>First time i watched cowboy bebop was in english so english is best xd
Thats what i read
English dub will never be good because the female voice actresses are complete dogshit
Another anime i was told had great english dubbing was space dandy, the males are great but as soon as a femoid starts talking it ruins everything
>women with breathy voices are manly
this is why you can never take subgays seriously; they have full on brainrot from hearing high pitched voices for so long. they don't know what normal people sound like.
>First time i watched cowboy bebop was in english so english is best xd
Thats what i read
English dub will never be good because the female voice actresses are complete dogshit
Another anime i was told had great english dubbing was space dandy, the males are great but as soon as a femoid starts talking it ruins everything
The other obvious one is Hellsing Ultimate. Are there others?
>Because anime and video games cannot be adapted to live actors. They just don't work in the mediu
Not true, the artists are just too fricked up and incapable to get the job done.
Anime/manga can very easily be adapted really well if you use some decent stuff as the source, but all anyone watches is shounen/isekai garbage aimed at moronic 9 year olds.
Western directors are narcissistic and hate adapting other authors' works, they never respect the source material. They only use the source material as a "paint job" to tell their own original stories that are somewhat similar.
The same thing applies to Dune (2021), I don't know what the frick this pretentious capeshit is, but it isn't a proper adaptation.
If you critique them for missing the entire point of the original work the shill army argues that "CHANGES MUST BE MADE FOR MEDIUM", which is utter bullshit, maybe some changes but in most cases all changes serve only one purpose, the director's ego.
They did a piss poor job first of all, but it was a losing battle from the beginning. The cartoon is already very good. Taking something that's already very good and then "redoing" is usually a bad idea. They should find things that kind of suck or are dated but have somewhat interesting storylines in general and adapt those stories in a better way, like they are doing with The Boys. Maybe it's time to adapt 1950's optimistic/weird space pulp stories or film noir. Or take something kind of stale and dated like The Never ending Story and remake it in a much better way. Or even flash gordon. Instead they take already successful great concepts and try to just redo them in another medium. It's kind of stupid. The fans of the original will just look at it and be like "yeah that doesn't look right" and they will know all the plot points so it won't unfold in an interesting way and to people who aren't fans it will just look weird and cheap.
Its not. Its the weeb version of "My favorite movie is Casablanca" it was good for its time but much more engaging stuff has been made since then and surpassed it.
>show is heavily inspired by America culture >Americans are in charge to adapt >They try to do something too Japanese
There shouldn't be a more testimony of incompetence than having your CV associated with this show.
Thr only man who actually TRIED was, unfortunately, Cho
These, but I also have a few thoughts
I only watched the first opening scene, but it was horrible.
First of all, despite Jet the casting was shit. Everyone needed to be younger. They didn't need to make Faye have purple hair, they should have just let it be black.
They need to act like real people not anime characters. Just make Ed hyper and autistic, not an anime goofball because that will never work.
They used the structure of the opening of the movie, but changed the dialogue and changed it to a space casino which made no sense.
If you're going to copy the scene, why not copy it exactly? Or if you're going to change it, why not give the audience something actually new?
It turns into a clusterfrick, the scene makes no sense. It's fricking impossible to rob a casino on Earth, how the frick would someone do that in space? A random shit convenient store makes sense. They're having a gun battle in the open and the heros are all unscathed, tons of storm trooper shooting aim which also ruins it. The movie opening is far more realistic, which is pretty sad. One of the things that makes Bebop unique is it's far more grounded and realistic than many anime, so for a live action adaption it should be taken in that direction.
What they needed to do was either be faithful to the story, or do completely different casting/adventures, like The Boys has done. They went too far down the middle and it's unfortunately garbage.
Anime is too goofy to adapt without fundamentally altering the source material. Which pisses off fans.
Even a good dub can sometimes piss people off because suddenly they're hearing the goofy dialogue in their native tongue.
So the only way to do it is to find some manga nobody knows about and adapt that.
Because they fundamentally didn't understand Cowboy Bebop.
They thought it was >wow cool spaceship >wow cool jazz music >wow cool action kung-fu scenes
In reality, Cowboy Bebop is a cyberpunk anime disguised as a space opera and noire. The noire elements are why the series leans towards jazz music and the genre lends itself to telling crime stories really well, which is why the genre was chosen.
The crime stories were chosen because it highlighted what a terrible society that the future had become, even with an international solar system inhabited, mankind never took care of the basic needs of humanity that gave rise to crime and poverty, in fact now its gotten so big that the solar system needs bounty hunters just to get by.
The characters are bystanders in this world, and watching the cast catch criminals brings a bit of comfort and familiarity.
All of this is wrapped up in a well animated series which lended itself to a realist aesthetic that blended nicely with the crime and sci-fi noire setting.
What the Netflix crew should have done is try and use the live action film to their advantage. Make the show more realistic, lean more heavily on the crime aspect, the noire aspect. Instead the netflix crew just tried to literally make a pastiche of the animated visuals, pleasing no one.
>the netflix crew just tried to literally make a pastiche of the animated visuals, pleasing no one.
I'd believe it if the casting wasn't horrible. "WELCOME TO THE OUCH!" indeed.
You can't just imitate art and expect it to resonate with the same audience, Cowboy Bebop was such a perfect compilation of the animation technology of its time, a good script, free reign for creatives obsessed with western media and a kino soundtrack.
Nothing could come close to replicating the feel.
Frick Netflix.
>show is heavily inspired by America culture >Americans are in charge to adapt >They try to do something too Japanese
There shouldn't be a more testimony of incompetence than having your CV associated with this show.
Thr only man who actually TRIED was, unfortunately, Cho
For the show in general it's because they were incompetent hacks who had no love or interest even in the source material beyond using the name to sell their own shitty original ideas and takes.
for Ed in particular it's because that kind of goofy anime autism can't work in reality you need to rework the way that character acts entirely to work in live action.
>anime live action
Theres your answer. The medium is the message, and cowboy bebop came from pure passion and a product of love, a testament of what anime can be at its best.
Part of it was also the lack of understanding of the heart of cowboy bebop, was that fundamentally, every character is running from their past and themselves. They, like most adults, see and experience a lot of shit, but still wake up and eat breakfast in the morning, just as Jet and Spike make bell peppers with no beef even though they witnessed a tragic end for someone in a rough spot. Is the show fun? Yes. Is the jazz great? Absolutely. But people remember Cowboy Bebop not because of the twists and turns in Spike facing his past and fighting over Julia like they're fricking teenagers, they remember Jet getting defensive and angry about having his arm being offered to be regrown, they remember Ed's innocence and playfulness, they remember Faye seeing herself in the video tapes, people remember Spike walking away when Julia didn't come.
There's so many little moments that the netflix bebop completely ignored, replaced by dumb jokes and characters acting goofy or anime-like.
woke morons were in charge of the casting
They cast a white girl as Ed, who isn't white.
yeah it was mismatched all around
>isn't white
>believes the only two races are "whites" and "Blacks"
She's meant to be French-Turkish
>posting tranime on a basket weaving board
Look at him. Look at him and laugh!
>crying about anime on a yugoslavian yak painting website
You watch RLR buddy
It’s an anime imageboard.
>"YOU ARE JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, SPIKE SPIEGEL!!!!"
kino
People are moronic. How can you adapt this for live-action?
Cowboy Bebop is one of the few animes which the English debate is superior.
nice autocorrect phonegay
>English debate
>First time i watched cowboy bebop was in english so english is best xd
Thats what i read
English dub will never be good because the female voice actresses are complete dogshit
Another anime i was told had great english dubbing was space dandy, the males are great but as soon as a femoid starts talking it ruins everything
>subgay rambling
Jap women sound like children, and Jap men sound like women.
you are shit, absolute shit
No one with any talent would touch an adaptation of this with a 20-foot pole. Let it be a cartoon and make something worthwhile instead.
English anime dubs always sound shit and unnatural as frick, far more grating than even the awful Japanese language.
Bebop is no exception.
Spike and Jet sound manlier in Jap.
Faye sounds manlier in English.
your opinions are total dogshit
gtfo
I gave you facts, homosexual.
you showed your personal lack of taste
>women with breathy voices are manly
this is why you can never take subgays seriously; they have full on brainrot from hearing high pitched voices for so long. they don't know what normal people sound like.
You're watching anime, dumb Black person.
High-pitched Japanese b***hes is one of the reasons I don't watch anime anymore. Dubs are even worse.
Name the series that surpassed it.
Go on zoomy. Enlighten us.
Any solid live-action series is better.
Cop-out.
The other obvious one is Hellsing Ultimate. Are there others?
Cowboy Bebop isn't one.
jormungand has breddy gud dub
Because anime and video games cannot be adapted to live actors. They just don't work in the medium.
>Because anime and video games cannot be adapted to live actors. They just don't work in the mediu
Not true, the artists are just too fricked up and incapable to get the job done.
Anime/manga can very easily be adapted really well if you use some decent stuff as the source, but all anyone watches is shounen/isekai garbage aimed at moronic 9 year olds.
The Juden can't adapt anime.
they didnt even try, it was more about posting "look at me im working on a tv show" than actually trying to make something good
Western directors are narcissistic and hate adapting other authors' works, they never respect the source material. They only use the source material as a "paint job" to tell their own original stories that are somewhat similar.
The same thing applies to Dune (2021), I don't know what the frick this pretentious capeshit is, but it isn't a proper adaptation.
If you critique them for missing the entire point of the original work the shill army argues that "CHANGES MUST BE MADE FOR MEDIUM", which is utter bullshit, maybe some changes but in most cases all changes serve only one purpose, the director's ego.
they didn't cast jiyoon
Ed is a child
They did a piss poor job first of all, but it was a losing battle from the beginning. The cartoon is already very good. Taking something that's already very good and then "redoing" is usually a bad idea. They should find things that kind of suck or are dated but have somewhat interesting storylines in general and adapt those stories in a better way, like they are doing with The Boys. Maybe it's time to adapt 1950's optimistic/weird space pulp stories or film noir. Or take something kind of stale and dated like The Never ending Story and remake it in a much better way. Or even flash gordon. Instead they take already successful great concepts and try to just redo them in another medium. It's kind of stupid. The fans of the original will just look at it and be like "yeah that doesn't look right" and they will know all the plot points so it won't unfold in an interesting way and to people who aren't fans it will just look weird and cheap.
>The cartoon is already very good.
Its not. Its the weeb version of "My favorite movie is Casablanca" it was good for its time but much more engaging stuff has been made since then and surpassed it.
These, but I also have a few thoughts
I only watched the first opening scene, but it was horrible.
First of all, despite Jet the casting was shit. Everyone needed to be younger. They didn't need to make Faye have purple hair, they should have just let it be black.
They need to act like real people not anime characters. Just make Ed hyper and autistic, not an anime goofball because that will never work.
They used the structure of the opening of the movie, but changed the dialogue and changed it to a space casino which made no sense.
If you're going to copy the scene, why not copy it exactly? Or if you're going to change it, why not give the audience something actually new?
It turns into a clusterfrick, the scene makes no sense. It's fricking impossible to rob a casino on Earth, how the frick would someone do that in space? A random shit convenient store makes sense. They're having a gun battle in the open and the heros are all unscathed, tons of storm trooper shooting aim which also ruins it. The movie opening is far more realistic, which is pretty sad. One of the things that makes Bebop unique is it's far more grounded and realistic than many anime, so for a live action adaption it should be taken in that direction.
What they needed to do was either be faithful to the story, or do completely different casting/adventures, like The Boys has done. They went too far down the middle and it's unfortunately garbage.
>unable to adapt it
they were able, htey adapt it like shit, but they actually adapted, learn how to write, you fricking idiot
Ed is too 'anime' for live action.
Anime is too goofy to adapt without fundamentally altering the source material. Which pisses off fans.
Even a good dub can sometimes piss people off because suddenly they're hearing the goofy dialogue in their native tongue.
So the only way to do it is to find some manga nobody knows about and adapt that.
Because they fundamentally didn't understand Cowboy Bebop.
They thought it was
>wow cool spaceship
>wow cool jazz music
>wow cool action kung-fu scenes
In reality, Cowboy Bebop is a cyberpunk anime disguised as a space opera and noire. The noire elements are why the series leans towards jazz music and the genre lends itself to telling crime stories really well, which is why the genre was chosen.
The crime stories were chosen because it highlighted what a terrible society that the future had become, even with an international solar system inhabited, mankind never took care of the basic needs of humanity that gave rise to crime and poverty, in fact now its gotten so big that the solar system needs bounty hunters just to get by.
The characters are bystanders in this world, and watching the cast catch criminals brings a bit of comfort and familiarity.
All of this is wrapped up in a well animated series which lended itself to a realist aesthetic that blended nicely with the crime and sci-fi noire setting.
What the Netflix crew should have done is try and use the live action film to their advantage. Make the show more realistic, lean more heavily on the crime aspect, the noire aspect. Instead the netflix crew just tried to literally make a pastiche of the animated visuals, pleasing no one.
>the netflix crew just tried to literally make a pastiche of the animated visuals, pleasing no one.
I'd believe it if the casting wasn't horrible. "WELCOME TO THE OUCH!" indeed.
You can't just imitate art and expect it to resonate with the same audience, Cowboy Bebop was such a perfect compilation of the animation technology of its time, a good script, free reign for creatives obsessed with western media and a kino soundtrack.
Nothing could come close to replicating the feel.
Frick Netflix.
>show is heavily inspired by America culture
>Americans are in charge to adapt
>They try to do something too Japanese
There shouldn't be a more testimony of incompetence than having your CV associated with this show.
Thr only man who actually TRIED was, unfortunately, Cho
For the show in general it's because they were incompetent hacks who had no love or interest even in the source material beyond using the name to sell their own shitty original ideas and takes.
for Ed in particular it's because that kind of goofy anime autism can't work in reality you need to rework the way that character acts entirely to work in live action.
Because they thought they could outdo it.
They did adapt it, you chuds just didn't like it.
Woke netflix idiot showrunners+ fridgebody Faye and a fundamental misunderstanding of the source material. Spike and Jet had ok casting.
Because they had no love for the source material. It was just a product for them.
>anime live action
Theres your answer. The medium is the message, and cowboy bebop came from pure passion and a product of love, a testament of what anime can be at its best.
Test
Should have gotten rid of this cringe character from the get, period
They did adapt it, just not successfully.
Because anime is shit for people who never interact with other humans
Part of it was also the lack of understanding of the heart of cowboy bebop, was that fundamentally, every character is running from their past and themselves. They, like most adults, see and experience a lot of shit, but still wake up and eat breakfast in the morning, just as Jet and Spike make bell peppers with no beef even though they witnessed a tragic end for someone in a rough spot. Is the show fun? Yes. Is the jazz great? Absolutely. But people remember Cowboy Bebop not because of the twists and turns in Spike facing his past and fighting over Julia like they're fricking teenagers, they remember Jet getting defensive and angry about having his arm being offered to be regrown, they remember Ed's innocence and playfulness, they remember Faye seeing herself in the video tapes, people remember Spike walking away when Julia didn't come.
There's so many little moments that the netflix bebop completely ignored, replaced by dumb jokes and characters acting goofy or anime-like.
>taylor make a show for animation and fans love the style of the anime
>wonder why it does not work in live action
geeeeeee
dishonest glib facsimile ergo concordantly vis a vis
Imagine someone paid you to adapt a shitty romcom book into a movie because it was really popular.
You've never read it, and frankly have a deep disdain for the genre as a whole.
It's kinda like that
Cowboy Bebop is Watanabe's second worst series, the only one that's worse is Terror in Resonance.
At least she was cute