>they proved to be totally outdated and inferior in One Year War?
That hasn't ever really happened. Yes, Zeon lost the war, but there's no correlation between that and the fact that they exclusively used monoeye designs, nor has either format ever been proven conclusively superior in terms of performance.
Most Federation designs use their own version of the concept through the main camera on the head crest, and background material frequently disagrees on what exactly is behind an RGM's visor face.
The Doylist answer is that it's visual shorthand for opposing forces, which is also why something like the Hizack even exists instead of the Titans using GM IIs almost exclusively like they probably should.
The Rick Dias design team included a lot of former Zeonic/Zimmad engineers, but it's a wholly new design.
That depends on the source, and even looking at ones that do say so, they didn't just decide that years after Zeta Gundam, but years after Gundam 0083 too.
I mean the whole AE trying to make their own doms to replace the rapidly aging GMs for the feddies is set in stone
The process of this development just got expanded upon with the Diaz eventually becoming a beautiful love child of the latest vqriant of the Dom and what AE had cooking up
Sure, but depending on the source it may or may not invoke the GP-02 as an influence on the Rick Dias. The Rick Dias also doesn't actually have much in common visually with the GP-02 beyond "fat calves", and even that similarity is superficial since the actual look of both is pretty different and there's at least as much similarity between the Rick Dias and any Dom variant as there is between the Rick Dias and the GP-02.
>The Rick Dias also doesn't actually have much in common visually with the GP-02 beyond "fat calves"
isn't it much more than that?
they've got strikingly similar chest armor, with a blocky upper part mixed with round "wienerpit armor" that seems to be vestigial on the Rick Dias.
then you have the two tubes on the inward sides of both designs' forearms.
going down to the legs, you have those fat calves. they can roughly be divided into a vaguely similar front and rear armor section, with the GP-02 having some additional foot armor from being more closely related to traditional gundam design.
moving back upwards, that giant air intake behind the v-fin crest on the GP-02 seems a little strange unless you consider that it might be trying to mirror the window on the Rick Dias. they also both have green eyes, though that is likely to be a coincidence.
finally, both designs seem to use a very similar design general concept, although the implementation is different. that is, both are heavy MS using variable-vector binder setup as their main thrusters to achieve better maneuverability.
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I don't think it is much more than that, no. Taking a look at your list for instance, I think most of them are either coincidence, similarity to the existing design language of the Dom or just not good comparison regardless.
> they've got strikingly similar chest armor, with a blocky upper part mixed with round "wienerpit armor" that seems to be vestigial on the Rick Dias.
The Dom line of suits already has similar chest armor i.e. what looks like an armored vest over the upper chest, protect a circular portion with the wienerpit hatch.
> then you have the two tubes on the inward sides of both designs' forearms.
This one seems to be a misrepresentation (though I don't think you're doing so intentionally; to be clear), because the two "tubes" on the GP-02A appear to be solid armor elements, which perhaps protect tubes inside the armor on that drawing but which are frequently presented as pistons in other art or in gunpla.
> going down to the legs, you have those fat calves. they can roughly be divided into a vaguely similar front and rear armor section
Again, this just appears to be based on the existing Zeon design language, which already tended to use multiple layers of armor on the calves in their One Year War suits such as the Rick Dom and Gelgoog. The GP-02 does have separated front/back armor plates, but also has several other sections to boot, while the front/back separation seems like an extension of Zeon's design language if you simplify the legs so they no longer have thrusters on the calves.
I would assume stereoscopic range finding that are passive in nature gets popular again as Minovsky particles interfere with active ones, even lasers to some extent.
Feddie style MS have THREE cameras. The crest at the top of the head is the main, the eyes are sub cameras/sensor units. Some, like the Mk II are now depicted as having even more, like the chest cameras, even though the original lineart clearly depicted them as raises in the armor
Why do the cameras even resemble "eyes"? Why are they so far above the part where the pilot would be? Why do Mobile suits have heads? Why does my pee come out yellow?
isn't the ass's mono eye a sensor along side a panoramic view?
Not sure about the Hizak, that might unironically be a retro single camera monoeye with how crummy those things can be
Were talking about the actual literal instance of shrapnel rounds shredding Asshimar's main cameras and it just sliding more into place because frick your point
> moving back upwards, that giant air intake behind the v-fin crest on the GP-02 seems a little strange unless you consider that it might be trying to mirror the window on the Rick Dias.
This one would still be a stretch even if the head intake was just the middle section. It's not though, and when looking at the head crest of the GP-02A with it's grill spread out over the entire forehead it looks nothing like the window on the Rick Dias.
> they also both have green eyes, though that is likely to be a coincidence.
Given how many other units have green eyes, yeah, it probably is a coincidence.
> finally, both designs seem to use a very similar design general concept, although the implementation is different. that is, both are heavy MS using variable-vector binder setup as their main thrusters to achieve better maneuverability.
The thing about this is, the Rick Dias isn't a heavy suit, and it's main thrusters are the 3 main ones on the rear of the waist, not the variable vector binders on the back. Which is why those binders could be ejected if the fuel was spent or you needed a distraction or something. They're supplemental on the Rick Dias, whereas the shoulder thrusters are the main ones on the GP-02A. The Rick Dias weighs about the same as pretty much any other suit from about the same time too, isn't any hardier to most damage outside of using luna titanium armor and most of it's bulk is for fuel so far as I know, like the Dom before it.
Looks cool.
Love homosexuals trying to conflate artist/designer choices with lore.
Only real answer.
subjective. I think most of mono-eye suits have ugly heads
so bandai should never make a monoeye suit again because one guy doesn't think its cool?
i didn't say that, schizo
Hizack, Rick Dias, Gaza-C all have higher sensor range than GM II.
But GM IIs are just GMs given some upgrades.
Because all used the 360 view wienerpit anyway, real reason is probably because Zaku model kits sold very well.
The one you posted is updated from the ones in the one year war im assuming
>they proved to be totally outdated and inferior in One Year War?
That hasn't ever really happened. Yes, Zeon lost the war, but there's no correlation between that and the fact that they exclusively used monoeye designs, nor has either format ever been proven conclusively superior in terms of performance.
Most Federation designs use their own version of the concept through the main camera on the head crest, and background material frequently disagrees on what exactly is behind an RGM's visor face.
The Doylist answer is that it's visual shorthand for opposing forces, which is also why something like the Hizack even exists instead of the Titans using GM IIs almost exclusively like they probably should.
The Rick Dias design team included a lot of former Zeonic/Zimmad engineers, but it's a wholly new design.
I think a lot of people assume they come from the Dom, but Diaz has more heritage from the Nuke Gundam
That depends on the source, and even looking at ones that do say so, they didn't just decide that years after Zeta Gundam, but years after Gundam 0083 too.
I mean the whole AE trying to make their own doms to replace the rapidly aging GMs for the feddies is set in stone
The process of this development just got expanded upon with the Diaz eventually becoming a beautiful love child of the latest vqriant of the Dom and what AE had cooking up
Sure, but depending on the source it may or may not invoke the GP-02 as an influence on the Rick Dias. The Rick Dias also doesn't actually have much in common visually with the GP-02 beyond "fat calves", and even that similarity is superficial since the actual look of both is pretty different and there's at least as much similarity between the Rick Dias and any Dom variant as there is between the Rick Dias and the GP-02.
>The Rick Dias also doesn't actually have much in common visually with the GP-02 beyond "fat calves"
isn't it much more than that?
they've got strikingly similar chest armor, with a blocky upper part mixed with round "wienerpit armor" that seems to be vestigial on the Rick Dias.
then you have the two tubes on the inward sides of both designs' forearms.
going down to the legs, you have those fat calves. they can roughly be divided into a vaguely similar front and rear armor section, with the GP-02 having some additional foot armor from being more closely related to traditional gundam design.
moving back upwards, that giant air intake behind the v-fin crest on the GP-02 seems a little strange unless you consider that it might be trying to mirror the window on the Rick Dias. they also both have green eyes, though that is likely to be a coincidence.
finally, both designs seem to use a very similar design general concept, although the implementation is different. that is, both are heavy MS using variable-vector binder setup as their main thrusters to achieve better maneuverability.
I don't think it is much more than that, no. Taking a look at your list for instance, I think most of them are either coincidence, similarity to the existing design language of the Dom or just not good comparison regardless.
> they've got strikingly similar chest armor, with a blocky upper part mixed with round "wienerpit armor" that seems to be vestigial on the Rick Dias.
The Dom line of suits already has similar chest armor i.e. what looks like an armored vest over the upper chest, protect a circular portion with the wienerpit hatch.
> then you have the two tubes on the inward sides of both designs' forearms.
This one seems to be a misrepresentation (though I don't think you're doing so intentionally; to be clear), because the two "tubes" on the GP-02A appear to be solid armor elements, which perhaps protect tubes inside the armor on that drawing but which are frequently presented as pistons in other art or in gunpla.
> going down to the legs, you have those fat calves. they can roughly be divided into a vaguely similar front and rear armor section
Again, this just appears to be based on the existing Zeon design language, which already tended to use multiple layers of armor on the calves in their One Year War suits such as the Rick Dom and Gelgoog. The GP-02 does have separated front/back armor plates, but also has several other sections to boot, while the front/back separation seems like an extension of Zeon's design language if you simplify the legs so they no longer have thrusters on the calves.
forgive me if im an idiot, but whats the point of two eyes as opposed to one if they're just cameras? Does depth perception affect cameras too?
>but whats the point of two eyes as opposed to one if they're just cameras? Does depth perception affect cameras too?
gore
>does depth percent affect cameras too
Yes actually
I would assume stereoscopic range finding that are passive in nature gets popular again as Minovsky particles interfere with active ones, even lasers to some extent.
Feddie style MS have THREE cameras. The crest at the top of the head is the main, the eyes are sub cameras/sensor units. Some, like the Mk II are now depicted as having even more, like the chest cameras, even though the original lineart clearly depicted them as raises in the armor
Why do the cameras even resemble "eyes"? Why are they so far above the part where the pilot would be? Why do Mobile suits have heads? Why does my pee come out yellow?
> Why does my pee come out yellow?
Too much gold paint in you. Stop buying Hyaku Shiki kits.
2 eyes are just as pointless
a lot of MS in zeta are shifting to multiple cameras around the suit and full panoramic views
To expand on this, suits with only one camera have also been made incredibly easy to counter by shrapnel weaponry like the clay bazooka
Laughs in Asshimar
isn't the ass's mono eye a sensor along side a panoramic view?
Not sure about the Hizak, that might unironically be a retro single camera monoeye with how crummy those things can be
Were talking about the actual literal instance of shrapnel rounds shredding Asshimar's main cameras and it just sliding more into place because frick your point
Dailly reminder that the f91 is a femboy ms that sucks wieners in glory holes and is for lil'gay boys
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Nurse_Gundam
Can't believe how fat the Rick Dias is.
I mean, just look at how fat it is, emphasized even more with the tiny head.
>"fat"
>literally has an hourglass waist and a flat stomach
???
It's just bulky and armored.
>when they proved to be totally outdated and inferior in One Year War?
how are they
Meta reason? Probably because they needed to show who's who.
In-universe? AE was retconned have absorbed Zeonic, Zeon's primary manufacturer so now everything has the monoeye, except when they don't.
Yet the GM visor survives all the way up to the Jamesgun and Javelin in late UC.
Am I dumb for thinking the Rick Dias is the dad of The-O?
Yes.
Well, maybe both stemmed from the same idea the designers at Sunrise had.
big boy kit never ever
Oh nonsense, anon. All you have to do is just believe.
> moving back upwards, that giant air intake behind the v-fin crest on the GP-02 seems a little strange unless you consider that it might be trying to mirror the window on the Rick Dias.
This one would still be a stretch even if the head intake was just the middle section. It's not though, and when looking at the head crest of the GP-02A with it's grill spread out over the entire forehead it looks nothing like the window on the Rick Dias.
> they also both have green eyes, though that is likely to be a coincidence.
Given how many other units have green eyes, yeah, it probably is a coincidence.
> finally, both designs seem to use a very similar design general concept, although the implementation is different. that is, both are heavy MS using variable-vector binder setup as their main thrusters to achieve better maneuverability.
The thing about this is, the Rick Dias isn't a heavy suit, and it's main thrusters are the 3 main ones on the rear of the waist, not the variable vector binders on the back. Which is why those binders could be ejected if the fuel was spent or you needed a distraction or something. They're supplemental on the Rick Dias, whereas the shoulder thrusters are the main ones on the GP-02A. The Rick Dias weighs about the same as pretty much any other suit from about the same time too, isn't any hardier to most damage outside of using luna titanium armor and most of it's bulk is for fuel so far as I know, like the Dom before it.