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MegaMan net warriors Was peak MegaMan so I don't think there will ever be a good cartoon of him again
yes but it was based on those shitty games with moronic redesigns so nobody cared
Anon, it had 5 seasons, a miniseries, a movie and during the airing of it's fourth season, Rockman.EXE Stream, it had in Japan the highest viewership numbers and it's merch sales rivalred Pokémon, it is said by Japanese anons that EXE was the first time the Pocket Monsters throne was threatened, and could've gone even further had Capcom not ruined it by rushing Battle Network 4 out, which was released the same year as Rockman.EXE 3 BLACK in Japan.
Unfortunately, for the Japanese per their own word, Classic is just a mascot, X is a 90s fad and EXE was "the only time the series was relevant" with everything else largely ignored.
Being a fan of this franchise is like a self-inflicted BDSM situation, help me.
It is vastly inferior to Rockman.EXE, let alone Ruby-Spears Mega Man. It was only so different because Capcom got autistic about both the Archie comic and the cartoon going on at the same time would've been "confusing" for the brand.
>Unfortunately, for the Japanese per their own word, Classic is just a mascot, X is a 90s fad and EXE was "the only time the series was relevant" with everything else largely ignored.
Frick that's depressing.
Do they even use Mega Man as a mascot? I can't recall the last time I saw him on a non Megaman product and .... phhh there was only 1 commercial game in the last 15 years.
Mega Man stuff gets used in Street Fighter, mostly as cameo background objects.
>nobody cared
The BN anime had like 5 seasons.
>I didn' like it so nobody else should
>with moronic redesigns
Some were, some were interesting variants, some where straight up improvements.
Or are you gonna look me in the eye and tell me that the likes of Dark Man, Bomb Man, Spark Man or Wind Man are better than their .exe selves?
Bass.EXE was a huge improvement, mainly the way the helmet fins were redone. Also it was great they made him such a big deal he's always the post game/true final boss of all the games, considering the classic Bass is kind of a one-note Vegeta.
Battle Network was good what were you on?
I miss them bro
Navis were just so cool. They had a lot more character than their origins... well maybe not Megaman.exe himself. Rock's look is better than .exe's...
Wait, there's Rock, Trigger, and X (who's also in ZX and Command Mission), but what are the ones from Starforce and Battle Network called?
MegaMan.EXE is Hub (Saito in Japan), Shooting Star Mega Man is Geo (Subaru in Japan)
FYI Capcom is hosting the whole series for free on youtube until the end of september as a promo for the BN collection
I’ve been watching it, its a lot better than I thought it would be
Thanks for the heads-up, i was thinking about checking YT because i barely got to see the series when it was on kids wb.
NTA but I genuinely believe sub > dub, there are anons who are subbing the new HD Bluray releases of the EXE anime, /vg/'s /mmg/ streams the anime saturdays and sundays around 10 am (central burger time) on cytube.
I know saying so will add to the reasons i'm hated, but i'm exclusively dubs, i can't speed read and i love stupid edits and engrish (I see riceballs i'm calling them jelly donuts)
Anyway i've got do some paperwork, sayonara.
> i love stupid edits and engrish
I don’t mind dubs but I hate these. Americans are so used to dumb down kino series like Captain Harlock into mindless children trash so it fits with their cartoons that I started hating them.
It got a bunch of seasons that never got dubbed, make sure to watch them if you haven't already.
I already did, and thank you Anon for saying that it's great seeing net warriors still have fans to this day
The show itself is average but the games they're based on are ridiculously soulful
Don't know what kind of cosmic lottery the franchise won, but every spinoff has its own diehard fans even now
Well Trigger had an interesting world with some cool, giant bosses and a really well developped town right at the start of 3d console gaming
.exe had a unique (I've never seen it elsewhere, at the least) system that's fun
X/Zero/ZX has a great movement system and their own little niche additions
Command Mission's just fun.
I haven't played Starforce so I can't comment on it.
It was just a series of solid games... well X shit the bed after 4 or 5, I forget when
Starforce is just like Battle Network. But with a better human cast.
>human cast.
Is there anything less important in a Mega Man game than the humans?
I remember the Net Navi, I don't remember their operators.
I remember playing as Megaman HX, I don't remember the dude's names
They matter more in SF since its basically a toku series. And Geo grows into a badass.
Humans at least have the potnetial to be interesting in Mega Man and add their POV of the changes in society and what not. It isn't like Transformers where they exist entirely for self inserting.
Sure, humans can have a unique pov, but would they have a Street Fighter move-set?
>Sure, humans can have a unique pov, but would they have a Street Fighter move-set?
Best I can do is give you Strider
You can also explore the relationship between man and machine. Like giving Mega Man a human love interest.
it was a game about depression before indie devs made it mainstream
I tell ya, that part where he and Sonia bond over their past, she helps pick him back up and offers to be his first Brother...still gets me.
I haven’t thought about this in years but do you guys think they retroactively ruined Geo’s character development by revealing that his father was actually alive in space and comes back at the end of the third game?
>X/Zero/ZX has a great movement system and their own little niche additions
Lumping them together does them little justice. At this point it's a spinoff of a spinoff of a spinoff and all of them are great
I think Zero and ZX can be lumped together because both are made on ICE (Inti Creates Engine which got finally retired last year, 2022, they got a lot of mileage out of that) but X can't because the series swapped engines every 3 games (or after ONE game in the case of X7). Compare Zero from X4 to Zero in Z2. The latter is much more responsive and has no animations cooldown that leave you as a sitting duck to it being largely based on how NES Mega Man gameplay felt. I like X4, but sometimes going back to it feels sluggish because there's a lot of "you can't move until animations end, like X waving his arms after an standing chargeshot or Zero's pony tail flowing down as he puts the Z-Saber away".
Not shitting on X4, just my opinion. We can all shit on X5, X6 and X7 tho
X5 wasn't THAT bad. I mean, it has Burn Dinorex.
X5 is terribly boring and empty. If you play the Addendum patch it became clear Alia is there with forced conversations to hide the emptiness of the stages (which makes sense, the reason Value Wave got the gig was after they claimed they could get a game out with one third of X4's budget. I'm glad X5 wasn't the finale, what a wet fart).
X basically layed the foundations for the others via its' movement which is stellar.
Zero... I honestly have more problems with the series than most people do. Leveling weapons was dumb. Grinding for money was dumb. Not getting to use elves if you want a good score was dumb. The rating system triggered my perfectionism something fierce so I ended up replaying levels over and over to get S rank, and that was shit. Locking power boosts behind high ranking was dumb (you need them more if you're shit at the game). But the core gameplay was fun and the weapons were neat
ZX and ZXA have a neat moronic gimmick in turning the reploids into power-ranger transofmerations, but it's fun to play as the four guardians and all the bosses for ZXA. Shame there was never a third game. The core gameplay again made up for the moronic shit (including the money grinding which showed up again)
Anon, in MMZ you can get a consistent A-Rank purely by not dying. You can still recover with subtanks and it'll be good, and the stages are bite-sized so retrying isn't too bad.
But yeah, Inti Creates are all PC-88 era otaku who are deep into the "git gud scrub" mentality and now over-compensate with stuff like infinite lives and prevasion in their own games for larger market appeal, with Hard Modes being pure perfectionist autism. But basically the designers of the MMZ games in interviews with dengeki magazine if memory serves deeply believed that if the player failed to adapt to the game system and improve, then the player should be penalized for doing shortcuts, like the Crystals grinding and removing access to EX Skills.
>Locking power boosts behind high ranking was dumb (you need them more if you're shit at the game)
Eh, I was total trash and didn't learn about the score rewards until years later, but still beat the game just fine. They're more like little "win more" bonuses than necessary IMO. Also there are some elves that will automatically give you an S rank for the level so there's that
Wonder if the legacy collection fixed any of your complaints?
The EX Skills honestly aren't even "useful" unless you know about MMZ's combo hirechy system which isn't explained ingame (there's a YouTube video that explains it per game), you can finish the games fine purely by doing Charged elemental Z-Saber slashes.
> The show itself is average
It’s really fun.
That was a really fun anime. Maybe I should check the mango as well, the other corocoro manga I’ve read were good.
I sure as frick hope you mean the subbed version.
>subcuck
>namegay
Checks out. YWNBJ, by the way.
Unfortunately, he's onto something, NT Warrior is from a time americans loved to drastically alter anime, changing the entire OST for the worst (I know BN was a GBA game, but NT Warrior's OST was random beep boops with no rhyme or reason unlike the games OST's and pales in comparison to stuff like Bass' theme from Rockman.EXE Stream), random name changes (WindMan becoming WindBlastMan, MetalMan into HeavyMetalMan, BombMan into BlasterMan) and odd censorship (why did they blur out the swords' tip ends?)
Don't forget that awful dub OP.
Lan and Hub are both 12, why do they sound like they're 25? There's an english singapore dub which kept the Japanese names and OST, the voice direction is wonky but Lan and MegaMan sound appropiate there.
Jesus fricking christ. Yeah, the OP for the first 2 seasons in Japan weren't also great but it was still much better than the English dub opening and of course does not compare to Be Somewhere.
Fireman into Torchman...Needleman into Spikeman...
The dub sucked. Mega Man EXE’s voice was bad. He should have sounded younger.
His voice was fine. They brought him back for the Legacy Collection even.
No it wasnt, it was just yoru 4kids style localization of FRICK JAPAN, we can do better with our proto abridged dub, hey! worked with pokemams and yugidoo
We already did!
NT Warrior was raw ass what are you smoking
Finally, someone who uses the word "peak" without the definition "uncompromisingly sewage". Also, Ruby Spears is kino too.
I want to impregnate Ms Madd?
Fully Charged was okay, you guys are just autists.
>shit is good
>you're autistic for saying otherwise
Shut the frick up you moronic shit stain
>likes shit
>wants others to eat shit
>why are you mad though?
>this must mean shit is actually delicious
I think shit is disgusting and should never be eaten and everyone who eats is disgusting frick that deserves to be kicked out of society
But hey according to you morons thats perfectly fine.
You have not watched the show, stop being mad about it
>immediate sperging
Never watched the show but from this reply I guess anon is right
ok isn't good, you Cinemaphilenformist
You'd probably need autism to enjoy this. Not the good kind of autism either, the kind that makes you want to wear footie pajamas and watch Bluey.
>okay
Not high of a praise
because Capcom keeps telling them to do their own thing so now you have Megaman having a man living rent free in his head and his sister being Menat from Street Fighter instead of Roll
Capcom sees adaptations as competition and would rather they be different as to not compromise sales for their games.
If true, then that is one of the most moronic takes I've ever seen coming from Japan. They should know based on anime and manga that anime works beautifully as advertisement for the manga. Same with anime and visual novel, even live action and anime. Good adaptions are just commercials for the original work
I'm gobsmack about this. But somehow Japanese business people hate merchandising? It took 17 years for Bandai to make a Digimon game that followed the plot of the anime... the best circulated and most loved thing in the franchise. A game they never released internationally. Otherwise every Digimon Game and subseries ran on conflicting logic, and might have a few reused characters or at least character models. While you could pick up pokemon from the anime, any of the main and most of the spin-off video games, the mangas, or even the trading card game and get the central themes of the series that beyond "monsters fighting".
Wait digimon was always new, unique shit including monsters?
Meanwhile fans complain about poke being copy pasta slop.
It’s the reason why George Romero’s Resident Evil move never got made, it was too faithful. Capcom believed that customers would just watch the movies instead of playing their games. So they trashed Romero’s script and greenlit the one we got.
>being Menat from Street Fighter instead of Roll
I don't see the issue.
Are you asking for a good Mega Man cartoon or are you asking for a faithful one? If so, faithful to what?
The Archie comics would be a pretty good starting point
Novas Aventuras de Megaman.
I love Novas Aventuras, it's so bad
Shame it doesn't end properly
i'm brazilian and this piece of shit makes me more ashamed of my country than the government's corruption
Brazilian corruption will never end, the lawmakers any given government elected (no matter if left or right) will have to deal with are always up to their necks in shady stuff and they literally get backed up by big players so their interests remain protected, while they pretend it's not a two-way street and it's only the politicians' fault, who are always all too eager to protect their own mandates ny allowing any and everything under the sun to fly, so next to no one loses their mandate when they cross the line.
t. hopefully moving out of here soon brazilian
What's so bad about it?
Where to fricking begin?
issue had a different artists due to the company making it being too cheap to pay for a single artist
>>The original writer DESPISED having to take the job writing the comic and had a diabolical scheme to introduce an OC character (Princess) who would kill Mega Man and his supporting cast off one by one as far as the plot, upon her introduction, immediately shifting to Princess and her POV and adventures.
>>In her first appearance, the original writer basically had Princess shit all over Capcom and the readers with an ultra-nationalist speech attacking Mega Man fans for liking Jap shit and his publisher/boss for spending money on licensed stuff like Mega Man rather than paying Brazlian writers to make original content and calling anyone who doesn't like originall Bralizian made comic content traitors.
>>This doesn't get the original writer fired ironically, but one of the MANY artists hired to draw the book snitching on him as the artist alerted editorial that he was ordered by the writer to just draw Princess and her adventures and toss in a page where she kills Mega Man at the end of the issue he was drawing
>>A new writer was hired and Princess never seen again BUT the new writer is a pedo who is obsessed with Roll.
>>To the point that Roll becomes the new main character of the comic and the various artists are told to draw Roll in increasingly less and less clothing, to the point by the end she's wearing the smallest bikini you can put on a woman and still cover her crotch and going around topless but with her books forever being obscured by everything you can think of to cover them up.
That sounds pretty fricking hilarious.
I'll give it a try thanks!
You forgot the part the editorial had the choice to purely translate the Rockman 7 manga or make Novas Aventuras and they took the latter.
Ken Penders brother from another country.
What a saga
Bikini?
I just checked and she's literally naked (with metal nipple-things, no less) for the last 5 numbers.
WTF Brazil.
>>>This doesn't get the original writer fired ironically, but one of the MANY artists hired to draw the book snitching on him as the artist alerted editorial that he was ordered by the writer to just draw Princess and her adventures and toss in a page where she kills Mega Man at the end of the issue he was drawing
This sounds like a wholesale fabrication. The first writer left himself because no one was getting paid, and if he wasn't going to get his Princess comic, he wasn't going to work for free. He and the editor were really tight friends who commonly spoused the same "create your own comic" rethoric in the anime magazine they had going alongside Novas Aventuras, there is no way in hell that he didn't know he wanted to go there. Hell, issue #2 itself ends with the narration literally acknowledging this.
The writer, himself, is the one who made his plans public when the internet was inescapably mainstream, because he was a shitposter and thrived on attention seeking. The editor has since claimed he never "discussed it seriously" with him, and certainly that he didn't ever write the script where the take over would happen.
>the new writer is a pedo who is obsessed with Roll.
The three writers who did the book always treated her as the deuteragonist, the first one just dropped the whole "she was actuallly human first" bombshell on his penultimate issue and they felt they had to develop that. Also, Roll is never drawn as a e-girl like in the japanese art and no one had ever played a single one of these games when they wrote the thing, so I think they had no idea she was even a e-girl to begin with.
This was held together with gum, spit and scotch-tape. The last writer has since claimed the publisher didn't even let them know how long would the magazine go on for, just telling them to do bursts of 4 issues whenever they wanted to pump more of these out.
Mega Man Zero properly adapted would be a depressing watch like Casshern Sins, I'd love that.
I WANNA BE A STAR
YOU LISTEN TO MY VOICE, LISTEN TO MY HEART NOW I CAN SEE IT CLEARLY
YOU LISTEN TO YOUR VOICE, LISTEN TO YOUR HEART, DO YOU EVEN SMILE?
Mad respect to Casshern, it's not truly a concert without a mosh.
I always found it poetic Capcom were the sponsors of Casshern Sins given how Sins and Zero go for a similar feel artwork wise (by having a gausian blur outline under the main outline or Luna looking similar to Ciel) after Mega Man borrowed so many elements from Casshern (Rock choosing to be turned into a combat robot, helper dogs, big bald robot man who decides humans are inferior...)
Mega Man seems to have drawn a lot from a lot of places. Like Gundam which was mentioned earlier.
However one thing I found. But unless someone at Bandai was leaking stuff. There were elements from Turn A Gundam that Mega Man Legends that that had eerie similarities. Far future, regressed terrestrial society. Space-civilizations hoarding high technology over the multitudes of relatively simple folk on Earth. The Moon Race being immortal thanks to their space-tech, and their leader ultimately wanting to give up immortality to die down among the normal people.
Maybe some of these points isn't as original as I'd think but both the week after the last episode of Turn A Aired: MML2 was released in Japan. It's not like Protoman being a Geloog.
Way back in the early 00's, Inafune did say in an interview that when making a Mega Man game, it's encouraged the staff look back into anime and tokusatsu they enjoyed as children, what aspects they enjoyed and how that can be adapted into Mega Man. Legends itself is evidence of how many Tatsunoko fanboys Capcom has, Roll Caskett is basically an Ai/Yatterman-2 reference.
I do believe, however, Princess Pride from Battle Network is based on the Princess from Turn-A Gundam.
ColorMan into WackoMan was weird too. I mean, at least rename him ClownMan, that name has a stronger basis on the actual franchise's history.
Considering Fireman was changed so real firemen wouldn't look bad and Needleman was changed because of the association with hypodermic needles (they really said that) I wouldn't be surprised if it was a racial thing.
Explain changing NapalmMan to "MoltanicMan" then. Pretty sure "moltanic" isn't even a defined word.
Something something Vietnam probably.
I sure hope they make up a lot because I can't be assed to care too much about what happens in that series. Except this guy. I don't care that he's stolen.
A massive chunk of Mega Man Zero's plot isn't in the games themselves, it's across the CD dramas, the Complete Works and the (now-defunct) Inti Creates Rockman Zero Collection Timeline website which cleared up many, many things.
Fricking Gundam SEED popularized this whole "have plot split across multiple media so people consoom", as it was a sales juggernaut.
>Gundam SEED
Mega Man lets Gundam influence it a lot.
Yeah I'm aware. I'm not happy about it because I actually think most of those only reduce the impact of the actual in game events.
I believe the scenario writer, Makoto Yabe, tried to explain given the tight deadlines, low budget allocated by Capcom (they had to pay the seiyuus themselves outside of Capcom's allowed budget) and the fact Zero is our perspective character (and therefore there isn't any feasable way in game he could witness something like Elpizo's backstory first-hand) the CD dramas became a go-to tool. Like how his name comes from Weil's secret project to control reploids at a global scale, as he does not trust machines with free will to be safe to live with, even with the Sigma Virus (and by proxy's, the remains of Wily's cognition according to Inafune) fully deleted by the anti-Sigma Virus program, the Mother Elf.
I swear there IS something good here, a tv show could make it cohessive.
I thought Digimon was the only franchise that did this supplementary material crap that gets ignored but 99% of the fanbase
Have you heard of .Hack Anon?
I tried rewatching that series
Turns out I only liked Yuki Kajiura's music and hated everything else.
I appreciate may idiosyncratic things about the first few installments. But
>I only liked Yuki Kajiura's music
You're not wrong that's the best thing about the franchise. I recently worked out I have had the Sign OST in my possession longer than any other thing I own.
Mega Man suffers that with an added dash of "too many hands" (X jumped from Capcom, to Inti, to Minakuchi Engineering, to Capcom to Value Wave and got inconsistent and increasingly fricked up) that things get too fricked up, and a bit of corporate resentment (Inti Creates were mostly newly-employeed people fresh off college, after 7 and X2, Takuya Aizu who was a coder in 7 took them away to form the solo company, Capcom's execs to this day fricking HATE Aizu over it because in Japan you're expected to stay at a company forever, it's socially shunned to go make your own). This was born from an off-hand comment, MM7 had an infamous development cycle of just a few months and no budget, Aizu complained and Inafune gave the smartass comment of "Don't like it? Make your own".
Ironically, Aizu now does the same to his employees, Gunvolt 2 has a horrible, horrible crunch as the game was completely revamped when the devs were already halfway through due to a whim of the Inti vice president Yoshihisa Tsuda (who directed MM7).
A lot of plot details are also on books published by Kodansha in the 90s that are no longer in print. They mention important shit people would've loved to know 20 years ago, like what happened between classic and X. The human government got fed up of Wily's shit and banned Robots as well as defunded and banned Dr. Light's Robot Cognitive Behavior research, they were all promptly retired and replaced with Mechaniloids, who have extremely simplistic AI. Both Light and Wily went on hiding on their own, Light basically worked on X in spite of being defunded and essentially being illegal on a secondary underground lab, but sealed X as he no longer had Roll or anyone to watch over him. Wily didn't even get to finish Zero, he died before fixing the error in Zero's cognitive program, as well as leaving the Virus half-coded. He did leave an AI copy of his wave patterns as part of the virus, though, the Wily that Sigma meets.
God, I forgot the Zero series fricking epilogue, a newspaper clip written from in-universe is a Japan-exclusive booklet that was part of the Remastered Soundtrack released a month after the fricking game. We get actually told what happened when the first shot from Ragnarok was fired towards Neo Arcadia.
>https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Vile%27s_Incident:_Eden_dome,_its_sin_and_rebirth
>December 16th. 3:31 p.m. A beam fired from the satellite turret Ragnarok pierced the center of Neo Arcadia, destroying the central area. More than 20 million people were killed, and the capital city ceased to function in a matter of seconds. On that day, the Dark Age of Neo Arcadia, under the reign of a single person named Doctor Vile, came to an end.
>It is said that more than 200 attack satellites of the same class alone are still hovering above our heads.
what the shit, this world is ten kinds of fricked
Makoto Yabe wrote this as to explain why the Mega Man Legends 2 World Map has several craters, on top of being flooded (which was Tethis/Mega Man Model L's goal as an eco-terrorist) on top of the Innerlands (ZX's cities) being based on Legends' concept art of the sunken cities beneath the waves.
god damn, I love Megaman's doomed-earth lore
>Legends' concept art
Every page of that fricking artbook is insane. What about the city built on top of a clockwork gear?
Hopefully one day we'll witness that.
Name of the artbook?
>https://rockmancosmo.weebly.com/rockman-dash-daibouken-guide.html
Thanks.
Y'know most of the time I think I'm a bitter jaded crusty old frick. But then I'll see something neat about Mega Man and stop thinking that for a little while.
If capcom didn't suck wieners we would've had Legends 3 and full HD remakes of the first two games by now, including the stuff from the concept art that was cut out due to technical constraints, like the Apple Market's original design.
Legends was truly ahead of its time and it's a shame that Capcom never realized it or marketed it properly
I want a Legends cartoon
Legends is prime for an anime adaptation. It's already reminiscent of early Ghibli tropes: ruined earth, ancient technology, airships, serious vs kooky villians, nature fixation, etc.
Did Capcom hate it or what lol
While I might be misinformed, because I can't come up with a source now that I'm looking, but from the story I remember being told MML was basically conceived of by Capcom to meet the constraint Sony put down that required 3D games be released in order to allow them to release the proven 2D formula games in the same series.
Capcom didn't care about MML performing well itself, they cared about wringing all the money they could out of the PlayStation. So they released remakes of the 6 NES games and MMX3 on PSX and went to town with MM8 and X4-6.
I don't think the people in charge at Capcom like anything to do with Mega Man.
I mean there hasn't really been a new game since... 2018 I think?
And since the 2000's before that.
Just look at the shit the released as X games despite the fact that the early X games were all amazing.
I guess Mega Man is just junk compared to Monster Hunter, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, and Devil May Cry.
The official line is "they don't know what to do with the series" right now. But really they just wanna milk the proven money makers.
It's not hate per se, Legends just never sold well enough to justify any support from the exec's point of view.
It wasn't scamming, it was poorly-concieved assumptions, the prototype was "far along into development" he could just leave and they wouldn't dare pull the plug. Then MN9 was a shitshow that wasn't helped by Aizu promising Inti could deliver on 3D and Ben Judd pushing those stretchgoals with Inafune thinking he could just do his producer job at Capcom without the actual support, as inti is a glorified doujin circle larping as an actual company with two dumbasses running it (Takiya Aizu and Yoshihisa Tsuda). A Japanese studio of PC-88 and PC-98 era weeaboos that have NEVER done 3D was a bad choice for MN9, and IGA found out before it was too late for Bloodstained.
I can't defend the NFT tho, that shit's a scheme. For better or worse, he was a work horse capable of overseeing so many projects at once, Capcom kept greenlighting Mega Man projects purely because "he earned it". It only took 2 projects to break Tsuchiya from what Inafune had been doing for 15 years, and people claim it's Meijin/Masakazu Eguchi's turn. But Mr. Famous himself already stated he does not want to step on those shoes as it comes with a lot of burden and responsibility, because Capcom are morons who expect a single producer to oversee 5 to 10 projects simultaneously.
>It wasn't scamming, it was poorly-concieved assumptions,
Being a *bad* scam, a *failed* scam doesn't mean it isn't a scam. He promised what he couldn't deliver. He assumed the leverage he put in place would stop Capcom from cancelling the game. It didn't.
>the prototype was "far along into development" he could just leave and they wouldn't dare pull the plug
That's horseshit. The Prototype wasn't a thing when Keiji left, it's something the team, by their own admission, pitched around March of 2011 to get additional funding. If it was a project plan to do that to get funding back in October: it was never mentioned. Also the game was not "Far into development" when Keiji left. We saw the dailies. They were using Powered Up and Network Transmission models as placeholders the first month. The only way it could be far along is if the entire Devblog particularly the fan submissions and feedback was faked which is a conspiracy I haven't seen advanced.
Keiji had tendered his resignation before the Comicon announcement of MML3. He quit because he was done with Capcom, and had big ideas about what the future of game development should be. Whatever you think motivated announcing MML3, and it was probably more complicated than one sentence: he knew he wasn't in control of it literally at the time he announced it.
The word scam implies ill intent from the getgo. This was all poor judgement and overstimating Inti's sources (something the employees b***h about in vorker, a Japanese site to review companies and one of the two directors of MN9 apologized about when handling Mighty Gunvolt Burst).
>That's horseshit.
I know being anon my word holds no weight but basically my friend was Inafune's assistant during PAX the next time after MN9 Kickstarter had succeeded and people were hyped. Inafune mentioned he was surprised about the cancellation and that was his explanation to my friend, Sven later online saying the Legends 3 engine was repurposed into EX Troopers and being shared with Treasure for Gaist Crush King on 3DS, probably to recoup costs. I know my source is "dude trust me" but I don't wish to dox myself or my friend in this website, all I can say is that Inafune claimed to him during their pre show meeting that he left Capcom because his new position would've meants he wouldn't be allowed to actually partake in game design and development nor draw concept art for it. This resembles the same woes Yusuke Nakano of Nintendo has, as a senior member he's in a position he has to ask special permission to draw, as now he's supposed to be overseeing new artists and doing menial office work.
>scam implies ill intent from the getgo
I believe Keiji did the corporate equivalent of approving every vacation request the day he quit. IF he honestly expected it would work then he's dumb not shifty.
>Spoilers
That's a different frame of reference. I honestly won't doubt you. I remember reports Keiji tried to work on MML3 under another entity as soon as he left. But what I still question is the idea Keiji NEVER thought this could fail. So many holes in the idea that Keiji seriously thought he would resign from the position invented for him on Capcom's board of directors - Global Production Head-, demote himself to a game designer position at Capcom and then get to greenlight his dream project to work on in his outgoing days and assign himself to that project. Clearly that wasn't what happened. Which had to become apparent. Whether it was before or after the game's announcement: it's impossible for me to say. But this certainly would have made obvious to Keiji he lost power he had to keep or force later changes.
Whatever other situation arose lead to the history as we see it now. I find it hard to believe Keiji didn't have any indication this would go wrong.
-Was his demo/resignation from the board accepted then later he found out he wasn't going to get to work on L3?
-Was he lied to by someone at Capcom's board saying they'd let him contract under a new company, and refused after he quit?
That would let him know about potential hostility from Capcom.
-Was he not able to get on the game due to the budget issues?
-Was he supplied terms that would've allowed it, but he found were unacceptable to work under?
That would clue him into realistic difficulties on the project already set up.
-Was Keiji unable to secure funding to a studio near enough to collaborate?
-Did Keiji have to take care of his dying mom and couldn't work?
Then he wasn't prepared for unexpected developments... which includes that national disaster in the middle.of development.
NTA but Inafune said that after he left Capcom (and went on his western media darling press blitz) that he told them they COULD "still hire him if he quit to work on the game". He never said anything like "I was expecting to be hired back, but I wasn't". Add to it L3 wasn't formally greenlit (a development strategy Inafune employed before), then the guy who took games that weren't formally greenlit to the finish lines quit the development not-even-halfway, doesn't really go down swinging but is not exactly like saying "I couldn't have asked for a better time in Capcom, I love everything!" in interviews, then says "you guys see this series that, by my own admission, never sold very well? I made it go public before its time, I'm the biggest champion for a third entry and the goodwill between this getting another sequel and my own goodwill is pretty much inseparable [at that time, anyway], I'm going to go become a competitor to you guys but I'm giving you the chance to pay me, as a potential competitor, for a product you guys never had much faith in making".
He's never expressed he was owed a return to the project. I doubt he ever did. And Inafune already knew he was getting liked by the west big time and always wanted to pivot game development here. As far as I go, I'd just call a spade a spade and say his departure was pretty much calculated. He'd leave the company, try to become his own Kojima (he said that was one of his goals at time of quitting, that he'd be as known as a Kojima, as in people'd play a game and would know it was Inafune who did it), milk his notMegaMans for what it's worth and leave Capcom to pick up the pieces.
Then Mighty No. 9 happened very much unlike what he thought it'd happen as.
That's more in line with what I've understood for the last decade. But, my response was to the story relayed by that anon who implied the PURPOSE of Keiji's resignation was to no longer have the duties and stature that would prevent him from working on the game.
Doesn't much change my conclusions but you sum it up in fewer words.
Doesn't seem to line up. Mikami demoted himself from some higher role he had when RE4 was under development, allegedly because the game wasn't coming along well and he wanted to work on it himself. Sounds like Inafune didn't want to stick with the responsibilities his position would've brought him, but didn't want to lose any perks, either.
Time to collect on his western cred, built on the back of saying "Japan is finished" for like 5 years or so, position himself as a martyr for Legends 3's inevitable cancellation and galvazine his image.
>Finish MML
>Hear about MML2
>Grind out everything because, with memory cards, you can probably transfer your save data!
>Find out Roll sold your maxed shining laser, but that wasn't enough, she even sold your fricking helmet
Why is the Flutter such a financial black hole? Shouldn't they buy a new one?
Setting the sentimental value aside (it was her parent's ship) I doubt strongly that's a wise financial decision. I don't imagine there's a reputable airship dealership anywhere on the planet designing and selling top of the line airships. Everyone is building their own to suit their own expedition needs, building it out of scrap from digs or junk markets. Teisel took out a million zenny loan to make the Gesellschaft. Then he and Bon then got enslaved by loanshasrks and even then they didn't have enough to actually finish the Gesellschaft and they have an army of workers who get paid in spaghetti.
Building a new airship from scratch would be a bigger moneysink than rebuilding part of one. Having to pay for a new airship probably is still less than a new engine. Otherwise wouldn't Roll have bought a used airship, ripped the engine out, and sold the rest for scrap?
>Teisel took out a million zenny loan to make the Gesellschaft. Then he and Bon then got enslaved by loanshasrks and even then they didn't have enough to actually finish the Gesellschaft and they have an army of workers who get paid in spaghetti.
And then it got blown up by Rock anyway.
>Teisel took out a million zenny loan to make the Gesellschaft
From https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps/197896-mega-man-legends/faqs/57739?page=3#section292
Active Buster total upgrade cost
1,760,000 Zenny
Shining Laser upgrade cost
835,000 Zenny
Spread Buster upgrade cost
249,000 Zenny.
That's 2,844,000 zenny right there.
The rest of Megaman's upgrades probably costs over 200k, meaning that a fully upgraded Megaman has spent over 3 Gesellchafts worth of money. And that thing's 4+ times the size of the Flutter.
>That's 2,844,000 zenny right there.
Yeah? But you think any of them would sell for that?
>The rest of Megaman's upgrades probably costs over 200k
Each? No. Together: Sure Grand Grenade by itself is over 300k to upgrade
>meaning that a fully upgraded Megaman has spent over 3 Gesellchafts worth of money. And that thing's 4+ times the size of the Flutter.
Even if we ignore we don't know what the full material, and labor costs were, how much scrap they were sitting on, if Tron's crimewave had operations that funded the completion, etc. Even if the Gessleshaft and all its launch craft's price was exactly 1 million: I have a hard time thinking the Shining Laser is overpriced. It doesn't even cost a million and (if you hack it in) it can down the Gessleshaft in 6 seconds of combat. this more suits an argument that the Gessleshaft's construction was shoddy.
I'm not trying to say Roll is innocent of that line of design either. She's making the weapons out of junk parts mostly too. The first half of MML1 has her doing get-it-going repairs. Which doesn't appear to cost anything except the refractor from the water ruin. But that doesn't make it high-quality, and only makes the argument for proactive replacement or preventative maitinance to avoid it failing. Though I guess the idea of wear and tear on machines is an entirely foreign concept to the rest of the Mega Man franchise.
>Yeah? But you think any of them would sell for that?
You just said one of those weapons downs an airship in 6 seconds. Even at 50% market value that's over 1.4 million zenny.
If you can't sell something that downs airships in 6 seconds for ~400k zenny, you're really not trying.
>market value
Dude everywhere is literally an island. Trying to sell stuff in Legends would just be jumping between captive markets. Is there 1,000,000 Zenny on the next island? Is it in the control of one person that wants to trade stuff? Are there harsh regulatory penalties for foreign traders? Is the only town run by a mob boss? Is it a hunter-gatherer society? All of these are open questions.
Roll is somehow able to make an infinite amount of missiles for the Active Buster. Imagine she could only do that with a matter replicator. She didn't invent it, she had to pay someone who refused to give up the only matter replicator on Kattleox for less than 990,000 zenny. Now imagine three islands and 700 miles over they have reverbots running amok that integrate those and and no one can figure out how to use the things productively so their junk shop would've given it up for 40,000 zenny. What value is the third party going to consider the value for that?
Roll is just a greedy b***h. At least Tron does her hardest to stretch her Zenny with what she can get.
Tron literally could make her servebot army 20% more effective by painting their headparts red and she refuses to do so.
I'm the massive spoiler anon, my friend did told me Inafune during their meeting pre-show mention "had I known Capcom were to cancel DASH 3, I would've quit after the release of that game. The team were good and completely capable of developing a good game without me overseeing.
If I recall correctly, it's the same team who did Star Force 3 and Mega Man 11.
FUN FACT: The fate of mankind depends on Dr. Light getting laid.
If he remains a bachelor, he studies his doctorate at the RIT on robotics and this leds humanity to die on global scales time and time again until they finally go extinct sometime after 25XX (ZX).
If Dr. Light gets laid and has a son, he instead does his doctorate on Network communications and human-AI interaction from purely a digital front, rather than actual robotics.
In both timelines, Dr. Wily is better building hardware but bitter at Light as his research gets shut down in favor of his, but on the Internet timeline at least nature isn't almost completely gone by the 22nd century (ever noticed how all forests are bio-mechanical? And many animal reploids like Neon Tiger built for the preservation of species going extinct) and even reaches the 23rd century with no Colony drop..
>We must never forget. The war known as Vile's Incident began because of our human mistakes. Just as the crash of the giant colony devastated the earth, the satellite turret Ragnarok was supposed to put an end to the nature that had begun to show signs of recovery. When we emerged from the shell and looked up at the night sky, we saw the life of a hero who had fought his way through.
My favorite part is how even though most of the Eurasia was destroyed by the Shuttle and Signas claimed it a successful mission by avoiding complete obliteration of Earth, the chunk that did hit Earth and the damage it caused was enough for people in the future to disagree and claim the Colony ended up making contact with Earth, thus the Hunters failed at their job.
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If they do a Megaman Zero anime... Please be animated by the Trigger studio and have the staff of the series be that of Cyberpunk Edgerunners
Its impressive how much Capcom hates this franchise.
if Dr Wily isn't the villain then into the trash it goes
>"we have Dr. Wily at home"
>Dr. Wily at home
Damn why'd Wily shave his daughter's head like that?
He's actually the grandson of the real Dr. Wily.
I'd rather a Rockman-san anime
this was garbage too
>what if megaman is a dentist
he's already back in action in the last chapter. Even then the main focus is showing the robot masters adapting to mundane lives
As long as we have THAT Roll I am mighty fine with it.
What is this version of Megaman about?
Normalgay problems for robots designed for hyper specific sometimes not useful for getting jobs skills. Some chapters are just stuff like Topman becoming an influencer. Enker is extremely autistic.
Alright Mister Enker have you given any more thought to what do you want to do?
>KILL MEGAMAN!!!!
I've told you already that's not a career path anyone's had success with. Do you have any hobbies or interests?
>I kinda like .. birds.
There's posts opening for a wildlife surveyor down in Shikoku. Do you think would would be able to adequately discern different species and specimens to get a proper count of the wildlife population?
>My memory is literally photographic...
Well that's the most promise we've heard from any of your last 44 job placements.
>cartoon
That's the problem right there.
Inafune ran Mega Man. Without Inafune, they basically abandoned it to the dirt.
Mega Man will never return to its prime because of this.
No one at Capcom cares about Megaman.
No one at Capcom cares about quality control.
>Inafune ran Mega Man.
Inafune was a scam artist that took all the credit of an entire team of producers that made Megaman what it is.
When left on his own, he made Mighty No. 9 and Red Ash,
REMEMBER RED ASH? NO?
yeah.
Mighty No. 9 isn't all on Inafune, Takuya Aizu also fricked up real hard as the producer of the game. He's the one who assembled the team, promised Inti could do 3D (they can't, IGA kicked them off Bloodstained RotN for a reason) and assigned the TWO directors MN9 had (one of which did Burst as an apology game).
Inafune really seems to resent Aizu over this, during his Gunvolt 3 interviews with Aizu he's non-stop roasting the guy with pure resentment, and for a while let him be the fall guy for GV3's shit plot despite that been on Yoshihisa Tsuda and not Inafune who merely worked on gameplay with Miyazawa.
In regards to the GV3 shitshow:
>稲船:プロデューサーとしては一番厄介なタイプですね。普通であれば能力のないプロデューサーですよ。
>Inafune: That’s the most dangerous type of product a producer can have to deal with. Were this a normal business, you’d be considered a producer with no actual skills
>會津:すみません。
>Aizu: I am sorry
I'll repost something that was posted on /mmg/ a while back, it stuck with me:
>Aizu's problem consistently has been his recklessness
>Honestly, the more I think about it the more I realize MN9's faults are more on Aizu than Inafune
>Aizu was who insisted on using a western engine, promising Inti could use it in spite of the language barrier (UE had no Japanese documentation and Matt Papa was still not employed at Inti)
>Aizu was who appointed the directors
>Aizu was the one who egged on Inafune to push for stretch goals
>Aizu also promised Capcom online co-op for Mega Man 10 and failed to deliver
>I think the so-called Con Man wasn't the root issue after all
Seething hatred is a bit much considering they are still working together. You don't need to sensationalize what is otherwise very good and important information.
I didn't mean to sensationalize it, it's just knowing how the Japanese language usually works, as well as Japanese corporate ethiquette, it's surprising in 3 separate GV3 interviews Inafune basically throws Aizu under the bus calling him useless.
Aizu IS an idiot though, in the New Years 2021 Inti Creates Livestream he got drunk and began spilling the beans about ZX3 in regards how far into development and confirming Japanese rumors that the game could've been called ZXC but the C is pronounced "Cradle" thus "Rockman Zex Cradle". Yoshihisa Tsuda promptly tried to stop him, that they shouldn't be talking about an unreleased contractual game.
For reference, Tsuda is older than Aizu, he's the Vice President of Inti Creates and the reason Gunvolt 3's story fell apart, as he had actual hate towards the character Copen upstaging Gunvolt within the Japanese fandom (infamously getting angry at 5ch anons, same image board I saw the Cradle bit and reactions to it) and who decided to decanonize Copen's half of GV2 and turn GV3 into a complete rip off of Choujin Locke: Dragons' Blood, one of the final arcs of a boomer manga he based GV on. Much like GV, Locke is the most powerful psychic ever and nothing can stop him.
>Rockman Zex Cradle
Oh, that would have gone over SO well... not.
ZX is already called Rockman Zex (rokkuman zekkusu) in Japan, I remember way back then people in places like Planet Mega Man going "what the frick is this, are we doing a porno now?"
I get their intention, the zetto and ekkusu katakana fused because Model Z and Model X fuse, but man it came out wrong.
>ZXC
The frick happened to ZXB?
Makoto Yabe was probably going for an "arrival and birth" angle, he did state from the getgo was to have ZX connect to Legends, to the point in his Legacy Collection interview mentions the ultimate Biometal fusion being Model XyZ and that'd be pronounced "DASH", "Model DASH".
>the ultimate Biometal fusion being Model XyZ and that'd be pronounced "DASH", "Model DASH".
fricking what??? lol
The interview was translated, he mentioned XyZ was an early concept though, but ZX remained to be the point where everything goes to hell after 2 centuries of peace following Zero 4.
>Model XyZ
From where the y came from?
Japanman
No idea, they do weird shit like that. Like how "555" in Kamen Rider is pronounced Faiz.
Some concept like torturing a rhyme?
Oh no,, 555 is just the input code for the Faiz Gear. Nice reference, though.
STANDING BY
>Henshin!
COMPLETE
NTA, but I did. The writing was painfully mediocre.
Probably just from the alphabet
>What's between X and Z?
>Y
>Okay, slap that in there.
I think a lot of people forget too that Inafune did a lot more than just Mega Man once the mid-90's hit. MM3 up to Legends 1, MM8 and MM&B he was deeply involved with the franchise alongside Hayato Kaji, his unsung "partner in crime" as both wrote the story and planned concepts with the team for the gameplay. Way back in the day in the old Capcom.co.jp site after the release of Rockman & Forte in Japan, Kaji and Inafune swore that game was gonna be the last classic game simply because they didn't believe they could do anything else with it without overlapping too much with X (Bass already had a dash and double jump after all).
During those years, Inafune was raised from his position on Mega Man to be the producer of various Capcom properties, including Street Fighter Alpha, Resident Evil, Dino Crisis, Darkstalkers' sequels and so on. He was still allowed to do stuff on Mega Man purely because he was a work horse in spite of the series becoming diminishing returns. Him and Kaji did an original plot pitch for X4 that got fricked by Koji Okohara because he felt he could do better. Not only is X4 a narrative mess, for some reason he was given leeway to direct X5, X6 and X7, with an outsource group known as Value Wave, a sketchy company that sold used PC parts but did coding on the side and did the shit-tastic Capcom arcade ports for PS1 as well as Mega Man 64 and DMC2. The studio went belly up but 50% of it's assets were absorbed by Capcom and 50% became a freelance company known as Sugarcut. Both halves did Street Fighter V, the same people who fricking gave us X7 and DMC2.
Anyway, the X4 team went on to work on Battle Network, among them were still Hayato Kaji (who still had his own responsibilities but kept Mega Man on the side like Inafune did designing Viruses and giving suggestions), Mega Man Battle Network 5 and 6's versions of Colonel and Iris were created basically out of lowkey resentment towards Okohara ruining them.
>The studio went belly up but 50% of it's assets were absorbed by Capcom and 50% became a freelance company known as Sugarcut. Both halves did Street Fighter V, the same people who fricking gave us X7 and DMC2.
No wonder SFV had so msny issues at launch. Ono took the brunt of the blame as well iirc.
>Him and Kaji did an original plot pitch for X4 that got fricked by Koji Okohara because he felt he could do better
Somebody knows what was it?
Iris and Colonel's characterization was different (X DiVE versions of those characters are based more on Kaji's notes than the actual X4) and the story was supposed to be much more nuanced in regards to the government labelling anything they don't like as Maverick (which in-universe has the meaning of Malfunctioning Robot). The final story is very muddled, Colonel doesn't surrender because MUH HONOR, instead they were supposed to surrender and Sigma was to alter the investigation through false information feeding to make it seem the Sky Lagoon incident was a deliberate attack. General then would've called for insurrection because of this.
Okohara also removed from in-game the fact Cyber Peawiener was false flagging the Hunter HQ database with false investigation data in regards to repliforce while Split Mushroom was feeding repliforce false orders from the Bio Tower, using it as an anthena for false communications (General said it wasn't a violent rebellion, yet Stingray destroyed a city, Final Weapon had an orbital mounted laser and Spider was protecting an auxiliary cannon, this was Mushroom's false orders).
All of this because Inafune loved Iwamoto's Rockman X manga and wanted more nuanced X, which Kaji agreed to. We didn't even got in-game the fact Reploids are allowed to exist because they're officially second class citizens, more akin to tools capable of self carrying of orders, with the government labelling any reploid disagreement to that as "oh, he's malfunctioning, we're sending Zero now" to supress them.
First off, Capcom doesn't give a flying rats' ass about Mega man so they never do a quality check on the cartoons.
Secondly, the keep adapting Rock for some reason, and Rock's one of the lamest Mega man versions (lacks dash.but Xover/Over1 is worse)
Lastly, the 94 cartoon looks fairly faithful to the source material, but I never watched it so I can't vouch for it
While I don't necessarily agree OG Mega Man is bad... I do think it's odd the X series has so many fewer adaptations. Only 2 official comic lines, only animation was in game fmv/content while being the most expansive successor series, despite having a more dramatic plot, one of the franchise's most popular characters, and core concept that lends itself to episodic stories pretty well.
>Secondly, the keep adapting Rock for some reason, and Rock's one of the lamest Mega man versions
Fake fan, X is gay as hell.
When I was a dumb kid I thought Rock was lame and X was so much better but I've become Classicpilled since then
You're free to your opinions, but the dash (and wall-jumping) makes the Mega Man games for me.
Rock lacks a dash.
Forgot to say, the start of X1 before you get the leg upgrades is pretty painful to replay because dashing is so fricking good.
I've always thought X has far better mechanics while Classic has the better level design (especially later down the X line...). So they've always been even for me
>well holy goddamn
I understood that reference
And people care more about Dust Man than Boomer Kwanger
Of course no one cares about Boomer Kwanger.
Tall and lanky is gay and weak.
Short and round is manly and powerful.
>Boomer Kwanger
Isn't he fairly popular?
Why boomer kuwanger? Every X1 boss is fairly well known.
That anon could have used some boss from x2.
Thanks
I can guarantee you more people Boomer Kwanger’s music than Dustmans.
>The original megaman
>lame
Let me guess, you have a boner for the x series? What a poser
I'm sad we don't get to see much of Zero sis.
Need sexy Roll.
Hey. Don't lewd my daughter.
Roll with it her body her creators choice.
Guy in the back looks like the Mayor of Maybe from the Bibleman cartoon.
We already did.
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And anyway, the Ruby Spears cartoon wasn't that bad. More accurate then expected, aside from Protoman.
It's pretty dumb but entertaining for sure. Megaman defending the statue of Abe Lincoln with his life will never not be funny to me. But I do think it would've been cool if they kept the OG designs
There was nothing wrong with Protoman, they were even going to swap him out with Bass and have Protoman be his helping from distance self. Sadly the show ended before that happened.
>they were even going to swap him out with Bass and have Protoman be his helping from distance self.
Pretty sure one of the former writers confirmed that as a bullshit rumor.
It was Joe Ruby in an interview, rather than a writer. He also mentioned the reason Mega Man didn't change colors was to avoid animation mistakes by swapping colors per weapon.
it's a goldmine of unintentional comedy
Could have been better if the e-girl actually got chubby from the addictive food
>this was going to be Zero
For some strange reason, Zero successors have a tendency to be black women.
I forgot how sexy she was.
I'd like a non-episodic Mega Man animated series that isn't made in japan.
The funny thing is it wouldn’t be that hard to make a fairly accurate megaman cartoon.
It would require Roll, and Roll is too perfect for this world
She really is.
but we did
Iron Kid in original version
Eon Kid in U.S. version
Read Megaman Megamix if you haven't already.
It's really fricking good
I thought Gutsman was sexy.
>Screenshot from the episode where gutsman full body vores bad box art mega man
the frick?
No joke
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Crapcom is worse than EA and Activision put together. Frick Crapcom, pirate Crapcom products.
The BN Legacy Collection has been nice though, netcode works and they bothered translating the originally-removed Boktai scenario in EXE6, the removed Immortal Area and chips are back and fixed the original BN6 code so you don't get locked out of the Django chip.
X Collection Vol. 1 can go frick itself though, shit SNES emulation.
>shit SNES emulation.
Was that the one with horrible input delay?
Precisely. They sort of patched it for the PS4, but Capcom went as far as to say Digital Foundry are full of bullshit and not any sort of official entity with any power and say, as well as the usual "We here at Capcom are concerned about the quality of our software".
I don't even know how something like that can get released. You'd think someone somewhere would notice such a huge delay. Made the fricking thing unplayable
I was really disappointed when I bought the collection.
Fortunately the X LC2, Zero/ZX LC and BN LC are all source code ports, so you don't get to deal with that shit.
But they also used the most frick ugly font imaginable for BN.
>Netflixvania S1 and S2's producer wanted to do a "hard R" Megaman movie
Man, imagine a Megaman adaptation with scientist politics instead of vampire politics.
Classic Mega Man doesn't work with R rating. Inafune and Kaji were very pushy that if people wanted "mature" Mega Man, that was X's and Zero's place. Inafune complained that Super Adventure Rockman was inappropriate when the helicopters get destroyed because it didn't show the crew parachutting safely, mentioning G.I. Joe (hey we're back on Cinemaphile!), supported by his words around 2001 that classic Mega Man is aimed towards very young children. In his and Kaji's mind, Classic Mega Man is aimed torwards children aged 5 to 8 and X and Zero for tweens and teens.
The games themselves are also very unapologetic about it usually, classic Mega Man is very saturday morning cartoon and everything has googly eyes. It was even kind of surprisingly eerie when Wily shows Bass the blueprints for Zero, purely because at that time Kaji thought classic had run it's course and it was time to move on from it.
I think in more recent years, Capcom's been downplaying Wily's role in the MMX series by saying that the Maverick Virus is the result of him rushing Zero's creation and not properly checking his work for errors.
That hasn't been the case, though. The virus works fine, what he didn't fix before his death Zero's cognitive program, but the issue is that while Zero "functions" out of the box (i.e. his prime directive of KILL EVERYTHING works fine, he just doesn't accept any input of orders, being a worse Bass as Wily is in-canon a worse coder than Light), the virus does work as he wanted, it makes machines malfunction. The problem is, Wily didn't expect the virus to essentially make Zero's "evil hex" stack-overflow from 255 back to 0 and instead of being even worse, he became a good (if wienery) guy. The good Zero we know is actually the result of him malfunctioning, the good Zero IS a maverick in the in-universe definition of malfunctioning machine. Wily's AI spent as early as X2 (under the identity of "Serges") trying to find ways to fix and finish Zero, with his second robot body, Isoc, fixing Zero after X5 purely to spite Light. The Japanese books mention that X's mission in X2 during Magna Centipede stage was to stop a global broadcast of the virus that would purify Zero's body, and because that failed and the dreams failed, Wily got fed up and went for the Colony plan, leading to the Earth Crisis.
> "hard R" Megaman movie
I’d kill for an animated adaptation of the Protomen.
Why, in my day all we had was Captain N: The Game Master, and we made do with it, dammit!
>It's like Popeye smoked an entire Marlborough factory
I hate doug walker, but that line cracks me up.
I have a very soft spot for the Ruby Spears version
>the fricking interior shadows making a skull
Damn
I never noticed that before, really shows what could be done when you outsource something to an animation team with someone who really wants to show off.
This anon
was right all along. You're fricking autistic.
Honestly, this is one of the best ideas. You could even use a framing device such as it all being witnessed by a clock-themed entity like ClockMan witnessing the history of Mega Man.
so how is Dive Offline?
are the swimsuit alts still there?
Yes
As far as characters, it includes everyone that wasn’t also part of one of the game crossover events.
So no Monster Hunter/Street Fighter/DMC characters
that'd be cool as shit but that would be pretty much for megaman nerds, realistically Capcom would just settle for a show that gets the megaman name out there first. with two normal megaman shows being ass and NT being better (never watched it so ill just take other people's words) but being based on a side series it would make sense to establish one megaman show based in the normal megaman series. just one good show with a season or two that could catch normal watchers would be amazing for the megaman series.
but if we're just imaging here then an anthology that rotates which series gets the next episode would be fantastic. maybe something lighthearted for the baseline series, something with intrigue and more raw action for the x series, and so on and so forth giving each series a unique role to fill.
fricking "AAARRF", Zero has a real way with words
Just make a show that incorporates elements from everything. New universe.
A new universe where everything's connected by internet cyberspace and UHF radio stations, while simultaniously inventing robots, but also being invaded by aliens, but also having robots revolt and try to seize power, and also there are roboticpeople digging in ancient robot-filled catacombs to figure out what happened to humans, and genocidal human villains are made immortal and also they play soccer?
You took that way too literally.
This is actually doable:
Season 1- Focus on the real world, cyberspace and radio waves with hints of a robot revolution brewing and aliens existing.
Season 2- Focus on the robot revolution.
Season 3- In the aftermath of the robot revolt, aliens invade. Cast must put aside their differences to save the world.
Season 4- A threat from an underground society were the line between man and machine no longer exists makes itself known. Our heroes learn a shocking secret that changes the way they view humanity.
Soccer can be used in filler episodes and there will be plenty of genocidal villains, human or otherwise throughout the show.
>Legends-inspired Rock & Roll to get that teen look to them. Roll would look like pic-related.
>Robot Masters using their Battle Network designs
>Wily’s the big bad. Blues is his number 2 until he defects and is replaced by Bass. Bass has his BN design.
>The Bonnes and Servbots are included.
>Betty & Veronica dynamic with Rock with Kalinka Cossack as the Betty and Tron Bonne as the Veronica. As with Classic, Roll is very much Rock’s sister in this.
Mega Man Dr Who regenerates every time he has to use a one-up and takes on elements of different Mega Men.
That’s dumb as hell. The character regenerated because the previous actor wanted to leave. What reason does the animated Mega Man have?
To have different power sets, and not have all of them all at the same time.
Classic Mega Man already does that when he copies abilities from the different Robot Masters.
I wish MM8's cutscenes were an actual series (complete with the atrocious voice acting)
Have people stopped lionizing the Archie Mega Man comics? That shit had serious flaws.
Instead of literal adaptions of each game, Flynn could’ve streamlined the story to have the Mega Man/Break Man conflict at the start with 1’s Robot Masters. The Protomen did just that. That way, Blues will join the hero side as Proto Man at the end of it, and Bass can show up sooner.
>Bass can show up sooner.
Crossover tell me Ian REALLY wanted to use Bass.
You could've gotten the pre 7 games down to like 3 arcs and then just had Bass show up to fight in the World's Strongest Robot tournament and be a face for a while.
Flynn made things harder for himself for absolutely no reason.
>Model Pax never-ever (I figure it would be the first two letters because of Prometheus)
Fuuuuuuuuuck
Putting that aside, I was pleasantly surprised by how fun ZX and ZXA were. Despite the completely idiotic premise, I had a good time with both of them.
Isn't Pandora using a model W?
Prometheus too, I believe.
Technically everyone is using Model W.
Model W had a ton of tiny chunks that were used by a ton of enemies. Basically every boss in Advent had pieces of model W. There's also huge model Ws.
>Despite the completely idiotic premise
?
It's an "I hate Japanese tokusatsu sci fi because it's different from my comfort zone" episode.
Although ZX Advent is largely inspired by Kamen Rider Ryuki, plot-wise.
X, Zero, and the guardians turned into power-ranger transformation devices because.... shut up, that's why.
Games were fun. but the premise is bad.
There's also the whole Model Albert debacle.
I admit it's been over a decade since I played, but didn't X's cyberelf/soul frick off to finally get some rest after the Zero series?
Seems like a dick move to drag him back and confine him into a transformation-totem
Then again, X isn't a reploid, why does he even have a cyberelf?
People STILL think the models are the actual characters? Go check Yabe's interview in Rockman Unity, it's in English in Rockman Corner.
The Models are NOT the characters, they're archival devices of their skills and abilities, Ciel essentially made them so to avoid another Copy X hiccup, they weren't even voiced originally but due to the DS having the capacity of full speech and the seiyuus starting to blow up in popularity, Aizu requested Yabe to add dialogue for the Models so they'd get use out of the seiyuu before they became too expensive for Inti to afford.
Model Albert was due plausible deniability, Capcom had forbid Inti to approach and interact with Value Wave (the Japanese corporate resentment I mentioned earlier in this thread) so Aizu had to rely on magazines and what Inafune could tell him to see where Rockman X was going.
In the end, Yabe decided to keep it vague as he still didn't knew what Axl's fate would be in X8, but the bottle cap he designed on Model A's forehead in his mind is a special seal that is keeping Lumine at bay.
As for X, he became a cyber elf once his DNA Soul (the strange magitek that allows reploids for their free will) split in 5. The "core" of X's DNA Soul became the Cyber Elf X we talk to, but the other 4 parts were repurposed on older armor sets that belonged to X and became the four guardians.
Insert joke about 1/4th of X being a woman here. As for Fefnir, he proves Squid Adler was right. X DOES love combat deep down.
I thought the Guardians were just based on X's various armour abilities (flight, stealth, underwater combat, and raw firepower), not built from parts of him.
This tidbit was written upon Z2's release, the guardians were just 4 frickers based on X on Z1, but as Yabe wrote the Elf Wars since the original MMZ plan got busted thanks to X6.
I remember reading long ago the Japanese fans assuming the Guardians are built from Falcon Armor (Harpuia), Gaea Armor (Fefnir), Shadow Armor (Phantom) and either the classic blue armor or an unknown underwater armor (Leviathan).
Special Weapons like Active Buster probably still work off the same matter replicator tech classic Mega Man special weapons worked off.
In the case of the ones with infinite ammo I agree. Sure it could be they're used and just have a limit on the system energy recovery. But if I had to speculate I'd suggest most were just a physical magazine of mine pods or grenades or mortar shells fit into the weapons or Mega Man's right arm. Sure this was foundational tech as early as MM1, and all over in X as well. But teleporting is a rare technology in MML too and that used to be everywhere.
We have also to remember that Carbons can interface with technology in ways that aren't explained and you're just supposed to accept (similar to Getter Robo transformations) as we see Mega Man's body literally change from "regular human" to "balljoint doll armor body" in Legends 2, Joe's arm and Prof. Caskett's half of his head. And Teisel's and Bon's bodies, too.
So, was MML3 a scam?
No, Inafune went against the family. You never go against the family.
Scam? Yeah by Inafune. He wanted to put Capcom's ass out if they cut off a public community driven project. Which they did eventually... but not after clearly investing enough resources and actual development that it didn't cost Capcom money.
If it were up to me... I would like to make a new Megaman anime but using the drawing style of Ruby Spears' Megaman intro (More specifically the shots where the characters very well drawn) and I would try to adapt the stories of each game... 1 or 2 games per season, depending on how long the history of each game is
Man, it'd be funny because the Japanese Rockman fandoms already compare R-S Mega Man to the original Casshern due to the artstyle.
Although Japanese zoomers don't seem interested on this type of Hero anymore. The Gatchaman reboot, CROWNS, kinda looks like shit. I've not seen it but compared to the original, it's too different.
The intro was animated by those who made the promo pitch and the edutaiment OVAs, the rest of the show was done by who gives a shit Wang Film except for the Megaman X episode.
typical bait and switch
lets not forget that we almost got a real megaman anime in the 90s but got shit canned
looks like they run out of budget after the intro
>I would try to adapt the stories of each game... 1 or 2 games per season
You’re making the same mistake that Ian Flynn made. The early games have very little story to them. Why adapt each game when you can merge them to create a better more satisfying narrative
The more megaman went forward, it didn't became Gundam, it became Battletech AFTER the first and second succession wars and the Amaris Coup.
The Birth of Proto-Man was literally the introduction of the Mackie into a world to a world that never took robotics seriously, and after his baptism of fire, everything changed.
shit
I liked it.
I liked Megamix/Gigamix. Did a good job of not just being a straight up adaptation of barebones game plots but also a fun series of stories.
People always get wierd about their pet Robot master not being portrayed well enough. Most of the Archie b***hing was this
Don't they have no personalities in the games?
Some of them smirk in their profile photo!
Only in the manuals and some in-game profiles.
The original ones gained development with the remake.
In the games' universe, Dr. Light's behavior research was to give robots free will and individual personalities. So they would work alongside humanity for a better future. while the 20XX classic era Robot Masters have distinct personalities, they all still work within a prime directive they can't function out of. Rock became Mega Man because of his "help humans" directive, Bass does a lot of shit including disobeying Wily because his AI reached the conclusion his own creator is an obstacle in his "destroy Mega Man and prove you're a superior model" Directive.
This is the sort of thing that sets Robot Masters from X and Reploids apart, and even then, the Daihyakka book claims when X was activated on the newly-established Reploid society by Cain (Cain didn't activate him right away), X's capacity of free will already was vastly superior to the first generations of reploids, with X being truly man-like. The novel Rockman X: Irregular Report made use of this tidbit.
oh frick the board's getting spammed
bumping this thread so it's not pushed off
Seeing how Archie stopped and Boom studios made one, Who owns the rights to the comics now?
They're probably just licensing the rights on a case by case basis. Street Fighter itself isn't exclusive to Udon, because they have a TMNT crossover going right now and Udon isn't acknowledged in the slightest, which also suggests it's licensed only case-by-case.
People are watching NT Warrior here
>https://cytu( DOT) be/r/UnderBBS
Hypno Woman has good "assets" to her human design though.