I didn't read League until after I saw the movie, and what started as a mildly entertaining film for me turned into a crime against humanity once I had read the source material.
The movie was a nightmare production, apparently. Sean Connery had a huge beef with the director, Stephen Norrington, and neither of them worked in live action again.
That'll happen.
It seems like you're trying to start an argument, but you skipped several lines.
because 60 years ago Stan made the character defining decision of putting Hulk permanently at odds with the Avengers and Fantastic Four so that keeps him out general ongoings with the rest of the Marvel universe.
it does give Hulk some gravitas tho so when he does show to help it's always treated as a big deal.
Status quo means he can never develop as a character without resetting to the same tired internal conflict nor can he meaningfully change the setting despite that being the immediate outlet. >oh hulk destroyed [bumfrick nothing town in middle of nowhere]!
Having him evolve into a Shiva type character, where he destroys the old to make way for the new is the natural progression as him as a hero while still maintaining his rivalry with others but lmao starship hulk.
It's grossed 500+ mil on a budget of 137 million. You're factually wrong. >Comics are garbage
Are you spamming this shit recently? Every comic thread has what seems like the same homosexual shitting up the threads with "comics suck" or "comics are dead" This has always been a niche medium. If you don't like it go watch whatever fotm normie shit is popular
>Doesn't like comics but desperately wants to discuss comic adjacent media
Fricking casuals and their insecurities >Then the next one flopped
Hardly flopped and it was released in a crowded summer. Hulk was everyone's favorite character after the first Avengers movie and the only reason he doesn't get movies is because of Paramount getting paid for solo hulk movies. You literally don't know what the frick you're talking about. Sad.
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he really is best in small doses though
5 months ago
Anonymous
He’s no one favorite character, not even in merch. I see people wear Spiderman, Batman, and Superman shirts alot. Hulk is so rare. He only pops up on Avengers merch, which he’s hard carried by.
5 months ago
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most "big guns" are best in team settings
>No good movies have ever bombed
Kek fricking moron
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I kind of agree and don't want any character over saturated, but Hulk could carry a movie still
depends on the actor and writing. we've had some stinkers
5 months ago
Anonymous
I only think the Ang Lee Hulk outright sucks. The Incredible Hulk is decent and is over hated because normies had a hard on for Ruffalo
5 months ago
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I like both. I also heard Ultimate Destruction is a good game though I never played it. 2000s gave Hulk some good shit, shame his adaptations sucked afterwards. By the way, frick Mark Ruffalo.
5 months ago
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Yeah I've heard good things about that game. Shame Hulk is so restricted when it comes to movies.
5 months ago
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Crowded summer doesn’t mean shit. If it’s good, it’s legs will hold, if it’s fricking bad then it will flop. Movie was on the good side and it bombed. There were better characters to watch.
5 months ago
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>No good movies have ever bombed
Kek fricking moron
he really is best in small doses though
I kind of agree and don't want any character over saturated, but Hulk could carry a movie still
5 months ago
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>good movies have ever bombed
They bombed because people stopped caring.
5 months ago
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>They
Only one hulk movie "bombed" moron and I already said the Avengers gave him renewed interest, but didn't get followed up with a Hulk film. He's popular and corporate frickery preventing marvel from fully capitalizing on him doesn't change that.
5 months ago
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>Avengers gave him renewed interest
For a short period of time.
5 months ago
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>Short period of time
Not really. He's still popular and a straight forward hulk movie would probably be well received after years of subversive garbage. Hulk is a mainstay in normies minds whether you like it or not, casual
5 months ago
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>Hulk is a mainstay in normies minds whether you like it or not, casual
That’s every superhero
Honestly? I agree with you, he's works when he's a simply cartoonish angry character
However the moment you read his comics you notice how totally bland Bruce Banner is and how inconsistent Hulk is, it's always a different Hulk and Bruce Banner is never a character.
Gamma rays are figured out.
They are used to sterilize spices, but somehow not people.
But at the end of the day, the Hulk was always a shit hero.
Bruce Banner is an autist with the superpoower of tard rage.
That's it.
Tard rage.
And his skin is green.
And his torn short shorts are purple.
That's what defines him.
And then expressed solely through the filter of bad makeup, bad CGI, and bad Sega games.
That's it.
Tard strength hero. He can clap really hard too. That's a special attack.
Cates had an extremely mediocre run that ignored all of Ewing's shit and ended prematurely because he fell off the wagon. Now PKJ is doing a boring run that follows more directly from Ewing's stuff. If you liked that crap, you might like the current run.
Parapraxis, that is, there are no accidents.
He unconsciously fricked himself in a car accident because it was easier than trying to finish his shit comics.
Smashstronaut may have been the fricking dumbest concept in comic history.
>Smashstronaut may have been the fricking dumbest concept in comic history.
It was fricking great, the only issues were that it came directly after a run that was popular and offered a different statu quo to the character and the fact that the stories sucked. But the concept itself of Hulk being turned into a spaceship housing a tiny mind-Banner using Hulk's anger as fuel? It's borderline genius, it makes it even more of a waste.
>Why is (hero's name) such a wasted character in modern Marvel?
I suggest you take a good look at how Marvel treats Spider-Man, their flagship character.
Now tell me how other heroes even have a chance at this point.
If there's even a half-decent comic anywhere, it's in spite of modern writers not because of them.
>wasted
He's had his ongoing for years now and Immortal Hulk is one of the most acclaimed runs in recent memory. And the current run is pretty solid. Aaron's run is best left forgotten.
Because people keep trying to make him complex, he's a simple giant monster who act goofy sometimes, he's simple, he's just like Superman.
Stop trying to make him something he ins't, focus on the people around him instead, showing a new childhood trauma flashback every single run will not fix it, giving him a new personality and form as if he was a Digimon will not solve it, again he's just like Superman that's his appeal.
People need to stop with this complex garbage. You’re not complex if you have trauma, it’s just a mental illness. Again Hulk is best when he’s a powerhouse.
From a cinematic standpoint, probably the amount of CGI needed to maintain anything hulk-like.
From an animation standpoint, there seems to be a good amount of hulk material.
In non-comic media, it's because Hulk has to be able to sell toys, and he cant do that if he's too threatening or scary. Kids do not want to be scary. Kids want to be heroes.
In comic media, who cares. Comics are dead lolagsd2
But true. Might've been different in the past, but testosterone levels as they are now confirm my assertion.
Biggest moron on the board right now. Kids love playing villains or monsters just as much as heroes if not more. The biggest franchises among children and young teens right now are horror-based, and kids are usually specifically fans of the monsters.
Saying that children don't want to play as a scary monster is some beef brained bullshit. The problem with Hulk isn't that he's "scary", it's just that he's boring. Kids have popular monster characters already that have more interesting designs or powers. "Big Green Man who is Strong" is like the most boring character concept ever, and D&D is popular among kids and teens now so they would probably just rather play as an Orc.
>Kids love playing villains or monsters just as much as heroes if not more
Industrial-grade cope
all porch monkey Black folk, my friends and i all used to fight over who got to be darth vader or the shredder, and I would bet that's not an uncommon experience
I really like the current Hulk run so far actually.
Bad dad Hulk wandering the countryside with a kid he found, fighting badass tribalistic demons.
It's simple but it's fun.
It's just The Incredible Hulk (2023) by Phillip Kennedy Johnson, only 7 issues in so far.
There's Hulk veterans that don't like it just off the fact that it's coming off of a status quo reset, but if you're a new fan of the character and are looking for something fun and easy to read it's been pretty good.
I propose BIGGER hulk, but like somewhere between building, and maybe country or moon size. >what's the point
he's bigger? Not much point, it'll just make battles look different.
I can't figure it out. All the material is right there in Peter David's run: >1st movie - origin and OG Childlike Hulk >next few movies include some big event that brings out Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit and establishes Banner's multiple personality disorder >final film has his persona's merge into Professor to deal with the Guilt Hulk
And there you go, at least 4 film's worth of material, not including crossover/event films with other characters.
Just so long as they ignore the "there's really a million Hulk's" storyline that came after, although you could do something clever with Devil Hulk and Worldbreaker later on.
For a new Hulk story I think they should just rip off Geof Johns Lantern Corps aesthic. They already have red hulk, they just need to do other Hulks to make it convenient for the story but matching each one with a different emotion. You could have sad Hulk, lust Hulk ,happy Hulk, etc.
But imagine Lust Hulk though "I'm horny. You won't like me when I'm horny."
Creative bankruptcy. It's why Marvel always defaults Bruce back to:
>sad and disheveled vagabond with a monster living inside of him :'(
because every story with hulk had been said, there's nothing left, or this
>wasted
Immortal Hulk?
What gripping new thing can you do with a guy whose entire concept is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde story that's been told a million times?
Oddly enough, Hyde from LoEG is still my favorite version of the Hulk.
>Hyde from LoEG is still my favorite version of the Hulk
Yeah.
You do know that Hyde was a character long before Hulk, right?
Right?
Pic unrelated.
Book Hyde is small.
By your definition Hulk isn't a riff on Hyde (which he is).
You lost me.
That'll happen.
I didn't read League until after I saw the movie, and what started as a mildly entertaining film for me turned into a crime against humanity once I had read the source material.
The movie was a nightmare production, apparently. Sean Connery had a huge beef with the director, Stephen Norrington, and neither of them worked in live action again.
It seems like you're trying to start an argument, but you skipped several lines.
Because you're busy flipping burgers instead of writing for marvel
because 60 years ago Stan made the character defining decision of putting Hulk permanently at odds with the Avengers and Fantastic Four so that keeps him out general ongoings with the rest of the Marvel universe.
it does give Hulk some gravitas tho so when he does show to help it's always treated as a big deal.
They should bring Professor back and put him on the Avengers or Defenders
Or bring back Joe Fixit and have him do Vegas things
Or do Crossroads again but with spooky dimensions
... I just want Hulk to have fun. And get back together with one of his old flames who isn't Betty.
>letting, nu-marvel ruin Joe Fixit
His appearance in IH aside, they'd better not.
Status quo means he can never develop as a character without resetting to the same tired internal conflict nor can he meaningfully change the setting despite that being the immediate outlet.
>oh hulk destroyed [bumfrick nothing town in middle of nowhere]!
Having him evolve into a Shiva type character, where he destroys the old to make way for the new is the natural progression as him as a hero while still maintaining his rivalry with others but lmao starship hulk.
He's a literal manifestation of child abuse.
Cut him some slack.
Maybe because he’s a bad character? And all of his movies barely made over 200 million because he’s too hard to write.
This is why I don't come to Cinemaphile.
It’s true he was never good.
That's She-Hulk you mean.
Both are bad.
You should try actually reading comics
Pretty sure Ang Lee Hulk made a good profit. It was just a laughing stock critically and commercially
No it flopped hard.
Comics are garbage.
Frick off then. Your takes are worthless.
It's grossed 500+ mil on a budget of 137 million. You're factually wrong.
>Comics are garbage
Are you spamming this shit recently? Every comic thread has what seems like the same homosexual shitting up the threads with "comics suck" or "comics are dead" This has always been a niche medium. If you don't like it go watch whatever fotm normie shit is popular
Then the next one flopped. No one cares about Hulk anymore. He’s only good for being worfed.
No one knows, because no one reads comics.
>Doesn't like comics but desperately wants to discuss comic adjacent media
Fricking casuals and their insecurities
>Then the next one flopped
Hardly flopped and it was released in a crowded summer. Hulk was everyone's favorite character after the first Avengers movie and the only reason he doesn't get movies is because of Paramount getting paid for solo hulk movies. You literally don't know what the frick you're talking about. Sad.
he really is best in small doses though
He’s no one favorite character, not even in merch. I see people wear Spiderman, Batman, and Superman shirts alot. Hulk is so rare. He only pops up on Avengers merch, which he’s hard carried by.
most "big guns" are best in team settings
depends on the actor and writing. we've had some stinkers
I only think the Ang Lee Hulk outright sucks. The Incredible Hulk is decent and is over hated because normies had a hard on for Ruffalo
I like both. I also heard Ultimate Destruction is a good game though I never played it. 2000s gave Hulk some good shit, shame his adaptations sucked afterwards. By the way, frick Mark Ruffalo.
Yeah I've heard good things about that game. Shame Hulk is so restricted when it comes to movies.
Crowded summer doesn’t mean shit. If it’s good, it’s legs will hold, if it’s fricking bad then it will flop. Movie was on the good side and it bombed. There were better characters to watch.
>No good movies have ever bombed
Kek fricking moron
I kind of agree and don't want any character over saturated, but Hulk could carry a movie still
>good movies have ever bombed
They bombed because people stopped caring.
>They
Only one hulk movie "bombed" moron and I already said the Avengers gave him renewed interest, but didn't get followed up with a Hulk film. He's popular and corporate frickery preventing marvel from fully capitalizing on him doesn't change that.
>Avengers gave him renewed interest
For a short period of time.
>Short period of time
Not really. He's still popular and a straight forward hulk movie would probably be well received after years of subversive garbage. Hulk is a mainstay in normies minds whether you like it or not, casual
>Hulk is a mainstay in normies minds whether you like it or not, casual
That’s every superhero
>made a good profit
>laughing stock commercially
What?
Which is odd because it's pleb filter and pretty ambitious for its time. There's a reason Ang Lee went on to win several Oscars.
Honestly? I agree with you, he's works when he's a simply cartoonish angry character
However the moment you read his comics you notice how totally bland Bruce Banner is and how inconsistent Hulk is, it's always a different Hulk and Bruce Banner is never a character.
Gamma rays are figured out.
They are used to sterilize spices, but somehow not people.
But at the end of the day, the Hulk was always a shit hero.
Bruce Banner is an autist with the superpoower of tard rage.
That's it.
Tard rage.
And his skin is green.
And his torn short shorts are purple.
That's what defines him.
And then expressed solely through the filter of bad makeup, bad CGI, and bad Sega games.
That's it.
Tard strength hero. He can clap really hard too. That's a special attack.
What's Hulk up to these days? I remember a new run started last year but I didn't really bother with it.
Cates had an extremely mediocre run that ignored all of Ewing's shit and ended prematurely because he fell off the wagon. Now PKJ is doing a boring run that follows more directly from Ewing's stuff. If you liked that crap, you might like the current run.
>because he fell off the wagon.
I'm pretty sure it's because he got brain damage from a car crash.
Parapraxis, that is, there are no accidents.
He unconsciously fricked himself in a car accident because it was easier than trying to finish his shit comics.
Smashstronaut may have been the fricking dumbest concept in comic history.
>Smashstronaut may have been the fricking dumbest concept in comic history.
It was fricking great, the only issues were that it came directly after a run that was popular and offered a different statu quo to the character and the fact that the stories sucked. But the concept itself of Hulk being turned into a spaceship housing a tiny mind-Banner using Hulk's anger as fuel? It's borderline genius, it makes it even more of a waste.
It was fricking stupid.
Yes, of course, but the kind of stupid that, under different circumstances, could've been amazing
escalation problem, the fate of all superpowered characters.
>Why is (hero's name) such a wasted character in modern Marvel?
I suggest you take a good look at how Marvel treats Spider-Man, their flagship character.
Now tell me how other heroes even have a chance at this point.
If there's even a half-decent comic anywhere, it's in spite of modern writers not because of them.
>wasted
He's had his ongoing for years now and Immortal Hulk is one of the most acclaimed runs in recent memory. And the current run is pretty solid. Aaron's run is best left forgotten.
Because people keep trying to make him complex, he's a simple giant monster who act goofy sometimes, he's simple, he's just like Superman.
Stop trying to make him something he ins't, focus on the people around him instead, showing a new childhood trauma flashback every single run will not fix it, giving him a new personality and form as if he was a Digimon will not solve it, again he's just like Superman that's his appeal.
People need to stop with this complex garbage. You’re not complex if you have trauma, it’s just a mental illness. Again Hulk is best when he’s a powerhouse.
bruce jones run was good but controversial.
From a cinematic standpoint, probably the amount of CGI needed to maintain anything hulk-like.
From an animation standpoint, there seems to be a good amount of hulk material.
In non-comic media, it's because Hulk has to be able to sell toys, and he cant do that if he's too threatening or scary. Kids do not want to be scary. Kids want to be heroes.
In comic media, who cares. Comics are dead lolagsd2
>and he cant do that if he's too threatening or scary. Kids do not want to be scary.
This is a very veganal statement.
But true. Might've been different in the past, but testosterone levels as they are now confirm my assertion.
Biggest moron on the board right now. Kids love playing villains or monsters just as much as heroes if not more. The biggest franchises among children and young teens right now are horror-based, and kids are usually specifically fans of the monsters.
Saying that children don't want to play as a scary monster is some beef brained bullshit. The problem with Hulk isn't that he's "scary", it's just that he's boring. Kids have popular monster characters already that have more interesting designs or powers. "Big Green Man who is Strong" is like the most boring character concept ever, and D&D is popular among kids and teens now so they would probably just rather play as an Orc.
Fine. Go suck a dick somewhere else.
Can't, sorry. If I go somewhere else, you'll have to stop sucking mine.
Stupid mother fricker
>Kids love playing villains or monsters just as much as heroes if not more
Industrial-grade cope
all porch monkey Black folk, my friends and i all used to fight over who got to be darth vader or the shredder, and I would bet that's not an uncommon experience
More like their mommies didn't allow them to have "evil" toys so now they seethe about it on an anonymous Khazikstani sheepskin condom
I really like the current Hulk run so far actually.
Bad dad Hulk wandering the countryside with a kid he found, fighting badass tribalistic demons.
It's simple but it's fun.
I like this.
What's the current run called?
It's just The Incredible Hulk (2023) by Phillip Kennedy Johnson, only 7 issues in so far.
There's Hulk veterans that don't like it just off the fact that it's coming off of a status quo reset, but if you're a new fan of the character and are looking for something fun and easy to read it's been pretty good.
They can't wrap their heads around authentic emotion
Give me more versions of hulk.
I propose BIGGER hulk, but like somewhere between building, and maybe country or moon size.
>what's the point
he's bigger? Not much point, it'll just make battles look different.
>"bigger batman" might unironically work for Hulk
lol
>tHe HuLk Is NoT pOpUlAr!
Fricking tourists.
So we can all agree jason aaron's run indestructible hulk is the worst one in the last 20 years?
No one would know because no one read it.
I miss the funny and stupid times, about this time I started to read comicbooks on daily basis.
I read it, but marc silvestri dropped really fast from that book
That shit was like was written by a 13 year old.
>"I had to kill the Banner inside me"
Fricking cringe.
Why do you feel that's something a 13 year old would write?
I can't figure it out. All the material is right there in Peter David's run:
>1st movie - origin and OG Childlike Hulk
>next few movies include some big event that brings out Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit and establishes Banner's multiple personality disorder
>final film has his persona's merge into Professor to deal with the Guilt Hulk
And there you go, at least 4 film's worth of material, not including crossover/event films with other characters.
Just so long as they ignore the "there's really a million Hulk's" storyline that came after, although you could do something clever with Devil Hulk and Worldbreaker later on.
For a new Hulk story I think they should just rip off Geof Johns Lantern Corps aesthic. They already have red hulk, they just need to do other Hulks to make it convenient for the story but matching each one with a different emotion. You could have sad Hulk, lust Hulk ,happy Hulk, etc.
But imagine Lust Hulk though "I'm horny. You won't like me when I'm horny."
Here you go, Satan