I watch it through Kodi and the episode descriptions basically explain the whole plot. It's actually kinda handy when i take a break and need a reminder of what's going on.
>fascism
/pol/acks probably look at this anime and think "wow based blonde haired blue eyed space hitler!!" but the show actually condemns fascism
Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential. The actual fascists in the show were the Goldenbaums and they're pretty explicitly portrayed as evil
>Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential
He didn't say that. He said that people that boast about their genes without putting them to any purpose are shit and a waste of air.
If they actually made some contributions and had acomplishments that they had "better genes" he would welcome them.
But the people with "better" genes are content with just that, they never put them to use and expect the "bad" genes to pick up the slack and treat them like gods even if they just inherited the greatness of their ancestors but never living up to their potential.
How is genetic potential related to fascism? How condemning one would be condemning the other? israeli tier debating.
First you correlate stuff that has no correlation, you are probably implying Hitler's economic and moral crusade was even related at all to genes. Then you disprove one, by disproving the other that has no correlation other than what you implied.
Hell he wasnt even a fascist to begin with. He was authoritarian.
Why is it always glowies using these images? Anyways fascism crept into democracy pretty early on, even gave us the typical neocon speech. Reinhard spoke about genetics in the same way an admissions process determines someone is an exception. The great thing is that exceptional people often come from families of good genes that met a life-changing obstacle such as war, collapse of society, natural disasters, which compels them to uproot their family and restart their lives.
Reinhard is more of a centrist bonapartist autocrat, but still 100% far right by all our modern standards
He thinks some people are simply better than others, and wants a society where these people have the opportunity to climb the social ladder and find a spot worthy of their value, regardless of chastes of money. So it's a social darwinism society
>fascism
/pol/acks probably look at this anime and think "wow based blonde haired blue eyed space hitler!!" but the show actually condemns fascism
Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential. The actual fascists in the show were the Goldenbaums and they're pretty explicitly portrayed as evil
How can the show be saying literally anything about fascism when there is none in it?
Stupid uneducated c**ts.
It attacks democracy and the rebellion, aka republic tantrum, against the aristocrat/monarchy. The modern version did its best to bastardize and malign the latter and persuade people to choose the FP Alliance.
Because the monarchical Germanic empire is unironically better than the democratic rebels. It would be a nightmare for people to watch this and think, "Wait, SHOULD we have a King or an Emperor???"
You can always try watching the ongoing remake if you're filtered by the original.
It's faster, flashier and less "boring", it has a much bigger budget and it shows, also there's an official English dub. The core of the story is all there but you'll miss some kino character interactions, plus the designs are gaygier.
Sometimes it's closer to the books than the original, but the old anime took some liberties that made certain characters way more memorable.
So start with the two (old) prequel movies, then go for the original and only try the remake if you can't stand it.
Keep in mind the story starts getting REALLY interesting after a huge setup of 20+ episodes or something.
Watched the remake after reading the books (as they got translated) and I honestly don't hate it.
Sure I could write a whole essay of criticism (especially by comparing it to the older adaptation) but overall it's a good way to re-experience the whole thing.
Still, I can't really tell if it's possible to really get into the franchise by watching it instead of the original.
Guess it's better than nothing if you get filtered by the old animation and pacing
Sure, old one is good with the 110 episodes. Bad one is modernized in both animation, design, and story. Modernized in the sense that something like a Netflix adaptation.
the worst thing about lots of these japanese cartoons is the 20 minute runtime, 5 minutes of which is the opening credits and the closing credits, with several more minutes just rehashing what happened last episode to catch people up to speed.
there's way too much time wasted in this format, it's such a shitty way to watch a story, just designed to get kids watching as many toy advertisements as possible.
Frick the remake. Only watch the OVA for the og series
you guys are so full of shit, the remake is unironically great and it's not even rushed, it takes more time than the original when it comes to pacing and is far more faithful to the books, this is just you speaking through nostalgia goggles, and are you really implying the OVA's designs weren't also homosexual? why do you think this series has so many gay doujins?
DNT is worth watching, stop with the slander.
t.rabid OVA enjoyer
you get used to the designs just as you get used to the slideshow battles in the original after a couple of episodes.
you dismissing it because it's "visually unappealing" is no different than people who dismiss the OVA because "it looks old".
DNT isn’t bad, it’s just unnecessary given that the OVAs are so good.
maybe, but it's still a good anime made in a sea of isekai & shounengarbage so I won't complain about it, it's certainly a better use of Production I.G's talents than whatever homosexual sports anime they were going to make next.
Take the two versions of "Liberation of the Frontier Zone", (aka Episode 14 of the original and Episode 11 of the remake).
They pretty much cover the same amount of plot, but time is managed very differently.
Here's some examples:
while remake episode is 1 minute longer, it wastes like 2 minutes on scenery (like ships taking off and similar stuff) plus 3 whole minutes of credits. The original cut the ending credits entirely to leave more room for the plot, and doesn't feature such "cinematic" scenery at all.
In the remake, the Star Officer dialogue is almost 5 minutes long, including the overly dramatic Ace Attorney-tier hysteria of the officer. The same dialogue only lasts around 2 minutes in the original, and it comes off as more natural and less anime-y.
Still, how did the original use all the time it gained by staying focused?
It added more plot.
They managed to fit in a whole subplot about the farmers, a couple of scenes focused on the Empire (while the remake entirely skips them), they quickly show Rubinsky's point of view, and they literally added a FRICKING love story (which almost lasts 8 minutes).
None of this is retained in the remake.
And none of it is useless.
Seeing the farmer's revolt and its outcome hits differently, because you familiarized with them and their struggle. The love story actually puts the viewer in the middle of the conflict and makes the whole thing way more tragic and "human". As a result, the politics bits have much greater weight despite being shorter.
The remake only focuses on the politics/management side of the issue (only form the Republic point of view) while entirely skipping the repercussions it has on people.
tl;dr: the original had a much better use of the same runtime. That's what people mean when they say it's "rushed".
Plus it does look homosexual.
I still like it, it's underrated because of morons that never watched it, but it has flaws.
Seems like The original is trying to be more neutral, or even pending in favor of Reinhard's system. While the remake it's clearly in favor of the Alliance and focus mostly on it, right?
In this case, i would be curious to discover which version is more faithfull to the original light novels
series never pulled punches on character deaths, then suddenly decided to backload them to the point most were contrived and senseless. I don't even have an issue with the Terraist stuff.
kind of agree with this. Felt like "not enough" characters died, only 4 Imperial admirals in the last season, 2 of which were unrelated to the final battle/war. 2 of the FPA I think who all died in the final war
I remember watching this at the same time Game of Thrones season 4 or 5 was airing, and being genuinely shocked that this show did a better job making me care more about some random farmer on some random planet than literally any GoT character
i think its better that more or less every other sci-fi series out there tbh
the only thing i dislike is the lack of ground combat and the fact they use axes
>Eat shit because i'm following the rules
YOU and the other off-topic shitposters are in the wrong. Deal with it
If you want to talk about the anime, Cinemaphile is the place. If this topic is a tiny velied apologia of fascism, then /misc/ should be the place for this thread
>The English debut of the novel series in 2016 was described as long-awaited and overdue.[29][30][31] Publishers Weekly criticized the David Huddleston's translation of the first novel, Dawn, stating it was "a slog". The novel as-a-whole was criticized for the "shallow" female characters.[32]
Wasn't he a virgin? Man's first time was raw dog and it was the only woman whose intellect he respected. He came buckets and wanted to put a ring on it.
That movie is just a prequel that need to explain a couple of quotes from the proper OAV about the two protagonists previous and first battle.
I would suggest to watch the first 10 or so episodes of the proper OAV series and see if you enjoy them. The first episodes are kind slow and focused in worldbuilding, but then a couple of sudden events makes everything spiraling into the hot stuff
why the frick can't asiatics make their shit in a comprehensible order?
It took me 40 minutes to find out I should Conquest is the Sea of Stars and it turns out to be some bullshit pointless prequel, and I should have watched these other things are difficult to figure out what they even are?
What the frick is an OAV series? An OVA? Is an OVA movie but there's an OVA series with 10 episodes?
At this point I don't give a frick and I'm turning my back on anime.
"OAV" back then was used for any kind of japanese animation that wasnt hired on any broadcast television and instea produced directly for the home video industry, regardless of the lenght
LOTGH was made directly for the home video scene, and released as "seasons" of around 25 episodes each to be sent directly at the homes of those who subscripted to the series every few years
Just look for the proper series of 110 episodes aired between 1988 and 1998. The rest are optional short movies about events that happened before the start of the proper series but are mentioned a lot (like in the very first episodes, in which Reinhard mentioned to have already fought Yang. Their first battle is the plot of the first optional movie)
"OAV" back then was used for any kind of japanese animation that wasnt hired on any broadcast television and instea produced directly for the home video industry, regardless of the lenght
LOTGH was made directly for the home video scene, and released as "seasons" of around 25 episodes each to be sent directly at the homes of those who subscripted to the series every few years
Just look for the proper series of 110 episodes aired between 1988 and 1998. The rest are optional short movies about events that happened before the start of the proper series but are mentioned a lot (like in the very first episodes, in which Reinhard mentioned to have already fought Yang. Their first battle is the plot of the first optional movie)
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why the frick can't asiatics make their shit in a comprehensible order?
It took me 40 minutes to find out I should Conquest is the Sea of Stars and it turns out to be some bullshit pointless prequel, and I should have watched these other things are difficult to figure out what they even are?
What the frick is an OAV series? An OVA? Is an OVA movie but there's an OVA series with 10 episodes?
At this point I don't give a frick and I'm turning my back on anime.
That movie is just a prequel that need to explain a couple of quotes from the proper OAV about the two protagonists previous and first battle.
I would suggest to watch the first 10 or so episodes of the proper OAV series and see if you enjoy them. The first episodes are kind slow and focused in worldbuilding, but then a couple of sudden events makes everything spiraling into the hot stuff
Don't skip the first few EPS for Overture to A New War. It does spoil shit, and you won't know who the frick anyone is. It expects you to know who everyone is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>first few EPS
it's literally two episodes and every scene is also in the movie
2 years ago
Anonymous
"OAV" back then was used for any kind of japanese animation that wasnt hired on any broadcast television and instea produced directly for the home video industry, regardless of the lenght
LOTGH was made directly for the home video scene, and released as "seasons" of around 25 episodes each to be sent directly at the homes of those who subscripted to the series every few years
Just look for the proper series of 110 episodes aired between 1988 and 1998. The rest are optional short movies about events that happened before the start of the proper series but are mentioned a lot (like in the very first episodes, in which Reinhard mentioned to have already fought Yang. Their first battle is the plot of the first optional movie)
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Quick guide:
>Conquest is the Sea of Stars
Prequel to the series. Basically an extra >Overture to a New War
Movie remake of the first two episodes (much better btw), watch it and skip to episode 3 >Legend of the Galactic Heroes
The actual series.
Episodes are called "OAVs" because they weren't made for TV, the book series was popular enough that they didn't need a network and chose to sell episodes in VHS to found the next stuff instead.
Watch the Blue Ray edition, as they remade lots of the animation (it's kinda jarring as you can easily spot the new stuff, but it makes more sense overall).
Either watch that, OR >Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These
A modern remake of the old series. It's honestly better than expected, more of a new adaptation of the books than an actual remake.
Designs are pretty homosexual and you'll miss some minor scenes, but it flows well and it'll grab your attention faster than the old one.
Watch that if you can't bear the old pacing.
If you want more when you're done, watch >Legend of the Galactic Heroes Gaiden
A whole prequel series focused on the youth of the protagonists. Arcs are hit or miss but there's some gold in there.
>Golden Wings
Skip it. It's probably the gayest thing ever animated. Just a useless prequel with shit you already saw in the series, except it's unapologetically gay.
What?
Overture is literally made as a replacement of the first two episodes.
It doesn't cut anything and doesn't spoil anything, it only expands what's already there and the end product is better.
It even ties to My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars if you started with that, giving an actual purpose to the setup (other than a throwaway line).
>bro you just have to watch the anime >here's a quick guide though (full page essay) >and don't skip this thing >but you need skip this thing >the thing you watched is a spoiler, even thought it was the first one released >btw if you don't watch the super sentai parody show you're not going to understand 99.99% of the anime >you have to watch it in alphabetical order >by episode name not OVA name >NO not latin alphabet, the Koine greek alphabet >make sure to get the Gainax dub not the original
I was right to turn my back on anime for this shit, I'm not watching this show after reading all this bullshit.
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Anonymous
Dude, frick those homies. Everyone I knew who loved LOTGH JUST watched the OVA. That's all you need. It's just LOTGH EP 1 till the end. Nothing special. Also, ignoring potentially great stuff because of messy side material is kind of lame tbh.
The reason why My Conquest is The Seat of Stars movie is recommended is because it's the pilot episode, and is referred to in the show.
Ignore that homosexual telling you to swap episodes out and stuff. Just watch the series itself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I watched Gaiden before the OVAs and it was great, I already knew and cared deeply for the main characters when I started the regular series
2 years ago
Anonymous
yup kinda wished I watched Gaiden before the OVA as well
2 years ago
Anonymous
You literally do not have to watch the OVA.
Just watch the anime series itself it's a self contained story.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude.. the show is an OVA lmao. When people talk about LOTGH, it IS the OVA they're talking about
2 years ago
Anonymous
The OVA is referring to the movies surely.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I watched Gaiden before the OVAs and it was great, I already knew and cared deeply for the main characters when I started the regular series
That's your personal experience, and that's entirely on you. That's not something I'd recommend to anyone as you're putting your subjective experience over the release order, where stuff is revealed in a certain order intentionally. Gaiden is also extremely spotty. It's stupid how certain characters met, and fought somehow before the series happened.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's stupid how certain characters met, and fought somehow before the series happened
That's the thing, it doesn't feel nearly as forced if you watched it first. It's just shit that happens naturally from your point of view, you only realize the relevance of some characters/interactions later, and you perceive them as foreshadowing rather than fanservice.
It's also better because you genuinely don't know who's gonna die, you totally won't realize some characters have plot armor (as they need to survive for their later appearances). Some characters will fade into irrelevancy, others will die, some others will join the cast as protagonists. You just can't tell.
Watching the original OVAs first naturally kills all of that and makes the prequels corny and unnecessary in comparison, but I can get the "watch in release order" argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gaiden is just fluff for hardcore fans it's not necessary.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you want to miss out on one of the best series of all time, then that's your loss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Imagine getting filtered by basic fricking instructions
2 years ago
Anonymous
>filtered by a list
It's like giving up on Star Trek because having more than a single product is too confusing
2 years ago
Anonymous
I gave up star trek after watching TNG because none of the rest of it is worth watching.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Better than dropping it from the start because the "contents" square on the wikipedia page of the franchise is too long
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's not the length, it's how convoluted it is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude... It's a case of watching from EP 1 to the end, and an optional pilot episode. That's all there is. The morons recommending you jump to the Gaiden and other shit are homosexuals you should ignore.
>Conquest is the Sea of Stars
Prequel to the series. Basically an extra >Overture to a New War
Movie remake of the first two episodes (much better btw), watch it and skip to episode 3 >Legend of the Galactic Heroes
The actual series.
Episodes are called "OAVs" because they weren't made for TV, the book series was popular enough that they didn't need a network and chose to sell episodes in VHS to found the next stuff instead.
Watch the Blue Ray edition, as they remade lots of the animation (it's kinda jarring as you can easily spot the new stuff, but it makes more sense overall).
Either watch that, OR >Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These
A modern remake of the old series. It's honestly better than expected, more of a new adaptation of the books than an actual remake.
Designs are pretty homosexual and you'll miss some minor scenes, but it flows well and it'll grab your attention faster than the old one.
Watch that if you can't bear the old pacing.
If you want more when you're done, watch >Legend of the Galactic Heroes Gaiden
A whole prequel series focused on the youth of the protagonists. Arcs are hit or miss but there's some gold in there.
>Golden Wings
Skip it. It's probably the gayest thing ever animated. Just a useless prequel with shit you already saw in the series, except it's unapologetically gay.
>Watch Overture to a New War next
Don't fricking do this. Jesus christ. Watch things in release order for gods sake.
What's next? Are you gonna tell us to start cowboy bebop with episode 14 because it's a prequel episode that explains the girls backstory?
You absolute morons.
What?
Overture is literally made as a replacement of the first two episodes.
It doesn't cut anything and doesn't spoil anything, it only expands what's already there and the end product is better.
It even ties to My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars if you started with that, giving an actual purpose to the setup (other than a throwaway line).
That movie is just a prequel that need to explain a couple of quotes from the proper OAV about the two protagonists previous and first battle.
I would suggest to watch the first 10 or so episodes of the proper OAV series and see if you enjoy them. The first episodes are kind slow and focused in worldbuilding, but then a couple of sudden events makes everything spiraling into the hot stuff
To be fair the first "season" is kinda slow and underwhelming.
It's like the whole point was to show how dysfunctional both sides are at the beginning (the Empire is built on aristocratic nepotism and as such it's full of morons filling important spots in the army, while the Republic is a bureaucratic nightmare led by career politicians and inept generals).
Sure that allows the protagonists to shine, but their brilliance is held back by the fact they're surrounded by mouth breathers.
Yea, the first part can really be an hit or miss. People arent used of such slow burning anime.
The first part is really the main reason this series remained one of the best pleb filter in the entire weeb universe
The first game is basically KOTOR 1 with some minor changes.
Though Mass Effect, Star Wars and Legend of the Galactic Heroes just touch different areas of space shit.
>Star Wars
Standard good vs evil, an adventure where the good guys overcome challenges and defeat the bad guys. Literal heroes journey. >LotGH
Autistic and political. More realistic. No well defined good vs evil but individuals with individual goals and ambitions. >Mass Effect
Somewhat similair to Star Wars but with more realistically written characters. Somewhere in the middle.
Better characters and stories with political and moral consequences. No childish garbage like good and evil, just areas of gray. Not over exposed and the fans aren't cancerous trash.
I am writing this as my dinner cooks in the oven
I will debate any of you idiots AFTER I eat and it's an endeavor to take my head out of my ass to eat and shove it back in again so hear me out
this show kicks ass and I assume the books are better. I have never felt more attached to a set of characters than I have with this show. everyone who wanks the fact that lotgh is "pro-fascist" is so ludicrously short sighted that it makes me laugh. the show is as pro-fascism as it is pro-democracy - the real overall message is about being uncompromising. Trunict was so indebted to the terraists that even though he did everything right (against invasion, returning to the alliance), he had no power without them (forced to accept babby emperor). Yang constantly had no friends but with his purity of will, he used what he did have to its maximum, which amounted to a piece of fricking paper. a piece of paper which we can only assume is going to blossom into a gorgeous, some kind of free future for mankind because of how the narrator (who is narrating from the future) is respectful to all parties.
if you missed the importance of how Reinhardt was only able to achieve military victories due the fervor of his dick suckers (he overthrew the nobles, gaining the endless loyalty of enough to overcome the fervor of the alliance defending their homes) then you're just in it for the space battles, which kick ass by the way holy shit every single one is amazing I was just to pilot a spartanian and destroy an entire imperial cruiser my wiener is so hard thinking about the best character of the show, Jessica Edwards. she knew when shit was awry and stood her ground in the face of tyranny. the first so many excellent characters
my food is done probably
>I assume the books are better.
The books read pretty much like a script of the show.
First one has a bit of extra backstory that gets covered later in the anime but you won't miss out that much by watching it instead of reading it.
In fact it's harder to keep track of 1000 german names if you totally lack a visual feedback
>prequeeeeel >a work (such as a novel or a play) whose story precedes that of an earlier work
My Conquest is the Sea of Stars premiered 10 months before episode 1 of the 110 episode OVA. It's not a prequel. It's the pilot movie like Babylon 5: The Gathering is to Babylon 5.
Actually I don't remember reading about the battle depicted in My Conquest is the Sea of Stars in the first book.
Pretty sure it was written later as an extra (the new anime is more faithful in terms of chronology and I think it also skipped it). Wouldn't consider it as "the start of the story", it's more like the prequel anime imho. Just extra background, despite being the first thing adapted on screen
My Conquest is the pilot movie and the 110 episode OVA is its sequel and that is factual. Bringing up the novels it was adapted from or if a remake anime skipped things, doesn't factor into it.
Sort of. He was a man of ambition similar to Reinhard and while he always respected his superiority he resented being cucked out of even having the choice to turn traitor when they took down the alliance homeworld. So when the earthlets and that one c**t who took advantage kept painting him with the traitor brush instead of grovelling for forgiveness a second time he decided to take the brush himself while knowing the inevitable outcome
The whole circumstances of his rebellion were frustrating but you have to admit he went out with style. Finally killing that snake Trunicht and not breaking character for this ho.
I mean he has a few moments where he's just -right- after standing around for the whole occasion, upending the characters actually doing the fighting, but then he does some fighting himself, always performing modestly and I happen to like him quite a lot because he places honor and shit on such a high pedestal - something a lot of characters in this show have
he has a cute girlfriend too
It isn’t. The series is just an exposition on the pros and cons of democracies and monarchies but without any real incite or opinion from the author. Star Wars actually explores the pros and cons of these systems as well, but in a more original manner. Notice that in star wars the problem that brought in palpatine was bureaucracy. This problem doesn’t magically go away by introducing a dictator. Star Wars balances a lot more simultaneously than legends. In Legends, we aren’t meant to care for anything than the analysis of the different government systems. yang has no personality other than embodying democracy; the same applies to Reinhardt. Star Wars is a true cinematic masterpiece. Legends is pompous filler. One is better of simply reading Montesquieus spirit of the law since that’s really the depth of political discussion that legends steeps to, and at least Montesquieu articulates his points clearly. Iow legends is a mere summary of political views with nothing original to say. Star Wars is an artistic and technological achievement, blending politics and Greek tragedy into a single medium.
>Star Wars is an artistic and technological achievement, blending politics and Greek tragedy into a single medium.
Lmao. Star wars is low brow shit, go read a book you absolute moron.
Legends is copy/paste of shit philosophers already said. Nothing original about it. Liking a drawn out boring and unoriginal series doesn’t make you clever my guy. Legends once again shows the INFERIORITY of the Japanese arts compared to the west. It is an imitation of what better books have already discussed
Idc about weebshit but if your last sentence was serious you are an infantile child and you should read more books. Only a moronic teenager would think SW is anything other than low brow entertainment.
>low brow
You like repeating yourself. Legends is ‘lower brow’ than star wars. It’s for midwits to feel smart. In fact, it’s the perfect example of a midwit show like startrek.
>Legends is copy/paste of shit philosophers already said.
Not really.
I studied political philosophy and there's very little of that in LOTGH in terms of theory. You won't find Plato, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Tocqueville, let alone Weber/Marx or post-1850s authors in general. Maybe some minor one liners can be interpreted as references, but it really doesn't explore their ideas and beliefs.
Overall it doesn't feel like it's written by a philosopher (or an expert of the field), the author is clearly a historian and it shows. Instead of dwelling into theory it gives you a scenario where several opposed political systems of the past (and present) are put in practice; they're indefinitely left to do their thing until they reach a breaking point, which is what you see in the series.
You can argue there's a bit of sociology in there but very little classical political philosophy (western at least, I don't really know about their asian counterparts)
All thing considered, it's pretty unique. It doesn't fantasize about utopian/dystopian political models (like most "political fiction" does), it stays rooted to reality (or at least realism) without trying to preach or teach you a specific moral lesson.
The fact the author is impartial doesn't mean the characters are as well, the cast is motivated by various (often conflicting) sets of beliefs and you can find yourself agreeing with some and disagreeing with others. I don't think I ever saw another scifi doing it better than LOTGH.
Legends is copy/paste of shit philosophers already said. Nothing original about it. Liking a drawn out boring and unoriginal series doesn’t make you clever my guy. Legends once again shows the INFERIORITY of the Japanese arts compared to the west. It is an imitation of what better books have already discussed
>Legends, legends, legends , legends
It isn't plural you stupid b***h. Makes sense you'd promote something like fricking Star Wars if you can't get a detail like that right.
Star Wars is a child's attempt at trying to ape Kurosawa, particularly the Hidden Fortress. The franchise is currently a laughing stock and Lucas was always a hack. Stay mad.
>Notice that in star wars the problem that brought in palpatine was bureaucracy. >This problem doesn’t magically go away by introducing a dictator.
Doesn't that happen in Star Wars tho?
The Republic was a bureaucratic mess and arguably worked less efficiently than the Empire. You can say its complex bureaucracy was exploited by Palpatine to plant the seed of civil war that eventually collapsed the whole system.
While Palpatine kept the senate after Order 66, he gradually reduced its influence and made himself the only absolute power in the galaxy.
Of course that created a central point of failure (killing Palpatine ended the Empire) but it unified the galaxy in a way that the republic was never able to accomplish.
You can say the problem of bureaucracy brought in a dictator, but also went away after the introduction of such dictator.
In Legend of the Galactic Heroes nothing like that ever happens.
Degeneracy and social unrest brought in a dictator, but the Empire was never really plagued by excessive bureaucracy. It was instead held down by a class of unmeritocratic aristocrats that built an authoritarian hierarchy.
The problem was momentarily solved with a coup d'etat that replaced the old de-facto oligarchy with a system of enlightened despotism (which also didn't last).
The republic, on the other hand, was an excessively bureaucratic democracy (specifically because they wanted to avoid any form of authoritarianism), but its shortcomings and the selfishness of career politicians led to its collapse.
I honestly don't get why people don't want to see more shows like these. It's rather political but it's not being dumb about it. Do people just want to see dumb shit and not actually watch something that might broaden their minds a little bit?
I prefer ChaDUNE but LotGH is great too. SW has completely lost me. I even got rid of tons of merch and held onto a few special pieces. At the end I realised I didn’t particularly care for it, I just liked a couple of characters and some aspects. Honestly, I was just a big KotORgay. I can’t say I care much about the mainstream settings and characters, with a few exceptions. The Old Republic was just that much better in every aspect, from aesthetics to stories.
depends, if creamy sheev decided to frick his sister he would join the empire and rise through the ranks until he is right below vader and try a coup d'etat
LoGH, and in fact 90% of anime, is less troony than any of the films or TV shows made today. Imagine whinging about anime on a board that's filled with cape shit and didney shilling all day.
Nah /swg/ is/was posting Obi-chan fanart that I don’t think is very good, and when I started thinking about female Obi-Wan I realized I was basically thinking of Frederica.
I wish the battles were better or more clever at least. Just yang master commander he thinks of a circle shit doesn't really cut it when it's supposed to be integral to the plot. I think something similar with we iserlohn now too, just ass pull for the plot to work. That's really my only gripe, but it gets annoying since the stakes of the series ends up on these battles and they are a bit nonsensical.
Battles in the remake are nothing but pew pew shooty action. Plus the ship designs are laughably inferior, in the original the FPA was utilitarian, focused on packing as much punch as possible, while the empire was extravagant and more armoured. Ships fought like Napoleon in space because it essentially was, they had lightspeed beam cannons that were easy to miss because they were so far away from each other, but a single shot would kill or cripple a ship. New one is just shitty overdesigned cgi that shoots laser bolts at each other.
The first part is a strong filter because it's very slow worldbuilding. Things become more fun one a certain character suddenly dies causing mayhem in both powers
It doesn't have supernatural elements with two autismo-orders. Also, better motivations for the cast to do what they eventually did. Even the Lippstadt-nobles had reasons to be comically evil.
CCA spells it out that he at least manipulates young naïve girls to get what he wants. Maybe not fricking, but he sure does know they are in love with him.
>Regarding the character of Char's love interest Nanai, Tomino said, "To a certain degree as you get older, you can really understand a person through that part (sex)... and at those times, you can't detach sex from your thinking. That's why I absolutely have to imagine what Nanai's vegana is like. It's something I particularly think about during the scriptwriting phase."
>He went on to say that when drawing the storyboards, he thought, "I don't want her vegana to be all withered out," because he thought "it would reflect poorly on Char, and Nanai isn't a dull woman herself." He wanted to convey the feeling of their relationship in the scene where Nanai sits on Char's lap. "It was a challenge to myself to figure out what this woman would be like when she's sitting there, being made love to. It was no trifling matter."
>He also said that he conceived Nanai as the kind of self-confident woman who would be a good match for Char. "There are times when a man wants to embrace a woman, and I thought, 'If he's going to do it, it might as well be with a woman like Nanai.'"
I think that's why Reinhard kept him around. Every time needs a based moron. His constant antagonism with Oberstein also served as a kind of safety check on him.
I think that's why Reinhard kept him around. Every time needs a based moron. His constant antagonism with Oberstein also served as a kind of safety check on him.
Kek, every single time Bittenfeld appears on the screen you know something BASED and kino is about to go down.
Bittenfield had several successful offensives.
Its Leninkempf that comes out of nowhere.
Who was he? What did he do?
Seems like The original is trying to be more neutral, or even pending in favor of Reinhard's system. While the remake it's clearly in favor of the Alliance and focus mostly on it, right?
In this case, i would be curious to discover which version is more faithfull to the original light novels
>The original is trying to be more neutral, or even pending in favor of Reinhard's system
One of the main themes of the original is the democratic value struggle against enlightened dictators
Bittenfeld's great. His only tactic is "charge directly at the enemy" but sometimes that's exactly what you need. Sometimes it causes problems, but sometimes it routes the enemy and inspires your own men.
If you are REALLY great at relentess devastating assaults, sometimes not even the finest tactician can come up to a solution to stop you
And in a battle between two master tacticians of equal power, having the better blind charge assault commander may be the key element to settle the winner
Yang himself recognize that, while Bittenfiled is one of Reinhard's commander more easily baited into traps, his offensive skills are so dangerous and his personality so unpredictable he know he have to be cautious when facing him, because it can be a double edged sword
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Yep, it's why Reinhard never really punished Bittenfeld if he screwed up, he just thought of better ways to use him. His idea of keeping him in reserve, and then letting him pick the moment to charge in after the battle started, was genius. The absolute best way to use him.
For me it's Schenkopp. >peerless in hand to hand combat >feared by everyone >actually very smart too but mostly keeps his opinions to himself, only shares them in private with Yang >bangs a different woman every night >every time he goes planet-side he comes back covered in panties and lipstick
The original series has no dub. The new series does, I think, but it's also not anywhere near done. At the rate they're adapting the books, you'll be waiting most of a decade for it to finish. No I'm not joking. Even the original series took over a decade to finish.
I see. I was just wodering if it is different as I have read the author stated that he later thought that the death of two major characters ( Yang and Kirchies) of the series should have happened during that battle where Yang fights his way through waves of lines to Reinhardt.
Kirchies death was a shock moment, but i do agree it should had happened right before Reinhard's official incoronation. Would had been perfect as the turning point between the two halfs of the series
Yang death instead was perfect. After lecturing Julian countless times about how "terrorism acts never changed history", ironically his death by a terrorist murder DID changed history. This also proved Yang was in some ways indeed undefeatable and unkillable in battles, so it had to die in different means
The OVA just adds a little bit of background stuff and some little changes. Overall it's pretty close.
The biggest change is some characters getting merged into others or not mentioned for convenience, since there's almost too many characters to keep track of as is. Dusty for instance is portrayed as being Yang's best buddy the whole way through, but in the books he's split between a few different characters if I'm remembering right.
The best part about this is that it wasn't part of some elaborate keikaku, he wasn't anybody's martyr or sacrificial lamb, he did this of his own will purely to be an butthole.
The only objectively bad thing about this show is that all the good characters are in the Empire. I literally don’t even remember anyone except Jang, Julian Su, the flirt guy, American Jang and the Imperial deserter
>110 episodes strong of Fascism and strongman wanking apologism
Lol no.
>Fascism apologetics
holy based
I guess I'll give it a go then at least 10 eps
You need to at least finish the first season
Thanks I'll give it a watch now.
don't look up anything online or IMDB because you will be spoiled, even by thumbnails and descriptions of episodes
I watch it through Kodi and the episode descriptions basically explain the whole plot. It's actually kinda handy when i take a break and need a reminder of what's going on.
>fascism
/pol/acks probably look at this anime and think "wow based blonde haired blue eyed space hitler!!" but the show actually condemns fascism
Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential. The actual fascists in the show were the Goldenbaums and they're pretty explicitly portrayed as evil
it more explores the strengths and weaknesses of dictatorships and democracies
>Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential
Easy to say when you're a genius aryan with superior DNA
>Reinhard says multiple times throughout the show that your genetics don't determine your potential
He didn't say that. He said that people that boast about their genes without putting them to any purpose are shit and a waste of air.
If they actually made some contributions and had acomplishments that they had "better genes" he would welcome them.
But the people with "better" genes are content with just that, they never put them to use and expect the "bad" genes to pick up the slack and treat them like gods even if they just inherited the greatness of their ancestors but never living up to their potential.
>sneaky israelites playing both sides are the real evil people
Damn. . .
Absolute brainlet take
You mean how reinhard condems bad monarchs but monarchy at all? Did you even watch the show you moron
How is genetic potential related to fascism? How condemning one would be condemning the other? israeli tier debating.
First you correlate stuff that has no correlation, you are probably implying Hitler's economic and moral crusade was even related at all to genes. Then you disprove one, by disproving the other that has no correlation other than what you implied.
Hell he wasnt even a fascist to begin with. He was authoritarian.
Why is it always glowies using these images? Anyways fascism crept into democracy pretty early on, even gave us the typical neocon speech. Reinhard spoke about genetics in the same way an admissions process determines someone is an exception. The great thing is that exceptional people often come from families of good genes that met a life-changing obstacle such as war, collapse of society, natural disasters, which compels them to uproot their family and restart their lives.
Reinhard is more of a centrist bonapartist autocrat, but still 100% far right by all our modern standards
He thinks some people are simply better than others, and wants a society where these people have the opportunity to climb the social ladder and find a spot worthy of their value, regardless of chastes of money. So it's a social darwinism society
How can the show be saying literally anything about fascism when there is none in it?
Stupid uneducated c**ts.
That's because morons think that military hierarchy is fascism.
Reinhardo wasn't a fascist.
this is bait but sign me the frick up
>Fascism and strongman wanking apologism
I will now watch your kino.
You sound like you need to dilate with a chainsaw.
>Fascist apologism
Haven't seen it (yet), but sounds based to me.
Much better characters and unironically deeper themes
Oberstein alone BTFOs anything george hackas ever wrote
>tv shows you can’t watch because I’ve all subs and you don’t have the attention span not to do something else while it’s playing at times.
Will never understood why almost no countries outside Japan bothered to dub it.
It attacks democracy and the rebellion, aka republic tantrum, against the aristocrat/monarchy. The modern version did its best to bastardize and malign the latter and persuade people to choose the FP Alliance.
It was being dubbed in english, and the building holding the tapes caught on fire. It wasn’t meant to be.
Because the monarchical Germanic empire is unironically better than the democratic rebels. It would be a nightmare for people to watch this and think, "Wait, SHOULD we have a King or an Emperor???"
It unironically has the greatest VA cast in anime history, it shouldn't be touched.
I was never a fan of the DBZ sub until I watched LoGH and now I can't go back due to Vegeta's voice actor
You can always try watching the ongoing remake if you're filtered by the original.
It's faster, flashier and less "boring", it has a much bigger budget and it shows, also there's an official English dub. The core of the story is all there but you'll miss some kino character interactions, plus the designs are gaygier.
Sometimes it's closer to the books than the original, but the old anime took some liberties that made certain characters way more memorable.
So start with the two (old) prequel movies, then go for the original and only try the remake if you can't stand it.
Keep in mind the story starts getting REALLY interesting after a huge setup of 20+ episodes or something.
Frick the remake. Only watch the OVA for the og series
Watched the remake after reading the books (as they got translated) and I honestly don't hate it.
Sure I could write a whole essay of criticism (especially by comparing it to the older adaptation) but overall it's a good way to re-experience the whole thing.
Still, I can't really tell if it's possible to really get into the franchise by watching it instead of the original.
Guess it's better than nothing if you get filtered by the old animation and pacing
how do I know which one I'm watching? Any naming differences? What tells them apart? I thought mine was the original but it is dubbed
Ones from the 80s and clearly looks like an 80s anime and the other is from a few years ago
The original was never dubbed
Sure, old one is good with the 110 episodes. Bad one is modernized in both animation, design, and story. Modernized in the sense that something like a Netflix adaptation.
I never watched another anime, don't know what would look old.
This is what I got, is it old or the new one?
That's the new one.
Damn thanks bros
>activate windows
Good morning sirs
The new one looks like this.
Top is the original version.
Middle is the Blu Ray redraw.
Bottom is the remake.
Ps: the redraw is only partial, lots of scenes will look roughly like top pic (just in higher res)
the worst thing about lots of these japanese cartoons is the 20 minute runtime, 5 minutes of which is the opening credits and the closing credits, with several more minutes just rehashing what happened last episode to catch people up to speed.
there's way too much time wasted in this format, it's such a shitty way to watch a story, just designed to get kids watching as many toy advertisements as possible.
Not this one, no toys as it wasn't for kids, it didn't even air on TV (you bought the VHS if you were already a fan of the books)
Which means runtime changes depending on the episode's needs, and there are no recaps (but yeah it wastes like 2 minutes on the openings)
you guys are so full of shit, the remake is unironically great and it's not even rushed, it takes more time than the original when it comes to pacing and is far more faithful to the books, this is just you speaking through nostalgia goggles, and are you really implying the OVA's designs weren't also homosexual? why do you think this series has so many gay doujins?
DNT is worth watching, stop with the slander.
t.rabid OVA enjoyer
DNT isn’t bad, it’s just unnecessary given that the OVAs are so good.
Remake isn't just homosexual it is visually unappealing.
you get used to the designs just as you get used to the slideshow battles in the original after a couple of episodes.
you dismissing it because it's "visually unappealing" is no different than people who dismiss the OVA because "it looks old".
maybe, but it's still a good anime made in a sea of isekai & shounengarbage so I won't complain about it, it's certainly a better use of Production I.G's talents than whatever homosexual sports anime they were going to make next.
I don't agree.
Take the two versions of "Liberation of the Frontier Zone", (aka Episode 14 of the original and Episode 11 of the remake).
They pretty much cover the same amount of plot, but time is managed very differently.
Here's some examples:
while remake episode is 1 minute longer, it wastes like 2 minutes on scenery (like ships taking off and similar stuff) plus 3 whole minutes of credits. The original cut the ending credits entirely to leave more room for the plot, and doesn't feature such "cinematic" scenery at all.
In the remake, the Star Officer dialogue is almost 5 minutes long, including the overly dramatic Ace Attorney-tier hysteria of the officer. The same dialogue only lasts around 2 minutes in the original, and it comes off as more natural and less anime-y.
Still, how did the original use all the time it gained by staying focused?
It added more plot.
They managed to fit in a whole subplot about the farmers, a couple of scenes focused on the Empire (while the remake entirely skips them), they quickly show Rubinsky's point of view, and they literally added a FRICKING love story (which almost lasts 8 minutes).
None of this is retained in the remake.
And none of it is useless.
Seeing the farmer's revolt and its outcome hits differently, because you familiarized with them and their struggle. The love story actually puts the viewer in the middle of the conflict and makes the whole thing way more tragic and "human". As a result, the politics bits have much greater weight despite being shorter.
The remake only focuses on the politics/management side of the issue (only form the Republic point of view) while entirely skipping the repercussions it has on people.
tl;dr: the original had a much better use of the same runtime. That's what people mean when they say it's "rushed".
Plus it does look homosexual.
I still like it, it's underrated because of morons that never watched it, but it has flaws.
They decided to focus on the Republican side to spite the monarchy/king system. It has the stamp of CIA approval to dub it in English.
Seems like The original is trying to be more neutral, or even pending in favor of Reinhard's system. While the remake it's clearly in favor of the Alliance and focus mostly on it, right?
In this case, i would be curious to discover which version is more faithfull to the original light novels
the end is shit
Explain yourself.
series never pulled punches on character deaths, then suddenly decided to backload them to the point most were contrived and senseless. I don't even have an issue with the Terraist stuff.
Its the ending, obviously a bunch of characters are going to die
kind of agree with this. Felt like "not enough" characters died, only 4 Imperial admirals in the last season, 2 of which were unrelated to the final battle/war. 2 of the FPA I think who all died in the final war
Yeah, the ending felt like an easy way out for the writer, who didn't actually want to envision a galaxy led by a man like Reinhardt.
>main character is clearly Alexander the Great but in space
>dies young
who could have seen this coming
Baldy's brain bomb is some of the dumbest and most pointless shit. All the phezzan and terraist plotlines feel botched.
terra-ists was dumb too
the dune combat and naval fights were awesome
the characters were awesome
based mittermeyer
I remember watching this at the same time Game of Thrones season 4 or 5 was airing, and being genuinely shocked that this show did a better job making me care more about some random farmer on some random planet than literally any GoT character
i think its better that more or less every other sci-fi series out there tbh
the only thing i dislike is the lack of ground combat and the fact they use axes
The axes are kino as hell
This isnt Cinemaphile, so it's offtopic.
Eat shit, you fricking wannabe janitor.
>Eat shit because i'm following the rules
YOU and the other off-topic shitposters are in the wrong. Deal with it
If you want to talk about the anime, Cinemaphile is the place. If this topic is a tiny velied apologia of fascism, then /misc/ should be the place for this thread
Haha seething troony
>he'll use this post on his jannie resume
It's kino, simple as.
They just don't make anime like they used to.
Always funny. I think I would fall between top most of time, bottom left if my buttons are being pushed. Bottom right once a week.
Holy shit
>The English debut of the novel series in 2016 was described as long-awaited and overdue.[29][30][31] Publishers Weekly criticized the David Huddleston's translation of the first novel, Dawn, stating it was "a slog". The novel as-a-whole was criticized for the "shallow" female characters.[32]
I'm not watching something sexist.
All it took was one night to get this homie pussywhipped and stuttering
it's funnier when you realize he shares the same voice actor as Vegeta
>Has sex (1) time
>Immediatly impregnates her
>Next morning he proposes to her
So proud fo my KAISER
>So proud of MEIN KAISER
ftfy
Wasn't he a virgin? Man's first time was raw dog and it was the only woman whose intellect he respected. He came buckets and wanted to put a ring on it.
What is this look supposed to mean?
pity
>tongue pet my beaver
Affection, you wouldnt get it.
Could Reinhard and/or Yang beat Thrawn?
You baiting frickers don’t start an SW vs LOGH thread and leave me hanging on space tactics shitposting.
KINOOOOOOO
I watched My Conquest is the Sea of Stars and I wasn't blown away. Does it get better?
Well yeah, that was just a small prequel.
Watch Overture to a New War next
why the frick can't asiatics make their shit in a comprehensible order?
It took me 40 minutes to find out I should Conquest is the Sea of Stars and it turns out to be some bullshit pointless prequel, and I should have watched these other things are difficult to figure out what they even are?
What the frick is an OAV series? An OVA? Is an OVA movie but there's an OVA series with 10 episodes?
At this point I don't give a frick and I'm turning my back on anime.
"OAV" back then was used for any kind of japanese animation that wasnt hired on any broadcast television and instea produced directly for the home video industry, regardless of the lenght
LOTGH was made directly for the home video scene, and released as "seasons" of around 25 episodes each to be sent directly at the homes of those who subscripted to the series every few years
Just look for the proper series of 110 episodes aired between 1988 and 1998. The rest are optional short movies about events that happened before the start of the proper series but are mentioned a lot (like in the very first episodes, in which Reinhard mentioned to have already fought Yang. Their first battle is the plot of the first optional movie)
okay fine I'll do that. thanks.
Don't skip the first few EPS for Overture to A New War. It does spoil shit, and you won't know who the frick anyone is. It expects you to know who everyone is.
>first few EPS
it's literally two episodes and every scene is also in the movie
>bro you just have to watch the anime
>here's a quick guide though (full page essay)
>and don't skip this thing
>but you need skip this thing
>the thing you watched is a spoiler, even thought it was the first one released
>btw if you don't watch the super sentai parody show you're not going to understand 99.99% of the anime
>you have to watch it in alphabetical order
>by episode name not OVA name
>NO not latin alphabet, the Koine greek alphabet
>make sure to get the Gainax dub not the original
I was right to turn my back on anime for this shit, I'm not watching this show after reading all this bullshit.
Dude, frick those homies. Everyone I knew who loved LOTGH JUST watched the OVA. That's all you need. It's just LOTGH EP 1 till the end. Nothing special. Also, ignoring potentially great stuff because of messy side material is kind of lame tbh.
The reason why My Conquest is The Seat of Stars movie is recommended is because it's the pilot episode, and is referred to in the show.
Ignore that homosexual telling you to swap episodes out and stuff. Just watch the series itself.
I watched Gaiden before the OVAs and it was great, I already knew and cared deeply for the main characters when I started the regular series
yup kinda wished I watched Gaiden before the OVA as well
You literally do not have to watch the OVA.
Just watch the anime series itself it's a self contained story.
Dude.. the show is an OVA lmao. When people talk about LOTGH, it IS the OVA they're talking about
The OVA is referring to the movies surely.
That's your personal experience, and that's entirely on you. That's not something I'd recommend to anyone as you're putting your subjective experience over the release order, where stuff is revealed in a certain order intentionally. Gaiden is also extremely spotty. It's stupid how certain characters met, and fought somehow before the series happened.
>It's stupid how certain characters met, and fought somehow before the series happened
That's the thing, it doesn't feel nearly as forced if you watched it first. It's just shit that happens naturally from your point of view, you only realize the relevance of some characters/interactions later, and you perceive them as foreshadowing rather than fanservice.
It's also better because you genuinely don't know who's gonna die, you totally won't realize some characters have plot armor (as they need to survive for their later appearances). Some characters will fade into irrelevancy, others will die, some others will join the cast as protagonists. You just can't tell.
Watching the original OVAs first naturally kills all of that and makes the prequels corny and unnecessary in comparison, but I can get the "watch in release order" argument.
Gaiden is just fluff for hardcore fans it's not necessary.
If you want to miss out on one of the best series of all time, then that's your loss.
Imagine getting filtered by basic fricking instructions
>filtered by a list
It's like giving up on Star Trek because having more than a single product is too confusing
I gave up star trek after watching TNG because none of the rest of it is worth watching.
Better than dropping it from the start because the "contents" square on the wikipedia page of the franchise is too long
it's not the length, it's how convoluted it is.
Dude... It's a case of watching from EP 1 to the end, and an optional pilot episode. That's all there is. The morons recommending you jump to the Gaiden and other shit are homosexuals you should ignore.
fine I'll do that.
Quick guide:
>Conquest is the Sea of Stars
Prequel to the series. Basically an extra
>Overture to a New War
Movie remake of the first two episodes (much better btw), watch it and skip to episode 3
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes
The actual series.
Episodes are called "OAVs" because they weren't made for TV, the book series was popular enough that they didn't need a network and chose to sell episodes in VHS to found the next stuff instead.
Watch the Blue Ray edition, as they remade lots of the animation (it's kinda jarring as you can easily spot the new stuff, but it makes more sense overall).
Either watch that, OR
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Die Neue These
A modern remake of the old series. It's honestly better than expected, more of a new adaptation of the books than an actual remake.
Designs are pretty homosexual and you'll miss some minor scenes, but it flows well and it'll grab your attention faster than the old one.
Watch that if you can't bear the old pacing.
If you want more when you're done, watch
>Legend of the Galactic Heroes Gaiden
A whole prequel series focused on the youth of the protagonists. Arcs are hit or miss but there's some gold in there.
>Golden Wings
Skip it. It's probably the gayest thing ever animated. Just a useless prequel with shit you already saw in the series, except it's unapologetically gay.
much appreciated
Release order you fricking moron.
There's way worse than that. The Monogatari series is a fricking mess in terms of order, same for Evangelion
Don't get me started about Toaru Index
>same for Evangelion
?
>Evangelion anime
>End of Evangelion
>Rebuilds
not that hard tbqhfam
>Watch Overture to a New War next
Don't fricking do this. Jesus christ. Watch things in release order for gods sake.
What's next? Are you gonna tell us to start cowboy bebop with episode 14 because it's a prequel episode that explains the girls backstory?
You absolute morons.
What?
Overture is literally made as a replacement of the first two episodes.
It doesn't cut anything and doesn't spoil anything, it only expands what's already there and the end product is better.
It even ties to My Conquest Is the Sea of Stars if you started with that, giving an actual purpose to the setup (other than a throwaway line).
That movie is just a prequel that need to explain a couple of quotes from the proper OAV about the two protagonists previous and first battle.
I would suggest to watch the first 10 or so episodes of the proper OAV series and see if you enjoy them. The first episodes are kind slow and focused in worldbuilding, but then a couple of sudden events makes everything spiraling into the hot stuff
To be fair the first "season" is kinda slow and underwhelming.
It's like the whole point was to show how dysfunctional both sides are at the beginning (the Empire is built on aristocratic nepotism and as such it's full of morons filling important spots in the army, while the Republic is a bureaucratic nightmare led by career politicians and inept generals).
Sure that allows the protagonists to shine, but their brilliance is held back by the fact they're surrounded by mouth breathers.
The real fun starts when they face each other.
Yea, the first part can really be an hit or miss. People arent used of such slow burning anime.
The first part is really the main reason this series remained one of the best pleb filter in the entire weeb universe
No good without the cowbell
Lightyear is better.
I will now proceed to list all the things Oberstein did wrong,
Thank you for reading,.
LOGH THREAD?
A toast to Aqua and Kircheis
I cried.
after watching LotGH, i hear Norio's voice in everything and instantly know it's him.
1. Brecause it is longer
2. Made by only one author
Why is it better than the entire Star Wars franchise?
The first game is basically KOTOR 1 with some minor changes.
Though Mass Effect, Star Wars and Legend of the Galactic Heroes just touch different areas of space shit.
>Star Wars
Standard good vs evil, an adventure where the good guys overcome challenges and defeat the bad guys. Literal heroes journey.
>LotGH
Autistic and political. More realistic. No well defined good vs evil but individuals with individual goals and ambitions.
>Mass Effect
Somewhat similair to Star Wars but with more realistically written characters. Somewhere in the middle.
SIEG MEIN KAISER
SIEG KAISER REINHARTO
very nice webm, saved
2nd best boy of the empire (right behind IRON SHIELD MÜLLER)
mfw nothing as good as LOGH will ever be made again
Better characters and stories with political and moral consequences. No childish garbage like good and evil, just areas of gray. Not over exposed and the fans aren't cancerous trash.
Based DYRL enjoyer.
Why is the 80s anime style so superior?
I am writing this as my dinner cooks in the oven
I will debate any of you idiots AFTER I eat and it's an endeavor to take my head out of my ass to eat and shove it back in again so hear me out
this show kicks ass and I assume the books are better. I have never felt more attached to a set of characters than I have with this show. everyone who wanks the fact that lotgh is "pro-fascist" is so ludicrously short sighted that it makes me laugh. the show is as pro-fascism as it is pro-democracy - the real overall message is about being uncompromising. Trunict was so indebted to the terraists that even though he did everything right (against invasion, returning to the alliance), he had no power without them (forced to accept babby emperor). Yang constantly had no friends but with his purity of will, he used what he did have to its maximum, which amounted to a piece of fricking paper. a piece of paper which we can only assume is going to blossom into a gorgeous, some kind of free future for mankind because of how the narrator (who is narrating from the future) is respectful to all parties.
if you missed the importance of how Reinhardt was only able to achieve military victories due the fervor of his dick suckers (he overthrew the nobles, gaining the endless loyalty of enough to overcome the fervor of the alliance defending their homes) then you're just in it for the space battles, which kick ass by the way holy shit every single one is amazing I was just to pilot a spartanian and destroy an entire imperial cruiser my wiener is so hard thinking about the best character of the show, Jessica Edwards. she knew when shit was awry and stood her ground in the face of tyranny. the first so many excellent characters
my food is done probably
>I assume the books are better.
The books read pretty much like a script of the show.
First one has a bit of extra backstory that gets covered later in the anime but you won't miss out that much by watching it instead of reading it.
In fact it's harder to keep track of 1000 german names if you totally lack a visual feedback
very based, my friend
Because it's about actual star wars. Meanwhile star wars is about some legendary galactic hero
>Why is it better than the entire Star Wars franchise
its not israelited
>prequeeeeel
>a work (such as a novel or a play) whose story precedes that of an earlier work
My Conquest is the Sea of Stars premiered 10 months before episode 1 of the 110 episode OVA. It's not a prequel. It's the pilot movie like Babylon 5: The Gathering is to Babylon 5.
Actually I don't remember reading about the battle depicted in My Conquest is the Sea of Stars in the first book.
Pretty sure it was written later as an extra (the new anime is more faithful in terms of chronology and I think it also skipped it). Wouldn't consider it as "the start of the story", it's more like the prequel anime imho. Just extra background, despite being the first thing adapted on screen
>it's more like the prequel anime imho.
My Conquest is the pilot movie and the 110 episode OVA is its sequel and that is factual. Bringing up the novels it was adapted from or if a remake anime skipped things, doesn't factor into it.
>people keep trying to frame me as a traitor
>i better become a traitor
was it autism?
worse. Pride
Sort of. He was a man of ambition similar to Reinhard and while he always respected his superiority he resented being cucked out of even having the choice to turn traitor when they took down the alliance homeworld. So when the earthlets and that one c**t who took advantage kept painting him with the traitor brush instead of grovelling for forgiveness a second time he decided to take the brush himself while knowing the inevitable outcome
The whole circumstances of his rebellion were frustrating but you have to admit he went out with style. Finally killing that snake Trunicht and not breaking character for this ho.
i did not care for this character
I mean he has a few moments where he's just -right- after standing around for the whole occasion, upending the characters actually doing the fighting, but then he does some fighting himself, always performing modestly and I happen to like him quite a lot because he places honor and shit on such a high pedestal - something a lot of characters in this show have
he has a cute girlfriend too
but he is you, the viewer
now that the dust has settled, we can all agree that the duel between the two death stars was the best arc right
Use the proper board you homosexual.
>but Cinemaphile is bad
Use Cinemaphile or /m/ or whatever the frick you want, you have plenty of weeb boards.
accurate portrayal of the modern west
Blessed thread
It isn’t. The series is just an exposition on the pros and cons of democracies and monarchies but without any real incite or opinion from the author. Star Wars actually explores the pros and cons of these systems as well, but in a more original manner. Notice that in star wars the problem that brought in palpatine was bureaucracy. This problem doesn’t magically go away by introducing a dictator. Star Wars balances a lot more simultaneously than legends. In Legends, we aren’t meant to care for anything than the analysis of the different government systems. yang has no personality other than embodying democracy; the same applies to Reinhardt. Star Wars is a true cinematic masterpiece. Legends is pompous filler. One is better of simply reading Montesquieus spirit of the law since that’s really the depth of political discussion that legends steeps to, and at least Montesquieu articulates his points clearly. Iow legends is a mere summary of political views with nothing original to say. Star Wars is an artistic and technological achievement, blending politics and Greek tragedy into a single medium.
>Star Wars is an artistic and technological achievement, blending politics and Greek tragedy into a single medium.
Lmao. Star wars is low brow shit, go read a book you absolute moron.
Legends is copy/paste of shit philosophers already said. Nothing original about it. Liking a drawn out boring and unoriginal series doesn’t make you clever my guy. Legends once again shows the INFERIORITY of the Japanese arts compared to the west. It is an imitation of what better books have already discussed
Idc about weebshit but if your last sentence was serious you are an infantile child and you should read more books. Only a moronic teenager would think SW is anything other than low brow entertainment.
>low brow
You like repeating yourself. Legends is ‘lower brow’ than star wars. It’s for midwits to feel smart. In fact, it’s the perfect example of a midwit show like startrek.
>unironically uses the term midwit
>probably one itself
>Legends is copy/paste of shit philosophers already said.
Not really.
I studied political philosophy and there's very little of that in LOTGH in terms of theory. You won't find Plato, Machiavelli, Hobbes, Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, Tocqueville, let alone Weber/Marx or post-1850s authors in general. Maybe some minor one liners can be interpreted as references, but it really doesn't explore their ideas and beliefs.
Overall it doesn't feel like it's written by a philosopher (or an expert of the field), the author is clearly a historian and it shows. Instead of dwelling into theory it gives you a scenario where several opposed political systems of the past (and present) are put in practice; they're indefinitely left to do their thing until they reach a breaking point, which is what you see in the series.
You can argue there's a bit of sociology in there but very little classical political philosophy (western at least, I don't really know about their asian counterparts)
All thing considered, it's pretty unique. It doesn't fantasize about utopian/dystopian political models (like most "political fiction" does), it stays rooted to reality (or at least realism) without trying to preach or teach you a specific moral lesson.
The fact the author is impartial doesn't mean the characters are as well, the cast is motivated by various (often conflicting) sets of beliefs and you can find yourself agreeing with some and disagreeing with others. I don't think I ever saw another scifi doing it better than LOTGH.
>Legends, legends, legends , legends
It isn't plural you stupid b***h. Makes sense you'd promote something like fricking Star Wars if you can't get a detail like that right.
>nitpicking moron
Fans of this weeb show are always full of shit, and I actually enjoyed some of it
Star Wars is a child's attempt at trying to ape Kurosawa, particularly the Hidden Fortress. The franchise is currently a laughing stock and Lucas was always a hack. Stay mad.
>Notice that in star wars the problem that brought in palpatine was bureaucracy.
>This problem doesn’t magically go away by introducing a dictator.
Doesn't that happen in Star Wars tho?
The Republic was a bureaucratic mess and arguably worked less efficiently than the Empire. You can say its complex bureaucracy was exploited by Palpatine to plant the seed of civil war that eventually collapsed the whole system.
While Palpatine kept the senate after Order 66, he gradually reduced its influence and made himself the only absolute power in the galaxy.
Of course that created a central point of failure (killing Palpatine ended the Empire) but it unified the galaxy in a way that the republic was never able to accomplish.
You can say the problem of bureaucracy brought in a dictator, but also went away after the introduction of such dictator.
In Legend of the Galactic Heroes nothing like that ever happens.
Degeneracy and social unrest brought in a dictator, but the Empire was never really plagued by excessive bureaucracy. It was instead held down by a class of unmeritocratic aristocrats that built an authoritarian hierarchy.
The problem was momentarily solved with a coup d'etat that replaced the old de-facto oligarchy with a system of enlightened despotism (which also didn't last).
The republic, on the other hand, was an excessively bureaucratic democracy (specifically because they wanted to avoid any form of authoritarianism), but its shortcomings and the selfishness of career politicians led to its collapse.
What is this?
it's the 2nd short movie from Neo Tokyo
I honestly don't get why people don't want to see more shows like these. It's rather political but it's not being dumb about it. Do people just want to see dumb shit and not actually watch something that might broaden their minds a little bit?
Is it only in ching Chong or is human speech available to listen to?
Dragon's Heaven is absolute kino.
Because it was written by a male adult, and not a fat black israeli lesbian nig with blue hair.
I prefer ChaDUNE but LotGH is great too. SW has completely lost me. I even got rid of tons of merch and held onto a few special pieces. At the end I realised I didn’t particularly care for it, I just liked a couple of characters and some aspects. Honestly, I was just a big KotORgay. I can’t say I care much about the mainstream settings and characters, with a few exceptions. The Old Republic was just that much better in every aspect, from aesthetics to stories.
>Why is it better than the entire Star Wars franchise
most things are. lotgh is kino though.
Lum
Because Star Wars seas never good.
was*
Would Reinhard join the Empire or Rebellion?
depends, if creamy sheev decided to frick his sister he would join the empire and rise through the ranks until he is right below vader and try a coup d'etat
Sheev wouldn’t try to frick his sister, so I guess he languishes in obscurity.
Yang’s allegiance is to democracy, to the republic?
This is my favorite DRUK show. I woke up in the hospital because I was marathoning it and drinking continuously.
This seems a little too political so I might wanna pass
It's in fact the least political scifi OVA. israelitetroons are just mad that monarchs were shown in a positive light.
How is tranime Cinemaphile?
are you saying Netflix/Hollywood/Disney aren't the mass producers of trans prop
LoGH, and in fact 90% of anime, is less troony than any of the films or TV shows made today. Imagine whinging about anime on a board that's filled with cape shit and didney shilling all day.
Anything is better than Star Wars. Fricking Viva Piñata is better than Star Wars
Can we all agree that female Obi-Wan would look like Frederica?
>see cute girl
>immediately think about bearded men
Anon...
Nah /swg/ is/was posting Obi-chan fanart that I don’t think is very good, and when I started thinking about female Obi-Wan I realized I was basically thinking of Frederica.
Cast him
William Dafoe
Both would be kino choices
Trump Jr.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Baker
i say unironically that this is the greatest show in existance
It started to drag 1/3 of the way and the ending was comically bad.
bros... i had a mega link with the whole series, both versions of the OAVs, but i lost it
anyone have it?
https://mega.nz/folder/iP4nWSwT#osY-9yRrcfI0WAIYlAJT-A/folder/XPIx2JBK
even here the thumbnails have spoilers so watch out
The revolution will be manifested.
R-ROSENRI *AAACK*
I wish the battles were better or more clever at least. Just yang master commander he thinks of a circle shit doesn't really cut it when it's supposed to be integral to the plot. I think something similar with we iserlohn now too, just ass pull for the plot to work. That's really my only gripe, but it gets annoying since the stakes of the series ends up on these battles and they are a bit nonsensical.
I liked the battles in the remake
Battles in the remake are nothing but pew pew shooty action. Plus the ship designs are laughably inferior, in the original the FPA was utilitarian, focused on packing as much punch as possible, while the empire was extravagant and more armoured. Ships fought like Napoleon in space because it essentially was, they had lightspeed beam cannons that were easy to miss because they were so far away from each other, but a single shot would kill or cripple a ship. New one is just shitty overdesigned cgi that shoots laser bolts at each other.
I'm 12 episodes in, when it supposed to be good?
The first 20 or so episodes are world building
The first part is a strong filter because it's very slow worldbuilding. Things become more fun one a certain character suddenly dies causing mayhem in both powers
It doesn't have supernatural elements with two autismo-orders. Also, better motivations for the cast to do what they eventually did. Even the Lippstadt-nobles had reasons to be comically evil.
>he didnt even post the best anime set in space
Based moron
Yeah Gundam is a much closer fit to Star Wars because the newtype magic stuff, it's got more focused plots, and the importance of pilots.
LoGH is RotK ins space.
it's pretty much confirmed that Char was a pedo, right?
CCA spells it out that he at least manipulates young naïve girls to get what he wants. Maybe not fricking, but he sure does know they are in love with him.
>Regarding the character of Char's love interest Nanai, Tomino said, "To a certain degree as you get older, you can really understand a person through that part (sex)... and at those times, you can't detach sex from your thinking. That's why I absolutely have to imagine what Nanai's vegana is like. It's something I particularly think about during the scriptwriting phase."
>He went on to say that when drawing the storyboards, he thought, "I don't want her vegana to be all withered out," because he thought "it would reflect poorly on Char, and Nanai isn't a dull woman herself." He wanted to convey the feeling of their relationship in the scene where Nanai sits on Char's lap. "It was a challenge to myself to figure out what this woman would be like when she's sitting there, being made love to. It was no trifling matter."
>He also said that he conceived Nanai as the kind of self-confident woman who would be a good match for Char. "There are times when a man wants to embrace a woman, and I thought, 'If he's going to do it, it might as well be with a woman like Nanai.'"
LOGH is seinen (for adults)
Star Wars is intended for small children and people who were small children when the original triology came out
isn't that a girl's anime?
No, but Reinhard does look like the The Rose of Versailles guy
no. its the thinking mans chinese space cartoon
The more I rewatch the more I admire Bittenfeld.
wow such a wise observation
He's the textbook definition of a BASED moron
I think that's why Reinhard kept him around. Every time needs a based moron. His constant antagonism with Oberstein also served as a kind of safety check on him.
Holy fricking BASED
Kek, every single time Bittenfeld appears on the screen you know something BASED and kino is about to go down.
Bittenfield had several successful offensives.
Its Leninkempf that comes out of nowhere.
Who was he? What did he do?
>The original is trying to be more neutral, or even pending in favor of Reinhard's system
One of the main themes of the original is the democratic value struggle against enlightened dictators
Bittenfeld's great. His only tactic is "charge directly at the enemy" but sometimes that's exactly what you need. Sometimes it causes problems, but sometimes it routes the enemy and inspires your own men.
If you are REALLY great at relentess devastating assaults, sometimes not even the finest tactician can come up to a solution to stop you
And in a battle between two master tacticians of equal power, having the better blind charge assault commander may be the key element to settle the winner
Yang himself recognize that, while Bittenfiled is one of Reinhard's commander more easily baited into traps, his offensive skills are so dangerous and his personality so unpredictable he know he have to be cautious when facing him, because it can be a double edged sword
Yep, it's why Reinhard never really punished Bittenfeld if he screwed up, he just thought of better ways to use him. His idea of keeping him in reserve, and then letting him pick the moment to charge in after the battle started, was genius. The absolute best way to use him.
For me it's Schenkopp.
>peerless in hand to hand combat
>feared by everyone
>actually very smart too but mostly keeps his opinions to himself, only shares them in private with Yang
>bangs a different woman every night
>every time he goes planet-side he comes back covered in panties and lipstick
Mauritanian taste spotted.
Behold! The only anime ever that can claim to be kino.
https://nyaa.si/view/1221619
looking on nyaa now, is there no english dub? i usually like to get dual audio, just in case
The original series has no dub. The new series does, I think, but it's also not anywhere near done. At the rate they're adapting the books, you'll be waiting most of a decade for it to finish. No I'm not joking. Even the original series took over a decade to finish.
Are books different compared to anime in terms of story?
Any major differences?
The OVA just adds a little bit of background stuff and some little changes. Overall it's pretty close.
I see. I was just wodering if it is different as I have read the author stated that he later thought that the death of two major characters ( Yang and Kirchies) of the series should have happened during that battle where Yang fights his way through waves of lines to Reinhardt.
Kirchies death was a shock moment, but i do agree it should had happened right before Reinhard's official incoronation. Would had been perfect as the turning point between the two halfs of the series
Yang death instead was perfect. After lecturing Julian countless times about how "terrorism acts never changed history", ironically his death by a terrorist murder DID changed history. This also proved Yang was in some ways indeed undefeatable and unkillable in battles, so it had to die in different means
btw absolute brown people kino reaction by this guy here. 1:40:23 if the timecode is fricked.
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based
For you.
manly tears
The deaths never get me by the scenes after do like this one and Frederica a bit later
Based emotional pajeet.
No no, not that different. The only bigger change I remember, is in the books Reinhard did knew they gonna nuke the civilians, iirc.
The biggest change is some characters getting merged into others or not mentioned for convenience, since there's almost too many characters to keep track of as is. Dusty for instance is portrayed as being Yang's best buddy the whole way through, but in the books he's split between a few different characters if I'm remembering right.
Who had the best redemption arc?
Muller?
How could any one man be so based???
Braincancer does that sometimes.
The best part about this is that it wasn't part of some elaborate keikaku, he wasn't anybody's martyr or sacrificial lamb, he did this of his own will purely to be an butthole.
Where are the mechlingerchads
Drawing, probably. Or playing piano.
no one mentioned what this is ITT even once. you Cinemaphile morons just assume everyone knows what youre talking about
hello zoomer
Legend of the galactic heroes
so what's the concensus on the remake is it good?
The only objectively bad thing about this show is that all the good characters are in the Empire. I literally don’t even remember anyone except Jang, Julian Su, the flirt guy, American Jang and the Imperial deserter
other mittermeyer chads itt?
He got the best girl
He got the best son.
Jump thread lads its going out soon
I haven't seen it yet but I'm assuming since it's 100+ episodes it's like 50% of repeated animation?
No not at all, there are many just talk episodes and most fights just have a few stand out animations, but no repetition.
Oh sweet, maybe it's time to check out the show since I've had it sitting on my harddrive for almost 10 years