What movie made male puberty a central conceit beyond "boy discovers they're attracted to girls now".
I'd actually be interested if they made Turning Red esq 'this is a puberty metaphor' movie with a boy because it's kind of eye roll inducing how every coming of age story right now is about the 'misunderstood girl who is trapped by her family's expectations'.
>when we talk about puberty for boys
Nibba male puberty is wanting to frick, voice cracks, acne, and muscle growth. Both genders get mood swings it's just boys can use strength training to boost test so it can calm them. In the gender wars males win when it comes to puberty. Unless you're Low T, an actual troony, or just ugly/very poor.
- The art style is just plain ugly. It took the worst traits of the "calarts" meme (perfectly round empty eyes, huge "bean" mouths, round sausage-like limbs) and adapted it to 3D in the exact same way the Grubhub ads did. Mouse shills claim it's supposed to be a reference of Studio Ghibli's works, even when they look nothing like it and the director srared that Sailor Moon and Ranma 1/2 were her main inspirations from anime (Luca is the movie actually inspired by Ghibli).
- Ugliest supporting character design in a Disney movie since Chicken Little. Everyone was made ugly in purpose (just like in the director's previous work Bao), thing Disney shills claim was done to represent the ugliness of puberty and crap like that.
- It was released when most people were tired of Disney's audiovisual (bad products and worse services) and political (forced diversity quotas, the fight with DeSantis) crap and vecame a perfect target of boycott.
- The theory about the panda being an allegory for puberty/menstruation/pussy caused a controversy that alienated even more of the consumers that were tired of Disney for political reasons ("wtf, this movie promotes child prostitution? reeeee").
- It offered a poor depiction of the early 00s and of Canada, depicting the time and place as present-day San Francisco (something common in cartoons as of late).
Let me put it like this:
This movie has only two fans.
The first are women who seem to have no standards for art who only like it for preaching to the choir about periods.
And men who like to jerk off to the girls in the movie.
This movie was honestly a massive missed opportunity and would have worked far better as a satire of post-September 11 paranoia and xenophobia than just Asian girl getting mad that her mother won’t let her spread her legs for every wiener darker than a paper bag
>The movie takes place after 9/11 >They have a brown guy with big beard and a turban working at the school and no one is mean towards him or acusses him of being a terrorist
There is a way to make that film work, but you would probably need to change a lot of the plot elements of the film. It would be weird to have the satire element and the original plot in the same movie. It doesn't fit together.
"Body going through changes?
Then remember kids, you can make extra money by selling 'snuggle sessions' to strangers.
Also your parents are always wrong."
Because the movie's director claimed that it was inspired by Ranma 1/2 (they even had a Ranma poster in the making of video for the movie), yet Turning Red had no naked female butts and nipples unlike Ranma 1/2
Its a girl though. Ranma magically turns into a girl.
Its not a trans allegory because trannies can only pretend to be girls. In that show Ranma turns into a girl with all her corresponding parts, its not a wig and fake breasts.
The fact that trannies have claimed ownership of Ranma 1/2 when the LGBT are the butt of many jokes in that show demonstrates how separated from reality they are.
Trannies try and claim Ranma by saying the dysphoria from him being forced to be a girl is an allegory for GID. He wants to be a man, but has to be in the body of a girl. And they related to that because they feel like they're women "trapped in the body of a man".
Of course over the course of the series Ranma comes to accept the female side and even frequently uses it to his advantage and to help him become a better man, but troons conveniently ignore that.
You have to remember most of them have never even watched Ranma. There are pro-troony anime out there like Revolutionary Girl Utena, but they've never watched that either. They just latch onto whatever's popular and try to project themselves into it because they have an exhibition fetish.
This. Its otherwise met with indifference because it was mostly meant for a female audience.
Men have shown they cant identify with women beyond hating them indiscriminately.
No idea, I loved it. I'm a sucker for anything that feels like the people making the movie had a lot of fun doing it, and this movie has that in spades. Also the OST is fricking rad as shit
Pixar fell off. They used to be a luxury brand, now they’re cheap garbage. I remember as a kid even adults would get excited for the new pixar movie and would talk about it earnestly amongst themselves, but sometime after Up and Toy Story 3 they just made a bunch of interchangeable generic slop that nobody really cared for. Turning Red honestly wasn’t that hated, audiences were mostly indifferent for it in the same way they were indifferent for Lightyear, Good Dinosaur, or Soul
>They used to be a luxury brand, now they’re cheap garbage. I remember as a kid even adults would get excited for the new Pixar movie and would talk about it earnestly amongst themselves...
This is I agree with to an extent, Pixar has gone down a bit in recent years. >...but sometime after Up and Toy Story 3...
The point where Pixar "dropped off" always varies from person to person, I'd argue that they stumbled around then, regained it a bit with Monsters University and Inside Out, stumbled again with with The Good Dinosaur and Finding Dory (I can't speak for Cars 3 since I never saw it, I've only seen the original film), had a brief glimmer of hope with Coco, stumbled yet again with next three films, had a mixed reception with Soul, and hasn't recovered its footing since. >...they just made a bunch of interchangeable generic slop that nobody really cared for.
It's less about it being "interchangeable generic slop" and more about the storywriting for Pixar's more recent films being heavily shifted towards a personal story/experience that the director of said film. Compare that to Pixar's past films that explored a concept we've all (or a good majority of us) have pondered about at some point in our lives. >Turning Red honestly wasn’t that hated, audiences were mostly indifferent for it...
While that is true it's worth noting that the audience that came to see Turning Red refuses to accept anything other than blind praise. Any sort of criticism towards the film, no matter how small, will cause them to label you as a bigoted piece of shit that doesn't deserve to exist.
I didn't hate it, it just wasn't good. Hating it takes effort. I watched it once and though, damn that was shit and moved on. It was a random Asian chick from Toronto trying to make her life's story into some grander tale and it all just came off as horribly self centered and narcissistic. Not everyone is Hemingway so not everything needs to be about you.
Turning Red really would've worked better with fear of the panda being an analogy for anti-Muslim/Arab xenophobia post-9/11 tbh
Think about it, to the average person, she's a ten foot tall monster running around in the streets. It would only be natural that people would fear her and that she would suffer from socially isolation because of it.
The story wasn't that memorable outside of the idea of focusing on a young girl's puberty.
There's also the many controversial ideas others have pointed out but I'm gonna add one more.
The dad of the family is a loser who has no control over his family. This is seen as comedic when in reality its a terrible example to follow. A man who can't tell his wife to calm down and his daughter to focus on what's important is a man who might as well be dead or divorced, his daughter is raised by basically one parent and the wife thinks he's useless. All the bad things that happen to a child when the father is absent will also happen when the father is a pathetic beta cuckold.
We need examples of good fathers in media because men need to understand how important they are for a family. It's one thing to be the butt of a joke and still stand firm on your convictions, and another is to be pushed out and be too scared to stand up for yourself.
The push for girlbosses is really a push to creat weaker and more subservient men ready to bend to the government's will. Not a new point, but something dangerous that gets swept under the rug. Do you have more examples of this?
The end credits scene is him enjoying the boy band his daughter listens to. They’re also encouraging men to wallow in the same degradation they want their daughters to undergo
I just think they story is very uncreative for pixar. They also use some obnoxious animated comedy cliches in animation, like just having everyone make stupid faces and be awkward as a joke. This story just flat out doesn't need to be told, annoying teen girls having crushes and metaphors for puberty are overdone and annoying to watch, they dumb down the medium to reach target audiences, refusing broad appeal cause they actually just hate their own medium.
Ugly art style
Self-insert story by a writer with no imagination
Overly reliant on quippy dialogue and pop culture references
It's a microcosm of everything wrong with film and animation of the last twenty years. It's not particularly worse than anything else that released around the same time.
You’re right. It’s literally her Mary Sue insert who starts out perfect in every way learning how to become an unpleasant c**t like every other b***h in charge.
rabbi synagogue made this movie
stfu moron
i am correct
Fpbp
I'm sure Asian immigrants appreciated Yidsney telling kids to honor boys before their parents.
Because it's ok when we talk about puberty for boys, but apparently not for girls.
What movie made male puberty a central conceit beyond "boy discovers they're attracted to girls now".
I'd actually be interested if they made Turning Red esq 'this is a puberty metaphor' movie with a boy because it's kind of eye roll inducing how every coming of age story right now is about the 'misunderstood girl who is trapped by her family's expectations'.
the movie was about having periods. which is something girls dont really like talking about and everyone knows this.
>when we talk about puberty for boys
Nibba male puberty is wanting to frick, voice cracks, acne, and muscle growth. Both genders get mood swings it's just boys can use strength training to boost test so it can calm them. In the gender wars males win when it comes to puberty. Unless you're Low T, an actual troony, or just ugly/very poor.
bretty good, better than cars 3
>Unless you're Low T, an actual troony, or just ugly/very poor.
what are the odds this anon makes more than $30k 😛
Degenerate, pedo, furry movie.
i agree with most of that comment.
Tangled was the last good animated Disney movie.
Between OP pic and Wish, which shat the bed harder?
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no you're not you fricking moron
Most people aren't teenage girls or 30 year old women.
It is?
only incels on Cinemaphile hate it
‘Fraid So
- The art style is just plain ugly. It took the worst traits of the "calarts" meme (perfectly round empty eyes, huge "bean" mouths, round sausage-like limbs) and adapted it to 3D in the exact same way the Grubhub ads did. Mouse shills claim it's supposed to be a reference of Studio Ghibli's works, even when they look nothing like it and the director srared that Sailor Moon and Ranma 1/2 were her main inspirations from anime (Luca is the movie actually inspired by Ghibli).
- Ugliest supporting character design in a Disney movie since Chicken Little. Everyone was made ugly in purpose (just like in the director's previous work Bao), thing Disney shills claim was done to represent the ugliness of puberty and crap like that.
- It was released when most people were tired of Disney's audiovisual (bad products and worse services) and political (forced diversity quotas, the fight with DeSantis) crap and vecame a perfect target of boycott.
- The theory about the panda being an allegory for puberty/menstruation/pussy caused a controversy that alienated even more of the consumers that were tired of Disney for political reasons ("wtf, this movie promotes child prostitution? reeeee").
- It offered a poor depiction of the early 00s and of Canada, depicting the time and place as present-day San Francisco (something common in cartoons as of late).
All of those are extremely superficial/tertiary points, the lack of real specificity makes me think you haven't actually watched the movie.
Ugly art style and basically showed that Pixar was slipping in quality.
I don't consider it any worse than Teenage Kraken, but Pixar isn't supposed to create shit like that.
It's ugly and a generally bad movie.
Let me put it like this:
This movie has only two fans.
The first are women who seem to have no standards for art who only like it for preaching to the choir about periods.
And men who like to jerk off to the girls in the movie.
>men who like to jerk off to the girls in the movie
Bad taste.
Distinct lack of pregnant Mei or Ming
>another movie about an asian girl that hates her parents and wishes she were white, written by a western asian woman
Every single time.
Mr. Enter was right
This movie was honestly a massive missed opportunity and would have worked far better as a satire of post-September 11 paranoia and xenophobia than just Asian girl getting mad that her mother won’t let her spread her legs for every wiener darker than a paper bag
Kys aiBlack person
>The movie takes place after 9/11
>They have a brown guy with big beard and a turban working at the school and no one is mean towards him or acusses him of being a terrorist
Canadians cheered after 9/11, they thought it was funny and that we deserved it. Europeans too. Should've invaded them instead of Iraq
There is a way to make that film work, but you would probably need to change a lot of the plot elements of the film. It would be weird to have the satire element and the original plot in the same movie. It doesn't fit together.
Disney should make a sequel of Luca focused on male puberty (represented as the boys' loss of control over their monster transformation or something).
Beacuse it was intended for females 10-25, not 35 year old men
People hate women having pandas.
"Body going through changes?
Then remember kids, you can make extra money by selling 'snuggle sessions' to strangers.
Also your parents are always wrong."
It wasn’t apologetic enough about being horny
Because the movie's director claimed that it was inspired by Ranma 1/2 (they even had a Ranma poster in the making of video for the movie), yet Turning Red had no naked female butts and nipples unlike Ranma 1/2
I want to frick that boy
Its a girl though. Ranma magically turns into a girl.
Its not a trans allegory because trannies can only pretend to be girls. In that show Ranma turns into a girl with all her corresponding parts, its not a wig and fake breasts.
The fact that trannies have claimed ownership of Ranma 1/2 when the LGBT are the butt of many jokes in that show demonstrates how separated from reality they are.
Trannies try and claim Ranma by saying the dysphoria from him being forced to be a girl is an allegory for GID. He wants to be a man, but has to be in the body of a girl. And they related to that because they feel like they're women "trapped in the body of a man".
Of course over the course of the series Ranma comes to accept the female side and even frequently uses it to his advantage and to help him become a better man, but troons conveniently ignore that.
You have to remember most of them have never even watched Ranma. There are pro-troony anime out there like Revolutionary Girl Utena, but they've never watched that either. They just latch onto whatever's popular and try to project themselves into it because they have an exhibition fetish.
I agree. Good post.
It's not, it's only hated by a vocal minority on here.
This. Its otherwise met with indifference because it was mostly meant for a female audience.
Men have shown they cant identify with women beyond hating them indiscriminately.
No idea, I loved it. I'm a sucker for anything that feels like the people making the movie had a lot of fun doing it, and this movie has that in spades. Also the OST is fricking rad as shit
Pixar fell off. They used to be a luxury brand, now they’re cheap garbage. I remember as a kid even adults would get excited for the new pixar movie and would talk about it earnestly amongst themselves, but sometime after Up and Toy Story 3 they just made a bunch of interchangeable generic slop that nobody really cared for. Turning Red honestly wasn’t that hated, audiences were mostly indifferent for it in the same way they were indifferent for Lightyear, Good Dinosaur, or Soul
>They used to be a luxury brand, now they’re cheap garbage. I remember as a kid even adults would get excited for the new Pixar movie and would talk about it earnestly amongst themselves...
This is I agree with to an extent, Pixar has gone down a bit in recent years.
>...but sometime after Up and Toy Story 3...
The point where Pixar "dropped off" always varies from person to person, I'd argue that they stumbled around then, regained it a bit with Monsters University and Inside Out, stumbled again with with The Good Dinosaur and Finding Dory (I can't speak for Cars 3 since I never saw it, I've only seen the original film), had a brief glimmer of hope with Coco, stumbled yet again with next three films, had a mixed reception with Soul, and hasn't recovered its footing since.
>...they just made a bunch of interchangeable generic slop that nobody really cared for.
It's less about it being "interchangeable generic slop" and more about the storywriting for Pixar's more recent films being heavily shifted towards a personal story/experience that the director of said film. Compare that to Pixar's past films that explored a concept we've all (or a good majority of us) have pondered about at some point in our lives.
>Turning Red honestly wasn’t that hated, audiences were mostly indifferent for it...
While that is true it's worth noting that the audience that came to see Turning Red refuses to accept anything other than blind praise. Any sort of criticism towards the film, no matter how small, will cause them to label you as a bigoted piece of shit that doesn't deserve to exist.
People convinced themselves the movie was evil or something.
I didn't hate it, it just wasn't good. Hating it takes effort. I watched it once and though, damn that was shit and moved on. It was a random Asian chick from Toronto trying to make her life's story into some grander tale and it all just came off as horribly self centered and narcissistic. Not everyone is Hemingway so not everything needs to be about you.
Not enough porn of the panda
Because it is shit!
It's not, moron
>4town
>5 members
Reminds me of a band from Poland named Just 5
That's not even the weirdest one, there's a heavy metal band in the Czech Republic named after some random Holocaust victim and it's not Anne Frank
It didn't talk about 9/11 enough.
Turning Red really would've worked better with fear of the panda being an analogy for anti-Muslim/Arab xenophobia post-9/11 tbh
Think about it, to the average person, she's a ten foot tall monster running around in the streets. It would only be natural that people would fear her and that she would suffer from socially isolation because of it.
The story wasn't that memorable outside of the idea of focusing on a young girl's puberty.
There's also the many controversial ideas others have pointed out but I'm gonna add one more.
The dad of the family is a loser who has no control over his family. This is seen as comedic when in reality its a terrible example to follow. A man who can't tell his wife to calm down and his daughter to focus on what's important is a man who might as well be dead or divorced, his daughter is raised by basically one parent and the wife thinks he's useless. All the bad things that happen to a child when the father is absent will also happen when the father is a pathetic beta cuckold.
We need examples of good fathers in media because men need to understand how important they are for a family. It's one thing to be the butt of a joke and still stand firm on your convictions, and another is to be pushed out and be too scared to stand up for yourself.
The push for girlbosses is really a push to creat weaker and more subservient men ready to bend to the government's will. Not a new point, but something dangerous that gets swept under the rug. Do you have more examples of this?
The end credits scene is him enjoying the boy band his daughter listens to. They’re also encouraging men to wallow in the same degradation they want their daughters to undergo
I just think they story is very uncreative for pixar. They also use some obnoxious animated comedy cliches in animation, like just having everyone make stupid faces and be awkward as a joke. This story just flat out doesn't need to be told, annoying teen girls having crushes and metaphors for puberty are overdone and annoying to watch, they dumb down the medium to reach target audiences, refusing broad appeal cause they actually just hate their own medium.
Its a very mediocre movie that people pretended was some kind of masterpiece.
Man I loved this movie, it's one of my favourite from Pixar. It's sad that people dismiss it
Ugly art style
Self-insert story by a writer with no imagination
Overly reliant on quippy dialogue and pop culture references
It's a microcosm of everything wrong with film and animation of the last twenty years. It's not particularly worse than anything else that released around the same time.
You’re right. It’s literally her Mary Sue insert who starts out perfect in every way learning how to become an unpleasant c**t like every other b***h in charge.