Changed too much for no good reason. Showed a clear disrespect to the franchise as a whole with how it treated it's characters and themes.
Also just had horrible 'keys in front of a baby' tier animation.
and that's a good thing, Sonic Boom cartoon is comedy gold
They look like idiots. You can blow a big animation budget on any show, over in Japan they don't think that's a big deal
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Splinter is the moral and thematic core of the series. If you don't get that you are too clueless about art to be talking about it but you are probably in the animation industry or schools anyway
>They look like idiots
So like every other version of the show. You do realize they are walking talking turtles, right? >over in Japan they don't think that's a big deal
weeb >Splinter is the moral and thematic core of the series
No he fricking ain't, he's a major character for sure but not the moral and thematic core, get your head out of your ass. >If you don't get that you are too clueless about art
Sorry, I didn't know not knowing about a fictional rat in a toy franchise devalued my opinion of art as a whole, including other properties.
Get a load of this butthole
It was doing that awful modern cartoon thing where it pretends to have an overarching story but is deathly afraid of changing status quo or resolving anything in a satisfying way.
Extremely obnoxious low-iq messages like "WE DO WE"
There was never a well defined threat, which meant feeling of overall low stakes even during important scenes and also very little reason they had to stay in hiding as mutants.
Splinter's arc was not as compelling as it should have been.
Splinters arc and the mutant making yokai were perhaps the only things that will be remembered and folded into future series, I imagine.
Splinter having either an embarassing or glorious past of film acting is fun and can be done with many different interpretations of him. Him seeing it as a horrible mistake is he's serious or him being proud of it if he's a little goofier.
The mutant dude really fricks with established lore so it would be hard for people to just chuck it in like that but not impossible. There's no reason he couldn't be a third party between the umtroms and shredder or some other multiversal thing even if he doesn't have a direct hand in their creation. He could have inspired the mutagen that was later perfected/mass produced by other creatures and therefore has a vested interest in the turtles as the peak of his creations.
The rest was trashed that will never get referenced at any point.
>It was doing that awful modern cartoon thing where it pretends to have an overarching story but is deathly afraid of changing status quo or resolving anything in a satisfying way.
Modern cartoons be having every episode as episodic but there's one scene at the literal last minute that shows the villain with a weapon they're going to use in the last episode
the people who made it didn't care about the established TMNT even a little bit. they basically made all-new characters but used the same names and basic designs. they took away the heart of TMNT which is their brotherly bond and turned them into every other cast of comedy cartoon characters who just treat each other like shit because people think it's "funny". leonardo and splinter are the worst. i'm not saying that they couldn't make leo an arrogant wiseass, or splinter a lazy bum, but they did that while forgetting to also give them likeable traits. leo and splinter are complete sociopaths who hate their family
Dude you have to power like 15 episodes through the series to get to when splinter is not acting like a complete butthole. Even then they make everyone who isn't Donatello a complete dumbass
https://i.imgur.com/hLMRxag.jpg
Why was it so ass?
Their crucial mistake was blowing their load too early and coming with this literally right after TMNT 2014 ended. They HAD to change everything, TMNT 2014 was too fresh in everyone's mind.
Raphael is the grump, Leonardo is the leader, those are the established archetypes every remake did that this one didn't do.
>Dude you have to power like 15 episodes through the series to get to when splinter is not acting like a complete butthole
12 actually, but for everyone who isn't Splinter it still introduces them well in fun ways, and you're pretty weak shit if you're that triggered over a cartoon rat. >Their crucial mistake was blowing their load too early and coming with this literally right after TMNT 2014 ended.
Actually it aired 1 year after TMNT 2012 ended, the mistake was promoting it as TMNT 2012 was ending.
People in today's animation industry wouldn't be able to pull off the themes properly. They are spoiled kids who don't care about other people including family. With the Renaissance theme you should have artists with sincere passion for art, which is the opposite of what people in the animation industry are like
I watched the 2014 movie and even though it wasn't a very faithful depiction the focus on family and heroic prowess pushed to the limit makes it good for adolescents to grow up with. This cartoon copied Gurren Lagann but failed to channel the heroic intensity. Everything the animation industry does is superficial
All this show has is content for animator demo reels
I never fail to find it funny the conviction of Animation shills that critics should watch hours and hours of garbage
Because we went from this: , a series that celebrated the entire history of the franchise while producing its own excellent spin on established characters and lore, to a series that occasionally felt like it resented being tied to what came before and frankly should've been its own thing.
Also, Rise had a surprisingly ugly artstyle that looked dated before it even began and the writing is already aging very poorly.
Fricked too much with the superficial core.
Fricked a little too much with the core proper.
It's original stuff is not that great either.
Too fast-paced to the point that nothing really sticks with you. IE Wasted sakuga.
"The good parts" are behind a bunch of wahoo wacky episodes.
Very un-good art style for toys.
Next iteration should be another movie that could spawn another series like TMNT did. It came when 03 was getting stale. Michael Bay films weren't as terrible as the initial response. Sadly the franchise would never work in today's cable tv so make it a streaming series. Maybe make the Triceritons be more of a threat, The action should take notes from anime, and the overall arc can go hun/stockman(who turns bug in the finale) > shredder > triceritons > krang > yaotl > super shredder if we want season arcs. Kitsune can be actually used in the shredder story. Dregg can be used in Krang's season, or Krang can take stuff out of Dregg's run in the 90's.
Didn't know what 2017's treatment of the turtles, but Leo as the leader with all the shit he goes through in the comics. Mike as the emotional center of the group. Without him, team falls apart. Donatello should go the Guts route as in the most suffering, but becomes the most powerful. Ralph goes the Vegeta route. Strongest one who then jobs out then becomes stronger from his emotional growth. Splinter still acts as the dad and mentor, like always. What was his best backstory, him as a rat who evolves from ooze or human who becomes rat from ooze? Pizzas can be an rpg item for them, with different turtles liking different toppings, and different boosts. Can make an episode about how pizza can be a game changer for them.
April can be whatever, just don't have her dating the fricking turtles like 13 did. Casey should go full 80's toon, a parody of a popular character trope of the time. What's a good replacement for edgy broody for modern capeshit?
I kinda got lost in my world about TMNT, sorry about that. Been drinking after a bigass rib festival.
>awesome action, cluttered shots >individual designs for turtles, art is ugly and colors are saturated as frick >made Raph the leader, cucked out and made Leo leader and had them wear black >lore and plot is convoluted and seems improvised
It’s just really polarizing. Ultimately I found that the bad outweighed the good. Interestingly enough, with each iteration they seem to be getting closer to something I would enjoy.
i'd attribute it with it having 100% style and 0% substance considering how apathetic people are to it. even the blandest or hyper-adhd shows have characters people like and these guys just seem like walking catchphrases
They look like idiots. You can blow a big animation budget on any show, over in Japan they don't think that's a big deal
>Dude you have to power like 15 episodes through the series to get to when splinter is not acting like a complete butthole
12 actually, but for everyone who isn't Splinter it still introduces them well in fun ways, and you're pretty weak shit if you're that triggered over a cartoon rat. >Their crucial mistake was blowing their load too early and coming with this literally right after TMNT 2014 ended.
Actually it aired 1 year after TMNT 2012 ended, the mistake was promoting it as TMNT 2012 was ending.
Splinter is the moral and thematic core of the series. If you don't get that you are too clueless about art to be talking about it but you are probably in the animation industry or schools anyway
>What is with this show's obsession with the big cat growl noise?
what? I barely remember them using it
>awesome action, cluttered shots >individual designs for turtles, art is ugly and colors are saturated as frick >made Raph the leader, cucked out and made Leo leader and had them wear black >lore and plot is convoluted and seems improvised
It’s just really polarizing. Ultimately I found that the bad outweighed the good. Interestingly enough, with each iteration they seem to be getting closer to something I would enjoy.
>lore and plot is convoluted and seems improvised
Oh so you didn't watch the show, got it. Rise's plot and lore is incredibly simple and the least convoluted of the last 3 animated shows, mostly because it's only 2 seasons but still.
Overall I think it was a fantastic contribution to the series and in general a positive influence on how the series should behave. It's biggest weakness in my eyes was probably filler characters. Too many of it's minor antagonists and side characters were way to reliant on being over the top jokes or references. That isn't a sin unique to this series, but it contributes to what I feel is a narrative mistake when the first season had those joke characters bleed into the primary antagonist's plot. On the other hand I enjoyed almost every change and new idea brought forward with the major characters. While on the nose, the episodes about Splinter and the Turtles needing to "live up to their ancestors" before abandoning that to embrace what made them unique was highly enjoyable.
The general impression I got was that it felt like it was much more a product of the time, and had much more of it's own identity. That largely meant most comedy would fall flat for me, but major characters, action, animation, and design felt fresh and fun. I would gladly take Rise trying to do it's own thing in a bombastic manner rather than 2012's timid reshuffling of what 2004 already did better.
It wasn't, you silly goose
Changed too much for no good reason. Showed a clear disrespect to the franchise as a whole with how it treated it's characters and themes.
Also just had horrible 'keys in front of a baby' tier animation.
It was made by people with super ADHD
They went full Sonic Boom
and that's a good thing, Sonic Boom cartoon is comedy gold
>They look like idiots
So like every other version of the show. You do realize they are walking talking turtles, right?
>over in Japan they don't think that's a big deal
weeb
>Splinter is the moral and thematic core of the series
No he fricking ain't, he's a major character for sure but not the moral and thematic core, get your head out of your ass.
>If you don't get that you are too clueless about art
Sorry, I didn't know not knowing about a fictional rat in a toy franchise devalued my opinion of art as a whole, including other properties.
Get a load of this butthole
>they all look like idiots
Point to me who or what in this picture looks like an idiot. I'll wait
Forgot image
All right so you're probably someone in animation School pissing your pants because your career prospects are being damaged. Shut up
What a bizarre Mongrel post. Maybe a shill feeling the thrill of saying a slur. The turtles are basically black anyway
Stfu you know it was the biggest factor in its demise. I say this say someone who liked the show.
Black person Black person Black person Black person Black person
It was doing that awful modern cartoon thing where it pretends to have an overarching story but is deathly afraid of changing status quo or resolving anything in a satisfying way.
Extremely obnoxious low-iq messages like "WE DO WE"
There was never a well defined threat, which meant feeling of overall low stakes even during important scenes and also very little reason they had to stay in hiding as mutants.
Splinter's arc was not as compelling as it should have been.
Splinters arc and the mutant making yokai were perhaps the only things that will be remembered and folded into future series, I imagine.
Splinter having either an embarassing or glorious past of film acting is fun and can be done with many different interpretations of him. Him seeing it as a horrible mistake is he's serious or him being proud of it if he's a little goofier.
The mutant dude really fricks with established lore so it would be hard for people to just chuck it in like that but not impossible. There's no reason he couldn't be a third party between the umtroms and shredder or some other multiversal thing even if he doesn't have a direct hand in their creation. He could have inspired the mutagen that was later perfected/mass produced by other creatures and therefore has a vested interest in the turtles as the peak of his creations.
The rest was trashed that will never get referenced at any point.
>It was doing that awful modern cartoon thing where it pretends to have an overarching story but is deathly afraid of changing status quo or resolving anything in a satisfying way.
Modern cartoons be having every episode as episodic but there's one scene at the literal last minute that shows the villain with a weapon they're going to use in the last episode
Redhead Erasure.
These were the two greatest offenses. Glad this shit got canned. Can't wait for the movie to bomb, too.
You wish. Eat ass
>bean head
It's all so tiresome
When do the ninja turtles NOT have bean heads??
Cuz it's not Ninja Turtles.
the people who made it didn't care about the established TMNT even a little bit. they basically made all-new characters but used the same names and basic designs. they took away the heart of TMNT which is their brotherly bond and turned them into every other cast of comedy cartoon characters who just treat each other like shit because people think it's "funny". leonardo and splinter are the worst. i'm not saying that they couldn't make leo an arrogant wiseass, or splinter a lazy bum, but they did that while forgetting to also give them likeable traits. leo and splinter are complete sociopaths who hate their family
So you didn't watch anything beyond the first handful of episodes. Got it.
Dude you have to power like 15 episodes through the series to get to when splinter is not acting like a complete butthole. Even then they make everyone who isn't Donatello a complete dumbass
Their crucial mistake was blowing their load too early and coming with this literally right after TMNT 2014 ended. They HAD to change everything, TMNT 2014 was too fresh in everyone's mind.
Raphael is the grump, Leonardo is the leader, those are the established archetypes every remake did that this one didn't do.
>Dude you have to power like 15 episodes through the series to get to when splinter is not acting like a complete butthole
12 actually, but for everyone who isn't Splinter it still introduces them well in fun ways, and you're pretty weak shit if you're that triggered over a cartoon rat.
>Their crucial mistake was blowing their load too early and coming with this literally right after TMNT 2014 ended.
Actually it aired 1 year after TMNT 2012 ended, the mistake was promoting it as TMNT 2012 was ending.
People in today's animation industry wouldn't be able to pull off the themes properly. They are spoiled kids who don't care about other people including family. With the Renaissance theme you should have artists with sincere passion for art, which is the opposite of what people in the animation industry are like
I watched the 2014 movie and even though it wasn't a very faithful depiction the focus on family and heroic prowess pushed to the limit makes it good for adolescents to grow up with. This cartoon copied Gurren Lagann but failed to channel the heroic intensity. Everything the animation industry does is superficial
All this show has is content for animator demo reels
I never fail to find it funny the conviction of Animation shills that critics should watch hours and hours of garbage
She's just so fricking perfect
Cooming rotted your brain
Wait, that's suppose to be Casey Jones? I thought that was their version of Karai. Wow, this is more shit than I thought.
she is
incel detected
I miss my boys...
Because we went from this: , a series that celebrated the entire history of the franchise while producing its own excellent spin on established characters and lore, to a series that occasionally felt like it resented being tied to what came before and frankly should've been its own thing.
Also, Rise had a surprisingly ugly artstyle that looked dated before it even began and the writing is already aging very poorly.
That's not 2012 TMNT.
They wanted it to be a comedy but had no funny writers.
>what if the turtles were black
That answer your question?
Everyone was Mikey or 90s Raph. To tge point that Mikey hinself is superflous in this version.
Although I did get a chuckle out of Leo being the real leader bur lets Raph have the official title.
I kinda like what they did with Mikey in this show. 2012 Mikey got old fast.
This is probably the most "Didn't watch the show" post in the entire thread. What the frick are you even talking about.
Fricked too much with the superficial core.
Fricked a little too much with the core proper.
It's original stuff is not that great either.
Too fast-paced to the point that nothing really sticks with you. IE Wasted sakuga.
"The good parts" are behind a bunch of wahoo wacky episodes.
Very un-good art style for toys.
Next iteration should be another movie that could spawn another series like TMNT did. It came when 03 was getting stale. Michael Bay films weren't as terrible as the initial response. Sadly the franchise would never work in today's cable tv so make it a streaming series. Maybe make the Triceritons be more of a threat, The action should take notes from anime, and the overall arc can go hun/stockman(who turns bug in the finale) > shredder > triceritons > krang > yaotl > super shredder if we want season arcs. Kitsune can be actually used in the shredder story. Dregg can be used in Krang's season, or Krang can take stuff out of Dregg's run in the 90's.
Didn't know what 2017's treatment of the turtles, but Leo as the leader with all the shit he goes through in the comics. Mike as the emotional center of the group. Without him, team falls apart. Donatello should go the Guts route as in the most suffering, but becomes the most powerful. Ralph goes the Vegeta route. Strongest one who then jobs out then becomes stronger from his emotional growth. Splinter still acts as the dad and mentor, like always. What was his best backstory, him as a rat who evolves from ooze or human who becomes rat from ooze? Pizzas can be an rpg item for them, with different turtles liking different toppings, and different boosts. Can make an episode about how pizza can be a game changer for them.
April can be whatever, just don't have her dating the fricking turtles like 13 did. Casey should go full 80's toon, a parody of a popular character trope of the time. What's a good replacement for edgy broody for modern capeshit?
I kinda got lost in my world about TMNT, sorry about that. Been drinking after a bigass rib festival.
They look like gangrene gang from ppg
I hated fat goofy Splinter more than I disliked April
What the shell?
It was a little too "hyper" but still pretty good
>awesome action, cluttered shots
>individual designs for turtles, art is ugly and colors are saturated as frick
>made Raph the leader, cucked out and made Leo leader and had them wear black
>lore and plot is convoluted and seems improvised
It’s just really polarizing. Ultimately I found that the bad outweighed the good. Interestingly enough, with each iteration they seem to be getting closer to something I would enjoy.
It's sad just how many good or interesting concepts you can see peaking out from all the poor design and style choices that Rise saddled itself with.
Okay I'm on episode 8. When does this get good?
waste of incredible animation
i'd attribute it with it having 100% style and 0% substance considering how apathetic people are to it. even the blandest or hyper-adhd shows have characters people like and these guys just seem like walking catchphrases
What shitty fricking character design
>Why was it so kino
fixed it
They look like idiots. You can blow a big animation budget on any show, over in Japan they don't think that's a big deal
Splinter is the moral and thematic core of the series. If you don't get that you are too clueless about art to be talking about it but you are probably in the animation industry or schools anyway
What is with this show's obsession with the big cat growl noise?
>What is with this show's obsession with the big cat growl noise?
what? I barely remember them using it
>lore and plot is convoluted and seems improvised
Oh so you didn't watch the show, got it. Rise's plot and lore is incredibly simple and the least convoluted of the last 3 animated shows, mostly because it's only 2 seasons but still.
I watched 10 episodes and they used it at least 3 times.
sakugagays are room temp IQ children
It wasn't. They actually felt like a family in this one, it had the best animation and it wasn't 2012. Not kino but not ass.
It wasn’t but I blame the Black person April and change of weapons for it being received poorly.
Ironic as the new dynamics with the weapons and the way April synergized with the Turtles was some of strongest things the series had going for it.
The powers were shit. Only Leo’s was good and you’ve used his old swords to do the same thing. Wtf is mikey’s weapon even supposed to be?
Overall I think it was a fantastic contribution to the series and in general a positive influence on how the series should behave. It's biggest weakness in my eyes was probably filler characters. Too many of it's minor antagonists and side characters were way to reliant on being over the top jokes or references. That isn't a sin unique to this series, but it contributes to what I feel is a narrative mistake when the first season had those joke characters bleed into the primary antagonist's plot. On the other hand I enjoyed almost every change and new idea brought forward with the major characters. While on the nose, the episodes about Splinter and the Turtles needing to "live up to their ancestors" before abandoning that to embrace what made them unique was highly enjoyable.
The general impression I got was that it felt like it was much more a product of the time, and had much more of it's own identity. That largely meant most comedy would fall flat for me, but major characters, action, animation, and design felt fresh and fun. I would gladly take Rise trying to do it's own thing in a bombastic manner rather than 2012's timid reshuffling of what 2004 already did better.