He wasn't mediocre, that's the point. He was as good as any musician could be after a lifetime of hard work. He just wasn't a genius with a gift from God, whereas Mozart was despite being a farting, giggling little ungodly rascal.
Remember that Salieri wasn't just religious, he was extremely religious. Any man who had devoted his life to art and God would see the gift Mozart had (a gift Salieri would have seen as given by God) and be thrown into doubts about everything he thought he had previously believed about God. It was a huge slap in the face for him.
Imagine thinking yourself a genius, everyone around you thinking you are a genius, getting to high status and becoming so convinced of your gift that you start to believe god himself has blessed you personally, for your hard work and skill. Now imagine that some borderline moronic pissant crashes your party, hasn’t worked a day in his life, cares more about fart jokes and breasts than the harpsichord, and yet still casually mogs you and any version of you you could possibly imagine. And not only that, he is so good that him simply being makes a mockery of you. Would make any man crumble, tbh.
I’m just confused why he didn’t take advantage of those magnificent breasts after he made her whip them out and everything. Even in weakness, salieri still a stronger man than I could ever be.
The crippling realization that despite your hard work, there exists someone who's just genetically gifted and is better than you at your craft just because of an accident of DNA. Then it turns out that guy is also pretty crass, impolite, doesn't seem to care much about the craft in question (at least initially) and he constantly yet innocently rubs his massive talent in your face as your social circle is increasingly more fond of him than of yourself.
And yet Salieri was the Holy Roman Emperor's own court composer while Mozart fumbled about life trying to not be broke, and in the end he died in poverty and was buried in an unmarked pauper's grave.
Oh look, it's that guy who has to come in and reveal some trivia he overheard in previous discussions to make himself feel like he's smart and/or contributing to the current discussion.
The crippling realization that despite your hard work, there exists someone who's just genetically gifted and is better than you at your craft just because of an accident of DNA. Then it turns out that guy is also pretty crass, impolite, doesn't seem to care much about the craft in question (at least initially) and he constantly yet innocently rubs his massive talent in your face as your social circle is increasingly more fond of him than of yourself.
>wrote and orchestrated all his own music >wrote all the libretto's >designed all of his sets and production designed >created early concept of spotlight and lighting design in theater >fully realized the concept of the pit orchestra
Absolutely god-like theatrical genius. And this is to say nothing of his essays, which give us further insight into his socio-political genius and understanding. We will never see another like him, closest comparison is maybe Sondheim.
The whole movie is anti-gentile propoganda, written by a self-hating israelite. Mozart had a good sense of humor, but was professional in every senseof the word, and we have 550+ letters that document how tirelessly he worked, what little tolerance he had for debauchery and laziness, and how devout a Christian (and interestingly enough, freemason) he was.
Nice cope to justify the enormous character assassination of Mozart. The movie does not portray it solely from Sallieri's perspective, either. There are several scene's where Sallieri is completely absent. And in real life, they barely had a relationship. Mozart mentions him off-hand in two of his 553 letters. The entire film is a fictitious character assassination of the highest order, to cater to mid-wits like you.
No, it isn't. Several rehearsal scene's and his death scene do not include him. It is anti-gentile propoganda by a talentless writer who uses Mozarts name to gain recognition. Mozart did not just create his opera's perfectly out of his head like the movie depicts. He worked tirelessly and revised them endlessly. He hated debauchery, womanizing and laziness, yet the movie depicts him loving all three. Stop defending this movie.
NTA but I watched it yesterday and there are scenes that have nothing to do with Salieri. Like when Mozarts father arrives in Vienna and he gets of on the wrong foot with Mozarts wife because she spent half the day sleeping.
>The entire film is a fictitious character assassination of the highest order, to cater to mid-wits like you.
No, it's pure kino and one of the best movies ever made. The fact it takes creative liberties with the historical truth is fine because of that.
Let's see your historically accurate Mozart drama, shall we? Oh wait, nobody asked for it and it would be a piece of shit.
Stop believing that movies present facts
Even documentaries are biased in the footage they show/edit, contrary viewpoints not expanded upon etc.
Please let everyone else know, too, because I'm tired of a complicated disaster turned into Leo's frozen corpse and Kate's breasts
Lightly fictionalized a character for dramatic effect, but maintaining that historical figures dignity and general likeness is one thing. Depicting them as acting and behaving in ways they expressly hated and condemned in their own words and writings is another. This movie portrayed Mozart in such a contrary manner to what the real Mozart professed to believe, that I cannot possibly conclude any other reason than it was done so intentionally as a complete character assassination. And in my personal view, anti-gentile propoganda.
I imagine any maestro who worked their life away in real life would also hold some nobody who hits their head and suddenly becomes as skilled in contempt as well
Mediocrity faced with a genius and he got jealous.
He wasn't mediocre, that's the point. He was as good as any musician could be after a lifetime of hard work. He just wasn't a genius with a gift from God, whereas Mozart was despite being a farting, giggling little ungodly rascal.
Remember that Salieri wasn't just religious, he was extremely religious. Any man who had devoted his life to art and God would see the gift Mozart had (a gift Salieri would have seen as given by God) and be thrown into doubts about everything he thought he had previously believed about God. It was a huge slap in the face for him.
Imagine thinking yourself a genius, everyone around you thinking you are a genius, getting to high status and becoming so convinced of your gift that you start to believe god himself has blessed you personally, for your hard work and skill. Now imagine that some borderline moronic pissant crashes your party, hasn’t worked a day in his life, cares more about fart jokes and breasts than the harpsichord, and yet still casually mogs you and any version of you you could possibly imagine. And not only that, he is so good that him simply being makes a mockery of you. Would make any man crumble, tbh.
I’m just confused why he didn’t take advantage of those magnificent breasts after he made her whip them out and everything. Even in weakness, salieri still a stronger man than I could ever be.
And yet Salieri was the Holy Roman Emperor's own court composer while Mozart fumbled about life trying to not be broke, and in the end he died in poverty and was buried in an unmarked pauper's grave.
The real Salieri wasn’t anything like this btw
Yes we know. Real Salieri isn't a mustache twirling schizo super villain, he was just a nice guy and good friend. But movie Salieri is kino.
yeah its a fricking movie you butthole goddamn
like dat homie was your homie
Play Anonymous.
>hey guys did you know, sharts pants
Oh look, it's that guy who has to come in and reveal some trivia he overheard in previous discussions to make himself feel like he's smart and/or contributing to the current discussion.
The crippling realization that despite your hard work, there exists someone who's just genetically gifted and is better than you at your craft just because of an accident of DNA. Then it turns out that guy is also pretty crass, impolite, doesn't seem to care much about the craft in question (at least initially) and he constantly yet innocently rubs his massive talent in your face as your social circle is increasingly more fond of him than of yourself.
he's literally me fr
Play Joe Rogan
He was torn between jealousy and admiration for Mozart's talent
It's a complicated kind of feel
>nose
the answer is in plain sight
Fricking Italians.
Beethoven > Tchaikovsky >> Bach > Mozart
switch tchaikovsky and bach around and you're right
Salieri tutored Beethoven
And Wagner above all of them.
>wrote and orchestrated all his own music
>wrote all the libretto's
>designed all of his sets and production designed
>created early concept of spotlight and lighting design in theater
>fully realized the concept of the pit orchestra
Absolutely god-like theatrical genius. And this is to say nothing of his essays, which give us further insight into his socio-political genius and understanding. We will never see another like him, closest comparison is maybe Sondheim.
because god gave him a passion for music, but didn't give him talent.
The whole movie is anti-gentile propoganda, written by a self-hating israelite. Mozart had a good sense of humor, but was professional in every senseof the word, and we have 550+ letters that document how tirelessly he worked, what little tolerance he had for debauchery and laziness, and how devout a Christian (and interestingly enough, freemason) he was.
the movie is from salieri's seething perspective, of course he's gonna portray mozart as lazy and degenerate
Nice cope to justify the enormous character assassination of Mozart. The movie does not portray it solely from Sallieri's perspective, either. There are several scene's where Sallieri is completely absent. And in real life, they barely had a relationship. Mozart mentions him off-hand in two of his 553 letters. The entire film is a fictitious character assassination of the highest order, to cater to mid-wits like you.
>salieri is completely absent
are you a legit moron anon ? the whole movie is a recounting of events by salieri
No, it isn't. Several rehearsal scene's and his death scene do not include him. It is anti-gentile propoganda by a talentless writer who uses Mozarts name to gain recognition. Mozart did not just create his opera's perfectly out of his head like the movie depicts. He worked tirelessly and revised them endlessly. He hated debauchery, womanizing and laziness, yet the movie depicts him loving all three. Stop defending this movie.
rewatch the movie anon you are wrong
I don't care who's perspective it's framed from. The character of Mozart portrayed in the movie was the opposite of who Mozart was.
>anon discovers unreliable narrator for the first time
Anon, it's both an unreliable narrator film, and it's a film in general. It can take historical liberties to tell a story.
NTA but I watched it yesterday and there are scenes that have nothing to do with Salieri. Like when Mozarts father arrives in Vienna and he gets of on the wrong foot with Mozarts wife because she spent half the day sleeping.
hes been dead for centuries, hes not gonna suck your wiener
>The entire film is a fictitious character assassination of the highest order, to cater to mid-wits like you.
No, it's pure kino and one of the best movies ever made. The fact it takes creative liberties with the historical truth is fine because of that.
Let's see your historically accurate Mozart drama, shall we? Oh wait, nobody asked for it and it would be a piece of shit.
How does the piece "Leck mich im Arsch" fit in with that?
Did Mozart know about Salieri's feelings about him?
Thank you bros! All of you who are defending Salieri, thanks! Have a nice weekend!
>anon samegays the entire thread
>says he's leaving, but sticks around to get mad at replies
Stop believing that movies present facts
Even documentaries are biased in the footage they show/edit, contrary viewpoints not expanded upon etc.
Please let everyone else know, too, because I'm tired of a complicated disaster turned into Leo's frozen corpse and Kate's breasts
Lightly fictionalized a character for dramatic effect, but maintaining that historical figures dignity and general likeness is one thing. Depicting them as acting and behaving in ways they expressly hated and condemned in their own words and writings is another. This movie portrayed Mozart in such a contrary manner to what the real Mozart professed to believe, that I cannot possibly conclude any other reason than it was done so intentionally as a complete character assassination. And in my personal view, anti-gentile propoganda.
You're right. I sincerely despised this movie.
I imagine any maestro who worked their life away in real life would also hold some nobody who hits their head and suddenly becomes as skilled in contempt as well
IRL he wasn't .