lmao that is some homosexualry right there.
he should be frickin grateful that it isn't big enough to get caught in the tractor beams of youtube kids slop let alone have a following at all.
it just shows that you're in it for the money and nothing else, what a gay
>it just shows that you're in it for the money and nothing else
Animation is expensive, tbh. If he wants to keep making the show he needs financing. I think his concern about popularity and money stem from a desire to keep making the show, not to get rich. I don't think anyone aside from corpos get into animation for the money. It's definitely not the most obvious route to financial success.
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He didn't say anything particularly bad. He's just occasionally expressed frustration over how MW isn't doing so hot and at one point complained that social media followers weren't helping retweet stufff or otherwise interacting to give the show a boost in the algorithm. Probably not his best moment, but innocent enough. Some anons just need a reason to get their panties twisted.
Hi zeural, what about big brown fat square men turns you on?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what about big brown fat square men turns you on?
don't flatter yourself
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
tweet something right now to prove its really yoyu
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never said I was Zeurel, dipshit. You're the one throwing around accusations.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
holy shit he just liked and unliked an alt created april 2024 tweeting "hi co", what do we tell THE zeural?
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Anonymous
>overly defensive >speaks in fluent fully punctuated autism >we gottem boys
yknow Tbh i didnt really find it that bad when i watched, it okay
even though it did have some of the pacing and not deserving 30 minute issues said here
though honestly this stuff (
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) is cringe as hell, i kinda expected something worse and newer from the initial message? been there seen that with these 2 images already
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OH YEAH, its youtuber cameos were annoying as hell though
Considering how he responds to criticism and trolls, it's possible
I've been keeping up with Monkey Wrench 'cause the animation quality and subtitles are awesome, but I still can't help but laugh at Zeurel flailing about trying to get his somehow both niche and cliché cartoon to become the next big thing online. At this point, you might as well revamp the whole concept, but it's clear that Zeurel's committed to seeing his vision through to the end.
No idea why he expected millions of views consistently for this, his yt channel only has 500k (which he deleted the original uploads from) and his dedicated MW channel doesn't even have 100k yet.
Viv and Glitch had millions of subs before their big projects came out
I seriously think he fricked it by removing the original upload and moving channels. A lot of people probably don't even know it exists anymore that saw that now evaporated original. He killed all momentum by doing that.
He didn't say anything particularly bad. He's just occasionally expressed frustration over how MW isn't doing so hot and at one point complained that social media followers weren't helping retweet stufff or otherwise interacting to give the show a boost in the algorithm. Probably not his best moment, but innocent enough. Some anons just need a reason to get their panties twisted.
No. He has to make something else. People struggle enough to care about Harry Partridge's Starbarians, and Monkey Wrench is Starbarians but without the sense of humor, so it's just a full on chore for people to watch. It's audience is never going to expand beyond "people who watch it out of pity".
He's had lots of these moments, and long before Monkey Wrench. I've been following him since the late 00s, he's always acted like this. And he's always drawn these same two characters, and that's a part of the problem. The BEARD guy was the lamest OC I'd ever seen a decade ago, and he's still just as lame now.
>He's had lots of these moments, and long before Monkey Wrench.
sure, but the point is that being frustrated online is not the same as all the other things that people do online that could and should result in pissing people off. He didn't make any racist or homophobic remarks, he hasn't been overtly political, he isn't trying to whip up the cancel brigade. It's funny that being a little salty over his lack of success pisses people off more than creators who get pervy in messages with underaged girls because "WHAT crime DID HE COMMIT?!?!". Anons bend over backwards to defend John K and Justin Roiland, but apparently Zeurel making a tweet about how he wishes more people would support his show is a step too far.
This, like in this edit an anon made. Not saying it's necessary but it makes sense as a pun on their team name and it would fit in a world where most aliens are furries.
The real reason they aren't is that they are Zeurel's old middle 2000s OCs.
Zeurel's probably gotten variations of the same question since the pilot dropped, but he'll never fold because that would mean using an idea he didn't come up with himself.
>Complaining about the most unimaginative idea not being used >And aiming to weaponize social pressure from the lowest common denominator
Your impulses behind your "criticism" are naked
And to add, hiding behind the veil of criticism can be harmful. When I came out as transgender I had various people "criticize" my revelation as if they were helping me.
All it did was make me suicidal like these fricking industry plants
Zeurel has actively made me root against him with his behavior following Monkey Wrench's underperformance. Trying to garner pity views from the digital circus and blaming the audience for not getting the numbers you wanted is a very bad look. He strikes me as someone who has seldom been told "no" through his life
I watched this because one of my friends said he was watching it. Then I gave up have way through because it was boring, and I saw my friend on YouTube again, and it said he didn't even finish it either.
Joel would'be been cool as Shrike, he already speaks badly accented spanish words and Zeurel could've written a gag where Shrike bonks his head and starts speaking swedish instead
no because Zeruel is the type of animator who can't tell a story to save his life, it's a big problem with most artists these days in that they have all sorts of pitches or ideas for animated series or webcomics
BUT
>they don't read >they don't start off small with projects less taxing in scope >they want to be famous NOW
so they end up overworking themselves while not knowing how to tell a story, and in the end don't actually get much done
Gooseworx at least had a lot of notches under her belt when it came to short form animated storytelling. It's not unlike how most directors in Hollywood are told to start off with doing short films before they do feature length films.
>they don't read
As in they don't indulge in literature that would help them understand compelling storytelling?
Because that is a completely valid criticism.
nta but yeah that's how i interpreted it. i don't know if it's the case with zeurel but it's a serious problem that people who grew up with kids cartoons and then grew older watching only kids cartoons go on to make glorified kids cartoons, but with nothing interesting beyond the surface-level concept of "wacky characters go on zany adventures".
it's sad that people just assume that "it's no citizen kane" implies citizen kane is an untouchable boring masterpiece and not a genuinely fun movie, but people delude themselves into thinking reading or watching acclaimed media isn't important to get better at writing because "good" must mean "boring".
i'm that anon, and yes, you're completely correct, that is what I meant: reading literature is one of the two biggest deciding factors as to what separates the hacks from the talented writers (the other factor being whether or not a writer has anything interesting to say)
Harlan Ellison complained about people in the 90s entering Hollywood and not reading: it used to be expected for writers to have a background in literature before they began writing professionally
It sounds weird, but writing is like playing God >you can't make a universe with depth if you don't observe and study other worlds/people first
>It's not unlike how most directors in Hollywood are told to start off with doing short films before they do feature length films.
Or horror films since they're typically cheap to make.
its not bad, its just really really boring and forgettable, which is probably worse than being shit actually, you dont even get the courtesy of being remembered
>its just really really boring and forgettable
I tried to watch episode one several times and every time I'd sort of snap to and realize I totally wasn't paying attention at all. I've heard it's gotten better, but I really don't care enough about the characters to find out (and until they replace Shrike's voice actor, I don't think I could bare to force myself through it...he's just awful).
>internet dick suckers suck your dick and tell you what a good cartoon concept you have >make the cartoon and it sucks dick because you had nothing but dick suckers telling you what to do and how to do it >get mad at the dick suckers
Zeurel is a fantastic animator/storyboarder but a very poor storyteller. That's honestly always been the case, I say this as a fan since his Newgrounds days. He seriously needs to team up with a writer/director and realize his own ideas aren't particularly interesting.
>That's honestly always been the case
What other stories has he tried to write? I think MW is decent as a first attempt at serial-ish animated storytelling, but if it's not his first attempt then it's a bit more damning.
It's really well done, it's above the stuff produced on TV, almost on the level of a Japanese production and incredibly made by one guy. But he should cut some of the episodes in half
Make a female furry character one of the main characters of the Monkey Wrench crew. Then roll out merch of her.
Worked for Hazbin. If Pomni from Digmon Circus was a bunny clown monster girl, the show would be nuclear critical mass popularity .
>if Pomni from Digmon Circus was a bunny clown monster girl, the show would be nuclear critical mass popularity
It already is nuclear critical mass popularity.
>15 year old Max and spoopy A.I. murder-cube IC-0n take on the shadow government. Basically, imagine you're running a 110° fever after watching too much anime and this is hell
I like how honest Liam is about his schizophrenic eldritch kino shows lmao
Where and how the frick did he get 50k to blow on these episodes to begin with?
He didn't.
That's why he always gets so pissy when each episode underperforms. Zeurel's got some debts to pay.
Does this guy have like.. nobody around to advise him or something? What the frick?
That's why he always gets so pissy when each episode underperforms. Zeurel's got some debts to pay.
>Currently hard at work on the storyboard part of Ep 4. Currently almost at 18 mins. Looks like this one is gonna be another monster. Enjoy some stills below~ >In other news we've pretty much burnt through our initial savings with Eps 1, 2 and 3 and are currently coasting off Patreon support and our itty bitty merch store. >If we want to return to fully animated episodes we need to hit a total income goal of $10k a month. We're currently at a total of $6.2k and only have $3.8k to go. If we can hit that goal by June we should be set to have Ep 4 fully animated. If you like our nonsense and have a dollar to spare consider checking out our Patreon. >Thanks again and I'll catch you next time~
https://zeurel.newgrounds.com/news/post/1431599
>18 mins >Currently
This homosexual is just repeatedly shooting himself in the foot with these decisions
He could make this show purely off of his current patreon earnings if he'd just cut for time down to 7-10 mins
It's not like the long run time is needed
I felt bored a third of the way through each episode
I really don't understand why he has to make these into 30 minute episodes. Other indie stuff can accomplish at lot in less time but like other anons said he`s not playing into his strengths when it comes to making a story.
it's funny cuz i don't think Zeurel really thought about the fact that being called "a beard" means a person dating someone in order to conceal their true sexual identity. that's all I can think about when I see the character.
That character is literally from 2010 or earlier, and has had the BEARD shirt since his initial creation. I have to presume at the time that yes, it was intended to be funny and/or quirky. It's just moronic now, of course.
I think Zeurel has gotten enough feedback at this point it warrants taking a moment to sit back, reflect, and seriously consider whether the concept is worth continuing with. He gave it a shot and it's just not clicking with audiences. Maybe it's time to let it go and move on and try with a new idea instead of trying to make this work. I don't get artists who stubbornly cling to a single idea, don't they have dozens to pick from?
>episodes are too long >animation is probably nicer than is warranted, people would accept less >the designs are not attractive >no one wants to frick these characters or make fanart for them >writing isn't good enough to offset the art
I think the dude is just too wedded to this idea which I don't get because don't artists/writers have dozens of ideas they'd love to work on? The characters are honestly outdated.
Most of these are background characters, we are still stuck looking at hispanic Earthworm JarJar and Minecraft Jet most of the time.
This show could get very popular if the main characters were the cats instead.
Meh writing
Shit acting/direction
Concept that isn't that stellar to begin with
Decent art but not good enough and MC designs that just are not fun to watch
You could fix it by having really fricked up horrible things happen to them, things that put the fear of God in them that mean that nothing in the story will ever be the same again
Zquirrel won't do that because they are his babies and so for him it's like abusing his children
Of course he's physiologically capable of having children. It's not a matter of can he, it's a matter of will he. If a man hasn't had any children at age 37, he almost certainly won't ever have any.
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Anonymous
>If a man hasn't had any children at age 37, he almost certainly won't ever have any.
The kindergarten my wife works at has a child whose father is 70 years old..
I think one of the funniest things about monkey wrench is that not even people in the indie animation community seem to care.
I always see people retweeting posts and shouting out indie projects and I've seen only one that included money wrench. Even stuff that has awful animation/artwork gets more support.
I would have killed myself at this point if I was zeurel.
The indie animation community is constantly shouting out new projects, but it’s rare you’ll see them continue boosting one single show. Port by the Sea and Ramshackle both got some love by the community because they are pilot episodes and brand new, but people aren’t boosting the Lackadaisy shorts or new murder drones episodes. I think the idea is to give the new projects some visibility, but after that initial boost, they need to stand on their own legs and do their own marketing. After the initial leg up from more known productions, most of the retweeting comes from dedicated fans.
Zeurel is mad that people aren’t helping boost his show, but it seems like he’s just failed to capture the passion of his fan base. He’s been included in interviews with indie animators and there was a pop of activity boosting MW when Lackadaisy met their season 1 funding goal, but at a certain point he needs to be able to be self sufficient. If productions constantly retweeted his shit, their accounts would be more about him than their own stuff.
>Port by the Sea and Ramshackle both got some love by the community because they are pilot episodes and brand new, but people aren’t boosting the Lackadaisy shorts or new murder drones episodes
?????
>Lackadaisy
Still in production, it always had a relatively small community but got lots of hype around the fundraiser. >Murder Drones
This I don't understand, the latest episode in particular blew up faster than any episode previously and also has the most talk around since since any episode previously.
>Zeurel is mad that people aren’t helping boost his show, but it seems like he’s just failed to capture the passion of his fan base.
Zeurel fundementally doesn't understand the basics of capturing an audience. He doesn't even know who his show is for. Ultimately, nobody cares because he's fumbling around calling the shots himself and he keeps shooting himself in the foot over and over with really stupid decisions. Other indie series are successful because the showrunners understand their viewership and know how to drum up discussion about their work.
>lackadaisy
They’ve been steadily putting out shorts and vignettes leading up to the release of season 1
>murder drones
There is fan discussion but I thought we were talking about the indie animation community (as in the creators). You don’t see creators of other shows boosting new episodes like you do when a brand new show puts out a pilot.
>I thought we were talking about the indie animation community (as in the creators). You don’t see creators of other shows boosting new episodes like you do when a brand new show puts out a pilot.
An already popular show with a consistent viewerbase doesn't need shoutouts past the pilot episode because there's no need to draw attention to it when it already has the attention it needs. Once it reaches that point, the show is propegated by its own established community.
Zeurel completely fricked up the baby steps of Monkey Wrench. He's gone straight into trying to crank it out as a full show when he failed to establish an audience for it right at the beginning, and now he expects it to suddenly get popular and for internet personalities to namedrop and support it out of nowhere when it already has multiple episodes.
It's already past the point of anyone caring, it failed to hook anyone initially (mainly due to Zeurel's bad management) and now he's continuing it out of desperation.
> Once it reaches that point, the show is propegated by its own established community.
Can you think of an indie show that didn’t find footing after the pilot and continued to be boosted by the indie community?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Not a single one... outside of Breadwinners.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Breadwinners was mainstream
But point made. Indie shows don’t keep getting boosted by other indie creators beyond the initial release. People have tried to help Zeurel out. At this point getting the word out is not the problem. People know it exists, they just don’t care.
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Then he really needs to start smaller. He can't rely on Fulp's money for long.
He used to participate in many OC tournaments on deviantArt and uploaded lots of comics that were very enjoyable and conceived his sense of motion well, especially the Pokémon one. Those seem to have been lost when he nuked his account however..
>especially the Pokémon one
I remember that one, and in a thread her or in Cinemaphile, an anon shared a zip file with all the Zeruel comics from the pokemon tournament.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rpge48tyquu83p6/Imgur+Album+Pokemon+PCBC+by+Zeurel.zip/file
Mc too much of an butthole and his voice is annoying as shit. If he had the same voice and accent as the guy in Futurama using Little Andrew as a gun, he might be ok. High pitched hispanic accent, at a time when hispanics are actively invading us? Frick this guy.
>15 minute episodes >new plot a week >they actually look like monkeys >character driven, no overarching plot necessarily other than world building advancements
Have the main protags looks like aliens or actual hybrids of aliens. As everyone has pointed out Shrike and Bulldog hardly look alien and simply look like badly drawn Humans.
Runtime for each episode will range from 15-20 minutes max unless there's a final involved.
The two man team will be a four-man team right from the start. Have an Assassin like female character with a personality resembling Cad Bane but also with some Jesse McCree from Overwatch as well.
Also have an Engineer that is personality-wise a mix of Medic and Spy from TF2.
Change VA so that are more fitting with the characters.
Have plotlines that are a mix of a overarching plot and character driven stories.
Maybe if he starts posting some fricking shorts of the show for zoomies to find on their phones.
They're not gonna sit down and watch a 30 minute video
>have a perfectly good channel with 500k subs >DON'T use it to post your indie animation show and instead make a 2nd channel that still hasn't even made 100k subs yet
This is the single biggest and stupidest move he made. Literally just chop off 80% of your viewerbase.
>made a fat man unnattractive to (furry) baragays >made a two male team unbaitable for fujo ship >white male appropriating latinx curse words >it's cowboy beebop without soul
>made a fat man unnattractive to (furry) baragays >made a two male team unbaitable for fujo ship
When you put it like that, it's almost impressive how hard Zeurel failed to make his characters appealing in any way.
i'm that anon, and yes, you're completely correct, that is what I meant: reading literature is one of the two biggest deciding factors as to what separates the hacks from the talented writers (the other factor being whether or not a writer has anything interesting to say)
Harlan Ellison complained about people in the 90s entering Hollywood and not reading: it used to be expected for writers to have a background in literature before they began writing professionally
It sounds weird, but writing is like playing God >you can't make a universe with depth if you don't observe and study other worlds/people first
I agree but I don't think that fully explains why his show isn't popular, seeing as something like Helluva Boss is just as poorly written but still way more successful. Quality has only ever been loosely tied to success, especially short- and mid-term success. You don't have to be great to be popular, you can just be good-enough at giving people whatever they're hungry for—that's how Little Ceasars made it big.
Monkey Wrench is unpopular because it fails on both counts; its premise scratches no itch and its execution isn't good enough to get people hooked regardless.
i really like the show and i really like zeurel and his artstyle, always has
but i do see why it's not as popular as zeurel hoped, the main characters are what i blame personally. They really aren't that interesting and i honestly feel that they could use a third main character. Another thing is their designs, while i like them i can see how others wouldn't really vibe with them as much, they feel way more like a recurring antagonist duo that shows up to mess with the main cast only to get beaten time and time again
Does any one else think the old designs were far better?. I appreciate the effort in making the characters look three dimensional, but It makes them look ugly and unappealing to me.
No. You're the only one who thinks Shrike looked better back then. Zeurel is a genius character designer and is better off not asking for input from any of his fellow internet cartoonists. I'd argue Shrike and Beebs look 10x more iconic than the entire Digital Circus cast. That's just how flawless their designs are. Bravo, Zeurel!
After what Zeruel said, frick no. I hope it fails so hard, he goes back to making Joel aniamtions
What did he say?
he said he eats babies
okay bullshit aside what did he actually say? id love me a funny spergout lol
lmao that is some homosexualry right there.
he should be frickin grateful that it isn't big enough to get caught in the tractor beams of youtube kids slop let alone have a following at all.
it just shows that you're in it for the money and nothing else, what a gay
>it just shows that you're in it for the money and nothing else
Animation is expensive, tbh. If he wants to keep making the show he needs financing. I think his concern about popularity and money stem from a desire to keep making the show, not to get rich. I don't think anyone aside from corpos get into animation for the money. It's definitely not the most obvious route to financial success.
Hi zeural, what about big brown fat square men turns you on?
>what about big brown fat square men turns you on?
don't flatter yourself
tweet something right now to prove its really yoyu
I never said I was Zeurel, dipshit. You're the one throwing around accusations.
holy shit he just liked and unliked an alt created april 2024 tweeting "hi co", what do we tell THE zeural?
>overly defensive
>speaks in fluent fully punctuated autism
>we gottem boys
Jesus Christ
Is he gonna become a lolcow?
Considering how he responds to criticism and trolls, it's possible
yknow Tbh i didnt really find it that bad when i watched, it okay
even though it did have some of the pacing and not deserving 30 minute issues said here
though honestly this stuff (
) is cringe as hell, i kinda expected something worse and newer from the initial message? been there seen that with these 2 images already
OH YEAH, its youtuber cameos were annoying as hell though
I've been keeping up with Monkey Wrench 'cause the animation quality and subtitles are awesome, but I still can't help but laugh at Zeurel flailing about trying to get his somehow both niche and cliché cartoon to become the next big thing online. At this point, you might as well revamp the whole concept, but it's clear that Zeurel's committed to seeing his vision through to the end.
I get his frustration but holy shit, do not try and turn your passion project into a money making machine if it just isn't clicking with people.
This show always gave me Kyle Carrozza vibes and really cements it.
Surprised Kyle hasn't tried making an indie cartoon recently
I need a good laugh
Don't you worry, Anon. I'm sure an amazing concept like Ground Keith will get picked up any day now!
spot the difference
That's a cruel thing to say!
Millhouse isn't a meme is a meme.
Millhouse will never be a meme.
No idea why he expected millions of views consistently for this, his yt channel only has 500k (which he deleted the original uploads from) and his dedicated MW channel doesn't even have 100k yet.
Viv and Glitch had millions of subs before their big projects came out
I seriously think he fricked it by removing the original upload and moving channels. A lot of people probably don't even know it exists anymore that saw that now evaporated original. He killed all momentum by doing that.
what the frick lol. that's committing suicide.
>Viv and Glitch had millions of subs before their big projects came out
They're rigged they get backed by a big corp.
how many of those subs are real people, though?
Pathetic. Why the frick is he bashing the precious few fans he has?
>do what others want
>not offer something new to the table
He didn't say anything particularly bad. He's just occasionally expressed frustration over how MW isn't doing so hot and at one point complained that social media followers weren't helping retweet stufff or otherwise interacting to give the show a boost in the algorithm. Probably not his best moment, but innocent enough. Some anons just need a reason to get their panties twisted.
No. He has to make something else. People struggle enough to care about Harry Partridge's Starbarians, and Monkey Wrench is Starbarians but without the sense of humor, so it's just a full on chore for people to watch. It's audience is never going to expand beyond "people who watch it out of pity".
He's had lots of these moments, and long before Monkey Wrench. I've been following him since the late 00s, he's always acted like this. And he's always drawn these same two characters, and that's a part of the problem. The BEARD guy was the lamest OC I'd ever seen a decade ago, and he's still just as lame now.
>He's had lots of these moments, and long before Monkey Wrench.
sure, but the point is that being frustrated online is not the same as all the other things that people do online that could and should result in pissing people off. He didn't make any racist or homophobic remarks, he hasn't been overtly political, he isn't trying to whip up the cancel brigade. It's funny that being a little salty over his lack of success pisses people off more than creators who get pervy in messages with underaged girls because "WHAT crime DID HE COMMIT?!?!". Anons bend over backwards to defend John K and Justin Roiland, but apparently Zeurel making a tweet about how he wishes more people would support his show is a step too far.
People aren't consistent with their beliefs
Feels unironically over reals
Why aren't they Monkeys?
The left one kinda looks like a monkey if you squint.
They should be monkeys from an Earth that went through the events of Planet of the Apes in the past and managed to develop space travel.
Also, they keep a human as a pet.
Ngl I would watch that, in one pitch that already sounds funnier than what we got.
DKC In Space!
This, like in this edit an anon made. Not saying it's necessary but it makes sense as a pun on their team name and it would fit in a world where most aliens are furries.
The real reason they aren't is that they are Zeurel's old middle 2000s OCs.
It's funny how a small edit like this makes it look less like an EWJ rip off
I miss Shrike’s old design and voice
and why don't they use Wrenches?
Zeurel's probably gotten variations of the same question since the pilot dropped, but he'll never fold because that would mean using an idea he didn't come up with himself.
>Complaining about the most unimaginative idea not being used
>And aiming to weaponize social pressure from the lowest common denominator
Your impulses behind your "criticism" are naked
And to add, hiding behind the veil of criticism can be harmful. When I came out as transgender I had various people "criticize" my revelation as if they were helping me.
All it did was make me suicidal like these fricking industry plants
Zeurel has actively made me root against him with his behavior following Monkey Wrench's underperformance. Trying to garner pity views from the digital circus and blaming the audience for not getting the numbers you wanted is a very bad look. He strikes me as someone who has seldom been told "no" through his life
I watched this because one of my friends said he was watching it. Then I gave up have way through because it was boring, and I saw my friend on YouTube again, and it said he didn't even finish it either.
People would rather watch her show.
Monkey Wench
I would not have watched her show you desperate coomer
YES
I'd watch the show if they were actual monkeys.
And if the show wasn't boring as frick.
Now put lipstick on her
>Monkey Wrench
>Protagonists aren't monkeys
Should've been a no-brainer.
Monkey Wrench is a straight up bad name for the show, in my opinion.
>in my opinion.
no. it's a fact jack
Nope
He should replace Shrike's VA with Vinesauce Joel and reupload it a third time lol
Joel would'be been cool as Shrike, he already speaks badly accented spanish words and Zeurel could've written a gag where Shrike bonks his head and starts speaking swedish instead
EL DUENDE
The creator's a douche
no because Zeruel is the type of animator who can't tell a story to save his life, it's a big problem with most artists these days in that they have all sorts of pitches or ideas for animated series or webcomics
BUT
>they don't read
>they don't start off small with projects less taxing in scope
>they want to be famous NOW
so they end up overworking themselves while not knowing how to tell a story, and in the end don't actually get much done
Gooseworx at least had a lot of notches under her belt when it came to short form animated storytelling. It's not unlike how most directors in Hollywood are told to start off with doing short films before they do feature length films.
>her
Yes
A troony is a troony, no matter what. TADC isn’t that good. Dilate
I second this, Circusgays are mostly troons.
>t. also a troon
>t.also a troon
Why?
Honk
>TADC isn’t that good
better than Murder Drones lmao
That would be funny if it were true at all, and TADC is just a pilot right now.
>tribegayging
silly anon, when Cinemaphile likes a trans creator (due to being based), then Cinemaphile doesn't misgender them
pronouns are earned, lol
>they don't read
As in they don't indulge in literature that would help them understand compelling storytelling?
Because that is a completely valid criticism.
nta but yeah that's how i interpreted it. i don't know if it's the case with zeurel but it's a serious problem that people who grew up with kids cartoons and then grew older watching only kids cartoons go on to make glorified kids cartoons, but with nothing interesting beyond the surface-level concept of "wacky characters go on zany adventures".
it's sad that people just assume that "it's no citizen kane" implies citizen kane is an untouchable boring masterpiece and not a genuinely fun movie, but people delude themselves into thinking reading or watching acclaimed media isn't important to get better at writing because "good" must mean "boring".
i'm that anon, and yes, you're completely correct, that is what I meant: reading literature is one of the two biggest deciding factors as to what separates the hacks from the talented writers (the other factor being whether or not a writer has anything interesting to say)
Harlan Ellison complained about people in the 90s entering Hollywood and not reading: it used to be expected for writers to have a background in literature before they began writing professionally
It sounds weird, but writing is like playing God
>you can't make a universe with depth if you don't observe and study other worlds/people first
>It's not unlike how most directors in Hollywood are told to start off with doing short films before they do feature length films.
Or horror films since they're typically cheap to make.
>gooseworx
>her
yeah 🙂
The guy really needs to lower the scope
Just cutting the runtime to 10 mins instead of 30 would save thousands
its not bad, its just really really boring and forgettable, which is probably worse than being shit actually, you dont even get the courtesy of being remembered
The eight deadly words of storytelling
>"I don't care what happens to these people"
>its just really really boring and forgettable
I tried to watch episode one several times and every time I'd sort of snap to and realize I totally wasn't paying attention at all. I've heard it's gotten better, but I really don't care enough about the characters to find out (and until they replace Shrike's voice actor, I don't think I could bare to force myself through it...he's just awful).
Must be brutal for people to not even meme your characters like in murder drones or TADC, it’s all drama
>internet dick suckers suck your dick and tell you what a good cartoon concept you have
>make the cartoon and it sucks dick because you had nothing but dick suckers telling you what to do and how to do it
>get mad at the dick suckers
lmao
All those dicks and sucking and nothing to show for it.
Zeurel is a fantastic animator/storyboarder but a very poor storyteller. That's honestly always been the case, I say this as a fan since his Newgrounds days. He seriously needs to team up with a writer/director and realize his own ideas aren't particularly interesting.
>That's honestly always been the case
What other stories has he tried to write? I think MW is decent as a first attempt at serial-ish animated storytelling, but if it's not his first attempt then it's a bit more damning.
It's really well done, it's above the stuff produced on TV, almost on the level of a Japanese production and incredibly made by one guy. But he should cut some of the episodes in half
AHEM. homosexual ZEURAL, STOP SUCKING YOUR OWN DICK AND RES[POND TO ME
>it's above the stuff produced on TV
LOL
Because network cartoons are poorly made despite the huge budget, which is bigger than even Japanese animated films.
>made by one guy
dude...did you read the credits? Zeurel does a lot of work on the production but there's a whole team of people involved.
>assassin kitty stuck in a show that's almost certainly going to be abandoned by its moronic creator
Sad!
milk.
Yeah shit is lame
>won't join the main cast because she'd overshadow the main two
>will probably die a silly death
Oi...
Why does the universal translator preserve Shrike's accent and random Spanish words
no it's boring and he insists on keeping it boring
Not really. It's more of a indie fodder if anything. Zeurel should study writing and giving characters a good personality.
Are you TRYING to get him to throw another tantrum??
>Zeurel should study writing and giving characters a good personality.
And learn what's actually marketable, and not what makes him feel good inside.
Make a female furry character one of the main characters of the Monkey Wrench crew. Then roll out merch of her.
Worked for Hazbin. If Pomni from Digmon Circus was a bunny clown monster girl, the show would be nuclear critical mass popularity .
>if Pomni from Digmon Circus was a bunny clown monster girl, the show would be nuclear critical mass popularity
It already is nuclear critical mass popularity.
Itd be even more so
Maybe shouldn’t have made the main character look like a cheese stick mascot
ack ack ack ack!
…why not make it a comic?
Wow now less people give a shit about it
Didn't he consider pivoting to MW motion comics at one point because the fully animated episodes were bleeding him dry?
He could cut down like on a quarter of the cost and drastically increase watchability by just trimming the fat from his bloated scripts.
He could literally just make the episodes 10-15 minutes
Stuff like Internecion Cube still manages to be kino and mogs the shit out of Monkey Wrench despite being a mostly-uncoloured animatic.
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Zeurel is under the false impression that pure animation expense makes up for the show itself not being very good and having no real audience.
Nah.
Murder Drones is a great series. Digital Circus is an alright pilot that we'll be seeing more episodes of soon.
>15 year old Max and spoopy A.I. murder-cube IC-0n take on the shadow government. Basically, imagine you're running a 110° fever after watching too much anime and this is hell
I like how honest Liam is about his schizophrenic eldritch kino shows lmao
Does this guy have like.. nobody around to advise him or something? What the frick?
>Does this guy have like.. nobody around to advise him or something?
His wife..
Where and how the frick did he get 50k to blow on these episodes to begin with?
He didn't.
That's why he always gets so pissy when each episode underperforms. Zeurel's got some debts to pay.
Zeurel gets his legs broken arc coming?
>Currently hard at work on the storyboard part of Ep 4. Currently almost at 18 mins. Looks like this one is gonna be another monster. Enjoy some stills below~
>In other news we've pretty much burnt through our initial savings with Eps 1, 2 and 3 and are currently coasting off Patreon support and our itty bitty merch store.
>If we want to return to fully animated episodes we need to hit a total income goal of $10k a month. We're currently at a total of $6.2k and only have $3.8k to go. If we can hit that goal by June we should be set to have Ep 4 fully animated. If you like our nonsense and have a dollar to spare consider checking out our Patreon.
>Thanks again and I'll catch you next time~
https://zeurel.newgrounds.com/news/post/1431599
More =/= better
I'm just glad I'm not the one who burned through $100k+ to learn that
>18 mins
>Currently
This homosexual is just repeatedly shooting himself in the foot with these decisions
He could make this show purely off of his current patreon earnings if he'd just cut for time down to 7-10 mins
It's not like the long run time is needed
I felt bored a third of the way through each episode
I really don't understand why he has to make these into 30 minute episodes. Other indie stuff can accomplish at lot in less time but like other anons said he`s not playing into his strengths when it comes to making a story.
>only 4000 for voice acting
he paid that much and he could find someone worth a damn?
>shirt with the word BEARD on it
Am I supposed to find this funny or quirky? Is the creator mentally stuck in 2010?
it's funny cuz i don't think Zeurel really thought about the fact that being called "a beard" means a person dating someone in order to conceal their true sexual identity. that's all I can think about when I see the character.
That character is literally from 2010 or earlier, and has had the BEARD shirt since his initial creation. I have to presume at the time that yes, it was intended to be funny and/or quirky. It's just moronic now, of course.
Looks gross
Not with Digital and Hazbin around
not in a million years
I think Zeurel has gotten enough feedback at this point it warrants taking a moment to sit back, reflect, and seriously consider whether the concept is worth continuing with. He gave it a shot and it's just not clicking with audiences. Maybe it's time to let it go and move on and try with a new idea instead of trying to make this work. I don't get artists who stubbornly cling to a single idea, don't they have dozens to pick from?
>episodes are too long
>animation is probably nicer than is warranted, people would accept less
>the designs are not attractive
>no one wants to frick these characters or make fanart for them
>writing isn't good enough to offset the art
I think the dude is just too wedded to this idea which I don't get because don't artists/writers have dozens of ideas they'd love to work on? The characters are honestly outdated.
>the designs are not attractive
says you
Most of those are "blink and you'll miss it"
Most of these are background characters, we are still stuck looking at hispanic Earthworm JarJar and Minecraft Jet most of the time.
This show could get very popular if the main characters were the cats instead.
Only one/two of these are actually decent
I'd frick at least seven of those (none of the masculine ones btw)
>aliens are anthro animals
this is why monkey wrench is a flop
>Tyneen confirmed to be asexual and aromantic
show ruined, no wonder it's flopping
>Tyneen confirmed to be asexual and aromantic
proof?
Honestly, another thing is that I don't think this show's color palette is doing it any favors.
Hell no
Meh writing
Shit acting/direction
Concept that isn't that stellar to begin with
Decent art but not good enough and MC designs that just are not fun to watch
You could fix it by having really fricked up horrible things happen to them, things that put the fear of God in them that mean that nothing in the story will ever be the same again
Zquirrel won't do that because they are his babies and so for him it's like abusing his children
maybe he should have children and come back to the project with fresh eyes.
He's 37 according to his newgrounds profile. Unless he lied about his age when making the account, he's basically past the point of having children.
he can still have offspring but they will just turn out very autistic
like me 😀 that's why i'm here
:^)
cope. men can have children during the duration of their lifetime.
if his wife doesn't want kids, well... therein lies the problem.
Of course he's physiologically capable of having children. It's not a matter of can he, it's a matter of will he. If a man hasn't had any children at age 37, he almost certainly won't ever have any.
>If a man hasn't had any children at age 37, he almost certainly won't ever have any.
The kindergarten my wife works at has a child whose father is 70 years old..
I think one of the funniest things about monkey wrench is that not even people in the indie animation community seem to care.
I always see people retweeting posts and shouting out indie projects and I've seen only one that included money wrench. Even stuff that has awful animation/artwork gets more support.
I would have killed myself at this point if I was zeurel.
The indie animation community is constantly shouting out new projects, but it’s rare you’ll see them continue boosting one single show. Port by the Sea and Ramshackle both got some love by the community because they are pilot episodes and brand new, but people aren’t boosting the Lackadaisy shorts or new murder drones episodes. I think the idea is to give the new projects some visibility, but after that initial boost, they need to stand on their own legs and do their own marketing. After the initial leg up from more known productions, most of the retweeting comes from dedicated fans.
Zeurel is mad that people aren’t helping boost his show, but it seems like he’s just failed to capture the passion of his fan base. He’s been included in interviews with indie animators and there was a pop of activity boosting MW when Lackadaisy met their season 1 funding goal, but at a certain point he needs to be able to be self sufficient. If productions constantly retweeted his shit, their accounts would be more about him than their own stuff.
>Port by the Sea and Ramshackle both got some love by the community because they are pilot episodes and brand new, but people aren’t boosting the Lackadaisy shorts or new murder drones episodes
?????
?
>Lackadaisy
Still in production, it always had a relatively small community but got lots of hype around the fundraiser.
>Murder Drones
This I don't understand, the latest episode in particular blew up faster than any episode previously and also has the most talk around since since any episode previously.
>Zeurel is mad that people aren’t helping boost his show, but it seems like he’s just failed to capture the passion of his fan base.
Zeurel fundementally doesn't understand the basics of capturing an audience. He doesn't even know who his show is for. Ultimately, nobody cares because he's fumbling around calling the shots himself and he keeps shooting himself in the foot over and over with really stupid decisions. Other indie series are successful because the showrunners understand their viewership and know how to drum up discussion about their work.
>lackadaisy
They’ve been steadily putting out shorts and vignettes leading up to the release of season 1
>murder drones
There is fan discussion but I thought we were talking about the indie animation community (as in the creators). You don’t see creators of other shows boosting new episodes like you do when a brand new show puts out a pilot.
>I thought we were talking about the indie animation community (as in the creators). You don’t see creators of other shows boosting new episodes like you do when a brand new show puts out a pilot.
An already popular show with a consistent viewerbase doesn't need shoutouts past the pilot episode because there's no need to draw attention to it when it already has the attention it needs. Once it reaches that point, the show is propegated by its own established community.
Zeurel completely fricked up the baby steps of Monkey Wrench. He's gone straight into trying to crank it out as a full show when he failed to establish an audience for it right at the beginning, and now he expects it to suddenly get popular and for internet personalities to namedrop and support it out of nowhere when it already has multiple episodes.
It's already past the point of anyone caring, it failed to hook anyone initially (mainly due to Zeurel's bad management) and now he's continuing it out of desperation.
> Once it reaches that point, the show is propegated by its own established community.
Can you think of an indie show that didn’t find footing after the pilot and continued to be boosted by the indie community?
Not a single one... outside of Breadwinners.
Breadwinners was mainstream
But point made. Indie shows don’t keep getting boosted by other indie creators beyond the initial release. People have tried to help Zeurel out. At this point getting the word out is not the problem. People know it exists, they just don’t care.
Then he really needs to start smaller. He can't rely on Fulp's money for long.
Monkeywrench feels like it'd be better as a comic.
Does Zeurel have other ideas?
He used to participate in many OC tournaments on deviantArt and uploaded lots of comics that were very enjoyable and conceived his sense of motion well, especially the Pokémon one. Those seem to have been lost when he nuked his account however..
>especially the Pokémon one
I remember that one, and in a thread her or in Cinemaphile, an anon shared a zip file with all the Zeruel comics from the pokemon tournament.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rpge48tyquu83p6/Imgur+Album+Pokemon+PCBC+by+Zeurel.zip/file
Enjoy.
based knowers
Some of the OC tournament stuff he did can still be found on YouTube
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Will it ever become good?
Mungkin...
Jika pencipta bukan pelacur perhatian
dan jika dia mengupah orang baru untuk bekerja pada rancangannya
Mc too much of an butthole and his voice is annoying as shit. If he had the same voice and accent as the guy in Futurama using Little Andrew as a gun, he might be ok. High pitched hispanic accent, at a time when hispanics are actively invading us? Frick this guy.
>High pitched hispanic accent, at a time when hispanics are actively invading us? Frick this guy.
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You ALMOST spelled "Malcolm". Nice.
It fails because it isn't appealing to mentally damaged teenage girls.
If Monkey Wrench was your show how would you do it instead (while keeping the general concept intact)?
>15 minute episodes
>new plot a week
>they actually look like monkeys
>character driven, no overarching plot necessarily other than world building advancements
>different title
>different main character designs
>those girls are now apart of the main cast
>different VA for the worm guy
>girls are a part of the main cast
just doing this would work wonders for it
Have the main protags looks like aliens or actual hybrids of aliens. As everyone has pointed out Shrike and Bulldog hardly look alien and simply look like badly drawn Humans.
Runtime for each episode will range from 15-20 minutes max unless there's a final involved.
The two man team will be a four-man team right from the start. Have an Assassin like female character with a personality resembling Cad Bane but also with some Jesse McCree from Overwatch as well.
Also have an Engineer that is personality-wise a mix of Medic and Spy from TF2.
Change VA so that are more fitting with the characters.
Have plotlines that are a mix of a overarching plot and character driven stories.
I would start by not banking everything on a cheesestrings mascot
Maybe if he starts posting some fricking shorts of the show for zoomies to find on their phones.
They're not gonna sit down and watch a 30 minute video
They would if it was good. By the way, older zoomers are in their 20s. We were kids in the 2000s.
>have a perfectly good channel with 500k subs
>DON'T use it to post your indie animation show and instead make a 2nd channel that still hasn't even made 100k subs yet
This is the single biggest and stupidest move he made. Literally just chop off 80% of your viewerbase.
>made a fat man unnattractive to (furry) baragays
>made a two male team unbaitable for fujo ship
>white male appropriating latinx curse words
>it's cowboy beebop without soul
>made a fat man unnattractive to (furry) baragays
>made a two male team unbaitable for fujo ship
When you put it like that, it's almost impressive how hard Zeurel failed to make his characters appealing in any way.
I agree but I don't think that fully explains why his show isn't popular, seeing as something like Helluva Boss is just as poorly written but still way more successful. Quality has only ever been loosely tied to success, especially short- and mid-term success. You don't have to be great to be popular, you can just be good-enough at giving people whatever they're hungry for—that's how Little Ceasars made it big.
Monkey Wrench is unpopular because it fails on both counts; its premise scratches no itch and its execution isn't good enough to get people hooked regardless.
i really like the show and i really like zeurel and his artstyle, always has
but i do see why it's not as popular as zeurel hoped, the main characters are what i blame personally. They really aren't that interesting and i honestly feel that they could use a third main character. Another thing is their designs, while i like them i can see how others wouldn't really vibe with them as much, they feel way more like a recurring antagonist duo that shows up to mess with the main cast only to get beaten time and time again
Does any one else think the old designs were far better?. I appreciate the effort in making the characters look three dimensional, but It makes them look ugly and unappealing to me.
No. You're the only one who thinks Shrike looked better back then. Zeurel is a genius character designer and is better off not asking for input from any of his fellow internet cartoonists. I'd argue Shrike and Beebs look 10x more iconic than the entire Digital Circus cast. That's just how flawless their designs are. Bravo, Zeurel!
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