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They actually put effort into making Jaime a good character in his own right.
wow shills really are always to first to reply.
The correct answer is that Blue Beetle is a nobody, Spider-Man is one if not the most iconic super hero character in the world.
Cope Slott
I like how they drew Miles like the ugly mutt he is
>people like good comics and dont like shit comics
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A lot of the complaints aimed at Miles are full on schizo nonsense, but Jaime was well-written and well-executed, and was not born of a creator outright admitting that he was looking for any excuse to kill off a beloved character explicitly so he could replace him with a minority character. It's really that simple.
Sony did Miles better in the Spider-Verse movies than Marvel has in any of his comic runs. I'm not too sure about Jamie but watching Batman: Brave and Bold made me like the character. I have to watch his movie sometime soon
No they didn’t anon, they just got lucky hiring a writing staff that made the exact same movie before on TOP of it being third times the charm on making a spider movie nothing but set ups for spin offs at the cost of peter Parker (Spider-Man 3 AND the amazing movies)
Brave and the Bold was a good adapation of him, but his original comic run is even better. His New 52 stuff was fricking garbage and I have no idea if they've recovered since because I'm fed up with DC
Didn't he accidentally kill his friend in the New 52 run? Or at least one of them he did
They killed Paco immediately, I don't remember if they had him do it or it just happened as a crossfire thing but it was moronic I remember that
>but Jaime [...] was not born of a creator outright admitting that he was looking for any excuse to kill off a beloved character explicitly so he could replace him with a minority character
Unfortunately, that's kind of wrong. Didio explicitly said he had a meeting with the writers around Infinite Crisis and asked around for nominations for a niche but well-liked character to kill and replace in the event. They landed on Ted because "they all had ideas for things to do with him and so killing him would be a real loss, as intended".
Doesn't take away that once the event passed, Jaime was indeed well-written and well-executed, being careful to make him his own thing, while also linking him in continuity and themes with both Ted and Dan, and treated them both with respect and admiration. And his book was fun and interesting, which is the most important thing.
That's still different anon.
>editorial wants to kill someone in this event and replace them, who can we use?
And then people brainstorm what would make sense and how to do it right is different from
>Yeah I really wanted to make a black Spider-Man so I figured I have to kill Peter to do that, so I was looking for a chance to do it for months
One is writers coming up with a good way to pull off a specific story beat that was asked for, the other is a writer deciding to get rid of a character not because of anything to do with that character, but because he wants to write a specific new character as a vanity project.
I don't even hate Miles as a concept, and I've enjoyed some of his post-Bendis stuff and his movies/game version, but the way Bendis went about introducing him was about the worst kind of dogshit that really kicked off long running trend of deciding on a minority you want to introduce, then picking an established character to replace unceremoniously.
>One is writers coming up with a good way to pull off a specific story beat that was asked for, the other is a writer deciding to get rid of a character not because of anything to do with that character, but because he wants to write a specific new character as a vanity project.
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>I don't even hate Miles as a concept, and I've enjoyed some of his post-Bendis stuff and his movies/game version, but the way Bendis went about introducing him was about the worst kind of dogshit that really kicked off long running trend of deciding on a minority you want to introduce, then picking an established character to replace unceremoniously.
It's almost like bendis is an utterly trash writer and person. Wow.
I don't even know who top are
Cause Jaime isn't just Ted but latino
Because Ted wasn’t specifically killed off like a b***h by the creator of Jaimie. He’s also had good comic runs since his inception which miles has never had
>specifically killed off like a b***h by the creator of Jaimie
1st
Bendis made Ultimate Peter and Miles
2nd
Peter died fricking up the Sinister Six on his front lawn and killing Norman
I don't like how things ended up with Miles either but those parts of your post are just flat out wrong
Ultimate Peter is just a retread of Amazing Peter, Bendis didn't create shit, and he specifically wrote the death storyline specifically so he could introduce Miles
Ted died in one of the most moronic events and then got upstaged by a literal who that could make use of the power that he never could.
Jamie did being his own better but its a reach to say he doesn't have his own portions of being original+.
The other awkward part is that Ted isn’t even the first blue beetle. I wonder if Ditko ever talked about reusing the name.
Pete died getting whooped by a problem his CREATORS said he was good enough to deal with 50 years prior anon. Then he came back like the b***h bendis made him to tell miles that he was truly the ONLY Spider-Man that ever mattered. And now he’s just some dead b***h in a forgotten universe miles owns, so enjoy your bendis tosh I suppose
>then got upstaged by a literal who that could make use of the power that he never could
this is a moronic take on what happened, Ted never used the scarab at all, after the original Blue Beetle got magic powers from it, the scarab is throughline between the three version, so revealing/retconning in the scarab's new origin as a reason for Jaime to become the Blue Beetle and be a different kind of hero from both of his predecessors makes perfect sense and doesn't shit on either of them in any way. Dan got magic powers from le mysterious artifact, Ted was a gadgets and grit crime fighter who invented a bunch of shit and got by without any powers, and Jaime got the previously-believed-magic artifact fused to his spine and discovered it was ayylmaos the whole time.
That's a far cry from "I also got bit by a spider that gave me Spider-Man powers but also I got more powers because my spider was better lmao. Also I am a genius just like the other Spider-Man so he doesn't even get the tinkerer leg-up on me."
Miles can be a good character, I just think the poor guy gets shit writers a lot. Which, honestly speaking, Marvel rarely has competent writers. Which is probably why Jamie is more well-liked since DC knows how to handle characters
Miles was created to do and be exactly what he is anon, you can’t pawn off bendis from him that easily. You either support bendis or you don’t, quit being a b***h claiming “he CAN be good” while ignoring that
I haven't had time to dive into Bendis' run yet, but I've heard it is good. I just think before Bendis, a lot of people weren't doing Miles justice
Bendis CREATED miles you empty casual homosexual.
>before Bendis
wat
I've read the Absolute Carnage run and was thinking about the "What If" series they had Miles in. I'm mostly thinking about those two when it comes to comic miles content
Jaime is white passing
Miles is whiter than Jaime frfr
Honestly, I like movie Miles waaayyyy more than comic Miles. I just don't think they give this character breathing room in the comics because
1. Nobody really knows what to do with him
and 2. There's already like 50 other Spider-Men in the comics so it's kinda hard for him to stick out or get truly fresh concepts.
People are pulling him in too many directions and none of the right ones. If anything, if he had his own circle of characters. villains, and locations more people would like to read about his adventures.
honestly yeah, one of my favorite parts from the latest spiderverse movie is just the start where miles is doing his own thing. i really think the writers for him there could do something good with him divorced from all the multiverse stuff
One thing I've seen online is people saying that, now that Miles exist in the same universe as Peter, make him switch locations and have his own villains. Marvel already has a problem with making most of their characters all operate within the same area, so I would like to see some of the characters spread out a bit more.
Because most people don't even remember the original blue beetle. Also blue beetle was never as popular as spiderman.
You've been BTFO enough already. Just stop.
Jaime didn't have to wait until his movie for people to come up with a good characterization for him, Giffen got it done immediately
Most fans prefer Ted and Booster.
Blue Beetle isn't a name as big as Spider-Man.
read more comics to find out for fricks sake
Miles always has Peter hanging around which makes it way more obvious which character he's meant to be directly replacing.
Get it through your thick skull already
Dan Garret stopped selling, so they revived the superhero identity later with Ted Kord, when Ted stopped selling, they revived it later with Jaime Reyes
Jay Garrick stopped selling, so they revived the superhero identity later with Barry Allen, when Barry stopped selling, they revived it later with Wally West
Alan Scott stopped selling, so they revived the superhero identity later with Hal Jordan, when Hal stopped selling, they revived it later with Kyle Rayner
This is a practice reserved entirely for failed superheroes that they want to try revive interest in by throwing the mantle at a new civilian, doing it with your best selling flagship who's the most popular and best selling superhero on the planet for 60 years straight is lunacy fueled by genuine mental illness
Jaime didn't try to go frick Ted's love interests or alternate universes of them.
No one self-inserts as Ted
>hey this decades old item owned by the original blue beetle, passed down to the second blue beetle, was actually a parasitic creature that latched itself onto this random kid and gave him powers
>oh, i also got bit by a radioactive spider that gave me the exact same powers as spider-man but also a couple of extra one
It really comes down to execution. Jaime didn't feel like a straight up replacement for Ted, they were very different characters with different power sets. He was taking up the mantle of Blue Beetle, but was distinct. Miles has way too much in common with Peter that he comes off as a cheap copy a lot of the time, and for the most part the comics are still struggling to make him distinct.
>that gave me the exact same powers as spider-man but also a couple of extra one
Then they're not the same exact powers
>super strength isn't the same as super strength
>spidey sense isn't the same as spidey sense
>being able to cling to walls isn't the same as being able to cling to walls
Every power Peter has Miles has the exact same power that functions identically.
Eh fair, I also think with Marve adding new Spider-Men characters every other day makes it hard for Miles to be his own thing with the same name.
Different characters took up another heroes name before, no problem. Dick with Batman, Jamie with Blue Beetle, Question 2, multiple Batgirls, etc...
You just have to get someone who knows how to write write Miles into a cool character of his own.
I simply do not like black people.
cringe
To be fair they didn't meet till like a decade after Jaime was created.
Least your honest about it
No one cared about Ted and even if they did he is a legacy character himself. Jaime was an attempt to get people interested in Blue Beetle, Miles is an attempt to steal a popular white hero’s mantle and give it to a Black person
1. Ted isn't the first Blue Beetle so there's less ground to stand on.
2. Smaller fan base to begin with means there's less people to complain about the change
Does Jaime even have any of his own villains?
The entire Reach you dense motherfricker
The reach, which are pretty notable all things considered.
Because Peter is still alive yet the writers insist on lowering him to make Miles look cooler. If they had a long period of mentorship beforehand, only for Peter to permadie in a big event book or retire or whatever, nobody would care(some people would, but only hardliners)
Agitating for Peter to become a pathetic loser cuck is a good way to piss off the audience.
The problem is that there are already better successors for Peter. Why not Ben? Why not Mayday? Why does it have to be Miles?
Honestly, I think the thing that Miles suffers from is inconsistency.
With characters like Batman/Spiderman, they've been around long enough for people to know the main staples in the character's life.
Miles is a new-ish character, one that hasn't had any character defining traits or events that happened in his comics. And since a writer can completely overwrite the last issue/comic run, it throws Miles into a limbo where he's at the mercy of the writers, who, for better or for worse, and in this case, worse, just have him be a nothingburger of a character.
>has been around for ten years
>that isn’t enough time to establish a motive of supporting cast
Why do bendisgays have no concept of time?
you know exactly why. they're not going to say it, they're going to keep insisting it's due to a bunch of trumped up shit that's easily disproven, but you know why.
If it's easily disproven, why can't you ever do it?
I haven't read Blue Beetle but can someone link me the part where Jaime beats up Ted and then Ted says how cool he is?
They can say Mile's costume is cooler for a hundred years it will never be true. Bombastic Bag Man is a more iconic outfit than Miles's.
One is replacing a literally who character. The other's replacing the most popular superhero ever created for the sole purpose of pandering to blacks and their worshippers. There's a reason why there's been dozens of Spiderpeople over the decades, but Miles is the only one shoved into every media and it's not the character's organic popularity.
ted kord is a better character than peter parker
As a peter gay I COULD accept that argument if provided enough evidence. But is his Ditko run better than peters?
I think Blue Beetle is shit when he's not grouped with Booster Gold. Lmao
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Of all Marvel's legacy diversity hires that came out of the early 2010s, the only one I've ever seen fairly consistent praise for is Robbie Reyes.
Him and Sam Nova are pretty good. Kamala had her moments but she completely fell apart when they dismantled her supporting cast and setting
>Sam Nova
I dunno, after he stopped being Loeb's Dead Son, every other writer who ever got their hands on him seemed to be on a mission to shit on him as hard as editorial would allow.
Was that after loeb went on stage at comic con in a gi?
None of them can manage to sell a series though. And with Kamala and Miles, they're constantly getting new #1s to generate interest again.
If Ben had gotten one, one millionth of the push miles got I wonder what the world would look like
A better place
That's because being a flaming skeleton with a boss muscle car is cool as shit.
Yeah, for real. Where’s my fricking movie? Or game?
It was basically Redline: The Comic, what's not to like?