Why is there such a lack of reality in Western fantasy?
Even what is called "dark fantasy" is glorified and does not depict real people and their history.
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Why is there such a lack of reality in Western fantasy?
>Fantasy
>Lack of Reality
I think you’re looking for something in the wrong places
If It's fantasy you can do whatever you want?
God no wander It's so fricking boring and Berserk is the best fantasy ever made
best dark fantasy sure.
best fantasy is lord of the rings. he'll if it wasn't for tolkien berserk wouldn't exist
>if it wasn't for tolkien berserk wouldn't exist
What does that have to do with the quality of either of them? If it wasn't for Lord Dunsany, Lord of the Rings would not exist. Does that mean Dunsany's short stories are better than Tolkien? (I mean, one might argue they are, but that is besides the point.)
>lord of the rings
Best medieval fantasy sure. The best fantasy is the Odyssey. Hell if it wasn't for Homer, LoTR wouldn't exist.
>Odyssey
Best age of heroes fantasy sure. The best fantasy is the Epic of Gilgamesh. Hell, if it wasn't for Ur, the Odyssey wouldn't exist.
>If It's fantasy you can do whatever you want?
Yes
Your kin is insufferable. It only had 4 good arcs.
>why is FANTASY not realistic
Wow idk, moron
>real people and their history
What would you know about any of that, you cringe ass manchild?
I don’t understand what you mean. Berserk does not reflect real people either, no fantasy series does, it’s fricking fantasy.
If you mean fantasy that incorporates elements from actual history….did you somehow miss Game of Thrones?
It’s true that most “grounded” fantasy is found in games and books, but I think that’s due to film and tv creators wanting to use the visual medium to depict more fantastical elements combined with studios wanting to play it safe and not have the darker stuff.
But you do have: Dragonslayer, Pan’s Labrynth, Green Knight, Excalibur…
>Pan’s Labrynth, Green Knight
Dogshit.
I wasn’t commenting on their quality, moron, just their existence
Berserk does not depict real history in the way you describe. It does reflect the author's strong interest in European history but it isn't any more reflective of real events than any Western fiction. If you're asking why Western dark fantasy isn't as brutal as Berserk, it's because Western norms are based on Christianity and Berserk doesn't exactly align with that. And like this anon said, nobody is gonna take a risk on something like Berserk here. Maybe in 20+ years we will start to see crazier stuff. But I wouldn't hold my breath. The West cannot create anything anymore without moralizing about the oppressor/victim. There won't be a Berserk because the idea of Guts, a man that wants to kill Griffith for his own "selfish" reasons, cannot be a protagonist. All of our protagonists have to be out to save the masses of helpless from their masters.
>Western dark fantasy isn't as brutal as Berserk
Read Kane books by Wagner. Amazing stuff.
>The West cannot create anything anymore without moralizing about the oppressor/victim
that's almost everyone now, except in the East it mostly comes through psychotic power fantasies.
Available technology is only one aspect of history. Asians were doing stuff like this only 300 years ago, some more recently than that, whereas the west has been trying to domesticate itself for almost 1000 years. For whatever reason, whites don't have the same mentality of eternal repose -- the logical conclusion of christianity was to retake the holy land. When people showed they weren't truly committed to doing so, western civilization shifted its goals toward a more perfect human realm, not one of firm beliefs and permanent truths.
What does OP think he knows about reality?
OP be like
>I've seen bad nasty gore video on liveleak, now I know what the world is like
No i just want see staff like this in my medieval fantasy
isn't that just flesh and blood/excalibur
Frick off, coomtard.
Maybe you’d be better reading a history book instead, nerd.
literally all politics and popular discourse and media since renaissence have been about ruining medieval age reputation
This. "Dark Ages" is a moronic meme.
>collapse of commerce, safety, and institutions of learning in Western Europe following the dissolution of the Roman Emprie and prior to the widespread adoption of Roman Catholic administrative structures
'Dark Ages' describes the period perfectly and you're a mindbroken moron if you think there's a conspiracy to be had
Henry VIII burning monasteries with hundreds of thousands of books in the 16th century and leaving entires centuries without wirtten record doesnt mean it went dark for the people living there.
In fact the population boomed during the middle ages as hundreds of little towns appeared while during roman times it was more centralized with empty land between their villas.
Henry VIII came hundreds of year after the "Dark Ages" ended, you absolute history pleb.
NTA but you're buying into the "Dark Ages" meme. You're the fricking pleb.
Tell me how it's a israeli conspiracy to besmirch the based and trad Christian middle ages you absolute fricking mongoloid
Watch the video posted earlier.
Articulate your own arguments instead of posting YouTube videos, you moronic brown zoomie.
I'm white and I'm more intelligent than you. Also, you're not worth my time and effort.
>Roman Empire and the stability it provides is gone
>no more mass continental trade
>no more great works of engineering
>major cities and population centers become depopulated as people flee for rural areas with access to food, where they aren't sitting ducks for raiders
It's a perfectly fine way to describe the regression and stagnation in Western Europe for the second half of the first millennium. You're just a moronic ape.
Continues foreign invasions caused that, it wasnt because they turned christian wich is what the dark ages meme implies.
>they turned christian wich is what the dark ages meme implies.
It's emphatically not, so you can stow your Christian persecution complex. In fact it was the Roman catholic church that preserved Roman administrative structures following its collapse, and the adoption of Christianity by many rulers is partially what helped to break the period of stagnation, by making administration of a more modern state possible.
The 'Dark Ages' wasn't confined to the British Isles.
the dark ages name started in britain and it was mostly caused by not understanding that the lack of info came because monasteries had been burned.
And yes, le dark ages implies christians at faul when it was muslims killing mediterranean commerce as well as northern barbarians killing the whole coast of northern europe.
Basically they turned every commercial route into a battlefield wich of corse caused a collapse.
But its not like rome wasnt artificial, it depended on egyptian grain to keep its large population, a downfall was inevitable.
>the dark ages name started in britain and it was mostly caused by not understanding that the lack of info came because monasteries had been burned.
It was actually attributed to a Renaissance era Italian. So you're already wrong.
>And yes, le dark ages implies christians at faul
There's not a single respected historian you will claim this, as I said before, it was Catholicism and Orthodox Christianity that was largely responsible for pulling the region out of this era. You've gotten your understanding from other morons on an anime website.
>But its not like rome wasnt artificial, it depended on egyptian grain to keep its large population, a downfall was inevitable.
Thats every city thats ever existed. If you think exporting food to your empires capital city dooms it to failure, then I'm afraid you don't actually know what you're talking about. Read a book instead of getting your history takes from the schizos here.
Of course he did, you literally didnt understand what I mean, they call it dark ages cause they didnt have many written records in britain after the romans but thats because Henry the VIII literally burned the monasteries wich had the information.
you could argue the middle ages were the LEAST violent times in the history of Western Europe, nothing from those 100 years comes close to the slaughter that happened during the Thirty Years War or the World Wars
most violence came from outside invaders, even the Hundred Years War wasn't as brutal as the English Civil War
yeah, many people talk about religion wars and monarchs being authoritarian but that came after the middle ages, also all those memes about prima nocta wich were nothing but cuck fantasies.
And many toture devices were medical or just plain made up.
>many people talk about religion wars and monarchs being authoritarian but that came after the middle ages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Crusades
It's a long list throughout the high middle ages both within and outside of Europe.
>you could argue the middle ages were the LEAST violent times in the history of Western Europe
Maybe if you're moronic.
no its true, people werent even drafted and battles had maybe 200 soldiers per side
The Middle Ages didn’t have as much organized large-scale massacres like the early modern did, but it was still pretty shit. Petty family blood feuds that dragged on for generations, endemic low-intensity warfare between squabbling nobles, not to mention just general murder and violence was through the roof. There was no such thing as dedicated law enforcement or investigators or anything like that - order was maintained by the local watch which was made up of people fulfilling their service obligations and by professional men-at-arms in service to the local lord or church.
It wasn’t all doom and gloom, but mideval europe was basically just appalachians with divine right
Wf you talking about?
Got?
Witcher?
If you go into books there are countless who mix the nitty gritty of real medieval life to modern life with fantasy tropes. It’s you being terribly ignorant
>tfw no realistic executions in fantasy video games
They're not even doing fantasy executions. It's always beheading. And not even with a sword.
Because Braveheart set the trend that the Middle Ages were the mud ages and everything was shit and brown and made of sticks and that trend has persisted for 30 years so we have generations of people who think realistic depictions of the Middle Ages are shitty and grim and boring. Older movies didn’t have this problem:
%3D
Fantasy also falls into the trap, especially in the past 15-20 years, if having its characters be basically totally modern in their outlooks but with the trappings of a mideval setting which is just ridiculous.
Tl;dr postmodern brain rot
When the lumberjacks finally caught the brigands, they didn't wait for a judge, jury or executioner to find them out deep in the forest. They simply did what they how to do well. And the matter was settled.
No phones, just people living in the moment.
For some reason I like physical media only when it comes to comics/manga (and some traditional books although I honestly usually use ebooks anyway). I've got all these Berserk Deluxe editions which look awesome inside of a closet with a door on it that I never open because why would I if it's easier and less damaging to read comics/manga on a screen and I have already read what I have anyway? It's so weird and I haven't bought any comics or manga in quite some time, but it's weird that I have this consumerist bug to have nice looking editions on my shelves for really no reason at all. It's not like I have nerds over who would be impressed by it anyway, I keep that shit hidden.
Buying DVDs or Blu Rays? No fricking way, that's stupid. Oh a nice omnibus edition of some comic book nobody cares about? Here's my money!
lame
Berserk/wh babies are so cringe.