaper and more convenient. Covid just helped speed it up.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>and if you're not a terminally online /misc/tard you have no goddamn idea they have "woke" content
Stopped reading there.
I know white people like to imagine that everyone else on the planet is some kind of moronic luddite, but believe it or not, the internet is worldwide.
Anyone can see some piece of shit Hollywood garbage and see the content it has before release, which is why they don't go watch it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
didn't spiderverse have both Black folk and trannies?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Only half of that. The other half is headcanon twatter becaue of the trans flag.
11 months ago
Anonymous
wait what, so the troony flag is ok as long as there aren't any actual trannies? when did this happen. people are fine with the troony flag now i guess
You might want to look at where most of Spiderverse's money is coming from.
Hint: Most of it is from white countries and America.
why does the same not apply to the movies that failed
11 months ago
Anonymous
>why does the same not apply to the movies that failed
It does.
Are you moronic?
Have you not been paying attention to what the argument is?
American movies flop more in part because they're doing worse internationally than they used to do.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But spiderverse didn't flop. What was different about it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It didn't have a frickhuge budget and thus could get away with relying entirely on white western audiences and Americans.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I get that but it made 600 million. Did the other movies make anything close to that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No because the other movies flopped.
Are you a bot or something or do you just have dementia?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I understand what you're saying, but im asking you why spiderverse made more money. >but the budget
Im not talking about the net, im talking about the gross. This has nothing to do with budgets. Why did spiderverse gross more? What made it different?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>but im asking you why spiderverse made more money.
Because it appeals more to white westerners and Americans, which is where it made almost all of its money.
In comparison, Fast X appeals more to easterners, but since the east is slowly weening itself off of American media since it's become so gay and stupid, Fast X flopped internationally, despite making more money than Spiderverse, thanks to the much larger budget.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's the sequel to an award-winning movie that people were excited for and received good reviews.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok so it has nothing to do with woke or Black folk or trannies or whatever.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Despite what this board says, no. The vast majority of movie-goers do not care about that stuff.
11 months ago
Anonymous
To a point. Insulting them for not watching your movie isn't going to get them to watch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You might want to look at where most of Spiderverse's money is coming from.
Hint: Most of it is from white countries and America.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>le entire world hates “woke”, never mind that nobody can even agree whatever it even means
How is the new Indy woke? Because there’s a younger female sidekick? If that’s your idea of wokeness that ruins the movie automatically you’re a fricking idiot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you're going to bait, at least be funny and good at it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Chances are, that poster thinks all female characters should be just like her, as those types should be the defacto standard.
Look man, they're literally God's chosen. Jesus was clear when he said that the nations that would bless Israel would be blessed in return.
I don't know about you, but I want America to be blessed by God, not cursed by him. Why do you think the west is going through so much chaos? It's because of the rise in antisemitism that God is turning his back on us.
>Stop going to theaters because of covid. >Realize the theater experience as a whole kind of sucked and wasn't really something to be missed anyways now that I have my own place with a more comfortable set-up for watching shit anyways. >Pretty much only go out to see movies if It's one I really want to see as soon as possible, and even then it's a compromise for convenience and comfort in exchange for urgency.
I am perfectly okay with just waiting a little bit to watch even good movies, if It means I can enjoy them more on first viewing.
Kinoplex: >15 dollars per movie ticket >10 dollar popcorn minimum >Have to drive there >No captions >No pauses >Forced to stay silent >Can be bought at Redbox for 2 dollars within a month >Csn be streamed in 2 months
Paramount Plus >15 dollars month for Infinite recent movies >Kinoplex movies arrive after 2 months afters >Captions >Can pause movies >Loud as I want
in the case of ruby gillman, when i went to see spiderverse, the trailer that showed for it just told me everything about the fricking movie. why would i watch a movie where i already know what happens in it? you've condensed the experience for me within a few minutes, and it was lackluster and cliche.
trailor editors nowadays need to have some fricking self control
It isn't that I saw everything, it's that what I saw didn't make me want to see more
If the movie was hours of cute characters being cute, I'd love it. I'd watch that movie. But it's a boring romcom with annoying characters where the main two characters just have cute designs. I don't want to spend two hours on that
Are there any actual lefties/progressives here that actually like these movies or is it all juat larping trolls? How can you stand these? Do you really like these media which are anti non progressives that much that all straights and whites should die?
In b4 "yes, suck it chuds, trans rights are human rights etc etc" which just means it's all just trolls.
My reaso/n/s for movies are flopping >having to drive everywhere in North America with a car disincentives taking chances, meaning more riskier movies are less likely to succeed >when you're at the movie theater, everything is expensive, especially compared to home where it's cheaper, healthier, comfier, and better >watching movies with others is no longer fun. watch MJ's Thriller for an example on how people used to act when watching a movie. nowadays, if you acted like that, you'd get kicked out. you're just expected to consume product >but despite that, being rude in the movie theater is easier and lamer than ever. people pulling out their bright phones, talking about nothing interesting, making a large mess. none of these make the experience more interesting, it's just "people" being lazy >also the movies shown aren't worth seeing in the first place, let alone going to the movie theater
Having worked in two, separate movie theaters in the span of 10 years, I have lost all interest in ever going back to the movie theater and watching my stuff at home is far better. However, if I were to provide a solution, it'd mainly focused around American infrastructure. Make movie theaters accessible through other means of travel (walking, biking, train) so people have more of a drive to go to the movie theater at anytime. The best movie theaters I've ever gone to were in city blocks and part of the city's culture themselves.
tl;dr American infrastructure ruins everything it touches
I prefer animated movies, but nothing has appealed to me. I have no faith in modern Pixar after TS4. I have no faith in DreamWorks after Shrek 3. Everything else is either boring, uninteresting, or Mario. Also I hate capeshit.
'Box-office Cinema' is rightfully dead, sure there's some super-marketable stuff that still makes money out there, but it won't last forever. Hollywood ran over all the trends before it, Superheroes are like two summers from being flops, mark my words.
I'd say streaming is the future but in general I think quality entertainment is dying. People have such low attention span these days that they'd rather spend 2 hours watching tiktoks from moronic human beings than movies of practically any quality.
It has nothing to do with this and everything to do with the fact that there are so many places to consume entertainment from now that 99.99% of it flies past people and the only ones most people are aware of these days are the giant tent pole shit with insane marketing campaigns and not everyone is interested in seeing that kind of stuff.
A lot of people don’t go to the movies when they can just wait till it’s on streaming. A lot of shows never get any real marketing so unless someone tells you about it you would never even know it exists, same applies to movies where smaller budget ones get no promotion.
Piss poor marketing, THATS IT
Just look at Elemental and Ruby Gillman when compared to Mario Movie.
Yes Mario is already a popular character but that film had crazy amounts of promotions, teasers, sneak peeks, online events, you name it, all to sell this movies. Ruby Gillman, Indiana Jones, Little Mermaid, and Elemental had none of that.
Also I would argue some people are getting sick of the Disney remakes, while you have zoomers who don’t even know who Indiana Jones is. Indiana Jones just doesn’t have that staying power that Star Wars did
I watched Indy back in the day and it was just mediocre for me, The Mummy movies of all things left a better impression.
It feels good to not give a shit about shitty remakes like this and He-Man because I didn't even like them the first time around. Except the Frank Langella movie and the Injustice crossover, which are frankly in a league of their own.
It is a multi-part answer.
Covid >don't go to theaters for a 2-3 years >don't cluster together and socially distance >no wait, come back and do that again with a mix of completely unvaxxed/super vaxxed people with 4+ shots
Video Games >the true entertainment of Covid >immerse yourself in big worlds and you decide what happens
Streaming >sit at home comfy and watch everything you want on a big screen or personal home theater for cheap
ESG scores/racial themes over story >why is no one watching our story about a black latinx who is handicapped and racemixing?
Just bad movies >TERRIBLE sequels like Indiana Jones, Lightyear, Toy Story 3 everything nu-Star Wars destroying previously good reputations >Disney soulless remakes, Disney soulless remakes, Disney soulless remakes destroying classics reputation >New IPs are limp like Ruby and have political agendas to push that sink them on day 1, such as Strange World
This perfect combination has just destroyed movies for the time being. It might take a decade to fix.
For capeshit like the Flash and Quantumania, I think people are also realizing how formulaic these movies are and are becoming boring now. The MCU used to keep people engaged because of the overarching story linking all the movies but when people don't give a shit about that they notice how all MCU movies are the same and without that "Endgame" sort of hype to keep them interested, they just don't care. The DCU is just a mess at this point and WB/Zaslav is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks now and so far nothing has.
>pay 25 bucks for muh meme Imax seating as well as 2-3 commercials for shit I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole, 30 bucks for snacks and 100 bucks for parking >OR stay in my comfy bed with the lights out, the speakers up, a cup of tea and my laptop blasting Sloppy No-Effort Sequel #14 at my sleepy face
You want to know the real reason, OP? It's because the pirate sites got gud.
Because movies are garbage and people know it
Movies are more expensive than ever to go see, especially as an event, but you know that 9/10 in theaters are mediocre at best. Why would I spend 30 bucks for 90 minutes of being unentertained, at best, instead of just pirating it in 2 months if I still care to see it?
>pet your dog >immediately switch to a better movie if the current one doesn't live up to your expectations >play a vidya at the same time >eat or drink something not overcharged by the refreshment stand >avoid that one annoying friend that physically can't shut up about spoilers because you all chipped in to sea it together >wear whatever you want, or nothing at all if you want >shitpost on Cinemaphile/Twitter/plebbit without being glared at
There's absolutely NO reason to haul your ass out to the cinema with a bunch of other jackasses in the darkness unless you know for a fact you're going to be blown away by the experience. Even if you can't find a good camrip on the day of release, it's LITERALLY better value for the money you spend (your internet subscription and your one-time laptop purchase) to stay in your comfy room instead
How do the Japs do it? How do they make movies that are basically just higher budget episodes of an anime series (One Piece, Dragonball, Demon Slayer) and they can still get more people to give a shit than Hollywood sinking billions into a 3D animated kids movie or a superhero flick?
But the western animation industry treats it's workers just as bad if we are to believe Spider-verse claims and the shitshow with Marvel and most even outsource now, so why can't western animated movies make just as much money?
You literally just asked to name an anime film that broke 200 million, I gave you one so ofcourse now you split hairs with "Uhh but actually uhhh technically uhhh"
11 months ago
Anonymous
name another than
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nah Black person, you're just moving the goal post now. Also the One Piece movie when converting it's earnings in Japan alone was around 130 million US which means the other 100 million came from overseas and the film's total was 246 million so that means the split is pretty even which makes your previous "mostly in Japan" claim bullshit as well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>can’t name another cause there isn’t another
11 months ago
Anonymous
>was proven wrong in the first place so now has to find some other example
This era of American media in general is excessively bland and is rampant with corporate greed. Productions are generally overly safe, usually relying on established IPs to do the heavy lifting of getting eyes on them or are devoid of originality as to not put off anyone. It doesn't help that American companies want gazillions of dollars, so every single product has a target audience of every single person on Earth, which is fricking impossible to do since we as people have differing tastes and values.
I don't care what particular reason people have for not seeing a movie, I'm just glad they are being more discerning about which companies they support. No one owes these companies anything, least of which their allegiance.
When it comes to wokeness in our movies, what do you think of wokespotting? As someone said:
"Wokespotting is laser-focused, bad-faith interpretation. It's the art of combing through a work to find individual details which can be contorted into support for your own foregone conclusion. At its most basic, it's really just a game of recognising objects: man, woman, family, government, dress, gun and the positioning of those objects: woman defeats man, family dominates man, woman rejects dress, government dominates man in a way that can be read, however flimsily, as pushing that nebulous woke agenda. Importantly, how the story frames these objects and positions is largely unimportant if it happens to line up with the anti-woke narrative, great, but if not, it doesn't matter all the wokespotting game requires is that those positioned objects be there in some capacity. The already established anti-woke mythology does the rest, does the heavy lifting, substitutes in for framing."
How convinient. Something created so that no one is allowed to complain about movies like Ghostbusters 2016, Dark Fate , Indy jones 5 and the like.
God I fricking hate you. If you wanted us to say that we should love all female protagonists unconditionally or we're Nazis, just say that then. You're on Cinemaphile. We can't do anything about it.
Alright. What do you want then? What exactly is it that you want from us? You took away everything that we cared about, and now here you are gloating about it. You want mw to five up more of what I like? Why don't you just tell me to KILL MYSELF THEN?
FRICK YOU. You took everything away from me and now you claim you want to help me?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Totally, totally rational response.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Just frick off. You won. You have media by your thumbs and I'll have nothing by the end of my lifetime. Just frick off and leave me in peace. Everything I cared about is destroyed by you fricks. And you'll never admit it while you snicker in the background wishing I'd kill myself already. Isn't this what you've always wanted?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ok anon, first I need you to take a deep breath. What has you so riled up? It's just one type of media anon, there is plenty out there which conforms to your tastes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Skullgirls incident. Where they censor EVERYTHING, from skimpy outfits, to even cutscenes of kidnapping and police brutality, stuff that was vilified in the game, but removed outright because the new owners got sqeamish.
That taught me NOTHING I care about is safe.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I am not familiar with Skullgirls or that incident in particular. I doubt anime will change in the way that you fear anon, Japan is not the US and has shown extreme resilience to outside attempts at culture change. I'm sure you can get your fill of sexualitation and traditional gender roles there.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's already started doing it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't give a shit about the traditional values that much honestly. Just sick of the implications by modern media that if I don't follow 100% lockstep or like every change they propose, then I am evil and need to be sent to the gulag, preferably voluntarily. Sexualisation though is weird because the left implies that straight sex needs to be desexualised but LGBT should be sexualised more.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you are a regressive, repressive person why are you surprised people don’t like your views?
11 months ago
Anonymous
So me liking sexy pin ups is repressive?
11 months ago
Anonymous
he must be ugly and gross
11 months ago
Anonymous
Frick off moron.
I'm normal. An normality always win in the end becasue being normal is normal.
You are just par of a fad, and like any unwanted fad (like nazism and fascism) you think you are the future and here to stay, but normality always win.
Sometimes it takes years, soemtimes decades. In the end you'll be remembered as the villain
Only Billionaires are winning. The social justice thing is entirely from the top down. It's not a culture war it's just Billionaires pushing what they want onto the population . It results in weird moronation like this
No I'm saying it's kind of regressive to just always go with that three years in a running especially since the pink ranger before the this wave of feminity was willing to rush into battle to save her male counterparts with a gun, and it was a series with a feminine yellow ranger.
The color didn't ,after, it just felt lazy that they went with Pink=feminine.
Also none of them were as big as a b***h as Kiji brother
heres my theory : MCU films and the like made turned cinema more and more into an event
if theres no tik tok memes or any discourse online no one wants to be part of the "event" so to speak
also media has never been as widely and easily aviable as it is now
why go to the cinema to watch some unassuming kids film when you can just put on bluey all day on disney +? its way cheaper and will do the job of making your kids shut up just as well
kids wont go screaming to their parents to watch stuff like elemental or ruby
media as a whole has become a commodity thanks to streaming
i could literally spend the rest of my life watching a new movie each day without ever going to the cinema and the movies in cinema right now will be aviable on streaming anyways
just literally no reason to go to the cinema unless its something with an actual draw
Did Teenage Kraken really flop or is this a sensationalist headline?
To be honest I didn't know it was a dreamworks movie. I guess they could have marketed a bit better.
Another thing is it seemed very targeted towards girls, which limits your market and is why a lot of films will be a bit more unisex in its appraoch.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't know much about the film at all but just saw a trailer and thought it looked interesting enough
It's not doing too hot that's for sure. The general issues of people not going to theaters, weak advertising, and word of mouth being that the film is just alright. The film is bombing pretty hard as of now. Elemental was seeing a slight turn around so maybe Ruby might get similar treatment but they're not doing good.
well that's a shame
can't speak to the quality of the movie but it looked like something different and Dreamworks I guess would have wanted it to do quite well so a flop can't help matters. I don't want to live in a future where all film releases are straight to sub services because of risk of failure. Pixar even when they flop probably make their money back and do OK, not sure how Dreamworks will handle it.
Come to think of it, I'm struggling to recall the last big new IP that's launched from a movie which is a shame. It seems the safer route is to use what's already established but man I much prefer new material
I personally appreciate Pixar and Dreamworks trying something new even if it doesn't work out. Disney Live Action remakes actively offend me. If we're in an era of endless sequels and remakes then the new IPs also have second chances. Puss in Boots 2 was very much a surprise hit. It's not all doom and gloom.
>Disney Live Action remakes actively offend me
You and me both, I just pretend they don't exist. It works rater well.
I wouldn't say it's all doom and gloom but new IP's often don't get a chance if they bomb. Even Puss is a spin off of a hugely popular IP
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Honestly did anyone hear about this movie and say, "Yeah this is a must see."
Don't get me wrong it's doesn't look bad or worse bland but it looks okay, It looks very much like a movie that doesn't do anything new or interesting, not bad just the same.
Personally it looks more like pilot for a tv show then anything else.
I guess you're not wrong. I was actually more interested until I saw a trailer.
I mean its still a lot better then the soulless husk that is the Mario movie, loving the people screaming about how it works because it sticks to
the games and doesn't do anything different.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've not seen the Mario movie but I thought it was supposedly pretty good? Seemed to go for the Minions audience and people love those films, which again, I've not seen kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its inoffensive as frick, people keep going on about how the critics got this movie wrong but they forget the biggest problem that it's just bland,
Mario is Mario he has no real character here other then he's a loser because he wants to start his own business.
The movie wants us to care about his relationship with Luigi because Mario worries he's dragging his younger brother down but we never see their relationship, frick he has a more engaging character arc with Donkey Kong.
Peach ironically enough does the best out of everyone because despite the changes she has a reason to look after the toads, they're her people and she has a responsibility to look after them.
Bowser was cool
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Its inoffensive as frick, >it's just bland
Honestly I think for a large number of people this just works. They want to switch off and watch something light hearted and from what I gather Mario fits the bill. I never really expected it to tell a competent story or do anything really original but I imagine if i watched it, I probably wouldn't mind it at worse. I'm not really invested in Mario though
11 months ago
Anonymous
Fair but I would have liked a Spiderverse or Lego or the something akin to the upcoming Barbie movie which looks like to be not an adaptation of a toy or a character but a celebration of them, a remind of why these characters matter and why we love them.
Of course it's hard to do because Wreck it Ralph was released.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I get that. If I cared for the Mario brand, I'd probably be annoyed if the adaptation we got after so many years was a blsnd, base take that explores little of the actual characters. But I think that's also a niche audience, while the majority do just know Mario as le Italian plumber so as long as he's doing that and they reference some games, it's easy viewing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
True I just wanted to vent.
11 months ago
Anonymous
kek, nothing wrong with that anon
I haven't seen the film so can't speak that much on it, I just know people seem to have loved it
Did Teenage Kraken really flop or is this a sensationalist headline?
To be honest I didn't know it was a dreamworks movie. I guess they could have marketed a bit better.
Another thing is it seemed very targeted towards girls, which limits your market and is why a lot of films will be a bit more unisex in its appraoch.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't know much about the film at all but just saw a trailer and thought it looked interesting enough
Honestly did anyone hear about this movie and say, "Yeah this is a must see."
Don't get me wrong it's doesn't look bad or worse bland but it looks okay, It looks very much like a movie that doesn't do anything new or interesting, not bad just the same.
Personally it looks more like pilot for a tv show then anything else.
Yeah, the advert just made it look okay. It seems representitive of the alright feeling the film has in general. I have a feeling it will be alot more of a hit at home.
I think that's true for alot of things, things like Encanto really took off when it came to Disney Plus
Yeah, the advert just made it look okay. It seems representitive of the alright feeling the film has in general. I have a feeling it will be alot more of a hit at home.
Because people don't watch movies to enjoy them anymore, everyone want to either be a critic or be told what to watch by a critic, and with social media it's easier than ever.
Also movies have shit marketing these days which is weird because again, they have easy access to social media, but they don't use it enough.
Because entertainment became incestuous, effeminate and woke.
It's that simple.
Only the compulsive acritical consumer keep watching it, and while they are many and hey won't stop no matter what, the majority of them don't like it very much.
Cinema as an industry is in decline. There's a whole host of reasons for this, but in no particular order:
- there is an incredible amount of competition for eyeballs. On-demand streaming, video games etc.
- the decline of small, local cinemas / the rise of out-of-town fancy multiplexes.
- marketing fatigue
- hell is other people
All of these are pretty self-explanatory. People are spoiled for choice when it comes to entertainment. Most places lost their older local cinemas with them being replaced by larger mulitplexes which *have* to be driven to, removing spontanenous visits / making a trip to the cinema something which requires much more planning. We are bombarded with marketing for any new films. It isn't just a trailer and a poster any more, we get multiple trailers, teasers for the trailer, interviews, people leaking spoilers, by the time the film comes out people just don't care as all the excitement has been squeezed out of them. Then if you do go, you have to put up with buttholes who seem to go out of their way to ruin the experience for everyone else.
>it was clearly a spoof of Little mermaid
I wonder if they'd have had more success marketing it as that
I guess another problem with spoofs is they work far better if you lean in and make the whole thing a comedy and I don't know if Kraken is
I'm not sure, if anything being a riff on The Little Mermaid made me want to engage with Ruby less. I think Ruby as a character has a solid identity, they should just expore her more if they Dreamworks goes forward with any other Ruby Gillman projects.
>if anything being a riff on The Little Mermaid made me want to engage with Ruby less
I've not seen it, but if their intention was to just riff on Little Mermaid, surely they should have been a bit more clear about it to possibly strum up interest? I feel lik eif you're doing parody you have to lean into it, going halfway and you get the worst of both worlds, where you're not as good as the original, but also not bringing enough new to the table to stand in your own right.
Another thing is maybe a Kraken was the wrong choice, I'm not sure how popular they are with kids
I haven't seen the movie but is it even really that, to me the mermaid seems more like a rich girl joke than the little mermaid.
See it seems more like they wanted to make a teenage superhero story, they went with the obvious choice and made the villains the popular mean girl, only deciding to make her a red head because they why not take the famous mermaid and use her.
>I haven't seen the movie but is it even really that, to me the mermaid seems more like a rich girl joke than the little mermaid.
Nah, sure is a rich girl joke, but Ariel IS a rich girl, she is daughter of Triton and still part of undersea nobility. The movie plays with little mermaid elements a lot, my bet is this project was greenlighted just because of Little mermaid live action.
Because they're shit.
Theatres cost a lot of money, I'm not wasting my hard earned cash on shit that stinks a mile away like Harrison Ford belongs in a museum, shark tale 2 and child rapist goes fast in bad cg land.
>Twitter gets rate limits >Screencap threads just transition to attention seeking youtubers
Truly awesome, thanks guys for your incredible solutions in these trying times
I am tired of speculating why other people did not see it. I will just tell you why I did not see it. >Ariel gets blacked AND turned into a villain the same fricking year
Why? What did she ever do to anyone? >black male racemix romance again
Black males are never going to be shown to be with black women again, huh? They even paired him with some fish woman wtf. It's going blacks x interspecies now. >gross art style
It's very CalArts, beanmouth, just longer limbs with big dopey hands and tiny heads. The black male character almost looked like a racist caricature. >dumb idea for a movie from the start
Set up for failure by going against cute mermaids and trying to make them evil. No little girl is going to get on board with that. And perhaps most importantly... >Katzenberg
I can't go see it because his decades old hate against The Little Mermaid is cringe and childish. I will literally pirate it to make that motherfricker seethe a whole extra decade because his baby bombed at the box office.
That is exactly why it failed. It's too close to accurate. What mom wants to take her kid to see sirens when she can just pop in the old Little Mermaid?
Yeah. Evil mermaids are only a subversion in the context of Disney's Littke Mermaid. Otherwise, evil mermaids are stock. Hell, Disney's Aladdin had an evil mermaid.
>Disney's Aladdin had an evil mermaid.
Djinns are evil creatures that play with humans to gain liberty in exchange for freedom. Even the original tale have this.
Disney making evil creatures the good ones since forever.
We're in a recession, dum dums. too much debt in the system combine with high interest rates and less employment means people are slowly but surely tightening their belts.
t./biz/ Some of you guys are alright,Sell your houses and pay off your debts
No one wants to go to the theatres
Mario movie says hi.
The reality is movies like Ruby Gillman and Elemental don't appeal to kids whatsoever.
You can't appeal to kids if the kids don't know you exist. Mario ads were inescapable, Ruby ads are like a shiny pokemon.
You all say the same damn shit every single time these movies fail. When a studio recognizes they have a dud and pulls back the advertising budget, that just shows that everyone can see how problematic they are. But people like you are too prideful to own up to it
Who gives a shit who asks the question
>You all say the same damn shit every single time these movies fail.
Nope, The Flash had ads. It flopped because of a mix of Ezra, bad word of mouth once it came out, and DC still struggling to shake off the public image BvS and Justice League gave them. Also it's flowing up Shazam 2, and that did not help DC's image.
As well as Zaslav and Gunn overhyping the movie instead of just saying it was a fun flick.
“There was no advertising!” Is always the biggest fricking cope. I saw adds for strange world, elemental, and Ruby months before their release all the time on YouTube and other sites. I don’t know about television but no one fricking watched television so those don’t even matter. They were advertised constantly online.
Yea, the "no ads" shit is always just a giant cope.
People see the ads for these movies, they're just not interested.
All the advertising in the world can't save a shitty product with no appeal.
I've seen virtually no ads for Ruby or Strange World. The only time I was advertised Ruby was when I saw Elemental in theaters. I did see the McDonalds ad for Elemental but only on Hulu. Definitely no ads for them on Youtube. I do agree that generally it is a cope but from my point of view I hardly knew these movies existed.
Mario is Mario you fricking moron
Honestly movies like Mario are more an outlier exception than anything these days. My experience is that if you can make something a family outing with a gigantic enough brand that several families with kids wearing merchandise can all see together as a huge EVENT that will shut the kids up yeah it MIGHT do well and be like taking the kids to a theme park kind of thing.
Otherwise, why the frick would you even bother? With a half decent or even shitty setup at home you can get a great experience with endless choices these days thanks to streaming. Why the frick would you even bother?
I think people just go to the movies less. A lot of people made Mario the one movie they're going to go to this year, instead of the one movie they're going to that month like they did before COVID.
>movie based on one of the most well known and beloved properties say hi
Fricking moron.
Mario movie also came out when there was nothing for families for weeks. The real villain is shitty release schedules
We’ve spent the better part of a decade seeing a trend where people are seeing less and less movies in theatres outside of the handful of big blockbuster shit that capture the zeitgeist. For every Top Gun and Avatar you have dozen movies that underperform or flop because they cost hundreds of millions to make and have ridiculously high expectations to make money.
Nobody wanted to go to the theaters, they just wanted that mario movie promised back when they kinda did want to go.
The last train home.
>Mario movie says hi
if the nuPokemon games are anything to go, the Nintendo fandom just goes to where their cult leader points at
Go back to Cinemaphile, homosexual
>movie with 500m in advertising says hi
Uhhh
This, I said in a previous thread most theaters on their website have rentals for a private showing for as little as $100 because they're so desperate for money, even AMC.
how much do you guys think it would cost to rent out their biggest theater at 2:00 AM to take a date out to a private screening of paul blart: mall cop 2
just me, a girl, and kevin james fighting a losing battle against an african crowned crane in the middle of a las vegas hotel. nobody else
i would be willing to spend an unreasonable amount of money on that i think
Not in big cities I assume.
>Takes public transport, walking in the summer sun if need be
What now managercucks??
I certainly don't. Stopped going during the plague, and I don't miss it.
There's nothing good in theaters besides occasional throwbacks
Maybe tickets shouldn't be expensive?
Not to mention food and drinks there. If they lowered ticket prices and gave you the option to bring in your own food and drink I’d bet they’d see there numbers go up.
food and drinks are the theater's main source of revenue. If you tamper with that in any way, then they'll die within a month.
I can buy an entire large cheese pizza for the price they charge a single slice.
If that's their main way of making money, then I guess it's time to retire the business.
Or innovate like partnering up with restaurants. Let restaurants rent some space in a theater.
You know, I like that idea better. Put a food court in the theater and make money off the partnerships instead of the overpriced garbage they have now.
People will probably cry and b***h about the lack of popcorn, but what ya gonna do?
Also sell popcorn. Maybe cotton candy. Hell, all the carnival foods!
There's a movie theater near me that also acts as a restaurant. You get waited on during the movie.
yes
but this is better
you wouldn't even need to get rid of popcorn. just let the theater focus solely on popcorn and let the restaurants focus on meals.
Nobody wants to stream either, if Max and Disney+ losing money is an indicator.
That’s because streaming subs are relatively cheap so when you spend a lot of money producing original content as well as having to maintain the service itself, it doesn’t produce a lot of profit. Netflix was a working model that worked when it was licensing shit from studios and just had to pay for that.
Because there are no good movies anymore for over a decade
>Critikal
>Pixar and Dreamworks new movies flopped
>The Flash flopped
>Indiana Jones flopped
>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Is it over for cinema? Are video games really the future?
Video games have been the most profitable form of entertainment by a country mile for well over a decade
>Are video games really the future?
Game budgets can get even more ridiculous and that doesn't even take into account most games take way more time to make than most films
No, theaters are just a dinosaur experience when streaming exists. It's like how you're not playing your video games at an arcade.
except no, arcades and console games have they own ways of making visible money. There is absolutely no fricking visible way to view how profitable a direct to streaming movie is
You can profit from theaters, but you can't profit from streaming. Had services like Vudu and iTunes/Play Store became the default method of watching film and tv online, then these companies wouldn't be having these issues. The rent/buy model will always trump the subscription model every time.
*ahem*
Spiderverse is a sequel. Sequels and remakes still do decently, but even then it wasn’t as good as I’d have expected.
Indiana Jones is a sequel too.
>Are video games really the future?
7/12 of those made a profit. Preorders mean its basically impossible to lose money on a well-advertised game.
also Jedi Survivor itself is a pretty good game
It's also why game developers are treated and paid like trash. Aggressive advertising can, and will, always financially trump an actually good game.
The video game industry deserves its Cyberpunk 2077s, its No Man's Skys, and its endless Fifas/Maddens that get worse every year.
Didn't No Man's Sky bounce back and became better than it was advertised? It was the only pne of its kind where it had a horrible launch but redeemed itself from never giving up.
If anything, it should be Anthem that gets mebtioned as that is like No Man's Sky, except never delivering.
Yeah, No Man's Sky had a big redemption arc. I think Cyberpunk did as well but it might have just been because of the anime being stupidly fricking popular
>I think Cyberpunk did as well
All basedberpunk did was become playable. It's still underwhelming compared to what was promised.
It took several years to get to that point. My point is developers became too comfy with "eh we'll fix it later" even if buyers have already spent $60 or $70 on it. The worst part is that "later" might never come. The result is we're seeing more and more games releasing in broken or unfinished states that may or may not ever be fixed. Because the publisher already has your money. They're not obligated to do anything else. And this is slowly becoming the norm.
>No Man's Sky bounce back and became better than it was advertised?
No, it isn't, fricking have a nice day like your mother
It's definely miles than its launch, that's for sure.
keep shitting on Cinemaphiletard bootlickers, I just can't tolerate 'no man's sky is fine now' meme
What's it missing from what it was advertising before launch? Honest question.
I gotta admit Cyberpunk has pretty good story for an AAA game, the quest to chase the abused serial killer gave me Goosebumps and it's been a long time since I've had it from videogame, They deserve 20 million copies, I hated TW3, so I hope they continue CP series, Rockstar has proven themselves as morons with RDR2 so there's no more AAA company to look forward to
>Lord of Ring: Gollum
Comics suck now
Games suck now
Movies suck now
Books suck now
Music sucks now
What's left?
Find better art. There's much more than AAA slop but hack anti-woke daily YouTubers will never tell you that. It's depressing as frick but it's not ALL art.
I still consistently find games, shows, and movies I enjoy in current year. You need to stop looking at the AAA industry and think that's all there is.
stop going mainstream, look at AA or Indie games, the type of shit that literally doesnt get """investors"""" so they are really creatively and passion driven.
Same rule with comics, books, music, etc.
funnily enough despite being in the age of information, finding these things is still very word of mouth as it was in the past.
There's an infinity of old media to consume, just need to find them
>The Little Mermaid made back it's budget.
No, it didn't. Do you even know how movie math works?
Cope and Seethe
thats what you're doing
>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget
First off, that's wrong you fricking moron.
Second, that's still considered a financial failure.
>still considered a financial failure
Not Post-Covid
nah it is
Video games are 100% the future of entertainment. Just look at these earnings. Movies are dying. Pixar better shift over to making games otherwise they’ll go bankrupt.
I don't care how much you shill Genshin, I'm not downloading that Chinese spyware
It’s okay, you have TikTok. They can use that to spy on you instead
This might shock you zoom zoom, but I don't have Tik Tok for shit
170 million people use TikTok. That’s 50 million more people than who voted in 2020. Your time is over, Gramps
>defending Tik Tok
have a nice day
>International social media that anyone can use
>One country where voting is restricted to people 18+
Golly gee wilkers! Never would’ve thought!
Oh no no, BILLIONS of people use the app worldwide. Those numbers are just for America.
It’s over boomers
zoomers won
china won
woke won
>china won
>woke won
Anon, these two can't happen concurrently.
Woke is anti-China.
nope china is getting nuked zoomers are going to be shoved in the gas chamber and even normalgays are turning against woke homosexualry die israelite your demoralization tactics are failing
cope and seethe, /misc/tard
The Little Mermaid won.
no it didn't it flopped like a fish
I'm not sure if it is considered a flop (though it probably is), but TLM certainly didn't make a splash.
>indy's goddaughter upstaging and possibly replacing him
With the current box office projections, that ain't happening.
How was I changing the definition? I just said woke is about proselytizing and virtue-signaling.
You sound mad things aren't going your way anon. That scenario is very fantastical.
nah yours is
Frick outta here antisemite.
Jews are asf and our brothers.
Jews are destroyers who only look out for their own, moron.
Keep crying, Ahmed.
Keep seething, little shekel.
die israelite
>tiktok search engine
uhhh what about yandex? it's pretty good the reverse image search works great
your time is in the gas chamber you homosexual zoomer
And the combined IQ of ALL those mouthbreathing wienerwombles is approximately 69
>inb4 “Nicccee”
i have never used tiktok in my life
Genshin has been losing revenue for the last 6 months.
Maybe because it’s been out for fricking 4 years now? What movie still makes money after the first year?
Genshin is a Live Service Gacha. It's purpose is to make as much money as possible. Movies just need to make more than what they cost to make back their money and that is less tall of an order than making money forever.
I don't trust these charts all that much. People were only able to gage Genshin banner sales through Chinese IOS users. Star Rail also has less of an online presence than Genshin for some reason.
>People were only able to gage Genshin banner sales through Chinese IOS users.
Anon, the source of that image is Sensor Tower, which only tracks iOS monthly sales data.
So all those numbers are JUST revenue from the iOS versions of those games.
My point is that it's still just an incomplete picture. A handful of these games are on other platforms like Steam and consoles and they show rather different results than what's on your chart for example.
It's a moot point because it's all revenue at the end of the day.
Largely because the same dev released a new game that's been topping the charts in Genshin's place.
and Dreamworks new movies flopped
>>The Flash flopped
Jones flopped
>>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
>Is it over for cinema? Are video games really the future?
Are you a big time Hollywood Producer? Cuz you're really good at taking away the wrong lessons from failure. All of movies listed above have issues on there own and in 2000s the movie industry had started growing at a faster rate then it had in the decades before. It was unsustainable
>It was unsustainable
I think we're honestly here right now and I think vidya is quickly approaching the same point. It just costs too much fricking money to make movies right now and it's gotten to the point where unless it's a huge hit then it's a failure.
Video games are different due it being much easier to produce and distribute content. If you're talking about the AAA market then sure, but they've also been saying that for over a decade.
I was talking about the triple A, yeah. Obviously indies are doing fine but so are youtube and streaming when it comes to replacements for tv / movies so I think it's a similar situation
Video game industry is already much larger and much more profitable than film is
turns out microtransactions and anti-consumer business practices really do lead to profitability
Should movie studio's be introducing microtransactions into movies?
bring back the mutoscope
pay extra to watch the next act, and a little more to see the alternate routes and endings
It's unironically not the companies' faults their audience is full of consooomers.
what fricking lessons?
and Dreamworks new movies flopped
These movies didn't appeal to kids or parents.
>>The Flash flopped
The Flash was in production for 7+ years because the script was terrible and there plan to fix it was cameos and a deep cut references to an Evening with Kevin Smith. Also Ezra Miller's take on Flash didn't resonate with people who saw JL. Also Ezra Miller in general. Also they are reboot the franchise after this so there is no reason to see this movie other then to see this movie.
Jones flopped
Haven't seen it but RLM says it too long not great but not terrible. Really Indy isn't the cultural cornerstone it was 20 years ago, crystal skull left a bad taste in peoples mouths and fan don't trust current Disney with Lucasfilms
>>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Disney live action remake have a reputation for never being as good as the original. The music is never as good, the new songs are never as good, the changes to the stories always make the stories worse. If you've seen the OG mermaid and the remake of Mulan, Aladdin or Beauty or the Beast you know exactly what this movie is going to be without looking at a review or seeing a trailer.
People got too comfortable at home, though seeing it on the big screen has an appeal still. What (good) movies may be missing is advertising the experience and remembering to advertise, there really isn't much of that for any of these failed ones
It doesn't have anything to do with quality.
"Beau is Afraid" is a great movie and yet it still flopped.
nope the little coonmaid flopped like a fish
>Pixar and Dreamworks new movies flopped
Woke (enby elemental, tired racism bad plot, ginger ariel stand-in bad, etc.)
>The Flash flopped
Woke (queer enby literal child grooming actor)
>Indiana Jones flopped
Woke (feminist flick with indy's goddaughter upstaging and possibly replacing him)
>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
Woke (blackwashing yet another iconic ginger character, to the revulsion of international audiences, rewriting songs to be PC, etc.)
Good strawman, shame I don't gonna read that shit.
it's pretty insane that the goddamned skibidi toilet is mogging all of these multi-million dollar studio produced features. even more crazy is that, can you honestly say it doesn't deserve it?
Movies and TV in general are dying. tne last two MCU shows didn't even break 1 million viewers and those were streaming shows, apart of an apparent new era where "Streaming is The Future and Cable is dying", truth is they're both dying, and movies are dying too. Every movie this year besides Mario have been successes at the box office, not even the big franchise movies are doing hot. Little Mermaid apparently didn't even make back it's budget yet, Indiana Jones 5 underperformed, Antman 3 flopped, Shazam 2 flopped and The Flash especially flopped the hardest of them all.
They have been for a while.
and Dreamworks new movies flopped
pixar has been going downhill for years, after lightyear was a boring wet fart I don't think it has the same name recognition anymore. Dreamworks always has ups and downs.
>>The Flash flopped
ezra miller killed this, he's weird looking, annoying and they reset their universe.
Jones flopped
No one wants to geriatric Indy get replaced with someone, just let it die.
>>The Little Mermaid just made back it’s budget after a whole month
This one is wrapped up in a bunch of discussions, race, being a pale imitation of an actual work of art and just not interesting.
Sonic 3 will make like $500 million easily.
Combination of shit movies and inflation fricking everyone in the ass while everyone ignores it and pretends everything is fine.
The only movies that haven't flopped this year are Mario Bros, Spiderverse, John Wick 4, and Scream 6.
The aren't being advertized.
I don't use ad blockers, and I watch TV. I've seem ZERO ads for this movie. Fricking Cinemaphile has put in more work bringing awareness to this movie than the studio. Let that sink in.
We're at a new low when the fugliest and laziest of Youtube personas just sits there telling us what flops.
I wish they'd all just die. Being fed to the poor or some shit.
I hope this homosexual chokes on his antidepressants.
>he bought into Logan Paul's crypto
Did he really!?
Any moron dumb enough to give not just Logan Paul, but any eceleb money deserves to get fricked over.
Give up, this place is cancer.
You act like this is new.
i dont think you understand what anon meant with that post
Oh I do, and that's why he's a joke for even thinking it is worth saying.
BTW, did you know we are on the internet right now?
I think the joke is that the reply doesn't know what movie that is
Because every movie sucks. They're all ugly, unisex and have social commentary bullshit in them.
>and have social commentary bullshit in them.
This. There has never been any social commentary in movies before 2010.
Robocop says hi.
There's a difference between Fire & Ice's "if you don't oppose evil it will eventually come for you" and TFA's "The Force is female". Hell, Robocop 2 even made the point that catering to pc groups castrates the system.
Let's not pretend that TFA would have been any better if that wasn't in there.
That's like complaining that your house has a broken window while it's on fire. Sure replacing the window will make it look a little better, but there are much bigger issues that need to be given attention.
If it wasn't there, it'd be less blatantly obvious. Rey's "gifted" prowess at everything under the sun is still blatant with its message though, but at least it wouldn't be as insulting without them shouting with a megaphone about it.
>Let's not pretend that TFA would have been any better if that wasn't in there
Oh frick off. Ray being adept at the use of Force with no training and Luke being sidelined to prop her up were things that made the movies worse.
That little white thing that displays motion and purpose comes from your dad's balls. The womb is where you gestate.
Let's pretend Ray is a man, that's the only change.
Is is now a good movie now? It's not woke anymore.
If that were the case, more people would be willing to shit on it. Do you see the problem? If it's not woke anymore, more people would be honest about hating it openly than they do now.
No, it would still be the same. There are people shit on it harder than it deserves only because it's woke, and I'm willing to bet that number of people who support it for being woke is about the same. So it evens out unless you think there's a vastly greater quantity of people who support woke ideas than there's people who hate it.
Either way, the movie still gets shit on, and either way, my point stands that the movie is still just as bad without the woke ideas in it.
Point is that those movies won't be defended by the woke, they'd be joining in on the hate.
Okay, so you agree then that my original arguemt was correct.
Removing the woke elements wold not have saved the movie.
But why are you ignoring the fact that the only reason why these movies get defended is because of the woke elements?
Because I don't care about that.
My only point is that the movie isn't bad because it has woke elements and it would be the same with or without them. That's all I've cared about. Who cares if some political ideology gets people to defend something? That doesn't change the quality of the product.
It does when the shit is paraded as good defacto movies by the powers that be.
If Ray was a man they wouldn't write him into a Mary Sue.
If Rey were a man, everyone would've shit on it on day one as these fine gays have mentioned.
It's not a matter of having a wiener or a pussy, it's a matter of ideals and pushing an agenda.
Yes. And the agenda was "cooter better".
>it's a matter of ideals and pushing an agenda.
If Ray is a man, what idea is there? What agenda is being pushed? You're using the woke factor as a scapegoat to take the blame for bigger issues.
If Rey was a man, the woke would attack him and join in on the hate train.
And? That doesn't effect the quality of the movie. You do realizes that you're arguing that the movie becomes worse without the woke elements, right?
So are you saying movies MUST be woke so that they can be accpeted? Because if thst's true, I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
>So are you saying movies MUST be woke so that they can be accpeted?
No, I'm saying that it's a not even a factor in the quality of the movie. Making Star Wars less woke won't make it a better movie. Any change to make it better wouldn't be about the wokeness.
>I don't want to live on this earth anymore.
Give it time, we'll all be gone soon enough.
I'm beginning to think the message is only a factor in that, it's pushed to hide the lack of skill and talent of today's creators.
Some put it on certain areas in their work, some let it be the defining factor of their work. Either way, they use that to shield their work from criticism from the mainstream press.
We're not saying the movie would be "better", the movie would be still be shit but "perceived as better or worse" depending whether or not the film pushes a message, if no message is pushed, E-Celebs and everyone else in the media complex would hate on it.
Okay, but I'm talking about the quality of the movie. That's all I've been talking about.
If anything you're saying that the majority of people accept the woke ideas.
The majority of E-celebs and their little moron followers accept woke ideas because they can't think for themselves, yes and the quality WOULD change technically. Male protagonists are always better than Female ones.
Okay, so you believe that most people in the world are woke.
If anything that's a fricking good reason to make movies even more woke because that means people will support them.
Yeah, I'd say most Western people like yourself are moronic, yes.
Well, now we're technically the minority, therefore, we are counterculture, since the sheep are ironically "woke".
Oh god, we are the hipsters.
The image of a White family in a nationalist setting is the edgiest thing someone can post on the Internet.
*An image
Watch out, my power is overflowing!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
You know that basically feeds into the idea that they are counterculture, whem the woke is claiming that they are the "real" countercukture, despite corpos and goveenmwnts bending to the woke.
Woke was counter culture, but has become the mainstream.
Just like anime.
Even then I'm not too sure. It has become mainstream sure, but it's getting more pushback than when it was counterculture.
Male protagonists are pushed as weak and feeble and without their female "sidekick" they're worthless. Again, it pushes a message. The woke factor must be pushed at all costs by the people in charge.
Why? To demoralize and to divide the public while protecting the rich and powerful.
Watch him defend this by saying this is what all movies should be like, and if you disagree, you're a Nazi.
I hate progessives for pushing this as the DEFACTO STANDARD FOR EVERYTHING ON EARTH.
people like him defend this because they want to be with the "club" and the sad part is, no matter how hard they suck dick, they won't make regardless.
They'll never be in the "club".
"Woke" isn't about diversity, it's about proselytizing. If the content is being made to show how inclusive/left-leaning they are, it's woke. Woke is virtue-signaling.
Woke is about "diversity", division and proselytizing. You trying to change the definition of a concept is just an attempt to dilute the subject, you disingenuous, israeli prick.
Wokeness is the source of the characterization problems. Rey is a bad character because she's a Mary Sue, and she's one because of the fourth wave feminism ideal, that says that women are better than men and everyone including themselves need to realize that, the sequels just like Captain Marvel are the story of a woman realizing how strong she is. Because of that they can't be trained by men, or show weakness like feelings or bonds with people
But it is there and it doe snake it worse. People fricking hate weird propagada when they detect it.
>and TFA's "The Force is female"
Why did this make people seethe anyways? It makes sense that something that's the life force of the universe would be female since females are the creator of life thanks to their wombs
>since females are the creator of life
incubators. they nurture and help bring the life out. but the seed was from a man, and it all starts there. if women were 'creating' life out of thin air by themselves then men wouldnt bare seeds for them to hold onto and bring forth.
I guess you now hate Mother Nature and all the myths where life begins with women
>I guess you now hate Mother Nature and all the myths where life begins with women
no. just kathleen kennedy
>females are the creator of life thanks to their wombs
They don't reproduce asexually, brainlet
Some lizards do reproduce asexually and have no males
And the Y chromosome are disappearing
Cope
I knew the fricking lizard people were invading our board
>And the Y chromosome are disappearing
You are still a full XY despite the purulent wound and wig, "samantha"
You sound like a /misc/tard
None of these movies provide a cinematic experience that's why.
138065713
are you moronic?
Hmm, do I want to see generic irony laced capeshit trash or soulless 3d animated woke garbage?
There's genuinely nothing worth watching in theaters in current year. Everything worth watching isn't going to show up at your local cinema, and it sure as frick isn't going to be aggressively advertised or show up at any sort of """"""prestigious"""""" award show.
Oh yeah, not to mention the plethora of insipid remakes/remasters plaguing the animation industry.
People cant afford to watch movies or buy books. Late stage capitalism goes brrrrrrrr
Gotta buy the Bluray.
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>woke
Polly want a cracker?
The political correctness and third wave feminism are turning people off to films and games.
It's not because theaters are too expensive, The Mario Brothers and Top Gun movies are proof of that. It's not because of the 'unoriginality', again look at Top Gun, Mario Brothers and Spiderverse. It's the Anti-Male, Feminist crap.
Get rid of the Social Justice and preaching and movies will improve tenfold.
>says political correctness is turning people off
>mentions Spiderverse as a success
kek
There are various types of political correctness. Some are more tolerable than others.
You're mad because I'm right.
No, you're mad because the world doesn't care about you and never will.
Yet you cared enough to reply to me. You're not very bright are you?
Yes, I a lone person on Cinemaphile making fun of you is proof that the world isn't leaving you behind. Okay.
If it's inevitable that World is "leaving me behind" then why do you people bother to b***h about opinions like mine, c**t?
>then why do you people bother to b***h about-
WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE!?
Cinemaphile is all about people b***hing for no reason you dumbass.
If you weren't some Woke c**t, then maybe you have a point, but there's shitposting and then there's wokeposting and you are clearly wokeposting.
Nta but if he were right, then most current movies with him sensibilities like the ones right now would be doing gangbusters regardless if they are good or not. They aren't.
>the world
You don't speak for everyone, idiot. What is this? The highschool musical?
>No, you're mad because the world doesn't care about you and never will.
But the movies with your values are flopping left and right
and movies with your values can't even be made, so
There's anime where I can watch series with feminine female protagonists were men aren't pathetic and/or evil. For some reason everyone assumes that if you don't like misandry you are a traditionalist
Making a not stereotypical girly girl character is misandry now? There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
>There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
Yea, anon already posted it, and you literally just responded to it.
Isn't that show about a girl who encounters a dude she literally can't do anything to with her powers and who leaves her in the very state of emotional wreck I just described? It's funny to me how you frickers complain about female Mary sues when anime is the media with the greatest number of Mary sues in it. I suppose that if you can self insert into overpowered male character you don't consider him a Mary sue.
Difference is, anime often treats it's characters as jokes, but western characters are most often played serious. So when someone is OP in a comedy, it can be funny, but when it's supoosed to be serious it's annoying. It's why so many complain about Batman being a Gary Stu. At some point it becomes too silly to take serious
He's juat going to dismiss that post on principle because he thinks ALL anime girls are pathetic compared to the great western female character who's never wrong. He got what he wanted from ruining cartoons. And anime is next on his list to ruin.
Shame anon didn't post a little sooner.
The types who b***h about anime are so predictable, almost as much as American girlboss media.
I do enjoy a couple animes anon. Princess Mononoke, Spirited away, FMAB. You know, the most normie shit.
>There has to be a middle ground between pathetic anime girls who become emotional wrecks at the slightest difficulty and western Mary sues.
Yea, most female characters in anime fall in that middle ground.
You just don't watch any, and like most white people your idea of strong is "acts like a man."
Pray tell what acting like a man is? Perhaps the issue here is that you have an overly narrow definition of how men and women do and should act.
Acting in an aloof and toxic and dismissive way and never showing a hint of vulnerability. Essentially acting like a moron's idea of what a man is.
Basically female characters in western media act like a Schwarzenegger character mixed with a generic Mary Sue, since white people think that shit is compelling and #girlboss as frick.
I see. I actually do concur with you both. It is interesting to me how the audience is resisting imagining the fiction as it is presented. Simply because nobody in their right mind would think someone like admiral Holdo is actually competent given that she acts like a moron.
However, I do not think most animes give the appropriate solution. It really depends on the anime type but women tend to be portrayed as emotional wrecks who turn to butter the moment the strong male protagonist shows up or they are commodified for the specific female attributes the author wants to use but are rarely considered as full persons. Essentially, I think anime is too tropey in general and reflects too much the Japanese gende double standards.
>but women tend to be portrayed as emotional wrecks who turn to butter the moment the strong male protagonist shows up or they are commodified for the specific female attributes the author wants to use but are rarely considered as full persons
Right, I don't think you've watched much anime.
Hell, even a simple shoujo anime aimed at little girls like PreCure is full of the opposite, strong female characters who protect their loved ones while still maintaining their femininity.
>while still maintaining their femininity.
It’s typically very limited, highly stereotypical, and childishly one-note and narrow idea of femininity.
No, it's just an Asian idea of femininity.
ie. One that's not fricked up like white people's idea of femininity, where you can't even define what a woman is and refer to them as birthing person's because you've all gone batshit insane in the last 10 years.
So you're trying to tell me that the pink ranger in Sentai being the feminine one for three years running is a good thing?
Are you trying to tell me that the colour pink being associated with girls is some form of oppression?
Is Barbie being full of pink a bad thing?
Are all white people insane like you are?
>patriarchal
Sorry, I don't use colonizer terms, speak to me in a way that's not moronic or I will just dismiss you as a white moron who only thinks the way you think because you're part of a race of sycophantic mongoloids.
Speaking of which, the Barbie movie is looking to be a shitposty movie, that I'm curious to see how stupidly entertaining it may get.
No I'm saying it's kind of regressive to just always go with that three years in a running especially since the pink ranger before the this wave of feminity was willing to rush into battle to save her male counterparts with a gun, and it was a series with a feminine yellow ranger.
The color didn't ,after, it just felt lazy that they went with Pink=feminine.
Also none of them were as big as a b***h as Kiji brother
I don't understand what your issue is.
This just sounds like autism to me.
Its annoying because they just went pink=girl and that was it, they could have written a tom boy or a stern figure, it was just the same three years in a row, while the red ranger could be hot blooded young man, or a stern leader, or a wise ass.
I still don't understand your issue.
Yellow could easily fill the role of tomboy or stern chick.
What exactly does the colour have to do with anything?
Because they kept making it the pink one, not once did they think of reversing it, mean while all other characters were allowed to a variety of different roles.
its funny how pink color gives you anal pain. I will be pink one ad eternum because that's the code they use... and nothing will change that.
Like I said, this just sounds like autism.
You're on Cinemaphile what are you expecting?
I certainly don't expect to be lectured about gender relations and politics by autists, one would think they would stay in their lane instead of acting like they know anything about how normal people think.
It’s very typical patriarchal idea of femininity. All you’re doing is just finding a more coded way to say women should be depicted in a conservative way, except also emphasise sexually driven cuteness to pander male audiences.
>It’s very typical patriarchal idea of femininity. All you’re doing is just finding a more coded way to say women should be depicted in a conservative way, except also emphasise sexually driven cuteness to pander male audiences.
It will surprise you but... most woman like pink colour
That doesn’t stop it from being stereotypical. Especially when the pink is girl colour, blue (and everything else) is boy colour is entirely made up thing and only a result of people being heavily conditioned to codify them in that way
Anon, are you medicated?
The only "boy colour" in most people's minds is blue and maybe black, and no one on the planet gives a frick if a girl likes the colour blue more than pink.
You seem genuinely unhinged.
>That doesn’t stop it from being stereotypical
Anon: Is stereotypical that Black folk listen hip hop, yet still happens, is stereotypical that americans eat junk food yet still happens, is stereotypical that troons kill themselves yet still happens.
A lot of stuff is stereotypical because is part of X culture.
And insisting everything to just be depicted as a stereotype isn’t good.
Only from a white guilt standpoint, for the rest of us we don't really care.
I'd rather see a stereotypical black guy who listens to gangsta rap as opposed to some homosexual-looking Urkel-wannabe that's sanded down so white women will feel less threatened.
>I LOVE STEREOTYPES
Bully for you
Eh, stereotypes are neutral for me. So long as a major character is not a slave to it. Baxter Stockman for example is black, but his stereotype is less about his race, and more about his profession. Demoman is also black, but he gets away with it because his stereotype is based on Scottish culture.
Stereotypes when done right, gives them character.
Stereotypical happens for a reason. Is easy for narrative to follow patterns, so you don't need to explain contexts. Pink ranger will be pink ranger girl forever because for japan and asia, pink is for woman. Not like it? well frick yourself, simple as that.
As opposed to what, black femininity? Black women can't even be feminine.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to even argue here, except being racist makes you right?
>is racist against Asian women
>gets called out
I don't know, you were the one who started it.
>It’s typically very limited, highly stereotypical, and childishly one-note and narrow idea of femininity.
Asian woman like that representation. Each culture have their own symbols. America like gorilla woman, thats OK for americans of course.
Tell me you don’t know any mothers kek
>Tell me you don’t know any mothers kek
asian mothers? gorilla mothers? depends.
Femininity as in performing your specific idea of how women should act? That's precisely what sparked the transgender movement. Femininity is something all women posses simply by being women. A woman who dresses in overalls, curses and is confrontational is still feminine because she is female. What you are describing is traditional femininity, which is simply one way in which femininity manifests. Compounding traditional femininity with femininity itself leads to the notion that a man can be a woman if he performs that traditional femininity. Also, Asians cultures are some of the most misogynistic out there and should definitely not be something to strive for.
>Also, Asians cultures are some of the most misogynistic out there and should definitely not be something to strive for.
Compared to white people Asian culture is absolutely preferable.
Your race has kind of proven that the whole "open your mind too much and your brain will fall out" saying is absolutely true.
I just hope to God all the dumb shit you believe dies with you, because your race has become contemptible.
leave you go.
Yea you don't watch anime.
Well, if you go by western media, being rude, acting like a jackass, and never being wrong for it. They're slowly moving away from that for male protagonists thankfully, but they gave it to the female protagonist instead.
So you watch She-hulk and nothing else then?
So basically how all of comicsgate writes it's characters?
>So basically how all of comicsgate writes it's characters?
I wouldn't know, I don't read or care about comics.
>Well, if you go by western media, being rude, acting like a jackass, and never being wrong for it.
But that’s how many men are written. So it’s only an issue because women are written the same way?
It's only okay if a certain type of person does it. Take Bruce Lee movies. Do you think his movies would be as beloved if it were someone else but Bruce Lee?
Yes, considering the plots are very superficial and they rely heavily on the action and visuals. Those movies would work just as well with another actor as long as they were a good martial artist with screen presence.
I dunno. It has to be someone who can, let's say, sell you the idea of a one hit death punch. It doesn't work if you replace Bruce Lee with Steven Seagall.
Which is why I said a good martial artist with a screen presence and not just any rando
Nobodys ever argued that you disingenuous wiener sucker and you know it. That's why all these discussions are shit. "Oh so you think this obviously moronic thing that I'm just making up"
If you followed the conversation until now you would see that we have an asian larper in the thread obsessed with women wearing frilly dresses and being profoundly shy.
You sound pathetic to be quite frank
>and movies with your values can't even be made
>he's a Konosubatard
Typical
The values of the chuds are literally just movies that were normal 20 years ago. You will never be normal, or a real person, society rejects you because you're a freak with bad ideas.
Spiderverse didn't have political correctness in its marketing, it was low key and subtle. The troony flag only had a few frames instead of it being the main theme
>reddit spacing
Have you considered that you're in the wrong and this is just the future? Just think about it, what if you're just like the people who were made that actors stopped doing black face? The world will leave you behind.
>Have you considered that you're in the wrong and this is just the future?
Not him, but one need only look at media produced outside of the west to see that that's not the case.
And the non-western world makes up the vast majority of the population, Asia alone is 56% of the world's population.
This era will pass, the question is whether or not it'll require white people fricking off permanently.
This
They're just spewing crap fed to them by E-celebs and Late Night Show nonsense.
People forget that part of why all these new movies are flopping is because they're doing dogshit numbers internationally.
You don't hit a billy without the international market, and Americans decided that they only want to make movies for Californians and Californian dicksuckers, so that's the only audience going to see movies now.
You are absolutely correct.
>Not him, but one need only look at media produced outside of the west to see that that's not the case.
That can be a factor, but it's only a small one at best. You are talking about media from another culture with different values.. Media made in the west reflects what the west is and what it is becoming.
>Media made in the west reflects what the west is and what it is becoming.
Right, and what the west is becoming is something that's not good, or fun, or interesting.
Hence why people aren't going to the movies, who in their right mind wants to pay money to see that garbage?
>Right, and what the west is becoming is something that's not good, or fun, or interesting.
That may or may not be true, but it's what the west is. On that point we seem to agree.
>who in their right mind wants to pay money to see that garbage?
The west, because that's what the west is. The movie industry isn't failing because of some political ideology, there's more at play.
>That may or may not be true, but it's what the west is.
Right, but you realize that that's not sustainable, no?
>The west, because that's what the west is.
Even that's not true, movie ticket sales are way down from where they used to be even in the west, largely because western media is only interesting to a select few, an ever-decreasing pool of individuals.
>Right, but you realize that that's not sustainable, no?
It might be, it might not be. Either way, that's irrelevant.
>movie ticket sales are way down from where they used to be even in the west, largely because western media is only interesting to a select few, an ever-decreasing pool of individuals.
I disagree.The world changed after covid. Same day streaming is a huge factor. More and more people don't have a reason to bother going to a theater. I can watch the new Transformers right now in my living room legally. Why should anyone bother with the theater at all anymore? It's not the content, it's the convenience.
>I disagree.The world changed after covid. Same day streaming is a huge factor.
Most movies don't do same day streaming and haven't since like 2021.
You're right insofar as streaming is a big factor, since streaming allows access to media from outside of the American sphere of influence, but there are still movies that people go to see in the theaters, such as Top Gun 2, Avatar 2, and Mario.
And ironically, the reason the new Transformers bombed is because it did HORRIBLY internationally, largely because it did poorly in China, where they've been weening themselves off of American media for the last half-decade.
The new Transformers movie opened lower than fricking anime movies like Suzume and Final Slam Dunk in China, and Elemental did worse than a theatrical re-release of Castle in the Sky. That should be a dire sign for American studios.
It seems like the world is changing rapidly when you’re young, but it really isn’t. Humans have been the same for hundreds of thousands of years. This stuff we are going through now will pass like everything else. And arguably, in the rest of the world, it never even got started.
California doesn't represent the rest of the world
Though they try very, very hard to mold the world into their sad, pathetic existence.
You're just jealous that California holds a monopoly on movies and is the default representative of America on the international scale. Whatever shitty state you live in will never represent America like we do. Deal with it homosexual.
And when everything goes belly up, we know who to blame then. Part of having power means being responsible.
Kicking out all the problematic evil chuds means you can't blame them when all eyes are on YOUR frickups. Like tge Titanic submarine.
I think the best example is Indiana Jones. Nobody went to see it because Lucas Film destroyed its reputation making movies were women are mary sues and men are pathetic or evil. Everyone was expecting Indiana Jones to be the movie it is, a movie were the bait and switch were the hero is a pathetic loser that needs to be replaced by the annoying b***h that is better than him at everything. But lefties want to pretend that normies don't recognize pattern or that they don't exist
Have you seen the prices on food? Everything is jacked up and people don't want to waste money on something that they MIGHT enjoy or that just looks OKAY.
This is why I pirate everything, and if I genuinely enjoyed it, THEN I give over my money.
NO CUTE GIRLS BEING AND STAYING BEST FRIENDS
NO BUY
>Charlie
Kys you basic b***h roastie
138065834
takes one to know one
>he admits hes a moron
Nice self own but moron by definition have no clear grasp on reality
I don't go outside. I also live in a village. I use ad blockers, and do not use social media or read the news. How does Hollywood market to me without Cinemaphile shills?
It's my fault. Sorry.
Does critkal post here? Now we just had a thread major about this on the kraken movie(still up) and lo and behold he makes a video on this exact topic. Seems like a huge coincidence if you ask me
Well our penis-licking moderation team has done absolutely everything they could to make them feel welcome here, so it would make perfect sense.
>even marvel capeshit has flopped
World is healing I guess
Marvel has been losing steam ever since Endgame. It is nowhere near as profitable as before and the fad will probably be completely dead within the next five years
>Disney buys something
>it dies
They're like the EA of the film industry.
Or they kill it like what they did to BlueSky
>Marvel has been losing steam ever since Endgame.
Their films have overall made more money than the pre-Endgame phases. GOTG 3 is also the 2nd highest grossing film of the year. You don't know what you're talking about.
Dr. Strange 2, GotG3 and Spider-man 3 all did well, the biggest problems are right now, the movies are literal whos that won't get the general audience attention, and since it's guaranteed to be on Disney+ before the next movie, if you don't care about it, any set up for the next movie can be watched comfortably from home. I expect Deadpool 3 will be the next big thing they have that puts butts in seats, because no one really cares about the Marvels. The first one really only did well because it had Fury, Coulson, and was in between Infinity War and Endgame, and we had to know what Fury's Trump card he summoned in the post credit of Infinity War was.
>all these newbies
Charlie is Cinemaphile approved, lurk more
Charlie is reddit and you have to go back there.
Just cause femcels like his none threatening demeanor doesn’t mean he’s Cinemaphile approved. He’d cry and make a sympathy vid if someone yelled at him and you know it.
he was but waaaay back, you can find it on old threads praising him pre-facereveal
>pre-facereveal
what did he do before face reveal? just talk in the background?
Yeah pretty much he had a logo.
no he isn't you gay c**t frick off and never return
>no he isn't you gay c**t frick off and never return
Maybe back in his "gameplay and commentary" days, but definitely not now
Movie was boring.
Still want to suck on Ruby's butthole, though.
Besides some of the movies released being full of controversy, leaked or just being mediocre, people forget people are more tight on money this year, so they might choose in what to spend that money better, why waste my money in couple of movies that just seems plane bad
tiktok
Every movie is about trans lesban black people in some way except for mario that was just mario. No one wants to see that.
Plus people are lying about making "430k a year" and are actually broke.
Plus 63% of men 18-35 are single and have no reason to go to the movies without a gf.
Everything that has destroyed society, has destroyed the people destroying society.
>Every movie is about trans lesban black people
Not even 10% is that.
>the gay mermaid
All the shit that is weird and was a no-no in the 1990s is still a no-no, it's just weird freaks pushed their way into creative spaces and gatekeep normal people.
>Gay people weren’t in creative spaces until the year 2023. FACT!!!
You people really don’t know jackshit about anything, do you. You just make shit up to be mad about
they suck
>Cinemaphile despite being a massive shithole still has jannies with the common courtesy to delete blatant e-celeb shill threads in a timely manner.
No one cares about the eceleb in the op though.
Cinemaphile had ACK threads every day consistently for like 9 months. No board is worse at moderation
>make horrible movie with horrible looking characters
>yet another "redhead mermaid bad"
>people are tired of shit CGI
The animation Industry is antimeritocratic and so movies failing one after another is a predictable result. People don't just want to see animated movies, they want to see good animated movies
So, you're saying there's still hope for Star Wars?
Unfortunately even rise of skywalker was a box office hit They will credit the film's success to themselves, so unfortunately for fans they will only consoom shitty goyslop forever
>woke
This word means absolutely nothing and if I asked you morons for a definition I'd get 100 different answers.
Woke = cringe
Ohhh, now I get it.
/misc/ is cringe, so that means /misc/ is woke! All of Cinemaphile is woke!!!!
Based on how they're both used, yea, basically.
Woke is just the right wing version of cringe.
And now that you know you can stop whining about it.
Because we are in a recession and people are poor.
Most people only pick one or two movies to see. Especially because Movie theaters are expensive.
There are very few "must watch" movies. People will go for the visual spectacle of Avatar, only A-tier Marvel brings everybody out, and hundreds of millions of ravenous fanboys had been waiting over three decades for a decent Mario flick. Any big-budget movie needs to have a pre-established fanbase to have a chance, and the movie better have an exceptional hook like a big visual spectacle or return of popular characters make more than breaking even.
Did he screen woke for 10 minutes?
Mario united three of the biggest spenders ever
>parents buying shit for their kids
>loser manchildren
>furries
There was no way it could fail
People love bringing up movies being woke as the reason but the Mario movie made him a loser man child that needed a princess to help him be something, and that's the second highest grossing animated movie as of now
Yeah fricking this and TikTok is fricking huge and it's "woke" as frick or whatever.
Cinemaphile is desperate to push some bizarre narrative but Elemental and this squid girl movie, it would never even occur to me that they're "woke," they look generic as frick. The DCU films flopping don't look woke the the average person or anything either.
Mario doesn't seem conservative at all and Spiderman with Miles that did okay does actually seem woke. It seems like either a total crapshoot or even a slight advantage or kind of obligatory to be a little woke whether it's Miles or just Girlboss Peach because that's just the market.
But movies in theaters? Are just tanking in general a lot post-covid.
Next level cope Cinemaphile.
>TikTok is fricking huge and it's "woke" as frick or whatever.
TikTok is only woke in the west, which is, again, because westerners (ie. white people) are woke.
Fine but it means you can sell a product that's "woke" or whatever you want to call it in some places. Like when they have a few gay scenes they can cut for overseas.
Either way, the only movie that actually might have been hurt by "woke" thing (since most of these flops just look generic) is The Little Mermaid because of overseas racism and shit. The other movies just look generic. Either they aren't brand names or their IPs just weren't enough, and cinema in general is shitty now that everyone can watch any movies on their fricking phone. What's the point of theaters anymore?
>Either way, the only movie that actually might have been hurt by "woke" thing (since most of these flops just look generic) is The Little Mermaid because of overseas racism and shit.
And the new Transformers.
And every Marvel/Disney/Pixar movie that was banned in China.
And Indiana Jones.
American movies are dying because the international box office is dying, because you only want to appeal to white Californians and their house pet hyphenated minorities.
That's bullshit though. Moat of these movies look like generic ass crap and if you're not a terminally online /misc/tard you have no goddamn idea they have "woke" content and a frickton of these flops don't even have any, they're just generic shit. Meanwhile tons of entertainment is suffering because of oversaturation, there are just so many options now, and going to a theater is a shit option for most movies anyway. All over the world everyone has a damn smartphone even in poverty in a lot of places and it's usually both cheaper and more convenient. Covid just helped speed it up.
>and if you're not a terminally online /misc/tard you have no goddamn idea they have "woke" content
Stopped reading there.
I know white people like to imagine that everyone else on the planet is some kind of moronic luddite, but believe it or not, the internet is worldwide.
Anyone can see some piece of shit Hollywood garbage and see the content it has before release, which is why they don't go watch it.
didn't spiderverse have both Black folk and trannies?
Only half of that. The other half is headcanon twatter becaue of the trans flag.
wait what, so the troony flag is ok as long as there aren't any actual trannies? when did this happen. people are fine with the troony flag now i guess
why does the same not apply to the movies that failed
>why does the same not apply to the movies that failed
It does.
Are you moronic?
Have you not been paying attention to what the argument is?
American movies flop more in part because they're doing worse internationally than they used to do.
But spiderverse didn't flop. What was different about it?
It didn't have a frickhuge budget and thus could get away with relying entirely on white western audiences and Americans.
I get that but it made 600 million. Did the other movies make anything close to that?
No because the other movies flopped.
Are you a bot or something or do you just have dementia?
I understand what you're saying, but im asking you why spiderverse made more money.
>but the budget
Im not talking about the net, im talking about the gross. This has nothing to do with budgets. Why did spiderverse gross more? What made it different?
>but im asking you why spiderverse made more money.
Because it appeals more to white westerners and Americans, which is where it made almost all of its money.
In comparison, Fast X appeals more to easterners, but since the east is slowly weening itself off of American media since it's become so gay and stupid, Fast X flopped internationally, despite making more money than Spiderverse, thanks to the much larger budget.
It's the sequel to an award-winning movie that people were excited for and received good reviews.
Ok so it has nothing to do with woke or Black folk or trannies or whatever.
Despite what this board says, no. The vast majority of movie-goers do not care about that stuff.
To a point. Insulting them for not watching your movie isn't going to get them to watch.
You might want to look at where most of Spiderverse's money is coming from.
Hint: Most of it is from white countries and America.
>le entire world hates “woke”, never mind that nobody can even agree whatever it even means
Sure, buddy
projection, woketard
Indiana Jones failed because the actor is a walking corpse
And his "sidekick" is repellent.
Does Disney or LucasFilm realize how hypocritical it is for a character to be shouting anti-capitalist phrases in a movie?
The entire franchise is a walking corpse.
How is the new Indy woke? Because there’s a younger female sidekick? If that’s your idea of wokeness that ruins the movie automatically you’re a fricking idiot.
If you're going to bait, at least be funny and good at it.
Chances are, that poster thinks all female characters should be just like her, as those types should be the defacto standard.
Either that, or they didn't watch the mpvie.
Maybe stop making shitty movies that have 800 gorrilion dollar budgets?
Only woke movies are flopping
uhhhh spider man
Not woke
I really love this pic no matter you're /misc/tard or what
Me too! Save it, it's all yours my friend
>one of the main characters is an anarchist who hates his Prime Minister and fascists
>not woke
The things you can do with streamed movies don't work with theater movies.
don't care how a movie does. if i like it i like it, if i hate it i hate it.
The inferiority complex of the gentile is truly embarassing, I apologize on our behalf to our semitic betters.
You'll never be "one of them". They will never accept you, no matter much your shine their boots and snip of your little prick.
Look man, they're literally God's chosen. Jesus was clear when he said that the nations that would bless Israel would be blessed in return.
I don't know about you, but I want America to be blessed by God, not cursed by him. Why do you think the west is going through so much chaos? It's because of the rise in antisemitism that God is turning his back on us.
Anon, your meds are wearing off. Calm down, bro. If you keep kissing ass, your mouth will fuse with their anus.
>Stop going to theaters because of covid.
>Realize the theater experience as a whole kind of sucked and wasn't really something to be missed anyways now that I have my own place with a more comfortable set-up for watching shit anyways.
>Pretty much only go out to see movies if It's one I really want to see as soon as possible, and even then it's a compromise for convenience and comfort in exchange for urgency.
I am perfectly okay with just waiting a little bit to watch even good movies, if It means I can enjoy them more on first viewing.
Yeah just gonna wait for Monke&Dinosaur vs Other Monke
>Anything except politics, industry consolidation, and the decline of writing quality is mentioned
Really makes you think.
Business 101. Never admit or apologise for your mistakes. To do so means you have officially given up.
To be fair, it's also because angry customers don't want an apology. They want results.
The U.S. might learn the hard way what happens when your entire economy is a rug pull pretty soon. Mana Talent Group probably depends on ESG money.
Kinoplex:
>15 dollars per movie ticket
>10 dollar popcorn minimum
>Have to drive there
>No captions
>No pauses
>Forced to stay silent
>Can be bought at Redbox for 2 dollars within a month
>Csn be streamed in 2 months
Paramount Plus
>15 dollars month for Infinite recent movies
>Kinoplex movies arrive after 2 months afters
>Captions
>Can pause movies
>Loud as I want
It's only worth going to the cinema for IMAX.
Why did GodSlap flop?
People have bad movie fatigue
Stop making bad movies and people will pay money to watch them
It's not fricking rocket science
>Hollywood implosion
It may never come, unfortunately.
in the case of ruby gillman, when i went to see spiderverse, the trailer that showed for it just told me everything about the fricking movie. why would i watch a movie where i already know what happens in it? you've condensed the experience for me within a few minutes, and it was lackluster and cliche.
trailor editors nowadays need to have some fricking self control
It isn't that I saw everything, it's that what I saw didn't make me want to see more
If the movie was hours of cute characters being cute, I'd love it. I'd watch that movie. But it's a boring romcom with annoying characters where the main two characters just have cute designs. I don't want to spend two hours on that
>romcom
It’s not
Skill issue
everyone is too busy watching skibidi toilet and grimace shake tik toks
>Why is every movie flopping?
Too much propaganda, not enough entertainment
define propaganda moron
It's because every fricking movie is at least 2h30m long with no intermission and no one wants to fricking hold in their piss for an hour
Because you touch yourself at night
Are there any actual lefties/progressives here that actually like these movies or is it all juat larping trolls? How can you stand these? Do you really like these media which are anti non progressives that much that all straights and whites should die?
In b4 "yes, suck it chuds, trans rights are human rights etc etc" which just means it's all just trolls.
My reaso/n/s for movies are flopping
>having to drive everywhere in North America with a car disincentives taking chances, meaning more riskier movies are less likely to succeed
>when you're at the movie theater, everything is expensive, especially compared to home where it's cheaper, healthier, comfier, and better
>watching movies with others is no longer fun. watch MJ's Thriller for an example on how people used to act when watching a movie. nowadays, if you acted like that, you'd get kicked out. you're just expected to consume product
>but despite that, being rude in the movie theater is easier and lamer than ever. people pulling out their bright phones, talking about nothing interesting, making a large mess. none of these make the experience more interesting, it's just "people" being lazy
>also the movies shown aren't worth seeing in the first place, let alone going to the movie theater
Having worked in two, separate movie theaters in the span of 10 years, I have lost all interest in ever going back to the movie theater and watching my stuff at home is far better. However, if I were to provide a solution, it'd mainly focused around American infrastructure. Make movie theaters accessible through other means of travel (walking, biking, train) so people have more of a drive to go to the movie theater at anytime. The best movie theaters I've ever gone to were in city blocks and part of the city's culture themselves.
tl;dr American infrastructure ruins everything it touches
Hispanic Here, back when I used to live in Bogota it was common for me and my family to go to the movies every week.
I prefer animated movies, but nothing has appealed to me. I have no faith in modern Pixar after TS4. I have no faith in DreamWorks after Shrek 3. Everything else is either boring, uninteresting, or Mario. Also I hate capeshit.
So yeah I have no reason to pay for these movies.
'Box-office Cinema' is rightfully dead, sure there's some super-marketable stuff that still makes money out there, but it won't last forever. Hollywood ran over all the trends before it, Superheroes are like two summers from being flops, mark my words.
I'd say streaming is the future but in general I think quality entertainment is dying. People have such low attention span these days that they'd rather spend 2 hours watching tiktoks from moronic human beings than movies of practically any quality.
>People have such low attention span these days
It has nothing to do with this and everything to do with the fact that there are so many places to consume entertainment from now that 99.99% of it flies past people and the only ones most people are aware of these days are the giant tent pole shit with insane marketing campaigns and not everyone is interested in seeing that kind of stuff.
A lot of people don’t go to the movies when they can just wait till it’s on streaming. A lot of shows never get any real marketing so unless someone tells you about it you would never even know it exists, same applies to movies where smaller budget ones get no promotion.
Piss poor marketing, THATS IT
Just look at Elemental and Ruby Gillman when compared to Mario Movie.
Yes Mario is already a popular character but that film had crazy amounts of promotions, teasers, sneak peeks, online events, you name it, all to sell this movies. Ruby Gillman, Indiana Jones, Little Mermaid, and Elemental had none of that.
Also I would argue some people are getting sick of the Disney remakes, while you have zoomers who don’t even know who Indiana Jones is. Indiana Jones just doesn’t have that staying power that Star Wars did
Indiana Jones had lots of advertisement though.
Zoomers still dgaf about Indy while the ones who do still remembered that Crystal Skull sucked hard.
I watched Indy back in the day and it was just mediocre for me, The Mummy movies of all things left a better impression.
It feels good to not give a shit about shitty remakes like this and He-Man because I didn't even like them the first time around. Except the Frank Langella movie and the Injustice crossover, which are frankly in a league of their own.
>Yes Mario is already a popular character but
No buts.
It is a multi-part answer.
Covid
>don't go to theaters for a 2-3 years
>don't cluster together and socially distance
>no wait, come back and do that again with a mix of completely unvaxxed/super vaxxed people with 4+ shots
Video Games
>the true entertainment of Covid
>immerse yourself in big worlds and you decide what happens
Streaming
>sit at home comfy and watch everything you want on a big screen or personal home theater for cheap
ESG scores/racial themes over story
>why is no one watching our story about a black latinx who is handicapped and racemixing?
Just bad movies
>TERRIBLE sequels like Indiana Jones, Lightyear, Toy Story 3 everything nu-Star Wars destroying previously good reputations
>Disney soulless remakes, Disney soulless remakes, Disney soulless remakes destroying classics reputation
>New IPs are limp like Ruby and have political agendas to push that sink them on day 1, such as Strange World
This perfect combination has just destroyed movies for the time being. It might take a decade to fix.
For capeshit like the Flash and Quantumania, I think people are also realizing how formulaic these movies are and are becoming boring now. The MCU used to keep people engaged because of the overarching story linking all the movies but when people don't give a shit about that they notice how all MCU movies are the same and without that "Endgame" sort of hype to keep them interested, they just don't care. The DCU is just a mess at this point and WB/Zaslav is just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks now and so far nothing has.
>ESG
opinion discarded
>pay 25 bucks for muh meme Imax seating as well as 2-3 commercials for shit I wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole, 30 bucks for snacks and 100 bucks for parking
>OR stay in my comfy bed with the lights out, the speakers up, a cup of tea and my laptop blasting Sloppy No-Effort Sequel #14 at my sleepy face
You want to know the real reason, OP? It's because the pirate sites got gud.
Because movies are garbage and people know it
Movies are more expensive than ever to go see, especially as an event, but you know that 9/10 in theaters are mediocre at best. Why would I spend 30 bucks for 90 minutes of being unentertained, at best, instead of just pirating it in 2 months if I still care to see it?
Going to the cinema you can't
>pet your dog
>immediately switch to a better movie if the current one doesn't live up to your expectations
>play a vidya at the same time
>eat or drink something not overcharged by the refreshment stand
>avoid that one annoying friend that physically can't shut up about spoilers because you all chipped in to sea it together
>wear whatever you want, or nothing at all if you want
>shitpost on Cinemaphile/Twitter/plebbit without being glared at
There's absolutely NO reason to haul your ass out to the cinema with a bunch of other jackasses in the darkness unless you know for a fact you're going to be blown away by the experience. Even if you can't find a good camrip on the day of release, it's LITERALLY better value for the money you spend (your internet subscription and your one-time laptop purchase) to stay in your comfy room instead
How do the Japs do it? How do they make movies that are basically just higher budget episodes of an anime series (One Piece, Dragonball, Demon Slayer) and they can still get more people to give a shit than Hollywood sinking billions into a 3D animated kids movie or a superhero flick?
Because cartoons are mainstream entertainment for people in Japan. They are not in the west
slave wages makes the “profits” look better
But the western animation industry treats it's workers just as bad if we are to believe Spider-verse claims and the shitshow with Marvel and most even outsource now, so why can't western animated movies make just as much money?
Name me an Animu film that has even broken 200 million ever since DS’s once in a lifetime run (especially in Japan)
One Piece Film: Red
>again most of the profits are from Japan
You literally just asked to name an anime film that broke 200 million, I gave you one so ofcourse now you split hairs with "Uhh but actually uhhh technically uhhh"
name another than
Nah Black person, you're just moving the goal post now. Also the One Piece movie when converting it's earnings in Japan alone was around 130 million US which means the other 100 million came from overseas and the film's total was 246 million so that means the split is pretty even which makes your previous "mostly in Japan" claim bullshit as well.
>can’t name another cause there isn’t another
>was proven wrong in the first place so now has to find some other example
>still can’t name another
This era of American media in general is excessively bland and is rampant with corporate greed. Productions are generally overly safe, usually relying on established IPs to do the heavy lifting of getting eyes on them or are devoid of originality as to not put off anyone. It doesn't help that American companies want gazillions of dollars, so every single product has a target audience of every single person on Earth, which is fricking impossible to do since we as people have differing tastes and values.
I don't care what particular reason people have for not seeing a movie, I'm just glad they are being more discerning about which companies they support. No one owes these companies anything, least of which their allegiance.
God penguin0 is so fricking bland
When it comes to wokeness in our movies, what do you think of wokespotting? As someone said:
"Wokespotting is laser-focused, bad-faith interpretation. It's the art of combing through a work to find individual details which can be contorted into support for your own foregone conclusion. At its most basic, it's really just a game of recognising objects: man, woman, family, government, dress, gun and the positioning of those objects: woman defeats man, family dominates man, woman rejects dress, government dominates man in a way that can be read, however flimsily, as pushing that nebulous woke agenda. Importantly, how the story frames these objects and positions is largely unimportant if it happens to line up with the anti-woke narrative, great, but if not, it doesn't matter all the wokespotting game requires is that those positioned objects be there in some capacity. The already established anti-woke mythology does the rest, does the heavy lifting, substitutes in for framing."
How convinient. Something created so that no one is allowed to complain about movies like Ghostbusters 2016, Dark Fate , Indy jones 5 and the like.
God I fricking hate you. If you wanted us to say that we should love all female protagonists unconditionally or we're Nazis, just say that then. You're on Cinemaphile. We can't do anything about it.
See this is why you're losing.
Alright. What do you want then? What exactly is it that you want from us? You took away everything that we cared about, and now here you are gloating about it. You want mw to five up more of what I like? Why don't you just tell me to KILL MYSELF THEN?
...I take it back, THIS is why you're losing.
Also you might want to get some help, suicide isn't exactly a health response.
FRICK YOU. You took everything away from me and now you claim you want to help me?
Totally, totally rational response.
Just frick off. You won. You have media by your thumbs and I'll have nothing by the end of my lifetime. Just frick off and leave me in peace. Everything I cared about is destroyed by you fricks. And you'll never admit it while you snicker in the background wishing I'd kill myself already. Isn't this what you've always wanted?
Ok anon, first I need you to take a deep breath. What has you so riled up? It's just one type of media anon, there is plenty out there which conforms to your tastes.
The Skullgirls incident. Where they censor EVERYTHING, from skimpy outfits, to even cutscenes of kidnapping and police brutality, stuff that was vilified in the game, but removed outright because the new owners got sqeamish.
That taught me NOTHING I care about is safe.
I am not familiar with Skullgirls or that incident in particular. I doubt anime will change in the way that you fear anon, Japan is not the US and has shown extreme resilience to outside attempts at culture change. I'm sure you can get your fill of sexualitation and traditional gender roles there.
It's already started doing it.
I don't give a shit about the traditional values that much honestly. Just sick of the implications by modern media that if I don't follow 100% lockstep or like every change they propose, then I am evil and need to be sent to the gulag, preferably voluntarily. Sexualisation though is weird because the left implies that straight sex needs to be desexualised but LGBT should be sexualised more.
If you are a regressive, repressive person why are you surprised people don’t like your views?
So me liking sexy pin ups is repressive?
he must be ugly and gross
Frick off moron.
I'm normal. An normality always win in the end becasue being normal is normal.
You are just par of a fad, and like any unwanted fad (like nazism and fascism) you think you are the future and here to stay, but normality always win.
Sometimes it takes years, soemtimes decades. In the end you'll be remembered as the villain
Only Billionaires are winning. The social justice thing is entirely from the top down. It's not a culture war it's just Billionaires pushing what they want onto the population . It results in weird moronation like this
Do audiences just have goyslop fatigue from all these crappy movies now
People only goes to cinema when they know what are they expecting to see, I'm talking about sequels and reboots
Minions, Sing and the lige of pets made bank though. the duck movie is also gonna make money.
heres my theory : MCU films and the like made turned cinema more and more into an event
if theres no tik tok memes or any discourse online no one wants to be part of the "event" so to speak
also media has never been as widely and easily aviable as it is now
why go to the cinema to watch some unassuming kids film when you can just put on bluey all day on disney +? its way cheaper and will do the job of making your kids shut up just as well
kids wont go screaming to their parents to watch stuff like elemental or ruby
media as a whole has become a commodity thanks to streaming
i could literally spend the rest of my life watching a new movie each day without ever going to the cinema and the movies in cinema right now will be aviable on streaming anyways
just literally no reason to go to the cinema unless its something with an actual draw
Did Teenage Kraken really flop or is this a sensationalist headline?
To be honest I didn't know it was a dreamworks movie. I guess they could have marketed a bit better.
Another thing is it seemed very targeted towards girls, which limits your market and is why a lot of films will be a bit more unisex in its appraoch.
But this is coming from someone who doesn't know much about the film at all but just saw a trailer and thought it looked interesting enough
It's not doing too hot that's for sure. The general issues of people not going to theaters, weak advertising, and word of mouth being that the film is just alright. The film is bombing pretty hard as of now. Elemental was seeing a slight turn around so maybe Ruby might get similar treatment but they're not doing good.
well that's a shame
can't speak to the quality of the movie but it looked like something different and Dreamworks I guess would have wanted it to do quite well so a flop can't help matters. I don't want to live in a future where all film releases are straight to sub services because of risk of failure. Pixar even when they flop probably make their money back and do OK, not sure how Dreamworks will handle it.
Come to think of it, I'm struggling to recall the last big new IP that's launched from a movie which is a shame. It seems the safer route is to use what's already established but man I much prefer new material
I personally appreciate Pixar and Dreamworks trying something new even if it doesn't work out. Disney Live Action remakes actively offend me. If we're in an era of endless sequels and remakes then the new IPs also have second chances. Puss in Boots 2 was very much a surprise hit. It's not all doom and gloom.
>Disney Live Action remakes actively offend me
You and me both, I just pretend they don't exist. It works rater well.
I wouldn't say it's all doom and gloom but new IP's often don't get a chance if they bomb. Even Puss is a spin off of a hugely popular IP
I guess you're not wrong. I was actually more interested until I saw a trailer.
I mean its still a lot better then the soulless husk that is the Mario movie, loving the people screaming about how it works because it sticks to
the games and doesn't do anything different.
I've not seen the Mario movie but I thought it was supposedly pretty good? Seemed to go for the Minions audience and people love those films, which again, I've not seen kek
Its inoffensive as frick, people keep going on about how the critics got this movie wrong but they forget the biggest problem that it's just bland,
Mario is Mario he has no real character here other then he's a loser because he wants to start his own business.
The movie wants us to care about his relationship with Luigi because Mario worries he's dragging his younger brother down but we never see their relationship, frick he has a more engaging character arc with Donkey Kong.
Peach ironically enough does the best out of everyone because despite the changes she has a reason to look after the toads, they're her people and she has a responsibility to look after them.
Bowser was cool
>Its inoffensive as frick,
>it's just bland
Honestly I think for a large number of people this just works. They want to switch off and watch something light hearted and from what I gather Mario fits the bill. I never really expected it to tell a competent story or do anything really original but I imagine if i watched it, I probably wouldn't mind it at worse. I'm not really invested in Mario though
Fair but I would have liked a Spiderverse or Lego or the something akin to the upcoming Barbie movie which looks like to be not an adaptation of a toy or a character but a celebration of them, a remind of why these characters matter and why we love them.
Of course it's hard to do because Wreck it Ralph was released.
I get that. If I cared for the Mario brand, I'd probably be annoyed if the adaptation we got after so many years was a blsnd, base take that explores little of the actual characters. But I think that's also a niche audience, while the majority do just know Mario as le Italian plumber so as long as he's doing that and they reference some games, it's easy viewing.
True I just wanted to vent.
kek, nothing wrong with that anon
I haven't seen the film so can't speak that much on it, I just know people seem to have loved it
Honestly did anyone hear about this movie and say, "Yeah this is a must see."
Don't get me wrong it's doesn't look bad or worse bland but it looks okay, It looks very much like a movie that doesn't do anything new or interesting, not bad just the same.
Personally it looks more like pilot for a tv show then anything else.
>Honestly did anyone hear about this movie and say, "Yeah this is a must see."
To be fair, I haven't felt that about any film in years.
Fair.
I think that's true for alot of things, things like Encanto really took off when it came to Disney Plus
Yeah, the advert just made it look okay. It seems representitive of the alright feeling the film has in general. I have a feeling it will be alot more of a hit at home.
ESG is more important than box office, my homie.
have a nice day /misc/tard
Never been to /misc/ but I'll come to your house blow my brains all over your Funko Pops.
Go ahead, one less moron in the world plus I don’t have any
Because people don't watch movies to enjoy them anymore, everyone want to either be a critic or be told what to watch by a critic, and with social media it's easier than ever.
Also movies have shit marketing these days which is weird because again, they have easy access to social media, but they don't use it enough.
>Korean and Japanese shows consistently most popular on Netflix
>cast is never diverse, always 100% Asian
How do we stop them being chuds
only EU and USA is cucked into frick their own culture, most asian countries value their shit
Because entertainment became incestuous, effeminate and woke.
It's that simple.
Only the compulsive acritical consumer keep watching it, and while they are many and hey won't stop no matter what, the majority of them don't like it very much.
Cinema as an industry is in decline. There's a whole host of reasons for this, but in no particular order:
- there is an incredible amount of competition for eyeballs. On-demand streaming, video games etc.
- the decline of small, local cinemas / the rise of out-of-town fancy multiplexes.
- marketing fatigue
- hell is other people
All of these are pretty self-explanatory. People are spoiled for choice when it comes to entertainment. Most places lost their older local cinemas with them being replaced by larger mulitplexes which *have* to be driven to, removing spontanenous visits / making a trip to the cinema something which requires much more planning. We are bombarded with marketing for any new films. It isn't just a trailer and a poster any more, we get multiple trailers, teasers for the trailer, interviews, people leaking spoilers, by the time the film comes out people just don't care as all the excitement has been squeezed out of them. Then if you do go, you have to put up with buttholes who seem to go out of their way to ruin the experience for everyone else.
I watched it and I like it. Still better than Elements, my only issue is it was clearly a spoof of Little mermaid and no one cared of little mermaid.
>it was clearly a spoof of Little mermaid
I wonder if they'd have had more success marketing it as that
I guess another problem with spoofs is they work far better if you lean in and make the whole thing a comedy and I don't know if Kraken is
I'm not sure, if anything being a riff on The Little Mermaid made me want to engage with Ruby less. I think Ruby as a character has a solid identity, they should just expore her more if they Dreamworks goes forward with any other Ruby Gillman projects.
>if anything being a riff on The Little Mermaid made me want to engage with Ruby less
I've not seen it, but if their intention was to just riff on Little Mermaid, surely they should have been a bit more clear about it to possibly strum up interest? I feel lik eif you're doing parody you have to lean into it, going halfway and you get the worst of both worlds, where you're not as good as the original, but also not bringing enough new to the table to stand in your own right.
Another thing is maybe a Kraken was the wrong choice, I'm not sure how popular they are with kids
I haven't seen the movie but is it even really that, to me the mermaid seems more like a rich girl joke than the little mermaid.
See it seems more like they wanted to make a teenage superhero story, they went with the obvious choice and made the villains the popular mean girl, only deciding to make her a red head because they why not take the famous mermaid and use her.
Oh, you could be right. I don't know much about it, was just going off the other anons post but maybe I misinterpreted
>I haven't seen the movie but is it even really that, to me the mermaid seems more like a rich girl joke than the little mermaid.
Nah, sure is a rich girl joke, but Ariel IS a rich girl, she is daughter of Triton and still part of undersea nobility. The movie plays with little mermaid elements a lot, my bet is this project was greenlighted just because of Little mermaid live action.
Because they're shit.
Theatres cost a lot of money, I'm not wasting my hard earned cash on shit that stinks a mile away like Harrison Ford belongs in a museum, shark tale 2 and child rapist goes fast in bad cg land.
>Twitter gets rate limits
>Screencap threads just transition to attention seeking youtubers
Truly awesome, thanks guys for your incredible solutions in these trying times
I am tired of speculating why other people did not see it. I will just tell you why I did not see it.
>Ariel gets blacked AND turned into a villain the same fricking year
Why? What did she ever do to anyone?
>black male racemix romance again
Black males are never going to be shown to be with black women again, huh? They even paired him with some fish woman wtf. It's going blacks x interspecies now.
>gross art style
It's very CalArts, beanmouth, just longer limbs with big dopey hands and tiny heads. The black male character almost looked like a racist caricature.
>dumb idea for a movie from the start
Set up for failure by going against cute mermaids and trying to make them evil. No little girl is going to get on board with that. And perhaps most importantly...
>Katzenberg
I can't go see it because his decades old hate against The Little Mermaid is cringe and childish. I will literally pirate it to make that motherfricker seethe a whole extra decade because his baby bombed at the box office.
> blacks x interspecies now.
Based frick white women, gimme some monster girls.
We really do need more mainstream monster girls. Ruby is a step in the right direction.
>Monster lover
>Dee Jay reaction pic
Based Nig.
Mermaids were always evil b***hes that drowned men by flashing their breasts and singing.
That is exactly why it failed. It's too close to accurate. What mom wants to take her kid to see sirens when she can just pop in the old Little Mermaid?
Yeah. Evil mermaids are only a subversion in the context of Disney's Littke Mermaid. Otherwise, evil mermaids are stock. Hell, Disney's Aladdin had an evil mermaid.
>Disney's Aladdin had an evil mermaid.
Djinns are evil creatures that play with humans to gain liberty in exchange for freedom. Even the original tale have this.
Disney making evil creatures the good ones since forever.
Stop making shit movies.
Woke, blackwashed, muh feminism, letters people crap films on top of the scamdemic showing cinema to be a completely outdated rip off.
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