Why was this kino of a show cancelled right after it started to get traction? Haven't been able to find anything equally entertaining, well-written and cynical since (Veep scratched that itch to a certain degree).
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Also, here is my take on the alignment chart.
>no Ben Swain
>no Terri
>no Mannion's bumboy
>no Stuart
Come on, man.
There are only 9 boxes there. I did my best.
>no Ben Swain
>no Terri
>no Mannion's bumboy
>no Stuart
Where would you place them?
>Ben
Chaotic Neutral. He doesn't really do anything bad, just takes any chance to improve his own position. Always a spanner in someone's works, mind.
>Terri
Hard to say, Lawful for sure, she's one of the most rules-oriented characters. Good vs Neutral is difficult, but I'd be tempted toward Good just because she's one of the only people to show some degree of concern or general politeness to anyone around her.
>Mannion's wiener sock
Lawful Neutral? His only allegiance is to his superior, outside his hatred of Ollie. He certainly has no real morals.
>Stuart
Chaotic, given his whole thing is trying to overturn the way the party operates. Evil because, slimy ponce he is, what else could he be?
>Ben
>Chaotic Neutral
Interesting. I thought of him as more of a neutral evil, but I see your point.
Who would say Nicola is?
She's the hardest to judge for me, odd as it sounds given how prominent and simple she is. I'd go Lawful if only because her entire career is being told no and she doesn't really do any maneuvering to get her way until the inquiry, which was obviously a lawful move. Good? She does WANT to do good for people, but she doesn't really show any sort of moral fibre. Neutral fits with how beige she is. Chaotic? She is the omnishambles.
What about the pedo from series 1 and the scottish guy from the movie.
Nice alignment grid though m8 I just can't remember the True Neutral and got a chuckle at the Chaotic Evil.
Cheers.
I'd say that Hugh Abbot (the pedo) is Neutral Evil - egoist who bends the rules to his favour and holds the general populace in contempt but appears all proper before the press.
Jamie (the angry scot) is Chaotic Good - pretty much the same as Malcolm but with less influence.
True Neutral is Robyn, the secretary. The only things she does are looking shocked and bringing the wrong sort of tea to her superiors.
>Jamie (the angry scot) is Chaotic Good - pretty much the same as Malcolm but with less influence.
Yeah that makes sense.
>TURN THAT RACKET OFF
>IT'S JUST VOWELS
>Hugh
>evil
Is this just because of the actor being a nonce? He's one of the few to express any sort of principles, even if he does fail them when he's under the cosh. Even Glenn's morals fail him at times. There's no true good guys, they're all politicians.
I'm basing it on the fact that he lied at the inquiry to save his skin and he had frick off flat that was empty all the time that he refused to rent out.
>There's no true good guys, they're all politicians.
True. However, Glenn was probably the most morally good character that genuinely wanted to make a difference. Peter Mannion was corrupt to a certain degree but he had a nobility to him that few other characters possessed.
I agree about Glenn and Peter, at least. You'd hope Glenn has moral high ground at least, with how tortured he is throughout. I wonder how things go for him afterward, Dan and Ollie coming out in top must be the worst thing in his eyes.
>wonder how things go for him afterward,
Probably does end up in jail
>Mannion good
The entire point of his character was that's he's completely useless and happy to coast along doing nothing helpful if it's easiest. There's nothing to suggest that Dan Miller is evil either, and Terri would have been a better pick than the "funny" meme character for that slot.
Mannion is outright willing to lose an election rather than abuse the situation with Murray's daughter, and he opposes the power play with having him present the Digital Playgrounds press release. He is honorable old guard, no matter how useless he is.
>Brushed Aluminium Cyber Prick
>not evil
His rise to power is spearheaded and pretty much entirely run by Malcolm, and his first order of business is to get rid of him. He cuts a deal with Ben with no intention of honouring it. The guy's a treacherous rat concerned solely with his own power.
He should be neutral evil rather than lawful in that case. And how come Olly is neutral evil?
Yes Minister mogs this 1000%
>laugh track
No
It ran its course.
Iannucci gave some lame-ass excuse like 'well politics these days is so ridiculous you can't even parody it.' which to me is just another way of saying he was out of steam and out of ideas, which I understand. At least it ended on a high-note before it overstayed its welcome like so many other shows.
That really doesn't ring true to me however since he immediately went on to make Veep, a more mainstream, watered-down, and not-as-funny copycat of Thick of It. Then he went on to make Death of Stalin, which is essentially the exact same type of stuff except in a historical setting. So he clearly hasn't moved on from political satire.
>well politics these days is so ridiculous you can't even parody it.' which to me is just another way of saying he was out of steam and out of ide
That interview was after May at the conference where the sign fell off. His reasoning was if you did that entrance blow by blow the audience would say "this is unrealistic" before the sign came off.
He made both series (Veep and TToI) before reality became a total farce, much like Yes Minister made its points before Thatcher went completely nuts. All three rely on government being a bit odd and lacking common sense, but if you push that to meet reality in the last few years (either now or under Thatcher) it becomes too surreal and bleak to be a popular comedy.
Tucker ran his course, where could they go from there? It is very much The Tucker Show, and it ends with him ousted for good. Jamie's gone, and fricking Ollie's no replacement.
Tucker is the labour PR master: you can see a very funny video of Kermode showing the movie spin off In the Loop to Alistair Campbell, the speculated basis of the character-- Campbell thought the movie wasn't good but the series was excellent, because in the series it's Malcolm being competent, while the movie shows Malcolm committing the fraud Campbell was accused of rigging which led to the illegal invasion of Iraq.
The conservative PR guy in the show would logically be the main star once they took over, so another series on you would see him organising Brexit through Facebook in his safety vest.
Because the opportunity arose. It's not really backstabbing Malcolm, it's how Malcolm wants him to take over. You're either going to do the job like Malcolm (who stabbed his other in party competition in the back repeatedly) or you're not fit for the job.
>Kermode showing the movie spin off In the Loop to Alistair Campbell
This, the characters all that some real life counterpart or some of sterotype they where playing but careers in top level politis are normally cut short and suddenly.
You can sort of see it happening in season 4, why is the old Labour spin doctor so important several years into a Tory-Lib Dem coalition? In real life they get binned the moment on election is lost. Nicola Murray stumbling into power then getting coup'd out you could have said was a bit unrealisitc to give the labour characters something to do but then Liz Truss happened
>cancelled
They could walk into the BBC right now and sign on for another 10 series if they wanted to. (As long as they recast Tucker with a gay black israeli midget woman with 3 teeth and a skin graft from a building fire caused by tory cuts)
It didn't need to run any longer than it did. It's one of the things that makes the series so rewatchable imo, I hate it when a good comedy series gets run into the ground
brits like to end shows before they ruin themselves
That's not what it is, the BBC is stingy with funding. You ask them for 13 episodes, they'll tell you to frick off no matter how brown you are.
Why did the Beeb employ ANOTHER two pin din plug?
>all I do - I work, I eat, I shower
>that's it
>and occasionally, I molest a kid
>just a sort of treat
What a top guy he was
>His last line in the show was something about not wanting people to think he was a nonce
Pottery
fricking Americans and their desire for shows to run forever and become zombified
For me, this scene. Fricking lost it
It's a classic but this one here is one of the best:
The redhead journalist was QT, but Nicola looked really hot on that scene for some reason.
>Nicola
>hot ever
What's wrong with you?
You don't like middle-aged bureaucrat slampig?
Also she must've had lots of pent-up sexual energy.
You both should watch her in Knowing Me Knowing You
I'd hit that.
glummy mummy
Why exactly does Ollie backstab Malcolm in the end, anyway? If I remember right, he's actively inconveniencing Dan with the maneuvering between police stations and not explaining why, so it's not solely from Dan wanting to drop Malcolm.
probably because Capaldi is one of the greatest actors of our generation, he's atrociously underappreciated
forgot to mention but he's on this Amazon show called The Devil's Hour, it's okay but not amazing but he's fantastic in it and it's honestly worth it just for him
Shame Jamie left the show after season 2.
The character would've probably only worked in smaller doses. Same with Steve Fleming, one of the best performances in the show and he only appears for two episodes.
Would've loved to see more of Cal. He was genuinely, 100% unhinged.
I don't know, Steve's oiliness and Jamie's coarser Malcolm can handle repeat appearances more than that other guy thinks (I think, at least), but The Fricker loses impact immediately, especially when we've already seen him lose.
>do you know how to fix a paper jam?
>idk kill a kid an hour until it sorts itself out?
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