Why isn't Sword and Sorcery a bigger genre?
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Why isn't Sword and Sorcery a bigger genre?
Why isn't Sword and Sorcery a bigger genre?
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Because men dont look like this anymore
they only did in your fantasies because you're a homosexual
>t. Fat lazy slobs
what about women?
>Because men dont look like this anymore
There are way way more roidmonkeys out there now than there was in the 70's
i wanna do roids but i feel like i cant stick to the schedule and im scared that i cant inject myself right
just do sarms/oral only cycle
I heard they make ur balls tiny
Source: Early 2000s movies
moron
>men aren't this fit anymore!!
>"You're wrong"
>Hahaha you're just fat
literally nonsensical
Estrogen in the water supply
Too uplifting to masculinity. Requires women to look like women for the stories to make sense. Revenge movies are barely ever made anymore either, because revenge is uhhh bad or something.
>Too uplifting to masculinity.
this is a lot of it.
>enough dime-a-dozen pulps pumped out at speeds that would make Disney execs blush have a short (by literature standards, anyway) shelf life.
You could say the same thing about comicbook superheroes, but maybe Sword and Sorcery has a seedier history. The genre was exploited for decades as an excuse to write/draw half naked muscle men and women. Not a perfect analogy, but it would be like if anime became majority ecchi for thirty years and everyone stopped taking it seriously as anything other than coomerslop. The character of Conan is an extreme example with the majority of fiction revolving around him not being written by the original author or in the original spirit. Some of the modern stories with his name attached try to rewrite Howard's character entirely.
The main difference between comics and pulp is that comics stayed "in" with the pop culture and thus their aesthetics and sensiblities were gradually updated every decade or so. Pulp is wacky and campy not just by modern standards, but even by 70s standards.
>The character of Conan is an extreme example with the majority of fiction revolving around him not being written by the original author or in the original spirit
What they did to Conan is a travesty because the original, Howard's Conan avoided many of the pitfalls of pulps and comics by presenting a long story of a single man's life (albeit with a lot of filler episodes so to speak) told by a single author with some vision. Conan actually goes through meaningful change and King Conan is not the same person as young Conan.
>Buff men
>Hot women
These things are not allowed anymore.
>Buff men not allowed
Huh?
homosexual.
we know you are but how does that answer the question?
Because suprisingly enough dime-a-dozen pulps pumped out at speeds that would make Disney execs blush have a short (by literature standards, anyway) shelf life. When Joe Public sees the word "fantasy" today he thinks of LOTR, not of Conan. I guess they could make a Gray Mouser movie and cast some tall black guy and Peter Dinklage for ESG bucks but will go about as well as Willow revival.
And that's all before we get into how fantasy on the big screen still hasn't recovered from Eragorn.
>And that's all before we get into how fantasy on the big screen still hasn't recovered from Eragorn.
Really, did it have that much of an effect? It made 250 million on a 100 million budget so it wasn't good but it wasn't a complete financial disaster
I dunno, but I remember feeling so gay for taking my dad to see it when I was a kid. That movie sucked
I was like 12, me and my school friends went, and we all groaned simultaneously when saphira grew up suddenly in the space of 5 seconds. They really missed the point of the book
Trump lost.
I could tell it would be gay from the trailer and avoided it
Eragorn was the Cutthroat Island of fantasy movies
>It made 250 million on a 100 million budget
LOTR movies were less than a 100 million per film (280 in total for all three). And the "made 250 million" figure must be subjected to the standard "theater cut and marketing not included in budget" treatment.
Eragorn wasn't that bad. It turned a profit and was enjoyable even if the MC and female leads are mary sues (same as books). The first movie coming out before the second book did was not good but the books went from interesting, to good, to mid, to unmitigated dog shit at the end and the drop off is worse than I'm making it sound. The final book is the laziest writing in the history of the genre.
I'm trying.
this is a scene of a man accepting the toll of taking one's life, and thus accepting his mortality and the value of its own life
>Jason and the Argonauts
>Clash of the Titans
>Golden Voyage of Sinbad
>Conan the Barbarian
>Excalibur
>Highlander
>LotR trilogy
Are the only good fantasy movies. And no, Kull and Princess Bride are fricking shit.
>but at night, a cottenseed is the same as a pearl
True, true.
Beastmaster was pretty good.
no it wasnt
it is good, but even if it wasn't, it's worth watching for prime Tanya Roberts boobies
it's antisemitic
Gay and nerdy
Because it was perfected in Conan
Swords.
I wanted 80's Arnie's sword, alright
There are no more Mctiernan or Milius type directors and if there were they would never be greenlit today.
This. No one in this thread seems to have mentioned how much of a maverick John Milius really was. There really was no other man I think up to the job of adapting Conan because the material is simply so foreign to your average persons sensibilities. Conan is at heart a portrayal of the Nietzschean struggle for space and mastery over space, something which on a good day is hard for your average moviegoer to comprehend, and on a bad day(some would claim) fascistic. Milius was in constant hot water with execs and other big wigs over his opinions and some public comments, something which ended up with his defacto blacklisting from the Hollywood system. Not blanket unduly, but I would say an extremely rare personality for a israelite, judging atleast by other israeli directors who are generally speaking more concerned with neurotic introspection than making a cult of the body. Interestingly Milius was also an avid surfer in his youth and very much into guns and fast cars. Awesome dude, we'll probably never get another like him.
Not to*
classic Milius
Wasn't he the guy who responded to one of his coworkers being called a nazi "He's not a Nazi. I'm a Nazi. I'm the only fricking Nazi."
Yeah he has a lot of good quotes. My favorite is something like "We should hand Weinstein over to the Taliban. I would like to hunt him down in a cave."
Yeah, another producer said he didn’t like Arnold for the part “because he’s a Nazi.” Milius responded that “I am the only Nazi on this set.”
>Nietzschean struggle for space and mastery over space
make it less obvious that you've been taken in by that homosexual next time you decide to post this nonsense
Nietzschean, sure.
muh space, no
he's in every s&s thread
pretty sure it's milius' kid or something
>Conan is at heart a portrayal of the Nietzschean struggle for space and mastery over space
Reminder that it was Milius who injected the Nietzschean shit into the character.
The original Conan stories by Howard were just about this guy Black personing around and stealing shit. The closest it got to philosophy was him b***hing about how civilization makes men corrupt and weak.
How was Milius so based?
because people think its lame
its viewed as outdated lame nerd shit
there has literally only been one good sword and sorcery movie, conan
everything else was dogshit, enjoyable to 12 year old you, sure, but dogshit
it was already a failed genre in the 80s
Yeah. There should have been another attempt at the Frazetta style S&S, Conan's the closest we got. There Fire & Ice but it's animated.
Knoife.
it's literally only something white men are interested in
requires a considerable budget for costuming/effects/etc., visual design is more difficult than other genres, writers suck ass nowadays, studios demand ESG homosexualry, etc
consider how massive Game of Thrones was until they fricked it: the demand is clearly there, but if the production quality isn't high and if the writing isn't good, then the project quickly becomes the butt of every joke
with decent writers/directors/casting/costuming The Witcher could've been amazing, but it was torpedoed on purpose by wokeshittery from the get-go. All that demand and goodwill squandered, when all they had to do was stick to the source material (primarily the second and third games, which are superior) and cast appropriately
the TV format would've let us see all sides of the Assassins of Kings storyline, which would've been frickin great with the proper direction...ahh, what might have been.
Finally a real answer instead of all the whiney homosexuals crying about women bullying men out of their masculinity.
If you look at a lot of the older sword and sorcery movies it was usually a bunch of people basically wearing straps and rags running around in the desert because their budget was so small. Or it's one or a handful of settings accurate characters running around modern day California.
>He-man comes to the real world
Funny how mattel got away from just reusing the plot for Barbie.
When will we get an 80s mall clothing store kino?
Because zoomers and gen alpha have a different taste.
That movie is 40 years old and none of the copycats that followed in its wake were anywhere near as good. Basically, that's why.
>implying
Too much fantasy for your average dude-bro, too much masculinity for your average geek/nerd.
Sword and Sorcery a genre that is meant to inspire people to hone their body and skills and to ignore the materialism of the modern world
Modern people do not like any of those things, so it's only the few intelligent, keyed, outliers of society that are actually enthralled by it.
>Sword and Sorcery a genre that is meant to inspire people to hone their body and skills and to ignore the materialism of the modern world
holy shit you're a homosexual
it's a genre meant to entertain
do you think that the kids reading the original pulps or watching jason and the argonauts were "inspired" to be ebin bodybuilder ubermenschen?
it's light entertainment, get a grip
>kids reading the original pulps
The original pulps were aimed at sleaze-core adult audiences, which is why they often had baked-in nudity and eroticism on the covers. Furthermore, you know absolutely nothing about Robert E Howard. Stop talking.
that's still not your gay idol's muh space
conan has nothing to do with it
stop hamfistedly trying to combine your favorite ebin memes
it's transparent and gay
The genre seemed to peak in the 80s, which was also when the country was going through a fitness craze. Dungeons and Dragons being a minor cultural phenomenon also helped. Now the latter is popular again but the former is unlikely to ever return.
>happy, healthy, white America
Well thank God those days are long gone, it looks like those harrible pictures from the third Reich.
Where did anons in this thread get the idea Swords n' Sorcery requires a Mr. Olympia-tier leading man?
Conan isn't the only character of the genre.
Always wondered.
My favorite genre.
Not enough movies to watch...
Swords won't save you now.
I want to see him team up with Conan to kick some xeno butt.
90% of the morons in this thread have never read the original Conan stories and instead are basing their ideas on sword and sorcery from the milius movie and the shitty comics
These people don't even know that Conan always chooses to wear armor, he literally wears late medieval plate armor from head to foot when he is king of Aquilonia, he is not some shirtless berserker
The only time he doesn't wear armor is when he is sneaking or deprived of it
you know who