they literally changed the definition of a depression during the 2008 crash so economic conditions could never be called a depression again
2008 was a depression but called a recession due to the changed definitions
We're this close to the 3rd Great Depression
With 50% of adults aged 28 and younger living with their parents because their jobs don’t pay enough to cover a modest apartment I’m pretty sure we’re already in a Depression. Welfare propped up with fake currency is the only thing keeping soup kitchen lines down and more people off the streets. We’re looking at complete economic collapse in our very near future once the boomers die off (the last stronghold of the middle class). The multiple millions of immigrants crashing in who need jobs and beds to sleep in are something our country wasn’t coping with in prior economic downturns. We are fricked..
The US never fully demobilized after WWII and that allowed for huge economic growth
It does however mean that mobilization won't solve any kind of domestic problems unlike before
If the 2008 shit was the Second Great Depression then I really don't fear a third one because that shit was tame as frick. I was working in 2008 and kept working throughout it. Wasn't even an issue.
>We're this close to the 3rd Great Depression
I'd say it's more like a continuation of the 2008 collapse, nothing was ever really fixed back then they just kicked the can down the road a bit with debt, immigration, empty words, distraction tricks, etc and, hey look, there's the can right here!
nah, now to be a depression we have to be under a blue moon and aliens from alpha centauri had to invade us on a wednesday and all their ships have to be red
No, and this is exactly what every single media outlet will regurgitate.
These movies are flopping because they are clearly no-effort garbage films without an iota of creativity behind them. The public recognizes this, even if subconsciously. Don’t let the media write this off as a mere economic problem. This is a creative problem.
>WOW DID YOU SEE ARNOLD EXPLODE X THING WOW THIS MOVIE IS SO HECKIN KINO!
The 80s had the worse movies. All of them are campy, formulatic and mindless.
11 months ago
Anonymous
fr fr Marvel movies be bussin no cap
11 months ago
Anonymous
Says something about how bad wokeshit is then doesnt it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No. 2023 honestly probably has some of the best movies so far. Probably 4.2/5 in average. You're just being jaded because you found out you don't actually like movies. You like the nostalgia older ones give you. If Terminator or Friday came out right now, Cinemaphile would find a way to both trash it and cry about wokeness.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>nooo everyone has the same shit taste i do and hates everything like i do fr fr on god
just put an age restriction on internet usage already
11 months ago
Anonymous
Broccoli head detected. Such a waste of space and oxygen for that generation.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If Terminator or Friday came out right now, Cinemaphile would find a way to both trash it and cry about wokeness.
What a repetitive cope. Download a new one and stop projecting >You like the nostalgia older ones give you. >le nostalgia cope >everything that contradicts my strawmen is bias
If that was true people wouldn't like old movies they have never seen. Movies that were made way before they were born with a wildly different style from the one popularized when they were 12
11 months ago
Anonymous
>repetitive
Where else was that brought up ITT?
>people wouldn't like old movies they have never seen.
You mean like how the only people who like silent films or black and white one are people who were alive in that era.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Where else was that brought up ITT?
It's brought up at least once in every tread and comment section all over internet under similar arguments by some spiteful npc with no argument. >You mean like how the only people who like silent films or black and white one are people who were alive in that era.
Silent movie lack one sensory input and I understand why it would be difficutl to get into them. Black and white stuff is well liked and perfectly accessible to anyone. Nobody has been born in the 50s for 70 years and plenty of people watch and enjoy them.
Plenty of people read and enjoy the Iliad without being 3000 years old
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody has been born in the 50s for 70 years and plenty of people watch and enjoy them.
Plenty of people born in the 50s or raised when b&w media was still regularly aired on television.
>Plenty of people read and enjoy the Iliad without being 3000 years old
Ok, but nobody is really watching or reviewing The Private Life of Helen of Troy (Helen of Troy) (US, 1927) or La regina di Sparta (The Queen of Sparta) (Us/It., 1931) or other silent or b&w adaptations of that book or the odyssey.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Plenty of people born in the 50s or raised when b&w media was still regularly aired on television.
Bullshit. Nobody in the 80s grew up with b&w stuff or knew the actors that were popular in b&w era. Or even the technicolor era. >Ok, but nobody is really watching or reviewing The Private Life of Helen of Troy (Helen of Troy) (US, 1927) or La regina di Sparta (The Queen of Sparta) (Us/It., 1931) or other silent or b&w adaptations of that book or the odyssey.
Oddly specific. And watching the thing on top of a list is easy and therefore will happen more often. Duh
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody in the 80s grew up with b&w stuff
Liar, in the 80s and 90s things like I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Leave It To Beaver, Donna Reed, Patty Duke, and Andy Griffith Show dominated reruns on networks like nick@nite and people raised in the 80s have a lot of nostalgia for those shows while nobody born after the 90s seems to care.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_at_Nite
>Oddly specific.
You are the one that oddly specified the Illiad, so I just pointed out some of the B&W adaptations that nobody watches anymore or cares to review.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Cap. This post ain't bussin, deadass. Ratio. L rizz. Let him cook. *skull emoji*
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The 80s had the worse movies. All of them are campy, formulatic and mindless.
Even if that was true, how bad are modern movies if all of them combined can't hold a candle to 80s stuff?
Not really, if it doesn't take itself seriously and knows how to have fun (i.e. an arny movie) it stops being mid and becomes campy kino. No, judd apatow jokes aren't campy.
I watched those Extraction movies recently, and they really lost some enjoyment ratings from the serious tone they forced upon themselves. You have this guy murdering hundreds of people, and we're supposed to take his emotional moments seriously. That scene man, in the middle of the first movie, where the non-stop action pauses for a brief moment in Hemsworth's buddy's house, and the teen currymuncher is like "I look at my dad at the dinner table and I think he just killed someone else's dad that day and it makes me sick", while sitting right next to this guy who just fricking murdered like 30 dads right in front of the kid that very same day, most of whom were cops just doing their jobs (like it's their fault their boss is corrupt, how are they supposed to know this manhunt is illegitimate?) Like, what the frick is going on here, man? What's this total tonal whiplash? It's so bizarre.
Well with Gillman they literally put the whole damn movie in the trailers. Early Screenings have confirmed that every twist is in the trailers, right down to having it turn out that the racist grandma is in the right and it's okay to go "don't trust THOSE people" to your grandkid provided "THOSE people" look pretty.
Look, Theatres as are dead as... dead. Streaming and piracy are comin back in a real fricking way. Are we Black folk? Is this Inglewood? Because white people who know the difference come here.
we're in a depression, and Disney accidentally trained parents that they can just wait until animated movies come to streaming for free which appears to also be effecting Dreamworks now
>As you can see by all the discussions on this platform about this movie
Maybe a lot of people bought tickets and saw that movie but it's obvious that it didn't leave ANY lasting impression on anyone.
My coworkers were absolutely stoked to see it but the next day, there was nothing from them. I had to ask how the movie was and their response was a half-assed >Avatar?.... Ah, yes, it was OK, I guess...
While on the other hand coworkers came to my desk to tell me how fricking awesome Puss in Boots 2 was.
It's true, mass produced garbage is what sells tickets. Minions + spinoffs are for quirky normies, Fast + spinoffs are for people who like cars but can't afford a decent one, Transformers are for people who like explosions and robots, and capeshit is for 'geeks' who don't like to read comics.
I didn't think Avatar 2 was amazing as a film but it's at least nice to see a movie that is both high budget and actually the product of a person's vision rather than that of a boardroom.
This CG impresses people? Talk about a psy-op. They told everyone "DA BESTEST EFFECTS EVER" so a lot believed it. That's it. They don't look real they look very much animated. They don't look like they're actually touching each other.
No reason to see anything made by Disney, Warner or paramount because it will be on their streaming service in 46 days, the high seas has 2180p copies in about a month after release. They changed the business model and have made theaters even more irrelevant.
It all started to go wrong when EVERY company wants its own way to stream. We've gotten used to there being tons of movies/shows out there that we can't access, and we've decided we're okay with that.
Keep your movies, Dreamworks.
Sorry Hollywood real life is now more moronic and entertaining than anything you're homosexual leftie writers can shit out.
I get enough R rated entertainment from weekly chimp-outs, the war in Ukraine and troonys mutilating themselves.
>Subversion of good and evil >Infiltration into a foreign culture >Group of disgusting subhumans resent a beauty and successful people that are actually evil - the disgusting creatures are sanitized to look appealing >"Le pretty white girl..." >"She le bad?..."
>Noseless main character
Gotta compensate for all the other zionic allegories
People are tightening their belts because of the economy and coming to the realization that virtually every movie that gets released these days is hardcore dog shit.
>Why is everything flopping?
Capitalism. Each film has to do 30% better than the last, otherwise it's considered a flop. Infinite growth, self-destructive ideology, stupidity
Muh capitalism disnt stop Mario from getting to 1.3 billion. Its woke. Woke makes terrible movies and the more it adheres to the woke bible the worse it does.
Mario is a household name. You can make a Legend of Zelda movie with mexican people and it'll make 1 billion. Specially nowadays that all manchildren are treating videogames as Bibles. KEK.
>So is Pixar and Marvel
Didn't know Mario was a company. Didn't know Joker was a company. Didn't know Spiderman was a company. I always forget the level of moronation on this site.
>You can make a Legend of Zelda movie
moron didn't read the part "and you can add mexicans as in-movie characters instead of Koroks and people will go see it because is fricking Legend of Zelda. Nintendo making a movie wasn't to debate because is obvious.
Didnt need a response because I assumed you didnt have down syndrome.
Since i appear to be mistaken I will elucidate you. What you wrote was irrelevant nonesense. Zelda is owned by Nintendo so your scenario will never happen.
Mario didnt do well because it was Mario. It did well because it was a fun decent movie that didnt shit on the brand for the sake of social justice woke points.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Mario didnt do well because it was Mario.
Yes it did, lmao.
>Muh capitalism disnt stop Mario from getting to 1.3 billion
You somehow proved his point though.
When you claim >This movie easily made 1.3 bil
And you imply that this is achievable by every movie maker, then 1.3 bil will become the norm and everything below it will be considered a flop. Thus forcing every producer to earn more than 1.3 bil to be called a success, thus proving his point.
Thank God somebody gets it. Every movie is expected to be the biggest hit of all time and gets budgeted as such, which just sets up the studios to lose everything. Why the FRICK was the budget for Elemental 200 million??? How can a romcom about a living puddle possibly recoup that?
>>Da lil nogmaid flopped
Underperforming is not a flop.
flopped
Yes. >>The flush is flopping
Not woke.
flick is flopping
Not woke.
Let me guess, the Mario movie isn't considered woke either since it made 1.3 billion? How about Scream 6 or The Blackening? Chudcels just keep on changing the definition on what is and isn't woke just to fit their worldview and it's embarrassing.
What was woke about the Mario movie?
There was no LGBT flag anywhere and black people were accurately represented in the movie.
Peach even get kidnapped and Mario has to save her ass.
> the movie show that she doesnt do well when it actually matter
that's not what i heard, can you elaborate?
People say that Peach is a girlboss because she's shown as ultra competent at the start while Mario isnt.
But when it actually matter (against Bowser for example), it isnt enough and Mario has to bail her out.
FYI, Bowser kidnap Peach, she then try to free herself but fail and Mario comes to save the day.
Bowser is so insanely overpowered he obliterates an entire city just by breathing on it. Only with the star could be possibly be defeated. The whole plot is kind of bizarre, where he goes out of his way to find the star just so that he can place the only thing that could defeat him in front of [anyone willing to activate it] so that they can defeat him It isn't Mario that defeats him, but the star. It could've been literally anyone.
Which is all just to say that, Peach is easily the (second, after Bowser) strongest character in the movie. But she just stands around and does nothing most of the time (who isn't she the one fighting Kong, when she's much better than Mario? etc.), so that the other characters have something to do. And then they give Mario a deus ex machina at the end so that he can have seemed to do something useful. But he didn't earn his victory at all, he was just given it by a power that anyone could've used. It was really lame.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>It could've been literally anyone.
Yes but that's the entire point of powerup, they're meant to be used by anyone and Mario is not a chosen one, he's a normal human doing his best. >Peach is easily the (second, after Bowser) strongest character in the movie. But she just stands around and does nothing most of the time (who isn't she the one fighting Kong, when she's much better than Mario? etc.), so that the other characters have something to do.
That's also what she does in the Mario RPG games, it's literally a kid's movie based on a game that was aimed at a younger audience (for its time).
11 months ago
Anonymous
The games are about Mario rescuing her through his own means, not about [anyone] being able to rescue her or her being able to rescue herself. Then there's no point to anything that happens in the games.
hypercompetent characters aren't necessarily woke, but woke characters are often hypercompetent or inexplicably comptent at things.
Grilboss is its own shitty owke trope and its a thing. They made Peach into a girlboss
11 months ago
Anonymous
>They made Peach into a girlboss
Maybe but I still wouldn't call the movie woke.
Economy.
People are poorer and don’t go to the movies every weekend looking for something to do. Fewer people are dating because they can’t afford dinner and a movie. Fewer people are having kids because they’re poor, so they aren’t taking their kids to see kid films.
Quality
The hard reality is a lot of the writing for these films is very bad. The previews don’t make sense, aren’t funny, and don’t temp people to go see the films. Visually these films are off putting. This odd CGI style is unappealing, creepy, or just downright ugly. Nobody wants to pay to see a film with ugly people, even if it’s a cartoon.
Politics
There is a big pushback in America against “woke” messaging. They’re tired of it being shoved in their face or even worse slipped in and they feel tricked. Disney is hurting because a growing number people are boycotting the entire company.
Reasons for THIS SPECIFIC film:
The previews are weird and don’t make a lot of sense. People are asking “wtf is a kraken” or simply wonder WHY make a kraken a main protagonist. The main character is unattractive. Most of the characters in the film are unattractive. “Teenage” in a title worked in the 80’s/90’s but not anymore. Kids are going straight from 9 to 29 and there is no longer a strong teenage social culture in this country. Malls are empty or filled with gang activity, parks are dangerous, video arcades are extinct…
>The hard reality is a lot of the writing for these films is very bad.
This is what all you boomer say and would have said 30 years ago too. I'm sorry you grew up. >There is a big pushback in America against “woke” messaging.
Delusional. Woke movies aren't doing particularly well, but there's no "backlash". Not when Spiderverse BTFOS your entire claim
>Not when Spiderverse BTFOS your entire claim
Whoa! One flick with a black lead is doing well. >Da lil nogmaid flopped >Elemental flopped >The flush is flopping >Kraken flick is flopping
>>Da lil nogmaid flopped
Underperforming is not a flop.
flopped
Yes. >>The flush is flopping
Not woke.
flick is flopping
Not woke.
Let me guess, the Mario movie isn't considered woke either since it made 1.3 billion? How about Scream 6 or The Blackening? Chudcels just keep on changing the definition on what is and isn't woke just to fit their worldview and it's embarrassing.
Not an argument. Literally the only successful movies right now (Spiderverse and The Blackening) are woke.
>>>The flush is flopping >Not woke.
The lead is a woke celebrity though. He regularly cross dresses and is outspoken about being non-binary.
The story itself has nothing to do with wokeness. You're just looking for it
11 months ago
Anomalous
>The story itself has nothing to do with wokeness. You're just looking for it
You really don't think Ezra and his baggage aren't a factor? Most actors are woke, but he definitely stands out compared to them, even ignoring his controversy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You really don't think Ezra and his baggage aren't a factor?
Him choking a woman? Yeah that's definitely a factor. Him being "woke"? No one cares.
11 months ago
Anomalous
>here's the person playing Flash bro
I don't think you are being honest. I'd imagine a lot of fans were turned off by this they/them playing the Flash.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one cares bro. You're just addicted to meme politics and project it into your media taste.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No one cares bro. You're just addicted to meme politics and project it into your media
tell this to the showrunners moron
11 months ago
Anomalous
Telling me I'm wrong isn't an argument and proves nothing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There isn't an argument. You made the absurd claim that doesn't make sense. Please do some basic research before just posting things.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no one cares
the movie is bombing
11 months ago
Anonymous
For other reasons. Are you following the conversation?
11 months ago
Anonymous
There isn't an argument. You made the absurd claim that doesn't make sense. Please do some basic research before just posting things.
>Underperforming is not a flop.
It hasn't reached break even yet, moron. >>>The flush is flopping >Not woke.
Black iris, superdyke and Ezra they/them is woke af
flick is flopping >Not woke.
The love interest is some ugly Black person. And the hot redhead is the villain.
Cope, seethe and dilate troon
As long as there is such hostile denial these movies are going to continue to flop. The writing IS quite bad. Undeniably bad. Undeniably worse than just a few years ago. REALLY bad. As for the politics, people use film as an escape from reality and have found themselves captive audience to political messaging one too many times. In fact I think they’re much more put off by it now. That’s what happens when you push too hard. Our economy is terrible, and people (as pointed out by others) are waiting until movies get released to streaming, but if it’s a GOOD film, if it’s something they think they will enjoy, something “safe” that won’t lecture them, something FUN and something UPLIFTING, they’ll buy a ticket.
I love how the decade of Jason and Freddy movies is telling the newer generation how "basic" and low quality their movies are. Literally zero self awareness.
The Freddy movies were rushed garbage made to keep a new studio afloat and they were still halfway decent with interesting ideas through the 4th movie, without question. Things got weird after that. But the studio money grubbing back then obviously had better results than today
That said I don't want to defend old goyslop over new goyslop, the fact it was marginally better doesn't make it not slop
teenagers as a consumer block were a phenomenon of excess wealth among the middle-class. parents can't afford to waste shit on their teens anymore, so the subculture is dead and gone. for the better, if you ask me. it was always corpo brainwashing designed to subvert parents and families in favour of turning children into mindless consumers.
Which is one of many reasons why I think this film failed. Teenage culture is largely gone. We aren’t getting shows like Saved By the Bell or Sabrina the Teenage Witch anymore. Whoever decided on the title of this thing didn’t do their market research. They shouldn’t have used the words “teenage” or “kraken.” Though truly they just shouldn’t have made the movie at all. It will be forgotten.
Being honest, the name of the movie just doesnt sound that appealing. Still gonna watch it tho, i don't care the box office since i'm not an executive.
Teenage culture has one of the biggest hits out right now, Euphoria. Problem is teen culture right now is hard drugs prostitution and transexuality, which you can't make a pg animated movie about
Euphoria is a c-list turd signal-boosted by terminally online trannies
Real teenage culture is watching clipshows on tiktok, I don't think the average teen has the attention span to even watch euphoria
Yeah videogames are noticing this too, though anime is getting more popular....in the west. You can tell not enough children are being born and anime became escapism since everything is SO ugly
You can even drop in a conversation you watch anime and every normie will say "hey im watching this anime too!"
Watching old movies hurt though, its seeing the Old World that doesnt exist anymore, and even old simpsons are getting disliked since Homer pretended his life was bad despite having a big house, 3 kids and a hot wife
teenagers as a consumer block were a phenomenon of excess wealth among the middle-class. parents can't afford to waste shit on their teens anymore, so the subculture is dead and gone. for the better, if you ask me. it was always corpo brainwashing designed to subvert parents and families in favour of turning children into mindless consumers.
Which is one of many reasons why I think this film failed. Teenage culture is largely gone. We aren’t getting shows like Saved By the Bell or Sabrina the Teenage Witch anymore. Whoever decided on the title of this thing didn’t do their market research. They shouldn’t have used the words “teenage” or “kraken.” Though truly they just shouldn’t have made the movie at all. It will be forgotten.
it's also harder for teenagers to get work, there's older twenty-somethings with nothing but retail experience willing to take shitty jobs due to no alternatives, as well as ESLs who'll also take those jobs and even worse ones
If you're hiring people to cashier or stock shelves, you'd rather go for the 26 year old than the 16 year old
This is has been a problem for most of this decade, but current teens have grown up without expectations placed upon them to get a job at the grocery store or even mcdonalds, they just do nothing and hope they get tiktok famous or whatever
When I was in school a few years ago I applied to every grocery store and all sorts of other jobs and heard back from nothing. I only found a job where my friend worked at a small restaurant. It was incredibly demoralizing that I couldn’t even hear back about being a bag boy when I made good grades and don’t have anything wrong with me.
I have a regal subscription, which is 22 dollars a month, and was at the theater and had already gotten a ticket for the blackening through my app for free. But I was really drunk and couldn't figure out where my ticket was so I bought another one. It was 20 bucks. Most people don't have subscriptions and aren't going to drop a 20 for just any movie they're not sure about when they could watch any random shit at home. They only go to sure things like Mario and Spider-Man. We're headed back to the old OLD school release style, where it's only huge releases and they stay in theaters forever. Avatar 2 was in theaters for 6 months and made it to the #3 spot on the all-time box office. They need to only make a few giant spectacles per year and milk them for all they're worth.
Shitty uninteresting cashgrab films not worth your money, shitty economy, streaming, covid effect which means that more people just stay at home because they've become acustomed to staying at home and entertaining themselves.
Visually it's not appealing at all. My daughter saw a trailer for this and had the same reaction as she did to the Elemental trailer. Said it looks weird.
I am guessing it will be better than Elemental but it looks worse artistically. Everyone can frick right off with the bean mouths too.
There's no money for unnecessary shit unless you're one of the idiots inside the Titanic Submarine. People are saving for the Mission Impossible movie.
Yeah, it's all very funny, because you just know MI isn't going to bomb. And it's not even that popular of a franchise. People are just genuinely tired of eating shit at this point.
>Yeah, it's all very funny, because you just know MI isn't going to bomb.
Tom Cruise has the precedent of Top Gun.
It certainly won't bomb because Tom Cruise is a safe bet for moviegoers. Now crawl back to your third world bed, eat shit and cope.
It’s something I would expect to be released straight to streaming, not as a theatrical release. Before streaming services something odd like this would have gone straight to home video.
The entire plot leaked she ends up with the token Black person. Would have been better if she ended up lezzing out with the last redheaded mermaid in existence
Been Neeting for months after getting enough money and holy shit, put on the tv after ages and everything is ugly, black, fat people. Shows? Interracial, more ugly people, cartoons are weird too, netflix and others include white kids always trying to rape some ugly globina, HBO had an ugly black troony being raped (seriously???) etc
Its been only a few months but holy shit it almost killed my libido. Gaming? They are making more and more globinas too, watched the new Fable trailer and holy mother of god
I'm a millennial so i grew up when you could see Pamela Andersoon boobs jiggling, Xena, Buffy, Sailor Moon pretending to mock my sisters girlish cartoon when I was just fapping to the sailor girls, etc
I also tried to put on a zoomette mindset and I dont remember any cute white chad they could fap to
If I have a kid there wont be internet in my house and I will just configure tv/pc to just stream 90s and earlier movies
I really do not understand the need to make diversity tokens look as ugly as possible. I mean look at
The only people looking forward to it where hoping the kraken girl and the mermaid would hook up. The moment this guy showed up in the newer trailers was the moment all interested died.
I'm not even attractive but I don't wish to be "represented" in movies. It's stupidly easy to make minorities cute looking and they simply fail or refuse to do it every single time.
Been a NEET for 17 years
37 now and I don't care if I don't live past 50 or something, not depressed or anything, well off background, don't need to work and have plenty of time to just dick around and exercise too.
Don't give a shit about modern American cinema and just watch 60s/70s obscurity.
I mean what's the point? I might aswell use the spare time. All the people I grew up with have no opinions or interesting in anything.
I'm not the one broke at 30 something or doing myself in.
The only people looking forward to it where hoping the kraken girl and the mermaid would hook up. The moment this guy showed up in the newer trailers was the moment all interested died.
>The only people looking forward to it where hoping the kraken girl and the mermaid would hook up
Can confirm, that was the only thing I cared about. b***hy popular girls hooking up with/sexually bullying nerdy chicks is the greatest dynamic in fiction
Maybe our societies are becoming too mature for Cape shit and cartoons.
But don't worry manchilds you'll always have video games all the way to the nursing home.
>Genderneutral, ugly, blue Tumblr character good >Pretty, white redhead bad >Every person has the same rights and should be meet with open arms and love, except white people
They don't deserve it any other way
>Genderneutral, ugly, blue Tumblr character good >Pretty, white redhead bad >Every person has the same rights and should be meet with open arms and love, except white people
They don't deserve it any other way
That webm was kinda cute. If the movie was about the kraken and mermaid both being misunderstood and becoming friends lovers(?). It would be more appealing
The bible also says that your parents can kill you if you are an embarrassment to them, so you of all people should not be going around advocating biblical standards.
Is evil Ariel just going to stay evil all the way through? >this objectively hotter redhead character is evil and you shouldn’t be attached to her even though she more closely resembles the classic Little Mermaid
That would be so lame
Yeah, I think this is basically it. Everyone is trying to make complex explanations blaming “Wokeness” or movie quality or unoriginality but I think it boils down to theaters becoming obsolete. Hollywood became so focused on spectacle and franchises that audiences will now only go see a handful of movies every year if it constitutes an “event.” Mario, Top Gun, Avatar, etc. Nothing else profits even remotely as much
nah, people stopped going to movies because movies all suck now. you don't wanna have to sit there for 2++ hours watching inane, ugly garbage.
imagine seeing a trailer for that new mermaid movie, seeing the hideous effects (that fricking splash of water behind her when she's on the rocks? jesus christ how fricking shameful), the dark murky scenery, the grotesque CGI characters, and indeed the hideous abomination that's the main character. would you really wanna go sit in a close room being exposed to that for two hours? of course you fricking wouldn't.
at least Avatar, pure fricking brain-rot though its story is, is pleasing enough to look at
no I'm saying ending up spending an hour 15 on a shit movie is different from spending two hours 15. makes the risk:reward different, which obviously is way worse for shitty-looking movies
No, I addressed it all, you think everything is shit because your focus is shit and watching something requires focus, but all you can manage is seeing if things are shiny.
11 months ago
Anonymous
looking at things that aren't ugly is better than looking at things that are ugly, yes. you're going to pretend this is controversial? compulsive contrarianism can be funny, but here it's just dumb
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes that is definitely true for superficial people who lacks focus.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shit tier bait
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for posting exactly the sort of brief cliched fallacious drivel you would expect to be written by someone who lacks focus and proving me correct.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Could you imagine anything that wouldn't prove you correct?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes I could imagine being not correct, but we don't live in imagination land, we live in reality where I am correct and you lack focus to the point a 2 hour film becomes a major burden.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes I could imagine being not correct
Let's have an example. A hypothetical, if you will.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If I lacked focus like you and were making the arguments you are making as a result, I would hypothetically be just as not correct as you are actually not correct.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Actually, I'll just cut to the chase: You are dumb.
Thank you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks for posting exactly the sort of brief cliched fallacious drivel you would expect to be written by someone who lacks focus and proving me correct.
11 months ago
Anonymous
not a fallacy
11 months ago
Anonymous
It is the lowest of the low namecalling fallacy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that's not a fallacy
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling
It is when you use it as a replacement for the argument you were trying to build.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There wasn't an argument. I just called you stupid.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nope, you cut to the chase and abandoned your argument to do namecalling instead.
Can you come up with a hypothetical where you made a valid argument rather than resorted to name calling?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You haven't done anything but call people names and demonstrate the accuracy of their application to yourself instead.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bringing to your attention your lack of focus and mindfulness while calling out your fallacious arguments and inability to do hypothetical isn't name calling, it is calling out your flaws by name so you can improve yourself and your discourse in the future.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's the one thing modern media sporadically gets right
have a nice day moron
That and, you know, wokeness, movie quality and unoriginality.
the problem is more that wokenes goes against commensense and human nature.
it's like if film makers suddenly started making movies where gratify is reverse or water burns.
every normal person just looks at it is and gets weirded out and confused, even if they claim not to.
I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about how effective the marketing for the mario movie actually was. It was the only movie that was constantly bombarded to me because it knew the target demo was going to be millenials, so they paid off all the small influencers to talk about their show every time they did a little promo
How much does it cost to go to your theatre?
How much is parking?
What is the price of a drink (pay for refills), popcorn, snacks and 3D glasses?
How long are you going to be watching commercials before the commercials start followed by the trailers and then the movie?
How much is on ticket? Now how much is 2? Or 3? Have you spent close to or up to $100 by now?
Is it a guarantee you're going to like the movie?
Is it a guarantee teh audiecne is going to be quiet and respectful, depending on the film you see and which area of the country you are in?
Are you going to be lectured or have woke politics or modern contemporary issues be brought up, no matter what genre the film is or was advertised as?
It's a tech problem. The home experience has caught up to theaters to an acceptable level for normies.
That's why Hollywood is in a mad rush for 8k equipment and 16k development.
wrong on both fronts. Tech, its not visual, resolution is a meme, its Audio, audio is the only thing a theater can invest in that a normie cant afford at home. 2nd, its a israelite problem
>Movies cost too much to go regularly
More like a decent home theater is more accessible than ever and most people have invested in setups that justify waiting and staying in to watch films instead of going out to be in a theater.
That's part of it too, but people still turn out for things they want to see in theaters. Top Gun and Avatar were both mediocre, but they had good pedigrees and a movie theater will be a noticeably better venue than the home theater.
As for this movie specifically, I had no idea it even existed. I can't see something that I've never heard of.
Americans are too focused on the culture war right now to care about movies. This is why Barbie will be extremely profitable and everything else will flop, Barbie is a feminist social commentary on incels and will be watched by everyone
>tumbrtling down
mario movie for reference (non-flop)
also with a few of these the real flopping was the international so much worse loss than shown here
what are some movies to add to this? besides obviously next week boppenheimer and arbie which will be like weird step lines on here that go up ok at the start then dead flat when mission impossible comes out the next weekend
Even my wife’s H cups are flopping more than usual
>wife’s H cups
What does this mean, anon?
That you're ESL (which is fine) and also too low IQ to use google (which is not)
No, it doesn't mean that at all, homosexualanon. It means you are poor at recognising trollish behaviour.
we're in a recession (soon to be a depression)
Don't worry, they'll just redefine what a recession is and we'll be fine.
they literally changed the definition of a depression during the 2008 crash so economic conditions could never be called a depression again
2008 was a depression but called a recession due to the changed definitions
We're this close to the 3rd Great Depression
With 50% of adults aged 28 and younger living with their parents because their jobs don’t pay enough to cover a modest apartment I’m pretty sure we’re already in a Depression. Welfare propped up with fake currency is the only thing keeping soup kitchen lines down and more people off the streets. We’re looking at complete economic collapse in our very near future once the boomers die off (the last stronghold of the middle class). The multiple millions of immigrants crashing in who need jobs and beds to sleep in are something our country wasn’t coping with in prior economic downturns. We are fricked..
if I'm not mistake, employment rates among prime-age men (the most productive demographic) is currently lower than it has been in recorded history.
and nobody seems to care. weird, eh.
You’re not mistaken. Our birthrates are crashing and burning because of it, too. In 20 years our communities will be unrecognizable.
>and nobody seems to care. weird, eh
Most people know about it and care, they just don't think there's anything we can do about it
>and nobody seems to care. weird, eh
Why do you think everybody is addicted to social media? Escapism in their pockets.
Sounds like they're not the most productive demographic then!
Get fricked chud, the future is female
based, I'm 29 and live with my grandma and have no job
suck on that
Same kinda. I think I'll watch Invader Zim tonight. I just failed one of my engineering exams and the only solution is cartoons and doritos
Don't worry, the US got over the Great Depression starting December 1941, I'm sure we'll be fine too!
the us also was about to hit a recession before ww1
The US never fully demobilized after WWII and that allowed for huge economic growth
It does however mean that mobilization won't solve any kind of domestic problems unlike before
Seriously, what the frick is a "great recession" it was a fricking depression
If the 2008 shit was the Second Great Depression then I really don't fear a third one because that shit was tame as frick. I was working in 2008 and kept working throughout it. Wasn't even an issue.
>We're this close to the 3rd Great Depression
I'd say it's more like a continuation of the 2008 collapse, nothing was ever really fixed back then they just kicked the can down the road a bit with debt, immigration, empty words, distraction tricks, etc and, hey look, there's the can right here!
Now there even changing the definition of what a recession is so we can’t even enter recessions anymore
Doesn't really matter when they can just print money and play tricks with the GDP like QE so it never reaches the threshold anyway.
Ironically when hard times hit people are more willing to spend money on kino because it's gonna inflate and lose value very fast anyway.
nah, now to be a depression we have to be under a blue moon and aliens from alpha centauri had to invade us on a wednesday and all their ships have to be red
>Formerly Chuck
Thanks Joe
No, and this is exactly what every single media outlet will regurgitate.
These movies are flopping because they are clearly no-effort garbage films without an iota of creativity behind them. The public recognizes this, even if subconsciously. Don’t let the media write this off as a mere economic problem. This is a creative problem.
Why title it like this? Just make it Kraken or Teenage Kraken
You wouldn't know she was a israelite if her name wasn't in the title.
The original title was Meet the Gillman's. DreamWorks changed it from a movie about a family to a more action-oriented movie about a teenager.
Funnily enough that name was kept as the subtitle in the Spanish version for the movie
American movies are over. Too woke.
don't know
don't care
not my money
climate change is a b***h.
Avatar and top gun 2 raised expectations
Both of those movies were mid tho. You could've just said Spiderverse.
Every Arnold flick is mid too.
Ok broccoli head. Ayo this flick fina be mid af. Fr fr. Deadass no cap.
>WOW DID YOU SEE ARNOLD EXPLODE X THING WOW THIS MOVIE IS SO HECKIN KINO!
The 80s had the worse movies. All of them are campy, formulatic and mindless.
fr fr Marvel movies be bussin no cap
Says something about how bad wokeshit is then doesnt it.
No. 2023 honestly probably has some of the best movies so far. Probably 4.2/5 in average. You're just being jaded because you found out you don't actually like movies. You like the nostalgia older ones give you. If Terminator or Friday came out right now, Cinemaphile would find a way to both trash it and cry about wokeness.
>nooo everyone has the same shit taste i do and hates everything like i do fr fr on god
just put an age restriction on internet usage already
Broccoli head detected. Such a waste of space and oxygen for that generation.
>If Terminator or Friday came out right now, Cinemaphile would find a way to both trash it and cry about wokeness.
What a repetitive cope. Download a new one and stop projecting
>You like the nostalgia older ones give you.
>le nostalgia cope
>everything that contradicts my strawmen is bias
If that was true people wouldn't like old movies they have never seen. Movies that were made way before they were born with a wildly different style from the one popularized when they were 12
>repetitive
Where else was that brought up ITT?
>people wouldn't like old movies they have never seen.
You mean like how the only people who like silent films or black and white one are people who were alive in that era.
>Where else was that brought up ITT?
It's brought up at least once in every tread and comment section all over internet under similar arguments by some spiteful npc with no argument.
>You mean like how the only people who like silent films or black and white one are people who were alive in that era.
Silent movie lack one sensory input and I understand why it would be difficutl to get into them. Black and white stuff is well liked and perfectly accessible to anyone. Nobody has been born in the 50s for 70 years and plenty of people watch and enjoy them.
Plenty of people read and enjoy the Iliad without being 3000 years old
>Nobody has been born in the 50s for 70 years and plenty of people watch and enjoy them.
Plenty of people born in the 50s or raised when b&w media was still regularly aired on television.
>Plenty of people read and enjoy the Iliad without being 3000 years old
Ok, but nobody is really watching or reviewing The Private Life of Helen of Troy (Helen of Troy) (US, 1927) or La regina di Sparta (The Queen of Sparta) (Us/It., 1931) or other silent or b&w adaptations of that book or the odyssey.
>Plenty of people born in the 50s or raised when b&w media was still regularly aired on television.
Bullshit. Nobody in the 80s grew up with b&w stuff or knew the actors that were popular in b&w era. Or even the technicolor era.
>Ok, but nobody is really watching or reviewing The Private Life of Helen of Troy (Helen of Troy) (US, 1927) or La regina di Sparta (The Queen of Sparta) (Us/It., 1931) or other silent or b&w adaptations of that book or the odyssey.
Oddly specific. And watching the thing on top of a list is easy and therefore will happen more often. Duh
>Nobody in the 80s grew up with b&w stuff
Liar, in the 80s and 90s things like I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, Leave It To Beaver, Donna Reed, Patty Duke, and Andy Griffith Show dominated reruns on networks like nick@nite and people raised in the 80s have a lot of nostalgia for those shows while nobody born after the 90s seems to care.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_at_Nite
>Oddly specific.
You are the one that oddly specified the Illiad, so I just pointed out some of the B&W adaptations that nobody watches anymore or cares to review.
Cap. This post ain't bussin, deadass. Ratio. L rizz. Let him cook. *skull emoji*
>The 80s had the worse movies. All of them are campy, formulatic and mindless.
Even if that was true, how bad are modern movies if all of them combined can't hold a candle to 80s stuff?
Not really, if it doesn't take itself seriously and knows how to have fun (i.e. an arny movie) it stops being mid and becomes campy kino. No, judd apatow jokes aren't campy.
I watched those Extraction movies recently, and they really lost some enjoyment ratings from the serious tone they forced upon themselves. You have this guy murdering hundreds of people, and we're supposed to take his emotional moments seriously. That scene man, in the middle of the first movie, where the non-stop action pauses for a brief moment in Hemsworth's buddy's house, and the teen currymuncher is like "I look at my dad at the dinner table and I think he just killed someone else's dad that day and it makes me sick", while sitting right next to this guy who just fricking murdered like 30 dads right in front of the kid that very same day, most of whom were cops just doing their jobs (like it's their fault their boss is corrupt, how are they supposed to know this manhunt is illegitimate?) Like, what the frick is going on here, man? What's this total tonal whiplash? It's so bizarre.
frfr no cap on god?
nice bait
Actually top tier Black personbait
but spiderverse is lower than mid
>avatar
Kekest of keks
he clearly means “raised expectations financially”
Next time they should get Tom Cruise or James Cameron on their fricking movie.
Also, don't use corporate art on a kids movie, what the frick.
Those two subpar movies being a success just prove that everything is bad now
Coming directly off of "What if Ariel was blackwashed": "What if Ariel remained ginger but was an evil bully?"
It got woke. It went broke. Many such cases.
Link?
Spiderverse is murdering all the summer releases.
is it really doing that well?
no
wait, they made a shitty horsegirl sequel to Spirit?
Man I really liked spirit as a kid
It won't
Krussy
Because you touch yourself at night.
Well with Gillman they literally put the whole damn movie in the trailers. Early Screenings have confirmed that every twist is in the trailers, right down to having it turn out that the racist grandma is in the right and it's okay to go "don't trust THOSE people" to your grandkid provided "THOSE people" look pretty.
Look, Theatres as are dead as... dead. Streaming and piracy are comin back in a real fricking way. Are we Black folk? Is this Inglewood? Because white people who know the difference come here.
Dead as disco or Beanie Babies or MySpace etc etc
underrated
Anon, Hollywood has been dead for 5 years.
we're in a depression, and Disney accidentally trained parents that they can just wait until animated movies come to streaming for free which appears to also be effecting Dreamworks now
Avatar: The Way of Water didn't flop.
>As you can see by all the discussions on this platform about this movie
Maybe a lot of people bought tickets and saw that movie but it's obvious that it didn't leave ANY lasting impression on anyone.
My coworkers were absolutely stoked to see it but the next day, there was nothing from them. I had to ask how the movie was and their response was a half-assed
>Avatar?.... Ah, yes, it was OK, I guess...
While on the other hand coworkers came to my desk to tell me how fricking awesome Puss in Boots 2 was.
It's true, mass produced garbage is what sells tickets. Minions + spinoffs are for quirky normies, Fast + spinoffs are for people who like cars but can't afford a decent one, Transformers are for people who like explosions and robots, and capeshit is for 'geeks' who don't like to read comics.
I didn't think Avatar 2 was amazing as a film but it's at least nice to see a movie that is both high budget and actually the product of a person's vision rather than that of a boardroom.
Jimbo is going to lose soon enough. His grift will not last forever.
avatar TWOW has soul which is a very important difference
>avatar
>soul
pick one
This CG impresses people? Talk about a psy-op. They told everyone "DA BESTEST EFFECTS EVER" so a lot believed it. That's it. They don't look real they look very much animated. They don't look like they're actually touching each other.
Yeah, because its a good movie
Nah. It's becasue everything else is worse. Not the same thing
According to Red Letter Media, it did. Red Letter Media said that James Cameron and Disney bought their own tickets to inflate sales.
jimbo is next 2 levels
No reason to see anything made by Disney, Warner or paramount because it will be on their streaming service in 46 days, the high seas has 2180p copies in about a month after release. They changed the business model and have made theaters even more irrelevant.
It all started to go wrong when EVERY company wants its own way to stream. We've gotten used to there being tons of movies/shows out there that we can't access, and we've decided we're okay with that.
Keep your movies, Dreamworks.
exactly! which is why all those streaming sites are highly successful, and these companies have easily met their subscription goals, right?
Sorry Hollywood real life is now more moronic and entertaining than anything you're homosexual leftie writers can shit out.
I get enough R rated entertainment from weekly chimp-outs, the war in Ukraine and troonys mutilating themselves.
The rapping seagull was kino and I'm tired of pretending that it wasn't.
Comedic relief is LE BAD
Comedy?
>The rapping seagull was kino
No, it wasn't.
A raping seagull would have been, though.
No, ducks are nature's apex rapist, not gulls.
1. Ugly art style.
2. Completely unknown IP
3. Ugly noseless main character - she should be CUTE.
If they were smart they'd have budgeted this around 70-100 making it very likely to profit
Puss n Boots 2 was around 100 millies so I can't see this being any higher.
>Subversion of good and evil
>Infiltration into a foreign culture
>Group of disgusting subhumans resent a beauty and successful people that are actually evil - the disgusting creatures are sanitized to look appealing
>"Le pretty white girl..."
>"She le bad?..."
>Noseless main character
Gotta compensate for all the other zionic allegories
It's ugly as shit that's why
People are tightening their belts because of the economy and coming to the realization that virtually every movie that gets released these days is hardcore dog shit.
>Why is everything flopping?
Capitalism. Each film has to do 30% better than the last, otherwise it's considered a flop. Infinite growth, self-destructive ideology, stupidity
Muh capitalism disnt stop Mario from getting to 1.3 billion. Its woke. Woke makes terrible movies and the more it adheres to the woke bible the worse it does.
Mario is a household name. You can make a Legend of Zelda movie with mexican people and it'll make 1 billion. Specially nowadays that all manchildren are treating videogames as Bibles. KEK.
that stupid booted cat wasn't a household name yet it made bank
Puss in boots 2 was ABSOLUTE kino. I went in expecitng nothing, and it's actually a 9-10 movie. So damn good.
Those panic attacks. What a rush of PTSD-kino
If I hadn't watched Puss in Boots 2 on the 2nd January 2023 but instead in 2022, it would have shared my personal #1 spot with Top Gun: Maverick
>Mario is a household name
So is Pixar and Marvel
>You can make a Legend of Zelda movie
They will. Marios box office ensured this.
>So is Pixar and Marvel
Didn't know Mario was a company. Didn't know Joker was a company. Didn't know Spiderman was a company. I always forget the level of moronation on this site.
Being pedantic because you don't actually have a point to make. Classic /tveddit/
>You can make a Legend of Zelda movie
moron didn't read the part "and you can add mexicans as in-movie characters instead of Koroks and people will go see it because is fricking Legend of Zelda. Nintendo making a movie wasn't to debate because is obvious.
Didnt need a response because I assumed you didnt have down syndrome.
Since i appear to be mistaken I will elucidate you. What you wrote was irrelevant nonesense. Zelda is owned by Nintendo so your scenario will never happen.
Mario didnt do well because it was Mario. It did well because it was a fun decent movie that didnt shit on the brand for the sake of social justice woke points.
>Mario didnt do well because it was Mario.
Yes it did, lmao.
>Muh capitalism disnt stop Mario from getting to 1.3 billion
You somehow proved his point though.
When you claim
>This movie easily made 1.3 bil
And you imply that this is achievable by every movie maker, then 1.3 bil will become the norm and everything below it will be considered a flop. Thus forcing every producer to earn more than 1.3 bil to be called a success, thus proving his point.
Thank God somebody gets it. Every movie is expected to be the biggest hit of all time and gets budgeted as such, which just sets up the studios to lose everything. Why the FRICK was the budget for Elemental 200 million??? How can a romcom about a living puddle possibly recoup that?
What was woke about the Mario movie?
There was no LGBT flag anywhere and black people were accurately represented in the movie.
Peach even get kidnapped and Mario has to save her ass.
I suppose Peach being a girlboss was the woke aspect but that had more to do with shitty cliched kids movie writing than politics
That's the personality she has in the Mario RPG games and the movie show that she doesnt do well when it actually matter.
> the movie show that she doesnt do well when it actually matter
that's not what i heard, can you elaborate?
girlboss peach
Is a meme.
People say that Peach is a girlboss because she's shown as ultra competent at the start while Mario isnt.
But when it actually matter (against Bowser for example), it isnt enough and Mario has to bail her out.
FYI, Bowser kidnap Peach, she then try to free herself but fail and Mario comes to save the day.
Bowser is so insanely overpowered he obliterates an entire city just by breathing on it. Only with the star could be possibly be defeated. The whole plot is kind of bizarre, where he goes out of his way to find the star just so that he can place the only thing that could defeat him in front of [anyone willing to activate it] so that they can defeat him It isn't Mario that defeats him, but the star. It could've been literally anyone.
Which is all just to say that, Peach is easily the (second, after Bowser) strongest character in the movie. But she just stands around and does nothing most of the time (who isn't she the one fighting Kong, when she's much better than Mario? etc.), so that the other characters have something to do. And then they give Mario a deus ex machina at the end so that he can have seemed to do something useful. But he didn't earn his victory at all, he was just given it by a power that anyone could've used. It was really lame.
>It could've been literally anyone.
Yes but that's the entire point of powerup, they're meant to be used by anyone and Mario is not a chosen one, he's a normal human doing his best.
>Peach is easily the (second, after Bowser) strongest character in the movie. But she just stands around and does nothing most of the time (who isn't she the one fighting Kong, when she's much better than Mario? etc.), so that the other characters have something to do.
That's also what she does in the Mario RPG games, it's literally a kid's movie based on a game that was aimed at a younger audience (for its time).
The games are about Mario rescuing her through his own means, not about [anyone] being able to rescue her or her being able to rescue herself. Then there's no point to anything that happens in the games.
hypercompetent characters aren't necessarily woke, but woke characters are often hypercompetent or inexplicably comptent at things.
Grilboss is its own shitty owke trope and its a thing. They made Peach into a girlboss
>They made Peach into a girlboss
Maybe but I still wouldn't call the movie woke.
Mexicans
>cute redhead is the villain
>cute redheads are replaced by hideous Black folk
why do they hate redheads so much bros?
You think that big nose playdough b***h is cute?
????
how can it flop if it's not even out yet?
They predict the flopping, it's a very sophisticated numerical science
wtf is this
Most accurate 3D recreation of one of our biggest allies
a little representation for our progeria sisters
This is all White Supremacy and Trump's fault.
finally, someone with the balls to say it
You're welcome, goy.
General reasons:
Economy.
People are poorer and don’t go to the movies every weekend looking for something to do. Fewer people are dating because they can’t afford dinner and a movie. Fewer people are having kids because they’re poor, so they aren’t taking their kids to see kid films.
Quality
The hard reality is a lot of the writing for these films is very bad. The previews don’t make sense, aren’t funny, and don’t temp people to go see the films. Visually these films are off putting. This odd CGI style is unappealing, creepy, or just downright ugly. Nobody wants to pay to see a film with ugly people, even if it’s a cartoon.
Politics
There is a big pushback in America against “woke” messaging. They’re tired of it being shoved in their face or even worse slipped in and they feel tricked. Disney is hurting because a growing number people are boycotting the entire company.
Reasons for THIS SPECIFIC film:
The previews are weird and don’t make a lot of sense. People are asking “wtf is a kraken” or simply wonder WHY make a kraken a main protagonist. The main character is unattractive. Most of the characters in the film are unattractive. “Teenage” in a title worked in the 80’s/90’s but not anymore. Kids are going straight from 9 to 29 and there is no longer a strong teenage social culture in this country. Malls are empty or filled with gang activity, parks are dangerous, video arcades are extinct…
>The hard reality is a lot of the writing for these films is very bad.
This is what all you boomer say and would have said 30 years ago too. I'm sorry you grew up.
>There is a big pushback in America against “woke” messaging.
Delusional. Woke movies aren't doing particularly well, but there's no "backlash". Not when Spiderverse BTFOS your entire claim
>Not when Spiderverse BTFOS your entire claim
Whoa! One flick with a black lead is doing well.
>Da lil nogmaid flopped
>Elemental flopped
>The flush is flopping
>Kraken flick is flopping
>>Da lil nogmaid flopped
Underperforming is not a flop.
flopped
Yes.
>>The flush is flopping
Not woke.
flick is flopping
Not woke.
Let me guess, the Mario movie isn't considered woke either since it made 1.3 billion? How about Scream 6 or The Blackening? Chudcels just keep on changing the definition on what is and isn't woke just to fit their worldview and it's embarrassing.
The absolute cope and denial
Not an argument. Literally the only successful movies right now (Spiderverse and The Blackening) are woke.
The story itself has nothing to do with wokeness. You're just looking for it
>The story itself has nothing to do with wokeness. You're just looking for it
You really don't think Ezra and his baggage aren't a factor? Most actors are woke, but he definitely stands out compared to them, even ignoring his controversy.
>You really don't think Ezra and his baggage aren't a factor?
Him choking a woman? Yeah that's definitely a factor. Him being "woke"? No one cares.
>here's the person playing Flash bro
I don't think you are being honest. I'd imagine a lot of fans were turned off by this they/them playing the Flash.
No one cares bro. You're just addicted to meme politics and project it into your media taste.
>No one cares bro. You're just addicted to meme politics and project it into your media
tell this to the showrunners moron
Telling me I'm wrong isn't an argument and proves nothing.
There isn't an argument. You made the absurd claim that doesn't make sense. Please do some basic research before just posting things.
>no one cares
the movie is bombing
For other reasons. Are you following the conversation?
dishonest lefty psychos go and stay go
>>>The flush is flopping
>Not woke.
The lead is a woke celebrity though. He regularly cross dresses and is outspoken about being non-binary.
>Underperforming is not a flop.
It hasn't reached break even yet, moron.
>>>The flush is flopping
>Not woke.
Black iris, superdyke and Ezra they/them is woke af
flick is flopping
>Not woke.
The love interest is some ugly Black person. And the hot redhead is the villain.
Cope, seethe and dilate troon
How the frick was scream woke?
Elemental is about an Asian girl getting bleached
No woke person likes it. It's basically a chud fantasy
As long as there is such hostile denial these movies are going to continue to flop. The writing IS quite bad. Undeniably bad. Undeniably worse than just a few years ago. REALLY bad. As for the politics, people use film as an escape from reality and have found themselves captive audience to political messaging one too many times. In fact I think they’re much more put off by it now. That’s what happens when you push too hard. Our economy is terrible, and people (as pointed out by others) are waiting until movies get released to streaming, but if it’s a GOOD film, if it’s something they think they will enjoy, something “safe” that won’t lecture them, something FUN and something UPLIFTING, they’ll buy a ticket.
I love how the decade of Jason and Freddy movies is telling the newer generation how "basic" and low quality their movies are. Literally zero self awareness.
Even if the 80s were all and only Freddy and Jason, your shit would still come out embarassed in comparison
The Freddy movies were rushed garbage made to keep a new studio afloat and they were still halfway decent with interesting ideas through the 4th movie, without question. Things got weird after that. But the studio money grubbing back then obviously had better results than today
That said I don't want to defend old goyslop over new goyslop, the fact it was marginally better doesn't make it not slop
maximum cope
Good synopsis
teenagers as a consumer block were a phenomenon of excess wealth among the middle-class. parents can't afford to waste shit on their teens anymore, so the subculture is dead and gone. for the better, if you ask me. it was always corpo brainwashing designed to subvert parents and families in favour of turning children into mindless consumers.
Which is one of many reasons why I think this film failed. Teenage culture is largely gone. We aren’t getting shows like Saved By the Bell or Sabrina the Teenage Witch anymore. Whoever decided on the title of this thing didn’t do their market research. They shouldn’t have used the words “teenage” or “kraken.” Though truly they just shouldn’t have made the movie at all. It will be forgotten.
Being honest, the name of the movie just doesnt sound that appealing. Still gonna watch it tho, i don't care the box office since i'm not an executive.
Teenage culture has one of the biggest hits out right now, Euphoria. Problem is teen culture right now is hard drugs prostitution and transexuality, which you can't make a pg animated movie about
Euphoria is a c-list turd signal-boosted by terminally online trannies
Real teenage culture is watching clipshows on tiktok, I don't think the average teen has the attention span to even watch euphoria
Yeah videogames are noticing this too, though anime is getting more popular....in the west. You can tell not enough children are being born and anime became escapism since everything is SO ugly
You can even drop in a conversation you watch anime and every normie will say "hey im watching this anime too!"
Watching old movies hurt though, its seeing the Old World that doesnt exist anymore, and even old simpsons are getting disliked since Homer pretended his life was bad despite having a big house, 3 kids and a hot wife
it's also harder for teenagers to get work, there's older twenty-somethings with nothing but retail experience willing to take shitty jobs due to no alternatives, as well as ESLs who'll also take those jobs and even worse ones
If you're hiring people to cashier or stock shelves, you'd rather go for the 26 year old than the 16 year old
This is has been a problem for most of this decade, but current teens have grown up without expectations placed upon them to get a job at the grocery store or even mcdonalds, they just do nothing and hope they get tiktok famous or whatever
When I was in school a few years ago I applied to every grocery store and all sorts of other jobs and heard back from nothing. I only found a job where my friend worked at a small restaurant. It was incredibly demoralizing that I couldn’t even hear back about being a bag boy when I made good grades and don’t have anything wrong with me.
Tickes aren't cheap, streaming is cheap
I have a regal subscription, which is 22 dollars a month, and was at the theater and had already gotten a ticket for the blackening through my app for free. But I was really drunk and couldn't figure out where my ticket was so I bought another one. It was 20 bucks. Most people don't have subscriptions and aren't going to drop a 20 for just any movie they're not sure about when they could watch any random shit at home. They only go to sure things like Mario and Spider-Man. We're headed back to the old OLD school release style, where it's only huge releases and they stay in theaters forever. Avatar 2 was in theaters for 6 months and made it to the #3 spot on the all-time box office. They need to only make a few giant spectacles per year and milk them for all they're worth.
>Avatar 2 was in theaters for 6 months and made it to the #3 spot on the all-time box office.
Now adjust for inflation
The point was movies are going to have to stay in theaters longer to make their money back
Shitty uninteresting cashgrab films not worth your money, shitty economy, streaming, covid effect which means that more people just stay at home because they've become acustomed to staying at home and entertaining themselves.
I don't even watch movies and TV anymore
I only came here to shitpost
IT IS YOUR DESTINY!
Visually it's not appealing at all. My daughter saw a trailer for this and had the same reaction as she did to the Elemental trailer. Said it looks weird.
I am guessing it will be better than Elemental but it looks worse artistically. Everyone can frick right off with the bean mouths too.
Because everything is a political message and nothing is fun anymore
How did they even make this movie without Disney suing the frick out of them?
Because they just established that Ariel is not necessarily a very specific person. Really fricked themselves.
So any company can have a white redheaded mermaid in their movie and it's ok as long as they dont call her Ariel?
>So any company can have a white redheaded mermaid in their movie and it's ok as long as they dont call her Ariel?
Yes?
You can make a movie about a teenage boy going to wizard school or a robot from the future trying to murder you in the present too
Ariel is black, stupid
Maybe people have finally wised up that most of these movies just aren't worth a very expensive movie ticket?
no film has made a profit since 2019, not a single one
No film has ever made a profit because of Hollywood accounting.
There's no money for unnecessary shit unless you're one of the idiots inside the Titanic Submarine. People are saving for the Mission Impossible movie.
Yeah, it's all very funny, because you just know MI isn't going to bomb. And it's not even that popular of a franchise. People are just genuinely tired of eating shit at this point.
>Yeah, it's all very funny, because you just know MI isn't going to bomb.
Tom Cruise has the precedent of Top Gun.
It certainly won't bomb because Tom Cruise is a safe bet for moviegoers. Now crawl back to your third world bed, eat shit and cope.
Brown hands typed this. You're the one who has the reading comprehension of a third-worlder, shithead.
so who exactly does this appeal to? e
Gen Alpha.
How many years after the Reset Generation do they come in?
It’s something I would expect to be released straight to streaming, not as a theatrical release. Before streaming services something odd like this would have gone straight to home video.
Haha I'll go throw up now
Obese, 30 year old lesbians.
>ruby gillman
Isn't king blueberry busy with other things?
Well shit, I guess I'm adding Ruby Gillman to Robot Gorillaman's list of names now.
The entire plot leaked she ends up with the token Black person. Would have been better if she ended up lezzing out with the last redheaded mermaid in existence
She'd be kraken the mermaid open
Link to the plot leak?
The mermaid lubes up guppy girl's bean-mouth and rams a 5 foot dildo down her throat.
Nvm found it. My expectations were low but holy frick
I'm going to take an edible and watch this at the kinoplex haha funny color people
Been Neeting for months after getting enough money and holy shit, put on the tv after ages and everything is ugly, black, fat people. Shows? Interracial, more ugly people, cartoons are weird too, netflix and others include white kids always trying to rape some ugly globina, HBO had an ugly black troony being raped (seriously???) etc
Its been only a few months but holy shit it almost killed my libido. Gaming? They are making more and more globinas too, watched the new Fable trailer and holy mother of god
I'm a millennial so i grew up when you could see Pamela Andersoon boobs jiggling, Xena, Buffy, Sailor Moon pretending to mock my sisters girlish cartoon when I was just fapping to the sailor girls, etc
I also tried to put on a zoomette mindset and I dont remember any cute white chad they could fap to
If I have a kid there wont be internet in my house and I will just configure tv/pc to just stream 90s and earlier movies
I really do not understand the need to make diversity tokens look as ugly as possible. I mean look at
I'm not even attractive but I don't wish to be "represented" in movies. It's stupidly easy to make minorities cute looking and they simply fail or refuse to do it every single time.
Been a NEET for 17 years
37 now and I don't care if I don't live past 50 or something, not depressed or anything, well off background, don't need to work and have plenty of time to just dick around and exercise too.
Don't give a shit about modern American cinema and just watch 60s/70s obscurity.
I mean what's the point? I might aswell use the spare time. All the people I grew up with have no opinions or interesting in anything.
I'm not the one broke at 30 something or doing myself in.
The only people looking forward to it where hoping the kraken girl and the mermaid would hook up. The moment this guy showed up in the newer trailers was the moment all interested died.
>The only people looking forward to it where hoping the kraken girl and the mermaid would hook up
Can confirm, that was the only thing I cared about. b***hy popular girls hooking up with/sexually bullying nerdy chicks is the greatest dynamic in fiction
Forced Diversity: The Movie is flopping????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Looks like a knockoff movie made for straight to DvD bargain bins that grandmothers mistake for the real thing. Just 10 years too late
Even normies know the theatrical window is too short. They’re training people to just wait for streaming
I'd watch it if the hadn't made all the characters look like literal dogshit, what a bunch of ugly mother frickers, no wonder they worship the siren
It looks boring as frick thats why
Maybe our societies are becoming too mature for Cape shit and cartoons.
But don't worry manchilds you'll always have video games all the way to the nursing home.
>unironic boomer comic posting
Manbaby detected.
>Genderneutral, ugly, blue Tumblr character good
>Pretty, white redhead bad
>Every person has the same rights and should be meet with open arms and love, except white people
They don't deserve it any other way
I couldn't help but notice your discussion and would like to interject that I would rape Chelsea with full force in her vegana, mouth, and ass.
this looks great in isolation but like others said, then
make me feel sick. the blackness is not even the problem here
That webm was kinda cute. If the movie was about the kraken and mermaid both being misunderstood and becoming friends lovers(?). It would be more appealing
Most fish have cloacae, some have papilla, but none have veganas.
dolphins have veganas
Dolphins aren't fish, butthorn.
the bible says they are
The Bible is for the feeble-minded
I mean the dolphin bible
Oh, then it's legit.
The bible also says that your parents can kill you if you are an embarrassment to them, so you of all people should not be going around advocating biblical standards.
That would mostly kill woketards
She is half fish, not half dolphin, dolphins don't have scales, fish do.
So do the fish lend them the scales when they want to measure stuff?
Did it cost 200 millions too?
Because it all SUCKS
It's fricking BAD and they DON'T GIVE A SHIT
>Pam Brady
Here's your writer anon
She wrote the South Park movie too you jerk
>Why is everything flopping?
Did you really believe that handing creativity over to computers and computer geeks, would work?
Do boomers really think Terminator is creative?
The cute mermaid is the villain and the nerdy fish girl gets blacked, nothing went right about that one.
Lockdowns made most people realize how expensive and tedious going to the theater is.
I'm not supporting pedophiles. I rather just pirate if it's even worth it to watch.
>I'm not supporting pedophiles
>Posts anime
it can't flop if it's not out yet
I think the kraken girl is really cute. That is all.
Is evil Ariel just going to stay evil all the way through?
>this objectively hotter redhead character is evil and you shouldn’t be attached to her even though she more closely resembles the classic Little Mermaid
That would be so lame
Modern movies are too stupid to appeal to the top and midwits and too demanding to compete with tiktok in appealing to the lowest common denominator.
I think movie theaters are just dying out, and a movie like Mario making bank will be a rare event.
I think I'm too busy shitposting to go to several movies a year.
The combination of the pandemic and Trolls 2 hitting streaming first instead of theaters exposed what a bullshit scam theaters were.
Yeah, I think this is basically it. Everyone is trying to make complex explanations blaming “Wokeness” or movie quality or unoriginality but I think it boils down to theaters becoming obsolete. Hollywood became so focused on spectacle and franchises that audiences will now only go see a handful of movies every year if it constitutes an “event.” Mario, Top Gun, Avatar, etc. Nothing else profits even remotely as much
nah, people stopped going to movies because movies all suck now. you don't wanna have to sit there for 2++ hours watching inane, ugly garbage.
imagine seeing a trailer for that new mermaid movie, seeing the hideous effects (that fricking splash of water behind her when she's on the rocks? jesus christ how fricking shameful), the dark murky scenery, the grotesque CGI characters, and indeed the hideous abomination that's the main character. would you really wanna go sit in a close room being exposed to that for two hours? of course you fricking wouldn't.
at least Avatar, pure fricking brain-rot though its story is, is pleasing enough to look at
>2++ hours
So your attention span is fricked and everything sucks as a result of your lack of focus?
no I'm saying ending up spending an hour 15 on a shit movie is different from spending two hours 15. makes the risk:reward different, which obviously is way worse for shitty-looking movies
>le epic deflection
So you agree with all the other points you didn't address?
Good to know
No, I addressed it all, you think everything is shit because your focus is shit and watching something requires focus, but all you can manage is seeing if things are shiny.
looking at things that aren't ugly is better than looking at things that are ugly, yes. you're going to pretend this is controversial? compulsive contrarianism can be funny, but here it's just dumb
Yes that is definitely true for superficial people who lacks focus.
Shit tier bait
Thanks for posting exactly the sort of brief cliched fallacious drivel you would expect to be written by someone who lacks focus and proving me correct.
Could you imagine anything that wouldn't prove you correct?
Yes I could imagine being not correct, but we don't live in imagination land, we live in reality where I am correct and you lack focus to the point a 2 hour film becomes a major burden.
>Yes I could imagine being not correct
Let's have an example. A hypothetical, if you will.
If I lacked focus like you and were making the arguments you are making as a result, I would hypothetically be just as not correct as you are actually not correct.
Actually, I'll just cut to the chase: You are dumb.
Thank you.
not a fallacy
It is the lowest of the low namecalling fallacy.
that's not a fallacy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_calling
It is when you use it as a replacement for the argument you were trying to build.
There wasn't an argument. I just called you stupid.
Nope, you cut to the chase and abandoned your argument to do namecalling instead.
Can you come up with a hypothetical where you made a valid argument rather than resorted to name calling?
You haven't done anything but call people names and demonstrate the accuracy of their application to yourself instead.
Bringing to your attention your lack of focus and mindfulness while calling out your fallacious arguments and inability to do hypothetical isn't name calling, it is calling out your flaws by name so you can improve yourself and your discourse in the future.
That's the one thing modern media sporadically gets right
have a nice day moron
>at least Avatar is pleasing enough to look at
those fricking blue alines are HIDEOUS to look at, main reason why I don't like avatar
That and, you know, wokeness, movie quality and unoriginality.
the problem is more that wokenes goes against commensense and human nature.
it's like if film makers suddenly started making movies where gratify is reverse or water burns.
every normal person just looks at it is and gets weirded out and confused, even if they claim not to.
Both can be true.
Theaters can be becoming obsolete which is making it harder to get people to show up to watch self-hating propaganda.
I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone talk about how effective the marketing for the mario movie actually was. It was the only movie that was constantly bombarded to me because it knew the target demo was going to be millenials, so they paid off all the small influencers to talk about their show every time they did a little promo
How much does it cost to go to your theatre?
How much is parking?
What is the price of a drink (pay for refills), popcorn, snacks and 3D glasses?
How long are you going to be watching commercials before the commercials start followed by the trailers and then the movie?
How much is on ticket? Now how much is 2? Or 3? Have you spent close to or up to $100 by now?
Is it a guarantee you're going to like the movie?
Is it a guarantee teh audiecne is going to be quiet and respectful, depending on the film you see and which area of the country you are in?
Are you going to be lectured or have woke politics or modern contemporary issues be brought up, no matter what genre the film is or was advertised as?
It's a tech problem. The home experience has caught up to theaters to an acceptable level for normies.
That's why Hollywood is in a mad rush for 8k equipment and 16k development.
wrong on both fronts. Tech, its not visual, resolution is a meme, its Audio, audio is the only thing a theater can invest in that a normie cant afford at home. 2nd, its a israelite problem
>Why is everything flopping?
Inflation and quality.
Movies cost too much to go regularly, so people hold off until they're sure they can get their money's worth. Most films aren't worth the price.
>Movies cost too much to go regularly
More like a decent home theater is more accessible than ever and most people have invested in setups that justify waiting and staying in to watch films instead of going out to be in a theater.
That's part of it too, but people still turn out for things they want to see in theaters. Top Gun and Avatar were both mediocre, but they had good pedigrees and a movie theater will be a noticeably better venue than the home theater.
As for this movie specifically, I had no idea it even existed. I can't see something that I've never heard of.
Black person fatigue
You can only see brown people, lgb and female empowerment so much before you just tune out entirely. Not even the lesbian porn will save this film.
>Why is everything flopping?
It's because everything is bad
ugly art style
over explained trailer that tells you the entire story
ugly black love interest/bf
stupid fricking plot
why wouldnt this flop?
Americans are too focused on the culture war right now to care about movies. This is why Barbie will be extremely profitable and everything else will flop, Barbie is a feminist social commentary on incels and will be watched by everyone
the american empire is collapsing in real time
everything is political and completely one sided
President* Biden
Anime won.
Vagermaids
Turns out the people who screeched over Black little mermaid the hardest don't actually go out and see animated films with female leads LOL
>tumbrtling down
mario movie for reference (non-flop)
also with a few of these the real flopping was the international so much worse loss than shown here
what are some movies to add to this? besides obviously next week boppenheimer and arbie which will be like weird step lines on here that go up ok at the start then dead flat when mission impossible comes out the next weekend
Why always furries? Isn't being a pedo enough?
companies are to busy fighting "gender norms" and replacing heroic depictions of white men then actually making good movies.
>make terrible movies no one likes
>WTF WHY WONT YOU WATCH THEM
>give WB a perfectly good fan script
>they refused to use it even though I told them they could have it for free
So dumb
it costs like 40 dollars to go to the movies nowadays
frick that, especially for some fricking trash like this or elemental
Too much supply not enough demand.