Why not just shoot him in the legs?
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Why not just shoot him in the legs?
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>dodge this
Ehhehehe
>we programmed this simulation of reality so that our agents can dodge any bullet because as our enforcers they need to be able to dead simply with any threat
>oh unless you're right next to them because in that case we programmed the simulated bullet to actually kill them for some reason haha lmao dodge this
Confirmed brainlet who didn't watch the movie. The bullet didn't kill Agent Jones, he hopped out of the body and it killed the guy he had possessed. This isn't exactly hard to miss, you literally see him perfectly fine later in the movie.
>the bullet didn't kill agent jones
>it killed the body he was possessing thereby preventing the agent from achieving his immediate goal in the short term
>I am very smart
you are very stupid
Great comeback chief
Honestly, you got the whole thread unanimously shitting on you now. You'd better just cut your losses and go.
>y-you better go before maybe I think of a c-comeback or something it could get r-real bad
lmao ok bud
Bro you got dunked on accept it and move on btw this is a troony movie everyone itt is gays myself included, unfortunately.
Agents don't care about the short term so long as they still achieve their long term goals. This is one of the best things about the trilogy. Nobody, not even Neo, is ever able to permanently defeat an Agent. The best they can accomplish is hindering or delaying them.
>Agents don't care about the short term so long as they still achieve their long term goals
>series of short term occurrences leads to long term goals not being achieved
>humanity's resistance is saved by neo-jesus fusion with deux ex machina
>???
>dodge this lmao
Didn't he frick up Smith's code to the point he was supposed to delete himself before he went rogue?
Just shut up and frick already homosexuals
I see someone was also distracted by the woman in the red dress to pay attention to Morpheus's turorial on Agents.
>Mouse is in Attack of the Clones
>Woman in the Red Dress is also in Attack of the Clones
>Woman in the Red Dress looks directly into the camera at the viewer and smiles as Mouse walks through the bar in Attack of the Clones
>Entirety of Star Wars is Mouse's larp
How deep does this rabbithole go bros?
"The simulation is based on rules, rules like gravity. Some of these rules can be bent, others can be broken."
The agents are still subject to the rules of the system. They have a modicum of control over the system, hence they can bend the rules; move with extreme speed, they have super strength, they can change small amounts of code (like the brick windows) but they are still living inside the system. They're still affected by gravity and light and, yes, bullets.
>They're still affected by gravity and light and, yes, bullets.
You'd think that, if they can pump their reaction time and speed stats high enough to dodge bullets, they could make their skin/bones tougher as well. At least tough enough to resist small caliber fire like 9mm.
No matter how tough your skin is, you're not going to resist a point blank shot. That was the only time in the series that we ever see an agent get hit by a bullet.
This issue is literally addressed when they first talk about agents. Since they exist in the Matrix they still have to reasonably follow the rules. The Agents aren't faster than bullets, as Trinity proved, they're simply able to predict where they'll go and dodge according. The agents also can't be absurdly strong or impervious to damage because the Matrix doesn't exist in those rules. All they can be is the absolute peak of a human with moderate predictability.
Wait, how does that fit in with the part where Smith has Neo up against the wall and punches him at super speed? I think that goes far beyond human capability.
That's a good point. And the answer is the movie fricks up sometimes. Or maybe it was meant to represent that Smith is beginning to break out from the Matrix's rules too.
There is a theory that Smith is the One, so it might line up with that.
There is no "The One" that was just a lie to motivate the narcissistic humans and it suddenly became "The Binary" when they needed a couple.
All the more reason why Smith, who is not a human, would be the One. In the end it was he who enacted real change in the Matrix.
How does the fact that "The One" is a complete lie made up to manipulate people lend credence to any theory of anyone being "The One"?
Also, Smith only did what he did because Neo changed his programming.
Smith had that part where he took off his earpiece and talked to Morpheus about how he wasn't like the other Agents. There was something different about Smith even before Neo entered him.
No evidence he did anything like that before being compromised by exposure to neo.
>*moves goalposts*
No, getting a virus from neo has always been the goalpost. The part where all the other agents also got compromised to the point other people could beat them is explained by the entering an agent and fully dissecting the code.
There's definitely a 'One' i.e. someone who has the code requiring them to go to the machine source and reset the Matrix/kill Zion which was Neo. However, throughout all of the Matrix media there's the theme of purpose and belief overriding the Matrix. Examples like the guy in Animatrix's World Record or The Kid where they're able to wake themselves up without assistance. Smith after his initial destruction by Neo is the same. He becomes capable of doing incredible feats because of his will. He wants to destroy the Matrix and Neo so badly he develops the abilities required. My headcanon is while there's only one 'One' created by the machines everyone in the Matrix is capable of the superhuman feats if they have enough belief/will.
>neo is completely normal hooman for 99% of the first movie
>Morpheus is stronger, faster, more skilled than him
>gets shot, killed by smith
>wakes back up and is suddenly god
Smith "embedded" some of his programming into Neo.
Makes sense
because he would dodge it probably? the fact that he isn't moving his legs here doesn't imply that he is unable to moving his legs at all
I don't think so because neo dodges the bullets like the agent does and the only bullet that strikes him is the one that hits his leg.
I believe one of them hits him in the butt as well.
The agent was dodging, neo was mostly reacting by throwing himself out of the way. He moved “like” them, nearly as fast, but at that point he couldn’t dodge like them.
Don't care what anyone says The Matrix is a great film
You can't hurt them. You have to terminate them.
Not true, Morpheus cuts an agent with a sword.
The twins weren't agents.
Hes probably talking about the agent he fought on top of the big rig
I'm rewatching the scene and you're right, he does get a single cut on him. It doesn't seem to hurt him though. I suspect agents don't feel pain.
He cuts his tie and face.
yeah the sequels are shit bro I don't know what to tell you
Yeah, but the tie didn't draw blood so I didn't feel it was worth mentioning.
Also check this part out, when he gets kicked into the car, he immediately phases into another guy and the cut is gone. So it seems they can just heal instantly at any time.
#t=2m58s
Smith was pretty unique among agents, it's possible some bug in his programming caused him to feel pain that other agents don't feel.
He was the most "human" out of any of the programs. The emotions, specifically anger and hate, shock, fear, and joy/laughter as well (in the sequel).
He even had a bit of respect for Neo, breifly saying "goodbye, mister anderson" after he killed him in the first movie.
They obviously feel pain, they simply have a higher tolerance for it. When Neo is fighting Smith in the first he twists his arm at one point and he winces in obvious pain. He also recoils and winces from his blows. He also is in obvious pain when Neo hits him with the minigun when they rescue Morpheus
worse, they were cringe
they were aggravated
And was the agent hurt? Shooting them or cutting them does nothing. You have to kill them.
His pride was, yes.
Kept waiting for an agent to ask them "So how does that slop taste that you eat every day?"
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Agents being de-powered is the biggest reason why the sequels suck ass. When you look at the first movie, they are the perfect antagonists. They can't be stopped, they can't be beaten, they are just going to keep coming after you with everything they've got. They'll throw themselves out a building to try and get to you. Even in a once in a life time upset and you kill Smith, he just respawns immediately on the very train that 'killed' him. It's so fricking cool, they're perfect. Morpheus says "Everyone who has gone up against an Agent has died." and you believe it utterly.
Then the sequels happen and they're almost all neutered. Only one can manage to wing Trinity, and Morpheus manages to beat one with a little effort.
They kind of painted themselves into a corner when the original 3 movies had to be crammed into the first one only to find they had to add 2 more.
My headcannon is that when neo became the one everyone started believing in themselves more and got stronger.
>My headcannon is that when neo became the one everyone started believing in themselves more and got stronger.
Exactly this. Neo proved that they can in fact be 'defeated' which greatly increased morale. Prior to this the whole "everyone who fights them dies" line would make every encounter feel like a purposeful suicide mission just to buy time, in which case, you aren't necessarily even trying to beat them, literally just surviving as long as possible so that your allies can escape.
This is an interesting take considering the thing I usually see people complain about is that Neo was weakened in the sequels. People always point at the "Hm. Upgrades." line in Reloaded as a throwaway line justifying why he can't just obliterate any agent after becoming the One.
This. I think them appearing not physically ominous adds to it as well. They aren't these comically muscular dudes chasing after you. They're these calm and collected fricking spooks. Sequel agents look like just some gymbros which, ironically, make them less intimidating
Why do so many of them have pimples on their faces?
Another thing I dislike about the sequels is that it puts the emphasis away from human collaborators to focus on the machines. Most of the resistance Neo got was from police rather than from agents. I liked this idea of humans protecting the system being as much a threat as the machines.
That's a good point, in the sequels the Matrix doesn't look or feel like there's anyone living in it. Neo has a boss, black market clients, as as you said cops and SWAT teams who have agency. The final chase scene happens in a street market, and of course its full of people. In the Reloaded highway chase nobody is even driving those civilian cars that get totaled. The matrix in the sequels is static and empty, the sets look like videogame levels, zero grit and no sense that anybody lives in or uses the spaces at all.
This is mainly an issue with Reloaded, because in Revolutions, the Smith virus has steadily been consuming the inhabitants of the Matrix so it being empty of everything except Smith is the whole point. Ironically, this problem is fixed in Resurrections and there's a lot of random people, but nobody likes it.
I always felt that it simply represents humanities ability to adapt.
For example, for decades it was assumed that running the 100 meters in under 10 seconds is impossible. Then one day Morice Greene was able to break that boundary with his 9.8 seconds time in 1999 and suddenly a handful of people ran in under 10 seconds. Like the spell was broken, or a stigma lifted. People had to see that it's possible to suddenly see that it's perfectly possible.
The same way in Matrix, the humans saw in Neo that it's perfectly possible to beat an agent and suddenly everyone was able to do it.
Also, when Neo entered Agent Smith at the climax of the first film, he installed the virus that weakened the agent program as a whole while completely cutting Smith off from his original directives.
>that weakened the agent program as a whole
NO
>completely cutting Smith off from his original directives
YES
He took away his PURPOSE
Matrix 2 & 3 are way better when you watch them back to back, as one movie, like intended
Matrix 4 has to be honourably mentioned as the worst movie ever
Wrong, they were clearly weaker after that interaction, so it only makes sense that he not only damaged Agent Smith with some kind of virus, but also the agent program in general.
If he took away one agent's purpose he took away all agent's purpose since they all share the same purpose.
>Then one day Morice Greene was able to break that boundary with his 9.8 seconds time in 1999
The first sub-10 second 100m race was in 1968 by Jim Hines. Carl Lewis in the 80s became the first athlete to run sub-10 multiple times at low altitude, which convinced other sprinters the feat should be regularly occuring.
That's what broke the mysticism about sub-10. Maurice Greene has nothing to do with your example.
Should they have stopped at the first one?
Yes, the story was done and Neo basically became god
I liked the sequels. I find it depressing that even Cinemaphile repeats the "dae le sequels bad" reddit opinion ad nauseum. And don't try and tell me that isn't reddit. Every single reddit thread I look at about the Matrix, I always find dozens of comments about "gee those sequels sure are bad fellas am I right upvotes to the left please".
Go back
Only 10 minutes of Reloaded are good. Revolution is trash throughout.
They were bad tho
All four Matrix movies are kino.
I sometimes think that the opinion that the sequels are bad solely stems from comparing it with the first and by looking at how the story was made to continue, which in my opinion too makes the sequels bad movies.
But simply looking at the movies as they are, at the visual effects, the soundtracks, the movies aren't really as bad as portrayed.
I do enjoy Matrix Reloaded a lot for certain key scenes and songs by Rob Dougan and Juno Reactor.
I look at it like Mission Impossible. The first movie was great, and ground breaking in certain ways, the sequels can’t hope to capture that magic and so do their own thing. People have a problem with matrix in particular though as it was the same directors, the same cast and crew. They should’ve been able to continue it more in line with LOTR. I’m guessing either they didn’t plan on the success and had nothing prepared, or underwent major rewrites at a late stage for whatever reason.
Matrix 1 was a brilliant movie because despite the plans to make it a trilogy from the start, it was designed to be a stand alone movie in case it blows, so they could pretend it was just that, a blown movie.
Lord of the Rings 1 was designed to the a trilogy from the start as well, only that it ended with a "To be continued" like everyone expected. Lord of the Rings 2 releasing in the same week as Matrix 2 created a certain expectation in people, even though the movies had nothing to do with each other.
I treat 2 and 3 as fanfic. In my mind it ended with 1. I like some of the ideas in 2, like the Merovingian and the twins though.
Why not just jam the gun with your Neo powers?
>keanu gets shot in the legs by the agent while dodging bullets
>he's fine like 10 seconds later
?????????????????
The bullets grazed him enough to knock him down but didn't penetrate deep enough to do any real damage. You couldn't figure that out on your own?
It doesn't do as much damage as headshots. Neo wanted the onetao with the dulies but agent was lag switching. When Neo says Trinity help it's him asking her to ragehack and Trinity turns on aimlock that's why she goes dodge this
he's shooting at center-of-mass*. you always aim for center-of-mass*.
*aka his torso
Do you think that would affect a computer program enough to make them combat ineffective?
The real reason: It would look silly to see them lord of the dance'ing
The movie reason: He wasn't aiming at their legs.
What happens if you downloaded an Agent's AI and abilities into pic related?
Pretty much exactly the same thing I guess.
Abilities?
They are obviously limited by what T1000 can do, it can't be faster than bullet, what are you on about?
is he an elf?
why didn't the machines just create individual matrixes for each human? seems like a virtual world to which every single human on the planet is connected to introduces more problems than it solves
They can move incredibly really fast but only run at normal pace because they needed the scenes to correlate with a story setting.
what's the point of moving fast when they get obliterated by a mini gun but walk through the door seconds later?
makes more sense to just die and respawn in a more strategic position.
like a kill bind in rust when you hear your base getting raided while out farming
I got the automatic smart gun with bullet seeking in cyberpunk because of the fast movements of implanted characters.
In the Matrix universe, that won't be invented for another 78 years.
>girls when I lean in for a kiss