I take it you didn't watch it and just want to be a weird christoautist
Like, it's not good, but it answers your moronic questions
Also she always says "BUT THESE ARE HUMAN SOULS!1!!".
So?
These souls are bad.
They don't like her, don't worship her, don't have redeeming qualities.
Is Dick Master really a bad guy?
She doesn't always say that. She says "these are my people"
You're a brainwashed Republicuck if you don't think people can change regardless of where they are in their lives.
Likewise, the system of heaven and hell created by the bible is inherently flawed because you just have to live a life of virtue in the mortal realm, then you can just sin without restraint after you get into heaven.
Also she always says "BUT THESE ARE HUMAN SOULS!1!!".
So?
These souls are bad.
They don't like her, don't worship her, don't have redeeming qualities.
Is Dick Master really a bad guy?
>believe and do what we say or experience pain forever
Oh but when I try to do it, fuggin courts gotta get thier panties in a bunch. Goddam Democrats....
Choice is a factor, but considering Heaven itself has no idea what actually gets you into Salvation and that actual decent folk (and literal children) are stuck in Hell regardless, it basically comes down to "not being one HUNDRED percent a dick is OK"
Muh kids is not a valid excuse
There are legit fricked up children in history who have done outright horrid things
this series is cursed i saw visions of the hazbin demons and angels but it all felt so wrong. they must be hylics or real creatures because i was too scared to move. they stared at me creepily and when i woke up i saw things misplaced. i live alone so i didn't do that IM SCARED OF DYING HELP
Me and the apocalypse bros are going to give Viziepop hell until she converts before June 2024. Honestly I don't know what that means but it's not a threat.
Pic unrelated, random image I found.
So, in the context of this series, does that mean, that humans have ability to choose?
So, they chose to act in certain way and deserved their punishment?
Why is Charlie trying to save cannibals, rapists, killers, those, who wronged good people?
Choice is a factor, but considering Heaven itself has no idea what actually gets you into Salvation and that actual decent folk (and literal children) are stuck in Hell regardless, it basically comes down to "not being one HUNDRED percent a dick is OK"
Cause vivzie slop is a shitty person who writes a shitty show made up of. Shitty characters for her shitty fanbase populated by shitty people. >Simple as that
>Because no sin warrants eternal punishment, nor does any guilt warrant oblivion.
according to 21st century western humanism
now, if I had to choose between Gods will and the will of some gay who cries because he cant stick his dick up another guys bum, who do you think would the average person choose? And what makes you think the gay is in any way justified saying "Thats wrong for me to go to hell" when literally fricking God said the opposite.
>the hope and love of God that Christ represents can and will be taken from you once you cross a specific line that can be arbitrarily defined by the eye of the beholder
A conditional offer of salvation is no offer at all. What point is there declaring God loves everyone up until He doesn't?
>God loves everyone up until He doesn't?
Nobody but jaded medieval cynics have claimed such a thing, the whole point of religion and God is to give you something to hope and strive for. If you don't follow God's laws or keep his rules then God isn't giving up on you, (You) are giving up on and turning your back on him. God doesn't send you to hell, he wants you in heaven with him but he gave us free will to choose to do so willingly and before you ask why it's because he didn't want to create a whole new generation of angels, he already has plenty and the best part? That's the reason that old snake is so butthurt over us getting into heaven because God is going to place us higher than the angels because of all the shit we had to go through here on earth.
God is good man.
I wish morons would stop referring to Dante's Inferno when talking about biblical hell which is not in anyway mentioned to be fire and ash. morons also fail to get that if you live your life knowingly doing wrong, don't be mad when you die and face the consequences.
I never said it didn't mouthbreather. Thing is you're supposed to earn redemption BEFORE you die. Then you have moronic fedora who think they have a GOTCHA because He'll exists despite God's love when Hell is merely separation from God. It's not torture like morons think, that's Dante's Inferno
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>BEFORE you die
Free will exists. That's literally the whole point. Jesus saves everyone who wants to be saved, even Satan can be saved literally.
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>Free Will exists
Yes
>Jesus saves everyone who wa to to be saved
Yes
>Even Satan can be saved
Satan has no desire to be saved, that's kind of his sctick.
You're still missing the part that salvation is to be earned before death, once you die it's a done deal.
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>Satan has no desire to be saved, that's kind of his sctick.
Yes but free will exist and Satan will be saved. Forgiveness exist for everyone.
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Yes forgiveness exists when you're alive. Not when you're dead. You are to be right with God before you die
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No, only after Judgment Day will there be a final bus stop. Before the the Second Coming, everyone can be saved.
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Ah a catholic cuck
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>to be earned before death
Earned? People literally say sorry before death bad and go to heaven back in the time.
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That's not how it works moron. You have to repent and genuinely mean it because God is all knowing which means he knows when you're not being genuine. You can't commit murder then simply say "God forgive me" because that's not how it works.
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Protestant church says nuh uh. moron.
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>You're still missing the part that salvation is to be earned before death, once you die it's a done deal.
Completely false and heretical. Salvation is a free gift given to all, there is nothing you can do to avoid it.
>get born >live a good life >go out of your way to help people less fortunate or who just need someone to listen for a while >be as pious and virtuous as you can possibly be in this life >never even once heard the name of some radical rabbi from Galilee who claimed to be the Son of God >wind up missing out on eternal bliss because of a cosmic technicality
So where does the love and justice part come into play, exactly?
The path of the righteous. You shouldn't have eaten an apple and argued with Lilith or even ask about a counterpart. At first the man brought it all upon himself.
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Yes, it's man's fault 6 year old kids get bone cancer. Of course, how silly of me to not place the blame squarely on the omnipotent being who brought such an ailment into existence. This is why your churches keep getting burned.
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>Yes, it's man's fault 6 year old kids get bone cancer.
>"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain.
>"If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."
I still remember when my professor in my college class of religious ideology told the story of the soldiers transporting the Ark, and when the cart it was on broke, one of the soldiers dove to catch the ark to stop it from hitting the ground and God struck him dead, and my response to his question, to the question, what do you think of God's action? >God's a Dick It was the only time the professor ever laughed for the class.
why the frick are you blaming God for something Eve, the first femoid did?
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Why? You believe your god created everything but also believe he can’t change it at a whim? Goes back to the kids with bone cancer. Why would I believe in a cruel, stupid god who creates something so horrible? The “muh apple” is just fundie cope for being completely unable to explain that leap of logic.
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Genesis is a cop off Pandoras box and male cope for women being the creators of humanity. A man's rib is obvious womb envy
See, what sola scriptura types don't get significant number of changes to the lore had to be made to get that to work. People always forget the old Hebrew religion was nationalist in nature (based on their history of getting fricked over) and the 'demons' (shedim) were the gods of the other religions and the 'wicked' usually meant "everyone but us".
This is why the Old Testament constantly has stuff that raises eyebrows, a lot of the morals in it only make sense in the old Hebrew culture. (See: Onan).
If you really wanna get into it, those old religions were almost always tied to politics. A lot of the story of Saul was pretty much entirely based around propaganda for the House of David, which is why Saul's behavior changes so radically between appearances.
In this regard, the early church and early Catholic church were basically necessary to making the Bible feel universal enough for Christianity to take off.
Here's a particularly good one, Jesus turns the water to wine. Historically wine was way weaker back then and because they didn't know how water purification worked, people drank it way more. However, also back then, it was common as hell that wedding receptions and other feasts were the socially acceptable time to drink for the sake of intoxication and this could last for days. This is why the "feasts" lasts multiple days in a lot of historical accounts including the Bible and other religious accounts.
Jesus refilling the wine to the extent he did was basically him giving the greenlight on letting everyone continue to get shitfaced when the wine running out was typically one of the things that simply signaled the ends of the festivities back then.
The fact that you think the Marriage of Cana story is about getting drunk shows you've completely misunderstood the story. According to John's account, Jesus used the ceremonial washing vessels used to make one ritually clean before eating. His transformation of the water in them into wine represents the transformation from living by the Law with all its rituals and commandments to living by Grace through faith alone. The Law cannot bring salvation, only Grace.
Anon, that doesn't cancel out what I said >When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now."
You see this? Wine wasn't as strong back then so it was customary to bring it out more and more as the night went on because again, it was customary to get drunk at a wedding party for merriments sake, you brought the bad wine out when they were already good and drunk so they'd be less able to tell. Regardless of the symbolism of the act, Jesus would not have done this unless he condoned the practice because it fundamentally wasn't a sin and was downright tradition to get at least a bit drunk at a wedding or festive event like that.
Angel Dust's only sins were having sex and doing drugs. Husk was just a gambler. They really only hurt themselves. Do they really deserve an eternity of torment, just for that? Hypothetically, should a single mother face eternal damnation for shoplifting baby formula from a billion dollar corporation? One of the fundamental premises of the show is that the rules of who goes to heaven or hell are arbitrary to the point nobody even knows how it all works. They sang, like, three songs about it.
Since Hellborn don't know anything else it's okay for them to be there. They would probably hate being in heaven. It's like if you took a random Indian and brought him to a wealthy part of NYC.
hellborn are not exterminated and they are different type of creatures.
Angel Dust's only sins were having sex and doing drugs. Husk was just a gambler. They really only hurt themselves. Do they really deserve an eternity of torment, just for that? Hypothetically, should a single mother face eternal damnation for shoplifting baby formula from a billion dollar corporation? One of the fundamental premises of the show is that the rules of who goes to heaven or hell are arbitrary to the point nobody even knows how it all works. They sang, like, three songs about it.
We don't know their full stories. Do you know what he did to get those drugs. Husk is literally an ex overlord of hell, you don't get that high by just gambling.
We actually don't know what any of the characters did while alive that got them sent to hell. Angel previously had a mob backstory (its not clear if he's kept it). Earlier online gossip implied that suicide could get you sent to hell. Husk no doubt took advantage of others, at least in hell and probably while alive, some the labels in "loser,baby" include fraud, swindler, grifter and cheat. You could argue the very nature of running a casino is immoral especially if you didn't have rules in place that stopped idiots from losing everything.
Angel was in the fricking mafia. Alastor was a serial killer. I assume hazbin requires you to have actually done something fricked and not transgress ancient israelitedoo doodoo "no buttsex or shellfish" nonsense
“Pfft, dumbasses just had to not sin, how hard could that be? They got what was coming to them”
-anon who is roughly 30-60 years away from being sentenced to eternal damnation for jerking off to the wrong things
my take its that they have all lived long enough and both sides should be ok with getting killed. I doubt heaven has endless space so they likely have people fade into the void from contentment, their own gas chambers or something. Afterlife is a scam
My question is how the frick hell is full? Like literally in all forms of text that all 7 rings of hell are essentially boundless or equal to that of heaven itself which has its own 7 rings itself called the 7 heavens.
My question is how the frick hell is full? Like literally in all forms of text that all 7 rings of hell are essentially boundless or equal to that of heaven itself which has its own 7 rings itself called the 7 heavens.
Buts even more dumb because what happened if some is more greedy than prideful,or lustful,or wraithful,etc. Don't you think that's a bit of an oversight?
The show literally confirms that don't know why people go to heaven and he'll. The angels don't ask and don't care. There's no proof that anybody in hell or heaven behaved a certain way in their human life to earn where they are. That's the whole point of Adam. He's a massive c**t. The textbook idea of a sinner but was literally the first person on heaven.
She is a loser trying to give her life meaning and let others fill the hole left by her mother and father. She is a 200 year old trust fund baby. prime "BLM" material
yeah but he has depression. I suspect Stolas and asmodeus could have done it too. Hell the fact you can use angel weapons to her them seemed like another open secret and some where even hording it so apathy and sinners where the root cause of their own problem
Lucifer stood on the sidelines and watched a select # of Angel's make earth & humans. We don't know who made "heaven" itself or even how the soul is weighed after death (I imagine it's like a pinball machine)
>So hell could have stopped the extermination at any time if anyone decided to try
and once again, they would've made it unnecesary if they just made the place infinite.
A few of us were talking in another thread about how Vivzie struggles with properly using the "rule of cool" and I think Angel's backstory might be an example. At the end of the day, the only effect it has on the show is giving him a reason to quadruple wield tommy guns, which is a rule of cool thing. But because its his whole backstory and he's supposed to be redeeming himself for what he did in life, rule of cool shouldn't apply and it cancels out the cool a bit.
Vivzie Hell just has this giant recurring problem that Cherri, Alastor, and Striker are the only characters who can properly follow the rule of cool.
To demonstrate this >Adam has a guitar axe
But >It doesn't shoot lasers or lightning when he plays it
Or >Helluva is about demon assassins
But >They don't have any cool or unique powers/weapons, that goes to the nobles/sins who don't even participate in the action parts except once to act as a deus ex machina because Vivzie wanted to undercut the highly trained demon hunters. Striker, a demon cowboy on a mechanical fire horse, kills people with these powers using pure assassin badassery but he's just here to job
Or >Awakened Charlie!
but >Hellboy but we took away all the cool shit, gave him wings and a generic pitchfork, and and made it so he sucked at throwing hands. Also her dad comes to save her, she shape shifts but not into anything eldritch or cool.
This is why the action is so forgettable here. It's never follows through on the cool shit that the show hypes up and sometimes just undercuts it. Vaggie vs Lute was fun because I went in knowing that fight was just gonna be a well choreographed smackdown but the majority of the finale battle felt like I was being blueballed while mocked about how all the cool shit was happening just off screen the second Alastor's barrier goes down
counterpoint: Inuyasha.
Made by a woman, for women, not the best action but still understood this principle. Introduce a human-sized boomerang made of demon bones or a guy with a black hole for a hand, then actually follow through on showing it doing cool shit
>Why is she trying to save sinners?
Because earth is hell, the prison of the fallen since genesis and until Christ there was no path back to rejoin the one from here. I swear you people are too dumb to pick up on the most basic b***h things in this show.
Viv is a moron that think lust is pure and wholesome while greed is always bad. She will never address the fact that Angel Dust was a gangster who helped murder people. Can you imagine seeing a guy who helped put your feet in a concrete block so you drown somewhere in heaven with you? Viv doesn't have the skills to write a nuanced redemption.
I mean, purgatory is supposed to be a state of being not an actual location so...I don't know maybe she just wants to propagate hope in the hopeless? I'm giving Viv too much credit of course but that what it seems like to me.
Purgatory isn't mentioned directly in the Bible but it is alluded to and based on the Judaica traditions of praying for the dead, why? To allow them entry onto heaven through forgiveness of sins.
One quick oogle search reveals 2 timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:11-25, and Hebrew 12:19.
I'm pretty sure Jesus himself mentioned praying for the dead at one point but I can't seem to find it
Purgatory isn't mentioned directly in the Bible but it is alluded to and based on the Judaica traditions of praying for the dead, why? To allow them entry onto heaven through forgiveness of sins.
One quick oogle search reveals 2 timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:11-25, and Hebrew 12:19.
I'm pretty sure Jesus himself mentioned praying for the dead at one point but I can't seem to find it
While true that Purgatory isn't in the Bible, neither are Heaven and Hell as we typically know them. Heaven is literally just "and once the final judgement happens, God turns Garden of Eden rules back on"
Hell is simply "if God is the source of all good and you continually deny Him, then he obliges and you're left without good, happiness, et cetera" while you wait for judgement.
Once again, historical context here, we pagan'd all over the Bible. Heaven and Hell were pretty new concepts by the time Jesus was around which is why you barely see anyone talk about Hell until he comes along, the israelites hadn't really worked out what it looked like, the lake of fire came from Egypt and a lot of the torture stuff we think of had just started to come in from Greece.
>the hope and love of God that Christ represents can and will be taken from you once you cross a specific line that can be arbitrarily defined by the eye of the beholder
A conditional offer of salvation is no offer at all. What point is there declaring God loves everyone up until He doesn't?
No, conditional salvation is infinitely better than the unconditional one. You're getting into a debate that Christian theologians have had for centuries and the "unconditional salvation" (TULIP/5 Pillars of Salvation in Calvinism) is fricking garbage because it leans so heavily into God's sovereignty/predestination to the point we're all just meat puppets that have already been selected or not selected for hell before birth. When you go with unconditional salvation, the conclusion is "double pre-destination", that those selected for hell were just destined for it anyway.
Again, Hell the way we know it is not Biblical at all. It's not "you were a bit of an butthole so now you burn", it's "you consistently decided to be an butthole instead of following any sense of guilt or remorse to allow yourself to be a better person so God will not waste his time with you."
The known world at the time of Christ was pretty small and Christianity had a pretty big appeal of being the only religion in the area of saying "Glory doesn't justify being a dick. Foreigners poor people, slaves, and women deserve to be treated with some human dignity for a change."
>Hell
In simple terms Hell is just the eternal separation between you and God, there's no torture or lake of fire involved you're just alone, cold, cold, and depressed forever. It's why hell is commonly called the second death.
The sinners aren't even really being punished by being sent to hell. They aren't being tortured, there's no demons picking their flesh away every day or casting them into pits of fire. Their only problem is that they are just forced to live with each other and they are genuinely bad people that have made their afterlife torture. Even the extermination only happens because Lucifer became so jaded living with them.
This. It is why I hate the idea of there being overlords in hell. Someone like Valentino should be forced to be Asmodeus's sex slave as an ironic punishment for a pimp. Why do sinners get to have any form of power? They should be treated as less than imps or hellhounds.
It's not hell of there aren't pedophiles, arsonists, child murders, Nazi(actual Nazi's), and other crimes of true irredeemability.
this is just another wanna be cartoonist who's using an anti-Christian backdrop, because she thinks edgy=funny and that she's going against establishment rules (even though Christianity hasn't been the establishment since the 2000's)
Because Hell in this setting is solely a metaphor of queer oppression under heteronormative patriarchy. Pretty gay, I know. Take it up with Viv if you don't like it.
why so I can be blocked and be told she takes inspiration from south park, even though south park is a thousand additives better and more edgy than she'll ever be.
East Asian countries haven't had the legacy of interacting poorly with each other as the 'schizo who tried gutting his kid' religions did. I shudder to think of what a Japanese attempt on Jerusalem would have looked like, considering what they did with cultures and peoples that resembled them.
You're making the opposite point of the question. That post is asking why people get mad about stuff like HH depicting Christianity in a "non-canon" way, not why it's okay to laugh at Jesus jokes. That's a complete non-sequitur.
Because the cartoon is heresy. I refuse to watch any media where the message is "God is the bad guy." I do like Evangelion but God is good there, even if we're initially tricked into believing NERV didn't damn humanity by creating life artificially.
i watched a Q&A with Doug Walker last night while falling asleep and someone asked him what he thought of Hazbin Hotel and his response was basically he thought it was good but not as good as Helluva Boss. i respect Doug Walker a little bit more after this opinion. Do you respect Doug Walker more or less for knowing that Helluva Boss mogs Hazbin Hotel?
So, the current best understanding for how to redeem a sinner is to have them do good things out of a genuine desire to be a better person, and then cap them in the back of the head and see if they went to heaven
pretty sure hazbin threads got banned by the mods since the season is over.
I can garuntee you there are at least a dozen threads that deserve to be deleted before the popular show with real discussion gets stigmatized instead.
She should have changed angles and offered up the suicidal and the true degenerates as a sacrifice to spare the rest. You can’t tell me hell wouldn’t be better off without Val or the cannibals. That would be win-win. Her redemption plan was always asinine. She got lucky that the esoteric operating system of their universe just so happened to align with what she was going for in a very specific circumstance.
So why does Charlie want to help? Sure there's the "My People!" thing but is that really it? Everyone around her is a dick and she seems to be too sheltered to have met with sinners who regret the things they did to end up there
I assume she grew up primarily in the Pride ring, so 'her people' primarily refers to sinners.
She does try to help Angel in that one scene, but yeah the Husk thing is a bit weird.
This wouldve been amazing if they expanded on this. Imagine Charlie having that self realization and goes through some sort of character arc
Because who is she really without the hotel?
The only thing that will make this dogshit show even remotely worth it, is Jesus making an appearance and Charlie getting a massive love boner for him.
She's got nothing to do with humans. She wants to advocate for unity through redemption, but the idea that both Heaven and Hell are extensions of a fundamentally mortal system that she was never part of would be completely demoralizing to her lonely ass.
Are heaven and hell even that functionally different in HH? I mean hell is red and is split into rings but otherwise for sinners they still get eternal life and the people in heaven are also turned into furries and both heaven and hell have their native beings. After stopping the exterminators Lucifer and Charlie could play judge dredd and lock away or kill all the cannibal rapists and have hell cleaned up in no time. Seems more productive than trying to get sinners into heaven.
Redemption, fool.
But why?
She haven't seen heaven.
Most importantly nobody in hell wants to go to heaven.
I take it you didn't watch it and just want to be a weird christoautist
Like, it's not good, but it answers your moronic questions
She doesn't always say that. She says "these are my people"
So frick off, bait tourist
she is unironically the child of an angel. it's not surprising she'd have some inherent want to guide people into heaven
>Jesus Christ.
Redemption
You're a brainwashed Republicuck if you don't think people can change regardless of where they are in their lives.
Likewise, the system of heaven and hell created by the bible is inherently flawed because you just have to live a life of virtue in the mortal realm, then you can just sin without restraint after you get into heaven.
why
Has anyone ever been redeemed? If not then it's probably impossible.
Why does she see sinners as "her people"? What lead her to thinking this?
Also she always says "BUT THESE ARE HUMAN SOULS!1!!".
So?
These souls are bad.
They don't like her, don't worship her, don't have redeeming qualities.
Is Dick Master really a bad guy?
Because people weren't born awful and if you can go one way, you can go the other
Original sin says yes they were born awful. Official church doctrine since the start states all people are born bad and automatically go to hell.
>believe and do what we say or experience pain forever
Oh but when I try to do it, fuggin courts gotta get thier panties in a bunch. Goddam Democrats....
>Original Sin says
And what did Jesus do on the cruficix, Anon? Sure you can tell the class what happened.
Children are fricking awful, and need to be taught how to behave by their parents.
How should they be corrected?
Muh kids is not a valid excuse
There are legit fricked up children in history who have done outright horrid things
>Vaggie lets that sinner child go
>sees him later in hell
>talk to him/ask about him
> turns out he did something kind of awful
Personally, I'd start exterminating again. I'd become the punisher of hell. Don't know why Lucifer didn't.
>Don't know why Lucifer didn't.
Redemption. Also Cain exist, Adam is fricked for life, because of this,
this series is cursed i saw visions of the hazbin demons and angels but it all felt so wrong. they must be hylics or real creatures because i was too scared to move. they stared at me creepily and when i woke up i saw things misplaced. i live alone so i didn't do that IM SCARED OF DYING HELP
Because if you killed someone in self defense you go to hell. So you should be allowed to redeem yourself.
Me and the apocalypse bros are going to give Viziepop hell until she converts before June 2024. Honestly I don't know what that means but it's not a threat.
Pic unrelated, random image I found.
what happens in June?
Probably the latest Qanon bullshit that gets proven to be a lie, but they'll still trust the plan because of sunken cost.
Daily reminder, Charlie's "people" deserved it.
So, in the context of this series, does that mean, that humans have ability to choose?
So, they chose to act in certain way and deserved their punishment?
Why is Charlie trying to save cannibals, rapists, killers, those, who wronged good people?
Choice is a factor, but considering Heaven itself has no idea what actually gets you into Salvation and that actual decent folk (and literal children) are stuck in Hell regardless, it basically comes down to "not being one HUNDRED percent a dick is OK"
you mean like in real life?
yeah bro but forever is like a long time.
Nah. Redemption is a thing. Or else everyone deserve it.
>Is she just artistic?
She definitely needs lessons, but she is trying.
I hope Alastor betrays her in the end, takes over hell, destroying her plans and corrupting heaven
>why can’t I hunt prisoners for sport
Because the space is limited
so you agree that extermination is the way out.
yes but is that the show lore?
snake guy?
Only for food.
Cause vivzie slop is a shitty person who writes a shitty show made up of. Shitty characters for her shitty fanbase populated by shitty people.
>Simple as that
>Is she just artistic?
Absolutely, her parents are also incredibly incompetent and autistic themselves.
Because no sin warrants eternal punishment, nor does any guilt warrant oblivion.
The wages of sin is death, anon.
>Because no sin warrants eternal punishment, nor does any guilt warrant oblivion.
according to 21st century western humanism
now, if I had to choose between Gods will and the will of some gay who cries because he cant stick his dick up another guys bum, who do you think would the average person choose? And what makes you think the gay is in any way justified saying "Thats wrong for me to go to hell" when literally fricking God said the opposite.
i think we'd say "eat shit fundie" which is really the secret message of the show
whatever do you mean by that
OPEN BORDERS FOR HEAVEN
>the flood
>Sodom
>Gomorrah
>killing the firstborn Egyptians
There's nothing wrong with punishing the wicked. God does it all the time.
This is for all the Adam fans
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>Christ came to grant redemption to everyone!
>NO WAIT NOT THOSE PEOPLE THEY'RE EWWW!!!
Shit or get off the fricking pot already, Christgays
>reject Christ's offer of eternal life in Heaven
>get pissy when sent to Hell
?????
>the hope and love of God that Christ represents can and will be taken from you once you cross a specific line that can be arbitrarily defined by the eye of the beholder
A conditional offer of salvation is no offer at all. What point is there declaring God loves everyone up until He doesn't?
>God loves everyone up until He doesn't?
Nobody but jaded medieval cynics have claimed such a thing, the whole point of religion and God is to give you something to hope and strive for. If you don't follow God's laws or keep his rules then God isn't giving up on you, (You) are giving up on and turning your back on him. God doesn't send you to hell, he wants you in heaven with him but he gave us free will to choose to do so willingly and before you ask why it's because he didn't want to create a whole new generation of angels, he already has plenty and the best part? That's the reason that old snake is so butthurt over us getting into heaven because God is going to place us higher than the angels because of all the shit we had to go through here on earth.
God is good man.
I wish morons would stop referring to Dante's Inferno when talking about biblical hell which is not in anyway mentioned to be fire and ash. morons also fail to get that if you live your life knowingly doing wrong, don't be mad when you die and face the consequences.
>He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first.
Redemption exist.
I never said it didn't mouthbreather. Thing is you're supposed to earn redemption BEFORE you die. Then you have moronic fedora who think they have a GOTCHA because He'll exists despite God's love when Hell is merely separation from God. It's not torture like morons think, that's Dante's Inferno
>BEFORE you die
Free will exists. That's literally the whole point. Jesus saves everyone who wants to be saved, even Satan can be saved literally.
>Free Will exists
Yes
>Jesus saves everyone who wa to to be saved
Yes
>Even Satan can be saved
Satan has no desire to be saved, that's kind of his sctick.
You're still missing the part that salvation is to be earned before death, once you die it's a done deal.
>Satan has no desire to be saved, that's kind of his sctick.
Yes but free will exist and Satan will be saved. Forgiveness exist for everyone.
Yes forgiveness exists when you're alive. Not when you're dead. You are to be right with God before you die
No, only after Judgment Day will there be a final bus stop. Before the the Second Coming, everyone can be saved.
Ah a catholic cuck
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>to be earned before death
Earned? People literally say sorry before death bad and go to heaven back in the time.
That's not how it works moron. You have to repent and genuinely mean it because God is all knowing which means he knows when you're not being genuine. You can't commit murder then simply say "God forgive me" because that's not how it works.
Protestant church says nuh uh. moron.
>You're still missing the part that salvation is to be earned before death, once you die it's a done deal.
Completely false and heretical. Salvation is a free gift given to all, there is nothing you can do to avoid it.
>get born
>live a good life
>go out of your way to help people less fortunate or who just need someone to listen for a while
>be as pious and virtuous as you can possibly be in this life
>never even once heard the name of some radical rabbi from Galilee who claimed to be the Son of God
>wind up missing out on eternal bliss because of a cosmic technicality
So where does the love and justice part come into play, exactly?
If there is a God he's an butthole for making this reality as horrifying and randomly cruel as it is.
The path of the righteous. You shouldn't have eaten an apple and argued with Lilith or even ask about a counterpart. At first the man brought it all upon himself.
Yes, it's man's fault 6 year old kids get bone cancer. Of course, how silly of me to not place the blame squarely on the omnipotent being who brought such an ailment into existence. This is why your churches keep getting burned.
>Yes, it's man's fault 6 year old kids get bone cancer.
Should not have eaten that apple.
>"I was walking along the bank of a stream when I saw a mother otter with her cubs, a very endearing sight, I'm sure you'll agree. And even as I watched, the mother otter dived into the water and came up with a plump salmon, which she subdued and dragged onto a half submerged log. As she ate it, while of course it was still alive, the body split and I remember to this day the sweet pinkness of its roes as they spilled out, much to the delight of the baby otters, who scrambled over themselves to feed on the delicacy. One of nature's wonders, gentlemen. Mother and children dining upon mother and children. And that is when I first learned about evil. It is built into the very nature of the universe. Every world spins in pain.
>"If there is any kind of supreme being, I told myself, it is up to all of us to become his moral superior."
>Free will
I still remember when my professor in my college class of religious ideology told the story of the soldiers transporting the Ark, and when the cart it was on broke, one of the soldiers dove to catch the ark to stop it from hitting the ground and God struck him dead, and my response to his question, to the question, what do you think of God's action?
>God's a Dick
It was the only time the professor ever laughed for the class.
why the frick are you blaming God for something Eve, the first femoid did?
Why? You believe your god created everything but also believe he can’t change it at a whim? Goes back to the kids with bone cancer. Why would I believe in a cruel, stupid god who creates something so horrible? The “muh apple” is just fundie cope for being completely unable to explain that leap of logic.
Genesis is a cop off Pandoras box and male cope for women being the creators of humanity. A man's rib is obvious womb envy
>taking an old comedian's word on anything seriously because he swears a lot.
>not one swear in the image
>not one refutation of the statement
I feel so bad for cult deprogrammers.
Carlin is such a cynical butthole I got to wonder what keeps him living? im seriously if I was as cynical as him id off myself
Anon, George Carlin died almost 20 years ago.
well what kept him alive til old age?! Sheer spite?
According to his own words ( paraphrasing) he was an amused observer who wanted to see how it all ended.
Jesus literally went in hell to save sinners. What are you talking about? Jeez.
No
Proofs?
See, what sola scriptura types don't get significant number of changes to the lore had to be made to get that to work. People always forget the old Hebrew religion was nationalist in nature (based on their history of getting fricked over) and the 'demons' (shedim) were the gods of the other religions and the 'wicked' usually meant "everyone but us".
This is why the Old Testament constantly has stuff that raises eyebrows, a lot of the morals in it only make sense in the old Hebrew culture. (See: Onan).
If you really wanna get into it, those old religions were almost always tied to politics. A lot of the story of Saul was pretty much entirely based around propaganda for the House of David, which is why Saul's behavior changes so radically between appearances.
In this regard, the early church and early Catholic church were basically necessary to making the Bible feel universal enough for Christianity to take off.
Here's a particularly good one, Jesus turns the water to wine. Historically wine was way weaker back then and because they didn't know how water purification worked, people drank it way more. However, also back then, it was common as hell that wedding receptions and other feasts were the socially acceptable time to drink for the sake of intoxication and this could last for days. This is why the "feasts" lasts multiple days in a lot of historical accounts including the Bible and other religious accounts.
Jesus refilling the wine to the extent he did was basically him giving the greenlight on letting everyone continue to get shitfaced when the wine running out was typically one of the things that simply signaled the ends of the festivities back then.
The fact that you think the Marriage of Cana story is about getting drunk shows you've completely misunderstood the story. According to John's account, Jesus used the ceremonial washing vessels used to make one ritually clean before eating. His transformation of the water in them into wine represents the transformation from living by the Law with all its rituals and commandments to living by Grace through faith alone. The Law cannot bring salvation, only Grace.
Anon, that doesn't cancel out what I said
>When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now."
You see this? Wine wasn't as strong back then so it was customary to bring it out more and more as the night went on because again, it was customary to get drunk at a wedding party for merriments sake, you brought the bad wine out when they were already good and drunk so they'd be less able to tell. Regardless of the symbolism of the act, Jesus would not have done this unless he condoned the practice because it fundamentally wasn't a sin and was downright tradition to get at least a bit drunk at a wedding or festive event like that.
Angel Dust's only sins were having sex and doing drugs. Husk was just a gambler. They really only hurt themselves. Do they really deserve an eternity of torment, just for that? Hypothetically, should a single mother face eternal damnation for shoplifting baby formula from a billion dollar corporation? One of the fundamental premises of the show is that the rules of who goes to heaven or hell are arbitrary to the point nobody even knows how it all works. They sang, like, three songs about it.
Some people are also born in hell too
Since Hellborn don't know anything else it's okay for them to be there. They would probably hate being in heaven. It's like if you took a random Indian and brought him to a wealthy part of NYC.
hellborn are not exterminated and they are different type of creatures.
We don't know their full stories. Do you know what he did to get those drugs. Husk is literally an ex overlord of hell, you don't get that high by just gambling.
We actually don't know what any of the characters did while alive that got them sent to hell. Angel previously had a mob backstory (its not clear if he's kept it). Earlier online gossip implied that suicide could get you sent to hell. Husk no doubt took advantage of others, at least in hell and probably while alive, some the labels in "loser,baby" include fraud, swindler, grifter and cheat. You could argue the very nature of running a casino is immoral especially if you didn't have rules in place that stopped idiots from losing everything.
Angel was in the fricking mafia. Alastor was a serial killer. I assume hazbin requires you to have actually done something fricked and not transgress ancient israelitedoo doodoo "no buttsex or shellfish" nonsense
>Angel was in the fricking mafia. Alastor was a serial killer
none of that is in the show
It will be.
>It will be.
Source? You wouldn't just make shit up, right?
“Pfft, dumbasses just had to not sin, how hard could that be? They got what was coming to them”
-anon who is roughly 30-60 years away from being sentenced to eternal damnation for jerking off to the wrong things
my take its that they have all lived long enough and both sides should be ok with getting killed. I doubt heaven has endless space so they likely have people fade into the void from contentment, their own gas chambers or something. Afterlife is a scam
for jerking off period*
*for cumming outside a vegana period
The things I have seen on Cinemaphile on aco and trash have me unironically being pro-extermination. Hell is too good for some of you
i blew a huge load to maid marian today
felt really good tbh
Same
In the pilot she wanted to make her mom proud
In the show no reason at all, for the plot
The media illiterate strikes again.
I wonder why they flipped mom and dad roles after the pilot
My question is how the frick hell is full? Like literally in all forms of text that all 7 rings of hell are essentially boundless or equal to that of heaven itself which has its own 7 rings itself called the 7 heavens.
Sinners are only allowed in the pride ring of Hell.
any ring can be endless
shows lore wills it.
Buts even more dumb because what happened if some is more greedy than prideful,or lustful,or wraithful,etc. Don't you think that's a bit of an oversight?
It turns out that was the coverup to the real reason that wasn’t actually covered up
I can smell the unpleasant odor wafting from op's autistic ass as he thought he was being humorously ironic making this topic.
Because nevertheless she doesn't want to see them suffer. She's my favorite kind if character, the one that has boundless empathy.
Same. We need more nice girls instead of pessimistic nihilistic jerks or girl bosses.
The show literally confirms that don't know why people go to heaven and he'll. The angels don't ask and don't care. There's no proof that anybody in hell or heaven behaved a certain way in their human life to earn where they are. That's the whole point of Adam. He's a massive c**t. The textbook idea of a sinner but was literally the first person on heaven.
Chances are high that Charlie and Alastor will be in a political marriage before the end of the series.
She is a loser trying to give her life meaning and let others fill the hole left by her mother and father. She is a 200 year old trust fund baby. prime "BLM" material
>Lucifer shows up and beats Adam
So hell could have stopped the extermination at any time if anyone decided to try
yeah but he has depression. I suspect Stolas and asmodeus could have done it too. Hell the fact you can use angel weapons to her them seemed like another open secret and some where even hording it so apathy and sinners where the root cause of their own problem
He was only able to step in because Adam attacked somebody who wasn't a damn dirty sinner
Would God come down if he breaks the rules?
No. God didn't even create earth or humans in this version, we're not sure he actually exists.
Then why do the angels not know the rules of their own creation? Was not lucifer there for the creation?
Lucifer stood on the sidelines and watched a select # of Angel's make earth & humans. We don't know who made "heaven" itself or even how the soul is weighed after death (I imagine it's like a pinball machine)
>So hell could have stopped the extermination at any time if anyone decided to try
and once again, they would've made it unnecesary if they just made the place infinite.
kinda like real hell would be.
A few of us were talking in another thread about how Vivzie struggles with properly using the "rule of cool" and I think Angel's backstory might be an example. At the end of the day, the only effect it has on the show is giving him a reason to quadruple wield tommy guns, which is a rule of cool thing. But because its his whole backstory and he's supposed to be redeeming himself for what he did in life, rule of cool shouldn't apply and it cancels out the cool a bit.
Vivzie Hell just has this giant recurring problem that Cherri, Alastor, and Striker are the only characters who can properly follow the rule of cool.
To demonstrate this
>Adam has a guitar axe
But
>It doesn't shoot lasers or lightning when he plays it
Or
>Helluva is about demon assassins
But
>They don't have any cool or unique powers/weapons, that goes to the nobles/sins who don't even participate in the action parts except once to act as a deus ex machina because Vivzie wanted to undercut the highly trained demon hunters. Striker, a demon cowboy on a mechanical fire horse, kills people with these powers using pure assassin badassery but he's just here to job
Or
>Awakened Charlie!
but
>Hellboy but we took away all the cool shit, gave him wings and a generic pitchfork, and and made it so he sucked at throwing hands. Also her dad comes to save her, she shape shifts but not into anything eldritch or cool.
This is why the action is so forgettable here. It's never follows through on the cool shit that the show hypes up and sometimes just undercuts it. Vaggie vs Lute was fun because I went in knowing that fight was just gonna be a well choreographed smackdown but the majority of the finale battle felt like I was being blueballed while mocked about how all the cool shit was happening just off screen the second Alastor's barrier goes down
Simple answer: Woman creator
counterpoint: Inuyasha.
Made by a woman, for women, not the best action but still understood this principle. Introduce a human-sized boomerang made of demon bones or a guy with a black hole for a hand, then actually follow through on showing it doing cool shit
Not to mention said woman was the 2nd richest person in Japan.
>Why is she trying to save sinners?
Because earth is hell, the prison of the fallen since genesis and until Christ there was no path back to rejoin the one from here. I swear you people are too dumb to pick up on the most basic b***h things in this show.
Viv is a moron that think lust is pure and wholesome while greed is always bad. She will never address the fact that Angel Dust was a gangster who helped murder people. Can you imagine seeing a guy who helped put your feet in a concrete block so you drown somewhere in heaven with you? Viv doesn't have the skills to write a nuanced redemption.
I mean, purgatory is supposed to be a state of being not an actual location so...I don't know maybe she just wants to propagate hope in the hopeless? I'm giving Viv too much credit of course but that what it seems like to me.
Purgatory isn't in the Bible
Purgatory isn't mentioned directly in the Bible but it is alluded to and based on the Judaica traditions of praying for the dead, why? To allow them entry onto heaven through forgiveness of sins.
One quick oogle search reveals 2 timothy 1:18, Matthew 12:32, 1 Corinthians 3:11-25, and Hebrew 12:19.
I'm pretty sure Jesus himself mentioned praying for the dead at one point but I can't seem to find it
>One quick oogle
Yeah I know. Not one quick theology degree from a non-Catholic seminary.
While true that Purgatory isn't in the Bible, neither are Heaven and Hell as we typically know them. Heaven is literally just "and once the final judgement happens, God turns Garden of Eden rules back on"
Hell is simply "if God is the source of all good and you continually deny Him, then he obliges and you're left without good, happiness, et cetera" while you wait for judgement.
Once again, historical context here, we pagan'd all over the Bible. Heaven and Hell were pretty new concepts by the time Jesus was around which is why you barely see anyone talk about Hell until he comes along, the israelites hadn't really worked out what it looked like, the lake of fire came from Egypt and a lot of the torture stuff we think of had just started to come in from Greece.
No, conditional salvation is infinitely better than the unconditional one. You're getting into a debate that Christian theologians have had for centuries and the "unconditional salvation" (TULIP/5 Pillars of Salvation in Calvinism) is fricking garbage because it leans so heavily into God's sovereignty/predestination to the point we're all just meat puppets that have already been selected or not selected for hell before birth. When you go with unconditional salvation, the conclusion is "double pre-destination", that those selected for hell were just destined for it anyway.
Again, Hell the way we know it is not Biblical at all. It's not "you were a bit of an butthole so now you burn", it's "you consistently decided to be an butthole instead of following any sense of guilt or remorse to allow yourself to be a better person so God will not waste his time with you."
The known world at the time of Christ was pretty small and Christianity had a pretty big appeal of being the only religion in the area of saying "Glory doesn't justify being a dick. Foreigners poor people, slaves, and women deserve to be treated with some human dignity for a change."
>Hell
In simple terms Hell is just the eternal separation between you and God, there's no torture or lake of fire involved you're just alone, cold, cold, and depressed forever. It's why hell is commonly called the second death.
The sinners aren't even really being punished by being sent to hell. They aren't being tortured, there's no demons picking their flesh away every day or casting them into pits of fire. Their only problem is that they are just forced to live with each other and they are genuinely bad people that have made their afterlife torture. Even the extermination only happens because Lucifer became so jaded living with them.
This. It is why I hate the idea of there being overlords in hell. Someone like Valentino should be forced to be Asmodeus's sex slave as an ironic punishment for a pimp. Why do sinners get to have any form of power? They should be treated as less than imps or hellhounds.
>artistic
Yeah I mean she sings and dances I guess that's an artistic form of expression.
It's not hell of there aren't pedophiles, arsonists, child murders, Nazi(actual Nazi's), and other crimes of true irredeemability.
this is just another wanna be cartoonist who's using an anti-Christian backdrop, because she thinks edgy=funny and that she's going against establishment rules (even though Christianity hasn't been the establishment since the 2000's)
Because Hell in this setting is solely a metaphor of queer oppression under heteronormative patriarchy. Pretty gay, I know. Take it up with Viv if you don't like it.
why so I can be blocked and be told she takes inspiration from south park, even though south park is a thousand additives better and more edgy than she'll ever be.
Why do people sperg out when you "misrepresent" Christianity but don't do the same for any other religion
There were some poo in the loos that got butthurt over a jrpg misrepresenting Krishna.
Other religions aren't featured in much media.
Because muddying the truth is obviously more consequential and controversial than muddying a lie
Christianity's the only religion you can make fun of.
if you misrepresent Islam they literally try to kill you, what are you talking about?
>make Jesus joke
>people laugh
>make Mohammed joke
>literally get beheaded
Gee, I wonder why, anon?
Muslims will go to hell.
hopefully
Nobody b***hes about shit like SMT or Castlevania playing fast and loose with various mythologies and religions
East Asian countries haven't had the legacy of interacting poorly with each other as the 'schizo who tried gutting his kid' religions did. I shudder to think of what a Japanese attempt on Jerusalem would have looked like, considering what they did with cultures and peoples that resembled them.
That was poorly worded. I meant interacting poorly with the Middle East.
You really don't think East Asia can be as fricked up as anyone else?
They use those mythologies in a way that is fun.
You're making the opposite point of the question. That post is asking why people get mad about stuff like HH depicting Christianity in a "non-canon" way, not why it's okay to laugh at Jesus jokes. That's a complete non-sequitur.
Because the cartoon is heresy. I refuse to watch any media where the message is "God is the bad guy." I do like Evangelion but God is good there, even if we're initially tricked into believing NERV didn't damn humanity by creating life artificially.
You didn't get the point, original sin exist. Charlie is just a doing Jesus work.
>Charlie is just a doing Jesus work.
>Adam was the only one who redeemed a sinner by exterminating Sir Pentious
Apologize to the Dickmaster.
Jesus>Adam. Check and mate.
>gets his ass kicked and killed by one eyed goblin
>well actually that was my plan all along and I am jebus the savor
Hazbin hotel is a church in the Hell reference. Obviosly.
Why is this show so popular in Korea, China, and Japan?
i watched a Q&A with Doug Walker last night while falling asleep and someone asked him what he thought of Hazbin Hotel and his response was basically he thought it was good but not as good as Helluva Boss. i respect Doug Walker a little bit more after this opinion. Do you respect Doug Walker more or less for knowing that Helluva Boss mogs Hazbin Hotel?
HB wins easily if we're just comparing the first season but I feel it'll get dethroned
let me stop your right there save us all precious time...
This party's getting crazy!
IT WAS ALL FOR MY SIR PENTIOUS! THE ONLY GOOD SINNER!
>he will never get that Cherry Bombussy
HE SUFFERS ETERNALLY IN HEAVEN
Season 2 will revolve around getting Cherry into Heaven, not because she actually deserves it, but because Pentious does.
So, the current best understanding for how to redeem a sinner is to have them do good things out of a genuine desire to be a better person, and then cap them in the back of the head and see if they went to heaven
I want Alastor to suck Charlie's boobs
Go back to /trash/.
>go on a board for cartoons and comics
>someone posts a cartoon
>I dont like it though
pretty sure hazbin threads got banned by the mods since the season is over.
This one will probably get nuked like the last one then, Hazbin threads are always the same shit anyway.
I can garuntee you there are at least a dozen threads that deserve to be deleted before the popular show with real discussion gets stigmatized instead.
She is a rich girl with no problems looking for problems to solve. Affluent neglect.
She should have changed angles and offered up the suicidal and the true degenerates as a sacrifice to spare the rest. You can’t tell me hell wouldn’t be better off without Val or the cannibals. That would be win-win. Her redemption plan was always asinine. She got lucky that the esoteric operating system of their universe just so happened to align with what she was going for in a very specific circumstance.
So why does Charlie want to help? Sure there's the "My People!" thing but is that really it? Everyone around her is a dick and she seems to be too sheltered to have met with sinners who regret the things they did to end up there
out for LOOOOUGHUGHG
I assume she grew up primarily in the Pride ring, so 'her people' primarily refers to sinners.
She does try to help Angel in that one scene, but yeah the Husk thing is a bit weird.
your opinion is what comes of trying to force helluva boss' universe into the HH story. They don't work together and never were meant to.
I want to torture beelzebub by shoving over-sized Q-tips into her body by various means
My 200 year old wife.
When will Alastor stab Loona's pregnant body with rusty scissors
>In real life Viv's father and mother are rich
Source
She was born into money, anon. It's the only way she got ahead of all the other safe-edgy aspiring artists with spindly OCs from her generation.
So you don't have any proof
That's just an assumption.
This wouldve been amazing if they expanded on this. Imagine Charlie having that self realization and goes through some sort of character arc
Because who is she really without the hotel?
The only thing that will make this dogshit show even remotely worth it, is Jesus making an appearance and Charlie getting a massive love boner for him.
Lol, Charlie is Jesus in the show. You didn't figure that out?
She's got nothing to do with humans. She wants to advocate for unity through redemption, but the idea that both Heaven and Hell are extensions of a fundamentally mortal system that she was never part of would be completely demoralizing to her lonely ass.
I mean that sweet nice teacher can be redeem
Hell is forever, sinner.
Are heaven and hell even that functionally different in HH? I mean hell is red and is split into rings but otherwise for sinners they still get eternal life and the people in heaven are also turned into furries and both heaven and hell have their native beings. After stopping the exterminators Lucifer and Charlie could play judge dredd and lock away or kill all the cannibal rapists and have hell cleaned up in no time. Seems more productive than trying to get sinners into heaven.