Why is MCU Namor Aztec? Seems like such an arbitrary tacked-on change.
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Why is MCU Namor Aztec? Seems like such an arbitrary tacked-on change.
I don’t know, maybe it could be interesting or maybe it won’t.
Because MCU has been total shit, you shouldn't expect them to respect any of the characters from the comics
>People are pretending to give a shit about Namor so they can further indulge in board outrage
It's the Mandarin all over again. What they did to Hulk was worth getting upset over, this shit isn't
Comic books are a visual medium so major design changes like this absolutely matter.
Spider-Gwen became inanely popular JUST because of her costume, good design can make or break a character.
Spider-Gwen is a shitty nothing character. I'm not going to pretend Namor was a good character just for the sake of outrage. I've pretty much have stopped caring about the MCU in general. Furthermore, the OP design pic gets 3 core things right about Namor's nothing design: green shorts, shirtless, winged feet. What else is there to say?
lol Namor's "design" is Spock in a speedo. You're gonna tell me that it matters what the design on his bling is? I didn't know it was possible to make discussing Namor even gayer but somehow you managed it by sperging over his israeliteelry.
Of course, Namor was created in 1939 and Spock in 1966. Bit of a problem saying Namor was based on Spock, ya think?
lmao his design is still Spock in a speedo, you know why?
Because even Spock is more recognizable than fricking Namor
>inanely popular
just porn
I've always liked both tbh, I liked that the Mandarin gave his rings to 10 disciples who acted as top henchmen. I don't really care that he wasn't Chinese, but him not having his goofy power rings only to be replaced by glowing dude bothered me.
I don't mind Aztec Namor, as long as he's a petty butthole.
Hulk is a lame as frick character, which is why most of his iconic stories use him as an antagonist or Space Conan.
>Hulk is a lame as frick character
You lost me here and proved how little you know about the character
I mean I never liked the guy, but he was a pretty big character in early FF and Defenders, so yes I do care.
Those shorts aren't short enough an I don't like the beard
They're pretty short though
You've been making threads complaining about Namor's casting for weeks. Give it up.
Looks pretty bad
Daniel Dae Kim would have been a better choice if they had to make Namor a “POC”, he looks East Asian already.
i would've gone with asian Namor.
That's the closest best idea for his appearance
>i would've gone with asian Namor.
Why not make him Japanese? Japan being an island nation means they're heavily intertwined with the sea, fangirls would love him being an ottermode bishounen, and he could be xenophobic arrogant and haughty without lib-dem SJW types complaining because they believe “East Asians basically have white privilege already”.
>Why not make him Japanese?
Anon...
Because it's not called Pacifis.
>Manlet namor
Talk about monkeys paw
>Altantis
>as in Atlantic Ocean
>Asians
I know Namor has jet black straight hair and a fair skin but that's moronic.
Dude is a Manlet. They'll have to get dwarf women to make him seem tall.
None of you kids have any idea how movies are made. You probably think the Hobbits were actually three feet tall.
>Looks pretty bad
>He says, purposely choosing a shitty pic for comparison
Wow!
>handosomest injun gets mogged by overweight old man Zeus
IT'S OVER
I actually really don't mind it, and I'm a devot Aryanist.
They had to go for something more exotic like Ultimate Namor, as the Momoa Aquaman movies already portray a Euro/Greek/Roman styled Atlantis. Namor's traditional Atlantis would have been too similar visually.
Also as the Latino market is their one untapped ethnic franchise (blacks/Africans for BP, East Asians for Shang Chi, South Asians for Ms Marvel).
So it was gonna have to be Latino or Polynesian themed (again they can't use Polynesian due to Momoa being that tho).
Because Aquaman already came out and made a shitload of money. They figure they've got to do something different to avoid being called a ripoff.
They're trying to pander. It's backfiring hilariouslly.
It's amazing how everyone on this board is determined to predict every single movie will fail. You guys think TITANIC was a flop.
Big revelation. Let that sink in
>It's backfiring hilariouslly
He says, with no proof whatsoever
Probably to avoid legal problems with universal
They needed to make it more diverse, I think they are going the route of making him the son of Chilchiuhtlicue and having him fight Cipactli the sea monster, honestly Aztec mythology has a lot to work with and since they made Aquamam a Pacific Islander they probably had to compete
That's going to be a tall order. Setting aside the race thing, they got the suit right, and Momoa did a reluctant king thing well. And Amber was a total smokeshow, setting aside her personal issues. MCU Namor... is just utterly utterly shit.
ok pajeet.
>brown skinned
>named Arthur Curry
Who writes this shit?
Mamoa's race and overall appearance is a lot to set aside, and the costume was in the back few minutes of the movie, and Mamoa played "Arthur Curry" as the dude who wants to do 2 chicks at once from Office Space.
But that's YOUR company, so you don't ask for anything like consistency.
Because we need diversity, specially if it comes from european myths.
You arent a racist, arent you, anon?
We have had tens of movies with white nonjas, white samurais and scarlett johanson as an asian girl
Namor is a villain so this fits him perfectly. I can already picture him ripping out the heart of a person that already surrendered. Blood for the Sun god n stuff.
I don't like all these changes. I dunno why people on Twitter always get so excited for the changes.
Twitter hates whites and loves hecking cute and valid PoC
does this mean that the conflict between wakanda and atlantis wont be a significant plot point
without namor looking caucasian, it no longer serves a real-world political purpose for them to fight each other
>does this mean that the conflict between wakanda and atlantis wont be a significant plot point
>without namor looking caucasian, it no longer serves a real-world political purpose for them to fight each other
It’s going to be “a conflict of misunderstanding“ and then it’s revealed that a (European coded) third faction who are “the real bad guys” is making Wakanda and Atlantis fight each other.
Inb4 it’s Latveria and Doom
honestly doom is the only character where it truly doesn't matter what his race is, as long as his personality is unchanged
since he shouldnt be taking the mask off for any significant period
and if they get his personality right, it will be clear that his loyalties are all centered around himself
Isn't doom a gyppo anyway?
I seriously doubt they will go in that direction
to avoid hurting the european market
>character whose entirey backstory is rooted in European, gyppos and all
>"his race doesn't matter"
What the frick are you people even smoking?
Why do you keep reposting this? Ultimate Namor was Egyptian, which fits more, and he was still an 11/10 UberChad, while also having a totally different origin. MCU "Namor" is literally an OC played by an ugly manlet.
Aww yisss. Way to go, Doom.
>it no longer serves a real-world political purpose for them to fight each other
It never did. Now it's Jaguar vs Panther.
Atlantis isn't real and thus can't be adapted, you moron.
look up REAL flooded/lost cities or the design choices for that other Atlantis Disney movie.
>Asgard isn't real and thus can't be adapted, you moron
>Gotham city isn't real and thus can't be adapted, you moron
>Metropolis isn't real and thus can't be adapted, you moron
My guess is theyre going for a mayan setting, that pic is aztec and even there is heavily centered around water, mayans were even more mysterious and they lived (and fricking dissapeared) by the atlantic ocean.
its like none of you watched the atlantis movie, that one also had some sort of caribean inspiration.
>El Dorado is also a legendary lost city with mesoamerican imagery
I'm beginning to see a connection here.
MCU Namor would frick Chel all day long.
they better show the Aztecs flaying women and children alive then eating them or drowning babies for a good harvest I swear to god if they try to soften up the image of how savage and brutal their religion was
It's likely going to go for a PG-13 rating rather than historical accuracy anon.
Yeah dude, that's a thing they'll be including for sure. You should really consult on these films.
Well, you'd also have to show Captain America invading Mid-East countries to take their oil, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process.
>Atlantis isn't real
Is dis homie for real?
More real than Atlantis, Oz, Neverland and Santa's workshop, for sure.
Atlantis is part of the Greek myths and it was located behind the Pillars of Hercules, it should be adapted as a South European and not related to Mayans, that should have their own shit in the MCU, they had a great chance to introduce all this crap with America Chavez instead of Namor.
>it was located behind the Pillars of Hercules, it should be adapted as a South European
The pillars of Hercules are the Cape of Gibraltar, situating Atlantis (unsurprisingly) somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, not in the Mediterranean Sea. Europeans only discovered the Azores in the 15th century. The Greeks saw it as a foreign land so making it Ancient Greek doesn't really make sense. Also notable that most depictions of Atlantis in pop culture (Disney's, Aquaman, Namor) are sunken cities, whereas the Greek myth stops at the city sinking in the first place. None of the merman shit is from Greek myth, myth Atlanteans were humans who lived on an island and had cool automatons (like in Age of Mythology), they weren't unda da sea. Pretty sure that shit was popularized by 19th century or so sci-fi.
And Chavez is an alien from another dimension, not a Mexican.
idk if I want to discuss cryptogeography and ancient mythos with you, Atlantis was, most likely Cadiz or Isla de León, and Atlanteans ancient Tartessos
> from around the end of the millennium there are indications that the name Tartessos had fallen out of use and the city may have been lost to flooding
Atlantis was most likely a fricking invention, hence "cryptography" and the hyper advanced technology for the time. Thinking it was an actual place is some 19th century cope.
What about Troy?
Troy was a real city, now thoroughly excavated and well documented. Homer's ILIAD was fiction, of course, possibly inspired by vague oral traditions of old wars.
Real but different from the myth.
Atlantis was invented by Plato, that's common knowledge. it was indeed 19th Century crackpots who first thought it had been real (along with belief in the Hollow Earth, Mu and Lemuria and Counter-Earth on the opposite side of the Sun.)
Gotta give it to those crackpots though, they built a good basis for some 20th and 21st century fiction. That's at least one thing the craziest theories are good for.
You're right, they are very entertaining. Pulp writers like Edgar Rice Burroughs and Clark Ashton Smith drew heavily on the wilder theories. I'm still fond of the Hollow Earth where all the dinosaurs went.
They even used that in the recent Godzilla vs Kong movie. I wonder what will be the coolest crackpot theories of our era in hindsight, I'm sure it's not just different flavors of secret societies controlling the world.
One thing ion defense of 19th Century crackpots was that they had more leeway as less was known back then. You could reasonably make a case for life on Mars building canals. Today's screwball theories just seem less appealing, they're mostly just paranoia explanations for life being unfair.
I heard the guy who was the biggest proponent of canals on Mars (Percival Lowell) actually saw them because of an eye condition he had, though I'm not sure to what extent that's true rather than a fun parable.
>they're mostly just paranoia explanations for life being unfair
True, but I'm sure there's some more exotic stuff if you dig around.
It's funny that everyone is carrying a phone with a built in camera but good photos of UFOs, Bigfoot, Mothman etc are getting rarer. Kind of disappointing, if you ask me.
Eh, you can do more believable stuff with contemporary CG than the moronic eyewitness accounts of Mothman or the blurry dude in a Bigfoot costume stepping over a branch from back in the day, it's just that people are now really used to fake shit so they're less likely to just blindly buy it.
There's still some mysterious cattle mutilation around and shit like that.
That's an interesting point. If someone uploads really nice footage of some cryptid, the natural response would be to say what a nice job they did faking it.
There really were no Greek myths about Atlantis. Plato invented it as a political allegory, pittting it against an Athens that supposedly existed thousands of years earlier as well. He didn't think anyone would believe it really had existed.
1. Atlantis is an island far west of Europe
2. It's navigable to a large continent bordering the ocean west of the Mediterranean
3. They aren't European, Asian, or Egyptian
Plato describes Atlantis:
Written in 360 BC, Plato introduced Atlantis in Timaeus:
For it is related in our records how once upon a time your State stayed the course of a mighty host, which, starting from a distant point in the Atlantic ocean, was insolently advancing to attack the whole of Europe, and Asia to boot. For the ocean there was at that time navigable; for in front of the mouth which you Greeks call, as you say, 'the pillars of Heracles,' there lay an island which was larger than Libya and Asia together; and it was possible for the travelers of that time to cross from it to the other islands, and from the islands to the whole of the continent over against them which encompasses that veritable ocean. For all that we have here, lying within the mouth of which we speak, is evidently a haven having a narrow entrance; but that yonder is a real ocean, and the land surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest sense, a continent. Now in this island of Atlantis there existed a confederation of kings, of great and marvelous power, which held sway over all the island, and over many other islands also and parts of the continent.
Plato invented Atlantis for a political allegory, That's not immutable holy writ, movies and books have placed Atlantis all over the hemisphere.
As far as I recall, in Marvel comics, Atlantis was a sorcerous world power that sunk due to the Darkhold and in the process all its people died. Then some weird fish people just took over the city later and called themselves Atlanteans. To my memory, modern Atlanteans have no explanation for the longest time, they just showed up, set up shop, and started acting like the world owed them favors.
>before pic related existed all there was there was a lake with a small island and a hungry eagle
i'd say atlatis as an aztec lost civilization is an interesting concept. shame is gonna be wasted on a moronic creatively bankrupt mcu movie.
The meteorite in the Gulf of Mexico.
tbh there's really no logical explaination for Doom to like Namor beyond editorial forcing the two together due to being FF villains and monarchs. Doom barely tolerates geniuses that are a step bellow him. Meanwhile Namor's a complete dimwit who lusts after a married woman, something that contradicts Doom's code of honour, has no real grand plans and is more of a nuisance than anything. Hickman's bit where he daydreams about chocking him to death makes more sense. My HC is that he keeps him around as a useful headstrong tank who's easily manipulated.
and, ya know, people just like having friends who are kind of equal to them, maybe just a little below them
Doom talks a big game but he definitely has some real humanity in there
But Namor's not equal or even a little bit bellow him; he's literally bellow him. Doom being quasi-friends with Stark, Strange and Richards works with him as a tsundere who doesn't want to admit he enjoys their company. But Namor is such an arrogant shithead without being able to back it up that it boggles my mind everytime they share a supposed "bromance". Doom's a cultured supergenius and Namor's a surface-hating overcompensating moron. What would they even have to talk about beyond forced "kingly" nonsense? Not to mention that with Doom's conquering nature he'd see Namor as an affront. Doom took his throne from the undeserving, whereas Namor was just born in it and literally made nothing of it during his tenure. Doom has more in common with, dunno, Brian Braddock than Namor.
As a diehard Doomgay I never liked it and preferred the ones I mentioned above. The Camelot Trilogy and Triumph & Torment alone win it.
I think you're kind of right, but think about the situation. Namor has physical power, I forget where he is on the scale but I know he's at least as strong as spiderman. He holds power by force, and is definitely not a peer of other world leaders. He operates outside their approval, just like Doom. Realistically how many people are going to fit that general profile?
Namor is like Doom's work buddy
I do agree that they are not actually friends in Doom's mind.
Sure, there's some base similarity but at the same time the differences are so striking that realistically with Doom's established characterization, he should find them adding more fuel to his distaste of Namor. Doom sees himself as an Aristocrat, but in a more Aristotelian sense. Namor's a royal who fails on every metric as a leader and even then that's where the similarities end. To Doom's eyes he'd be a hothead brute with unearned arrogance chasing after a married woman. Doom's arrogant, but he backs ti up. He's mastered science and magic, he's a philosopher and an artist. Namor is... strong and bipolar.
I never liked the friendship and always found it forced. I get the base reason for it, but I don't like it.
at this point in time Doom was brain damaged
When was Doom ever not brain damaged?
Wryly enough, that picture was from a story in FF# 9 where that's Doom possessing Reed's body.
What point? You mean the Cabal one-shot during Dark Reign? Eh, I guess with the timescale it fits but I see nothing wrong with him disliking Namor or wanting to chain Emma Frost to his dungeon.
At least he got an invitation for his wedding
>who lusts after a married woman, something that contradicts Doom's code of honour
Uh, did you read Secret Wars?
also there's no "u" in "color," "honor," or "armor"
Gaaaaaaaay
NTR imagery
Might actually look decent without the ridiculous nose piercing and earrings. But they decided to go full moron with it.
Wasn't enough to have an environmentalists anti hero?
Marvel comics Atlantis never really had it's own identity other than "underwater city" and the MCU needs to do something to separate their Atlanteans from Aquaman's who have a neat oceanpunk thing going on.
Plus you almost never see Aztec aesthetic in fantasy, it's almost all medieval European stuff with some ancient Greek or Egyptian if they've already done that and ancient Chinese if it's martial arts themed, shit they even already did African fantasy aesthetic. It's a fresh look and Aztecs had the unhinged human sacrifice blood warrior thing so it fits an intimidating hothead violent King like Namor.
This is why I like the change, Aztec inspiration is something interesting and rarely used.
Aztec Namor is awesome.
shame about Chadwick and Doom not being in the movie. I want my three Kings.
Aquaman looks boring now.
Which way fishbros?
Whoever water chick you pick it seems you are getting physically abused
MCU is visually richer.
and blue feet.
Why is the MCU so insistent on covering women's navels
Aside from muh norities, Atlantis ackshully being the Americas used to be a popular pop history take. Also to differentiate him from Aquaman who already got a popular adaptation, and apparently to enhance his rivalry with Wakanda (panther vs jaguar).
Do you think there will be a refugee sub plot
>Namor is white
He's a self hating mutt that would rather side with blue homies
apparently people think Atlantis is a real country.
eew
Because Aquaman did well despite all odds.
to make Black Panther for mexican americans as well.
As a latino this shit piss me off to no end
>Mutt complex
>NAMORgayS BTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Because Dc has Atlantis run by Aquaman. They should have had Namor come from the Lost Continent of Mu.
Making him mesoamerican makes the winged ankles look kind of silly now, since before the whole thing of the atlanteans having a greco roman aesthetic meant that they were a reference to hermes.
Nah,.Bill Everett created Namor with the winged ankles back in 1939. No Greek or Roman ties until the mid-1960s. In the same way, the Sub-Mariner empire wasn't called Atlantis until the 1960s.
Imagine if they went Full Aztec with some young Antonio Banderas looking fricker. Every housewife in america would be thirsting at the bit and it'd be one of the most looked forwards to movies of the decade.
>full Aztec with a Spaniard
Yes because they are interchangeable and Spaniards are more handsome.
Then they aren't interchangeable are they.
And yet for the purpose of film spaniards play mexicans all the time and vice versa.
That's different, there's lots of Mexicans who are basically 100% Spanish genetically. And I'd like to hear even one instance of a Mexican playing a Spaniard.
Aztecs and other Mesoamericans, obviously, had no Spanish blood.
Anon, there's Mexicans who are 100% Germans. "Mexican" doesn't mean shit. It's like saying "American" means pure WASP. Christ..
It'd be reasonable to assume they mean "the average Mexican" or "the typical Mexican" and go with that,.
But we're talking about a fantasy Mesoamerican, not the average fricking modern Mexican.
The studio wants to sell tickets to the average fricking modern Mexican, so they want someone cast that the average fricking modern Mexican will like. But at the same time, they want to be able to use Mesoamerican design elements as they choose while not being tied down to documentary style authenticity. Sounds like a good plan.
The average modern Mexican wants to see swarthy handsome latinos like Banderas or Lalo from BCS not the darkest motherfricker you can drag out of the wilderness.
Yes, because some Mexicans nowadays are actually white (or mostly white). But Aztecs were not white in anyway, if this Namor is supposed to be Aztec it would make zero sense for him to be played be a Spaniard.
Black person they're an entirely different race. Spaniards are Euros, Aztecs are Native Americans, literally brown Asiatics. What the frick do they put into American water?
>Look up actor
>he was the brownest person on the screen in that moronic Forever Purge movie.
This is a joke
is Aztec/Mayan culture even sea related?
This is about a fictional fantasy empire loosely related to the Mesoamerican cultures. They can take as much leeway as they like.
White women like big hispanic wiener.
bumping so this gay doesn't make another thrad
Race pandering worked for them with the first Black Panther so they are trying it again.
It's fricking obvious, everyone in this thread is fricking dumb.
The MCU will be marked as the place where actors demand not to look like the original version
Because MCU staff don’t read comics.
Namor has so much rich and colorful lore and characters that you could use, more so than Aquaman. He has a great WW2 run, a really solid and expansive Silver Age run, and a shit ton of offshoot stories, all with plenty to work with.
I guarantee they’ll buttfrick it all into the dirt.
>Why is MCU Namor Aztec?
To distinguish him from DCs fishman actor who is played by a mixed white and polynesian man.