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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    it better, or we won't get anymore black women directors for our kino

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dont worry, they'll blame us anyway

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. There's no major interest/selling point and capeshitters are an aging demographic

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      All film demographics are aging, zoomers don't watch movies

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        they'll watch movies that are bussin like Fnaf

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Facts

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong. FNAF made US$ 150 million in five days. Mario made money. Oppenheimer. Barbie. Sound of Freedom. Talk to Me.
        Capeshitters specifically (the mouthbreathing manchildren consooming demographic that Hollywood milked in the past decade and a half) is losing momentum and appeal.
        ALL 2023 capeshit releases have either outright flopped or underperformed-- even Guardians of the Galaxy 3 ended up below expectations.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >even Guardians of the Galaxy 3 ended up below expectations.

          It surpassed expectations.

          Quantumania was the one that underperformed, plus all of DC's stuff.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It surpassed expectations.
            Absolutely not. It failed to reach a billion by US$150 million and opened far behind GotG 2 and (appallingly) Thor Love and Thunder
            >That film could probably be deemed a box office failure. It’s certainly a disappointment for a studio and industry that constantly demands growth for each subsequent franchise installment in the 21st century. For these reasons, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 is unlikely to escape the label of “disappointment” to the Mouse House’s accountants when it appears unlikely to get near the same ballpark of Vol. 2’s $864 million total from over half a decade ago.

            • 7 months ago
              CreepyThinMan

              >Absolutely not. It failed to reach a billion by US$150 million and opened far behind GotG 2 and (appallingly) Thor Love and Thunder

              No one was expecting GOTG 3 to make a billion!!!FACT!!!

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                LET HIM COOK!!!!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. Seriously, only the most moronic guy still cares for Marvel. SPECIALLY since phase 2 started( it was bad since phase 1, but since they went full woke shit the franchise is dead )

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the mouthbreathing manchildren consooming demographic that Hollywood milked in the past decade and a half
          Which is totally unlike elevated classics like FNAF, Mario, Oppenheimer and.. Barbie. The lack of self awareness is off the charts bucko.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is because capeshitters are a type of cringe stereotype which boomers, genXers, average millennials and zoomers distance themselves from.
            Capeshitters used to have an overinvested reddlt neuroticism that the movie industry encouraged but that cycle has run its course. They're getting older and the hype around superheroes is increasingly deflated because the current core audience finds that type of viewer cringe and out of touch

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >because the current core audience finds that type of viewer cringe and out of touch
              The FNAF audience find someone cringe and out of touch? Damn, that must sting.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >that must sting.
                Well, you did react to it.
                Keep in mind that it's not just zoomers: most people never related to the rabid superhero fanbase. It's not normal for post-puberty individuals to take men in tights and capes as life and death subjects.
                Capeshit is made for literal/mental 12 yos and it unsurprisingly lost its shine as balding men with Black Panther t-shirts spending hundreds on plastic toys are not exactly role models

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                most people don't pay attention to the superfans, they just wanted to see pew pew and shield throw but got laquisha and wine aunt and they checked out.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >most people don't pay attention to the superfans
                Studios have marketed these universes as almost a type of servitude: too many references to other movies/series etc made capeshit a chore to casual viewers.
                >but got laquisha and wine aunt and they checked out.
                Agreed. Woke insertions were disastrous and directly linked to the downfall of superhero movies.

                "Good day" is a reaction too, don't get ahead of yourself.
                > It's not normal for post-puberty individuals to take men in tights and capes as life and death subjects
                Neither is it normal for them to take FNAF and Mario as life and death subjects.
                >Capeshit is made for literal/mental 12 yos
                Yes, and the majority of your examples are intended for younger people than that.
                That's what I'm saying, all of this applies to the movies you brought up, save maybe Oppenheimer, but Nolan's midwit cinema is another debate in itself.
                I just find the comparisons genuinely funny, thinking there's a difference with capeshit.
                If your favorite movie is "Barbie" you don't exactly come across as a role model either.

                >Neither is it normal for them to take FNAF and Mario as life and death subjects.
                They don't. There's a casual attitude towards these movies, which are, despite the lore, self-contained.
                >Yes, and the majority of your examples are intended for younger people than that.
                Deliberately so: FNAF and Mario presented themselves as all-ages entertained whereas capeshit was often absurdly marketed as "spy movies", "war movies" or some such nonsense. Their attempt to be "serious" is why they seem ridiculous.
                OTOH, FNAF is simple on the surface but layered with serious subjects.
                Trying too hard to be le serious or le funny/quippy were both factors that led to superhero fatigue
                >If your favorite movie is "Barbie" you don't exactly come across as a role model either.
                Haven't even bothered seeing it. Its success has to do with multiple factors (some of them marketing-related) but it shows an audience that wants a different aesthetic and worldbuiling. I assume that Barbie isn't more woke than Black Panther btw

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I just don't see the major difference between the two types of blockbusters you're comparing, nor do I view it as any kind of cinematic W, but if you've been tired of the cape genre I guess this might relieve some of that frustration.
                I have yet to see cinema actually become as good as it once was.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                See

                >Most of the examples you've given are blockbusters that fall into the same category as capeshit.
                Not at all. These are all very inexpensive movies compared to the budgets that studios announce for superhero movies. FNAF cost USD 20 mil, Insidious Red Door cost USD 16 mil, M3gan cost USD 12 mil and TtT cost only USD 4,5 mil; all of them have made 10x their budget or more (TtM made 20x its budget).
                Meanwhile, Quantumania was very unprofitable: USD 200 mil budget, USD 479 mil box office (USD 125 mil short of its break-even point).Blue Beetle cost USD 100 mil and made only USD 129 mil. Those 2 were blockbusters and both flopped.
                This is yet another reason why capeshit is fizziling out: their alleged costs are too high for what they actually deliver.

                Also take into account that these movies escape the constraints set by the capeshit and don't require the viewer to cling to them.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                "Good day" is a reaction too, don't get ahead of yourself.
                > It's not normal for post-puberty individuals to take men in tights and capes as life and death subjects
                Neither is it normal for them to take FNAF and Mario as life and death subjects.
                >Capeshit is made for literal/mental 12 yos
                Yes, and the majority of your examples are intended for younger people than that.
                That's what I'm saying, all of this applies to the movies you brought up, save maybe Oppenheimer, but Nolan's midwit cinema is another debate in itself.
                I just find the comparisons genuinely funny, thinking there's a difference with capeshit.
                If your favorite movie is "Barbie" you don't exactly come across as a role model either.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              It would've been halfway effective if the alternative was more mature cinema. You're not really "owning" capeshitters by watching Five Nights at Freddy and Mario, anon.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I have no interest in "owning" capeshitters: in fact, this type of silly drama seems cringe and unbecoming.
                As for "mature" cinema, capeshit desexualized plots were absurdly out of touch with the realities of growing up, so even a movie such as Barbie (which I did not see) seem more adult by comparison.
                As for other box office hits this year, FNAF, Talk to Me, Insidious Red Door and ofc Oppenheimer are all much more mature than, say, Blue Beetle.
                Even minor hits such as No Hard Feelings show that there's an audience for mature movies and the blockbuster anxiety to make 1 billion movies is far from the only option for studios.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Most of the examples you've given are blockbusters that fall into the same category as capeshit. That isn't to say good recent blockbusters like, say, Maverick don't exist. But it's not high brow cinema.
                And FNAF and Barbie sure as shit aren't. What you're seeing now is one genre slop making way for another kind of genre slop, that's it.
                At least capeshit's source material is more mature than something like the Sonic movie even if they don't really depict it in film form. So I very much doubt your thesis that the "cringe manchild" stereotype has changed. The focus just shifted.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Most of the examples you've given are blockbusters that fall into the same category as capeshit.
                Not at all. These are all very inexpensive movies compared to the budgets that studios announce for superhero movies. FNAF cost USD 20 mil, Insidious Red Door cost USD 16 mil, M3gan cost USD 12 mil and TtT cost only USD 4,5 mil; all of them have made 10x their budget or more (TtM made 20x its budget).
                Meanwhile, Quantumania was very unprofitable: USD 200 mil budget, USD 479 mil box office (USD 125 mil short of its break-even point).Blue Beetle cost USD 100 mil and made only USD 129 mil. Those 2 were blockbusters and both flopped.
                This is yet another reason why capeshit is fizziling out: their alleged costs are too high for what they actually deliver.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Mario and Barbie were expensive.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, but unlike capeshit they delivered. That's the point: it's either realistically-budgeted movies or non-capeshit blockbusters which have succeeded this year.

                Anon, one of the most profitable movies of all time is capeshit.
                The audiences didn't distance themselves from the audience. They distances themselves from the movies and are now flocking to different flavors of low brow cinema.

                >Anon, one of the most profitable movies of all time is capeshit.
                As were musicals in the not too distant past. We're talking about current trends, which clearly show that capeshit is less and less popular.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                They delivered in terms of box office, yes. Whether they delivered in terms of quality is debatable, although they probably did, as profitable movies need to have SOME common appeal.
                The reason for capeshits' success in the first place is that they were blockbusters a step or two above the blockbusters at the time. Now the formula has ran its course and is being replaced by other formulas, in this case films based on video games and toys.
                Live action anime is another gimmick that is bound to flood Hollywood soon as well.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                >unbecoming
                Stop reading right there.
                You, sir, are King homosexual of the homosexual Parade

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                It means "not appropriate". Next time just look the word up

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                I am calling you a homosexual for using a homosexual word, not because I don't know what it means, you dumbass.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Well you do sound quite flustered/triggered. Are you a woman or a transsexual? Simmer down

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                No. I can just tell by the way you type that you are annoying homosexual in real life. So, I am taking the opportunity to point that out to you for the sake of the poor souls that are in your vicinity at all times. b***h.

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you openly gay or are you still in the closet? Do you usually get that nervous when you can't think of a counterargument?

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous
              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous

                Reminder: I have nothing against the fact that you suck dicks or whatever. You just have to present arguments instead of getting triggered by words such as "unbecoming"

              • 7 months ago
                Anonymous
            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, one of the most profitable movies of all time is capeshit.
              The audiences didn't distance themselves from the audience. They distances themselves from the movies and are now flocking to different flavors of low brow cinema.

            • 7 months ago
              CreepyThinMan

              >It is because capeshitters are a type of cringe stereotype which boomers, genXers, average millennials and zoomers distance themselves from.
              >Capeshitters used to have an overinvested reddlt neuroticism that the movie industry encouraged but that cycle has run its course. They're getting older and the hype around superheroes is increasingly deflated because the current core audience finds that type of viewer cringe and out of touch

              here we have an example of someone who doesn't like something and feels alone, so he must convince others that they should hate the thing he doesn't like so that he no longer feels alone in his beliefs!!!FACT!!!

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't even think zoomers care about FNAF. It's mostly millenial man children like game theory guy and markiplier that enjoy it.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Millenial youtubers popularize it, but zoomers are the main consumers of it. It's the same with Minecraft and everything else.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            81% of the opening weekend audience for FNAF was between 13 and 24

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Skibidi Toilet and The Amazing Digital Circus are cultural touchstones for Zoomers and Gen A.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zoomers love Spider-Man

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Funny, since most don't even know the real Spider-Man

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            His movies are some of the most successful things in the MCU, wdym?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but he's nuSpider-Man.
              #notmyspiderman

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nonwhite zoomers like the Spiderverse but after the Gwen is trans thing even that specific franchise is likely to become less and less profitable

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Can you explain why No Way Home and Venom did so well?

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              It connected to teens eager to go back to the theater for some mindless fun after the lockdown. 2021 was ages ago though, the market landscape has since changed a lot

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              no way home farmed nostalgia and venom is just a cool character

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Disney Spent Over $270 Million To Make 'The Marvels', the general calculation sees studios receiving half of a film's box office taking, meaning that The Marvels will break even at $439.6 million.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      The general rule is 2.5x. It would need 500 million to break even.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're right, but your math is wrong. It needs to make $675 million just to break even.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your math is wrong, it would need 2.2 billion to break even

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          I doubt that's the case, but if it is, none of these blockbuster movies are actually all that profitable. In fact, it seems like pissing money away to make one.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Your math is wrong, it would need 2.2 billion to break even

          The fact that MCU and Disney animated movies are struggling to fricking break even (which is ofc a type of loss since movies are investments) goes to show how they are ceasing to be relevant for an increasing number of viewers worldwide

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Disney animated movies are generally a lot less profitable than the MCU. But the MCU has slowly been turning into an animated Disney movie franchise, if that makes sense.
            They're not the same thing they used to be under, say, Paramount.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              They're getting smaller and smaller and their niche, often nitpicky audience have a negative effect in how these movies are perceived by the casual audience, which is simply choosing other movies to watch

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The general rule is 2.5x
        it is?

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes.
          The studio doesn't see a lot of the money back.
          Theaters take about 50% of everything I believe and in China it's like 70% for example.
          ~~*Hollywood accounting*~~ is notoriously shady as frick as well.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            Half is still somewhat acceptable for making a profit. I doubt it's 2.5 though. Hollywood simply wouldn't be spending so much money on budgets if that was the case.

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Hollywood simply wouldn't be spending so much money on budgets if that was the case.
              See

              >Most of the examples you've given are blockbusters that fall into the same category as capeshit.
              Not at all. These are all very inexpensive movies compared to the budgets that studios announce for superhero movies. FNAF cost USD 20 mil, Insidious Red Door cost USD 16 mil, M3gan cost USD 12 mil and TtT cost only USD 4,5 mil; all of them have made 10x their budget or more (TtM made 20x its budget).
              Meanwhile, Quantumania was very unprofitable: USD 200 mil budget, USD 479 mil box office (USD 125 mil short of its break-even point).Blue Beetle cost USD 100 mil and made only USD 129 mil. Those 2 were blockbusters and both flopped.
              This is yet another reason why capeshit is fizziling out: their alleged costs are too high for what they actually deliver.

              . Superhero flicks, and Disney movies in general, seems to just have very bloated budget. Flash's production cost is 300M+ somehow.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, poltards up it everytime the see a brown person on screen.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          ads aren't cheap

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      So like $100 million to film and design and $170 million to market?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, it cost $270 Million to shoot, they got a $50M tax credit from the UK, so the production budget was $220M. I don't know how much it cost to market but the breakeven point for a film like this is estimated to be 2.5 times the production budget so $550M.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >$439.6 million
      Where do you get this number from?
      The movie's budget was $270 million × 2.5= $675 million it needs to start turning a profit.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's 270 gross, but they shot in the UK and got 50 mil in tax rebates so 220 net

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          $220 × 2.5 = $550 million then, not $439.6 million.

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            probably gonna make like 350 mil max, so bomb either way

            • 7 months ago
              Anonymous

              Hopefully

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        >They show that over the two-year period from the incorporation of the company to September 30, 2022, it spent $274.8 million (£221.8 million) and banked a $55 million (£44.4 million) subsidy from the government of the United Kingdom where the movie was made
        >September 30, 2022
        >2022
        Oh no no no. Disney fricking wishes it was just 270M

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Does that include the advertising budget? That’s not usually included in the production budget and is typically half the cost of the production budget. So 270+135 = $405 mil overall cost. Then theaters take half so for the movie to break even it needs to make $800~ million. It might make it back in blu ray/ on demand/ Disney plus subscriptions even if it’s tens of millions short but that’s just a guess

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry. Disney will buy their own tickets just like they did with Captain Marvel.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They don't have that kind of money anymore. They'll take the hit, blame Brie and dump her

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Disney is not making Infinity War/Endgame hype money anymore.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    They will break even and make like $4000 profit

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >even and make like $4000 profit
      Disney sisters, we’ve done it!

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Unless there's a hard core gay sex scene between Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel ala Blue is the warmest color then no

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Brie Larson is not a movie star and has no draw.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      She's a movie star in your head since she lives there rent free

      • 7 months ago
        CreepyThinMan

        >She's a movie star in your head since she lives there rent free

        While he lives in your head rent free as you thought about him and felt the need to defend Cheese Larva!!!FACT!!!

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I guess since the villain is a nobody and the plot sucks they're trying to market this as a team up movie. "Finally, all three Marvels in the same film!" The problem is that only one of them has even been in a movie, one was a side character in a streaming show from almost 4 years ago, and one was the lead in a much less popular series.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    It will make a billion because Cinemaphile is always wrong like Barbie

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >money printing
    >tax fiddling
    >subscription milking
    >will it make a profit
    they dont need too.

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    People underestimate Brie

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      People either underestimate or overestimate her. In reality she's just an autist, that's it.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        No she isn't.

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really care about the money corporations do do do not make...the real question is "will it suck" and all signs point to YES. It will suck because most marvel fans walked after endgame and the the Disney shows sucked.

    Except for moonknight, that was good.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Moonknight was generic as hell man

  13. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, it will lose hundreds of millions a la The Flash

  14. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think this movie will be the first official confirmed failure of the MCU. They have already had lackluster movies this year, but this one is going to be so obvious. How appropriate too.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >official confirmed failure of the MCU
      Wasn't that Quantumania?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Confirmed even by the shills I mean. They can't admit that with Quantumania because of MUH KANG. But so far this one is projected to do something like 75% worse than Quantumania too. Gonna be some good shit posting boys!

  15. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >This will sell our movie

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      She literally has a blockhead.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      She seems friendly, engaging and charismatic. Definitely someone I want to be the face of our new Marvel franchise and phase.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        this but unironically

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          Is that Heath Ledger?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Is this Marvel's biggest miscast? What made them think this miserable b***h face could be their main female superhero?

  16. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    peaked with endgame because most are familiar with iron man, spider man, Captain America, Hulk. They are gone and no one cares about the new heroes.

  17. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    marvel hasnt broken even in years. but this might be the first time they'll fail so bad they cant even cover it up with hollywood accounting

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      They already did fail. This is just continuing a trend. But DC's latest projects have also failed. The genre is simply dying.

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