I feel like venting. I am so tired of this guy. DC has been pushing him so damn much is recent years. Not just in the comics, but in the movies two. He's everywhere. Half of there catalogue is Bat books for pete sake. As someone who isn't the biggest fan of his (but still likes him okay) this is beyond torture.
And yes I know he sells. I get it. But does that mean its okay to oversaturate his ass? Is that okay to overshadow other characters? I don't think so.
I can't be the only one who's annoyed by this.
In the normie pecking order, it goes like this:
Superman is lame because he's perfect and all-powerful. Batman is cooler because he's gritty and humanized.
But Batman is also lame because he doesn't kill and whines a lot. Joker is cooler because he's funny and does whatever he wants.
But Joker is also lame because he's a privileged white male and incels like him. Harley Quinn is cooler because she's funny, does whatever she wants and is empowering for women.
Harley Quinn is pretty much the most relatable comic character for normies. I don't think they consider her lame compared to anyone.
>Harley Quinn is pretty much the most relatable comic character for normies. I don't think they consider her lame compared to anyone.
This might be the most jarringly out of touch statement I think I've ever seen.
You literally just said normies find two characters who've made a billion dollars with their movies, one of whom was a 50 million dollar wannabe arthouse film, and said normies instead find relateable the character who's been in back to back box office bombs whenever she gets away from Joker.
Dark Knight Rises proved Batman can make a billion without Joker, Joker 2019 proved Joker can make a billion without Batman, BOP and Suicide Squad proved that Harley can't be a hit with the wider public without Joker.
Batman and Joker are popular to an extent. But Harley is way more popular/relatable to young women as a role model than Batman/Joker are as role models to men. Role model, as in someone whose behavior you find genuinely impressive and admirable and want to be like them. Joker is a role model for many teenagers, but they grow out of it eventually. Batman is a role model for some comci book readers and diehard fans, but that's a niche.
>But Harley is way more popular/relatable to young women as a role model than Batman/Joker are as role models to men.
Oh okay you're just fricking crazy then, like legit out of touch with regular people on a worrying level.
Alright
You're posting on Cinemaphile, the average user is extremely out of touch with society
You're more likely to find women who want to dress and act like Harley Quinn than you're to find men who want to dress and act like Batman or Joker. The former behavior is pushed as acceptable and virtuous, the latter behavior is pushed as dangerous and freakish.
female hands typed this
I never sait I thought it was a good thing you moron.
>harley quinn
>role model
The frick are you smoking dude?
Why do you think literal thousands of women cosplay as her?
>inb4 attention whoring
Sure, but they could choose a myriad of other loose characters to do that with. Something about Harley attracts modern young women in particular.
Batman is the most versatile superhero in existence. If he starts getting so stale that it actually affects sales, you do have options. His 60+ years of history give him so much precedence for such a wide variety of themes, concepts and character traits that you can go almost anywhere with him. If people really start getting sick of the broody """"grounded"""" loner schtick, he does have other options.
>Most versatile superhero in existence
Spiderman gives him a run for his money in this category.
How many comics do Spider-man have? Last time i recall the only two that sell pass cancelation numbers is TASM and Miles.
True
No, he doesn't. Spider-Man started in the Silver Age, but Batman started in the Golden Age, and that on its own gives Batman a massive advantage. Batman's been in just about every kind of story you can imagine: gritty crime noir, ridiculous sci-fi, silly comedies, supernatural. You can make him relatively grounded with grounded abilities and semi-realistic tools, you can make him an impossible ninja who can leap ten feet in the air, you can have him build Iron Man-type suits and fight aliens. Batman is so obscenely versatile that you can have him get beat up by a pair of mooks in one story yet defeat gods in another. It's all happened at one point or another in his decades upon decades of existence. No matter what kind of story you try to write with him, it almost certainly has some sort of precedence.
Not really. Marvel insists on keeping pete a certain way post omd which severely limits the character.
Not at all, he's very one-note.
Dumb, superficial, puddle-deep attempt at rationalization. Daredevil has both dark and silly stories too. Why isn't he more popular?
Because Daredevil isn’t as versatile as Batman.
No cool gadgets. No cool cape. Weak vilains.
because for the last 50 years DD was telling the exact same story
>kingpin learns about my secret identity
>I must die and get reborn
This is blatantly wrong. How many Daredevil comics have you actually read?
>reading daredevil
>ever
frick off
also add no character growth over decades, elektra and bullseye being overdone, telling the same story beat, and you are correct
Name five (5) arcs that did this that aren't Born Again.
>Why isn't he more popular?
Cause he doesn't have the same brand recognition
Characters like Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, or Captain America were all created in the 30s/40s and got popular because it was a time when people needed a source of optimism. After World War 2 when superheros got less popular due to the world generally becoming a lot better, the suits still took advantage of these characters and put them in things like radio shows, movies, animation, etc and that in turn gave them brand recognition, which is THE most important thing for characters like this. Superheros that came after, although many became popular, couldn't quite get that same brand recognition because they were "too late."
Now as for why Batman SPECIFICALLY is so much more popular than DC's other superheroes right now, it's simply because Burton movies did really well and that inspired them to make more Batman stuff in the 90s to piggyback off of that (Kinda like what happened with the 1978 Superman movie). They tried replicating that success with a number of other superhero movies and they didn't do as well critically or financially, and the suits just saw the bat rake in more money so they kept making shit for him, which then in turn made him even MORE popular
tl;dr Batman is more popular than Superman because the Dark Knight is a good movie while Man of Steel isn't
Of course I don't want to downplay the work the actual comic writers went into making their characters popular. But for the average joe, a character's portrayal in a movie is more likely than not going to be the thing that influences their perception of that character.
I mean, it’s happened before. The yellow oval on his uniform was part of an initiative called the “new look,” when Julius Schwartz bought control of the Batman from Bob Kane. The entire new look was started because Batman was being outsold by Superman’s girlfriend Lois Lane
>Batman is the most versatile superhero in existence
It's not extactly true imo, but that's the best part; even if you could write a ton of different shit with Batman plastered all over, ALL the comics these people keep publishing (which as OP stated make up for half the damn solicit every time) are the exact same.
Batman is only "versatile" because they marketed him that way. You can do what they did to Batman with pretty much every character and it'll work the same way.
No blue beetle and booster gold animated movie or short, but God damn it we need another Batman movie.
It always comes down to secondary media with you homosexuals.
Still haven't got to see the blue and grey suit, the giant computer, the giant penny and dinosaur, a sci fi villain like mr freeze or clayface, dick grayson robin
We did get Mr. Freeze and while he was goofy with the ice puns and polar bear slippers, he was overall very faithful to the BTAS template nearly all versions of the character have followed since Heart of Ice.
The blue and grey is my favorite.
The most recent Batman movie didn't even break a billion at the box office. Aquaman beat The Batman's box office total by over $370 million.
>The most recent Batman movie didn't even break a billion at the box office.
Before that, Joker broke a billion
Before that, Batman V Superman didn’t break a billion
Before that, The Dark Knight Rises broke a billion
He’ll be fine. Next time.
Those are all Chinese numbers, tho, they don't count. Domestically, The Batman has a slight edge.
Has anyone noticed that less than 0.5% of Chinese people watched these movies?
The way that dc comics would literally die if Batman stopped selling
They straight up don’t know how to sell anything but Batman and events now and they aren’t about to try and find out how
Survival motivates change and inovation.
Worse case, discovery closes dc in house and licenses it out.
I say bring it on.
Anon the change and innovation after AT&T and covid was dc mass cancelling all their non Batman books and starting to announce 1 book with no Batman for every 10 books with Batman
They reached the point of no return a couple months ago when they tried convincing people the round robin finale wasn’t rigged only to eventually remove votes from the one with Batman in it because somebody was indeed rigging the vote, and then announced 8 Batman oneshots literally not even 24 hours after they announced that Superboy won
>use Batman to get Suicide Squad Dark into the last round
>have to actually mention other characters and whip out Raven and Zatanna kissing once they realized all the non-Batman fans have banned together against SSD in the last poll
DC and their creators even KNOW fans are sick of Batman but they won't actually do anything about it and bother trying to push other characters. As a company they are unbelievably pathetic at this point and deserve to go under.
Obviously, it's time to see what happens when the Batman sales crash and they need to find new footing.
Bring it on.
Realistically is there anything that can happen to kill the Batman?
No, literally everything in the world is in his utility belt. Even shark repellent.
>Realistically is there anything that can happen to kill the Batman?
Kings run post wedding fake out was doing a good job of it but they kicked him off the book early and Tynion somehow managed to get the book to recover somehow. I think it's possible, but it'll be a slow process tat gives them time to turn things around rather an abrupt thing.
See what happen to Superman and emulate it.
If Batman fricking Batgirl in the animated version of TKJ didn't ruin him in the eyes of normalgays I dunno what will.
Normies didn't watch TKJ, silly.
Bat fans didn’t watch it either.
Batgays don't like that because they like Dickbabs instead
Normalgays don't give a frick about Dickbabs (if they are even aware that is a thing) and ship him with Starfire instead due to all the Titans shit. The Nightwing annual 2 page of Kory cucking Babs exited comicbook twitter a couple days ago (twice!) and literally everybody was dunking on Babs and saying how sexy Kory looked
https://twitter.com/korysupremacy/status/1546845226047873025
https://twitter.com/musicIistener/status/1547084962242904064
>one of the replies is that ONE fricking ntr meme panel
You win this round, normalgays
Superman could drop a moon on Wayne Manor and pick off any survivors with heat beams.
Wonder Woman could force Batman to reveal his secret identity.
Flash could kill Batman in an attosecond.
At least one Green Lantern could snipe Batman across galaxies.
Need I go on?
Batman knows damn well that his reputation is what keeps him alive, a reputation that depends on people seeing him as an unkillable force of darkness, and not a man in a onesie with a bunch of expensive toys. Fear isn't his weapon, it's his shield.
>it's his shield.
Because a shield isn't a weapon? Your shit argument aside, do you really believe that those heroes that you've cited are scared of Bruce? Don't be silly.
They don''t kill him because they respect him and because of their moral code.
>Your shit argument aside, do you really believe that those heroes that you've cited are scared of Bruce?
No, I don't believe that. The Justice League knows who Batman is. They know that it's just a man under that cowl. A clever, wealthy, athletic, resourceful man, but still just a man. A man with limits. Most people don't know that. Criminals fear Batman because of his reputation, but it's a house of cards. Look at Arkham Knight: as soon as Batman is unmasked, he knows it's basically over for him. That his mythical reputation is gone, like the Scooby Doo monster who's just been revealed to actually be Old Man Jenkins in a rubber costume, or the Wizard of Oz being revealed to be the old guy behind the curtain, or the magician whose tricks have just been explained in detail. The magic is gone.
So no, the Justice League isn't scared of Batman. Why would they be scared? If he ever goes bad, they can just have Aquaman drag him down to the bottom of the Atlantic and hold him until he stops struggling.
That would only mean the end of his Bruce's persona and his financial resources, Bruce never cared about the former and the latter would only prove a inconvenience towards his Tech, which would mean Bruce would not be a wordly thread level, only street or city.
I made very clear that what stops the League from killing Batman is their respect for him and their own moral code, not fear, the fear only applies to the criminals.
But your argument only matters IF Batman goes rogue, which outside of Elsewords, isn't something that will ever be a definitive take on the character.
>wordly thread
world threat.
I need to sleep.
You're missing the original point that I was trying to make: that Batman is not impossible to kill, because, behind the tricks and gadgets and reputation, he's a mortal man. And he knows it. Hey, he's died before, hasn't he? Kind of a rite of passage for superheroes.
I'm not the same Anon,
but I guess that he has speaking about Bruce losing his fame in the real world.
Of course you’re not the only one, but nothing else sells. There used to be competition, remember when GL outsold Batman, but now there’s nothing. No other book at DC sells as well as Batman, not even JL. DC is relying on Batman to fund all their other books. I don’t know what it will take to reverse the decline, DC’s endless attempt to “sort out” it’s continuity has only resulted in scores of people leaving.
If Marvel fatigue can actually begin to start setting in, anything can happen.
Batman is like Spiderman, people will never get tired of them
Batman is evergreen, no fatigue will truly set in, if anything there's not enough Bat supply to meet demand. You need severe Bat killers like Batman & Robin, and even that only accomplished killing the movies for 8 years. You still had the toons, Justice League/Unlimited The Batman, etc.
>so the gritty loner type of character burning out? That may happen to Batman
Good thing WB/DC seems to have remembered the batfamily exists and have started pushing some of them as well, with the Gotham Knights game and Batgirl movie (and Nightwing movie should that ever get out of development hell)
There's been a major pushback against the "robin sucks, batman should work alone" sentiment, and if Reeves manages to make a Robin not suck total ass in one of his Batman movies then Batman is golden for a new phase in his popularity with normies
>Good thing WB/DC seems to have remembered the batfamily exists and have started pushing some of them as well
Oh yeah that's just swell, why would anyone want any street level hero not to be attached to the Bat
>Will angsty teens and man children ever go away?
I wish.
>I wish.
Feel free to elaborate any superhero with a better repertoire of great stories.
Batman hasn't had a good story since the new 52, but batnormies don't care.
What would the Joker do if he was all beaten up after an elaborate scheme is stopped by Batman. But instead of taking him straight to jail, Batman cucks him by fricking Harley infront of him.
She's just a snack, joker doesn't care.
He's still getting cucked like a little b***h. Their sex juices would get on his nice purple suit. Harley will be screaming for more bat wiener. All Joker can do is watch.
Joker'd be far angrier about Harley getting Bat's dick instead of him than anything else
>years
try decades
The character has existed for over 50 years, what the frick do you think?
DC hasn't been "pushing" him, they've been reacting to demand.
Didn't his movie just bomb? You're so focused on hating a character you've crossed over in mental illness territory. Take a chill pill.
No it didn’t
I have Joker fatigue, for sure.
have you seen all the different bat titles for sale at the FLCS?
Its confusing when doing the ordering because you've got so many variations with the words "bat", "batman", "legend", "dark", and "knight"
Batman is literally what keeps the company going. If he goes, half of all the sales go with him.
Trust me Supertrannies, you do not want Batman to stop paying rent.
The worst part for me is not how Batman has to appear everywhere, but how he and his goons basically absorb the rest of the DCU.
No, because he's the goddamn Batman. You shut your prostitute mouth.
rest of DC goings right now is so shit that everyone just reads Batman
Anon no one is reading comics, Batman included, because they're all shit. Everyone getting paid by Marvel and DC right now is utterly incompetent.
I’d like nobody to own the rights to a lot of these characters. I find a lot of fan art to be more engaging than official releases
Actually .is lackuster on the movies. We could have 4 more films .