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That should be obvious, none of this is real. Next you'll tell me that the people posting "my wife" about fictional animated characters are laboring under the impression those characters are actually real and their wife.
Lucasfilm would disagree with you. Plus Georgie himself rubber stamped Mara as canon in the first place, if he had a major issue with her he would've demanded she be killed off like he did with Anakin Solo.
>He signed off on it on the basis that the EU is a separate continuity.
If it wasn't a separate continuity. There was a canon hierarchy with different levels so as long as a lower level didn't contradict a higher level it was considered canon. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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*It wasn't
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>There was a canon hierarchy with different levels
Put in place by Lucasfilm. To Lucas, only his movies count. To Lucasfilm, everything counts until it doesn't.
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>To Lucas, only his movies count.
Than why did he bother personally working on multimedia projects like Shadows of the Empire, the Force Unleashed, etc?
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Because MONEY.
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He was already a Billionaire at that point.
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And to stay as one, he needs to keep making money. That cash doesn't last forever.
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That makes no sense though, plenty of products made tons of money without Lucas involvement. He chose to be involved in certain projects like Shadows of the Empire, 1313, Force Unleashed, etc. He liked Darth Talon enough to suggest using her in the Darth Maul game.
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>He chose to be involved in certain projects like Shadows of the Empire, 1313, Force Unleashed, etc.
Doesn't mean they're canon. They were big projects that had the privilege of havng the boss involved.
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Seems like major cope to me. I recall reading George was heavily involved with stuff like Shadows of the Empire so it would fit with his movies.
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Shadows might be canon, but most of everything else certainly isn't.
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That's not how it works anon. It's either all canon or it's not. I thought it was dumb that Jacen Solo fell to the dark side and became Darth Caedus but that doesn't make it any less canon than the good stuff like KOTOR or the X-Wing novels.
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Seems like major cope to me. I recall reading George was heavily involved with stuff like Shadows of the Empire so it would fit with his movies.
That makes no sense though, plenty of products made tons of money without Lucas involvement. He chose to be involved in certain projects like Shadows of the Empire, 1313, Force Unleashed, etc. He liked Darth Talon enough to suggest using her in the Darth Maul game.
>To Lucas, only his movies count.
Than why did he bother personally working on multimedia projects like Shadows of the Empire, the Force Unleashed, etc?
>He signed off on it on the basis that the EU is a separate continuity.
If it wasn't a separate continuity. There was a canon hierarchy with different levels so as long as a lower level didn't contradict a higher level it was considered canon. Look it up if you don't believe me.
>Mara Jade was never canon even under George.
Lucasfilm would disagree with you. Plus Georgie himself rubber stamped Mara as canon in the first place, if he had a major issue with her he would've demanded she be killed off like he did with Anakin Solo.
Only the movies, The Clone Wars, and Underworld TV-show was canon to Lucas. The rest, even if he was occasionally asked for input by the EU people, was not.
>"I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now [The Clone Wars] animated film and television series,” he says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son - and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose. Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way."—George Lucas: Mr Emperor strikes back
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>The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story.
Based Lucas saying that Disney shit isn't canon.
He had a love hate relationship with the EU, he viewed it as a separate thing from his movies but he was always willing to take stuff he liked from it. The name Coruscant comes from the Thrawn trilogy, in the original RotJ script the Imperial capital would have been named Had Abbadon.
Zoomer actually don't like Star Wars. They like prequels and all this post-prequel crap. They are literally too soulless to appreciate Star Wars, so the video game aesthetics of new products appeal to them more.
This
I can forgive the writing of the prequel movies because they gave us some of the best videogames of the time
I cannot forgive any of the shit of the sequels because it only led to homosexualry
>even in the ot han mogs him into oblivion
Pic related's the first original issue of Marvel's Star Wars. Before this, it was an adaptation of ANH. Notice how Luke and Leia are nowhere to be seen. They show up like 10 issues later.
Lucas famously has autism about Luke remaining unmarried and he wasn't the biggest fan of Mara Jade as a result. Robot Chicken did a sketch where they suggest including her in one of their parodies and Lucas himself appeared to have a joking temper tantrum about it.
Because he's an ugly dweeb. Anakin is the uber chad with a tragic backstory and all the dark triad stuff girls love and boys want to emulate. Obi-Wan is slick, stylish, dapper, charismatic and steadfast. Luke's a dweeb who grows into a typical neutered good guy protagonist and doesn't look the least bit cool. The EU wanked him so hard while still keeping the same dweeby look and persona that it made me despise him.
>dood heckin wholesome goofy goody-two-shoes can convert evil hot dommymommies with their niceness it's heckin kino!
I hate you morons so goddamn much. The same type that likes Supergay. I get it, the Trenchcoat Brigade is also juvenile, you don't have to stoop to infantile levels to be contrarian. Luke is objectively boring compared to all the other characters and he's just Lucas' self-insert whose main point is to max the power of friendship/love. It's far less interesting and engaging than Anakin and Obi-Wan, and the EU wanking he received does not make him more likeable, it makes him irritating.
Growing up is realizing that wide eyed naive characters that grow up into good mature men is peak storytelling and Anakin couldn't be more proud that his son confronted and surpassed the character flaws that he succumbed to. The son facing the same challenges that his father did and refusing to submit is great shit and why Star Wars is great.
No, this is just the typical contrarianism born out of a decade that wallowed in nihilism and materialism. You cannot think properly, so you attach yourselves to simple and naive worldviews. Whether it's >dood nothin frickin matters let's frick and curse and say frick and shit and burp and fuuuuuuuuu
or >I'm a heckin wholesome goody-goody boy and I resist the meanie grey moralists; there's always a third way my heckin wholesome chums!
it's equally infantile. You're no better than them, you're just another kind of moron.
What is this projection? I like well-written hero's journey stories and always have, I've always loved the PT and OT and the basic theme of "Luke has the potential to fall to the same path his father did but because he chooses unselfish love over selfish love he resists" is great. I'm sorry everything to you is contrarianism or contrarianism in reaction to contrarianism but in reality it's just appreciation of good storytelling. Morally good characters aren't boring just because you say so.
The equivalent situation is Luke having visions his friends will die on Bespin in the same way Anakin had visions, not having a wife and child. And then Lucas was very obviously drawing a parallel to the Throne Room scene with Anakin's choice about what to do with Mace Windu.
>who is Luke's wife and son?
I read this one fanfic where Luke got Leia pregant at Hoth. It's actually pretty good. Luke becomes a Sith to gain the power and resources to find and protect Leia and their child, while Leia becomes a Jedi to save him and end the Empire. They don't know they're related. Luke even finds out Vader's his father when he visits the Jedi Temple and sees a vision of him killing the younglings. Pic related's when Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin find out what happened.
>No one likes Anakin.
Plenty do. Only nerds hate him. >the two are basically completely separate characters.
They're the same guy, whether you like it or not.
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I didn't say they were not the same guy.
I said Darth Vader and Anakin are basically completely separate characters. Which is true.
And no one likes Anakin because no one likes the prequels.
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>And no one likes Anakin because no one likes the prequels.
Speak for yourself, nerd.
>converts imperial redhead with his farmboy charm and marries her
She wasn't an Imperial anymore. They met post-RotJ. It'd mean something if she was an actual Dark Lady of the Sith like pic related.
Canon is that Luke becomes a pathetic cuck that lives alone on some remote planet and drinks alien cum to survive. He then dies in the most pathetic way imaginable to help Rey who even Yoda says is better than him in every way.
>Because he's an ugly dweeb
This is why I have no qualms if they recast. People can accept the boyscout shit if said guy is tall, handsome and charismatic.
anakin is a whiny homosexual stomping his little feet and saying ITS NOT FAIR every other scene. also Hayden has gayface. horrible choice for your ebin space wizard samurai guy.
he doesn't get enough badass moments at his peak in the series.
imagine a fully realized luke just coming in and stomping some powerful enemy. i think that happens in the mandalorian but it needed to happen in a big movie.
>imagine a fully realized luke just coming in and stomping some powerful enemy.
Why would you want that? The whole thing about Luke is that he won because he gave up his desire for revenge and surrendered. He would have ended up a roast turkey if he didn't forgive his father and drop the light tube. Fighting is just not his character, it would look really bad and feel bad to watch.
Didn't you get enough glowstick battles already with basically everything else SW?
no i like stories where the chosen one is one of the most powerful at the end of the story and then if you skip ahead 20-30 years they're the most powerful being in the universe and can frick up anyone except they have some emotional/philosophical problem holding them back.
jabba's barge felt gay and luke struggled too much against that monster in the dungeon. the victory over vader didn't feel like anything. luke bulldozing through the most powerful enemy 30 years later would be way, way more fricking epic.
>luke should have been Goku!
No thanks
you're so fricking low IQ. you can subvert expectations in other ways. it's OK to have epic moments with a prodigious character who is older.
no i like stories where the chosen one is one of the most powerful at the end of the story and then if you skip ahead 20-30 years they're the most powerful being in the universe and can frick up anyone except they have some emotional/philosophical problem holding them back.
The sequel trilogy did the entire OT cast dirty, utterly undoing all their development and accomplishments for no other reason than to shamelessly rehash the OT, but at the end of the day Luke arguably got it the worst to the point where the character is totally unrecognizable with his supposedly big heroic moment bein anticlimactic and the epitome of Too Little, Too Late and Disney was very much aware of it, if the whole "I was wrong" and "A Jedi's Weapon deserves more respect" in TROS is any indication, plus the rumor that Disney execs straight up send Abrams a memo telling him to fix Luke.
Why didn't they just make Star Wars Jedi Academy as a Hogwarts ripoff with Luke as a Dumbledore equivalent. It's so fricking obvious and it was near perfect timing to come out with a replacement for Harry Potter when Episode 7 released (about 4 years after the last HP).
We've barely been given anything for Luke in the past 25 years. In the OT/PT - Anakin/Vader got so much screentime. Then he had the benefit of The Clone Wars to give him more exposure.
Luke, and by extension the whole OT cast - didn't get those chances. You had the EU which is all noncanon now.. and were in media formats that are sort of depreciated.
What Luke and the OG cast needed was a show like The Clone Wars, imo. Set right after RoTJ and should have gone on for quite a number of years and seasons before The Force Awakens. Another anon once said that Lucas' cancelled live action show was meant to be that.
>Set right after RoTJ and should have gone on for quite a number of years and seasons before The Force Awakens.
Or in between ANH and ESB. Rebel should've been exactly that instead of a show about randos. >Another anon once said that Lucas' cancelled live action show was meant to be that.
Underworld was meant to take place between RotS and ANH. Rogue One and Solo were based on scripts for it.
The movies mention multiple times that life was better for people under the empire. The rebels lives like pathetic multicultural ghetto rats compared to the stable empire societies.
People like strong men and Luke was a pathetic weakling for most of the original trilogy. They also ruined him in the new movies by destroying his character development and reverting him back to a pathetic weakling.
Canon is that Luke becomes a pathetic cuck that lives alone on some remote planet and drinks alien cum to survive. He then dies in the most pathetic way imaginable to help Rey who even Yoda says is better than him in every way.
The Last Jedi had the best portrayal of Luke and the best acting from Hammil ever.
You guys should go back to pleddit.
> he faces down an entire army
The army sits there and watches as Luke pointlessly kills himself after living in hiding and drinking alien cum for 40 years. If we're being ridiculously generous the best we can say is that Luke died to buy 10 seconds for Rey, the real hero, to save everyone.
>Luke pointlessly kills himself
He inspired the galaxy to fight back against the First Order. >for 40 years
Luke isolated himself for a few years.
Try watching the movie before talking about it.
I agree. Rey is one of the worst characters ever put to film but unfortunately she's objectively better than Luke.
Let me guess, she is bad because "she has no flaws and never needs help" despite the fact she has flaws and had to be saved multiple times.
jabba's barge felt gay and luke struggled too much against that monster in the dungeon. the victory over vader didn't feel like anything. luke bulldozing through the most powerful enemy 30 years later would be way, way more fricking epic.
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you're so fricking low IQ. you can subvert expectations in other ways. it's OK to have epic moments with a prodigious character who is older.
Kek, I love when TLJ haters admit they simply wanted Luke to be a gary-stu power fantasy.
Which would be funny because Luke adopted a peaceful stance at the end of ROTJ.
>Kek, I love when TLJ haters
i'm not a sequels hater. i don't even remember what happens in them and dropped it after the 2nd movie in that trilogy. although i was annoyed at luke's force projection bullshit that wasn't even impressive because how am i supposed to gauge how cool that is as opposed to him fricking force chokeslamming every dark side homosexual in that universe at the time.
>He inspired the galaxy to fight back against the First Order.
No he didn't, they refused to do so until Lando convinces them to offscreen in the next movie. I know this is deliberate shitposting but still.
>No he didn't
Yes he did, it's on the last 5 minutes of the movie. >until Lando convinces them
Yeah bro Lando convinced thousands of people from hundred of different planets in a few hours.
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He literally did. No one comes to help the Resistance at the end of TLJ, in fact they're still hiding out alone at the beginning of the next movie. Lando is the one that brings the giant fleet (out of nowhere kek) to fight the star destroyers that need a beacon to go up for some reason. At least watch the movies before doing a bit.
Disney should stop paying people to shit on the old trilogy to somehow gaslight people into thinking their modern trash is equivalent or superior, these threads are fricking pathetic like the call centers used to bump these homosexual threads
Luke doesn't relate to millenials and zoomers because he was a hardworking farm boy. Anakin was an emotional man-child, so the audience related to him a lot more.
>Anakin was an emotional man-child
He was 19 in AotC. And his mom died in his arms after being raped and tortured for weeks. Dude felt her suffering and pain. He felt her life slipping away as she died in his arms.
people say they don't like Luke because they want to be seen and feel as if they're quirky, unique and an individual so they choose anything but the most popular character because they assume everyone else will pick that character. Exposing that they are in fact, just drones.
The OT doesn't even hold up anymore. Plenty of movies have come out that are: >Better shot >Better acted >Better written >Better sfx
A shit ton of fiction took inspiration from it and ultimately did the formula better as a result. They're old movies. Of course it ain't gonna hold up forever.
Anakin looks younger, from 2000s, 2020s, Anakin looks cooler for men who want to looks and be like him and females who are attracted for him, Anakin is from young generation. And Obi-Wan is popular above Luke because of Anakin.
We dont care for the other Star War characters, maybe we liked Mandalorian because of the side-quest missions like video game and the cute strategy to sell toys, like Grogu
But we dont like the characters who arent Anakin, Darth Vader, Mandalorian and Obi-Wan because we arent born in the 70s or 80s
How have the prequels become the face of Star Wars? Nobody cares about the OT anymore. It’s all Anakin Anakin Anakin. Go on tiktok or youtube and it’s just all just prequel stuff at this point.
The problem with Luke is that he now seems like a bland and basic MC after a shit ton of media copied and added to the formula. There are thousands of Lukes at this point plus whatever gimmick that pertains to their respective IPs. He's outdated now. You can still have him be the good guy, he just needs more of an edge. Maybe play into the dark side tease that RotJ fricked with for not even 10 minutes.
It's the opposite. Only manchildren zoomies think edgy characters are the height of storytelling and you can make a character dark and brooding and that is all you need for a good character.
Who said anything about edgy? See, this is what I mean. Autists like you can only think in extremes. No middle ground, no nuance, no nothing. My point is that Luke is just too bland and lame for people to like him. Manchildren autists who watch children's cartoons like him just fine. But regular every day people, no.
>You can still have him be the good guy, he just needs more of an edge. Maybe play into the dark side tease that RotJ fricked with for not even 10 minutes.
Dishonest homosexual.
10 years ago next week is when Disney de-canonized the EU and people are still arguing about it while The Sequel Trilogy is already being forgotten lmao.
too much of a boy scout, morally complex characters are more appealing
>Taking starshit seriously
You are a fricking homosexual.
You are undoubtedly hiding some context, so I will not partake in this thread
Media illiteracy. Luke is the best Star Wars character and the israelites at Disney deserve death for ruining him.
Even before the prequels, Luke was always less popular than Han. He is too dumb farmboy and turns into a goody two shoes, not enough edge.
nah it was at best 60-40.
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Gee, I don't know...
He's literally me fr fr
jk I don't have a sister ;_;
In his defense, Leia was the one who kissed him. Twice in fact. She also said that she somehow always knew, the nasty b***h.
Luke banged a hot redhead leather-clad sith assassin dominatrix. Frick you, Yidsney.
>Luke banged a hot redhead leather-clad sith assassin dominatrix
When he was 38. Dude had love interests beforehand but rarely ever scored.
I'd wait until 38 if I got to bang this too. You would as well, don't deny it.
She ain't waiting for you, dude.
That should be obvious, none of this is real. Next you'll tell me that the people posting "my wife" about fictional animated characters are laboring under the impression those characters are actually real and their wife.
Mara Jade was never canon even under George. He hated the idea of Luke having a wife for whatever reason
>never canon even under George
>Mara Jade was never canon even under George.
Lucasfilm would disagree with you. Plus Georgie himself rubber stamped Mara as canon in the first place, if he had a major issue with her he would've demanded she be killed off like he did with Anakin Solo.
>Lucasfilm would disagree with you
Lucasfilm is not Lucas. He signed off on it on the basis that the EU is a separate continuity.
>He signed off on it on the basis that the EU is a separate continuity.
If it wasn't a separate continuity. There was a canon hierarchy with different levels so as long as a lower level didn't contradict a higher level it was considered canon. Look it up if you don't believe me.
*It wasn't
>There was a canon hierarchy with different levels
Put in place by Lucasfilm. To Lucas, only his movies count. To Lucasfilm, everything counts until it doesn't.
>To Lucas, only his movies count.
Than why did he bother personally working on multimedia projects like Shadows of the Empire, the Force Unleashed, etc?
Because MONEY.
He was already a Billionaire at that point.
And to stay as one, he needs to keep making money. That cash doesn't last forever.
That makes no sense though, plenty of products made tons of money without Lucas involvement. He chose to be involved in certain projects like Shadows of the Empire, 1313, Force Unleashed, etc. He liked Darth Talon enough to suggest using her in the Darth Maul game.
>He chose to be involved in certain projects like Shadows of the Empire, 1313, Force Unleashed, etc.
Doesn't mean they're canon. They were big projects that had the privilege of havng the boss involved.
Seems like major cope to me. I recall reading George was heavily involved with stuff like Shadows of the Empire so it would fit with his movies.
Shadows might be canon, but most of everything else certainly isn't.
That's not how it works anon. It's either all canon or it's not. I thought it was dumb that Jacen Solo fell to the dark side and became Darth Caedus but that doesn't make it any less canon than the good stuff like KOTOR or the X-Wing novels.
Only the movies, The Clone Wars, and Underworld TV-show was canon to Lucas. The rest, even if he was occasionally asked for input by the EU people, was not.
>"I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now [The Clone Wars] animated film and television series,” he says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son - and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose. Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way."—George Lucas: Mr Emperor strikes back
>The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story.
Based Lucas saying that Disney shit isn't canon.
He had a love hate relationship with the EU, he viewed it as a separate thing from his movies but he was always willing to take stuff he liked from it. The name Coruscant comes from the Thrawn trilogy, in the original RotJ script the Imperial capital would have been named Had Abbadon.
>on the jedi council
Whithout the title of Master? Sad.
Anakin murdered children 🙂
Because if he didn't. his wife and unborn child would die.
They were future Jedi chuds it's ok
Star Wars fans only like bad guys
Zoomer actually don't like Star Wars. They like prequels and all this post-prequel crap. They are literally too soulless to appreciate Star Wars, so the video game aesthetics of new products appeal to them more.
The only good things about star wars were the legos and the video games. pic related and starwars battlefront particularly
This. Even the worst of the prequels, Episode 2, is bumped up to good because of the sheer number of stuff it introduced to make into toys and games.
This
I can forgive the writing of the prequel movies because they gave us some of the best videogames of the time
I cannot forgive any of the shit of the sequels because it only led to homosexualry
100%
>18k votes following some Vader account
>Why Vader so popular????
I'll bet if you just put Anakin the number would be much lower. I think people separate the characters unconsciously.
luke is the most boring character in sw. even in the ot han mogs him into oblivion
>even in the ot han mogs him into oblivion
Pic related's the first original issue of Marvel's Star Wars. Before this, it was an adaptation of ANH. Notice how Luke and Leia are nowhere to be seen. They show up like 10 issues later.
Han Solo is the best character 🙂
Because people made the mistake of watching anything more than the first Star Wars movie
The best character in star wars is Jojo Starfighter.
Negative rizz
Dude never scored.
He had a jedi wife and child
Hm, why did Anakin and Obi-Wan win a poll on a channel that's about Darth Vader and also probably focused on the prequels? We'll never know.
The frick is this?
It's just a joke. Lucas and his crew like to jest.
Lucas famously has autism about Luke remaining unmarried and he wasn't the biggest fan of Mara Jade as a result. Robot Chicken did a sketch where they suggest including her in one of their parodies and Lucas himself appeared to have a joking temper tantrum about it.
seems real to me
George is a better actor than director
Because he's an ugly dweeb. Anakin is the uber chad with a tragic backstory and all the dark triad stuff girls love and boys want to emulate. Obi-Wan is slick, stylish, dapper, charismatic and steadfast. Luke's a dweeb who grows into a typical neutered good guy protagonist and doesn't look the least bit cool. The EU wanked him so hard while still keeping the same dweeby look and persona that it made me despise him.
>anakin
>kills his wife, loses his limbs, ends up in a cuck suit while palpatine laughs at him
>luke
>converts imperial redhead with his farmboy charm and marries her
>converts imperial redhead with his farmboy charm and marries her
Not canon.
If we're going off of Disneyshit they're both cucks and Rey Palpatine is the chad then.
Yes, Rey is stronger and more skilled than Luke. Funny how this upsets so many people.
Your imitation of twitteresque Reylos for the purpose of shitposting won't bait me.
Rey trained more than Luke. She's objectively more skilled than him.
Once again, I won't be baited by someone shitposting with five year old Reylo arguments. As soon as Kylo died they all died off because of the seethe.
What arguments? I'm just pointing the fact Rey trained more than Luke.
You know Marvel comics right, and you know how they’ve got the Ultimate Universe? The Legends universe is the Ultimate Universe.
Disney isn’t canon
>dood heckin wholesome goofy goody-two-shoes can convert evil hot dommymommies with their niceness it's heckin kino!
I hate you morons so goddamn much. The same type that likes Supergay. I get it, the Trenchcoat Brigade is also juvenile, you don't have to stoop to infantile levels to be contrarian. Luke is objectively boring compared to all the other characters and he's just Lucas' self-insert whose main point is to max the power of friendship/love. It's far less interesting and engaging than Anakin and Obi-Wan, and the EU wanking he received does not make him more likeable, it makes him irritating.
Growing up is realizing that wide eyed naive characters that grow up into good mature men is peak storytelling and Anakin couldn't be more proud that his son confronted and surpassed the character flaws that he succumbed to. The son facing the same challenges that his father did and refusing to submit is great shit and why Star Wars is great.
No, this is just the typical contrarianism born out of a decade that wallowed in nihilism and materialism. You cannot think properly, so you attach yourselves to simple and naive worldviews. Whether it's
>dood nothin frickin matters let's frick and curse and say frick and shit and burp and fuuuuuuuuu
or
>I'm a heckin wholesome goody-goody boy and I resist the meanie grey moralists; there's always a third way my heckin wholesome chums!
it's equally infantile. You're no better than them, you're just another kind of moron.
What is this projection? I like well-written hero's journey stories and always have, I've always loved the PT and OT and the basic theme of "Luke has the potential to fall to the same path his father did but because he chooses unselfish love over selfish love he resists" is great. I'm sorry everything to you is contrarianism or contrarianism in reaction to contrarianism but in reality it's just appreciation of good storytelling. Morally good characters aren't boring just because you say so.
>The son facing the same challenges that his father did
ORLLY
For starters, who is Luke's wife and son?
The equivalent situation is Luke having visions his friends will die on Bespin in the same way Anakin had visions, not having a wife and child. And then Lucas was very obviously drawing a parallel to the Throne Room scene with Anakin's choice about what to do with Mace Windu.
>who is Luke's wife and son?
I read this one fanfic where Luke got Leia pregant at Hoth. It's actually pretty good. Luke becomes a Sith to gain the power and resources to find and protect Leia and their child, while Leia becomes a Jedi to save him and end the Empire. They don't know they're related. Luke even finds out Vader's his father when he visits the Jedi Temple and sees a vision of him killing the younglings. Pic related's when Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin find out what happened.
Mannequin Skywalker fanboys aren't entitled to their opinion since it's objectively shit
Frick off, autist.
No one likes Anakin. They like Darth Vader and the two are basically completely separate characters.
>No one likes Anakin.
Plenty do. Only nerds hate him.
>the two are basically completely separate characters.
They're the same guy, whether you like it or not.
I didn't say they were not the same guy.
I said Darth Vader and Anakin are basically completely separate characters. Which is true.
And no one likes Anakin because no one likes the prequels.
>And no one likes Anakin because no one likes the prequels.
Speak for yourself, nerd.
>converts imperial redhead with his farmboy charm and marries her
When they were both almost 40.
Based, I wish I had a wife that looks as good as that at 40.
Too bad about the moron babies.
Jedi are by nature moronic, having kids earlier wouldn't have done much.
>converts imperial redhead with his farmboy charm and marries her
She wasn't an Imperial anymore. They met post-RotJ. It'd mean something if she was an actual Dark Lady of the Sith like pic related.
She wasn't an Imperial because they lost. She was still obsessed with getting revenge for the Emperor's death by killing Luke Skywalker.
Canon is that Luke becomes a pathetic cuck that lives alone on some remote planet and drinks alien cum to survive. He then dies in the most pathetic way imaginable to help Rey who even Yoda says is better than him in every way.
>to help Rey who even Yoda says is better than him in every way
But she is. Rey trained more than Luke therefore she is better than him.
I agree. Rey is one of the worst characters ever put to film but unfortunately she's objectively better than Luke.
That’s not canon actually
>caring about Disney fanfiction
>Because he's an ugly dweeb
This is why I have no qualms if they recast. People can accept the boyscout shit if said guy is tall, handsome and charismatic.
anakin is a whiny homosexual stomping his little feet and saying ITS NOT FAIR every other scene. also Hayden has gayface. horrible choice for your ebin space wizard samurai guy.
Same reason nobody likes Superman.
he doesn't get enough badass moments at his peak in the series.
imagine a fully realized luke just coming in and stomping some powerful enemy. i think that happens in the mandalorian but it needed to happen in a big movie.
>imagine a fully realized luke just coming in and stomping some powerful enemy.
Why would you want that? The whole thing about Luke is that he won because he gave up his desire for revenge and surrendered. He would have ended up a roast turkey if he didn't forgive his father and drop the light tube. Fighting is just not his character, it would look really bad and feel bad to watch.
Didn't you get enough glowstick battles already with basically everything else SW?
no i like stories where the chosen one is one of the most powerful at the end of the story and then if you skip ahead 20-30 years they're the most powerful being in the universe and can frick up anyone except they have some emotional/philosophical problem holding them back.
>luke should have been Goku!
No thanks
He beats Vader and mows through everyone on Jabbas barge
jabba's barge felt gay and luke struggled too much against that monster in the dungeon. the victory over vader didn't feel like anything. luke bulldozing through the most powerful enemy 30 years later would be way, way more fricking epic.
you're so fricking low IQ. you can subvert expectations in other ways. it's OK to have epic moments with a prodigious character who is older.
>muh power levels
Go play a videogame
wtf is the problem with wanting SOME power levels in a fricking adventure action fantasy series with powers?
Not what Lucas intended
lucas can kiss my smelly ass (about to take a shit)
people only like anakin because of the memes
Evil luke
>Evil luke
Edgy as frick, if you're going to have Luke turn evil for some moronic reason at least go crazy with it like Dark Empire.
Still has that lame ass haircut.
The sequel trilogy did the entire OT cast dirty, utterly undoing all their development and accomplishments for no other reason than to shamelessly rehash the OT, but at the end of the day Luke arguably got it the worst to the point where the character is totally unrecognizable with his supposedly big heroic moment bein anticlimactic and the epitome of Too Little, Too Late and Disney was very much aware of it, if the whole "I was wrong" and "A Jedi's Weapon deserves more respect" in TROS is any indication, plus the rumor that Disney execs straight up send Abrams a memo telling him to fix Luke.
Why didn't they just make Star Wars Jedi Academy as a Hogwarts ripoff with Luke as a Dumbledore equivalent. It's so fricking obvious and it was near perfect timing to come out with a replacement for Harry Potter when Episode 7 released (about 4 years after the last HP).
>Why didn't they just make Star Wars Jedi Academy as a Hogwarts ripoff with Luke as a Dumbledore equivalent.
Because that's gay.
He was ruined as a character and upstaged by a woman. You can never come back from the latter.
Best character is Din Djarin
Because zoomers are everywhere and they can't stop sucking Filoni dick.
good morning dead IP shills/propagators!
We've barely been given anything for Luke in the past 25 years. In the OT/PT - Anakin/Vader got so much screentime. Then he had the benefit of The Clone Wars to give him more exposure.
Luke, and by extension the whole OT cast - didn't get those chances. You had the EU which is all noncanon now.. and were in media formats that are sort of depreciated.
What Luke and the OG cast needed was a show like The Clone Wars, imo. Set right after RoTJ and should have gone on for quite a number of years and seasons before The Force Awakens. Another anon once said that Lucas' cancelled live action show was meant to be that.
>Set right after RoTJ and should have gone on for quite a number of years and seasons before The Force Awakens.
Or in between ANH and ESB. Rebel should've been exactly that instead of a show about randos.
>Another anon once said that Lucas' cancelled live action show was meant to be that.
Underworld was meant to take place between RotS and ANH. Rogue One and Solo were based on scripts for it.
The Empire did nothing wrong. Darth just wanted to bring order to the universe.
The movies mention multiple times that life was better for people under the empire. The rebels lives like pathetic multicultural ghetto rats compared to the stable empire societies.
Anakin wins because
>prequelgays vote for anakin
>otgays vote for vader
I just like him cause he used to be a cute twink til he aged... sadly
Only in ANH. The car accident fricked his face up.
selection bias, the person most likely to talk about star wars on the internet are zoomers raised on the prequels and clone wars.
You mean the old blue titty milk moron? Why would anyone like him, no cap?
because mark hamil is a homosexual and I'm glad they ruined his character
Cause Mark Hamill is an uninteresing nerd in real life.
People like strong men and Luke was a pathetic weakling for most of the original trilogy. They also ruined him in the new movies by destroying his character development and reverting him back to a pathetic weakling.
The Last Jedi had the best portrayal of Luke and the best acting from Hammil ever.
You guys should go back to pleddit.
> he faces down an entire army
The army sits there and watches as Luke pointlessly kills himself after living in hiding and drinking alien cum for 40 years. If we're being ridiculously generous the best we can say is that Luke died to buy 10 seconds for Rey, the real hero, to save everyone.
>Luke pointlessly kills himself
He inspired the galaxy to fight back against the First Order.
>for 40 years
Luke isolated himself for a few years.
Try watching the movie before talking about it.
Let me guess, she is bad because "she has no flaws and never needs help" despite the fact she has flaws and had to be saved multiple times.
Kek, I love when TLJ haters admit they simply wanted Luke to be a gary-stu power fantasy.
Which would be funny because Luke adopted a peaceful stance at the end of ROTJ.
>Kek, I love when TLJ haters
i'm not a sequels hater. i don't even remember what happens in them and dropped it after the 2nd movie in that trilogy. although i was annoyed at luke's force projection bullshit that wasn't even impressive because how am i supposed to gauge how cool that is as opposed to him fricking force chokeslamming every dark side homosexual in that universe at the time.
Cringe.
Indeed, the canon is that Luke saved the Resistance and inspired the galaxy to unite against the First Order.
>He inspired the galaxy to fight back against the First Order.
No he didn't, they refused to do so until Lando convinces them to offscreen in the next movie. I know this is deliberate shitposting but still.
>No he didn't
Yes he did, it's on the last 5 minutes of the movie.
>until Lando convinces them
Yeah bro Lando convinced thousands of people from hundred of different planets in a few hours.
He literally did. No one comes to help the Resistance at the end of TLJ, in fact they're still hiding out alone at the beginning of the next movie. Lando is the one that brings the giant fleet (out of nowhere kek) to fight the star destroyers that need a beacon to go up for some reason. At least watch the movies before doing a bit.
Anakin and Vader should be separate. It's the same person but they're like different characters.
Disney should stop paying people to shit on the old trilogy to somehow gaslight people into thinking their modern trash is equivalent or superior, these threads are fricking pathetic like the call centers used to bump these homosexual threads
Self insert characters are never good.
Luke doesn't relate to millenials and zoomers because he was a hardworking farm boy. Anakin was an emotional man-child, so the audience related to him a lot more.
>Anakin was an emotional man-child
He was 19 in AotC. And his mom died in his arms after being raped and tortured for weeks. Dude felt her suffering and pain. He felt her life slipping away as she died in his arms.
>hardworking
all the audience sees is him whining about power converters.
actual correct answer coming right up
people say they don't like Luke because they want to be seen and feel as if they're quirky, unique and an individual so they choose anything but the most popular character because they assume everyone else will pick that character. Exposing that they are in fact, just drones.
Honestly, now that I think about it, Star Wars didn't have any good characters.
>Obi wan (both young and old)
>Darth Vader
>Boba Fett
>Han Solo
>Lando Calarissian
>Jabba
>Chewy
>Yoda
probably dozens more.
I don't see any good characters.
If you don't think the funny fat slug is a good character you're not intelligent enough to understand what a good character is.
The OT doesn't even hold up anymore. Plenty of movies have come out that are:
>Better shot
>Better acted
>Better written
>Better sfx
A shit ton of fiction took inspiration from it and ultimately did the formula better as a result. They're old movies. Of course it ain't gonna hold up forever.
Anakin looks younger, from 2000s, 2020s, Anakin looks cooler for men who want to looks and be like him and females who are attracted for him, Anakin is from young generation. And Obi-Wan is popular above Luke because of Anakin.
We dont care for the other Star War characters, maybe we liked Mandalorian because of the side-quest missions like video game and the cute strategy to sell toys, like Grogu
But we dont like the characters who arent Anakin, Darth Vader, Mandalorian and Obi-Wan because we arent born in the 70s or 80s
How have the prequels become the face of Star Wars? Nobody cares about the OT anymore. It’s all Anakin Anakin Anakin. Go on tiktok or youtube and it’s just all just prequel stuff at this point.
Because the movies are about Anakin.
Dune demolished Star Wars. it's dead and irrelevant.
so many shit opinions itt
The problem with Luke is that he now seems like a bland and basic MC after a shit ton of media copied and added to the formula. There are thousands of Lukes at this point plus whatever gimmick that pertains to their respective IPs. He's outdated now. You can still have him be the good guy, he just needs more of an edge. Maybe play into the dark side tease that RotJ fricked with for not even 10 minutes.
Giving Luke a chip on his shoulder like his dad would solve the issue. That and a better looking actor.
No, that's fricking gay and why every EU story devolved into everyone turning to the dark side and being edgy.
Boyscouts are gay, dude. No one but manchildren think they're cool.
It's the opposite. Only manchildren zoomies think edgy characters are the height of storytelling and you can make a character dark and brooding and that is all you need for a good character.
Who said anything about edgy? See, this is what I mean. Autists like you can only think in extremes. No middle ground, no nuance, no nothing. My point is that Luke is just too bland and lame for people to like him. Manchildren autists who watch children's cartoons like him just fine. But regular every day people, no.
>You can still have him be the good guy, he just needs more of an edge. Maybe play into the dark side tease that RotJ fricked with for not even 10 minutes.
Dishonest homosexual.
>George Lucas, who calls lightsabers "Lazer swords"to this day, cares about levels of EU Canon.
Lmao great take.
10 years ago next week is when Disney de-canonized the EU and people are still arguing about it while The Sequel Trilogy is already being forgotten lmao.