Why is it so bad?
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It's not THAT bad. It's the entire Disney trilogy that's bad. If anything TLJ is the best one.
This one catches the brunt of the hate, because "muh Luke", but all of the problems were already set in play in the previous movie.
I struggle to determine which is the worse movie - Rise of Skywalker or TLJ. They're both phenomenally bad. Abrams is a hack and Johnson is a moron.
Rise of Skywalker is written by a computer and scenes don't follow each other, the movie exists to be nothing by hollow fanservice. For better or worse, TLJ is Rian Johnson's auteur piece Star Wars movie
>hating on Abrams for RoS
when I saw the movie I shed a tear of joy. It was a gift to Star Wars fans. Imagine he made a good movie to follow up on TLJ. That wouldve been a mess. Obviously the meat of the whole ST was rotten but how do you deal with that if the last one is actually good? Makes everything more difficult. Instead Abrams made the last one absolutely dogshit (not only that but also mocking Ryan Johnson as blatently as possible). Thus making it easy for anyone to put the Sequeltrilogy out of their minds forever. Also it makes a canon reset possible for the future
a movie thats bad on purpose, whatever that reason may be, is still a bad movie.
yup I agree with this except I felt this way for the 1st sequel trilogy movie I can't even remember it's title. I remember trying to explain to the people I saw it with why it was terrible hackey trash and they just thought I was being overly negative. They went and saw the second then skipped the third movie and never mention the sequel trilogy. They got what they fricking deserved.
No soul. No creativity. No story. No point. Rian Johnson is less of an artist like Lucas is and more of an ideologue, a propagandist if you will. He just wanted to shit on people who like Star Wars and he did just that.
Hey anon, how does the pic attached to your post relate to your criticism or contribute to the thread?
Works are influenced by their creators
>seething about images on an imageboard
I mean he succeeded. It's not necessarily a negative. His execution is just not what he thought
Rian wasn't even talking about Star Wars when he said that, but to a degree, he's right. Some of the greatest films of all time are hated by normies.
The prequels, which you guys love so much, were widely criticized on release. Kubrick got torn apart by critics and normies with 2001 and the Shining, both films are all time classics.
Normal people are stupid
Except when you're dealing witha franchise some people will love it because it exists, while the people who hate it are dismissed or welcomed because muh media buzz.
That first group are treasure for slobs pumping out franchised chunks of product.
>TLJ is franchised chunks of products
>yet somehow the nitwit fanboys are still SEETHING about Luke being sad five years later
Mate, i grew out of star wars before the prequels, my kids despise star wars now and i had to explain to them that men didn't do their job, which was to grow out of this shit.
Men in their thirties talking about sci-fi movies was a joke in Clerks, it showed smart minds utterly distracted and occupied with kid's toys and trash. Now that's about normal.
You have to be dull in your 30s, only talk about Schlomo's short term profit and how to benefit Israel via voting optimally.
Enjoy your manufactured Maturity-TM.
I wonder why it's mostly conservatives who think like this
They take inspiration from legitimate Christians or Christian past that their families had in the Old World.
There's an argument in Christian worldview that you focus on reality and as a result understand that God is behind it, something not very compatible with obsessing over these media products to the point of idolatry and distorting your life/perception of reality.
Goddamn Rian got mogged here
Chad artist vs virgin marketing hack
He looks like that homie who simped his oneitis for decades
He's a zero talent fraud. To hide his lack of talent, he made controversial writing decisions to cause drama and move the attention away from the elephant in the room. Rian Johson is talentless, the fil was ugly and uses tricks only fil students would use like reversed shot, time lapse footage, slow motion. He also added a ton of shitty force powers like the skype sessions or Yoda being able to interact with reality.
>He's a zero talent fraud.
except knives out is really good, cope, he deliberately shat on your movies for manbabies
It's an embarrassingly bad movie but ok. This loser thinks he can emulate David Lynch
the frick, it wasn't even close to anything resembling lynch, it's just a well made classic detective story
>it wasn't even close to anything resembling lynch,
You're right. He still tried. Remember the donut scene? That was a pathetic attempt at emulating Lynch
>It's an embarrassingly bad movie but ok. This loser thinks he can emulate David Lynch
Cope. Enjoy your endless Disney plus shows with Reva the homie becoming the face of the franchise, while Rian becomes a billionaire.
Your Snoke sucked Rian
Rian realized that Snoke was a nothingburger character and the best thing to do with him would be to kill him off the facilitate the growth of the actually interesting villain in Kylo Ren
Did Rian realize his movie sucked balls?
I honestly don't think he had much to do with the script. I'm not saying this to defend him, since his obnoxious social media homosexualry went beyond what would have been expected in the contract, but because the script is so full of easily patched holes that it couldn't have seen many revisions.
Shit like the shuttle not being tracked or being able to contact Maz without fear of interception is something that any revision beyond a copy-edit should have picked up.
He has talent, but like Anakin and Kylo, he used his talent for evil.
>No story. No point.
its in the middle of the story, the point is made at the story's climax which is the third one. If you took any movie and cut out the last half then none of them would have a point. ESB doesn't have a point but thats because the story isn't over yet
Other posts already nailed the exact reasons why it's a soulless piece of dogshit so I won't go on a spiel here
Wtf are you smoking? ESB has a very clear point, several of them in fact. It doesn't need to be the end of a trilogy for a movie to have self-contained themes and purposes that matter. ESB is a satisfying as frick movie to watch, and you can watch it on its own and walk away happy, unlike TLJ.
far better than the prequels.
cope and seethe, incel
revenge of the sith was pretty good.
dumb dialogue lets down the prequels for me,
there is a ton of reasons the sequels are a let down and troonys like you defending them is one of them
It's an example of Hollywood's culture of low effort.
Luke's a mopey pussy even though Han and Leia were their same respective characters in Force Awakens
The space OJ Simpson chase
No real action aside from maybe the first battle, but even that gets ruined with the crank phone call gag.
None of the new characters do anything memorable.
Laura Dern sucks in general.
It wasn't dumb fun. It was pseudoshit.
It was the tipping point where the nu-trilogy became irredeemable. It showcased the glaring flaws in Disney's approach of not having done a complete outline of their new trilogy before shooting. It did a horrible job of picking up where TFA left off, it assassinated Luke's character, and didn't even set anything up for Episode IX (which is, again, because they didn't even know what Episode IX was going to be when they shot this, which was a mistake). You can b***h about TFA being an unoriginal soft reboot, and that's fair enough, but this was the true point that the nu-trilogy became garbage.
It’s soulless.
Take the subversion it’s so proud of. A good movie, such as empire strikes back, subverts expectations with Yoda by deliberately playing off planting a false idea via a flawed mouthpiece. When the ruse is revealed, you realise that despite you being surprised, it actually works far better than what you expected because it plays into what the series already told you implicitly rather than explicitly.
Contrast with TLJ and there is no build up or payoff, you simply have the rug pulled out from under you.
The sole exception, and something I will give the movie credit for, is the code breaker. Logically hiring someone you don’t know and found drunk in a cell is an awful idea, but the characters want him to be more and the audience is compelled to as well. When he backstabs them, it makes perfect sense that he’d rather have a payday than an insanely risky mission.
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Even taking away the fact that this is a Star Wars movie, the second act of a trilogy, and the 8th film of a franchise.
The story in this film fails on every fundamental point.
The codebreaker made no fricking sense. Why was he in prison, was he aware Finn was coming to the casino? And why didn't Maz give them a proper description? It was just dumb
he wasn't THE codebreaker Maz sent them to find, idiot. They got arrested, they were desperate and went with the best guy they could find given the circumstances.
He's not the original one, he's a backup they find.
it's certainly contrived, and the scenario itself makes barely any sense (I'm still not sure if it would have been more or less contrived to have him reveal he was the original and lost the rose, to cut the contrivance of there being two master code breakers in the same place), but the subversion itself is well put together. .
That and the camerawork is all I'll give Jonson, and even the latter has its moments (Like managing to make Rose's nose wider than her mouth)
The cineatograhy is especially ugly. Rian Johnson wanted to make a Bond fil but they gave him Star WArs? So he put a casino in space and have aliens in tuxedos and make the picture desaturated almost black&white. This loser is moronic.
What's worse is that the sideplot was ripped off from the Thrawn Trilogy, but rather than an underwater casino hosted by a repurposed submersible cruise ship, it's just a bog standard casino. No attempt at using the sci fi angle at all.
That's not getting into the moronic morality pushing.
TLJ is entirely devoid of intelligence, wit, logic, pathos, wisdom, subtlety, nuance, poetry or entertainment value.
It is celluloid dog shit.
I cannot even remember which sequel film is which and i don;t care
Sorry George
Lucas was a smart guy with a wide area of interests and possibly elite bloodline that kept control over his admittedly SOI story with an iron grip... this in turn is just pure soi through corporate dilution process of writing, has no bigger picture, no aim, no lessons, it's soulless.
>possibly elite bloodline
Lol. His bloodline dies with him, eunuch frick
This is why AOTC and American Graffiti are his best films. They're honesty at its core. Infantile audiences are just used to muh big pew pew in space
>possibly elite bloodline
From wikipedia:
>Lucas's father owned a stationery store
>(Lucas) attended Modesto Junior College
Elites go to harvard, stanford, yale and stuff not community college in suburban california
I come from elite bloodline as well but the money was gone due to Communism.
ntg but i'm from good stock and the great depression set my family back into peasantry for two generations. Military service and education has got us back up to the top of the middle class.
The canto bight subplot
doesn't get brought up enough but the actual biggest problem with the movie is Finn repeating his same character arc from TFA, except this time he has to learn a more confused version of the lesson from Rose, a character who didn't need to exist and by Rian's own admission was written to "not feel like she belongs in star wars"
Finn flat-out says he's not with the Resistance in TFA, he's just there to save Rey. In TFA he learns to fight for his friends, in TLJ he learns how to fight for a cause
I rewatched these sequels with my mom a few weeks ago, in hindsight this was probably the best of the 3. At least this one feels like an actual movie, unlike the other 2.
Its funny how Rian Johnson gets away with being a transphobe who refuses to use pronouns and liking TERF tweets, when JK Rowling got cancelled for doing the same thing.
White male privilege must feel great.
Rain has a misunderstanding of Star Wars or outright despises it. Aside from not realizing it is a franchise movie with decades of history and not respecting the series, it also continually undercuts itself with bad and poorly placed jokes.
It’s also championed as a Star Wars movie that tried new things but in actuality just retread old ground. Throne room and both battle. As pointed out by anonymous above, it even retread ground of its predecessor with Finn’s storyline.
And this is just the surface.
Two reasons: the less important one being a poorly thought-out and often boring B plot.
More importantly, because TFA was such a steaming pile of shit that did nothing with its characters or overarching plot that the onus fell on TLJ to basically be both the first and second films of a trilogy. You can pick out the drooling morons on this board, of which there are many, when they try to tell you TFA was in any way better than TLJ. TFA makes TPM look like fricking Citizen Kane.
>mfw I kill star wars forever and then pocket over $100M for my own franchise
Thanks for the tax cuts Trumptards!
extremely based, but also it's disney who killed star wars lmao
The biggest problem is the new characters were treated like garbage. They even unceremoniously killed off the new villains. It really was the end of Star Wars or "the Skywalker saga" because TLJ tied all loose ends in the most boring way possible
The sequels were written were like that writing exercise in English class where you pass around a paper and everyone writes a paragraph of a story.
TFA tried too hard to distance itself from the prequels in ways that felt shallow and insincere. TLJ tried too hard to distance itself from TFA in ways that felt shallow and insincere.
It tries to be small scale like ESB (because God forbid we leave OT) and focus on characters instead of the galaxy, but the characters are unlikable, so we don't give a shit
>Rey using jedi mind tricks without training first movie
>Snoke killed anticlimax
>Luke dies for no reason
>*sigh* somehow, Palpatine returned
>Holdo manouvre
>Sheev not screeching "UNLIMITED POWER" when zapping spaceships
>2 lightsabers I am all the jedi
>I am skywalker
The first one was the least bad one, but it was still bad.
It's pretentious and cheap. Unlike TFA and ROS which were simply the laziest sort of corporate greed, TLJ is a true leftist product. It has no respect for itself. It is vocal about wishing to kill the success and legacy of its forebears, despite the irony of latching onto this success like a parasite and expecting to command respect just for being a product of that success. To call it a leech would be an understatement. It is a betrayal, most of all to itself.
>pointless casino scenes
There's something about it that just disgusts me and I'm not sure what it is. Rise of Skywalker is probably a worse movie but I don't get the same feeling of hatred for it for some reason. The Reylo stuff is good though.
They did it wrong on purpose cuz they're destructive israelites.
female jedi bad
It's bad on purpose, don't you get it? Therefore it's good chud.
to much comic relief, not properly paced with audience reactions.
leia force powers not really set up and spacewalk was poorly framed so it looked cartoonish
graphic milking of seal beasts
dumb motivations for luke
rose ramming the frick out of finn in a vehicle to 'save' him
so much more shit in this film and im bored of listing it already
>TFA was rehash garbage
>RoS was incoherent boring gibberish
Knives Out is proof it wasn't Rian's fault the nu-trilogy sucked