The metaphor is heavy-handed and obvious and the characters are annoying stand-ins for the director's personal baggage.
Still wanna frick Ember, though.
Haven’t seen the movie but couldn’t all of the elements can kill one another? Water would kill fire, earth could smother fire, air can blow out fire, water could break apart earth, etc.
Isn’t the idea that the fire people are unfairly looked down upon because all of them are dangerous?
Nope. Chinese. The director is Chinese and bluntly said in a interview that Ember's parents and struggles were based on his parents' struggles. There's even a little fire town in the city where her dad strictly cooks traditional fire people food that no one else eats. Hunks of wood.
That is the least imaginative shit I've ever fricking seen. Why are they on a normal wooden ship?!
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They are shown to eat wood and other fuels as sustenance. So worse come to worst they can eat small bits of the ship to survive if they are starving out at sea.
Didn't see the movie but I saw in one of the trailers that a water guy sneezing onto an earth guy just caused him to grow grass "hair" where the water hit him, so I kinda doubt they'd have issues with water people hurting earth people on accident.
In all those other cases, a fire person is always involved. This is barely a racism allegory because the other three races all seem to get along perfectly well except for the fire people, who just genuinely cannot coexist with the other three without some magical non-racist love bullshit.
Why yes. That's the reason why every time I wish for a cup of tea, I don't just boil the water in the kettle. Instead, I ask my black or asian friend to do it for me - because only wishful thinking defines the social friction, and most importantly - I'm still not racist. Not one bit.
Yes.
Racist people really are too stupid to take fiction realistically. I thought you said trannies couldn't tell the difference between fiction and reality?
Should’ve been an animal metaphor. Elements are too grounded for me. In the whole film you see fire people burning shit they don’t mean to, holding flammable objects without setting it aflame, hurting others while touching, and not hurting others while touching (once theyre not racist).
That and the sports scene shows that clouds can cause storms due to anger like how fires can cause blazes from anger. The logic was a failure from the start and the creators couldn’t set decent rules.
Maybe if the film was funny or enthralling enough to distract from these problems, but it isn’t.
Why yes. That's the reason why every time I wish for a cup of tea, I don't just boil the water in the kettle. Instead, I ask my black or asian friend to do it for me - because only wishful thinking defines the social friction, and most importantly - I'm still not racist. Not one bit.
Difference is her head doesn't cave in just from touching him, caving in her skull is his decision and is a result of his own agency as an autonomous individual
This is all allegories for racism in genre fiction. >why would you be worried about werewolves/robots/mutants/vampires/wizards/aliens/zombies? yes they are designed to be able to break the laws of physics to kill people and routinely do so on a whim and by accident, but are you racist or something?
anti-racism is just a radicalization ideology that teaches people to scapegoat and hate white people and blame them for all the woes in the world. White people themselves are taught to feel guilty over the color of their skin they are born with. Anti-racism is one of the most racist ideologies out there. Anyone who ascribes to it is racist.
Because it's a shitty D- romantic comedy, with unlikable characters with c- designs, and tired, nonsencial stories of bigotry.
Also, the expectations that pixar ace design, and emotions is high.
They only shit this movie does well is spectacle.
Because I believe in King's Dream of equality of treatment, and that promoting concepts like POC, and saying that intersectionality needs continuous positive race frickery forever to deal with injustice of the past is RACIST AS FRICK, and the people who promote this need to be treated like the neo-jim crow frickers they are.
MLK is an overrated homosexual anyway. Shuttlesworth, now there's a Chad.
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Never heard of him, but google suggests he was important. Kind of hard to recall people who fought for something that should probably have been theirs automatically.
Anyway the allegories are pretty shallow but they're still there. Wall-E's environmentalism and anti-fat messages weren't particularly deep or realistic but they got the job done.
That's not even what King believed. He was in favor of racial quotas and equality of outcome. That whole "content of their character" spiel is not representative of his thought.
How much antiwhiteness is enough to bring justice? If we overshoot it, would white people become entitled to be racist again?
The best policy is simply to pursue equality of opportunity, trying to give non-white people advantages over white people means that loads of colored people who aren't fit for a job will be given the job anyway, thereby creating the appearance of racial incompetence, even though it was actually caused by bad hiring policies.It fosters resentment in white people, and makes white racists seem more correct than otherwise.
There's nothing ironic about it. The reason people don't like woke stuff/antiracism is because it is inherently racist, it's racism masquerading as antiracism wearing liberalism like a skin suit.
Now answer the question. Why do you think people are "in the wrong" for being born a specific race?
No wait are you trolling or really believing it?
Because no one says chud like libs used to as insult but also you're saying it as if was tiny veiled trolling
the message is bad
the male lead is obnoxious
and the jokes are the most blatant and obvious ones 5 year olds would think of when tasked to come up with element puns. And they decided to use ALL of them, every single one. Never a single veto from the director and writers against any of the jokes, that's what it feels like.
Because the literal rehash of a movie from 1967 is too woke for modern conservative sensibilities. Rehashing a 56 year old movie is pretty sad and it would be a pretty good reason to bully what used to be a pretty innovative studio, alas, the biggest problem is just that 56 year old messages have become outrageously progressive.
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I wonder if you meant to type 1957, which was I think when the original West Side Story came put?
Either way, this whole idea is indeed old as shit and the fact that people here are crying about the oldest fricking plot around show what fragile whiney b***hes the internet has turned some people into. God shut up.
I think anon was talking about "Guess who's coming for dinner" from 1967.
I wonder if you meant to type 1957, which was I think when the original West Side Story came put?
Either way, this whole idea is indeed old as shit and the fact that people here are crying about the oldest fricking plot around show what fragile whiney b***hes the internet has turned some people into. God shut up.
>ACCEPT THE PROPAGANDA OR I'LL CALL YOU NAMES
cope and seethe, im not dating outside my race
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I wonder if you meant to type 1957, which was I think when the original West Side Story came put?
Either way, this whole idea is indeed old as shit and the fact that people here are crying about the oldest fricking plot around show what fragile whiney b***hes the internet has turned some people into. God shut up.
Because the literal rehash of a movie from 1967 is too woke for modern conservative sensibilities. Rehashing a 56 year old movie is pretty sad and it would be a pretty good reason to bully what used to be a pretty innovative studio, alas, the biggest problem is just that 56 year old messages have become outrageously progressive.
race mixing was bad then and its bad now
The movie is propagandizing black x asian.
Water is black and Fire is asian.
In modern age is too racist for a white person to love, touch or look in the same direction of a brown, so they must stay away because racemixing with a white is evil and bigoted.
Ahh yes black people who are privileged dorks who don't eat hot food you got them.
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>Ahh yes black people who are privileged dorks who don't eat hot food you got them.
What exactly don't you get of blackwashing?
They're blackwashing nerd characters to erase the existence of white nerds that existed more than black nerds ever played DnD in their lives.
They're stealing stereotypes made for white men, not holding spice, because they want to steal everything from whites.
Even privileged blacks to say that without whites they would be rich and powerful
Explain how water is black without mentioning VA races
10 months ago
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>Explain how water is black without mentioning VA races
Wade doesn't have a father
10 months ago
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He literally says his father passed away in the movie. Having a dead father makes you black?
10 months ago
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HIS FATHER IS DEAAAAAAAAD
that was his trauma indulging cope
10 months ago
Anonymous
Cope homosexual, your headcanon isn't real
10 months ago
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HIS FATHER IS DEAAAAAAAAD
10 months ago
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He was made to be that way because the creator basically projected a version of his life into this movie.
10 months ago
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They literally said it's a self insert about their lives.
10 months ago
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>hmmm what should i wear to this photo shoot for a kids film >oh i know i'll put on my sexy dragon dress
10 months ago
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Ember is hot AF for every reason imaginable the whole movie, including wearing what kinda looks like a leather/chainmail short hem dress the whole movie. Sometimes with matching booties.
10 months ago
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And a matching hoodie.
10 months ago
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No wonder that shota wanted to mix elements before it was cool, even after she became engaged he just moved on to another his age.
10 months ago
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Was Clod, dare I say, /ourshota/?
10 months ago
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Actually yes, he was small enough to take a look at her pussy under the skirt
I haven't seen it, but from what I've gathered it's not nearly as bad as most other recent Pixar movies and even has some charm to it. The worst moments in the film were all put in the trailers so it was horribly marketed. You're better off just ignoring the real-world race allegory because it falls flat since the characters are literally a danger to one another simply by existing. The love story is fairly charming and the main couple are both likable. The animation is actually impressive in seeing how the elements interact.
Also the main girl is thicc as hell and shows a lot of leg.
I dunno, but thick legs and hips are way more important than big boobs. You can have the former without the latter and be sexy, you can't have the latter without the former and be sexy.
Large thighs and ass are easily achievable by every race. Even if you aren't born with it, you can just eat until you get fat. Not every one can have big boobs (without implants) so Disney and ESG want to get rid of them, because they make troons and flat chest women feel bad about themselves.
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Large thighs and ass are easily achievable by every race. Even if you aren't born with it, you can just eat until you get fat. Not every one can have big boobs (without implants) so Disney and ESG want to get rid of them, because they make troons and flat chest women feel bad about themselves.
>Large breasts are also achievable by every race
Also by every gender. I am a man and I have gigantic manboobs.
Boobs are not inclusive to troons. That's literally the reason. media and games have made women more ugly and gender neutral to appease their "reeeee!!!" fit when the female characters don't look like them.
That's a stupid fricking comparison. Neil israeliteman literally went out of his way to make his female characters unattractive. That's not the same as having thick thighs but small breasts. The latter isn't unattractive, it's been used in female character designs often in the past. Just look at Betty Boop- she was an actual sex symbol and the focus was clearly more on her legs and thighs.
There is no world in which Ember is "defeminized" in the way that the TLOU2 characters were. She is extremely curvy. Trannies do not have wide birthing hips, it's actually easier for them to get fake breasts than wide hips. Of all the problems to have with this movie, Ember's sexiness isn't one of them.
10 months ago
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>It's not that bad because the troony porn game is worse
10 months ago
Anonymous
He brought up TLOU2 first you moron. And it's not bad at all. Ember is actually attractive.
plus the somewhat horizontal head, and the position of the facial features. Don't think it's any kind of direct influence or anything but I can see some resemblance
It's so funny how feminism has advanced so much that women have become a second class citizen to transwomen in increasingly more and more facets of life. Hence the recurring question that has propped up as of late: "What is a woman?"
Nobody has to ask "What is a man?", but now women have to apply to their own sex like they were applying to a job or making a case at court. And they got feminists to thank for that.
>It's so funny how feminism has advanced so much that women have become a second class citizen to transwomen in increasingly more and more facets of life.
That's libfems, terfs are much more based
The gay agenda, children must be groomed to believe that women=men. The "QUI?" debuff women by making them sexually non-provocative by turning them into featureless humanoids under the guise of being child friendly.
Originally it was because boomer censors did see thighs as sexual and so artists could get away with character having dump truck butts. Now the animation industry is full of assgays
>it's not nearly as bad as most other recent Pixar movies
I liked more than Soul and Onward but less than Turning Red and Luca. Haven't seen Lightyear and TS4 but those probably suck
Again, I'm probably older than you and have certainly seen more animated films than you. Elemental was not a film that I had any interest in so there was no reason not to watch other people's opinions on it. I'm actually more likely to see it now than I would have been.
Nostalgia critic was around when Millennials were in highschool, you dork. If we're going to complain about young people at least keep it generation specific. Like how they need keys shaken in front of their face to keep their eyes focused on TikTok videos.
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>Nostalgia critic was around when Millennials were in highschool
This is why there needs to be a better delineation of eras. Nostalgia Critic started his channel after I had already graduated college, yet I'm technically grouped in with millennials.
I think the fundamental flaw of this movie is that it is too fricking stupid of a premise. It has a lot of the same issues as Cars does, but the difference is that Cars is a lighthearted cartoon version of Doc Hollywood while Elemental is a character and world-driven driven movie with serious themes and overtones, with a world as stupid and contrived if not more than the world of Cars.
Pedantic would be a better word, regarding the over the top racial and political themes of this movie that Ernest et Celestine did better on every level a fricking decade ago
Honestly it's pretty much the same in that the world is whimsical but the writers want you to care about the main characters' struggles. Elemental feels more dishonest though because everything about its world is contrived to the point it ruins the believability of the struggle, whereas in Cars the main characters' struggles stem from more grounded problems like racing which is shown to have more believable consequences such as glory and getting wrecked. Also in Cars the characters are pretty much only victims to their/each other's actions which shows more agency of character, whereas in Elemental characters are victims of a world that purposefully doesn't take normal people into account when developing living spaces and such, among other things.
It's because the movie is performing like shit and they are seriously that desperate to get any promotion or praise for the movie, even if it's illegal lol.
10 months ago
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They should make this a meme
10 months ago
Anonymous
They should have gotten the Russian guy from KOTH to do the advertising for this movie, probably would have performed a lot better.
>Clod
Is his name the equivalent to Black person? Clod is usually an insult cause it’s like calling someone dirt (in this case he is dirt). And I’m not just talking in the Steven Universe sense.
More like a Cinemaphile lurker, reminder that a lot of people in the industry lurk and actively post on Cinemaphile because it's the only where they can vent and not get canceled by twitter
>Obnoxious tech demo rendering project >overly stylized art direction that's shitty looking just because >intensely heavy handed racial allegory that doesn't make any fricking sense >generic trainwreck love/finding yourself/intergenerational drama/let's change all of society story >retread of Zootopia's "what if an entire city was made for all kinds of wildly different creatures" worldbuilding, but exponentially worse and dumber >appeals to zero demographics at all. Too preachy for kids. Too cliche for adults.
It should have been a short, but they made it a movie, and now they're suffering the consequences of their moronic decisions.
>overly stylized art direction that's shitty looking just because
This sounds like a buzzwordy shitpost but just today I was thinking about the movie and realized what I didn't like about it was that it was too expressive. It sounds dumb to call a cartoon that but aside from its style bordering on looking like that corporate cartoon art style, the facial expressions are just way overdoing it.
They were trying to flex in too many ways and it ends up being a stylistic overload. With most of the movie being Ember and Wade you are constantly looking at two very wiggly characters who never stop wobbling and changing shape and distorting and stretching... and it's supposed to be visually impressive, but it just make it feel overstimulating.
It's just very generic looking and just looks worse when Spider-verse just came out. Like others point out the metaphor doesn't work if you think too hard about it (though I think Turning Red and Zootopia had similar problem).
I will say Ruby Gillman is almost lucky nobody's paying attention to it - Elemental may be generic but that movie's looks straight up ugly.
Let's not kid ourselves man this site has always been the place where you can laugh at blackface and say slurs uncensored. You can only act that way long enough before those tourists catch wind of it and find their in good company.
>this site has always been the place where you can laugh at blackface
what a crime >and say slurs uncensored.
Yeah? So say the N-word in this board and lets see what happens
>The movie can't be bad if I agree with the message
Also how many "racism bad" stories do we really need? You aren't going to change the minds of those who are actually racist so why bother. Time to tell other stories.
>>The movie can't be bad if I agree with the message
I'm not saying that.
Frankly I think Pixar has like 2 good movies, 3 tops. But notice you get posts like
Because we all hate antiracism and want it to go away.
We are all tired of "WAAAAA I'm not white!" stories.
Because it's milk-toast, middle of the road homosexual shit. Pixar use to write compelling stories with deep beautiful characters, not fricking Soulless blobs that try to emulate life in modern California.
Into the trash bin of history - hopefully - along with three "creatives" that have poisoned Pixar.
>Why is everyone bullying this movie?
well according to the director, the story was based on being a korean inmigrant and being rejected
but this story can be also interpreted as >whitetoids are bad >blacks lives matter are chads
Mixing elements together makes no logical sense. Fire is extinguished by water and water is evaporated by fire. This doesn't help with their "Diversity" propaganda.
These stories with the obvious "let's all live in harmony" moral that Disney/Pixar does feels very outdated now. Like this would have been a hit a decade ago back when this story style wasn't so old and used. They have to find another strategy otherwise they're just going to make flop after flop while movies with no moral at all like Spiderverse grabs people's attention.
Yeah the problems only start when adults who have no business watching this aside from being with their kids at the theater start obsessing over it because they view everything through a political lens
It's not a bad show by any means I just don't understand why the frick somebody under the age of 65 would still have cable when they could stream anything they want from CN on Hulu.
Talking just about Wade, because just the movie showed they were already... experimenting. It's not too much in the gutter given the plucking and shota jokes. And somehow elements can generate love pheromones to each other.
God dman the mental gymnastics of these writers, man >ok so the water person made of water will make fun of her for how she talks just like whitey did to my gramgram when I was a kid >what does speech have to do with fire people? >well you see, my grams came from Korea so- >yes but the fire person- >I don't know what you're not understanding. when I was a kid and my grandma got made fun of by whitey...
And so on
Second-gen migrants still being treated like they just got there is a pretty universal issue.
Yeah the problems only start when adults who have no business watching this aside from being with their kids at the theater start obsessing over it because they view everything through a political lens
Pixar makes family films, not explicitly kids' movies like The Minions or PAW Patrol. Adults are part of the target audience, so it does have to make sense for them too.
>how is treating other human beings like they don't belong in your country an issue?
Like have you ever been in a thread and someone told you to return to reddit and it cut you really deep? It's like that but in real life.
>americans have the class consciousness of a cinderblock
That's what happens when you live in a nation where people are constantly moving in an out of classes. You tend to realize class struggle is complete bullshit held up by the government.
It’s a self insert movie, so fire is Koreans and water is black. Don’t be confused by the blue eyes and blue coloring meaning white, because I sure was. Air is white because clouds are literally white.
Cinemaphile needs to make a game where what the emotionally broken fire girl really needs is a human man who suffers racism at the hand of elementals in general.
It's actually a great movie. Mark my words, it'll be the de facto /misc/ Disney movie once they catch on. >multikulti doesn't work >forcing "elements" together causes severe strife and problems >there is not such thing as "multi-cultural". people just live in their own little enclaves anyway >water people destroy things, they don't come to buy >asian americans are whiny entitled bastards that care little about the other more established races in america >multiracial couples are looked down upon >you shouldn't have biracial children because it will not turn out right
Pixar has been in deep latrine mode for a while now when it becomes to box office because of Disney's shitty decisions during the pandemic, expensive budgets, and Illumination's Super Mario Bros taking over animation from them for at least a couple sequels.
>World populated by elemental people >Places are just regular places with a ton of fire/water thrown everywhere
why did they get so lazy? pixar was actually pretty good at building worlds that cirled around non humans, you'd think they'd go even crazier with a simpler concept and make some surreal stuff, but this is almost cars tier worldbuilding
>this is almost cars tier worldbuilding
Worse, it's Cars 2 tier worldbuilding. In Cars the cars drink oil and their lives revolve around things related to driving for the most part, 2 introduced a pope car, human food, and various other lazy thoughtless inclusions that muddied the waters. Thankfully 2 doesn't exist and 3 brought things back to basics.
Because the creators are bullying everyone for not being interested in it, or not finding it particularly deep or moving. It's another in a long line of failed nu-Pixar movies, and they know that the higher-ups are gonna start noticing the young blood is ruining the studio.
Boomer race-shaming reflex. Ember is the sexiest and sharpest dressing female character in the movie by far, even gettin a shota interested in interracial fire before it was cool.
The elements for a great movie were there. The main problem is that we don't see Amber against the idea of inhereting the store at the beggining (The part where, you know, stablishes the character) but as a sudden "Realization" that honestly came out of fricking nowhere. There were certain parts that felt forced when they could easily reached them more naturally.
The movie is not bad, but feels like a Big wasted opportunity but it was worth it since i watched it for Amber
kinda tired of everything having to be about mary sue girl bosses and weak, stupid males that only exist for sexual exploitation and to talk about how amazing women are
If you watch this movie thinking Wade is a super-elemental waterchad that the universe bends backwards to accomodate, almost every single plot-hole makes sense
>In the city hall office Ember goes full inferno and burns everything, Wade doesn't have a single scratch >Gets vaporized, comes back to life in a matter of minutes >water city-workers touched sand, got trapped in it. Wade touches sand in two different scenes, he's perfectly fine >water people boil in Ember's proximity, Wade is able to touch her just fine. It's not chemistry, Wade is just like that >Shows his true gigachad form to Ember, she reacts positively >"heh, too easy" >shapeshifts into a crying, out-of-shape blob for the rest of the movie >still gets the girl
they could have even made that a plot point. ember feels like an out-of-place freak, then she meets someone who legitmately IS an out-of-place freak. this causes her to stop being so defensive and she gains humility and compassion.
>Why is everyone bullying this movie?
It's an easy target from a big studio.
If this was some small indie project, nobody would care.
I'm beginning to think that somebody has written a review somewhere that people are starting to parrot as well, since there is a lot of talks about "the allegory" without pointing out what the allegory actually is, just saying it's "another Zooptoia."
>I'm beginning to think that somebody has written a review somewhere that people are starting to parrot as well,
Is that ever not the case? Most normies get their opinion on animated movies from youtuber reviews and probably a sizable portion of Cinemaphile does as well
Just looks dull. Another relationship based movie that is just coomer bait at the end of the day. What is the point of this movie? At least have the conflict not be interpersonal based. Use outerconflict to bring the characters together ala-zootopia.
I saw it.
Wade was cute but how they met each other and started dating felt weird. Why would you date a guy who sent citations to shut down your family’s shop? Why would you date a girl who has major anger issues and chased you throughout the whole city? Where is the classic meet-cute that sets up their chemistry? Also the race and immigration allegory fell flat because fire is incredibly dangerous to the other elements. They should have just made a cute romcom without the annoying topics that are so politicized right now.
>Why would you date a guy who sent citations to shut down your family’s shop?
I would date him specifically to get him to dismiss the citations. >Why would you date a girl who ... chased you throughout the whole city?
I shouldn't have to explain this one. >Also the race and immigration allegory fell flat because fire is incredibly dangerous to the other elements.
It was only "dangerous" because everyone else was racist.
>Yeah but dating him for that reason is dishonest.
If I was a chick I wouldn't gaf. >And it being “dangerous” because people were racist makes no sense.
True but that's how their world works.
I have
Movie is too adult for kids and too kiddy for adults. Not enough focus on the romance to be a romcom, and the element people world doesn't work for social commentary. Still it has SOVL, you can tell the director cared about this story, but after this and TGD i'm starting to think he's just not great at telling them
The elements for a great movie were there. The main problem is that we don't see Amber against the idea of inhereting the store at the beggining (The part where, you know, stablishes the character) but as a sudden "Realization" that honestly came out of fricking nowhere. There were certain parts that felt forced when they could easily reached them more naturally.
The movie is not bad, but feels like a Big wasted opportunity but it was worth it since i watched it for Amber
I did.
It was okay.
It had some really great visuals, especially the fire effects.
I like the message, but the way it was told really wasn't the best. It hurts the whole thing, which is a shame because I didn't actually "get" the message until towards the end (the Ember/Wade scene after the tree) and it was reflecting back on the whole thing that tied it all together.
Everybody asking what race each element was is missing the point.
I'll be honest, I'm beginning to forget parts of the movie already. It didn't have that much memorable, outside a few scenes.
>Everybody asking what race each element was is missing the point.
Take it back a step further, the fact that the creators racially coded each element made the point fall a little flatter.
What races were each element and how was this communicated?
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IIRC fire is korean, water is black, air is white, and I don't remember what earth was since I haven't seen the movie and I'm going off of what was posted by Cinemaphile, who has never once lied to me in the past.
10 months ago
Anonymous
earth or trees are israelites and mexicans, they do boring works that whites don't want to do and get rich or poor
10 months ago
Anonymous
>they do boring works that whites don't want to do
Can't be israelites then
10 months ago
Anonymous
being in journo working is boring
10 months ago
Anonymous
>journo work and lying to the populace is hard work
Oh, how sad. Learn to code.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Not necessary hard work but it's pretty boring, think that they still use newspapers.
Also working in banks despite getting rich is boring.
I ain’t contributing to that box office when it’s a weird message that multikulti is good and so is racemixing. You clearly don’t have to live in America.
The immigration story was actually surprisingly powerful at times, but it's completely undermined by none of the factors contributing to the fire people's general misery getting addressed. I mean, by the end the metro to and from the fire ghetto is still spraying a shitton of water down below, and the water, air and earth people proceed to quite literally gentrify the hood. That was fricking hilarious and I had a laughing fit when I saw it, but it's definitely NOT something I'd consider charming or appropiate.
The romance was alright but the way the two met was the worst way possible. Wade was a fricking butthole right out the gate and I genuinely don't understand why Ember started to fall for him at the stadium scene. The obligatory third act breakup also felt forced.
That her granddaughter betrayed her “race” (element). Surprised the father didn’t have more of a reaction to his daughter dating a water guy with his hatred of water people.
Father's reaction was softened by mother being ecstatic about how much of a fit they are.
On that note, don't you think Wayde kind of cheated? He used Ember's fire to light his stick, so technically both incenses were burned by Ember's fire.
1. Another convoluted racism/politics story for kids, both condescending while not making much logical or emotional sense.
2. IN A WORLD, only this world is poorly thought out and basically, a one to one with the real world despite how that makes little sense given they are elements (Fire city, water city, don't you think there would be SOME differences? The writers didn't.)
3. Disney is an evil media monopoly that shits out 'socially conscious' projects to disguise their incompetence with following very simple guidelines of the ESG, like not having child slaves manufacture their trash merch and polluting the land and environment with their shitty theme parks. Not to mention not having a diverse management at all despite their championing of it for everyone else. They love blacks, gays, women for thee but board rooms and top positions are strictly for white men.
>They love blacks, gays, women for thee but board rooms and top positions are strictly for white men.
on their defense white (and israelites) MEN are the only that can write good stories
With effects like that it almost makes me wish the movie had fight scenes. Of course the story would have to be different but aside from a lot of the facial expressions, the animation is pretty solid.
That's why we have anime, and anime fans making live movies like Creed 3 nowadays. The problem is Pixar know normies are used to their movies looking like a gold standard of animation, The Ruby Gillman Teenake Kraken trailer from Dreamworks looks like a solid story but it's definitely cheaper looking.
Now the Pixar well might be running dry real soon because if Elementals is not a hit, I don't see how Elio can become one.
Am I supposed to be on her side here? She's clearly in the wrong. If she doesn't want to pay attention to the game, she should leave. It's like going to a movie theater and then loudly babbling about your daily drama. It's rude as frick.
The guy's face in pic related says it all.
Am I supposed to be on her side here? She's clearly in the wrong. If she doesn't want to pay attention to the game, she should leave. It's like going to a movie theater and then loudly babbling about your daily drama. It's rude as frick.
The guy's face in pic related says it all.
Not exactly. You're supposed to recognize her character flaws.
>She's clearly in the wrong.
Her conversation concerns the fate of her family's business, it kind of takes precedence over a literal game. Even if she was being overly disruptive, which she wasn't, any point the air person might have had was undercut by her using a racial slur.
>Her conversation concerns the fate of her family's business, it kind of takes precedence over a literal game.
Nothing was stopping her from taking that conversation out of the stadium. There was also no indication the conversation was so incredibly urgent that it had to take place right then at that moment, and couldn't wait until after the game. >Even if she was being overly disruptive, which she wasn't, any point the air person might have had was undercut by her using a racial slur.
Which she then used right back. And before you retort with "WELL THE CLOUD PERSON STARTED IT SO SHE WAS JUSTIFIED", that's kindergarten behavior. Adults control themselves.
correct, which is why she should have waited until after the game
10 months ago
Anonymous
>bro just put your family's dilemma on hold
10 months ago
Anonymous
>bro just loudly babble about your drama in public despite the fact that nothing is keeping you from walking out or discussing it later
It's not like they can do anything about it during the game, moron.
10 months ago
Anonymous
You can still discuss something before you do something about it. In fact planning things out before acting is generally a good idea.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yes but you're acting like it's a major emergency that absolutely needs to be discussed there and then, when it in fact does not. On the contrary, as evidenced by what happens, they would have been better served going elsewhere. By either leaving or waiting.
10 months ago
Anonymous
It does need to be discussed immediately, it threatens her family's livelihood and requires immediate attention.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>requires immediate attention
In that case they should leave the game and go deal with it.
In your opinion, what is stupider: fire people going to live in a place with water everywhere that isn't accommodating to fire people in the slightest or normal people living out in the desert away from where all the food in the world is?
The original races should've been Fire, Water, Earth and Air and the immigrants should've been Metal and Wood.
Fire people should've been an integral part of Four Element society, heating the airships to control their height, keeping pipes from freezing during the winter, helping the Earth people build pottery and houses, etc.
The Water and Air people are involved in transport along with a wide number of niche professions. Also the Air people should've been Air and not clouds, it's a fricking cartoon just make the Air people visible.
The Earth people had a monopoly on construction along with stuff like pottery. At least until the Metal people showed up and started taking their jobs. That would've been one of the main conflicts, Metal people are taking the role of Earth people in society and the Earth people feel like they're left behind.
On the flipside the Wood people are basically stuck growing food for the Fire people and they're tired of being stereotyped as poor ignorant farmers, but it's hard for them to move onto other jobs because they haven't found anything else they're good at.
>That would've been one of the main conflicts, Metal people are taking the role of Earth people in society and the Earth people feel like they're left behind.
Hits too close to home...
>That would've been one of the main conflicts, Metal people are taking the role of Earth people in society and the Earth people feel like they're left behind.
Hits too close to home...
And the conflict is about the farmers needing to frick the metals and make hybrid technonature kids right
But while I wasn't into the current Titanic submarine coverage, I found funny how Wade and his loud boss endangered Ember's life by taking her underwater for a wish fulfillment, in what it's clear was the first time they did anything like it. Bravo Pixar?
Really obvious metaphor that's already been done to death. Also just seems lazy in general. Everyone is made of a fricking element and they live in....a town. Not a town where elements would live just a town. Snore.
Because not only is it yet another repeat of the tired romeo and juliet bullshit, but it's also a paper thin piece of propaganda. Like, it doesn't even try and hide it. >ELEMENTS DON'T MIX
gee fricking whiz I wonder what that could be allegory for
It's not just this movie. We've really been seeing a trend of "media bullying" these past few years. People rag on the generic corporate capshit like they always do, but recently, backlash to everything has felt different. It's like everyone's angry all of a sudden and throwing themselves at the lowest hanging fruit.
I don't know how we got here, I don't know how we get out, but what I do know is that it really sucks.
I remember a while ago there was an anon who made a giant schizopost about how financial incentives being algorithmically run, those algorithms affecting art creation, and the adoption of brand religion marketing would trickle down into capital F Fanatic fans having legitimate violent breakdowns towards artists.
At the time I just kind of brushed it off as cringe creative writing, but now I'm really not sure. Sometimes I think about a line from that schizopost, "people think the world will end like terminator, but it'll end like the Shining, with everyone being driven crazy by something they can't understand" or something to that effect. Scares the shit out of me.
Yeah, schizoposting can be silly but sometimes you'll find a grain of truth in it.
I think there's a fair bit of sensationalism being tied up in reviews, box office numbers, that sort of thing. Everything has to be the best thing ever now, and if it's not, then it's the worst thing ever. And once a narrative is set in stone, everyone who goes against it. So everything gets tied up into culture war/conspiracy bullshit, and it's fricking exhausting.
Like, they spun a "woke/not woke" culture war narrative about a fricking SUPER MARIO movie. They turned the PiB Last Wish "panic attack" scene from one of its more celebrated moments to one of its most derided. And god forbid you're an indie creator, you don't have billions of dollars to blind you from criticism, that shit's up in your face all day.
Of course I forgot to finish a sentence. God dammit. >And once a narrative is set in stone, everyone who goes against it is treated like a contrarian desperate for attention and stripped of their legitimacy.
>hey spun a "woke/not woke" culture war narrative about a fricking SUPER MARIO movie.
I noticed that. It came out of left field and flooded Cinemaphile threads for days.
It is woke. It's annoying how Mario/Peach/Luigi were handled and awkward they made Peach a girlboss when she didn't need to be that way. >don't make fun of the panic attack scene
It's so funny, though. Panic attack is such a modern concept. You guys are delicate. >if you're indie it's in your face all day
If it's deserved, it's deserved. Don't put out stupid slop, especially political slop, or talk shit on Twitter. Especially towards you fans. It's just karma and these crybabies like this poster want to talk trash about their audience but also get their money and get angry when people have opinions and don't just reflect every single opinion they possess. It's just the California mindset of me me me me.
It's because people are starting to see the patterns, and it pisses them off. They may not be aware of Blackrock and ESG and all that shit, but they do know that these media companies are trying to force feed them a message.
They bullied the fans first always. Especially racially. We didn't forget the past 10+ years of racebaiting. Even with Elemental, they can't take personal responsibility and understand why it's hated. They never self-evaluate ever. They say things like >animation fatigue >new IP fatigue >old IP fatigue >it's the summer so people are busy >too much animation in theaters
Always an excuse. Always, always an excuse. They will be bankrupt and go "Well we just timed the release wrong." Not acknowledgement for slop, no acknowledgement for bad writing, no acknowledgement of terrible politics, no acknowledgement, most of all, of subversion.
Out of the predictable grievance diatribe, this sounds the funnier to me. Busy doing what during the summer, being too poor to do more for yourself or your family than paste yourself to whatever air conditioning you can pay for, or the ELEMENTS outside your house, especially if you live in a place like Texas?
I learned very quickly they never liked us. It's like trying to appeal to someone who hates you. We'll always be basement goblins to them, so it's more fun to play into the stereotype and make them fear us. It's like nipping at their heels. They always got to watch their backs because we're right there to rip them apart or ruin everything for them. It's the proper way, no, the only way to handle them.
Of course they don't like us, we don't have to like them either. They make stuff, we pick out what products of theirs we think are worthwhile and buy them, it's that simple.
I haven't watched it yet but it was a surprise finding out what the movie was really about. The fact that the marketing team did a tremendous job to hide that fact should tell you the answer.
It doesn't seem made as well like they're other movies and inside out kind of did something similar. Most people probably want incredible 3 for elastigirl
The metaphor is heavy-handed and obvious and the characters are annoying stand-ins for the director's personal baggage.
Still wanna frick Ember, though.
Fpbp. Their "super clever" racism allegory doesn't work when the frowned upon race can LITERALLY KILL PEOPLE just by touching them.
Haven’t seen the movie but couldn’t all of the elements can kill one another? Water would kill fire, earth could smother fire, air can blow out fire, water could break apart earth, etc.
Isn’t the idea that the fire people are unfairly looked down upon because all of them are dangerous?
the fires are Black folk anon
Nope. Chinese. The director is Chinese and bluntly said in a interview that Ember's parents and struggles were based on his parents' struggles. There's even a little fire town in the city where her dad strictly cooks traditional fire people food that no one else eats. Hunks of wood.
*Korean
K what? You can't win by making up nations.
did you just imply that only blacks can be Black folk?
Yes you dumb frick.
Chinese Black folk are chinks.
Korean actually.
>the design of the fire people was the first thing they thought about
So why is it so shit? It's just a woman with a fire for a head.
*a sexy woman with thick hips with a fire for a head
Thankfully that made it into the movie but that's not even present in that total ass concept art.
That is the least imaginative shit I've ever fricking seen. Why are they on a normal wooden ship?!
They are shown to eat wood and other fuels as sustenance. So worse come to worst they can eat small bits of the ship to survive if they are starving out at sea.
If you posted only the drawing of them in the boat and said it was Ghibli concept art, people itt wouldn't even be making fun of it lmao.
>Why are they on a normal wooden ship?!
Because the boat isn't racist.
Didn't see the movie but I saw in one of the trailers that a water guy sneezing onto an earth guy just caused him to grow grass "hair" where the water hit him, so I kinda doubt they'd have issues with water people hurting earth people on accident.
In all those other cases, a fire person is always involved. This is barely a racism allegory because the other three races all seem to get along perfectly well except for the fire people, who just genuinely cannot coexist with the other three without some magical non-racist love bullshit.
No, the other races become immune to fire if they just stop being racist. That's the actual resolution to the plot btw.
Please tell me you're joking
He's kinda right. When Ember and Wade accept each other despite their differences, their touch and kiss don't hurt each other anymore.
They never go into details, they just said that love "changed their body chemistry"
Damn that's moronic.
Racist people really are too stupid to take fiction realistically. I thought you said trannies couldn't tell the difference between fiction and reality?
Should’ve been an animal metaphor. Elements are too grounded for me. In the whole film you see fire people burning shit they don’t mean to, holding flammable objects without setting it aflame, hurting others while touching, and not hurting others while touching (once theyre not racist).
That and the sports scene shows that clouds can cause storms due to anger like how fires can cause blazes from anger. The logic was a failure from the start and the creators couldn’t set decent rules.
Maybe if the film was funny or enthralling enough to distract from these problems, but it isn’t.
Zootopia already exists
Why yes. That's the reason why every time I wish for a cup of tea, I don't just boil the water in the kettle. Instead, I ask my black or asian friend to do it for me - because only wishful thinking defines the social friction, and most importantly - I'm still not racist. Not one bit.
Yes.
A man could cave in a woman's skull. Doesn't justify misandry.
your face justifies misandry
Actually it does.
Difference is her head doesn't cave in just from touching him, caving in her skull is his decision and is a result of his own agency as an autonomous individual
It does
And I thought Pleasantvilles allegory was moronic
hey go frick yourself pleasantville is awesome
the first half is kino but then it turns into generic goyslop
The lesson is that if even those guys who can kill each other by touching can work it so, especially should we.
>the frowned upon race can LITERALLY KILL PEOPLE
We get it anon you hate black people.
Yeah and whats wrong with that
You can also drown in the other one
This is all allegories for racism in genre fiction.
>why would you be worried about werewolves/robots/mutants/vampires/wizards/aliens/zombies? yes they are designed to be able to break the laws of physics to kill people and routinely do so on a whim and by accident, but are you racist or something?
Everything was fine until the FIRE NATION attacked
Yeh
Generational trauma being the bad guy again I guess.
>Generational trauma
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
You think using a meme quote from The Princess Bride makes you sound more clever?
No.
Shudafukup, Inigo.
Because we all hate antiracism and want it to go away.
We are all tired of "WAAAAA I'm not white!" stories.
anti-racism is just a radicalization ideology that teaches people to scapegoat and hate white people and blame them for all the woes in the world. White people themselves are taught to feel guilty over the color of their skin they are born with. Anti-racism is one of the most racist ideologies out there. Anyone who ascribes to it is racist.
>anti-racism is just a radicalization ideology
Gotta wonder why so many people on Cinemaphile feel called out by anti-racism as a concept
Please return.
Who are you quoting?
Because it's a shitty D- romantic comedy, with unlikable characters with c- designs, and tired, nonsencial stories of bigotry.
Also, the expectations that pixar ace design, and emotions is high.
They only shit this movie does well is spectacle.
Because I believe in King's Dream of equality of treatment, and that promoting concepts like POC, and saying that intersectionality needs continuous positive race frickery forever to deal with injustice of the past is RACIST AS FRICK, and the people who promote this need to be treated like the neo-jim crow frickers they are.
>Because I believe in King's Dream of equality of treatment,
Please stop using that one MLK speech as some type shield to so how not racist you are.
MLK is an overrated homosexual anyway. Shuttlesworth, now there's a Chad.
Never heard of him, but google suggests he was important. Kind of hard to recall people who fought for something that should probably have been theirs automatically.
Anyway the allegories are pretty shallow but they're still there. Wall-E's environmentalism and anti-fat messages weren't particularly deep or realistic but they got the job done.
That's not even what King believed. He was in favor of racial quotas and equality of outcome. That whole "content of their character" spiel is not representative of his thought.
How much antiwhiteness is enough to bring justice? If we overshoot it, would white people become entitled to be racist again?
The best policy is simply to pursue equality of opportunity, trying to give non-white people advantages over white people means that loads of colored people who aren't fit for a job will be given the job anyway, thereby creating the appearance of racial incompetence, even though it was actually caused by bad hiring policies.It fosters resentment in white people, and makes white racists seem more correct than otherwise.
It is not just that.
you can just use anti-racist to mean anti-anti-white too
Me hoping one day picrel won't be relevant in like every thread ever on this science-forsaken website
This anon watches Vaush and posts on r/gamingcirclejerk.
Is vaush the new buzzword?
Just a references to someone who only consumes opinions from people who think themselves as intelligent.
Why is Cinemaphile so full of leftygays?
Women
>women
Don’t forget about “women”, I have a sneaking suspicion it ain’t just the nonas doing such things here…
Go back to the circlejerk gay nuts
The irony is that most people left, right, whatever, have basically zero fricking media analysis skills.
They will always see the heroes as part of them, and the villains as the other.
Ew frick off my Cinemaphile normie
Why are people "in the wrong" for being born specific races?
The irony of a 4chud saying this.
You haven't answered the question, you have only deflected.
There's nothing ironic about it. The reason people don't like woke stuff/antiracism is because it is inherently racist, it's racism masquerading as antiracism wearing liberalism like a skin suit.
Now answer the question. Why do you think people are "in the wrong" for being born a specific race?
No wait are you trolling or really believing it?
Because no one says chud like libs used to as insult but also you're saying it as if was tiny veiled trolling
I'm half joking, you see racist comments on here all the time so I thought their post was funny.
This. Besides the race metaphor seems so clumsy that I bet pol will love while the intended audience hates it
the message is bad
the male lead is obnoxious
and the jokes are the most blatant and obvious ones 5 year olds would think of when tasked to come up with element puns. And they decided to use ALL of them, every single one. Never a single veto from the director and writers against any of the jokes, that's what it feels like.
Romeo and Juliet romance trope for the 500th time
>trope I like 😀
>trope I dislike >:(
>we're so different, yet so similar
It's going to make more money than Lightyear, I can feel it. People actually like this movie and they didn't like Lightyear.
no they don't like both
Heterosexual relationship, and Black folk also ape out when there's a racism metaphor
WMAF allegory
BMAF allegory. Look at the voice cast.
BMWF
Because it fricking sucks
Good concept, shitty, derivative and boring execution. Also the character designs are bad.
Because the literal rehash of a movie from 1967 is too woke for modern conservative sensibilities. Rehashing a 56 year old movie is pretty sad and it would be a pretty good reason to bully what used to be a pretty innovative studio, alas, the biggest problem is just that 56 year old messages have become outrageously progressive.
>a movie from 1967
Which one?
I think anon was talking about "Guess who's coming for dinner" from 1967.
I wonder if you meant to type 1957, which was I think when the original West Side Story came put?
Either way, this whole idea is indeed old as shit and the fact that people here are crying about the oldest fricking plot around show what fragile whiney b***hes the internet has turned some people into. God shut up.
Or maybe your ideas are bad and you should take the L and frick off.
>ACCEPT THE PROPAGANDA OR I'LL CALL YOU NAMES
cope and seethe, im not dating outside my race
But it does bother you that a Disney Cartoon promotes miscegenation?
does it bother you i dont have any black friends and i wont marry a non white?
not really.
Why would it?
The movie is propagandizing black x asian.
Water is black and Fire is asian.
In modern age is too racist for a white person to love, touch or look in the same direction of a brown, so they must stay away because racemixing with a white is evil and bigoted.
Ahh yes black people who are privileged dorks who don't eat hot food you got them.
>Ahh yes black people who are privileged dorks who don't eat hot food you got them.
What exactly don't you get of blackwashing?
They're blackwashing nerd characters to erase the existence of white nerds that existed more than black nerds ever played DnD in their lives.
They're stealing stereotypes made for white men, not holding spice, because they want to steal everything from whites.
Even privileged blacks to say that without whites they would be rich and powerful
you're fricking insane or trolling good job
Explain how water is black without mentioning VA races
>Explain how water is black without mentioning VA races
Wade doesn't have a father
He literally says his father passed away in the movie. Having a dead father makes you black?
that was his trauma indulging cope
Cope homosexual, your headcanon isn't real
HIS FATHER IS DEAAAAAAAAD
He was made to be that way because the creator basically projected a version of his life into this movie.
They literally said it's a self insert about their lives.
>hmmm what should i wear to this photo shoot for a kids film
>oh i know i'll put on my sexy dragon dress
Ember is hot AF for every reason imaginable the whole movie, including wearing what kinda looks like a leather/chainmail short hem dress the whole movie. Sometimes with matching booties.
And a matching hoodie.
No wonder that shota wanted to mix elements before it was cool, even after she became engaged he just moved on to another his age.
Was Clod, dare I say, /ourshota/?
Actually yes, he was small enough to take a look at her pussy under the skirt
It is known
Blasians are pretty hot, so I just see it as a win.
>posts a fictional white looking woman from a video game as an example
Oh sorry.
I want to frick Jhene Aiko.
That's better?
God you sound like such a massive homosexual. Can I peg you white boy?
Who is making you?
>what anti white agenda
You didn't answer my question. Who is making you date a non-white?
My penis
>of a movie from 1967
Forbidden love as a trope has been a thing since...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramus_and_Thisbe
At least 8 AD.
The 60s are when wokeness started infesting media
race mixing was bad then and its bad now
Bad writing
Maybe because his head is shaped like a foot and he has a constant pain on his face.
The population is reaching levels of fatigue with moronic SJW bullshit previously thought impossible.
Frick groomers and frick libBlack folk. 2016-2022 era is over
>2016-2022 era is over
Nice to know you admit your side lost. 🙂
I just want the pre-2014 world to come back :'(
i remember this comic, group of 1 guy 2 girls, a signboard of the year 2015, something about equality
come 2016 the girls kick the guy out of their group
Yes, Hillary lost.
Obsessed
I haven't seen it, but from what I've gathered it's not nearly as bad as most other recent Pixar movies and even has some charm to it. The worst moments in the film were all put in the trailers so it was horribly marketed. You're better off just ignoring the real-world race allegory because it falls flat since the characters are literally a danger to one another simply by existing. The love story is fairly charming and the main couple are both likable. The animation is actually impressive in seeing how the elements interact.
Also the main girl is thicc as hell and shows a lot of leg.
So it might be worth checking out on blu-ray.
>thighs yes
>boobs FORBIDDEN
why
I dunno, but thick legs and hips are way more important than big boobs. You can have the former without the latter and be sexy, you can't have the latter without the former and be sexy.
Thick thighs also mean easier child birth and less bones poking while fricking
Flat with thicc thighs is cute
The age of booba is over. The time of the motherbearing hips has come.
Large breasts compared to everything else is White coded (especially German / Dutch).
What? You sound dumb
Large thighs and ass are easily achievable by every race. Even if you aren't born with it, you can just eat until you get fat. Not every one can have big boobs (without implants) so Disney and ESG want to get rid of them, because they make troons and flat chest women feel bad about themselves.
Large breasts are also achievable by every race. The latter part of your argument has more credence than the first.
>Large breasts are also achievable by every race
Also by every gender. I am a man and I have gigantic manboobs.
She is Asian moron
we don't call 'em PAAGs (phat ass asian girls) for nothing
Boobs are not inclusive to troons. That's literally the reason. media and games have made women more ugly and gender neutral to appease their "reeeee!!!" fit when the female characters don't look like them.
https://poptopic.com.au/entertainment/games/naughty-dog-made-female-characters-less-feminine-to-be-trans-friendly/
That's a stupid fricking comparison. Neil israeliteman literally went out of his way to make his female characters unattractive. That's not the same as having thick thighs but small breasts. The latter isn't unattractive, it's been used in female character designs often in the past. Just look at Betty Boop- she was an actual sex symbol and the focus was clearly more on her legs and thighs.
Betty Boop had boobs though. No boobs at all =/= small boobs and implied boobs on non humans.
Ember's chest is literally a straight line that is a harsher flat line than even a man's chest or any anatomy should allow on a curved form.
Classic female animated characters have always at least had a curved prominent chest. Even Sawyer has a curved chest.
There is no world in which Ember is "defeminized" in the way that the TLOU2 characters were. She is extremely curvy. Trannies do not have wide birthing hips, it's actually easier for them to get fake breasts than wide hips. Of all the problems to have with this movie, Ember's sexiness isn't one of them.
>It's not that bad because the troony porn game is worse
He brought up TLOU2 first you moron. And it's not bad at all. Ember is actually attractive.
>not flat as a hot cake
one had one job
You gotta love how that image zoomed into Ember 20x to avoid showing her GIANT BIRTHING HIPS in an attempt to claim she's "flat as a pancake".
Showing the hips wouldn't make her chest any less flat, imbecile.
Are we really complaining that the anthropomorphized fire isn't as sexy as the anthropomorphized penguin from childrens movies
yes
>pic
THAT'S who the fire lady's design kept reminding me of this whole time. I was wracking my brain for weeks over this, you're a lifesaver anon
Not seeing the resemblance.
They have a similar body shape.
plus the somewhat horizontal head, and the position of the facial features. Don't think it's any kind of direct influence or anything but I can see some resemblance
It's so funny how feminism has advanced so much that women have become a second class citizen to transwomen in increasingly more and more facets of life. Hence the recurring question that has propped up as of late: "What is a woman?"
Nobody has to ask "What is a man?", but now women have to apply to their own sex like they were applying to a job or making a case at court. And they got feminists to thank for that.
>Nobody has to ask "What is a man?",
Because Dracula gave the answer to that in 1997.
This isn't a movie about racism.
>Because Dracula gave the answer to that in 1997.
has to ask "What is a man?",
>Because Dracula gave the answer to that in 1997.
HAVE AT THEE!
>
>This isn't a movie about racism.
I'm going to disagree with you on this point.
>This isn't a movie about racism.
>Elemental isn't about racism
damage control
damage control
damage control
>Because Dracula gave the answer to that in 1997.
>It's so funny how feminism has advanced so much that women have become a second class citizen to transwomen in increasingly more and more facets of life.
That's libfems, terfs are much more based
>communists ruin everything
Many such cases!
Not everything is trannies, dumb frick. Boob censorship started with foids and republic**ts back in the day.
Name one example of a character getting a forced mastectomy because conservatives raised a fuss.
The gay agenda, children must be groomed to believe that women=men. The "QUI?" debuff women by making them sexually non-provocative by turning them into featureless humanoids under the guise of being child friendly.
Originally it was because boomer censors did see thighs as sexual and so artists could get away with character having dump truck butts. Now the animation industry is full of assgays
Maybe she's just flat? Not all women are busty just like not all men have big wieners. Thighs are more important imo anyways.
Thick thighs and wide hips are the true marks of femininity. Good breasts always add, but they are the most expendable part of the whole
Cartoon women with large thighs and small/flat chests has been a thing for decades, anon
HERE WE ARE IN THIS BOOBLESS AGE AND AN ASS-FULL OF ASS-SHIT
>it's not nearly as bad as most other recent Pixar movies
I liked more than Soul and Onward but less than Turning Red and Luca. Haven't seen Lightyear and TS4 but those probably suck
>Haven't seen Lightyear and TS4
Don't.
>I haven't seen it
>The love story is fairly charming and the main couple are both likable..
I literally said that that's what I've gathered. I wasn't giving my own opinion. You're the professional around here.
>I watch random youtubers to help form my opinions on cartoons I never watched
Why are zoomers like this?
I never said that was my opinion. I said that this is what I've gathered from the opinions of people who have seen it. Also I'm 31.
did you have difficultys growing up? going to school? interaction with people? how does it feel to live as a moronic adult?
Not that anon but
>"difficultys"
>calls anyone else moronic
Weird geenration. They just watch summaries on youtube instead of the actual movie or show.
Again, I'm probably older than you and have certainly seen more animated films than you. Elemental was not a film that I had any interest in so there was no reason not to watch other people's opinions on it. I'm actually more likely to see it now than I would have been.
Nostalgia critic was around when Millennials were in highschool, you dork. If we're going to complain about young people at least keep it generation specific. Like how they need keys shaken in front of their face to keep their eyes focused on TikTok videos.
I
>Nostalgia critic was around when Millennials were in highschool
This is why there needs to be a better delineation of eras. Nostalgia Critic started his channel after I had already graduated college, yet I'm technically grouped in with millennials.
NC had its own style, zoomers watch straightforward summaries of media with some unfunny commentary strewn about it.
Yeah, I get my opinions from Cinemaphile posters who have also not watched it like a normal person
Anon, how else can you know if you have the correct, socially conscious Opinions™?
moron.
>the characters are literally a danger to one another simply by existing
>he doesn't know
>DFC
>Thick Thighs Save Lives
Damn, I didn't want to wank to her but you are making a compelling argument.
/ss/ bros?
I have seen any other /ss/ scene posted so I assume this scene is all there is
I'm not sure, but the kid is hitting on her for that scene at least.
God damn it. Now I demand a Fritz THe Cat style porn adaptation of this movie.
>Sorry, kid. I don't mind /ss/, but I'm not into filthy mudmonkeys.
Jesus, what was Pixar thinking with this dialogue?
Raimi was swinging by for MoM at the time.
Is she carrying a wooden crate?
Yea but she doesn't want to burn it so she doesn't, or something.
I think the fundamental flaw of this movie is that it is too fricking stupid of a premise. It has a lot of the same issues as Cars does, but the difference is that Cars is a lighthearted cartoon version of Doc Hollywood while Elemental is a character and world-driven driven movie with serious themes and overtones, with a world as stupid and contrived if not more than the world of Cars.
>serious themes and overtones
An old woman giving her last wish on her deathbed is played as a joke.
Pedantic would be a better word, regarding the over the top racial and political themes of this movie that Ernest et Celestine did better on every level a fricking decade ago
Honestly it's pretty much the same in that the world is whimsical but the writers want you to care about the main characters' struggles. Elemental feels more dishonest though because everything about its world is contrived to the point it ruins the believability of the struggle, whereas in Cars the main characters' struggles stem from more grounded problems like racing which is shown to have more believable consequences such as glory and getting wrecked. Also in Cars the characters are pretty much only victims to their/each other's actions which shows more agency of character, whereas in Elemental characters are victims of a world that purposefully doesn't take normal people into account when developing living spaces and such, among other things.
Pixar tried to turn Clod into a Twitter meme, I can only assume its because theres an /ss/ lurker on the marketing team.
I wanna see that tweet so bad
Take this depressing attempt at mimicking a camrip as consolation.
https://twitter.com/pixarelemental/status/1670114083700625409
I find the idea of studios using the unavoidable nature of camrips and including the concept in their marketing to be a fascinating development.
I find it funny that this is literally a public endorsement to allow people post cam-rips, despite it being outlawed
It's because the movie is performing like shit and they are seriously that desperate to get any promotion or praise for the movie, even if it's illegal lol.
They should make this a meme
They should have gotten the Russian guy from KOTH to do the advertising for this movie, probably would have performed a lot better.
Later, at the Hall of Justice
>Clod
Is his name the equivalent to Black person? Clod is usually an insult cause it’s like calling someone dirt (in this case he is dirt). And I’m not just talking in the Steven Universe sense.
It's just a pun on Claude, the frick is wrong you?
More like a Cinemaphile lurker, reminder that a lot of people in the industry lurk and actively post on Cinemaphile because it's the only where they can vent and not get canceled by twitter
It's lazy in a way that's just impossible not to notice.
The same reason you were bullied
It sucks
>Obnoxious tech demo rendering project
>overly stylized art direction that's shitty looking just because
>intensely heavy handed racial allegory that doesn't make any fricking sense
>generic trainwreck love/finding yourself/intergenerational drama/let's change all of society story
>retread of Zootopia's "what if an entire city was made for all kinds of wildly different creatures" worldbuilding, but exponentially worse and dumber
>appeals to zero demographics at all. Too preachy for kids. Too cliche for adults.
It should have been a short, but they made it a movie, and now they're suffering the consequences of their moronic decisions.
>overly stylized art direction that's shitty looking just because
This sounds like a buzzwordy shitpost but just today I was thinking about the movie and realized what I didn't like about it was that it was too expressive. It sounds dumb to call a cartoon that but aside from its style bordering on looking like that corporate cartoon art style, the facial expressions are just way overdoing it.
They were trying to flex in too many ways and it ends up being a stylistic overload. With most of the movie being Ember and Wade you are constantly looking at two very wiggly characters who never stop wobbling and changing shape and distorting and stretching... and it's supposed to be visually impressive, but it just make it feel overstimulating.
Why are the "air" people clouds? Aren't clouds basically made of water?
I mean, they need to be visible right?
Do you really have to be that autistic
Even leftists are getting tired of "racism bad" movies
It's just very generic looking and just looks worse when Spider-verse just came out. Like others point out the metaphor doesn't work if you think too hard about it (though I think Turning Red and Zootopia had similar problem).
I will say Ruby Gillman is almost lucky nobody's paying attention to it - Elemental may be generic but that movie's looks straight up ugly.
>Spider-verse
It looks generic compared to Zooptopia, which at least had a plot outside of the racism metaphor.
Elemental isn't about racism.
>"You must marry Fire"
>not about racism
>Ruby Gillman
I almost feel bad for that movie. Almost.
cannot comprehend how anyone can watch Elemental and call it bad when it's pure masterclass in animation!
>racist words but a water guy
Same reason Cinemaphile lost their shit over attack on titan's ending. Saying "genocide and racism are bad" is antithetical to the Cinemaphile ethos
*the NuCinemaphile election tourist ethos
Let's not kid ourselves man this site has always been the place where you can laugh at blackface and say slurs uncensored. You can only act that way long enough before those tourists catch wind of it and find their in good company.
>this site has always been the place where you can laugh at blackface
what a crime
>and say slurs uncensored.
Yeah? So say the N-word in this board and lets see what happens
Black person
Black person
>The movie can't be bad if I agree with the message
Also how many "racism bad" stories do we really need? You aren't going to change the minds of those who are actually racist so why bother. Time to tell other stories.
>>The movie can't be bad if I agree with the message
I'm not saying that.
Frankly I think Pixar has like 2 good movies, 3 tops. But notice you get posts like
within the first 5?
>That opinion doesn't actually count because I think they're racist.
Or maybe people are just sick to death of the same boring shit you daft c**t.
Not the same anon but god I hate Cream the rabbit so much, such a nothing character fans try to pretend is a psychotic badass
>fans try to pretend
Why care?
It isn't about changing minds that are already made up, it's about shaping developing minds.
I don’t think Cinemaphile is an accurate representation of the general population
Seeing as how Elemental is #2 in the box office? Definitely not.
Specially summer Cinemaphile
anyone has a mega of the movie? i want to watch it but i dont want to pay money for it
Because it's milk-toast, middle of the road homosexual shit. Pixar use to write compelling stories with deep beautiful characters, not fricking Soulless blobs that try to emulate life in modern California.
Into the trash bin of history - hopefully - along with three "creatives" that have poisoned Pixar.
>X but with feelings in an urban setting as a racism metaphor
frick off
>Why is everyone bullying this movie?
well according to the director, the story was based on being a korean inmigrant and being rejected
but this story can be also interpreted as
>whitetoids are bad
>blacks lives matter are chads
Mixing elements together makes no logical sense. Fire is extinguished by water and water is evaporated by fire. This doesn't help with their "Diversity" propaganda.
These stories with the obvious "let's all live in harmony" moral that Disney/Pixar does feels very outdated now. Like this would have been a hit a decade ago back when this story style wasn't so old and used. They have to find another strategy otherwise they're just going to make flop after flop while movies with no moral at all like Spiderverse grabs people's attention.
Because Peter Sohn clearly didn’t learn from his mistakes
Where are the fire elemental's breasts?
She's not a mammal. She's fire.
Why is she all covered up then
Everyone in the movie wears clothes.
There's a lot to hit it with but honestly a big one is that it's simply pretty much just zootopia again
Even better is to bully any moron who like it or was involved in the making of it.
The movie is alright and I can imagine kids liking it without really getting the racism allegories going on here. Not perfect but I enjoyed it enough.
Yeah the problems only start when adults who have no business watching this aside from being with their kids at the theater start obsessing over it because they view everything through a political lens
Same problem pretty much any Pixar movie for the last decade has, too many adults are taking this kiddie shit super seriously.
reminds of the tv cartoon demographic shift
iirc cn said their average viewer was like 20-30 or something
Why tf would a Zoomer/Milennial want to sit around and watch Teen Titans Go! all day?
It's funny, Khary Payton's joy at talking about Eighties TV shows is palpable, and Raven is hot.
It's not a bad show by any means I just don't understand why the frick somebody under the age of 65 would still have cable when they could stream anything they want from CN on Hulu.
I'm tired of movies being nothing but a director's therapy session, frick these narcissist buttholes
But it was ok when The Shining did it, right?
I thought Misery was steven king's therapy session book
Both were.
Not a kids film
Nonsense, it even has a kid mc.
How does it compare to Turning Red? I never saw that, but I'll probably watch this since it doesn't seem to be as loud & annoying.
They address the immediate post-9/11 world in Elemental, so it's better than Turning Red.
It sacrifices loud and annoying for boring and stupid, if that's what you want.
They're jealous they'll never make a fire waifu cry for the first time in her life.
I'm sure this has been contemplated multiple times by now but how would you even copulate with it?
Anon, she's fire. Does she even have anything to copulate with?
Other fire people, duh. Also, Clod and the earth elementals, because you can't burn dirt.
That's what makes it sexy, sexual self-immolation.
1. Cover your dick in asbestos
2. Die, that's a stupid plan, maybe like ash or something instead
Depleting the other partner in half? Could be intense. Ember was extinguishing from becoming too depressed, I imagine some kind of total opposite.
Talking just about Wade, because just the movie showed they were already... experimenting. It's not too much in the gutter given the plucking and shota jokes. And somehow elements can generate love pheromones to each other.
Easy, I stop being racist toward fire and she stops being racist toward humans.
Fire of ring protection from D&D. She would still be extremely painful (for you) but not injure you.
>and I have to say you don't sound like a slanty chinky-eye
God dman the mental gymnastics of these writers, man
>ok so the water person made of water will make fun of her for how she talks just like whitey did to my gramgram when I was a kid
>what does speech have to do with fire people?
>well you see, my grams came from Korea so-
>yes but the fire person-
>I don't know what you're not understanding. when I was a kid and my grandma got made fun of by whitey...
And so on
How should an European or someone living in China understand this scene?
>you don't have a shit ass gypsy accent huh
>uh thanks
Second-gen migrants still being treated like they just got there is a pretty universal issue.
Pixar makes family films, not explicitly kids' movies like The Minions or PAW Patrol. Adults are part of the target audience, so it does have to make sense for them too.
how is that an "issue"?
>how is treating other human beings like they don't belong in your country an issue?
Like have you ever been in a thread and someone told you to return to reddit and it cut you really deep? It's like that but in real life.
Wow, that must be really hard. Second-gen people must have it so hard.
they would probably read it as about class, which is what it's really about in america too but americans have the class consciousness of a cinderblock
>americans have the class consciousness of a cinderblock
That's what happens when you live in a nation where people are constantly moving in an out of classes. You tend to realize class struggle is complete bullshit held up by the government.
The fire woman is a gypsy
Do relationships really start like that? As a INCEL I couldn't relate much
They used to before tinder
"an embodiment of fire falls in love with an embodiment of water" is a premise that could work.
They fricked up with their shitty shitty SHITTY worldbuilding, basically going "and by FIRE we mean ASIAN, and by WATER we mean BLACK."
Are you sure water means black? They sound white to me
They're black. But "safe" black, that just experience things like unjust discrimination in Asian supermarkets.
They're Cosby Show blacks.
It’s a self insert movie, so fire is Koreans and water is black. Don’t be confused by the blue eyes and blue coloring meaning white, because I sure was. Air is white because clouds are literally white.
The main characters are fricking ugly.
Leftist hate heterosexual couples
Rightoids hate mixed couples
Centrist think it's fricking boring
Degenerates want to frick fire
Cinemaphile needs to make a game where what the emotionally broken fire girl really needs is a human man who suffers racism at the hand of elementals in general.
It's actually a great movie. Mark my words, it'll be the de facto /misc/ Disney movie once they catch on.
>multikulti doesn't work
>forcing "elements" together causes severe strife and problems
>there is not such thing as "multi-cultural". people just live in their own little enclaves anyway
>water people destroy things, they don't come to buy
>asian americans are whiny entitled bastards that care little about the other more established races in america
>multiracial couples are looked down upon
>you shouldn't have biracial children because it will not turn out right
If Ember and Wade could somehow produce offspring it would become the Goku of the Elemental universe.
steam?
Because it's one of the biggest box office bombs of all time. The budget is over $200 million and it still hasn't passed $60 million worldwide.
Pixar has been in deep latrine mode for a while now when it becomes to box office because of Disney's shitty decisions during the pandemic, expensive budgets, and Illumination's Super Mario Bros taking over animation from them for at least a couple sequels.
I still loved Elemental.
>The budget is over $200 million
The frick is it all going to?
TECHNOLOGY and embezzlement mostly
>Flame Princess (Adventure Time) & Osmosis Jones in a date
>World populated by elemental people
>Places are just regular places with a ton of fire/water thrown everywhere
why did they get so lazy? pixar was actually pretty good at building worlds that cirled around non humans, you'd think they'd go even crazier with a simpler concept and make some surreal stuff, but this is almost cars tier worldbuilding
>this is almost cars tier worldbuilding
Worse, it's Cars 2 tier worldbuilding. In Cars the cars drink oil and their lives revolve around things related to driving for the most part, 2 introduced a pope car, human food, and various other lazy thoughtless inclusions that muddied the waters. Thankfully 2 doesn't exist and 3 brought things back to basics.
Because the creators are bullying everyone for not being interested in it, or not finding it particularly deep or moving. It's another in a long line of failed nu-Pixar movies, and they know that the higher-ups are gonna start noticing the young blood is ruining the studio.
Blatant miscegenation propaganda
Boomer race-shaming reflex. Ember is the sexiest and sharpest dressing female character in the movie by far, even gettin a shota interested in interracial fire before it was cool.
Just watched the movie.
The story wasn't bad. The metaphors are moronic.
The elements for a great movie were there. The main problem is that we don't see Amber against the idea of inhereting the store at the beggining (The part where, you know, stablishes the character) but as a sudden "Realization" that honestly came out of fricking nowhere. There were certain parts that felt forced when they could easily reached them more naturally.
The movie is not bad, but feels like a Big wasted opportunity but it was worth it since i watched it for Amber
>The elements for a great movie were there.
Heh
Only new one here is you
Probably because it's an immigrant narrative and a lot of the world has been in a very xenophobic state these days unfortunately.
OP is clearly facetious.
A product cannot be bullied.
Though I imagine that won't stop corporations from claiming otherwise.
But what if movies had feelings?
kinda tired of everything having to be about mary sue girl bosses and weak, stupid males that only exist for sexual exploitation and to talk about how amazing women are
all directed by men under a male helmed studio. yes, this is womens fault, somehow.
Weak, stupid men don't save the big game and get girls to hold hands with them after just a week of dating.
>stupid males that only exist for sexual exploitation and to talk about how amazing women are
Where did that happen in the movie?
How freakin science it’s Osmosis Jones
If you watch this movie thinking Wade is a super-elemental waterchad that the universe bends backwards to accomodate, almost every single plot-hole makes sense
>In the city hall office Ember goes full inferno and burns everything, Wade doesn't have a single scratch
>Gets vaporized, comes back to life in a matter of minutes
>water city-workers touched sand, got trapped in it. Wade touches sand in two different scenes, he's perfectly fine
>water people boil in Ember's proximity, Wade is able to touch her just fine. It's not chemistry, Wade is just like that
>Shows his true gigachad form to Ember, she reacts positively
>"heh, too easy"
>shapeshifts into a crying, out-of-shape blob for the rest of the movie
>still gets the girl
Dude doesn't cry about his problems or issues though, he cries about other's problems.
He cries about not being loved by Ember like once.
He didn't cry after she rejects him during the fire gathering.
I want to support the movie but they are not showing it here AAAAAAA
Is it going to be released at a later date?
I hope, but not next week.
they could have even made that a plot point. ember feels like an out-of-place freak, then she meets someone who legitmately IS an out-of-place freak. this causes her to stop being so defensive and she gains humility and compassion.
>”heh, too easy”
Made me lol. If this was true would have made the film better. Wade is the best, isn’t he?
World building seemed illogical to me
also unlike Zootopia it is just a mess
>Why is everyone bullying this movie?
It's an easy target from a big studio.
If this was some small indie project, nobody would care.
I'm beginning to think that somebody has written a review somewhere that people are starting to parrot as well, since there is a lot of talks about "the allegory" without pointing out what the allegory actually is, just saying it's "another Zooptoia."
>I'm beginning to think that somebody has written a review somewhere that people are starting to parrot as well,
Is that ever not the case? Most normies get their opinion on animated movies from youtuber reviews and probably a sizable portion of Cinemaphile does as well
Just looks dull. Another relationship based movie that is just coomer bait at the end of the day. What is the point of this movie? At least have the conflict not be interpersonal based. Use outerconflict to bring the characters together ala-zootopia.
>just coomer bait at the end of the day
I have not seen anything I want to jerk off less to than Elemental.
>I have not seen anything I want to jerk off less to than Elemental.
How gay are you to not like this?
I like Ember's design a lot. Love those hips. Wade is too much of a whiny homosexual for my taste lol.
wait, which one do you mean?
It's just weebs, capeshitters, Cinemaphileermin, /misc/tards, Cinemaphilemblers, coomers, boomers, zoomer, doomers, soomers, poomers, loomers, bronies, tripgays, comicsgategays, /hmofa/tards, shitposters, sneedposters, schitzoposters, fedposters, wojakgays, furgays, redditgays, normalgays, and plebs in general letting Elemental live rent free in their heads.
BTW how many of you anons actually seen Elemental?
I did.
How was it, anon?
It was a cute romcom.
I saw it.
Wade was cute but how they met each other and started dating felt weird. Why would you date a guy who sent citations to shut down your family’s shop? Why would you date a girl who has major anger issues and chased you throughout the whole city? Where is the classic meet-cute that sets up their chemistry? Also the race and immigration allegory fell flat because fire is incredibly dangerous to the other elements. They should have just made a cute romcom without the annoying topics that are so politicized right now.
>Why would you date a guy who sent citations to shut down your family’s shop?
I would date him specifically to get him to dismiss the citations.
>Why would you date a girl who ... chased you throughout the whole city?
I shouldn't have to explain this one.
>Also the race and immigration allegory fell flat because fire is incredibly dangerous to the other elements.
It was only "dangerous" because everyone else was racist.
Yeah but dating him for that reason is dishonest. And it being “dangerous” because people were racist makes no sense.
>Yeah but dating him for that reason is dishonest.
If I was a chick I wouldn't gaf.
>And it being “dangerous” because people were racist makes no sense.
True but that's how their world works.
I have
Movie is too adult for kids and too kiddy for adults. Not enough focus on the romance to be a romcom, and the element people world doesn't work for social commentary. Still it has SOVL, you can tell the director cared about this story, but after this and TGD i'm starting to think he's just not great at telling them
I did.
It was okay.
It had some really great visuals, especially the fire effects.
I like the message, but the way it was told really wasn't the best. It hurts the whole thing, which is a shame because I didn't actually "get" the message until towards the end (the Ember/Wade scene after the tree) and it was reflecting back on the whole thing that tied it all together.
Everybody asking what race each element was is missing the point.
I'll be honest, I'm beginning to forget parts of the movie already. It didn't have that much memorable, outside a few scenes.
>Everybody asking what race each element was is missing the point.
Take it back a step further, the fact that the creators racially coded each element made the point fall a little flatter.
>the fact that the creators racially coded each element
Where?
In the movie, moron.
What races were each element and how was this communicated?
IIRC fire is korean, water is black, air is white, and I don't remember what earth was since I haven't seen the movie and I'm going off of what was posted by Cinemaphile, who has never once lied to me in the past.
earth or trees are israelites and mexicans, they do boring works that whites don't want to do and get rich or poor
>they do boring works that whites don't want to do
Can't be israelites then
being in journo working is boring
>journo work and lying to the populace is hard work
Oh, how sad. Learn to code.
Not necessary hard work but it's pretty boring, think that they still use newspapers.
Also working in banks despite getting rich is boring.
I ain’t contributing to that box office when it’s a weird message that multikulti is good and so is racemixing. You clearly don’t have to live in America.
>it’s a weird message that multikulti is good and so is racemixing
Explain why those aren't good, if you can.
Explain better how they are good
>explain why X is a problem
>no you explain why X is NOT a problem! gotcha!
Since when do I have to watch a movie to post about it and act like I know what I'm talking about?
I did and it was... underwhelming.
The immigration story was actually surprisingly powerful at times, but it's completely undermined by none of the factors contributing to the fire people's general misery getting addressed. I mean, by the end the metro to and from the fire ghetto is still spraying a shitton of water down below, and the water, air and earth people proceed to quite literally gentrify the hood. That was fricking hilarious and I had a laughing fit when I saw it, but it's definitely NOT something I'd consider charming or appropiate.
The romance was alright but the way the two met was the worst way possible. Wade was a fricking butthole right out the gate and I genuinely don't understand why Ember started to fall for him at the stadium scene. The obligatory third act breakup also felt forced.
It's racing mixing garbage that is also boring.
Someone post "Toilet"
For better or worse, pic related is only a shoop.
Every physical figure for Ember is going to look terrible. I can't really blame FunkoPop for this one, outside it just being another shit FunkoPop.
>Ember is with the grass kid instead of Wade
Lmao, GRASSED
>MY QUEEN
>glows in the dark
Would consider if it were real, but Funko's are still ugly to me so I'd be torn.
>Souless eyes funko glowing in the dark
Devilish.
>fanmade funko pop photoshop
This is honestly even more fricked up than inflation/foot/etc fetish art.
So if it's real, then darling, let me know...
Haters stay losing.
So was he supposed to be white?
He's water.
He's blue are you fricking blind?
Black. Fire is korean, white is air. Earth is ???? indogs maybe.
Ah yes the 4 races: korean, white, black and indian.
Give up, Cinemaphile
I did think it was fricking funny when Wade got temporarily rejected by Ember he was going on a world trip to heal his heart.
What would she think now?
That her granddaughter betrayed her “race” (element). Surprised the father didn’t have more of a reaction to his daughter dating a water guy with his hatred of water people.
Father's reaction was softened by mother being ecstatic about how much of a fit they are.
On that note, don't you think Wayde kind of cheated? He used Ember's fire to light his stick, so technically both incenses were burned by Ember's fire.
I mean its light through him so I guess it counted. I dont get why Wade placed so much importance on what essentially is matchmaking bullshit.
The guts of that director to put his grandmother's last words in the movie as a joke.
I liked the song during the date scene.
The rest was...a movie. It was fine, whatever.
That song is this one:
Thomas Newman writes good music.
I though the soundtrack fit during all the emotional moments but I didn't find any of it memorable, expect maybe the chase scene.
So Elemental is like if Turning Red and Zootopia had a baby?
Turning Red and Zootopia set in a world with rules and logic more moronic than Cars would be my take
Which one are you rooting for?
Elemental.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/137577445/
???!
what's the confusion.
Either Spider-Verse 2 or Elemental will be number #1 at the box office.
Granted they're each going to only make $18 million or so
That sounds extremely low for Spider 2
It's been out for three weeks now. Still being the top grossing movie for the week sounds pretty good.
It's already capped. Now it's just diminishing returns
It's the worst kind of movie, a dull movie.
1. Another convoluted racism/politics story for kids, both condescending while not making much logical or emotional sense.
2. IN A WORLD, only this world is poorly thought out and basically, a one to one with the real world despite how that makes little sense given they are elements (Fire city, water city, don't you think there would be SOME differences? The writers didn't.)
3. Disney is an evil media monopoly that shits out 'socially conscious' projects to disguise their incompetence with following very simple guidelines of the ESG, like not having child slaves manufacture their trash merch and polluting the land and environment with their shitty theme parks. Not to mention not having a diverse management at all despite their championing of it for everyone else. They love blacks, gays, women for thee but board rooms and top positions are strictly for white men.
>They love blacks, gays, women for thee but board rooms and top positions are strictly for white men.
on their defense white (and israelites) MEN are the only that can write good stories
Its typical Amerimutt trash with zero creativity. Enjoy their garbage idpol.
The dialogue is really lame in this movie, honestly.
With effects like that it almost makes me wish the movie had fight scenes. Of course the story would have to be different but aside from a lot of the facial expressions, the animation is pretty solid.
Kinda what makes me feel bad about it bombing so hard. You can see the effort put here, but it was just wasted.
That's why we have anime, and anime fans making live movies like Creed 3 nowadays. The problem is Pixar know normies are used to their movies looking like a gold standard of animation, The Ruby Gillman Teenake Kraken trailer from Dreamworks looks like a solid story but it's definitely cheaper looking.
Now the Pixar well might be running dry real soon because if Elementals is not a hit, I don't see how Elio can become one.
How come the air element is clouds? Clouds are moisture.
What else would air people be?
Air.
Societally speaking, does that mean upskirt pantyshots of Ember?
So how do you depict that?
>So how do you depict that?
Clothing, accessories, and debris carried by mini tornados to vaguely form humanoid bodies.
Am I supposed to be on her side here? She's clearly in the wrong. If she doesn't want to pay attention to the game, she should leave. It's like going to a movie theater and then loudly babbling about your daily drama. It's rude as frick.
The guy's face in pic related says it all.
No, you aren't.
Not exactly. You're supposed to recognize her character flaws.
>character flaws
Holy shit they actually gave her flaws?
Yes. She gets angry and has problems communicating with her dad. Those are explicitly identified as character flaws.
Actual flaws or "I care too much" flaws?
Those are just endearing personality traits.
Getting angry all the time is endearing?
>She's clearly in the wrong.
Her conversation concerns the fate of her family's business, it kind of takes precedence over a literal game. Even if she was being overly disruptive, which she wasn't, any point the air person might have had was undercut by her using a racial slur.
>Her conversation concerns the fate of her family's business, it kind of takes precedence over a literal game.
Nothing was stopping her from taking that conversation out of the stadium. There was also no indication the conversation was so incredibly urgent that it had to take place right then at that moment, and couldn't wait until after the game.
>Even if she was being overly disruptive, which she wasn't, any point the air person might have had was undercut by her using a racial slur.
Which she then used right back. And before you retort with "WELL THE CLOUD PERSON STARTED IT SO SHE WAS JUSTIFIED", that's kindergarten behavior. Adults control themselves.
It costs zero dollars to be a nice person.
correct, which is why she should have waited until after the game
>bro just put your family's dilemma on hold
>bro just loudly babble about your drama in public despite the fact that nothing is keeping you from walking out or discussing it later
It's not like they can do anything about it during the game, moron.
You can still discuss something before you do something about it. In fact planning things out before acting is generally a good idea.
Yes but you're acting like it's a major emergency that absolutely needs to be discussed there and then, when it in fact does not. On the contrary, as evidenced by what happens, they would have been better served going elsewhere. By either leaving or waiting.
It does need to be discussed immediately, it threatens her family's livelihood and requires immediate attention.
>requires immediate attention
In that case they should leave the game and go deal with it.
Wow she's being pretty racist. Guess it's alright since the clouds are white people
Mutts literally can only make racial or gender stories.
obssessed
Yes, you are.
In your opinion, what is stupider: fire people going to live in a place with water everywhere that isn't accommodating to fire people in the slightest or normal people living out in the desert away from where all the food in the world is?
deserts are comfy, never trade it for a shitty a street
>never trade it for an indian street
Fair enough
People are tired of Pixar being mediocre, I guess you could say it's finally hit a boiling point
The original races should've been Fire, Water, Earth and Air and the immigrants should've been Metal and Wood.
Fire people should've been an integral part of Four Element society, heating the airships to control their height, keeping pipes from freezing during the winter, helping the Earth people build pottery and houses, etc.
The Water and Air people are involved in transport along with a wide number of niche professions. Also the Air people should've been Air and not clouds, it's a fricking cartoon just make the Air people visible.
The Earth people had a monopoly on construction along with stuff like pottery. At least until the Metal people showed up and started taking their jobs. That would've been one of the main conflicts, Metal people are taking the role of Earth people in society and the Earth people feel like they're left behind.
On the flipside the Wood people are basically stuck growing food for the Fire people and they're tired of being stereotyped as poor ignorant farmers, but it's hard for them to move onto other jobs because they haven't found anything else they're good at.
>That would've been one of the main conflicts, Metal people are taking the role of Earth people in society and the Earth people feel like they're left behind.
Hits too close to home...
And the conflict is about the farmers needing to frick the metals and make hybrid technonature kids right
I really liked the movie.
But while I wasn't into the current Titanic submarine coverage, I found funny how Wade and his loud boss endangered Ember's life by taking her underwater for a wish fulfillment, in what it's clear was the first time they did anything like it. Bravo Pixar?
Really obvious metaphor that's already been done to death. Also just seems lazy in general. Everyone is made of a fricking element and they live in....a town. Not a town where elements would live just a town. Snore.
Sex with Ember.
She is hot, but you're playing with fire. She'll burn you if you're not careful.
From day fricking one this face is why
But he’s cute!
I love him!
Water having teeth is kinda weird
You are over 90% water.
Prove it
Because not only is it yet another repeat of the tired romeo and juliet bullshit, but it's also a paper thin piece of propaganda. Like, it doesn't even try and hide it.
>ELEMENTS DON'T MIX
gee fricking whiz I wonder what that could be allegory for
It's not just this movie. We've really been seeing a trend of "media bullying" these past few years. People rag on the generic corporate capshit like they always do, but recently, backlash to everything has felt different. It's like everyone's angry all of a sudden and throwing themselves at the lowest hanging fruit.
I don't know how we got here, I don't know how we get out, but what I do know is that it really sucks.
I remember a while ago there was an anon who made a giant schizopost about how financial incentives being algorithmically run, those algorithms affecting art creation, and the adoption of brand religion marketing would trickle down into capital F Fanatic fans having legitimate violent breakdowns towards artists.
At the time I just kind of brushed it off as cringe creative writing, but now I'm really not sure. Sometimes I think about a line from that schizopost, "people think the world will end like terminator, but it'll end like the Shining, with everyone being driven crazy by something they can't understand" or something to that effect. Scares the shit out of me.
Yeah, schizoposting can be silly but sometimes you'll find a grain of truth in it.
I think there's a fair bit of sensationalism being tied up in reviews, box office numbers, that sort of thing. Everything has to be the best thing ever now, and if it's not, then it's the worst thing ever. And once a narrative is set in stone, everyone who goes against it. So everything gets tied up into culture war/conspiracy bullshit, and it's fricking exhausting.
Like, they spun a "woke/not woke" culture war narrative about a fricking SUPER MARIO movie. They turned the PiB Last Wish "panic attack" scene from one of its more celebrated moments to one of its most derided. And god forbid you're an indie creator, you don't have billions of dollars to blind you from criticism, that shit's up in your face all day.
Of course I forgot to finish a sentence. God dammit.
>And once a narrative is set in stone, everyone who goes against it is treated like a contrarian desperate for attention and stripped of their legitimacy.
>hey spun a "woke/not woke" culture war narrative about a fricking SUPER MARIO movie.
I noticed that. It came out of left field and flooded Cinemaphile threads for days.
God, its just youtube atheism shit all over again.
Holy frick, gold star, you described it perfectly in one sentence.
The more we change, the more we stay the same
It is woke. It's annoying how Mario/Peach/Luigi were handled and awkward they made Peach a girlboss when she didn't need to be that way.
>don't make fun of the panic attack scene
It's so funny, though. Panic attack is such a modern concept. You guys are delicate.
>if you're indie it's in your face all day
If it's deserved, it's deserved. Don't put out stupid slop, especially political slop, or talk shit on Twitter. Especially towards you fans. It's just karma and these crybabies like this poster want to talk trash about their audience but also get their money and get angry when people have opinions and don't just reflect every single opinion they possess. It's just the California mindset of me me me me.
>Panic attack is such a modern concept
It's because people are starting to see the patterns, and it pisses them off. They may not be aware of Blackrock and ESG and all that shit, but they do know that these media companies are trying to force feed them a message.
They bullied the fans first always. Especially racially. We didn't forget the past 10+ years of racebaiting. Even with Elemental, they can't take personal responsibility and understand why it's hated. They never self-evaluate ever. They say things like
>animation fatigue
>new IP fatigue
>old IP fatigue
>it's the summer so people are busy
>too much animation in theaters
Always an excuse. Always, always an excuse. They will be bankrupt and go "Well we just timed the release wrong." Not acknowledgement for slop, no acknowledgement for bad writing, no acknowledgement of terrible politics, no acknowledgement, most of all, of subversion.
>it's the summer so people are busy
Out of the predictable grievance diatribe, this sounds the funnier to me. Busy doing what during the summer, being too poor to do more for yourself or your family than paste yourself to whatever air conditioning you can pay for, or the ELEMENTS outside your house, especially if you live in a place like Texas?
>They bullied the fans first
Two wrongs don't make a right. All you're doing is giving them more justification to hate fans.
I learned very quickly they never liked us. It's like trying to appeal to someone who hates you. We'll always be basement goblins to them, so it's more fun to play into the stereotype and make them fear us. It's like nipping at their heels. They always got to watch their backs because we're right there to rip them apart or ruin everything for them. It's the proper way, no, the only way to handle them.
Of course they don't like us, we don't have to like them either. They make stuff, we pick out what products of theirs we think are worthwhile and buy them, it's that simple.
And we roast the stuff they make that is trash and their dumbass opinions.
>these past few years
>all of a sudden
>nooo leave the multi-million-dollar product alone!
Kiss my ass, you aren't entitled to my money.
The female lead should've been male
I haven't watched it yet but it was a surprise finding out what the movie was really about. The fact that the marketing team did a tremendous job to hide that fact should tell you the answer.
It doesn't seem made as well like they're other movies and inside out kind of did something similar. Most people probably want incredible 3 for elastigirl
>Why is everyone bullying this movie?
Why aren't you?
I hate soggers. Simple as.