Why is "old good new bad" such a widely accepted sentiment with cartoon fans?
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Why is "old good new bad" such a widely accepted sentiment with cartoon fans?
Why is "old good new bad" such a widely accepted sentiment with cartoon fans?
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Because cartoons today are more cheaply made than they've ever been and made with 0 effort or creativity. Even Hanna-Barbera cartoons of the 70s were better.
>because [proves OP's point in the dumbest way possible]
In fairness, Ed Edd and Eddy and Courage were way worse compared to everything else Cartoon Network was airing at the time. They just hold up well now because they're just better than all the new crap.
So you think mike Lu and og time squad and robot jones were better (I agree Johnny bravo some of the ppg and early dexter were though)
>Because cartoons today are more cheaply made than they've ever been and made with 0 effort or creativity.
This.
Also gif related people use to trash on this show when it was first released.
I still trash on this show because it goes against the point of Buzz's storyline from the first movie just to make a cashgrab spinoff. People couldn't shut the FRICK up about that when the 2022 movie released but it's fine when their childhood cartoon did the same?
>t goes against the point of Buzz's storyline from the first movie just to make a cashgrab spinoff
Why?
He wasn't a real space ranger, that was the point. You could say the show was fun, but it was fundamentally about ignoring a crucial part of his character
>He wasn't a real space ranger, that was the point.
Do you think Buzz Lightyear of Star Command is about the Buzz from the movies? The one that is an action figure?
Every episodes starts with the 3D action-figure version from the movies coming to watch the 2D cartoon on a TV with Andy's other toys. It's like Woody's delight at learning more about the puppet show he's based on in the second movie.
It's an actual "this is the show that made Andy want the toy" thing that the Lightyear movie supposedly wanted to do (probably just markting lies).
You're a goddamn moron
>filename
>negative iq
Every single time.
Because "new" writers are fricking hacks that couldn't write a grocery bill without trying to ham it into some kind of political manifesto for online clout, and they only have their job because of nepotism. None of them have actual vision or talent.
While I agree in general, the shitty bait threads are always posted by obvious esl iToddlers. This could actually be a genuine thread.
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. It'll make you look back and believe that the previous days were better than today when in reality those days weren't all that good.
>looks back
>Gargoyles and BTAS, Transformers, classic Simpsons
>looks to today
>TTG, beanmouth shit, Family Guy, Zombie Simpsons
Nah, cartoons were better back then. Clearly better.
Transformers were boring episodic 80s dogshit mired in tropes and cliches older than you though with mega stilted animation. Even for BTAS and Gargoyles, I'd say modern cartoons are less tropey and formulaic.
I watched Gargoyles for the first time and it was great even in the context of modern cartoons, but was still surprised to see the "reading can be cool" and "guns are bad" episodes. Wonder if there's any more I'm forgetting where the whole point is to deliver some cheesy moral
>muh bean meme
Don’t forget the current age gave us Velma.
Everyone is trying to forget it. It didn't even need to be brought up. Just mentioning Steven Universe in a positivie connotation is a deathblow to any claims of taste or quality.
It appears my superiority has caused some controversy
The real problem is that they studios are catering to the exact same generation. No one is aiming to make something for kids anymore. They want the hipster mid 20s audience.
>1992 show, 1995 show, 1986 show
Yeah the past looks great when you cherrypick shows from a 20 year wide period and pretend they were all on side by side. Then compare them to everything made in a single year 2022.
When overwhelming majority of the crap that came out in 1986 was absolute dogshit with like one or two gems, that were still fricking terrible to watch if you were not a huge fan of the toys.
>Then compare them to everything made in a single year 2022.
homie, people still bring up Steven Universe when talking about modern dreck and that show's a decade old.
The last 10 years especially have been full of SU-tier trash.
I picked 1994 because of the Spider-man cartoon. Let's see what else was on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animated_television_series_of_1994
AH! Real Monsters, Aladdin, Battletech (I like big robots), Bump in the Night, Conan and the Young Adventurers (I honestly don't know much about this one, probably sucked), The Critic, Duckman, Gargoyles, Highlander, Magic School Bus, Reboot, Skeleton Warriors, Space Ghost, Spider-man, Street Sharks, The Tick,
...
Was 1994 just an exceptional year?
Someone else do other 90's years, I need to go to the bathroom.
I like how they think family guy and old simpson didnt have an overlap
Classic simpsons ended in 1997-98. Family guy started in 1999.
>what are reruns
>cherrypicking
The people praising Filmation He-Man and She-Ra as masterpieces when the new iterations were coming out floored me. The new stuff is far from perfect, but still
Which new iterations? Because current Teela Power Hour and Happy Lesbian Show sucked ass in terms of writing and design. So did 80's He/She. Only the 2000's series was good. And I'm saying this as someone who grew up with the 80's series.
The ones that you mentioned, the point is that posters retroactively made the 80s cartoons out to be quality shows as part of the negative responses to the new ones. The same thing probably happened when 02 He-Man came out, and it happens routinely every time new TMNT stuff releases
Same issue there really. morons with bad taste. Early 2000's TMNT is still the best one. Again, I grew up with 80's TMNT. Rose tinted goggles shitters need to be viciously mocked. New things can be good, but in current cartoons, there is very little that is any good.
No, TMNT: Operation Blueline is the best one and the others are a bunch of poopy assmunches
Personally I suppose it pays to have bad taste, since it means getting to enjoy a wider variety of things. Grew up with 03 TMNT but still enjoyed the hell out of Rise and MM
It's not like liking bad things retroactively erases old stuff
Definitely fair to compare an adult cartoon to kids cartoons.
Because it's true. Better studios were used in older cartoons. There was more fluidity of movement, more shading.
BTAS has a ton of stilted moments and animation frickups, even getting one studio fired. Yes yes post your Clayface gif all you want, the entire show wasn't animated like that.
See
Sorry bro, you lost. Hard. Imagine growing up with shit like TTG and fricking Steven Universe. Absolute fricking trash.
FROM MY POINT OF VIEW IT IS YOU WHO LOST HARD!
From all points of view. Go on moron, post what you think surpasses any of the mentioned shows in modern era.
Beast Wars, moron. It's clearly 90's shows there.
Almost Naked Animals is better than any of your precious 90s cartoons. I win, you lose.
>if I shitpost, that means I win
I accept your kneeling because you can't even name a single non-shit show.
>I accept your kneeling because you can't even name a single non-shit show, and also I piss blood.
Wow anon, its weird that you would mention that. Do you wanna talk about it?
You still have yet to name just one show again. Your concession is noted and your crying is mocked. Contribute or accept you are a wiener sucking failure who can't even argue about children's cartoons properly.
Famous cartoon creator, Tex Avery, here and I agree with the anons in this thread that cartoons are better than they've ever been before. The 90s was a dark era for animation, but the 2010s were the true golden age, and I think they're better than anything I've made.
Thank you Tex Avery-Chan. Your wisdom has shown me the error of my ways and I now see that cartoons were terrible until the 2010s
You dumb Black person. If it was Tex, he wouldn't be Anonymous!
That's what he wants you to think
Because it's true
I can't wait for ten years to pass and for people to say that cartoons of today suck compared to classics like Amphibia and Infinity Train. Its gonna be awesome.
NO one is going to know what infinity train is and I'm pretty sure didney won't be around in ten years.
And if it ys, people will be deeply embarrassed that they watched amphibia
Sorry, but in ten years you're going to be looking back at today and think that these were the good old days.
Saying this doesn’t make it true. The few examples you posted were the outliers back then. The vast majority of people outside of gays and those involved with making them hate modern cartoons.
>Saying this doesn’t make it true
Yes it does
Well I say it isn’t so it isn’t. No blitz.
Well I say that you say it isn't so, that means I win and you owe me ten Chuck E. Cheese tokens.
I'm embarrassed that I watched frogshit already.
He's right about Ed Edd and Eddy. Frick that overrated slop.
>p-people have opinions?? ONLINE??? AND THEY DID THIS BEFORE I WAS POSTING?????????????
How many more times are people going to "discover" this?
>EEnE when it was first released
Cartoons today are worse than they were in the 70s.
Cartoons have been infected by people who place message and social justice behind the scenes above quality of product.
Modern cartoons are just genuinely less impressive.
Because it's 90% nostalgia
>MY childhood everything was perfect!!!!
based. They cannot get over how they assumed everything was good and perfect when they were younger.
A combination of bigotry and nostalgia based naivety.
Like, there's a surprising number of people that act like racism didn't exist in the 90s simply because they remember the planeteers looking diverse, despite that being the decade of the LA race riots.
Pretty much. 90s kids say that people were nicer back then while also forgetting that Columbine happened, and school shootings aren’t very nice
And as a decade the 90s was generally characterized by misanthropic apathy. It's why Daria only really works within the context of that decade.
It's the same argument moralists and religious types like to float around. They pretend everything was good and great and there was no immorality at all, everyone was a perfect religious and there was no sinning of any kind....not like today!
Pretty much. Its just like how people would complain that video games were the cause of violence in our society and then pretend that there was absolutely no violence before that.
The other side of that are the people who always want to pretend the whole Civil rights, womens rights, right to vote stuff happened 20 years before This Current Year in the endless sliding time scale of hatred. And that black people would be lynched if they went into the wrong McDonalds in 2002 and not 1962. And that no woman was allowed to get a job outside of teaching elementary school in 2005.
I wonder if they were also exagerating before.
Depends, which answer best fits your political beliefs and biases?
Talk about a strawman.
I mean...you're talking about my parents generation. Not even grandparents. So yeah that has some merit.
It's genuinely true now, at least back then there was variety so if you didn't like a certain cartoon you could just watch something else. But now every cartoon caters to the numale audience so if you don't fit into that demographic there's nothing for you to watch.
Because it's objectively true.
All of human history has always, and will always, just be a slow march to the bottom.
>tfw I can't name any current good cartoon
That's not cartoons, it's everything. People don't make an effort to remember the old stuff that was shit, so the default state of pretty much anything is that older stuff (that hasn't been forgotten) is on average a lot better than new stuff.
By that logic i guess Superfriends is a better show than Justice League because the former is older
Old isn’t inherently better, but we’re currently going through a Dark Age of Animation where anything made before the current era is likely to be better.
is the dark age in the room with us right now?
yes, unironically
Tbh even though a large part of cartoons were pretty shit in the prior decades at least you had something to take pride in, There were cartoons for all the demographics. Nowadays other 1 or 2 examples like primal there is barely anything interesting. Stuff that is revered nowadays like gravity falls is extremely mediocre for someone like me and the characters/humor is something that I get bored of halfway through.
>Nowadays other 1 or 2 examples like primal there is barely anything interesting. Stuff that is revered nowadays like gravity falls is extremely mediocre for someone like me and the characters/humor is something that I get bored of halfway through.
why are you speaking for people/generation you never grew up with though?
I still think the Gen Xers/older millennials who take pride in slop like Jem/Heman/Tformers/Gi Joe are still pathetic
It’s a very juvenile sentiment shared by all fandoms, and it’s directly tied to people’s general inability to understand that when you’re new to something everything looks amazing but the more you consume content the less special it becomes. Ans inevitably there comes a point where you will not easily get the same kind of kick from it like you used to. Then there’s the fact that you always had a very narrow sample size of what was actually being put out and most of the stuff you remember and liked usually was the most popular kind. And when you can’t understand this as well as the fact that most content will always be mediocre, people mistakenly think everything new is bad but old stuff is good. It’s basically empty nostalgia over media made in your formative years and people being unable to look at things objectively and see that a lot of content they used to love and haven’t revisited in ages probably sucked too and hasn’t aged well.
>It’s basically empty nostalgia over media made in your formative years
I remember growing up with 2000s anime and thinking it was the hottest shit ever. Wonder what older fans who've been consuming the medium for far longer thought of that at the time?
They thought it was crap compared to 90s anime. Naruto threads used to get autobanned on Cinemaphile.
>Naruto threads used to get autobanned on Cinemaphile.
for no valid reason
>Wonder what older fans who've been consuming the medium for far longer thought of that at the time?
homies crying about how theres less gratitous sex/gore/cyberpunk/action and how its digital and not cel
If you grew up on 2000s anime because shit like Eva/Bebop/DBZ are 90s
In the U.S., "90s anime" extended until 2003-2004 because of the delay in English dubs. DBZ lasted until 03-04 as did Kenshin, weekday Toonami, Sailor moon, Yu yu hakusho. 2004-2005 was when "00s anime" properly started in the States with the One piece and Naruto dubs.
I always associate “old anime fans” with series like the GITS movie, akira, mazinger, aatro boy and those crappy b-list ovas
Cause most of the new shit is soulless.
The Y2K era (1997-2004) was the last kino era for movies, music, TV, vidya, anime, etc. and then everything started to get bad around 2005.
Because it is closer to old bad new bad in reality thoughever.