The suit idea is fun for an alternate what-if storyline. It's better with comics when they're able to experiment with different ideas. Some can be good but it doesn't have to be exactly that way in others. Movies aren't really able to do that though and just end up pissing off a lot of people
Babar was set 97 years ago. I wonder if ~~*they*~~, would have destroyed Celesteville with immigration by this point? I'd kind of be interested to see how the elephants had developed by the 22 or 23 hundreds. Utopian space aged elephant society. How would history judge babar, the founder of their society. Are his descendants still royalty?
You're entitled to your gay opinion, but I think the comics are a lot of fun. Some of the old ones are shit and some of the new ones are both shit and woke and have atrocious art (like the original screenplay Marvel one), but all in all, pretty good.
Shit tier opinion. Comics are just a story telling medium and the quality should be judged by the artistic merit of the work itself. I could see you having the opinion ‘I hate Alien comics’ as rather broad as that might be, but to hate an entire medium of artistic expression is midwit at best.
God fricking morons inhabit this board. Trolling used to at least be clever, now it’s just such boring hate-baiting.
>Movies aren't really able to do that though
they can if they are cynical enough
thy rebooted spider man 3 times brought the reboots back
they are remaking justice league for the third time too
Ridley was dumb for not introducing multiverses
I wouldn't want Cameron back. He can make a good single movie, but they're obviously never meant to be a continuing story or set up for sequels. It would end up like Avatar 2. Entertaining, pretty to look at, but scratching your head 'why this and that happened' because he's just making it up as he goes along.
Some of his ideas were wild, but I think it would have been enjoyable overall. At least get the story back to the timeframe where to the was best. I wonder who would have played adult Newt.
>He can make a good single movie, but they're obviously never meant to be a continuing story or set up for sequels.
Are we just going to ignore Terminator 2?
Look, I like Avatar and all, but Avatar 2 had one of the stupidest stories around. It was very idiotic and very few things made sense other than to look pretty, show off the violence, and have shooty explosion scenes. He didn't have an idea where it should go after the first one, and his original idea was even worse, with the Na'vi putting on space suits and attacking the spaceships
Pretty much. People will cope all day long but Cameron perfected the formula and Aliens is still the most fondly remembered movie in the franchise. It had the great character dynamics, the action along with the horror and the suspense. The first one is a classic for sure but it doesn't have the same charm whilst the sequel takes everything good about the original while adding shit load of character and defining characteristics. If Cameron had been given the rights, the franchise wouldn't be so dead in the water.
if they've learned anything (they haven't) this shit will get kept out the next film >soldiers that are interchangeable who die before we learn anything about them >PATHOGENS AIRBORNE ILLNESS >xeno xeno xeno xeno (or alternatively neo neo neo neo) >tons more gore and creatures bursting out chests
and if we do the exact same thing once again with a female protagonist being set up as a hero... just to get massacred by david's boring ass... holy shit
yup. it's the ultimate basic b***h pleb indication to go on about >alien is the greatest horror film ever >but aliens is a dumb action film!
alien had a ton of conceits that never get talked about like how harry dean stanton is just casually calmly looking for a cat with his guard down after an alien burst out another crew-mate's chest and then squiggled away. aliens actually has heart and emotional themes going on whereas alien is a haunted house process of elimination one-by-one type deal. they all knew that ash designed the homing device but not a single person even looks towards ash when dallas is struggling to understand the radar? nobody has any questions for ash after that?
>ridley makes a movie explainign space jockey is just a suit for a giant human >fans of alien continue to theorize what space jockey is >sequel to that movie explains that xenomorph is actually a lab experiment of some human built android from 2100's just slightly before the events of alien >fans continue to imagine the incredibly hostile planet xenos evolved on and what other potentially even more hazardous creatures live there
ridley is a hack
Ridley is a senile old boomer who wanted to make a film about mythological ancient alien human creators type film and decided to use his pre-existing IP instead of a new one. It's not canon. It's fan fiction from the original author.
yeah he's senile he reported said >i don't see why aliens can't be as big as star wars
then he gives us a bunch more xeno torture porn covenant was like a fricking saw film
He just needs a final product great 10/10 script and he can do the rest with decent acting talent, but Prometheus was always going to be half-baked after bringing in Lindelhof to dick with the screenplay no matter who was directing. At best you would've had a sneaky fricker letting the actors impov a lot of the dialogue, or discretely just filming the original script.
the engineers look great. they are humanoid but obviously not human, there is a bit of uncanny valley effect about them. these prequels should have been all about them then they would have been great.
the problem is they don't look alien at all. in a franchise called alien, with themes of "otherness", cosmic horror, of the unknown and what weird shit lurks out in space and has done for millions of years. The space ship, the eggs, xenomorph, face hugger, and yes the spacejockey were all so different and unlike anything living or dead on Earth.
then they make the engineers practically indistinguishable from humans after all. and yeah I know they maybe seeded our planet with life or some gay shit making us the aliens all along not them but frick that.
No I mean those various interpretations of the Engineers in concept art and comics AND the ones in Prometheus are dumb.
See this dude like fused to his chair and stuff? Looks cool, but it's obvious not what he actually looks like. It's gotta be some kind of suit, but the guys in Prometheus are too boring looking. Also the Engineers should be like 20 feet tall.
why the frick did they think it was a good idea to retcon this thing
I liked the idea that the Pilot simply melded with the chair. The tech was all biomechanical. Fusing with technology is the logical end state.
If Pilot had friends walking around in different roles they’d look different too. You just get a rough idea that they’re gigantic and have an alien skull. Nothing that makes sense with engineers.
If you wanted to do engineers make the Pilot another biomechanical creation of theirs. Slave race? Heavily modified engineer trapped in the seat forever.
“It’s a guy in a suit” is the least interesting and thematically dissonant answer you could give.
Engineers in general are an uninteresting concept. Humans develop lightspeed travel, get out to some random remote deep space planet, find this ancient ship with fossilized aliens from tens of thousands of years ago, oh, no actually, they're just big humans, they created humans and wanted to kill all humans but mucked it up. Prometheus shouldn't be connected to Alien and it'd be interesting.
>The tech was all biomechanical. Fusing with technology is the logical end state.
This. Also technology is so advanced his race stopped being full bio long, long time ago.
He's the Alien ship's MUTHER. They evolved past the need for technology because they became the technology. The entire ship was alive at one point and he was the brain. Cant have a space jockey thread without saying it but I always thought their planet would look like Scorn, except instead of being pain based it'd be sacrifice based. They'd sacrifice their autonomous bodies to become space ships or library indexes or vault doors.
Also why are there so many Alien/Pormetheus threads lately, is there a new one coming out?
>Also why are there so many Alien/Pormetheus threads lately, is there a new one coming out?
they pop up constantly for years. You have not just being paying attention.
main reason is because everybody is dead tired of the run down xenos but the biomechanical concept itself is a pool almost completely untapped. Thus you have things like Scorn gaining a lot of attention when it released even when the gameplay itself was extremely mediocre
>not paying attention
Probably. Ive only been here for like 3 years and it just suddenly stuck out this summer that every thread for a while was Barbie, Oppenheimer and... Prometheus? I think you're on the right track though, with the rapid acceleration of technology and how we're slowly melding our entire lives into our devices its like our subconscious is screaming at us craving the disgusting dystopian biohack aesthetic as like a defense mechanism. And Prometheus and Scorn are the only pieces of media that have even tried it so far. I hope something flawless comes out soon that has that design philosophy but I dont really expect it.
Respectfully, lurk more. There are quite a few other "pieces of media" that have done this. Novels before even Alien was a thing specifically.
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I'm sure there is, like Videodrome or Existenz, Robocop sorta... Got any recommendations though for techno body horror that aren't by Cronenburg and are from this century? I'm serious the only one I can think of is Cube and that's kind of tangential to the concept.
If there's anything about Prometheus that pisses me off it's just that. The mystery around that big ass ayy lmao mummified in the ship was kino and now it's just some gay pilot suit or something.
Now, 2070. Due to the massive birth increase, we’re gonna have a shortage of milk. What this means is, the neo-earth-good-government-league is gonna have to genetically modify all humans, male and female, to lactate once a month. Once every month, you’re gonna be going to a lactation processing center where they’ll hook ya up to all kinds of weird things.
Uh, now, due to some fluke, about 3% of the population produces milk, uh, about 500% as much milk. So they’re gonna have to be farmed constantly. And it’s very painful, but they’re gonna be rounded up by FEMA and their milk will serve the greater good.
why the frick did they think it was a good idea to retcon this thing
Literally the only thing that makes sense here is these aliens living according to an extremely rigorous eugenics and caste system, meaning these guys are assigned as navigators at birth and are then just grafter onto the ship. This is why it's the only carcass on board: it was either the only crew member, or the only one who could get away.
yea this is what fanboys like me having been raging on for years. Biomechanics as depicted in gigers paintings or creations like the jockey means custom evolved biological entities with mechanical purpose. The entire thing is (was) alive, it was grown not built and with the fused pilot in the seat serving as its brain and central control. Xenos in this context are rather basic predatory parasites. For all its purposes it could have been just a regular cargo ship much like the nostromo
Creativity is really dead in modern media production as there is so much you can do if apply some imagination. When you can create living things from scratch specifically evolved for specific tasks with extreme endurance/strength/intelligence. Finally on top evolutionary properties as these biological machines adopt to their local surroundings. Like when xenos inherent traits from its host to better suit its new enivronment while still maintaining impressive qualities like being able to survive in hard vaccum of space.
Looking at this image right now, the idea clicked with me that the Space Jockey simply could have been an artificial being like the xenos engineered by someone else for the purpose of piloting these ships, as the real creators of both really don't want to be on the same ships contaminated with the xeno eggs. The Space Jockey is nothing more than a bio-engineered being that exits for the purpose of piloting the ship, hence why it's fused to everything
Scott's ideas/writing is pretty bad, and I state this as someone who defends him as an excellent director. He's great when he stays in his lane, but otherwise his creative decisions leave so much to be desired. Him shilling the stuff about it being ambigious if Deckard was a replicant or not was rightly decried by everyone from Ford to David Peoples, cause the story always worked so much better when he was unequivocally human
>everyone from Ford to David Peoples, cause the story always worked so much better when he was unequivocally human
But why did his eyes flash, bro? Also good bye horses.
They would have been bioengineered to pilot ships. Which leaves the question of why they would be dragging their asses around like this but hey, it's just concept art
The suit idea is fun for an alternate what-if storyline. It's better with comics when they're able to experiment with different ideas. Some can be good but it doesn't have to be exactly that way in others. Movies aren't really able to do that though and just end up pissing off a lot of people
What is everyone’s headcanon for it? I enjoyed Prometheus but thought it either didn’t go far enough or went too far. I think it’s better than most people seem to but I feel like it sits at an odd one foot in and one foot out situation, not quite a prequel, not quite just another story in the universe
That's pretty accurate. They couldn't decide what they wanted Prometheus to be and it ended up being a lukewarm, indecisive mess. I still liked it overall but it's painful to see the flashes of brilliance that never quite come together into the great movie that could have been.
spacejockey was suppose to be some kind of innately good ayylmao that just fell into a bad situation, sacrificed his life to contain the evil xenomorph and set up a warning signal to keep other sentients away. In a dark universe of evil corporations, space monsters, and so on, it was suppose to be part of the forces of good which was a common boomer concept. He's an angel, basically, that is sealing demons.
but now we live in the dark times where diversity and chronic stress make us see the entire universe as hostile, therefore engineers are now human hating genocidal white monsters, designed to reinforce the idea that white people arent human and secretly seek to destroy everyone else. be afraid, hate each other, the universe is evil and wants you dead for simply existing.
Mine is that the Engineers are just larping and the Space Jockey is a biomechanoid and not a guy in a suit.
>ridley makes a movie explainign space jockey is just a suit for a giant human >fans of alien continue to theorize what space jockey is >sequel to that movie explains that xenomorph is actually a lab experiment of some human built android from 2100's just slightly before the events of alien >fans continue to imagine the incredibly hostile planet xenos evolved on and what other potentially even more hazardous creatures live there
ridley is a hack
David didn't make it from scratch, something similar already existed before.
He's just a dude. An alien dude.
One of any number of aliens who ended up with Xenomorphs on their hands: a significant fricking amount of them given the number of eggs he had. He was trying to take them somewhere safe, maybe he had crew members who were killed by one egg or Xeno getting loose. Unlike Ripley he didn't escape, and he just had to make the choice to crash the ship on an abandoned planet and hope no one came to investigate.
I watched Prometheus completely unaware it was connected to Alien
As is I think it's a fine sci-fi movie but as part of Alien? goodness no, it doesn't make any sense unless it was meant to be a complete reboot
>why the frick did they think it was a good idea to retcon this thing
They must have seen Cinemaphile b***hing endlessly about "MYSTERY BOXES" and decided to remove all mystique from their previous films, like Disney is doing.
GUYS! Guys, hear me out, but what if, like, what if we make our alien pilot sit in a giant penis chair? And we'll put a bunch of veganas on the wall. He'll pilot this spaceship by turning his penis chair and shooting cum into the various veganas! This is gonna be huge!
it's almost like speculating the mystery was the fun of it and then ridley just says "actually the entire expansive lovecraftian universe with unexplained mysteries just boils down to humans"
There's a deleted arc of her and Dallas having a sexual relationship. They had even toyed with the idea that sex was pretty much free use while they were out flying on long trips. So Ripley would have been game
Sigourney Weaver wanted Ripley to have sex with the Xeno. That was one of the conditions she originally had for doing the other movies. Cameron talked her out of it for Aliens, though.
It just shows how much of a homosexual he really is. He also thought the scene near the end of Alien where Ripley strips down was “misogynistic” and removed all the psychosexual nature of the beast in general. I’m so glad 3 killed Newt immediately.
Ridley is a senile old boomer who wanted to make a film about mythological ancient alien human creators type film and decided to use his pre-existing IP instead of a new one. It's not canon. It's fan fiction from the original author.
>ridley makes a movie explainign space jockey is just a suit for a giant human >fans of alien continue to theorize what space jockey is >sequel to that movie explains that xenomorph is actually a lab experiment of some human built android from 2100's just slightly before the events of alien >fans continue to imagine the incredibly hostile planet xenos evolved on and what other potentially even more hazardous creatures live there
ridley is a hack
This series makes no sense since the black goo is all you need. The aliens themselves are a waste of resources' why would david create them. He wip[ed out the engineers with just the black goo.
>not elephant man Tapir race, but just an engineer with a face hunger melted in
The Prometheus script is a compromised bowdlerized mess forced on Spaight & Scott by the suits at Fox, choosing greenhorn nepo baby hack like Lindelhof to 'script doctor' it into the radically dumbed down bullshit set to screen. They didn't committ to the core myths or narratives around UFOlogy et. al. and failed to go into Indiana Jonesy territory with the ayylmao archaeology much less what these little green fricks believed themselves (or about us). With what they were going for a lot of world building fluff was required just to keep them on course, but that's not shoot from the hip Ridley.
I mean, that thing was always something you'd wonder about when you see the original. But if you wanna tap into that, you better have a good story and excellent rendition of it...which was not really the case.
I liked the idea it was all biological. Not a fricking space suit
Made me think it was a race that designed bodies for specific tasks. Like this dude was literally bred to sit in that chair and be a pilot for the ship
Would also explain the Aliens as their biological weapons. They genetically engineered their own race for jobs, why wouldn’t they engineer weapons to drop on a world. Alien eggs are basically just self replicating world destroyers and then they’d die out after they kill everything (until the idea of the alien queen and whatever was introduced I guess)
Also there’s just a very obvious inconsistency I’m shocked Ridley Scott overlooked or just didn’t give a shit about. The size difference between the space Jockey in Alien is massive compared to the one in Prometheus. He’s a giant with lanky limbs in Alien. He’s like 20 ft tall if he could stand up. Then they’re just 8 ft tall in Prometheus?
I liked the idea it was all biological. Not a fricking space suit
Made me think it was a race that designed bodies for specific tasks. Like this dude was literally bred to sit in that chair and be a pilot for the ship
Would also explain the Aliens as their biological weapons. They genetically engineered their own race for jobs, why wouldn’t they engineer weapons to drop on a world. Alien eggs are basically just self replicating world destroyers and then they’d die out after they kill everything (until the idea of the alien queen and whatever was introduced I guess)
Also there’s just a very obvious inconsistency I’m shocked Ridley Scott overlooked or just didn’t give a shit about. The size difference between the space Jockey in Alien is massive compared to the one in Prometheus. He’s a giant with lanky limbs in Alien. He’s like 20 ft tall if he could stand up. Then they’re just 8 ft tall in Prometheus?
Oh and by the way. The space jockey clearly has a mouth, teeth and tongue in Alien. It’s not a fricking space suit. It’s an alien body. Plus the ribs broken outwards from the alien that killed it
Actually I like this idea the best. Basic Engineers can be human-like, but the Space Jockey himself was custom built for the task of flying the ship
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Oh and by the way. The space jockey clearly has a mouth, teeth and tongue in Alien. It’s not a fricking space suit. It’s an alien body. Plus the ribs broken outwards from the alien that killed it
Here’s the retconned helmet in Prometheus. Just remove those parts and hope people didn’t notice I guess
The different kinds of Engineers could have aesthetic similarities too. For some it's just a suit and for others they are the suit.
It's just a fricking bipedal humanoid alien. Who cares if his elephant head got potentially retconned? Besides, for all we know, Giger might have intended it to have a human-like being inside it all along. Most of his art depicts humans embedded in biomechanical machinery.
It makes them cum while extracting milk and braps. The tube on the left sucks in the braps and leads right to my nose. There is another tube where I can sip on their milk.
It makes them cum while extracting milk and braps. The tube on the left sucks in the braps and leads right to my nose. There is another tube where I can sip on their milk.
what does the tube in the middle connected to her belly do?
leads its braps into the other tummy was second round processing for the extra brap power level. End product is pumped out of the big hose as that white smoke on top for final consumption. Kind of like a more classy human centipede
Imagine you've got a meeting with Ridley Scott before the production of Prometheus. How do you explain to him that this is wrong? While you're at it why don't you explain why the space axe is literally the worst thing ever and you actually deserve to direct the movie instead.
daily reminder that covenant had like an entire hour of footage for a whole different ending and also actual physical props for shit like the facehugger thing david was turning whatshername into
you know, the thing that only shows up in the actual movie as a piece of concept art put into the set
don't take this to mean it could have been better, only that it could have been different and possibly had more practical and less dogshit cg
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>Humans were created by some race of aliens, there boom that's the secret of existence chud
This is the dumbest shit ever. If aliens created humans then who created the aliens who created humans? Where did they come from? It doesn't really answer anything and only midwits think this idea is interesting.
That's addressed in the movie.
One of the crewmates asks Dr. Shaw if she still believes in god after the confirmation that the engineers created humanity, and she responds yes, because as you asked, who created the engineers? At the end of Prometheus, she still maintains her belief.
But of course you would have known that if you bothered watching the movie.
I watched it a decade ago and there was nothing worth remembering about it. If indeed that line is there then its an admission that its own plot is pointless.
Rise of the Lycans is the only example I can think of in which a prequel, the dreaded third film in a franchise no less, was the best one in the whole series. I was shocked too.
It did a good job recreating the feel of Alien and had some good moments, but then it became Wrenching Open Door Simulator and got boring. The novelization isn't bad, it's basically all the cutscenes plus extra character background with Amanda and her mom. And after a point it becomes clear that every NPC is going to die so why bother trying to save any of them.
if it is going to be done right it is going to be games. For live action set pieces done in that style are prohibitively expensive to make. Like the jockey from aliens 1 which back then in 1979 costed 20 million dollars to make which today would be over 80 million dollarinos. Fox was even pissed they showed so briefly the expensive set piece and wanted more screen time to which ridley&crew pushed back to keep the mystique.
as expensive as games are its infinitely more cheaper to create assets for 3d engines today then it is for live media. Maybe CGI if done by a competent crew
They should have stopped after Resurrection, but no. Instead they bring back Ridley Scott and let him assrape the lore into a pile of incoherent schizo bullshit that feels like a fanfic from /x/. If there's another film in the franchise it will supposedly be all about AI and synthetics, because Ridley finds the xenomorphs boring now.
Prometheus and Covenant were both flawed but enjoyable. They absolutely should not have stopped after Resurrection.
Prometheus is a solid scifi horror film which is burdened by being intentionally made dumber than it needs to be. It's full of excellent scenes. It just has shit ones.
Covenant is a mess but it had some fun ideas, and also has multiple great scenes.
if the space pilot is genetically engineered and part of the ship then why does he have 'hands' and looks at some sort of screen to navigate? Why wouldn't all this be engineered into the same package?
Tech limits. You can grow a being to operate a ship like a non-engineered pilot of the engineering race but not advanced enough to create some AI-like totally integrated orb that can do everything.
btw I have much the same complaint about giant space robots tilting their huge robot head to put their robot eye right behind the huge scope on their huge sniper rifle, instead of say, plugging in a cable to connect the rifle sight right into their robot brain.
prometheus should've just been space jockeys trying to cultivate the aliens (not having created them) for whatever purpose (could be trying to preserve their species for the sake of study, or maybe even a haughty hubristic metaphysical alien purpose) and then it goes wrong
the film would be like aliens but only with the xenomorph killing the prometheans/engineers
then the last engineer would try to regain control but the chestburster would kill him in the pilot seat as he plots the course
boom there's your movie
That would be lame. Prequels should never end exactly at the open of the original movie. And thr crash was supposed to be tens of thousands of years ago
>Prequels should never end exactly at the open of the original movie
There's no law that says they can't >tens of thousands of years ago
still could be set tens of thousands of years ago
because expanding on a biomechanical race that are fused to equipment would be difficult.
ridley took the easier option; mute beefy white dudes.
look at covenant; introduce a whole civilization of the frickers, then take the easy writing path of killing them all off before encountering any difficult to write interactions.
lazy fricking hack writing, no vision, no concept, no ideas.
He was originally going to have them speak. The engineer was supposed to have a rant about how shitty humans were compared to engineers like himself. He was supposed to speak "shakespearean"
>written by David Lindelof, JJ Abraham’s little ass monkey
“SUBVERTED XDDD” was all it was + it was some other scifi scripts they just haphazardly skinned with the alien franchise
It was actually kinda genius for them to make them equivalents to humans, tying it back with the original series on the mystery of creation. It was absolutely moronic for them to follow it up with Alien Covenant and irreversibly frick the entire timeline and chronology of events.
>It was actually kinda genius for them to make them equivalents to humans, tying it back with the original series on the mystery of creation.
That's peak midwit, overused and boring.
>irreversibly frick the entire timeline and chronology of events
Prometheus did that, not Covenant. Both are shit but Covrnant is just a sequel to Prometheus that picks up wher Prometheus left off.
I read Labyrinth a few days ago and it was alright. Kinda seemed like it inspired Prometheus a bit, because a guy performs self surgery to remove a dead alien embryo from his stomach.
So what did we think of Dark Descent? Haven't finished it yet but I'm pretty close to the end and so far it's been pretty kino. I'm really liking the plot point of how the cult is exploiting people with latent psychic potential in order to communicate with the alien hivemind in an effort to control it. I don't think this angle was explored yet in any other Alien media (maybe in the comics?)
New Aliens game. It's sort of an XCOM clone with lite base and squad management except it plays out in real time during missions. It's basically Gorman simulator where you're sitting in the APC and watching all your dudes walk into a suicide mission and get shredded by lmaos. The story and characters are surprisingly good though and unlike the usual XCOM clone games, the main characters in your base actually die and betray you as the story goes on so its a much more personal conflict than the usual games in this genre.
Every mission you deploy from the APC at designated drop points. The APC is stationary but is invincible, has infinite ammo, and basically oneshots any non-boss xeno that enters its line of sight, creating a sort of "safe" fallback area around it. You can also order the APC to move around the map to the different insertion points and your squad can even ride on it. You never get direct control of the vehicles other than that though and it's only helpful with a handful of objectives throughout the campaign since most of the action takes place indoors where it can't assist you. You also unlock air strikes about 1/3 into the game which is cool.
I'm still at the start, have to go into the mines. Seems okay so far, but it's glitchy as hell. I'll come back to it in a couple of months.
I haven't encountered many glitches myself besides some weird bugged voice lines, it feels like a stable game to me.
Lack of creative vision.
Too thought provoking for modern audiences.
That's a cop out.
Yeah all midwits love this thing
Pseuds like Lindelof appealing to pseuds like this moron here
Standard franchise sack-riding.
Ridley thought of it as a suit since the 90s for some reason. It's too big to be an Engineer though, they should make it a different race.
The suit idea is fun for an alternate what-if storyline. It's better with comics when they're able to experiment with different ideas. Some can be good but it doesn't have to be exactly that way in others. Movies aren't really able to do that though and just end up pissing off a lot of people
Barbar killing bugs.
Thought it was a giant alien facehugger on him.
Do you mean Babar?
Sorry retconned to barbar
Babar was set 97 years ago. I wonder if ~~*they*~~, would have destroyed Celesteville with immigration by this point? I'd kind of be interested to see how the elephants had developed by the 22 or 23 hundreds. Utopian space aged elephant society. How would history judge babar, the founder of their society. Are his descendants still royalty?
Ugly shitty armor and ugly shitty xeno, I'm glad they retconned this shit.
Fricking hate comics
You're entitled to your gay opinion, but I think the comics are a lot of fun. Some of the old ones are shit and some of the new ones are both shit and woke and have atrocious art (like the original screenplay Marvel one), but all in all, pretty good.
So basically, by your own admission you like shit
Shit tier opinion. Comics are just a story telling medium and the quality should be judged by the artistic merit of the work itself. I could see you having the opinion ‘I hate Alien comics’ as rather broad as that might be, but to hate an entire medium of artistic expression is midwit at best.
God fricking morons inhabit this board. Trolling used to at least be clever, now it’s just such boring hate-baiting.
>Movies aren't really able to do that though
they can if they are cynical enough
thy rebooted spider man 3 times brought the reboots back
they are remaking justice league for the third time too
Ridley was dumb for not introducing multiverses
Maybe the gigantic pilot Nostromo found is Space Marine equivalent of the Engineers
Ridley is a great hired gun director but he's shown repeatedly he needs someone else to do the thinking for him .
I wish they could have lured Cameron back. Imagine two more James Cameron Xenokinos instead of the Prometheus saga and all the Avatar Sequels
I wouldn't want Cameron back. He can make a good single movie, but they're obviously never meant to be a continuing story or set up for sequels. It would end up like Avatar 2. Entertaining, pretty to look at, but scratching your head 'why this and that happened' because he's just making it up as he goes along.
Even though Blomkamp kinda sucks but I think his Alien 5 would've been enjoyable
Some of his ideas were wild, but I think it would have been enjoyable overall. At least get the story back to the timeframe where to the was best. I wonder who would have played adult Newt.
He hasn't made anything decent after District 9, so it probably would've been dogshit as well.
>He can make a good single movie, but they're obviously never meant to be a continuing story or set up for sequels.
Are we just going to ignore Terminator 2?
If you were left scratching your head after Avatar 2 you must be dumber than a chimpanzee.
Look, I like Avatar and all, but Avatar 2 had one of the stupidest stories around. It was very idiotic and very few things made sense other than to look pretty, show off the violence, and have shooty explosion scenes. He didn't have an idea where it should go after the first one, and his original idea was even worse, with the Na'vi putting on space suits and attacking the spaceships
There's nothing wrong with Avatar 2, bro. Is a great movie bro, with great writing and plot, bro.
Pretty much. People will cope all day long but Cameron perfected the formula and Aliens is still the most fondly remembered movie in the franchise. It had the great character dynamics, the action along with the horror and the suspense. The first one is a classic for sure but it doesn't have the same charm whilst the sequel takes everything good about the original while adding shit load of character and defining characteristics. If Cameron had been given the rights, the franchise wouldn't be so dead in the water.
if they've learned anything (they haven't) this shit will get kept out the next film
>soldiers that are interchangeable who die before we learn anything about them
>PATHOGENS AIRBORNE ILLNESS
>xeno xeno xeno xeno (or alternatively neo neo neo neo)
>tons more gore and creatures bursting out chests
and if we do the exact same thing once again with a female protagonist being set up as a hero... just to get massacred by david's boring ass... holy shit
yup. it's the ultimate basic b***h pleb indication to go on about
>alien is the greatest horror film ever
>but aliens is a dumb action film!
alien had a ton of conceits that never get talked about like how harry dean stanton is just casually calmly looking for a cat with his guard down after an alien burst out another crew-mate's chest and then squiggled away. aliens actually has heart and emotional themes going on whereas alien is a haunted house process of elimination one-by-one type deal. they all knew that ash designed the homing device but not a single person even looks towards ash when dallas is struggling to understand the radar? nobody has any questions for ash after that?
yeah he's senile he reported said
>i don't see why aliens can't be as big as star wars
then he gives us a bunch more xeno torture porn covenant was like a fricking saw film
He just needs a final product great 10/10 script and he can do the rest with decent acting talent, but Prometheus was always going to be half-baked after bringing in Lindelhof to dick with the screenplay no matter who was directing. At best you would've had a sneaky fricker letting the actors impov a lot of the dialogue, or discretely just filming the original script.
that's a lot of loyalty for a hired gun
Another Cameron "women are badass too" popcorn action movie, Alien deserves better
It wa just like the first movie then. But better.
I don't mind it being a suit, but it should reflect the actual appearance of the Engineers more.
They don't have to be these goofy legless elephant things, but don't have such a human-like form.
>actual alien looking beings - goofy
>just humans but bald, pale and twice as tall - this is the best alien creature ever!!
the engineers look great. they are humanoid but obviously not human, there is a bit of uncanny valley effect about them. these prequels should have been all about them then they would have been great.
youre a fricking moron with shit taste. they look horrible. go watch avengers, its more your speed champ
those are not engineers but their less evolved spawn.
no they're cool, like synthetic humans. engineers, ai, god, these are themes ridley wanted to explore but shitted himself along the way.
>immense headcanon coping
will ferrell looking motherfricker on the left
planet full of wojaks, soijacks and chudjaks
CAM ON DAVID DROP SAM FACKIN GOO!
makeup expensive please understand
>Americans 1950s
>Americans 2050s
>uncanny valley
(°0°)/
the problem is they don't look alien at all. in a franchise called alien, with themes of "otherness", cosmic horror, of the unknown and what weird shit lurks out in space and has done for millions of years. The space ship, the eggs, xenomorph, face hugger, and yes the spacejockey were all so different and unlike anything living or dead on Earth.
then they make the engineers practically indistinguishable from humans after all. and yeah I know they maybe seeded our planet with life or some gay shit making us the aliens all along not them but frick that.
Ridley watched Eva and got 'inspired'
would
No I mean those various interpretations of the Engineers in concept art and comics AND the ones in Prometheus are dumb.
See this dude like fused to his chair and stuff? Looks cool, but it's obvious not what he actually looks like. It's gotta be some kind of suit, but the guys in Prometheus are too boring looking. Also the Engineers should be like 20 feet tall.
I liked the idea that the Pilot simply melded with the chair. The tech was all biomechanical. Fusing with technology is the logical end state.
If Pilot had friends walking around in different roles they’d look different too. You just get a rough idea that they’re gigantic and have an alien skull. Nothing that makes sense with engineers.
If you wanted to do engineers make the Pilot another biomechanical creation of theirs. Slave race? Heavily modified engineer trapped in the seat forever.
“It’s a guy in a suit” is the least interesting and thematically dissonant answer you could give.
Engineers in general are an uninteresting concept. Humans develop lightspeed travel, get out to some random remote deep space planet, find this ancient ship with fossilized aliens from tens of thousands of years ago, oh, no actually, they're just big humans, they created humans and wanted to kill all humans but mucked it up. Prometheus shouldn't be connected to Alien and it'd be interesting.
Don’t forget that they only wanted to kill humans because humanity killed Jesus
Ironically the most interesting stuff about them can only be found in Lindelof's script, someone post the image.
>The tech was all biomechanical. Fusing with technology is the logical end state.
This. Also technology is so advanced his race stopped being full bio long, long time ago.
He's the Alien ship's MUTHER. They evolved past the need for technology because they became the technology. The entire ship was alive at one point and he was the brain. Cant have a space jockey thread without saying it but I always thought their planet would look like Scorn, except instead of being pain based it'd be sacrifice based. They'd sacrifice their autonomous bodies to become space ships or library indexes or vault doors.
Also why are there so many Alien/Pormetheus threads lately, is there a new one coming out?
>Also why are there so many Alien/Pormetheus threads lately, is there a new one coming out?
they pop up constantly for years. You have not just being paying attention.
main reason is because everybody is dead tired of the run down xenos but the biomechanical concept itself is a pool almost completely untapped. Thus you have things like Scorn gaining a lot of attention when it released even when the gameplay itself was extremely mediocre
>not paying attention
Probably. Ive only been here for like 3 years and it just suddenly stuck out this summer that every thread for a while was Barbie, Oppenheimer and... Prometheus? I think you're on the right track though, with the rapid acceleration of technology and how we're slowly melding our entire lives into our devices its like our subconscious is screaming at us craving the disgusting dystopian biohack aesthetic as like a defense mechanism. And Prometheus and Scorn are the only pieces of media that have even tried it so far. I hope something flawless comes out soon that has that design philosophy but I dont really expect it.
>every thread for a while was Barbie, Oppenheimer and... Prometheus?
based kinometheus saving Cinemaphile 'log
Respectfully, lurk more. There are quite a few other "pieces of media" that have done this. Novels before even Alien was a thing specifically.
I'm sure there is, like Videodrome or Existenz, Robocop sorta... Got any recommendations though for techno body horror that aren't by Cronenburg and are from this century? I'm serious the only one I can think of is Cube and that's kind of tangential to the concept.
If there's anything about Prometheus that pisses me off it's just that. The mystery around that big ass ayy lmao mummified in the ship was kino and now it's just some gay pilot suit or something.
Why do the tubes go to its nipples?
Weyland-Yutani is trying to break into the alien milk industry.
Now, 2070. Due to the massive birth increase, we’re gonna have a shortage of milk. What this means is, the neo-earth-good-government-league is gonna have to genetically modify all humans, male and female, to lactate once a month. Once every month, you’re gonna be going to a lactation processing center where they’ll hook ya up to all kinds of weird things.
Uh, now, due to some fluke, about 3% of the population produces milk, uh, about 500% as much milk. So they’re gonna have to be farmed constantly. And it’s very painful, but they’re gonna be rounded up by FEMA and their milk will serve the greater good.
He's done sucking and fricking, now it's his time to sneed and feed
i look like that wth
Just be yourself bro
nice wiener bro
Wat in the frick is that
The real space jockey. It doesn't have any legs in that chair
Suit and the legs are set in the chair.
No. Biologically integrated with the technology of its ship.
Nah ur
What thats alien penis thing with mouth? His detatched removal legs?
It's supposed to be reminiscent of a pilot's oxygen mask.
no the pilot's oxygen mask is an unconscious manifestation of a racial memory of the navigator, who is btw a replicant.
That's the most claustrophobic seat ever
that is the brain of the ship designed and grown since it was created. The pilot was fused to the wienerpit and never detachable FFS
Imagine a giant robotic fat man hovering over your landscape
Literally the only thing that makes sense here is these aliens living according to an extremely rigorous eugenics and caste system, meaning these guys are assigned as navigators at birth and are then just grafter onto the ship. This is why it's the only carcass on board: it was either the only crew member, or the only one who could get away.
could not*
yea this is what fanboys like me having been raging on for years. Biomechanics as depicted in gigers paintings or creations like the jockey means custom evolved biological entities with mechanical purpose. The entire thing is (was) alive, it was grown not built and with the fused pilot in the seat serving as its brain and central control. Xenos in this context are rather basic predatory parasites. For all its purposes it could have been just a regular cargo ship much like the nostromo
Creativity is really dead in modern media production as there is so much you can do if apply some imagination. When you can create living things from scratch specifically evolved for specific tasks with extreme endurance/strength/intelligence. Finally on top evolutionary properties as these biological machines adopt to their local surroundings. Like when xenos inherent traits from its host to better suit its new enivronment while still maintaining impressive qualities like being able to survive in hard vaccum of space.
berlowe art is wild. this image always creeped the shit out of me
barlowe*
Well said and agreed. Have a (You).
>Space Jockeys surround an Engineer
it was a guild navigator high on spice
Shut up gay
I like the idea of biomechanical aliens - people and animals grown into machinery. Basically borg.
the ultimate coom chair
Looking at this image right now, the idea clicked with me that the Space Jockey simply could have been an artificial being like the xenos engineered by someone else for the purpose of piloting these ships, as the real creators of both really don't want to be on the same ships contaminated with the xeno eggs. The Space Jockey is nothing more than a bio-engineered being that exits for the purpose of piloting the ship, hence why it's fused to everything
It's beyond comprehension and Scott looked at it and thought "yep, a pale skinned bald man"
He turned out to be a disaster for Alien.
Scott's ideas/writing is pretty bad, and I state this as someone who defends him as an excellent director. He's great when he stays in his lane, but otherwise his creative decisions leave so much to be desired. Him shilling the stuff about it being ambigious if Deckard was a replicant or not was rightly decried by everyone from Ford to David Peoples, cause the story always worked so much better when he was unequivocally human
>everyone from Ford to David Peoples, cause the story always worked so much better when he was unequivocally human
But why did his eyes flash, bro? Also good bye horses.
That's the point 🙂
we were robbed
frick off. it looks capeshit tier at best
how would a species that looks like that become spacefaring
They would have been bioengineered to pilot ships. Which leaves the question of why they would be dragging their asses around like this but hey, it's just concept art
Reminds me of new xeno from Dark Descent
pretty sure that's a direct inspiration for that
where are the feathers
They're aliens, not dinosaurs. Unless the dinosaurs were aliens... wait a second, that would explain everything, don't let the glowi
What is everyone’s headcanon for it? I enjoyed Prometheus but thought it either didn’t go far enough or went too far. I think it’s better than most people seem to but I feel like it sits at an odd one foot in and one foot out situation, not quite a prequel, not quite just another story in the universe
That's pretty accurate. They couldn't decide what they wanted Prometheus to be and it ended up being a lukewarm, indecisive mess. I still liked it overall but it's painful to see the flashes of brilliance that never quite come together into the great movie that could have been.
spacejockey was suppose to be some kind of innately good ayylmao that just fell into a bad situation, sacrificed his life to contain the evil xenomorph and set up a warning signal to keep other sentients away. In a dark universe of evil corporations, space monsters, and so on, it was suppose to be part of the forces of good which was a common boomer concept. He's an angel, basically, that is sealing demons.
but now we live in the dark times where diversity and chronic stress make us see the entire universe as hostile, therefore engineers are now human hating genocidal white monsters, designed to reinforce the idea that white people arent human and secretly seek to destroy everyone else. be afraid, hate each other, the universe is evil and wants you dead for simply existing.
Mine is that the Engineers are just larping and the Space Jockey is a biomechanoid and not a guy in a suit.
David didn't make it from scratch, something similar already existed before.
He's just a dude. An alien dude.
One of any number of aliens who ended up with Xenomorphs on their hands: a significant fricking amount of them given the number of eggs he had. He was trying to take them somewhere safe, maybe he had crew members who were killed by one egg or Xeno getting loose. Unlike Ripley he didn't escape, and he just had to make the choice to crash the ship on an abandoned planet and hope no one came to investigate.
Prometheus is not good, but was very needed to expand the franchise because all the xenomorph stuff had been so overused
I watched Prometheus completely unaware it was connected to Alien
As is I think it's a fine sci-fi movie but as part of Alien? goodness no, it doesn't make any sense unless it was meant to be a complete reboot
Covenant sucked dicke tho
>why the frick did they think it was a good idea to retcon this thing
They must have seen Cinemaphile b***hing endlessly about "MYSTERY BOXES" and decided to remove all mystique from their previous films, like Disney is doing.
Consider Geiger probably designed this suit, the trunk looking thing was probably meant to be sucking its own wiener.
Wow, he's literally me.
we didnt need to know what the space jockey was it was better kept mysterious
GUYS! Guys, hear me out, but what if, like, what if we make our alien pilot sit in a giant penis chair? And we'll put a bunch of veganas on the wall. He'll pilot this spaceship by turning his penis chair and shooting cum into the various veganas! This is gonna be huge!
Why were they so huge in the real movie but slightly bigger than a human in prome?
They used child actors to make the space jockey look bigger.
he didn't ask how he asked why
Because movies.
Ridley hoped you wouldnt notice or ask questions
>Comics says it's 'The Original Screenplay'
>Doesn't end with Alien killing Not!Ripley and speaking Captain's log
What a waste
That was Scott's idea, it was never in the screenplay.
>ancient extraterrestrial alien god thing
>it's always a humanoid with a weird head
It just werks
>Hello, I am David, an android created by Ridl-ACK!
>we'll never get a proper alien vs predator movie set in the future instead of modern day
it's fricking over
>Silksong is never, ever coming out
It hurts to live
born to suffer
Because space elephants are fricking stupid.
that's kind of hot
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/o2OG8W
it has a 3D model you can rotate
Imagine the smell
kek it looks like that one gif of the girl in bdsm gear strapped to the scooter
My thoughts exactly.
>Get on
There’s no way your getting on that thing without penetrated in some way.
Staplerfahrer Simulator 2199
>midwits endlessly speculate about it for decades
>filmmaker decides to expand on something that interests the fans
>[autistic noises]
it's almost like speculating the mystery was the fun of it and then ridley just says "actually the entire expansive lovecraftian universe with unexplained mysteries just boils down to humans"
Based. Frick those nerds. Humans are the ultimate beings in the universe.
Dos it hav bob and vagene wat is retcon you man rectum?
Scott thinking he should own the entire franchise despite not even writing the original film's script
also, i dont understand the size discrepancy from the first film compared to the one in prometheus
it would actually make sense that the space jocky had to stay behind due to its mutated size
All I know is Ripley owes me sex.
There's a deleted arc of her and Dallas having a sexual relationship. They had even toyed with the idea that sex was pretty much free use while they were out flying on long trips. So Ripley would have been game
You can tell by the way they talk and when she finds him dying.
Sigourney Weaver wanted Ripley to have sex with the Xeno. That was one of the conditions she originally had for doing the other movies. Cameron talked her out of it for Aliens, though.
It made some sense for Alien Resurrection. Other than the natural desire to frick a monster.
It just shows how much of a homosexual he really is. He also thought the scene near the end of Alien where Ripley strips down was “misogynistic” and removed all the psychosexual nature of the beast in general. I’m so glad 3 killed Newt immediately.
Ridley is a senile old boomer who wanted to make a film about mythological ancient alien human creators type film and decided to use his pre-existing IP instead of a new one. It's not canon. It's fan fiction from the original author.
>ridley makes a movie explainign space jockey is just a suit for a giant human
>fans of alien continue to theorize what space jockey is
>sequel to that movie explains that xenomorph is actually a lab experiment of some human built android from 2100's just slightly before the events of alien
>fans continue to imagine the incredibly hostile planet xenos evolved on and what other potentially even more hazardous creatures live there
ridley is a hack
>ridley makes kino
>manchildren stay stuck in the past
Sounds about right. Frick aliens fans theyre the worst plebeian morons
This series makes no sense since the black goo is all you need. The aliens themselves are a waste of resources' why would david create them. He wip[ed out the engineers with just the black goo.
>not elephant man Tapir race, but just an engineer with a face hunger melted in
The Prometheus script is a compromised bowdlerized mess forced on Spaight & Scott by the suits at Fox, choosing greenhorn nepo baby hack like Lindelhof to 'script doctor' it into the radically dumbed down bullshit set to screen. They didn't committ to the core myths or narratives around UFOlogy et. al. and failed to go into Indiana Jonesy territory with the ayylmao archaeology much less what these little green fricks believed themselves (or about us). With what they were going for a lot of world building fluff was required just to keep them on course, but that's not shoot from the hip Ridley.
I mean, that thing was always something you'd wonder about when you see the original. But if you wanna tap into that, you better have a good story and excellent rendition of it...which was not really the case.
I liked the idea it was all biological. Not a fricking space suit
Made me think it was a race that designed bodies for specific tasks. Like this dude was literally bred to sit in that chair and be a pilot for the ship
Would also explain the Aliens as their biological weapons. They genetically engineered their own race for jobs, why wouldn’t they engineer weapons to drop on a world. Alien eggs are basically just self replicating world destroyers and then they’d die out after they kill everything (until the idea of the alien queen and whatever was introduced I guess)
Also there’s just a very obvious inconsistency I’m shocked Ridley Scott overlooked or just didn’t give a shit about. The size difference between the space Jockey in Alien is massive compared to the one in Prometheus. He’s a giant with lanky limbs in Alien. He’s like 20 ft tall if he could stand up. Then they’re just 8 ft tall in Prometheus?
Oh and by the way. The space jockey clearly has a mouth, teeth and tongue in Alien. It’s not a fricking space suit. It’s an alien body. Plus the ribs broken outwards from the alien that killed it
Here’s the retconned helmet in Prometheus. Just remove those parts and hope people didn’t notice I guess
where to grind to plvl from lvl 1 human to lvl 426 space jockey???
Actually I like this idea the best. Basic Engineers can be human-like, but the Space Jockey himself was custom built for the task of flying the ship
The different kinds of Engineers could have aesthetic similarities too. For some it's just a suit and for others they are the suit.
>the Space Jockey himself was custom built for the task of flying the ship
>You know what would make it a better pilot? Being BIGGER
moron
Cringe
Suspicious amount of alien threads recently. Market research to gauge engagement with a new project?
early engagement shilling for alien:romulus I expect
Was thinking the same thing. There have been a huge uptick in alien threads
It's a new character in troon by daylight
>retcon
There literally was no data on it.
It's just a fricking bipedal humanoid alien. Who cares if his elephant head got potentially retconned? Besides, for all we know, Giger might have intended it to have a human-like being inside it all along. Most of his art depicts humans embedded in biomechanical machinery.
I wonder what that machine does?
It makes them cum while extracting milk and braps. The tube on the left sucks in the braps and leads right to my nose. There is another tube where I can sip on their milk.
what does the tube in the middle connected to her belly do?
leads its braps into the other tummy was second round processing for the extra brap power level. End product is pumped out of the big hose as that white smoke on top for final consumption. Kind of like a more classy human centipede
Imagine you've got a meeting with Ridley Scott before the production of Prometheus. How do you explain to him that this is wrong? While you're at it why don't you explain why the space axe is literally the worst thing ever and you actually deserve to direct the movie instead.
I will never forgive Scott for that. I will ignore his shit (he only directed the original Alien he was like fifth most important decision maker).
daily reminder that covenant had like an entire hour of footage for a whole different ending and also actual physical props for shit like the facehugger thing david was turning whatshername into
you know, the thing that only shows up in the actual movie as a piece of concept art put into the set
don't take this to mean it could have been better, only that it could have been different and possibly had more practical and less dogshit cg
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>Humans were created by some race of aliens, there boom that's the secret of existence chud
This is the dumbest shit ever. If aliens created humans then who created the aliens who created humans? Where did they come from? It doesn't really answer anything and only midwits think this idea is interesting.
That's addressed in the movie.
One of the crewmates asks Dr. Shaw if she still believes in god after the confirmation that the engineers created humanity, and she responds yes, because as you asked, who created the engineers? At the end of Prometheus, she still maintains her belief.
But of course you would have known that if you bothered watching the movie.
I watched it a decade ago and there was nothing worth remembering about it. If indeed that line is there then its an admission that its own plot is pointless.
Engineers worship aliens.
>Aliens created the Engineers
>Who created the Aliens
>I dunno
Very deep
Has a prequel ever worked apart from taking fan's money?
Rise of the Lycans is the only example I can think of in which a prequel, the dreaded third film in a franchise no less, was the best one in the whole series. I was shocked too.
>Has a prequel ever worked
Orphan: First Kill would be an example for a recent prequel that turned out to be quite decent.
Though it's a prequel in name only and basically the same movie, but with an extra twist that makes a very similar story interesting again.
The Dark Crystal prequel series that was on Netflix was arguably superior to the original movie.
The Star Wars Prequels :^)
>What if we were created by aliens
>That doesn't answer anything about the origin of life
>But like, what if bro
Yeah what if I don't give a frick
the only genuinely good alien things are alien and alien isolation
aliens is good but pretty moronic
>alien isolation
btw im trans dont know if that matters
>troony likes alien isolation
so surprised
It did a good job recreating the feel of Alien and had some good moments, but then it became Wrenching Open Door Simulator and got boring. The novelization isn't bad, it's basically all the cutscenes plus extra character background with Amanda and her mom. And after a point it becomes clear that every NPC is going to die so why bother trying to save any of them.
Hello woman/homosexual.
>Cinemaphileerminshit
I've never watched Alien movies, yet I've watched Cinema Tyler's videos on the behind the scenes. That shit is peak comfy.
Watch Alien and Aliens and then stop
all alien movies are good
its a shame scorn turned out to be kind of shit. I wish we had more games or movies that were like HR giger
if it is going to be done right it is going to be games. For live action set pieces done in that style are prohibitively expensive to make. Like the jockey from aliens 1 which back then in 1979 costed 20 million dollars to make which today would be over 80 million dollarinos. Fox was even pissed they showed so briefly the expensive set piece and wanted more screen time to which ridley&crew pushed back to keep the mystique.
as expensive as games are its infinitely more cheaper to create assets for 3d engines today then it is for live media. Maybe CGI if done by a competent crew
They should have stopped after Resurrection, but no. Instead they bring back Ridley Scott and let him assrape the lore into a pile of incoherent schizo bullshit that feels like a fanfic from /x/. If there's another film in the franchise it will supposedly be all about AI and synthetics, because Ridley finds the xenomorphs boring now.
Frick that man with a soldering iron.
Prometheus and Covenant were both flawed but enjoyable. They absolutely should not have stopped after Resurrection.
Prometheus is a solid scifi horror film which is burdened by being intentionally made dumber than it needs to be. It's full of excellent scenes. It just has shit ones.
Covenant is a mess but it had some fun ideas, and also has multiple great scenes.
the only thing bad about prometheus is that the space jockey is supposed to be just a bigger human
a dude with a silly makeup was cheaper to make
I remember watching this years ago, I think its a good interpretation of the Engineers/Space Jockey suit and design
if the space pilot is genetically engineered and part of the ship then why does he have 'hands' and looks at some sort of screen to navigate? Why wouldn't all this be engineered into the same package?
Tech limits. You can grow a being to operate a ship like a non-engineered pilot of the engineering race but not advanced enough to create some AI-like totally integrated orb that can do everything.
btw I have much the same complaint about giant space robots tilting their huge robot head to put their robot eye right behind the huge scope on their huge sniper rifle, instead of say, plugging in a cable to connect the rifle sight right into their robot brain.
Who’s ‘they’ and when or how was this retconed?
How did a facehugger impregnate the space jockey, assuming it's not just a humanoid wearing a piloting suit?
Up his ass, like I impregnated yo momma (that's why you're black).
>hello my baby, hello my honey
"le actually it was" creative bankruptcy
prometheus should've just been space jockeys trying to cultivate the aliens (not having created them) for whatever purpose (could be trying to preserve their species for the sake of study, or maybe even a haughty hubristic metaphysical alien purpose) and then it goes wrong
the film would be like aliens but only with the xenomorph killing the prometheans/engineers
then the last engineer would try to regain control but the chestburster would kill him in the pilot seat as he plots the course
boom there's your movie
That would be lame. Prequels should never end exactly at the open of the original movie. And thr crash was supposed to be tens of thousands of years ago
>Prequels should never end exactly at the open of the original movie
There's no law that says they can't
>tens of thousands of years ago
still could be set tens of thousands of years ago
Someone should dress up as prometheus for halloween
>why the frick did they think it was a good idea to retcon this thing
Anklepants?
because expanding on a biomechanical race that are fused to equipment would be difficult.
ridley took the easier option; mute beefy white dudes.
look at covenant; introduce a whole civilization of the frickers, then take the easy writing path of killing them all off before encountering any difficult to write interactions.
lazy fricking hack writing, no vision, no concept, no ideas.
He was originally going to have them speak. The engineer was supposed to have a rant about how shitty humans were compared to engineers like himself. He was supposed to speak "shakespearean"
"I've seen things you tiny little people wouldn't believe"
yup, i have also read much of the behind the scenes.
there were some good ideas that they chickened out on and it compromised the whole work
>written by David Lindelof, JJ Abraham’s little ass monkey
“SUBVERTED XDDD” was all it was + it was some other scifi scripts they just haphazardly skinned with the alien franchise
the comics had some weird shit
>AC/DC kicks in
>*snoooooooorrrrrrrrt* ahhh HOOOOOOoooo FRICK YEAH LETS DRAW THIS ALIEN COMIC
jeri is a gudboi
Comics are the only medium that can have fun with a series and entertain weird ideas
Agreed. The comics are a lot of fun. Like a big sandbox to play around with alien concepts
But this one needs a movie/miniseries adaptation
whomst?
I'm guessing he's like Weyland's version of the "Token Klingon"
It was actually kinda genius for them to make them equivalents to humans, tying it back with the original series on the mystery of creation. It was absolutely moronic for them to follow it up with Alien Covenant and irreversibly frick the entire timeline and chronology of events.
>It was actually kinda genius for them to make them equivalents to humans, tying it back with the original series on the mystery of creation.
That's peak midwit, overused and boring.
>irreversibly frick the entire timeline and chronology of events
Prometheus did that, not Covenant. Both are shit but Covrnant is just a sequel to Prometheus that picks up wher Prometheus left off.
Bro all these Alien comics look fricking lame are any of them actually good
I read Labyrinth a few days ago and it was alright. Kinda seemed like it inspired Prometheus a bit, because a guy performs self surgery to remove a dead alien embryo from his stomach.
Yes, Newt and Hicks are still alive in them
If Alien is so good why there isn't an Alien 2? Checkmate Xenomorphs!
>He looks as bored as I was watching this lazy shit.
>Is this xenomorph pee?
>Where did you get it?
I just came to say Prometheus is one of the worst “films” ever made but somehow it’s kino…
So what did we think of Dark Descent? Haven't finished it yet but I'm pretty close to the end and so far it's been pretty kino. I'm really liking the plot point of how the cult is exploiting people with latent psychic potential in order to communicate with the alien hivemind in an effort to control it. I don't think this angle was explored yet in any other Alien media (maybe in the comics?)
Pic related, my team of ultimate badasses
Wtf is dark descent?
New Aliens game. It's sort of an XCOM clone with lite base and squad management except it plays out in real time during missions. It's basically Gorman simulator where you're sitting in the APC and watching all your dudes walk into a suicide mission and get shredded by lmaos. The story and characters are surprisingly good though and unlike the usual XCOM clone games, the main characters in your base actually die and betray you as the story goes on so its a much more personal conflict than the usual games in this genre.
Is it on PS4 ?
I'm still at the start, have to go into the mines. Seems okay so far, but it's glitchy as hell. I'll come back to it in a couple of months.
Haven't played it, but I heard it uses art and ideas for the old space jockeys and that makes me happy
Can you do anything with the vehicles
Every mission you deploy from the APC at designated drop points. The APC is stationary but is invincible, has infinite ammo, and basically oneshots any non-boss xeno that enters its line of sight, creating a sort of "safe" fallback area around it. You can also order the APC to move around the map to the different insertion points and your squad can even ride on it. You never get direct control of the vehicles other than that though and it's only helpful with a handful of objectives throughout the campaign since most of the action takes place indoors where it can't assist you. You also unlock air strikes about 1/3 into the game which is cool.
I haven't encountered many glitches myself besides some weird bugged voice lines, it feels like a stable game to me.
I didn't like the gameplay so I watched some of the story on YT and it seems cool, I like the cyborg cultist and the end.
It's pretty fun
I'm on my second playthrough now