Why is he so easily forgiven, what the frick

Why is he so easily forgiven, what the frick

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not forgiven, Mark is working through his feelings

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Christianity allegory
      Omniman is god, mark is jesus

      He's not really forgiven (yet). Aside from the hug, Mark spends pretty much the entire time seething at him.
      That said, I get the feeling they're reaping what they sowed for changing the order of events back in season 1. As I understand it, a bunch of stuff they did in S1 before Nolan left happened after Nolan left in the comics. But with how they've adapted it, barely anything has happened between Nolan leaving and Mark meeting him again. Thus it all feels kinda hasty and awkward.

      He's not though. It's hard to let go of the feelings of your dad acting like a normal dad all your life.
      Mark's dialogue was "what the frick. frick you" for 10 minutes of the episode after this.

      he killed thousands of people among other things. You still don't give such a person a hug of "im glad you're at least alive"

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's completely understandable why some people would think like this. Me, personably, I'd have done the same thing Mark did and give Nolan a hug, that despite all the terrible things he did and said back on Earth, I still missed him and loved him still. It sucks that they made Mark lash out at his father in the animated series (totally justified though, I'm not saying it isn't) whereas in the comics he was more forgiving of him when they meet again.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          reading the comics I felt Mark got over it way too quickly. When you amp up the warpath Omni Man went on last season, show-Mark has to respond proportionally.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He grabbed the boy and used him to bludgeon a trainfull of people to death.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why did they feel the need to add that scene?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Because the story is about being edgy and hip

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Without it we'd have a thousand "he did nothing wrong" threads.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              To make the story less ambiguous. Omniman must be an evil irredeemable nazi

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mark hates what his father did and makes it clear he never wants to see him ever again
        He just can't bring himself to outright want to see his father die

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stop being actually racist. Viltrumite psychology is different from a human's. You can't hold him to the same standards as people, but you can work towards them accepting our values. It's actually no different from all the human conflicts stemming from first contacts with other cultures.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lol

          He never comes back. He self-exiles, if I remember right. Debbie fricks the shit out of omniman when she finally meets up with him during the cosmic arch where they frick off to space.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Deb knows she can't do any better than a angry demigod.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Stockholm syndrome is literally not real

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          not a real thing, anon

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          stockholm syndrome was invented by the police authority to justify why hostages began to sympathize with the plight of their kidnappers. The people involved were released from being hostages and said "hey, those guys might be right, their cause is pretty just" and that wasn't going to be allowed to be the narrative so they invented the notion of stockholm syndrome. It's not real.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was more of a situation where the hostage taker was nicer then the cops and instead of dealing with the fact cops don't give a shit about the hostage it was easier to blame savanna syndrome... aka made up shit.

            Let me put it this way... if modern cops were in this situation, the dude wearing the babies would care more about their lives then the cops would.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's completely accurate, well put

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        You still love Vegeta don't you? You think Vegeta is the best Dragonball character ever, right? You shouldn't talk

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Frick Bejita, he’s a pathetic loser jobber who never wins

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Vegeta has literally never lost to Goku ever

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Is that really saying much considering he has always loses to the major antagonists?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Fricking kneel, you rat.

              ?si=7OSZ5LcTtHga-tUK

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I guess he just accidentally dropped his knee on the floor all those consecutive times.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Good thing I don’t base my morality on fricking anime

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Black person, he just murdered a bunch of people in cold blood and he just feel bad for it to be forgiven? Yeah, I bet the famillies of all those he butchered would be thrilled to hear that.

        It's called UNCONDITIONAL LOVE morons
        I know everyone on Cinemaphile is autistic but holy shit why you guys got to be anal retentive as well

        For example I would still love my sister if she murdered some people. It's whatever.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's no such thing as unconditional love, everyone has limits. What you mean is mental illness.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            if you think about it, everything that can be considered totally good would be also considered as insanity:
            >inconditionally love
            >true faith
            >full forgiveness
            >complete honesty
            >total generosity
            >unrestless perseverance

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          If my sister used me as a goddamn battering ram for her murders I would hold zero love for her after that. You're a lunatic.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You think anons have ever received unconditional love?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          ~~*unconditional love*~~ is a concept pushed by people ruled by satan to get inexperienced normies (including failed normies such as yourself) justify staying in abusive relationships of all kinds. It's a cope. Cartoons =/= reality but people will only take away what they wish to take away from watching certain media, and they subconsciously take this in as their own experiences. For example, realistically, you cannot be a psychopath/cluster b while being a genuinely loving father. Cluster B's do not know love. Anyone that has ever dealt with narcissists or any cluster B of any kind knows this by firsthand experience. What cluster B's say "Love" they actually mean control or fear. The character omniman in the show is obviously not a realistic depiction of an actual cluster B/loving but harsh at time father, because if you know people, as in, if you've met enough people to get the gist of how they are in general, you'd know that characters like nolan do not exist in real life, they cannot exist. But people like you will use a fake ass cartoon show like this one to push a concept to real people about 'unconditional love' when it's talking about a (remember, FAKE) cartoon character that killed millions of people in the show, and beat his son to near death, you use this character, out of all the examples you could have used, to exemplify this "unconditional love"? The only love that is in nature for love to be expressed unconditionally is from God himself. Not people.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >For example I would still love my sister if she murdered some people. It's whatever.
          Would you forgive your sister right away like mark did in the show if she killed thousands of people using your face as a shield giving you severe ptsd and she beat the everloving pulp out of you too.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >president of america orders thousands of deaths
        >implying his family doesn't still give a shit

        Humans are more complicated and contradictory than your socially moronic NEETbrain can comprehend, I'm afraid. Your inability to understand this is a sign that you're a sociopath.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Adding that subway scene in season 1 was a mistake.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Adding? That was from the OG comic.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, the part where Omniman holds Invincible, using him like a plow through a moving subway train? That's show original. In the comic they do crash through a subway tunnel, crush part of one train and derail several others, but no Mark Knife through Human Butter.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              that's a top 3 scene in the entire show though

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                maybe to an idiot

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mark loves his father.
        He hates Omniman.

        That's why he hugs Nolan, then tells him to frick off.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity allegory
    Omniman is god, mark is jesus

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s not even how it works in christianity

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He isn't? Besides that hug, Mark was pretty damn hostile

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not really forgiven (yet). Aside from the hug, Mark spends pretty much the entire time seething at him.
    That said, I get the feeling they're reaping what they sowed for changing the order of events back in season 1. As I understand it, a bunch of stuff they did in S1 before Nolan left happened after Nolan left in the comics. But with how they've adapted it, barely anything has happened between Nolan leaving and Mark meeting him again. Thus it all feels kinda hasty and awkward.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    He's not though. It's hard to let go of the feelings of your dad acting like a normal dad all your life.
    Mark's dialogue was "what the frick. frick you" for 10 minutes of the episode after this.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Loves his dad more than his mother.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    By mark, both earth and ventronites want him dead

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Forgiving people is in the nature of humanity. Mark showing his father that humanity is exactly what he needs to redeem him.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Black person, he just murdered a bunch of people in cold blood and he just feel bad for it to be forgiven? Yeah, I bet the famillies of all those he butchered would be thrilled to hear that.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        The other viltrumites would be 1,000x worse if they come for earth

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just you wait until Mark makes that body count look like nothing

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    People who abandon their family just because they might've killed a couple of randos they've never seen in their life are genuine sociopaths.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Might've
      You made it sound like there's a chance Nolan didn't kill multiple people right in front of Mark.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Technically Mark's face did

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Your face kills mutillions of people and you have to live with it

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    he didn't murder all the bug people as revenge? I'm incredible dissapointed

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Look at it this way, Nolan was piece of shit to Mark for like a few months compared to the nearly two decades of being a great father.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think some people might be more concerned about the whole "mass murderer" and "traitor to an entire planet" thing. Your focus is weird.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        and the "your mom was a pet" thingy.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          That's just the truth

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Man, I don't care what fricked up shit Mom and Dad get up to, i'm just happy for them they still have an active love life and don't want to know shit about it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I mean that in the most literal way possible

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Women should be property.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's the power of family. Something atheists wouldn't understand
    My father could rape me and I'd hug him like Mark

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My father could rape me and I'd hug him like Mark

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >sanest trad cath

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      You mistook your father with your Father

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most self-respecting cultist.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      average christicuck

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      this guy is literally part of a right-wing psyop.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >That's the power of family. Something atheists wouldn't understand
    >My father could rape me and I'd hug him like Mark

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it OK for Vegeta to murder thousands and be forgiven despite not even feeling a bit sorry about what he did while Omni-Man gets shit on by Mark despite him clearly trying to improvd

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vegeta didn't get forgiven so much as, oh frick evil superman came back, just ignore him and maybe we will live. Also, DragonBalz rez and maybe they erase memories? it's unclear.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vegeta took ages to actually be forgiven by anyone, people just didn’t badger him about it because he was still VERY EVIL during the Cell saga and they didn’t want to put themselves on his shit list.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vegeta killed himself in a way where he was sure he was never coming back.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        death is meaningless in dragon ball and only 1 guy would be strong enough to punish him and he's mentally moronic. It a similar case here but they should have focus more on Mark and Nolan having an alliance of convince to defeat the viltrumites over having mark kinda sorta be cordial with him.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because Dragon Ball is anime and all anime is fricking terrible except for a few scant isolated unique ones. Stuff like Miyazaki films are just good because Miyazaki knows what he's doing, but outside of a handful of interesting ideas in certain shows, like Lupin (Crime heist content), outside of those all anime is absolute shit. Unapologetically garbage.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          this, except with cartoons, movies, vidya, novels and comics

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Miyazaki is a moronic pedo, witness TRVE anime kino.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        He wasn't forgiven he was told that for his crimes he was going straight to hell and that his actions of trying to save others at the last minute did not redeem a life time of being a piece of shit.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because he took the Bugpill

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Getting a lot of "he a good boy, ant dun nuffin wrong, he on dem programz and you can't judge him on his worst day" energy here.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What are the chances Mark never forgives his father or love him again in the animated adaptation

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its Dragon Ball. Vegeta literally blew up planets and killed millions. Now he's a good dad living on earth. I never saw the Invincible comics but I assume the montage we saw in the episode was longer and had more detail in the comics.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hate how any time this series gets too moronic to defend through argument, the blame immediately lands on Dragon Ball. Despite most of the connections being pretty specific and not reflecting the overall story telling or content.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How does everyone else (Debbie, Cecil, Guardians) react when he comes back?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      He never comes back. He self-exiles, if I remember right. Debbie fricks the shit out of omniman when she finally meets up with him during the cosmic arch where they frick off to space.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Debbie forgives and just becomes wiener puppet.
      Cecil comes to agreement he can never step foot on Earth.
      Guardians are all dead and he has no connections to new ones. Doesn't meet up with Immortal. Think he interacts with robot during the whole hostage situation.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's not like he can beat his dad up

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    if he doesn't forgive his dad then what will he have after 500 years?

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You don't get to call me son anymore
    >Noooo why are you with another woman, what about me and mom
    Make up your mind

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The backlash isn't as bad as I expected. Personally, I still hate Omni-Man no matter how sappy the story tries to make him. You can't just move on from this.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that murderers in real life are expected to be forgiven by society once they have done their time.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        no they are not.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          There's a reason why the western world doesn'f execute criminals anymore, and why they are released eventually. If all murder was "unforgivable", then we'd just kill the killer and be done with it.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            frick off moron, the reason murder's aren't executed is because people believe its inhumane and there is a possibly they might have been falsely convicted. Serial murderers are always held for life without the chance of parole, literally unforgivable

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              That and also sometimes the position that the social contract doesn't extend to granting the state the power of arbitrary death over its members.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is this bad but it's all right for Vegetal to literally blast a huge chunk of a stadium, giving him a similar body count

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vegeta had the excuse of being somewhat under the control of someone else and the fact that all of the victims were resurrected later on. Also the fight against Buu happened shortly after with him being a key player in defeating him, which served as a sort of redemption for him.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          And Omniman killed three Viltrumites to protect a planet

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because Vegeta wasn't fully forgiven or redeemed in Dragon Ball till near the end of the Buu arc. He just stuck around because Bulma had the hots for him and nobody could really stand up to him except Goku who was gone for long periods of time.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      But he's really sorry about that

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vegeta literally didn't apologize for anything and yet people are happy to ignore all the bad shit he did because he became better. Meanwhile all people do is talk about how Omni-Man is irredeemable

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          In Dragonball death also doesn't matter because there literally is an eternal afterlife and also magic balls (Dragonball) that bring everyone back. So Vegeta never really killed anyone and killing people in Dragonball isn't so bad anyway

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            So because they can be brought back it was fine for Vegeta to murder people?

            Vegeta had the excuse of being somewhat under the control of someone else and the fact that all of the victims were resurrected later on. Also the fight against Buu happened shortly after with him being a key player in defeating him, which served as a sort of redemption for him.

            He was barely under mind control, considering he stopped fighting Goku to stop Buu. And again, people being resurrected shouldn't excuse Vegeta.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              No it's not, but it's also not as bad as in a universe where people can't be brought back. It's more like punching someone. Yeah you suck, but ultimately it's inconsequential

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                it doesnt erase the crime dude
                >the victim cant remember that she was raped, she doesnt have any violence marks nor trauma, because the drugs used on her, but there is a security camera that recorded all,
                >ay lmao it doesnt matter because its inconsequential
                also, the dragon balls are still a legend about common people, so they dont know they will be resurrected.

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Omni Man grows up in biltrumite culture for 1,000 years
    >Chimps out and acts like a viltrumite when conflicted that the other viltrumites might kill his family if the planet doesn't kneel
    Literally, not metaphorically, socio-economic factors.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Literally a thousand years of indoctrination
      >Spends 20 years on Earth
      >Is now literally ready to fight like 50 other guys as strong as him or stronger just to be a dad
      Just what sort of autism did Debbie instill into Nolan?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Just what sort of autism did Debbie instill into Nolan?
        What asian pussy does to a mfer

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Human pussy is just something else

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Fricking kek. I hope this is exactly what it looks like.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            it is EXACTLY what it looks like

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pussy and love. This is why Kregg is based. He bred the frick out of a dozen women and he loves every one of them. And he wasn't an idiot like Nolan who took years to figure it out and had a manbaby outburst before crying and flying off to space.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            huh, now that you mention it, Kregg might actually be a better person than Nolan

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              I mean if you give them the character development gimme of "they are fundamentally not human, and have spent hundreds of years being indoctrinated into a society that as a baseline part of their ideology does not value love and compassion, but given the opportunity individuals of their species can and will discover the value of love and their inner humanity" then yeah, I guess I would argue that Krieg is a better person than Nolan. Plus, he got more pussy, which is a non-zero factor in him being a better person.

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    They made the omni-man fight more dramatic by having him actively go out of his way to waste people to torment mark and teach him a lesson- I understand that they did this to give the scene more emotional punch and serve as a good climax to the season, but it makes everything that comes after harder to swallow. Nolan's civilian kills in the comic were collateral damage, he just doesn't really care about them. Using Mark as a weapon to kill a subway full of people is so insanely malicous I'm not sure how they thought it was a good idea when the rest of the story necessitates Mark coming to terms with him.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Characters act weird and unorganic because the characters are driven by plot, not the other way around.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    so fricking tired of thirdaries. You didn't read the comic and you didn't watch the show. You're just here to rage bait or got this from some youtuber.
    Either that or you are genuinely braindead.

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Once I realized that no thread prompts are sincere and they're all intended to get people to respond angrily, I started to no longer like this site. It's like youtubers baiting people into drama, except even less understandable because we're all anonymous here. This all sucks.

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nolan is still his father, and Mark still has decades of time spent loving him
    Mark see's that Nolan isn't beyond saving but is still seething at what he did, but at least he aint dead yet
    There are families that excuse horrible shit all the time

    Plus they are actual warmonger aliens so what his dad did was actually kind of nice in comparison
    Might even have a stronger stomach for violence considering their bodies are basically designed for intergalactic war

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Love forgives everything. Love is always trusting, and always hoping, and never gives up.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    > mass murdering faceless civvies good
    > being stern supe daughters about the importance of codes and earning your own keep bad
    simple as really, Mark would be able to forgive Nolan if he was mean to him or anti-abortion

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    At least show Mark wasn't 100% ok with everything like comic book Mark was

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Mark immediately tells him to frick off after this

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    God, Anissa is going to make this series discourse unbearable.

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