The Lord of the Rings books were way more popular before the movies came out than Warhammer is now. They were best-sellers. Led Zeppelin, one of the biggest bands of the 1970s, wrote multiple songs referencing those books. Warhammer is a lot more niche, I think.
There are 0 women who like warhammer, even the self-described 'nerd girls.' Its one of the remaining exclusively male hobbies. On top of that, it only appeals to a very small subset of males anyway. It will never appeal to women, unless they show them playing it in an episode of Stranger Things or some contrived dumb nostalgic shit like that.
You say it's niche and yet clickbait warhammer 40k video essays sit on youtube with millions of views. Just admit you like this shit because the algorithm force fed it to you, cattle.
The only person i have ever seen talk about warhammer (besides cavill, he is an anomoly) was chris on fishtank, and his extreme autism makes it sound incredibly stupid and basic because he talks about it with the same enthusism as he does star wars and DBZ
This is untrue. They are not afraid of Warhammer, they have known about it for decades but it was unfilmable, like fricking orders of magnitude above Lord of the Rings in scale. Only recently has the technology to adapt it become feasible, and GW is sanitizing the setting with Guilliman wank and the gay Primaris helmets. It will eventually be adapted for general audiences, which saddens me as the extreme brutality of the setting was what made it so captivating.
Hobby stores can be found all over the world but how many people do you know who actually partake in that sort of activity? I've only known one person who assembles model ships my whole life and I have acquaintances in the upper hundreds
>dude it’s super dark and edgy there’s tons of blood and gore bro it’s so cool and the best part, there’s NO black people!! Hella fricken epic!
Gay grimdark bullshit for edgy Redditor manchildren to waste their money and lives playing with dolls. Frick off.
I will never stop being mad that turboautists made them literally coal black and not just african looking
I even hate Black folk I just think its fricking moronic
Salamanders and Vulkan are coal black. The population of Nocturne, the Salamanders' primary recruiting world, are of black ethnicity, however. The celestial Lions chapter are also black, and there are likely other chapters recruiting from primarily ethnically-black worlds as well. Plus there's black marines scattered throughout other chapters here and there, like Jonah Orion from the Blood Ravens.
>are of black ethnicity
no >The Celestial Lions chapter are also black
no >and there are likely other chapters recruiting from primarily ethnically-black worlds as well. Plus there's black marines scattered throughout other chapters here and there, like Jonah Orion from the Blood Ravens.
no, no and no
>I will never stop being mad that turboautists made them literally coal black
You are a lorelet. Salamanders are like that because of a chapter mutation from a feature that modern gw wants to forget. The skin tone of normal space marines should shift from albino to giga black depending on the amount of solar radiation present, but that would apparently offend people. Salamanders' gene for that is borked though so their skin turns dark and stays dark. I think they should really go back to letting 40k have its fricked up future themes than try to appeal to modern politics
They are typically great energy weapons, way more than what they appear on the surface level, everything is 10x overpowered and cranked up to 11 in 40K anon.
In the middle ages people would use maces, warhammers and axes against knights to great effect if the person wielding it was skilled. One famous case was Robert the Bruce before the battle of Bannockburn. He literally split the skull in two of an armored knight who was charging him at full speed, which fricked up his favorite axe. 40k tries to tap into stuff like this, like the whole universe is an 80's metal album cover.
The entire setting is built around different groups acting moronic for deeply religious or cultural reasons.
Look at the orks. They fight with random pieces of scrap metal because it is 'cooler' than using proper weapons.
Imperials strap 500lbs of random decorations to their armor for the same reasons.
This is the actual reason, Hollywood hacks want good IP they can then ruin with their “vision”. This has already hit the skids and can’t be redeemed to some normalcy by hacks and they know it. Not saying it doesn’t have some good elements but that won’t carry it.
>okay, so what if there's this one spacemarine who's a woman and she's stronger than everybody else? >oh yeah, and then all the other male spacemarines think she's weak because she's a woman >exactly, then we have a scene where she maybe beats up three male spacemarines and everybody sees how strong she is? >okay, hear me out... what if she's black? >omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah! >75% critic score, 12% viewer score >cancelled after the first season
Theres like 700 Warhammer 40k/Horus Heresy books, and several of the examples on your list are freaky demons or literal robots, and most of the lesbians are written as coom bait not progressivism.
Sexual degeneracy explicitly will cost you your soul in the setting.
Lmao, most of these characters are evil, insane or their "preferences" are purely tactical. Like the "they/them" thing from Requiem Infernal is actually multiple people due to demonic possession. Like it's a regular woman, but she has an evil spirit in her subconscious that gives her superpowers and shit.
>>okay, so what if there's this one spacemarine who's a woman and she's stronger than everybody else? >>oh yeah, and then all the other male spacemarines think she's weak because she's a woman
, then we have a scene where she maybe beats up three male spacemarines and everybody sees how strong she is? >>okay, hear me out... what if she's black? >>omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah! >meanwhile GW
>>okay, hear me out... what if she's black? >>omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah!
there is an ACTUAL skype group call of people like this where a troony goes >I've always seen poison ivy as trans
and all the roasties go >OMG, THAT'S GENIUS!
pariah nexus is pretty good so far, at least it looks cool. same with the game
anyway black people and girls dont play warhammer so they're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot and piss off their actual clients which is me: racist white neckbeard in my 30s
I don't see the problem with this. The Imperium has always had nonwhite people in it (White Scars, Salamanders, the inquisitor and Jonah Orion from DoW), and they literally don't give a frick what race you are as long as you're human and not a mutant or heretic. The Ultramarines recruit from 100 different worlds. Are you trying to suggest that not one of them has black people on it? I hate forced diversity as much as anyone, but a complete lack of black people makes no sense for 40k's setting.
>Salamanders
Whites whose skin has turned black and eyes are red. >The Ultramarines recruit from 100 different worlds. Are you trying to suggest that not one of them has black people on it?
Yes, they're Romans.
>a complete lack of black people makes no sense for 40k's setting
Why? It's a fantasy world. There's nothing about the black race that makes them essential.
It's a fantasy setting where humanity has settled literally millions of planet and where enough time has passed that many settlements have adapted to their environments and sometimes diverged radically from the standard home sapiens genetics. It makes no sense that a basic mutation like increased melanin in skin wouldn't have occurred on planets with areas with strong UV radiation, just like it did on Earth.
If it ever gets made there will be black people in it. Make your peace with it now. It's better to make your peace with it now then to let everybody hear your b***hing and moaning later.
why do warhammergays think their "lore" is super deep? It's just a few rulebooks like any other RPG setting. And most of it is just a rip-off homosexual.
>assuming something has to be deep to be interesting
midwit fallacy at display, some of the best fiction is genius in its simplicity and ease of digestion
It's not deep or super complicated, but there is a demonstrable shittload of it moreso than any other game ip in that there's a 90 book series and a couple hundred other books built around it. Can you name a single other ip that has that many books written about it? I don't even think dnd has that many for Forgotten Realms.
> Discworld, Moorwiener Multiverse, Judge Dredd, Star Trek
No >Star wars
Searching online I think they're unironically tied/about the same at this point, but 40k is probably ahead since these counts probably don't count rule books as lore.
>No
Yes. Discworld is 40 books. Multiverse and Star trek both have over a hundred novels and short stories. Judge dredd has been ongoing since the 70s and has spawned tons of tie in comics set in the same universe.
It's not "deep" but all of its core subjects (of which there is a lot) are all connected to each other. Which makes it hard to talk about one thing without talking about the others if someone has no prior knowledge of any of it.
I feel like the Attenborough Lore channel has rendered all of this edgy shit done by nerds to be even more cringe than it used to be. It's significantly more funny and informative than anything like this.
This is one of the better vids imo because at times it feels like an actual nature documentary, just with surreal, horrific and hilarious moments. That's when this channel is at its absolute best.
What great knowledge do you need?
Many of the best directors started as basically kids.
Directing is an administrative job that requires you to be a good organizer, it isn't a trade or technically involved job on its own.
What would real life women know about being the most honorable and devoted members of society.
They definitely wouldn’t connect to being raised in raised in bordering schools when the smartest and most pure orphan girls are pushed to their physical limits like special force training/med school intense religious and scientific training the sisters get.
>They definitely wouldn’t connect to being raised in raised in bordering schools when the smartest and most pure orphan girls are pushed to their physical limits like special force training/med school
Its basically Black Widow's live from the MCU, only it was le sad and tragic for her and would need to be like starship troopers on screen
Gamesworkshop keep getting 90% of the way to closing the deal on a film franchise then one of the hollywood guys asks if the Imperium are the good guys and all the GW execs sperg out so hard it kills the whole thing
is the Imperium even fascist anymore? when was the last time they glassed someone for not being human? Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship and everyone has to deal with it
if anything this is more like the Chaddest SS officer has taken the reigns from a general on life support and it's about to get even more fascist. Just less moronic and pointlessly evil as well, you know, simultaneously.
>Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship
That's the khan
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Why not both?
>Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship and everyone has to deal with it
Black person that is just fanwank
Until the Eldar codex comes out.
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Emperor definitely overreacted to Xenos. There ARE decent ones humanity could exist with if racial supremacy wasn't Imperium's name of the game. Tau have the sensible approach with this thing as they've federated with dozens of alien species to mutual benefit.
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The xenos and mutants bad thing was literally just because they were ripping off Judge Dredd. It was never intended to make much sense
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I think it's more because humanity was enslaved by aliens at one point. They just decided to play it safe in the future.
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That's one of the in universe justifications added in the Horus heresy (which only started being published in the 2000s) but the actual reason is they were ripping off "edgy" sci-fi that was popular at the time such as Judge Dredd, nemesis the warlock and paranoia 1st edition.
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the decent ones were wiped out by the Imperium
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Tau are dumb b***hes who are going to get donkey punched the second one of the big factions stop playing with kid gloves with them
And they also put out a press release saying that it's all satire and that the Imperium definitely aren't the good guys
If you asked ten senior games workshop employees if the imperium were the good guys you'd get ten different answers
>posts a pic of tyranids and smurfs, aka the two most BOOOOORING parts of 40k
True 40k kino is normal humans having to deal with chaos corruption, preferably in an aesthetics mixing occultism and religious symbolism.
It's good how in the lore sometimes it is hinted that they have no free will at all and have lost almost everything that made them human or exceptional. The Hammer and Bolter episode did this very well. It really ups the grim (and dark) of the decaying Imperium. Gives me rust belt vibes tbh
Woke english, translating, >gender-neutral third-person pronoun, typically used to refer to someone who identifies as non-binary (a choice to identify as neither man nor woman) >party in a relationship with more than two partners, term is meant to juxtapose against the monogamous equivalent of paramour >gender neutral way to invoke master/mistress, typically for someone who identifies as non-binary
It's lame but is lame in a consistent way, they ideologically don't like gendered words and will butcher existing ones to try to strip them from English
> meterosexual
Made up concept that attempts to conflate men who indulge in their own vanity with homosexuals. It's not gay to use colonge and wear expensive clothes. They obviously do it to get laid.
There's an aesthetic difference between guidos who use shit like chapstick and shiny israeliteelry and a "well kept man" in a tuxedo but you already knew that.
>Trannies like [thing] >[thing] is now troony franchise
Brainrot. There's a reason GW released that stupid "wArHaMmEr Is FoR eVeRyOnE" memo.
Salamanders and Vulkan are coal black. The population of Nocturne, the Salamanders' primary recruiting world, are of black ethnicity, however. The Celestial Lions chapter are also black, and there are likely other chapters recruiting from primarily ethnically-black worlds as well. Plus there's black marines scattered throughout other chapters here and there, like Jonah Orion from the Blood Ravens.
Investors have, in recent years, shown interest in putting their money where their values lie while simultaneously avoiding portfolios engaged in risky, unethical or socially irresponsible practices. This sustainable investment strat-ACK!
Then they can lose even more money can't they >i-its about the
No, they can't do shit without money. The people at the top are incompetent. It's not rocket science.
The setting is not supposed to be tasteful. The setting is supposed to be max edgy rated NC-17 nonsense. It should be explicitly for adults and hyper violent and hyper sexual when it comes to things like slaanesh and the dark eldar. They need to make dark eldar models explicitly engaged in BDSM on the battlefield for it to be lore accurate
Better question: How is a franchise that's never been featured in a television or film Cinemaphile related? It seems like 40kgays just want to shill their rip-off garbage everywhere. Do your job and move this to /tg/ jannies.
netflix done it and its filled with women and other moronic shit >b-but muh whatever sisters
exactly for it to work they HAVE to shove that shit in there and we all have to pretend that it was an organic choice
1. It isn't Warhammers aesthetic. Gothic sci-fi comes from heavy metal magazine
2. The emperor canonically killed Christianity and all other religions in the Horus heresy books
>The emperor canonically killed Christianity and all other religions in the Horus heresy books
Yeah but religion is still a heavy recurring theme in all the books, most of it referring to the traditional Christian God in its imagery/comparisons to the Emperor
Warhammer simply cannot be adapted to film. It will never work in a way that can be taken seriously when actually visualized outside of 2 minute cutscenes that set an epic tone. I'm sure Henry Cavil is a fan, and would hope he has the best of intentions, but I question whether it's actually possible at all, and I don't have high expectations.
>when any faction's lowest tier enemies are described as being able to cut through it like butter
They're not though, every scene with Imperial militia fighting A space marine describes about two dozen of them having to gang up to take one down (with more than half of them dying,) same goes for similar forces.
Two dozens conscripts' lives are nothing compared to what is invested in making one Space Marine, who at minimum have been training for twenty years and had thousands of hours invested in making them the best possible soldier.
It depends on the space marine really, some are a couple hundred years old, others are only like 3 or 4 years old. The older ones are typically gonna take a hell of a lot more to take out obviously
>others are only like 3 or 4 years old
Add a zero to these numbers. Future SM can start training as pre-puberty kids but they'll be doing years of training and ten years in a scout company at least. The rookies of the rookies are still at least 30.
Unless you count the Daemoncubala... we don't talk about it
They can't, that's what I really liked about the Astartes series. It wasn't these huge hulking man-tanks getting one-shotted or cut down with anything with an edge to build some plot. Astartes depicted them as impossibly fast, extremely hard to kill death machines with a core that still vaguely resembled a human, albeit more like an 8 foot tall angry and heavily roided Olympic athlete than an man.
GW seems to be making a definitive effort too keep everything grimdark so I doubt it. Sure, they do the occasional moronation like the kid's spinoff books, but the main line of product looks like its still staying grimdark
Would Starship Troopers work as a 40k movie if you replace the arachnids with tyranids, throw in more sadness in the civilian life, and more dark religious reliefs everywhere?
Women tend to love Helsreach and Astartes, some of the newer animations from Warhammer tv have decent female viewership as well. But they have to be up for grimdark.
I'm just saying that some of them are sentient human beings and enjoy good fiction even if it's not what they are typically drawn to. Helsreach is soulful, Astartes is brutal and surreal (and short) and many of them who watch these will like them. Many Western and LATAM women who see something like this will enjoy it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=99tOSmaNSJg
The Tau are unironically strictly the goodguys. At worst they're slightly colonial, but in the scheme of 40k they're less bad than many actual real life factions that have existed, let alone any 40k factions.
>unironically strictly the goodguys.
dont they have an illuminati that literally brainwashes everyone into doing their bidding? its like north korea tier
No, and they keep adding grimdark stuff to the Tau so people don't think they're the good guys. If you don't assimilate into their heirarchy, you disappear.
I'm not going to sit here and have an american 18yo who hates immigrants and non-whites complain to me about how assimilation is a bad thing you subhuman scum.
I Feel like theres still a bit of a contradiction cause Tau society is still prettty good living. I mean the humans liked it so much that enough of them moved to the Tau part of the galaxy and accidentally made a baby chaos god
>If you don't assimilate into their heirarchy, you disappear.
More like they commit diplomacy at the end of long rifles. They're still the good guys. It's weird how you can flip a Hive world by basically offering people what amounts to basic standard of life.
>you don't have to recycle and eat your dead anymore
>No, and they keep adding grimdark stuff to the Tau
Because they were supposed to be the "good" faction and it made grimdark babies and imperium gays throw a tantrum
I think the infamous "fish of fury" and other ridiculous shit in their first codex (when people actually gave a frick about the tabletop game) did more to damage Tau acceptance than anything else
>no good guys
This is just absurd. Every story has a protagonist, they just aren't constrained to a kind of simplistic dualism like Star Wars. I genuinely don't see how someone could look at one of the better examples of lore and rule it out as wholly immature or whatever. There are immature elements to be sure but that's also one of the things that makes 40k fun. An 8 ft demigod with a chain sword fighting space elves is at least as mature as something like Stargate, just cranked up to fricking 11 on the elements that make it cool to see or imagine.
But they are simplistic as they play out in shit like Star Wars or the majority of Spielberg's movies for instance. There is more room in 40k to tell nuanced, character-driven stories than any sci-fi universe out there really. Pic related
Sure but the good thing about science fiction is that stories can be quite layered. Most episodes of say Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits and etc could be very simplistic, but some had more to chew on and weren't these boring, drawn out events like in Star Trek. Different perspectives can be taken and jt gets people talking and asking different questions potentially.
You shouldn't underestimate the empathy and etc of low-IQ plebs in the audience. Many of them would enjoy a Long Night adaption or other such 40k story if it was part of a TV series, even if they may struggle to articulate their feelings or whatever impressed them from watching it. There is room for such science fiction even in our era. Perhaps not made by Amazon but still.
that's more because night lords ended up being forgotten while being one of the more intriguing traitors. they're essentially with chaos only because it's convenient narratively that all space marine traitor are with chaos. otherwise, night lords are renegades who barely tolerate chaos nonsense and should've went their own separate ways altogether.
The good guy is the protagonist. He has to fight against the evil threats on the outside and the evil tyrants in the inside. This used to be normal and popular.
The setting can not be a film. It is meant to enhance a story. This is why game movies fail, they do not realize setting before story is a losing tactic.
Ideally they could do a pre-Indomitus story like this, just to set the stage and make a great impression on the masses. Then something with the Lion returning and meeting up with rowboat for the second season, Chadvill steps in as an augmented, long-lived Inquisitor type who becomes the main character for the following seasons.
Its an absurdly complex setting with its own little touches on basically everything in it. Either you have to have a 10 minute long title scroll explaining everything (you cant for obvious reasons) or you need to throw the viewer in balls deep and do show don't tell, have them learn things about the universe by experiencing them. This also will not work though because the people large corporations want to appeal to are like your annoying sister who constantly goes "whos that what does that mean whats happening" every five minutes because their brain is too rotted to actually pay attention and process things that aren't explicitly told to them, thats why movies and shows nowadays all have scenes where someone just sits the protagonist down and explains everything while repeatedly quipping about how crazy it is to keep the viewer from zoning out, or why moody scenes or entire movies always have muted colors to try and force emotions out of people, or villains nowadays are stereotypes of people in real life and always talk in ominous ways accompanied by "evil music", etc.
A series with no real good or bad guys (game of thrones doesnt count you know damn well it doesnt), in a universe where people's thoughts, motivations, and lifestyles are completely different to ours, with its own vast history, billion different cultures and subcultures, intricacies, dialects, etc (dont forget that you also need to keep track of who knows what since fascism) doesnt sell to idiots
Warhammer is a franchise where you look at a big dude with slightly different colored armor, look them up, and they have like 5 full length in universe books about them you need to read to understand them. It is for people who are such nerds they need to go absolutely balls deep researching long esoteric history books about events and places that do not actually exist.
part of the reason it had so much depth was for the first twenty years stuff was just added on by the painting team in the studio as they painted their own armies and played games in the office. Like the coloring conventions for ultramarine Pauldrons or the fact that one company of Dark angels was white armored. Just dudes in the office.
Real answer?
White is the hardest color to paint with acrylic paints, the chemicals in white pigments make it chalky or not cover well. You have to build up over half a dozen layers at minimum to an true white highlight, either from a brown or blue grey depending on if you want a cool tone or warm tone.
Its super fricking hard to look good and takes too long for a full army. The primary marine chapters all use easy to use pigments (besides Iron hands)
ah, I haven't played 40k table top yet but appreciate this anon. Definitely would have wanted a color scheme with white. It often looks so good in artwork.
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I think with some of the contrast paints and newer brands of primer and shit out there is is getting easier to do yellows and whites. I think one of the contrast is a very light blue grey you can throw on white to make it look good and AK interactive has a very smooth white iirc
Yes basically, there's specific rules for specific companies and ranks that are denoted with your painting scheme. If you're playing Blood Angels and paint a squad with an inverse color scheme black with red details rather than red with black details, you're painting a Death company squad which has different rules than normal because some GW dude wanted a cool looking squad with some flavor and special backstory in his army. This is played up for laughs with Orks where these kitbashing homebrew stuff where explained as the Orks having a special ability in the settingbwhere tech that wasn't supposed to work did and different painting schemes gave units special powers, entirely because the Orks thought it did.
You really don't. 90% of the time everything you need to know about a particular unit is explained in the force list. It's not any more complicated than any other RPG setting.
no joke. i went down the 40k rabbit wikia reading random shit and everything leads to a kazillion pages of backstory. it was at this point i turned off my pc
The tau aren't the good guys, I mean their verbiage is all ww2 Japanese co prosperity sphere fascism and white mans burden English empire and their society is every Orwell trope trope mushed with mecha
It's too dense. Also, GW is anal retentive about what changes you can make when adapting their property. Which was probably a good thing in the long run.
Games-workshop is actually just afraid of making something g actually good. >passed out of starcraft >dawn of War is meh >haven't made a good shooter despite having tons of weapons, vehicles and two practically identical factions for multiplayer
I think its doable
I like the Eisenhorn trilogy better, it drops you into 40k showing you how fricked the world is from the eyeline of an inquisitor and makes the threat of aliens and choas feel personal.
I think its doable
I like the Eisenhorn trilogy better, it drops you into 40k showing you how fricked the world is from the eyeline of an inquisitor and makes the threat of aliens and choas feel personal.
Thanks for advice, buddy.
Checking the thread at work now and days already better.
Since I am fasting today, went and bought it during my lunch break. Hopefully, I have done good.
Why do people keep saying he's worked on this? Pariah Nexus made by the same people who did the the 9th edition trailer that came out in 2020. They've quite literally just reused assets from that. Its the same ruins, the same factions, the same style, etc. They also did the 10th edition trailer.
Because GW is autistic as frick about their IP and if you ever tried to make a film you'd need to hire 30 consultants to tell you to constantly make edits about minor shit to appease the autistic audience that isn't big enough anyway, more trouble than it's worth
>no generic federation with moronic and practically dysfunctional assembly to manipulate >in order to survive human race had to establish militaristic theocracy
Too problematic
Why the frick do people want Hollywood to go anywhere near their favourite things? They turn everything into slop and always have. It's not new.
In fact, if I was a black lesbian woman I'd be furious with Hollywood for how badly they've set my people back. For the morons of Cinemaphile, this is not an endorsement.
Hollywood reduces everything down to the level that the average American can understand. Their movies retain none of meaning or beauty of the actual stories they try to tell.
Keep Hollywood away from every IP, heartwarming story and historical event that exists.
>Why the frick do people want Hollywood to go anywhere near their favourite things? They turn everything into slop and always have. It's not new.
It's the only way to get the budget you'd need to do it justice.
>this may be a little dangerous, but I DO enjoy a good cup of tea every now and again brother >this back scratcher is so luxurious under your armor, try it brother >after a hard battle, we can sleep in proper beds instead of our bunks, the Emperor wouldn't deny us a bit of comfort and a pillow
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40K is universe a filled with an extremely intense amount of racism, prejudice, and religious fanaticism. GW won't approve of anything Hollywood does with it that tries to sugarcoat those aspects. All of the above coupled with the brutal and hopeless nature of the setting means it doesn't have much mass people.
On top of that, any project would have to have a pretty fat budget if it's not going to be fully animated, a very high amount of special effects work would be needed to convey the grandiose nature of its settings.
There's also a lot of details about the lore that can be important for understanding what's going on but trying to explain those things in cinema without leaning too hard into constant exposition would be difficult.
>a series where catholic space nazis fighting troony demons from hell >a setting that is difficult to pozz up (GW has already been trying for several years) because how its baked into the settings >would be shat on by fanboys for every autistic small detail being out of place and shat on by everyone else for being about catholic space nazis >lore that is so complicated and detailed (and sometimes badly written) and expensive that it puts the old star wars EU to shame >often so visually over the top that o it would have to be either animated or have a RoP-tier budget at minimum or it would look like a joke
Gee i wonder why
Also post models
The biggest problem is nobody quite understands what 40k is.
It's not sci fi, it's fantasy pretending to be sci fi with the setting. If you ignore all of the technology, it's all knights or the realm shit.
because its a niche nerd subculture and doesn't have mass appeal
didn't stop them from ruining other nerd subcultures
good point
That's why movies are made for.
The Lord of the Rings books were way more popular before the movies came out than Warhammer is now. They were best-sellers. Led Zeppelin, one of the biggest bands of the 1970s, wrote multiple songs referencing those books. Warhammer is a lot more niche, I think.
Not comparable, LotR was THE western fantasy series even before the movies.
It's normie slop and your zoomer video essays with "deep lore" ripped off from better sci-fi will never be real kino
fpbp
There are 0 women who like warhammer, even the self-described 'nerd girls.' Its one of the remaining exclusively male hobbies. On top of that, it only appeals to a very small subset of males anyway. It will never appeal to women, unless they show them playing it in an episode of Stranger Things or some contrived dumb nostalgic shit like that.
You say it's niche and yet clickbait warhammer 40k video essays sit on youtube with millions of views. Just admit you like this shit because the algorithm force fed it to you, cattle.
>0.1% OF THE WORLD POPULATION WATCHED A VIDEO ABOUT WARHAMMER, THAT MEANS IT'S POPULAR, WOKE AND PRAISED BY REDDIT
frick you homosexual
it's the most popular tabletop minitures game and has several very popular subreddits. It's normie and reddit as can be.
It also requires a huge budget to properly adapt and the captive audience is just not large enough to justify it.
You could make a Battlefleet Gothic Armada show with good costume department and competent SFX guys
The only person i have ever seen talk about warhammer (besides cavill, he is an anomoly) was chris on fishtank, and his extreme autism makes it sound incredibly stupid and basic because he talks about it with the same enthusism as he does star wars and DBZ
>Warhammer
>niche nerd culture
kys
This is untrue. They are not afraid of Warhammer, they have known about it for decades but it was unfilmable, like fricking orders of magnitude above Lord of the Rings in scale. Only recently has the technology to adapt it become feasible, and GW is sanitizing the setting with Guilliman wank and the gay Primaris helmets. It will eventually be adapted for general audiences, which saddens me as the extreme brutality of the setting was what made it so captivating.
If it's so niche why do they have game workshop stores all over the world?
Hobby stores can be found all over the world but how many people do you know who actually partake in that sort of activity? I've only known one person who assembles model ships my whole life and I have acquaintances in the upper hundreds
The biggest customer GW has are middle aged women.
>dude it’s super dark and edgy there’s tons of blood and gore bro it’s so cool and the best part, there’s NO black people!! Hella fricken epic!
Gay grimdark bullshit for edgy Redditor manchildren to waste their money and lives playing with dolls. Frick off.
>Gay grimdark bullshit for edgy Redditor manchildren to waste their money and lives playing with dolls
Based
>Frick off.
Cringe.
>there’s NO black people
vulkan is literally not black
kys Black person
Vulkan is literally black.
his skin is black but Nocturne isnt detroit and Vulkan aint got no monkeylips
Salamanders are black because the the ‘wavy metal painter who painted them mid read the instructions and didn’t paint them like drow way back
I think he was black too
The opposite, Vulkan is actually literally obsidian black
I will never stop being mad that turboautists made them literally coal black and not just african looking
I even hate Black folk I just think its fricking moronic
nigrosity has nothing to do with Salamanders or Nocturne.
It's much cooler that they are Black coal with red eyes
Black features look dumb though (because blacks have low IQ), coal black actually looks cool
Salamanders and Vulkan are coal black. The population of Nocturne, the Salamanders' primary recruiting world, are of black ethnicity, however. The celestial Lions chapter are also black, and there are likely other chapters recruiting from primarily ethnically-black worlds as well. Plus there's black marines scattered throughout other chapters here and there, like Jonah Orion from the Blood Ravens.
>are of black ethnicity
no
>The Celestial Lions chapter are also black
no
>and there are likely other chapters recruiting from primarily ethnically-black worlds as well. Plus there's black marines scattered throughout other chapters here and there, like Jonah Orion from the Blood Ravens.
no, no and no
>I will never stop being mad that turboautists made them literally coal black
You are a lorelet. Salamanders are like that because of a chapter mutation from a feature that modern gw wants to forget. The skin tone of normal space marines should shift from albino to giga black depending on the amount of solar radiation present, but that would apparently offend people. Salamanders' gene for that is borked though so their skin turns dark and stays dark. I think they should really go back to letting 40k have its fricked up future themes than try to appeal to modern politics
nu-gw revisionsim. black skin was a chaos mutation in earlier editions.
Why is he holding Thor’s hammer storm breaker?
>Setting full of spaceships and guns
>use giant hammers because nerds think it looks cool
W40k fans are moronic
They are typically great energy weapons, way more than what they appear on the surface level, everything is 10x overpowered and cranked up to 11 in 40K anon.
In the middle ages people would use maces, warhammers and axes against knights to great effect if the person wielding it was skilled. One famous case was Robert the Bruce before the battle of Bannockburn. He literally split the skull in two of an armored knight who was charging him at full speed, which fricked up his favorite axe. 40k tries to tap into stuff like this, like the whole universe is an 80's metal album cover.
The entire setting is built around different groups acting moronic for deeply religious or cultural reasons.
Look at the orks. They fight with random pieces of scrap metal because it is 'cooler' than using proper weapons.
Imperials strap 500lbs of random decorations to their armor for the same reasons.
Yeah but he can swing the hammer faster than someone can shoot a gun
Salamanders are not Black folk. This is a chink Salamander explaining his skin color.
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>the best part, there’s NO black people!!
Tourists can just keep on moving along to Frick-Off-ville. Midas Betancore is always my homeboy. The gates will be kept.
ok im a warhammerhead now
it is the worst written sci-fi universe, hands down.
This is the actual reason, Hollywood hacks want good IP they can then ruin with their “vision”. This has already hit the skids and can’t be redeemed to some normalcy by hacks and they know it. Not saying it doesn’t have some good elements but that won’t carry it.
It insists upon itself
Good 40k wont be woke and pg13. Pg13 woke 40k will just lose money.
That simple.
>okay, so what if there's this one spacemarine who's a woman and she's stronger than everybody else?
>oh yeah, and then all the other male spacemarines think she's weak because she's a woman
>exactly, then we have a scene where she maybe beats up three male spacemarines and everybody sees how strong she is?
>okay, hear me out... what if she's black?
>omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah!
>75% critic score, 12% viewer score
>cancelled after the first season
>bottom right corner
would.jpg
>USA has 13% black people, 50% women
>69% of the team is black
>62% of the team are women
>this is good, balanced & equitable representation
All the 'white' people mysteriously have names ending in -stein, -berg or -witz.
>only 6 chairs
>3 of the 4 white people occupy them
>the 4th only doesn't because she can't fit in the chair
FIRE THEM ALL
frick me look at the size of those coneheads!
They could, ironically, be lore friendly and have this, if they just made Slaanesh CSM
happened enough times that every step is predictable now
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Theres like 700 Warhammer 40k/Horus Heresy books, and several of the examples on your list are freaky demons or literal robots, and most of the lesbians are written as coom bait not progressivism.
Sexual degeneracy explicitly will cost you your soul in the setting.
Lmao, most of these characters are evil, insane or their "preferences" are purely tactical. Like the "they/them" thing from Requiem Infernal is actually multiple people due to demonic possession. Like it's a regular woman, but she has an evil spirit in her subconscious that gives her superpowers and shit.
That would imply anyone is going to read the novels listed to verify the claims. People just latch onto bullshit.
>>okay, so what if there's this one spacemarine who's a woman and she's stronger than everybody else?
>>oh yeah, and then all the other male spacemarines think she's weak because she's a woman
, then we have a scene where she maybe beats up three male spacemarines and everybody sees how strong she is?
>>okay, hear me out... what if she's black?
>>omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah!
>meanwhile GW
>>okay, hear me out... what if she's black?
>>omg you hit the nail on the hail Sarah!
there is an ACTUAL skype group call of people like this where a troony goes
>I've always seen poison ivy as trans
and all the roasties go
>OMG, THAT'S GENIUS!
I wish I could find the video
40k should be afraid of Hollywood
Do you really want your setting ruined?
>"We have ruined the setting several times now and we have become exceedingly efficient at it."
>Do you really want your setting ruined?
It was ruined long time ago.
Hollywood would want near total control of 40k. They will never do a deal.
what I'd do for a full season of hour long epis or some movies in the quality of Pariah Nexus
>primaris
dropped
Stay filtered.
the new helmet is so gay
>new thing bad
hard disagree, it looks much better than prior versions animated.
I prefer regular Warhammer even if it has a bullshit ending.
You don't want Hollywood to put their hands on it, they will destroy it like they did in Star Wars
Smells of cumrag and sebum
pariah nexus is pretty good so far, at least it looks cool. same with the game
anyway black people and girls dont play warhammer so they're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot and piss off their actual clients which is me: racist white neckbeard in my 30s
>so they're not gonna shoot themselves in the foot and piss off their actual clients which is me: racist white neckbeard in my 30s
lol
I don't see the problem with this. The Imperium has always had nonwhite people in it (White Scars, Salamanders, the inquisitor and Jonah Orion from DoW), and they literally don't give a frick what race you are as long as you're human and not a mutant or heretic. The Ultramarines recruit from 100 different worlds. Are you trying to suggest that not one of them has black people on it? I hate forced diversity as much as anyone, but a complete lack of black people makes no sense for 40k's setting.
>Salamanders
Whites whose skin has turned black and eyes are red.
>The Ultramarines recruit from 100 different worlds. Are you trying to suggest that not one of them has black people on it?
Yes, they're Romans.
>a complete lack of black people makes no sense for 40k's setting
Why? It's a fantasy world. There's nothing about the black race that makes them essential.
It's a fantasy setting where humanity has settled literally millions of planet and where enough time has passed that many settlements have adapted to their environments and sometimes diverged radically from the standard home sapiens genetics. It makes no sense that a basic mutation like increased melanin in skin wouldn't have occurred on planets with areas with strong UV radiation, just like it did on Earth.
Just didn't happen. Chainsaw swords did happen. It is what it is.
I knew quite a few blacks who played back in its heyday all salamanders
>white neckbeard
when did racist become soi redditors?
If it ever gets made there will be black people in it. Make your peace with it now. It's better to make your peace with it now then to let everybody hear your b***hing and moaning later.
How is that a bad thing in any way, shape or form? The less properties Hollywood can ruin, the better
why do warhammergays think their "lore" is super deep? It's just a few rulebooks like any other RPG setting. And most of it is just a rip-off homosexual.
>assuming something has to be deep to be interesting
midwit fallacy at display, some of the best fiction is genius in its simplicity and ease of digestion
It's not deep or super complicated, but there is a demonstrable shittload of it moreso than any other game ip in that there's a 90 book series and a couple hundred other books built around it. Can you name a single other ip that has that many books written about it? I don't even think dnd has that many for Forgotten Realms.
Star wars, Discworld, Moorwiener Multiverse, Judge Dredd, Star Trek, ETC.
> Discworld, Moorwiener Multiverse, Judge Dredd, Star Trek
No
>Star wars
Searching online I think they're unironically tied/about the same at this point, but 40k is probably ahead since these counts probably don't count rule books as lore.
>No
Yes. Discworld is 40 books. Multiverse and Star trek both have over a hundred novels and short stories. Judge dredd has been ongoing since the 70s and has spawned tons of tie in comics set in the same universe.
It's not "deep" but all of its core subjects (of which there is a lot) are all connected to each other. Which makes it hard to talk about one thing without talking about the others if someone has no prior knowledge of any of it.
Because it’s fascist
HELLA FREAKIN EPIC
>welcome to 40k
edgy homosexual
Well yeah, the setting is pure edginess for its own sake. That’s the entire point.
I feel like the Attenborough Lore channel has rendered all of this edgy shit done by nerds to be even more cringe than it used to be. It's significantly more funny and informative than anything like this.
Link plz
This is one of the better vids imo because at times it feels like an actual nature documentary, just with surreal, horrific and hilarious moments. That's when this channel is at its absolute best.
How do you turn that into a film? Its hell raiser mixed with ogrish
It's way too nerdy and autistic.
jews arent happy they are portrayed as the tyranids in this intellectual property. its problematic for them to legitimize it
I can only wonder what today's pc 40K would even look like
Also, isn't Henry Cavill doing a 40K show for Amazon now? Any news about that yet?
>Also, isn't Henry Cavill doing a 40K show for Amazon now?
What exactly is he doing?
He has neither the money, nor the knowledge to direct a movie.
>nor the knowledge
Do you really think he's learned nothing after 20 years of being around directors?
Not enough to become a director.
What great knowledge do you need?
Many of the best directors started as basically kids.
Directing is an administrative job that requires you to be a good organizer, it isn't a trade or technically involved job on its own.
>What great knowledge do you need?
>planning
>directing
>organising
>camera work
>light effects
>special effects
>human knowledge
On top of my head
Only Primaris. GW never touches the Mk7 helmet because it's too aggressive and GW wants to rebrand the Imperium as the good guys.
women can't relate to it. don't forget that women are the largest zogchow demographic.
Literally an entire faction that are exclusively women
What would real life women know about being the most honorable and devoted members of society.
They definitely wouldn’t connect to being raised in raised in bordering schools when the smartest and most pure orphan girls are pushed to their physical limits like special force training/med school intense religious and scientific training the sisters get.
Real women don’t work that hard
>They definitely wouldn’t connect to being raised in raised in bordering schools when the smartest and most pure orphan girls are pushed to their physical limits like special force training/med school
Its basically Black Widow's live from the MCU, only it was le sad and tragic for her and would need to be like starship troopers on screen
>women are the largest zogchow demographic.
because they're literally children.
no different from manchildren
Gamesworkshop keep getting 90% of the way to closing the deal on a film franchise then one of the hollywood guys asks if the Imperium are the good guys and all the GW execs sperg out so hard it kills the whole thing
But GW is configuring the setting so that the imperium and especially the space marines as the good guys
unless they retcon almost everything (lol) its not gonna happen
They basically are retconning everything with Guilliman-wank.
is the Imperium even fascist anymore? when was the last time they glassed someone for not being human? Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship and everyone has to deal with it
if anything this is more like the Chaddest SS officer has taken the reigns from a general on life support and it's about to get even more fascist. Just less moronic and pointlessly evil as well, you know, simultaneously.
>Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship and everyone has to deal with it
Black person that is just fanwank
>Guilliman literally has hot Eldar b***hes on his ship
That's the khan
Why not both?
Until the Eldar codex comes out.
Emperor definitely overreacted to Xenos. There ARE decent ones humanity could exist with if racial supremacy wasn't Imperium's name of the game. Tau have the sensible approach with this thing as they've federated with dozens of alien species to mutual benefit.
The xenos and mutants bad thing was literally just because they were ripping off Judge Dredd. It was never intended to make much sense
I think it's more because humanity was enslaved by aliens at one point. They just decided to play it safe in the future.
That's one of the in universe justifications added in the Horus heresy (which only started being published in the 2000s) but the actual reason is they were ripping off "edgy" sci-fi that was popular at the time such as Judge Dredd, nemesis the warlock and paranoia 1st edition.
the decent ones were wiped out by the Imperium
Tau are dumb b***hes who are going to get donkey punched the second one of the big factions stop playing with kid gloves with them
And they also put out a press release saying that it's all satire and that the Imperium definitely aren't the good guys
If you asked ten senior games workshop employees if the imperium were the good guys you'd get ten different answers
Be glad, current hollywood would only ruin it
>posts a pic of tyranids and smurfs, aka the two most BOOOOORING parts of 40k
True 40k kino is normal humans having to deal with chaos corruption, preferably in an aesthetics mixing occultism and religious symbolism.
I like the Mechanicus, myself.
A cult of shambling, barely human, androids who worship the concept of technology is a cool society.
It's good how in the lore sometimes it is hinted that they have no free will at all and have lost almost everything that made them human or exceptional. The Hammer and Bolter episode did this very well. It really ups the grim (and dark) of the decaying Imperium. Gives me rust belt vibes tbh
Absolute kino choice.
Too spiritually white, they can't subvert it
I just want to see Black Templars killing things
tripgayging when your id has nothing to do with the thread or the post, kys go to reddit
Not television or film
Masculine
Xenophobic
Anti-degenerate
Violent
Themes of honor and self-sacrifice
Imagine if they had used WH40K instead of D&D
troony franchise
> xe
> metamor
> mxtress
What language is this written in?
Slaanesh
Woke english, translating,
>gender-neutral third-person pronoun, typically used to refer to someone who identifies as non-binary (a choice to identify as neither man nor woman)
>party in a relationship with more than two partners, term is meant to juxtapose against the monogamous equivalent of paramour
>gender neutral way to invoke master/mistress, typically for someone who identifies as non-binary
It's lame but is lame in a consistent way, they ideologically don't like gendered words and will butcher existing ones to try to strip them from English
That's all franchises and movements in general. You can't name a single one they haven't occupied if you tried.
Jersey Shore guido culture.
That's meterosexual to begin with, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some trans guidos at this point.
> meterosexual
Made up concept that attempts to conflate men who indulge in their own vanity with homosexuals. It's not gay to use colonge and wear expensive clothes. They obviously do it to get laid.
There's an aesthetic difference between guidos who use shit like chapstick and shiny israeliteelry and a "well kept man" in a tuxedo but you already knew that.
The holy Bible
There are pro LGBT churches. Again, this can be seen in ANY movement or fandom, including ""conservative"" spaces.
There's trans nazi discords too.
Troons invading spaces doesn't invalidate the beliefs. It just means troons are pathological about imposing their gay religion on others.
>Trannies like [thing]
>[thing] is now troony franchise
Brainrot. There's a reason GW released that stupid "wArHaMmEr Is FoR eVeRyOnE" memo.
>Blood Ravens
BOLT. DOWN. EVERYTHING.
If your franchise attracts trannies it's not based
Every franchise and thing in the world can and has attracted trannies. The fact that they live rent free in your head makes you weak.
>not conforming to the fakest and gayest zeitgeist in human history makes you weak
it's the other way around, homosexual
So all franchises ever?
That figures, enjoy trannies and redditors
>Cringehammer
>every frame will cost quadrillions in special effects
>spending that much on a niche IP
The big and scary space marines make the hollywood executives shit themselves in fear
It's unweidly sci-fi schlock with very niche appeal.
Libtards only like left wing authoritarianism
They're not anymore. Rest assured, your pleas have been heard.
Reminder that a based company called BlackRock is the reason 40k is bigger and better now, and why we're getting a show with Henry Cavill soon.
https://investor.games-workshop.com/shareholder-statistics
It's gonna be fricking awesome.
Investors have, in recent years, shown interest in putting their money where their values lie while simultaneously avoiding portfolios engaged in risky, unethical or socially irresponsible practices. This sustainable investment strat-ACK!
They're learning
its called rebranding. the ride never ends.
they're rebranding you moron
Then they can lose even more money can't they
>i-its about the
No, they can't do shit without money. The people at the top are incompetent. It's not rocket science.
Well I can tell you right now the 'nids are losing this battle because they wasted points on Warriors.
I'm glad they're toning down the less tasteful parts of the setting like slaanesh
The setting is not supposed to be tasteful. The setting is supposed to be max edgy rated NC-17 nonsense. It should be explicitly for adults and hyper violent and hyper sexual when it comes to things like slaanesh and the dark eldar. They need to make dark eldar models explicitly engaged in BDSM on the battlefield for it to be lore accurate
The setting is evolving for a new audience
It shouldn’t. The new audience should be those who can adapt to and appreciate the setting for what it is
Awesome business acumen bro. You should work for Lucasfilm.
>The setting is evolving for a new audience
Will it work this time?
You're the problem
Better question: How is a franchise that's never been featured in a television or film Cinemaphile related? It seems like 40kgays just want to shill their rip-off garbage everywhere. Do your job and move this to /tg/ jannies.
netflix done it and its filled with women and other moronic shit
>b-but muh whatever sisters
exactly for it to work they HAVE to shove that shit in there and we all have to pretend that it was an organic choice
Because israelites are allergic to its unapologetically Christian-esque aesthetic and themes.
1. It isn't Warhammers aesthetic. Gothic sci-fi comes from heavy metal magazine
2. The emperor canonically killed Christianity and all other religions in the Horus heresy books
>The emperor canonically killed Christianity and all other religions in the Horus heresy books
Yeah but religion is still a heavy recurring theme in all the books, most of it referring to the traditional Christian God in its imagery/comparisons to the Emperor
>it’s still christianity even if the emperor of mankind crowned himself the one true god
anon please
Hey, they crowned him.
He tried to make them all atheist and they refused to listen.
>the emperor of mankind crowned himself the one true god
lorelet
Aesthetics are more important than lore when you're introducing something to new people.
It is de facto warhammers aesthetic because metal is dying.
Warhammer simply cannot be adapted to film. It will never work in a way that can be taken seriously when actually visualized outside of 2 minute cutscenes that set an epic tone. I'm sure Henry Cavil is a fan, and would hope he has the best of intentions, but I question whether it's actually possible at all, and I don't have high expectations.
>taken seriously
You were never supposed to take it seriously damn I hate nu Warhammer 40k fans
Nobody cares about late 30s Incel toy franchise.
What is the point of all that bloody armor when any faction's lowest tier enemies are described as being able to cut through it like butter?
>when any faction's lowest tier enemies are described as being able to cut through it like butter
They're not though, every scene with Imperial militia fighting A space marine describes about two dozen of them having to gang up to take one down (with more than half of them dying,) same goes for similar forces.
Two dozens conscripts' lives are nothing compared to what is invested in making one Space Marine, who at minimum have been training for twenty years and had thousands of hours invested in making them the best possible soldier.
It depends on the space marine really, some are a couple hundred years old, others are only like 3 or 4 years old. The older ones are typically gonna take a hell of a lot more to take out obviously
>others are only like 3 or 4 years old
Add a zero to these numbers. Future SM can start training as pre-puberty kids but they'll be doing years of training and ten years in a scout company at least. The rookies of the rookies are still at least 30.
Unless you count the Daemoncubala... we don't talk about it
They can't, that's what I really liked about the Astartes series. It wasn't these huge hulking man-tanks getting one-shotted or cut down with anything with an edge to build some plot. Astartes depicted them as impossibly fast, extremely hard to kill death machines with a core that still vaguely resembled a human, albeit more like an 8 foot tall angry and heavily roided Olympic athlete than an man.
warhammer will walk the same path. i know it, you know it
GW seems to be making a definitive effort too keep everything grimdark so I doubt it. Sure, they do the occasional moronation like the kid's spinoff books, but the main line of product looks like its still staying grimdark
GW seems to be trying to divert "serious" fans into Horus Heresy.
Like HH will contain all the grimdark esoteric shit and 40K will be Marvel.
>like the kid's spinoff books
Which is moronic becaue kids love edgy shit
Their mom's don't. Children products need to be marketed at children AND parents.
This is what happens when women get their hold on something
Would Starship Troopers work as a 40k movie if you replace the arachnids with tyranids, throw in more sadness in the civilian life, and more dark religious reliefs everywhere?
Not grimdark enough. You need layers and layers of stagnated, brutal technology and despair for them to be more like guardsmen.
>Our franchise is shit so let's ripoff kino
oh frick off.
>Verhoeven ST
>kino
Yes, it is kino. Well done.
unattractive to the majority of the female audience
Women tend to love Helsreach and Astartes, some of the newer animations from Warhammer tv have decent female viewership as well. But they have to be up for grimdark.
war is not a topic that intrigues a majority of women. women watched got for the intrigue and the sex scenes
I'm just saying that some of them are sentient human beings and enjoy good fiction even if it's not what they are typically drawn to. Helsreach is soulful, Astartes is brutal and surreal (and short) and many of them who watch these will like them. Many Western and LATAM women who see something like this will enjoy it: https://youtube.com/watch?v=99tOSmaNSJg
Define "many"
>No good guys
>Manchild tier lore
It's box office and television poison. It has nothing going for it that would be successful in either format.
The Tau are unironically strictly the goodguys. At worst they're slightly colonial, but in the scheme of 40k they're less bad than many actual real life factions that have existed, let alone any 40k factions.
Stab a Tau. Eviscerate a Tau. Set a Tau transport on fire. Summon warp demons on Tau Empire planets. Lasgun a Tau. Roundhouse kick a Tau.
TTD, brother
>unironically strictly the goodguys.
dont they have an illuminati that literally brainwashes everyone into doing their bidding? its like north korea tier
>its like north korea tier
so like anon said
the good guys
No, and they keep adding grimdark stuff to the Tau so people don't think they're the good guys. If you don't assimilate into their heirarchy, you disappear.
I'm not going to sit here and have an american 18yo who hates immigrants and non-whites complain to me about how assimilation is a bad thing you subhuman scum.
my fellow imperial citizens, we must learn to assimilate into the greater good... or humanity will not survive.
I Feel like theres still a bit of a contradiction cause Tau society is still prettty good living. I mean the humans liked it so much that enough of them moved to the Tau part of the galaxy and accidentally made a baby chaos god
>If you don't assimilate into their heirarchy, you disappear.
More like they commit diplomacy at the end of long rifles. They're still the good guys. It's weird how you can flip a Hive world by basically offering people what amounts to basic standard of life.
>you don't have to recycle and eat your dead anymore
>No, and they keep adding grimdark stuff to the Tau
Because they were supposed to be the "good" faction and it made grimdark babies and imperium gays throw a tantrum
I think the infamous "fish of fury" and other ridiculous shit in their first codex (when people actually gave a frick about the tabletop game) did more to damage Tau acceptance than anything else
Weeb communist xenos who patronizingly enslave other races for the "greater good" are the good guys? Frick off.
Even if that was true, which is not, the tau would be just the blue avatar guys without the appeal of being noble savages.
>no good guys
This is just absurd. Every story has a protagonist, they just aren't constrained to a kind of simplistic dualism like Star Wars. I genuinely don't see how someone could look at one of the better examples of lore and rule it out as wholly immature or whatever. There are immature elements to be sure but that's also one of the things that makes 40k fun. An 8 ft demigod with a chain sword fighting space elves is at least as mature as something like Stargate, just cranked up to fricking 11 on the elements that make it cool to see or imagine.
Good and evil are simplistic in explanation, not in mechanism.
But they are simplistic as they play out in shit like Star Wars or the majority of Spielberg's movies for instance. There is more room in 40k to tell nuanced, character-driven stories than any sci-fi universe out there really. Pic related
>nuanced, character-driven stories
News flash, bozo. People don't like nuance. It will filter millions
Sure but the good thing about science fiction is that stories can be quite layered. Most episodes of say Twilight Zone or the Outer Limits and etc could be very simplistic, but some had more to chew on and weren't these boring, drawn out events like in Star Trek. Different perspectives can be taken and jt gets people talking and asking different questions potentially.
You shouldn't underestimate the empathy and etc of low-IQ plebs in the audience. Many of them would enjoy a Long Night adaption or other such 40k story if it was part of a TV series, even if they may struggle to articulate their feelings or whatever impressed them from watching it. There is room for such science fiction even in our era. Perhaps not made by Amazon but still.
>dat feel when some of the best novels in the franchise are about resident edgelords firmly in the antagonist role
that's more because night lords ended up being forgotten while being one of the more intriguing traitors. they're essentially with chaos only because it's convenient narratively that all space marine traitor are with chaos. otherwise, night lords are renegades who barely tolerate chaos nonsense and should've went their own separate ways altogether.
hell yeah night lord chads
>No good guys
tier lore
That sells like crazy in today's market look at the boys
The good guy is the protagonist. He has to fight against the evil threats on the outside and the evil tyrants in the inside. This used to be normal and popular.
The setting can not be a film. It is meant to enhance a story. This is why game movies fail, they do not realize setting before story is a losing tactic.
Setting can definitely be a film.
Look at the Mad Max series. 100% setting.
So what story would you like to see in the hamazon series?
I would love to see helsreach adapted
Ideally they could do a pre-Indomitus story like this, just to set the stage and make a great impression on the masses. Then something with the Lion returning and meeting up with rowboat for the second season, Chadvill steps in as an augmented, long-lived Inquisitor type who becomes the main character for the following seasons.
I don't care about the story but the depiction of the Space Marines is very important to me.
Eisenhorn
Honestly cavil would be a good young Ravenor
Its an absurdly complex setting with its own little touches on basically everything in it. Either you have to have a 10 minute long title scroll explaining everything (you cant for obvious reasons) or you need to throw the viewer in balls deep and do show don't tell, have them learn things about the universe by experiencing them. This also will not work though because the people large corporations want to appeal to are like your annoying sister who constantly goes "whos that what does that mean whats happening" every five minutes because their brain is too rotted to actually pay attention and process things that aren't explicitly told to them, thats why movies and shows nowadays all have scenes where someone just sits the protagonist down and explains everything while repeatedly quipping about how crazy it is to keep the viewer from zoning out, or why moody scenes or entire movies always have muted colors to try and force emotions out of people, or villains nowadays are stereotypes of people in real life and always talk in ominous ways accompanied by "evil music", etc.
A series with no real good or bad guys (game of thrones doesnt count you know damn well it doesnt), in a universe where people's thoughts, motivations, and lifestyles are completely different to ours, with its own vast history, billion different cultures and subcultures, intricacies, dialects, etc (dont forget that you also need to keep track of who knows what since fascism) doesnt sell to idiots
Warhammer is a franchise where you look at a big dude with slightly different colored armor, look them up, and they have like 5 full length in universe books about them you need to read to understand them. It is for people who are such nerds they need to go absolutely balls deep researching long esoteric history books about events and places that do not actually exist.
It is not a very large audience.
part of the reason it had so much depth was for the first twenty years stuff was just added on by the painting team in the studio as they painted their own armies and played games in the office. Like the coloring conventions for ultramarine Pauldrons or the fact that one company of Dark angels was white armored. Just dudes in the office.
Pure sovl
>that one company of Dark angels was white armored
whitey trying to erase our history
>one company of Dark angels was white armored
White armor patterns look so good on astartes idk why it's so underutilized.
Real answer?
White is the hardest color to paint with acrylic paints, the chemicals in white pigments make it chalky or not cover well. You have to build up over half a dozen layers at minimum to an true white highlight, either from a brown or blue grey depending on if you want a cool tone or warm tone.
Its super fricking hard to look good and takes too long for a full army. The primary marine chapters all use easy to use pigments (besides Iron hands)
ah, I haven't played 40k table top yet but appreciate this anon. Definitely would have wanted a color scheme with white. It often looks so good in artwork.
I think with some of the contrast paints and newer brands of primer and shit out there is is getting easier to do yellows and whites. I think one of the contrast is a very light blue grey you can throw on white to make it look good and AK interactive has a very smooth white iirc
>The primary marine chapters all use easy to use pigments (besides Iron hands)
Iron hands are piss easy to paint though?
I meant imperial fist
So what your saying is if im playing 40k and i just paint a guy a certain color he would be stronger than if i painted him a different color?
Yes basically, there's specific rules for specific companies and ranks that are denoted with your painting scheme. If you're playing Blood Angels and paint a squad with an inverse color scheme black with red details rather than red with black details, you're painting a Death company squad which has different rules than normal because some GW dude wanted a cool looking squad with some flavor and special backstory in his army. This is played up for laughs with Orks where these kitbashing homebrew stuff where explained as the Orks having a special ability in the settingbwhere tech that wasn't supposed to work did and different painting schemes gave units special powers, entirely because the Orks thought it did.
So like any other setting? not really seeing how this is different from the original greyhawk campaign
You really don't. 90% of the time everything you need to know about a particular unit is explained in the force list. It's not any more complicated than any other RPG setting.
no joke. i went down the 40k rabbit wikia reading random shit and everything leads to a kazillion pages of backstory. it was at this point i turned off my pc
just read the core rulebook you massive homosexual it's not that complicated
>Its an absurdly complex setting
ripping off other franchises is "complex" now? as expected of 40kids
The tau aren't the good guys, I mean their verbiage is all ww2 Japanese co prosperity sphere fascism and white mans burden English empire and their society is every Orwell trope trope mushed with mecha
This is just the best penal legion. I bet their captain is hassling them to file their TPS reports. This is a chapter I could get behind.
It's too dense. Also, GW is anal retentive about what changes you can make when adapting their property. Which was probably a good thing in the long run.
>my youtube videos for little children are too dense
Games-workshop is actually just afraid of making something g actually good.
>passed out of starcraft
>dawn of War is meh
>haven't made a good shooter despite having tons of weapons, vehicles and two practically identical factions for multiplayer
I like pulp and I am looking for something new to read. Is Horus heresy worth reading? Can I read it as a noob to the mythos/franchise?
I think its doable
I like the Eisenhorn trilogy better, it drops you into 40k showing you how fricked the world is from the eyeline of an inquisitor and makes the threat of aliens and choas feel personal.
Thanks for advice, buddy.
Checking the thread at work now and days already better.
Since I am fasting today, went and bought it during my lunch break. Hopefully, I have done good.
Did the guy behind Astartes make anything or did GW hire him just to remove competition?
sadly I think you already know the answer
Unironically he was murdered
His style is evident in the new edition trailer and in Pariah Nexus.
None of it matches Astartes due to GW's gay status.
>Pariah Nexus.
Why do people keep saying he's worked on this? Pariah Nexus made by the same people who did the the 9th edition trailer that came out in 2020. They've quite literally just reused assets from that. Its the same ruins, the same factions, the same style, etc. They also did the 10th edition trailer.
https://m2animation.com/work/warhammer-pariah-crusad-cinematic-masterpiece/
https://m2animation.com/work/warhammer-pariah-nexus-games-workshop/
https://m2animation.com/work/warhammer-new-edition-cinematic-trailer-m2-animation/
Because GW is autistic as frick about their IP and if you ever tried to make a film you'd need to hire 30 consultants to tell you to constantly make edits about minor shit to appease the autistic audience that isn't big enough anyway, more trouble than it's worth
So GW is superioe to any other IP holders.
Reminder that the Tau are the good guys
Reminder that Chaps are the good guys
I hope a hollywood adaptation never happens, they would unionically make chaos look like a good thing
40k would be awful on screen.
40k is good for dioramas, video games, and wiki entries of battles (the novels themselves are not good) only.
troony hammer 40 gay
Chud hammer 40 incel
>no generic federation with moronic and practically dysfunctional assembly to manipulate
>in order to survive human race had to establish militaristic theocracy
Too problematic
I like sisters of battle. They have a tank that's a pipe organ and that's really cool.
Amerimutts are too sensetive to brittish fiction and humor
sex with a sweaty battle sister
It has zero Borneo female appeal probably, and to do it right you’d have to go really hard on VFX.
Expensive to make with a small amount of people that would potentially be interested = Hollywood ain’t touching it.
Plus a lot of the shit in 40k is just fricking dumb or edgy to be edgy.
how do I get into warhammer
I need a hobby
target has a small starter kit game with a marine versus tyrranids for like 40
sell your car or just play deadzone like a sane person
Are you willing to sell your kidney? Or are you satisfied being a secondary who obsesses over lore, but doesn't actually BUY anything?
collect a based and redpilled army like imperial guard, not the trooned out primaris gaymarines.
The Imperium being good guys immediately makes them lame.
Why the frick do people want Hollywood to go anywhere near their favourite things? They turn everything into slop and always have. It's not new.
In fact, if I was a black lesbian woman I'd be furious with Hollywood for how badly they've set my people back. For the morons of Cinemaphile, this is not an endorsement.
Hollywood reduces everything down to the level that the average American can understand. Their movies retain none of meaning or beauty of the actual stories they try to tell.
Keep Hollywood away from every IP, heartwarming story and historical event that exists.
>Why the frick do people want Hollywood to go anywhere near their favourite things? They turn everything into slop and always have. It's not new.
It's the only way to get the budget you'd need to do it justice.
But justice won't be done. That's the point. There's already been good fan films of 40k. You don't need Hollywood money or its validation.
>this may be a little dangerous, but I DO enjoy a good cup of tea every now and again brother
>this back scratcher is so luxurious under your armor, try it brother
>after a hard battle, we can sleep in proper beds instead of our bunks, the Emperor wouldn't deny us a bit of comfort and a pillow
two cycles later
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40K is universe a filled with an extremely intense amount of racism, prejudice, and religious fanaticism. GW won't approve of anything Hollywood does with it that tries to sugarcoat those aspects. All of the above coupled with the brutal and hopeless nature of the setting means it doesn't have much mass people.
On top of that, any project would have to have a pretty fat budget if it's not going to be fully animated, a very high amount of special effects work would be needed to convey the grandiose nature of its settings.
There's also a lot of details about the lore that can be important for understanding what's going on but trying to explain those things in cinema without leaning too hard into constant exposition would be difficult.
>40K is universe a filled with an extremely intense amount of racism, prejudice, and religious fanaticism
LMAO
>a series where catholic space nazis fighting troony demons from hell
>a setting that is difficult to pozz up (GW has already been trying for several years) because how its baked into the settings
>would be shat on by fanboys for every autistic small detail being out of place and shat on by everyone else for being about catholic space nazis
>lore that is so complicated and detailed (and sometimes badly written) and expensive that it puts the old star wars EU to shame
>often so visually over the top that o it would have to be either animated or have a RoP-tier budget at minimum or it would look like a joke
Gee i wonder why
Also post models
Which of these chapters do you think will make an appearance in Cavill's series?
>chaos marines
I think helsreach would make for a good movie, story is not super superconvoluted and plenty of action.
too fascistic for a bunch of commie writers
The biggest problem is nobody quite understands what 40k is.
It's not sci fi, it's fantasy pretending to be sci fi with the setting. If you ignore all of the technology, it's all knights or the realm shit.