Will the Scott Pilgrim animated series be mega-popular far beyond and Cinemaphile show in recent years, or will it be so controversial that it will lose all appeal and bomb?
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I always wondered why SP is still very popular today and people are vocal about it despite the really problematic nature of the story. I guess cause it’s funny
Normal people do not give a frick about that shit
Because the people who complain about age gaps also grew up with Scott Pilgrim so they're biased.
If F*R*I*E*N*D*S* did something problematic, we should point it out because I was only a baby when that show was airing. But don't do the same for Scott Pilgrim because I grew up with it and like it.
That's the mentality.
It probably helps that the age gap between him and Knives is treated as a negative and Scott is supposed to be a garbage person. Ramona and Scott are both awful people who deserve each other, but maybe they can learn to not be terrible together.
That doesn't always matter, though. The Office has been labelled as being problematic lately because of Michael Scott's offensive behavior when the whole point is that he's a moron doing the wrong things and offending people.
Then it's time to label the people calling these shows problematic, as problematic
Most people aren't labelling it problematic because they understand the point of Michael Scott's character so this argument doesn't really work
lol why did you stylize friends instead of just doing something like
friends (the very well known sitcom)
It's literally about a group of 20 year olds sexually grooming a highschool girl, plying her with drink and drugs, and passing her around the friendgroup.
yes it's about a band
Many people are able to comprehend that enjoying watching a story unfold does not mean you endorse the actions of the characters or want them to be your real life friends.
It's also bad in the context of the story. Everyone keeps telling Scott he is a fricking creeper for having shit to do with a 17 year old up to the point when he breaks it off.
sounds woke
Haha it's funny because a grown adult is taking advantage of an underage who has no world experience outside of public school
Scott is hardly 'grown', he's a loser who plays in an indie band and his 'dating' Knives was just listening to her talk about her day.
No power dynamic? The guy is going to be stronger physically, which is a pretty big diff. Also what if the other teen is super rich? Isn't being richer than someone also problematic?
>Haha it's funny because a grown adult is taking advantage of an underage who has no world experience outside of public school
Uh... okay?
So what's your solution for Knives, exactly?
She's not allowed to date at all, or that she should just stick with someone as clueless as her?
Why are either of these healthy solutions?
>the really problematic nature of the story
Because its relatable? Not everyone is a mentally ill cultural marxist brainwashed into thinking all white people need to die. Because teenagers and young adults do stupid shit reflect on said stupid shit and learn(hopefully) from said experiences.
Scott is not a good person EVERYONE KNOWS THIS EVERYONE HAS SAID THIS SINCE THE FRICKING COMIC CAME OUT NO ONE WENT WOW I WANNA BE JUST LIKE SCOTT. Scott is not a scumbag piece of shit, its not like he's doing bad things because he knows its bad and enjoys it. Scott is just an airhead he knows this and he is scared to confront his problems or to move on from events in his past. But slowly he does and he admits to all his frick ups and tries to fix them. Ramona on the other hand IS A BAD PERSON SHE IS A bawd AND SHE KNOWS THIS. Ramona really did not try to change for the better. Which is why these two are made for each other, an airhead and an egocentric.
What drives me fricking insane is we never got an epilogue to see if like you know these two became REAL adults and changed their lives for the better.
Or did Scott pump a baby into Ramona the two of them fight constantly and split after 3 years. Scott becomes an alcoholic fixated on the past refusing to accept he was at fault. And Ramona became a BPD prostitute who has a new babydaddy every few months their poor child does not do well social. Does not get effection love support or etc was molested by one of Ramones baby daddies. And figured thats how you get love from one of your daddies and becomes hyper sexual in order to seek out effection and love from everyone of her new dads. Till she ends up getting knocked up at her first peroid. With Scott finding out about this and going insane because Ramona was such a b***h she forced the courts to never allow him to see their child. So Scott has been slowly sobering up and finally adulting so he can get custody of their child and shes no longer in a grouphome.
if zoomers wrote Scott Pilgrim he would have started off as a white knight who simps for Ramona.
He's not supposed to fight 7 evil exes, he's supposed to become her top donator.
Not gonna lie. Some simp fighting off other simps over he acknowledgement of an e-thot would be pretty funny.
Bro made up a whole fanfic to prove his point.
For me its because scott doesn't seem malicious. Actually actually it seems at no point he realizes what he's doing. Scott is a dipshit moron who basically falls ass backwards into every major event of his life. The reason he started dating Ramona before he broke up with Knives is because he legit didnt seriously consider her a romantic partner.
>problematic
so Scott should have been well-adjusted, wise, and ethical from the beginning? I guess thats some story you got there where a character doesn't need to grow
Popular among only millennial losers
i hate lesbians
>really problematic
fricking have a nice day
Gen Z is too autistic to understand nuance and the fact fiction is not real
So no it will not age well
anon, scott pilgrim is gen z
That explains why it disappoints me.
What? The audience for the book and movie were born before the 2000s.
The movie is better than the comic has better pacing.
Snot Pogrom is literally supposed to be late gen x, based on when it takes place, the author and the references.
It was released in the early 2000's, that's practically gen z territory even if the creators were oldgays. reminder that the supposed "created by millennials" shit zoomers like to spout are also made by genxers.
The oldest members of Gen Z would've been 8 years old when the Scott Pilgrim comic came out, and 12 when the movie did.
excuse me, 14 when the movie hit
That's millennial.
The millennial to zoomer transition is roughly 1996, on the premise of having memory of Y2K hitting or not.
Also scoot was based on O'Malley and he's 44 years old (gen x).
>he supposed "created by millennials" shit zoomers like to spout are also made by genxers.
Some examples?
you misunderstood, was talking about garbage like "oh this has script written by millennials" but then you look at the writers it's a bunch of oldgays
you imply they don't consume media at that age. I was two when OG TMNT came out and watched it
Early zoomers were born in 1995~
>you imply they don't consume media at that age
8 year olds aren't reading graphic novels about 20-somethings fricking teens
if timmy can read dark knight returns and fables fine, he can read a graphic novel of cartoony characters with big eyes
>if timmy can read dark knight returns and fables fine
being able to read something and being able to comprehend it is two different things.
8 year olds aren't reading DKR and Fables
>Early zoomers were born in 1995~
No they fricking weren't you absolute Black person millennial, stop trying to change the start date for zoomers to include yourself.
yeah I stand corrected, still doesn't make SP applicable to them
>still doesn't make SP applicable to them
Yes it does. If you asked a 7 or 8 year old in 2004 about the references in the new Scott Pilgrim book do you really expect them to know?
>I was two when OG TMNT came out and watched it
You didn't watch it. you looked at it because it was colorful and had funny looking looking turtles doing goofy shit. You barely knew what a turtle was let alone what teenage,mutant, or ninja meant. Also the TMNT cartoon was a kiddified version of a mature comic that was for 7 year olds. The first Millennials. Scott Pilgrim was made for teens and young adults which were mid-late millennials. Yes Zoomers could technically read it but they wouldn't understand or be interested in it. Just how like you didn't understand TMNT at fricking 2.
pretty sure 8 years olds could get SP
What did you know about romantic relationships and adult responsibility at 8? Also did you care about romance in your comics at 8?
NTA but I was a 10 year old when it movie came out, watched it and then picked up the books because I liked it.
oh right, examples like garbage Forspoken. you know there's that homosexual who made "millennial writing", most likely an underage
>"created by millennials" shit zoomers like to spout are also made by genxers.
When people say spongebob was a millennial thing they mean kids born in the 80s and 90s were the primary recipients of the early seasons, the fact the show continued for 24 years doesn't make it a gen a or gen z thing, it just means nickelodeon is shit.
Gen z was too busy being born and shitting their diapers in the early 2000s to read scott pilgrim
The problem with that logic is gen z has nothing to connect to with SP when it came out. It's all about early 2000s suburban college hipster culture, and only the people from that culture will get much out of how the characters talk and act because everyone else finds those people insufferable.
early 2000s would be right when most zoomers were born. its not something they'd grow up with. nothing says millennial like shitty indie music and pixel art nostilagia
You're comparing birth years to book releases date. It doesn't work like that. Even latest millenials would barely be old enough to read it, much less the oldest zoomers.
>anyone younger than me is a zoomer.
Not so fast gen xer you won't get away with your crimes on society.
the captcha needs to be harder, an ape like you should not be able to post
it would still be okay or at least normal if it was real
how old do you think your parents were when they started fricking
>how old do you think your parents were when they started fricking
the same age as each other, like they are now?
So you can't criticize it?
criticize what? that a character starts with flaws they need to overcome?
Does he actually overcome his "flaws"? I never read the comic.
then why are you trying to critique it
I'm not trying to critique it. I'm critiquing you critiquing someone's right to critique something, assuming you're that anon
NTA but clearly he's critiquing the hypothetical critique of that critique, critiquing someone's right to critique something.
It reminds of the people that say they want to return America to the glory days with the founding fathers and early presidents; you know the presidents that married women less than 18 when they were 25 and older.
>Does he actually overcome his "flaws"? I never read the comic.
Yes but it takes like 6 volumes and he literally fights his dark side because comics have to be super literal in their metaphors.
Jesus fricking Christ people keep b***hing how the e-girlcon pedophiles can't separate fact from fiction but they REALLY can't do it themselves. It's astounding.
SHE WAS LEGAL AGED WHERE THE STORY TOOK PLACE BUT NOT FOR A FEW MONTHS WHERE I'M READING IT IN LOS ANGELES California YOU SICK FRICK
>people keep b***hing how the e-girlcon pedophiles can't separate fact from fiction
no they don't . That implies that they separate fact from fiction. They just say that e-girlcons are attracted to actual little girls.
YouTubers needs to kill themselves
Isn't the age of consent in Canada 16 and even then multiple people still gave him shit in the story for dating Knives? You're not supposed to root for this relationship
No anon, you don't understand. Everyone, even the bad guys, have to be politically correct and never do anything amoral IRL. Even if you have a literal Nazi, you can't have them express any actual Nazi beliefs or else you'll be platforming hate speech and enabling bigots!
It doesn't matter if someone calls him out or it's treated as wrong. Even depicting it in fiction is problematic and will make people upset, and defending it makes you a fascist.
Also you can't make people purely evil because that's problematic (and think about the people who want to LARP as them, you bigoted piece of trash)
Ugh, get with the goddamn times.
I had someone argue with me a villain shouldn't be homophobic or transphobic, when I argued that as a villain they shouldn't be good people they stated "They can be bad without being transphobic, some of these fricking people just want to be shielded from ANY negativity even if it make sense contextually and makes for a more detailed villain
Which is funny because these are the same people who will portray any Republican as all the ist’s and isms they’re scared of
Well yeah anon but fictional characters are supposed to be entertaining, being transphobic isn't entertaining it just makes people uncomfortable.
>Transphobic
>Not entertaining
Pick one.
Also you’re the reason why modern villains are ass now. Can’t have villains you love to hate because writers don’t want pansies like you crying on the internet
Anon I was being sarcastic, you and me agree on the same thing.
Oh sorry Anon. Carry on
Literally nobody above the age of 25 and has a life worth living gives a shit about transphobia. Literally wasn’t a word 10 years ago
It was a word 10 years ago. it came from the depths of Tumblr and the more radical sects of Reddit like r/SRS.
I warned others about this and how they'd expand. I was called crazy and told to go to /misc/
How do I get back at the tumblrtards who stole the last 10 years with their crazy bullshit?
Commit a shooting that kills several trans people, in Minecraft.
You know how.
>Literally wasn’t a word 10 years ago
Well I think the term did start on Tumblr a bit earlier than 2013, but yeah it wasn't a term until recent internet shit
>Literally wasn’t a word 10 years ago
BAWWWWW YOU CAN’T USE A NEW WORD!!!! NEW WORDS BAD!
Congratulations anon, you’ve literally become your parents b***hing about every single new young thing you liked as a kid but was too alien for them because of a generational gap
>being transphobic isn't entertaining it just makes people uncomfortable.
I didn't know evil characters aren't supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.
When I was growing up, THIS guy was a protagonist. Not a hero, but a protagonist. Because the point of the story was that choosing to do evil was better than being forced to do good.
We often joke about it, but this is a case of a story you actually couldn't tell nowadays because people are too sensitive and can't handle the idea of a fiction character being anything other than either a paragon of progressive virtues or (if the villain) a stereotypical, heavily censored Chud.
If they seriously tried to remake Clock Work Orange today,
>Alex would be black, because his experiences more closely resemble the "PoC" experience
>Still into classical music, maybe classic rock, but he hates that he acts "so white" and tries to keep it on the down-low
>He'd be a good boi who isn't trying to do anything wrong, but gets caught up in a bad crowd
>He tries to STOP his thug friends from raping a woman, but gets framed and betrayed
>Evil rayciss white Trumpist government arrests him and mentally tortures him as part of some sinister plan to brainwash and correct PoC youths
>He is attacked by rayciss ytpipo over and over but can't defend himself
>Finally helped by the wife of the woman his thug friends raped
>She uses him to create a mass protest movement to take down the rayciss gubmint
It's disturbing how realistic that sounds. Hollywood would 100% market it as an "authentic reboot, but updated for the Modern Audience."
The chaotically distressing thing is that I know some people who never grew out of their college years who would unironically think that's a brilliant concept and outline to "fix" ACO's problematic elements while keeping it ostensibly the same story. Completely, absolutely, utterly, beyond all human comprehension missing the point of the novella and the movie.
It's over.
>it just makes people uncomfortable.
Damn I guess we have to destroy horror as a genre then cause it definitely aims to make people feel uncomfortable...
Frick trannies, I hope they're uncomfortable. Insane people shouldn't feel accepted.
Then neither should tourists like you.
I was here before MLP, Black person.
Hillary lost
Dude, I've had people tell me villains shouldn't be EVIL and that if a villain is unironically evil, that's "bad writing." Every bad guy should actually just be a "good guy" but misguided.
>source: went to college at major university (in a flyover state, not West Coast, surprisingly enough)
Kill them, kill that person.
Funny thing is that every dangerhair-written """bad""" guy who's actually a "muh victim of patriarchal capitalist male society and a broken family left no other options" who is actually in the right but has to be stopped because he kicked a puppy once is never going to be 100th as iconic as classic villains like Darth Vader or Hannibal Lecter.
I don't much like the show anymore and hate /dbs/ but this is what keeps me coming back to DBZ compared to virtually all other shonenshit that tries to make every bad guy some pained victim with a tragic angsty backstory.
Tragic backstories can work, but the way they're handled these days makes it clear the writers think that any trauma in someone's past excuses their current actions (and, considering WHO is writing these stories, probably makes them totally hot bad boys who can be helped and corrected with the right affection)
Frick that. I want some clear-cut bad guys again. Everyone I know wants some clear-cut bad guys again.
>Freeza comes back again, teams up with Goku and saves the universe
>immediately afterwards says he’s going to fricking kill all of them for his own sadistic pleasure and leaves to start planning it out
It’s really quite refreshing to have a bad guy who is just evil and proud of it.
I seriously wonder what would happen if these become the victims of crimes or medically diagnosed psychopaths.
This is unfortunately pretty common; it's related to that thing were bad guys have hyperbolic reactions to things like racism
Kind of reminds me of people trying to ban huck finn or to kill a mockingbird because they have the word Black person in them.
Respectfully disagree that this is a common attitude. People that have it do tend to be loud, I'll get you that but most people understand that the villains aren't going to be good people.
Yeah but the loud idiots tend to make headway into actually implementing their stupid ideas. It's why every villain sucks balls these days.
I mean if they're just exhausted by the topic itself then I don't think it matters that the topic was brought up justifiably.
If I'm sick of everyone talking about Elon Musk, I'm gonna flock to whatever place mentions Musk the least. Doesn't matter how good a reason people have for talking about him, I'm just sick of any and all mention of him.
>I had someone argue with me a villain shouldn't be homophobic or transphobic
There's some logic to this, even if they're portrayed in a bad light, a toxic idea shouldn't be allowed to spread.
slit your wrists
I'm going to spread my fist across your face, homosexual.
But destruction and murder are ok things to spread?
Violence is exciting, some wish fulfillment story about a grown ass dude dating a teenage child is not.
have a nice day tourist
Why are you trying to reason with a person who is so clearly disinterested in thinking about their statement for more than two seconds?
>You're not supposed to root for this relationship
Why? Imo Scott Pilgrim should be changed so that he realizes how much of a bawd Ramona is and just have him settle to a normal life with Knives.
He will end up with Wallace who will dick him into being a better person
In the movie maybe but in the comic Scott and Ramona are actually pretty good with each other. Either way, Knives doesn't deserve to have to settle for Scott.
It works better with Scott as a dumbass who doesn't deserve Knives.
>Scott Pilgrim
AKA Canadian FLCL?
I'm shocked it's getting an animated series at all. This is something that should've happened ten years ago at the absolute latest, and preferably around 2010-2011 in the aftermath of the movie
>MAYBE could've happened around 2015-2016 when there was that wave of quirky indie-fied star-filled cartoons like Steven Universe and Star vs the Forces of Evil going strong
I've been saying this since 2015 myself. Mid-2010s was the perfect time for a Scott Pilgrim cartoon because it felt like a whole bunch of cartoons and comics coming out were trying to ape its indie-rock/16-bit/cartoon star/anime-inspired aesthetic and feel
I think it'll be controversial to an extent.But I also stand with in that its uneccesary.
Are you referring to Lost at Sea, Snotgirl, or a different work?
It's happening now because all that media corpos know to do these days is revive/reboot/remake old financially proven properties.
That and its main focus is on gay characters
Why can’t you do it now?
everything is now Black personfied
>Scott Pilgrim
>AKA Canadian FLCL?
Isn’t Naota like half of Scott’s age? Not to be cheeky or anything, but I see people compare these two series all the time, and i don’t really get it.
I've never heard the comparison before, I can only assume it's because it's very straight forward coming of age story obfuscated by wacky bullshit. However the execution and context is completely different
They're very different stories, but they do have extremely similar overall vibes in terms of the type of coming-of-age story being told through a quirky surreal lens. Both are stories set in relatively "mundane" settings where pretty weird stuff is already occurring but the arrival of an outsider affiliated with the supernatural kicks off a series of progressively stranger events.
The characters themselves are the most different, especially Naota and Scott who are pretty much completely inverse to each other with Naota being an actual kid who tries to put on a front of being mature compared to everyone around him and actively resists the events of the story most of the time, whereas Scott is an overly-immature adult who actively pursues his connection to Ramona and accepts the task of defeating her evil exes willingly while all the more well-adjusted people around him try to tell him he's being an idiot.
They're more spiritually similar than they are narratively.
>but I see people compare these two series all the time
This is the first time I've ever heard that comparison.
>7 years apart
>OMG grooming
People crying about age gaps are fricking deranged. So fricking stupid.
We live in era where an AIDS ridden troony blowing inside another dude’s anus is stunning and brave but a 20 year old dating a 30 year old is supposed to be sacrelige
>a 20 year old dating a 30 year old is supposed to be sacrelige
she needs to frick at least 1000 Black folk before dating a white man
A grown man dating a high schooler and then passing her around with his friends will never not be creepy.
back to tiktok zoomy
I wasn't aware opposing cradle robbery was a zoomer trend.
>cradle robbery
??????
>cradle robbery
Paying taxes, can work, drive, and sign up for the army. Those poor babies. Are you on medication?
You're talking about a 17 year old.
Have you ever met a high schooler.
>passing her around
can women not think about gangbangs for 4 seconds
The thing is, I would understand if the people complaining about age gaps were against sex altogether until you're of age, but they would not blink an eye if it was a 17 year old having sex with another 17 year old. It's only the age difference that's bad not the sex itself, which is insane.
>but they would not blink an eye if it was a 17 year old having sex with another 17 year old.
Probably because there's no absurd power dynamic shit when they're both the same age? Fricking idiot.
The fricking idiot is YOU.
>power dynamic is a meme that has been irrelevant for all time in history. Men and Women were never equal there. And it worked regardless. Because its not a prerequisite for a functioning relationship. Arguably society worked better then
>even if power gap was a real thing, nobody ever argues about young women having more power inside dating market. Its actually all about denying one the freedome to make proper choices
heck... americans are so cringe and moronic... they even claim the brain somehow needs to develop until someone is 25 years old. Guess thats what "oversocialization" does to a society.
How is your first thought about this subject Americans?
The level of obsession to bring them up in random topics is honestly impressive
>AMERICANS
obsessed.
>muh power dynamic
this may sound crazy but 99% of human history men were expected to have more power than woman, and they would take lead.
Scott was barely a grown man at the beginning pf the comic. He was barely even human.
lolno
The only unrealistic part is that Scott is not Chad. Chads frick high school girls all the time while they would smash your face in for even talking to them. Even 14 year old girls get fricked by 20-something Chads. Ask a normie adult male if he would frick a teen and he'll respond with disgust and outrage out loud, but he'd take the chance if he was Chad too.
But enough about refugees.
Shut the frick up you moralgay
When did Knives get "passed around", moron? And how did no one challenge you on this? Knives bounced from Scott to a drunken smooch with Kim, then to Young Neil.
You're the type of person that believes people aren't responsible for their own actions because of muh power dynamics.
Rope yourself.
Is young Neil even older than knives? I always got the impression they were the same age.
wiki says he's 20 but i don't know where they get that info from
I smashed an older woman when I was that age and it was great
>t. average groomer victim
the only thing i hate more than pedos are the victims who grow up to become apologists
>creepy
its pathetic, not creepy. big difference but terminally online gays need to accuse everyone a potential molester to draw attention away from themselves
And really, isn't that what this is really about? Crying about fictional stories as deflection?
Zoomers are really dumb about it.
Like I've seen them b***h about how 'disgusting' an age gap was between a 28 and a 37yo was. Even though they were both adults
Lmao I love watching zoomers cancel each other over age gaps. Saw some literal who streamer get canceled because he thirsted for a 16yo when he was 19. Many cases like this most of which with less than a 6 year age gap.
>Two legal adults are more than 2 hours apart in age? HOW DARE YOU GROOMER PEDOPHILE.
>Teaching 6 year olds how to have anal sex and taking them to drag shows at a strip club? Uhhh you know kids can CONCENT you chud!
>Scott is a pedo because he dates a 17 year old
Fricking zoomers, I swear. Do they suddenly believe a girl on her 18th birthday suddenly has the ability to contact. I swear this is going to make people who fricked prepubescent kids, y'know actual pedos, more diluted. Since they're gonna screech pedo at people who aren't pedos.
No one's saying Scott's a pedo, just that he's a creep.
He's not really creep, if it's legal. It's just zoomies screeching about an non-issue.
Anon he is supposed to be a creep. That is literally the point. It's so overt it's explicitly diegetic. The issue is people who for some reason think the main character is supposed to be admirable when the whole plot is about how he needs to stop being shitty.
Quints of Royal 5s, you win this thread overwhelmingly. I submit
>Quints
Well frick.
Yeah, maybe he is supposed to be a creep, the main point of the story is that Scott is kinda a dick. I still hate zoomers.
Cool quints and all but I don’t care. Roasties and gays treat like he committed a hate crime.
Excellent quints from one of the few people on Cinemaphile who reads and understands comics.
The quints speak the truth. Doubly so, since the quint 5s.
I laugh at how Zoomers thinking any age gap over like 2 years is grooming, but honestly it makes sense from their POV. Zoomers are "close to the front" in the culture war. To them, trans stuff and queer ideology is all totally normal, so they have a clearer view on "what's next" because THAT is the only thing weird to them. And what's next is normalizing 'Minor Attracted Persons' - pedophiles.
Age gap discourse among Zoomers is an antibody reaction to the normalization of NAMBLA.
Because what else is there to be the next front in progressivism once trans rights are done and dusted? Transracialism? Pfff.
We live in an age of therapeutic thinking, anon. "Evil" and "Good" imply moral standards, which only backwards people cling to because some Sky Daddy has to do their thinking for them.
You don't sound like you're laughing, sounds like you're seething
Go back tourist
>To them, trans stuff and queer ideology is all totally normal,
I don't think it's normal I think it's stupid.
People have been trying to link queer people to trans people for decades. Never gonna happen.
I was going to argue with you, but ahhh those digits. You must be in the right.
Quints of truth....I cannot do anything but check 'em.
Even besides the meme number post you're right. Knives is a literal, non legal adult who's still in high school and they make it pretty clear she's not even close to being a mature or socially aware person in anyway. Scott is a well out of college adult who's dating her purely because he knows that she's a dumb teenager who doesn't understand that he's a fricking loser.
This. Like the entire point of Scott Pilgrim is he SEEMS awesome, then over the course of the story you realize he's an unbelievably shitty human being that compartmentalizes away any aspect of his life that lets him not mentally assume the role of the innocent protagonist who can do no true wrong. It's literally the entire reason Nega Scott exists, the rejection of who he really is.
Keep in mind that while the comic never outright says it, he clearly has his Evil Ex-Girlfriends like Roman has her Evil Ex-Boyfriends. The difference is by the end of his character development, he makes peace with them while Ramona has him get rid of hers. Scott deserves someone like Ramona.
yeah he has
>knives
>pines
>romona
>Envy
>Lisa
Based quints with the correct reading.
This anon understands negative capability and irony.
There are a lot of things that are creepy and legal.
Nah it's still kinda creepy to go for a girl from a high school as a mid 20s something.
I mean at that age, she'd still be with her parents, he'd have to pick her up at her mom's house.
It's certainly creep behavior
He meets her on the bus with her mom, and then later her dad tries to murder him
Teenagers befriending and dating adults is not normal at all.
It actually is normal for female teenagers. When I was in 11th grade there was a classmate of mine dating a 40 year old and another girl who went to concerts to get railed.
The series acknowledges he's a creep and generally shitty person who technically didnt win (ramona is the kind of prostitute that he deserves) so I don't get why there are so many thinkpieces about it
Or in real speak, a guy that proves women makes regrettable decisions most of the time.
Ramona's list of ex's make that clear even without Scott added to them
Found the hag
Scott being a creep is the overarching theme of the story. Like half his friend group gives him shit about dating Knives and the story itself does everything short of straight up calling him a douchebag for it. The comic didn't age poorly, and people claiming it has like in OPs pic are just showing that they never read the fricking books. It was supposed to be kind of creepy then and it's still creepy now.
It's not creepy though
I fricked a 15 year old when I was 25 and it was incredibly hot. And I'm not creepy at ...
Wait no nevermind forget what I just said
Congratulations anon, you just went through the same realization Scott did and you didn't even need 6 volumes of over the top video game inspired fight scenes to do it!
Arguably anon's worse because Scott never got that far with Knives.
>I swear this is going to make people who fricked prepubescent kids, y'know actual pedos, more diluted. Since they're gonna screech pedo at people who aren't pedos.
moronic belief, why would the pedos with younger targets escape just because we've placed a wider degree of their kind against the wall. Speaking of, you're up next.
Listen, your kind has already ruined the word "racist" and "bigot" to mean "anybody who disagreed with me."
To paraphrase The Incredibles "When everyone is a pedo, no one is.".
>Speaking of, you're up next.
No. You are, troon.
Reminder that literally the only reason people care about this is that people naturally desire to follow sexual morality, but dumb Zoomers grew up in a time when there's supposed to be no sexual morality besides that rape is bad
I hardly ever hear liberals actually condemn acts against prepubescents specifically, which of course dovetails with how they do things like put sexual propaganda in children's cartoons
You just want an excuse to act like gestapo, you don't give a damn
>moronic belief, why would the pedos with younger targets escape just because we've placed a wider degree of their kind against the wall. Speaking of, you're up next.
Wasn't the age of consent in Canada like 12 or 14 till 2012?
On a womans 18th birthday the planets align and she is hit with a green beam of light that makes her instantly grow breasts and an ass to complement her new shapely body and suddenly every man under 25 starts to notice that she is a woman now and God himself pronounces that she is "good to go"
Anything less than that is literally raping babies
>Yowzers! This was okay 10 years ago, not now!
Lmao.
I don't understand... was there grass on the field or not?
They are just going to explore Scott being bi more to cover for this
This very thread demonstrates that OP's bait is an effective way of generating engagement. About two thousand dollars worth, according to that viewcount.
Scott Pilgrim is responsible for creating a shitty generation. Everything about it was the catalyst for the world today.
>claims it's controversial without explaining why
Scott dating a dumbass teen despite being (or trying to be) a mature adult is addressed in the story. They don't do anything about her dad being a grizzled, ninja-esque assassin who has the mistaken belief that he's preserving family honor by committing violence, though.
>claims it's controversial without explaining why
Do I have to explain why a 24 year old dating and fricking an underage child is controversial?
Scott's only 22. It's really not that creepy. Scott is juts dumb for going for Ramona when he already had Knives
Knives and Scott have no chemistry, it's a good thing they broke up. Even if you want to say she was good for him, he was bad for her and it would have tanked the relationship.
sure, do it. please indulge the class.
>fricking
That doesn't happen, though. Why did you automatically assume Scott fricks her? Projection, moronation, or attention whoring?
casual sex
All they did was hold hands a couple times, Scott is such a disaster of a human being who’s desperate for affection that he’s willing to entertain the idea of a 'relationship' with Knives despite himself being uncomfortable with it. There’s a reason WHY he immediately goes after Ramona when he meets her.
>underage child
Firstly, she's of age, secondly older teens aren't children
>older teens aren't children
Oh, so you trust teens to drink and vote and drive and smoke and own guns and consent to sex and access Cinemaphile and all the other things they really should not be doing? Well??
You can't really legistlate maturity. Some people do mature faster than others, regardless of what studies say.
Also, teens aren't allowed to legally do those things, but it doesn't meant they can't. Kids can't even do half those things. It's why there's a lot of teen heroes in media.
>Some people do mature faster than others
Stopped reading there. This is some fricking gross slippery slope shit, consider suicide.
I don't mean in that way. They're still not adults, but teens are not helpless kids. They still need guidance, but they have more agency than people give them credit for.
All of them? No. Some of them? Maybe, yeah. I certainly don't think they all become able to do those things at the same time. Some person may be responsible enough to be trusted with a car or a beer before they turn 18, and another person shouldn't be trusted with those things until way after they hit 18. Hell there's some 30+ year old adults I don't trust to be able to do some of the things you mentioned things. People mature at different rates, and "adulthood" is more often a sliding scale rather than a binary state. The whole point of having "teenager" as an age/stage of life is that they are no longer a child but not yet a full adult.
Drinking/smoking? No. Those are bad for anybody
Everything else? Yes. It'd unironically be better if we learned about driving, voting, home economics, firearm safety etc earlier. I think the age for gun ownership is already extremely low in the US and not that much higher in Canada
She wasn't underage and Scott didn't frick her
California isn't the entire world
legally she's considered a minor. She hasn't finished high school, can't vote, buy alcohol or cigarettes, or even send nudes(the world over considers sexual images of people under 18 to be CHILD porn regardless of aoc).
That said you are right that scott doesn't frick her and scott's relationship with her is supposed to show that he's a loser settles on an empty relationship with a high schooler because he doesnt want to be alone. idk why people are trying to hard to act like it's a normal thing when even in places where its legal grown men who target high school girls are socially shunned as either sad or creepy, and in scotts case it's 100% sad
Because culturally people are getting sick of the fake "protection" excuse and are seeing that it's resulted in multiple generations of stunted hypersensitive individuals
>Legally she's considered a minor.
No she isn't. 16 is the AOC in Canada and in fact most of the world.
Also the age to buy alcohol and tobacco is lower in canda.
It is weird however that there is such wide discrepency in the legal age for things like voting, driving a car, getting a job, joining the military, having sex, drinking, etc It really all should be a single age for all of them.
>no she isnt
see the image moron you could've googled this yourself even if she can consent to sex she's still considered a minor. That also applies to "most of the world" where the age of majority is 18 and more civilized places have things called romeo and juliet laws.
Also the age to buy alcohol and tobacco in canada is 19 in most places except in a few where it's 18. Really suspicious you came in here making shit up
>Also the age to buy alcohol and tobacco in canada is 19 in most places except in a few where it's 18. Really suspicious you came in here making shit up
Yeah and it's 21 in America
That's because America was smart enough to trust the science when it said that alcohol harms developing minds.
It's more that America never had a heavy drinking culture like the Brits/South Africans/Australians do
>It's more that America never had a heavy drinking culture like the Brits/South Africans/Australians do
Utah does not speak for the entire country.
No I'm serious, Burgers don't drink even a fraction as much as Bongs do. If someone in the US is getting completely shitfaced, it's because they're stupid or have a problem. In Bongland that's just expected of you. You're also expected to start drinking earlier in Bongland, well before the legal age.
According to science your brain doesn't finish developing until age 25 so why not make it 25 to drink/smoke/drive/have sex/join the military/work/vote?
>It is weird however that there is such wide discrepency in the legal age
Not really. Those are different things with different concepts for existing, it makes perfect sense that different AOCs are applied to them.
Why is it okay for me to pork a seventeen year old in Minneapolis but not in San Antonio? She's just as young, dumb and full of cum in one state as she is in another. This all seems very arbitrary.
It's not ok, you're just a freak who is obsessed with literal children.
Its not about the location, or the 17 year old. Its all about the person who'd want to frick a 17 year old. A small age gap isn't a big deal at all, but if you're multiple years her (or his, I guess) senior, then its obvious that you want to prey on someone much younger and inexperienced than you. Likely for a power trip, or to feel younger yourself.
I think it makes sense to ease people into adulthood by slowly giving them more rights and responsibilities.
The Canadian military also tends to ignore "drinking age" rules with the attitude of "If you are willing to die for your country then at least you can have a fricking beer."
Legally it's Canada so she can make her own decisions.
They explicitly state this in the 1st episode of Total Drama Island as all the campers are over 16.
A 17 year old child
I can just feel the reddit exuding off of your post, go back please.
> high school, can't vote, buy alcohol or cigarettes, or even send nudes(the world over considers sexual images of people under 18 to be CHILD porn regardless of aoc).
all of these do not make or break sexual maturity, scott is regularly painted as an underdeveloped manchild. You are a moron who moralgays about media because you're too pathetic to affect any real change.
>everyone saying it's not creepy
In the fricking comic itself, everyone's treating Scott like a creeper and he has to constantly stress he didn't do anything with Knives
Don’t try to womansplain a comic to us. Stupid b***h should know better and make better decisions.
Cinemaphile doesn't read comics. Especially comics released over ten years ago. Especially comics which were ridiculed here for years, for numerous reasons.
The simple act of depicting it isn't enough if the source material comments on the couple. If the writer is shining a spotlight on the issue and all but screaming at you, "Hey, isn't this fricked-up? Just slightly?" it doesn't count.
>for numerous reasons
None of which were natural. It was a forced meme because of a normalgay song.
Modern audiences view fiction as instructions for living. A fictional character doing something bad is seen as an unambiguous endorsement of doing bad things and would upset them. Simpsons would flop with modern under30s. Moe would upset them. Homer would give them a lump in their throat wondering if people are actually going to choke their kids because of the show. Etc. See also the enormous mass of zoomers who hate She-Ra because they think Catra will inspire people to be abusive. This is by all metrics the most nervous crop of people ever created. The future is psychotic mental ward programming like pic related.
>Modern audiences view fiction as instructions for living.
Which is why it was such a betrayal when the millenial holy bible, the Harry Potter series, was revealed to have been made by a terf.
It's funny how there's was so many gay ships and fanart involving Harry Potter, the JK Rowling got exposed as a TERF, then all of her fans turned on.
I didn't even like Harry Potter until the troons started crying about it, but I'll support JK Rowling and her transphobia if it makes troons seethe.
>It's funny how there's was so many gay ships and fanart involving Harry Potter, the JK Rowling got exposed as a TERF, then all of her fans turned on.
It's even funnier how most of them don't care, but you only hear about the ones who do.
No we think it’s shit that Catra is forgiven for killing the friend’s mom and wanting to brutally torture everyone and we’re supposed to see her as good now because “she’s a lezbi owo”
>Modern audiences view fiction as instructions for living. A fictional character doing something bad is seen as an unambiguous endorsement of doing bad things and would upset them. Simpsons would flop with modern under30s. Moe would upset them. Homer would give them a lump in their throat wondering if people are actually going to choke their kids because of the show.
How popular is cringe comedy with Zoomers, though?
I love Ted Lasso and I'm in my mid 30's. Mostly because I'm sick of stuff like The Office and It's Always Sunny.
>How popular is cringe comedy with Zoomers, though?
Zoomer cringe humor is lolsorandom humor but worse: Levels of absurdist humor and calling themselves moronic repeatedly
It was a product of the times.
And by times, I mean the fact that 14 was still legal in Canada when the first book came out in 2004 and Scott still got called out for it in that same book.
I'm so tired bros
Scott Pilgrim is responsible for turning most girls of that era into insufferable Ramona Flowers copies, including all her mental issues. And it turned all guys of that era into Scott Pilgrims aka they get obsessed over manic pixie dream girl types.
>Scott Pilgrim is responsible for turning most girls of that era into insufferable Ramona Flowers copies,
The comic barely made a blip and the movie less so, most women have no fricking idea what it is but low tier art hoes who don't branch out into deeper art hoe waters like criterion movies or even Woody Allen.
Women are a meme.
I mean the characters take every opportunity to remind scott that he is a creep/loser for dating knives.
People who read Scott Pilgrim better understand that the whole series is about how Scott is a piece of shit. That is the whole message of the series and why it leads towards Scott realizing he needs to work on himself and stop being such a repulsive butthole.
People who only watched the movie only saw Michael Cera's socially awkward, but well-meaning nice guy routine and missed that message entirely, walking away thinking that both Ramona and Scott were good people in rough situations.
Well, there's a bit of nuance to this. Scott at the beginning of the comic is an butthole, but a likeable one. He's supposed to have some charm. He's objectively a loser, but a 'cool' loser, especially to someone younger.
>dumb teen dates older guy because she thinks it's cool and gives her a cooler personality, not yet knowing how much of a loser the guy is
>millennial writing
Well they do say write what you know.
People like to pretend Knives is some innocent who can do no wrong, but when I was in high school it was well understood that any classmate who dated someone older than high school age was a bawd. Knives was the real villain all along.
>Knives dates Stephen Stills after being dumped by Scott
>Young Neil is 9 years old and everyone declines to explain why he's with them
Groomer Bob-omb
>knives would have turned stephen stills gay
>being transphobic isn't entertaining it just makes people uncomfortable.
Then why has there been crossdressing gags in cartoons for literal decades, until your kind freaked the frick out, because it's the troon equivalent of blackface?
The transvestite anti erasure league would like to have a word
The whole point of thatwas that scott's friends told him he was a bad person for leading on an impressionable teenager before dumping her.
But also the kinds of people who are mad about age gaps can suck my nuts.
I don't care care if it's technically pedophilia or not.
"Pedophile" will eventually mean "Anybody I don't like." because of zoomers like you, like you did with "racist" and "bigot" which now's been watered down to "anybody who doesn't share my view and consume the current garbage Hollywood creates".
Scott Pilgrim's whole damn problem was that everyone in that comic was an unlikable jerk in some way. The movie made it worse by removing any context of why Scott even wanted Ramona enough to fight for her hand (though the comic didn't make it to clear either, at least it depicted the two bonding).
No it wasn't. Everyone except Scott and Remona where likeable and nice people. That's also another point, Scott got away with everything because everyone was too nice and accepting of him thus actually supporting his shitty behavior.
For how much zoomers claim that they're glad to be in the -CURRENT YEAR- they sure can't stop whining about the past
I miss when defending or sympathizing with Shit Pilgrim immediately marked you as a loser. Things have changed. And not in a good way.
Good thing those days are still around, because I see more people calling out this shitty series than ever. The only people who don't are nostalgic hipsters who have yet to realize the movie's 13 years old
>BTW Kickass was better
I miss when gays like you were back in the closet.
Hot, long forgotten take: Scott Pilgrim is a bit of a scoundrel, that’s the character, he’s not just ‘you being cool and awesome’, he’s like a specific type of shiftless shit-not-together young adult, dating Knives WAS some uncoordinated thing he did while not knowing what kind of manic woman he was interested in.
I never read scott pilgrim, or watched the movie? Am I missing out on anything?
>Am I missing out on anything?
>AKA Canadian FLCL?
Except without anything that made that anime endearing or fun, and with everything wrong with 2000s suburban indie hipster obnoxiousness.
Comic has a cute artstyle that veers uncomfortably close to proto-beanmouth
Movie is at least a fun visual spectacle
Hard pass otherwise. Even O'Malley's follow up work, the one with the restaurant woman, is more enjoyable
It IS proto-beanmouth. Ask any of the beanmouth CalArts cartoonists, and they'll tell you straight up that Scott Pilgrim's pseudo-chibi look was a big visual influence.
> Except without anything that made that anime endearing or fun, and with everything wrong with 2000s suburban indie hipster obnoxiousness
That’s FLCL in a nutshell.
>Movie is at least a fun visual spectacle
It had a better message because the film makers realized that a manipulative prostitute wasn’t a good person to be with.
I think it's pretty enjoyable if you can put yourself in the right mindset and if you have nostalgia for the 2000s
Everyone in that was an butthole except for Knives.
>no one knows if scott graduated college or not
17 is fine and I'm tired of pretending it's not. Women only got till their early 30's to have babies safely and our culture is telling them they shouldn't think about settling down till their mid 30's
That’s not culture. That’s Satan and he should be erased for eternity along with his followers.
He confused the women to confuse the men. Women’s rights were made to further promote the anarchy of men and justify their shitty actions.
>Notice how gays will seethe at scott x knives but not kim x knives
Lesbians are hot, idiot. Two girls kissing equals two hot girls! 1 + 1 = 2 pal. Also, you're dumb. And gay. Sorry to break it to you.
Aww damn I forgot being gay exempts you from any moral depravity.
It’s okay if it’s gay (at least to twitter zoomers)
>drunk one off moment no one talks about and that Knives/Kim probably don't even remember, that's only played for laughs is the same as an actual canon relationship that is a huge plot point of the story and is a major character arch for multiple characters.
Drunken rape is worse than consensual dating you idiot.
>two drunk people making out
>drunken rape
I'm glad your generation is going to be the one that kills itself
That's because men mature but women stay mentally 13 forever.
i hate "current year" so much its unreal
This is a story about a guy running around, beating up other guys who were her ex-boyfriends, only to find out that she's treating him the exact same way that she treated all the others. It's not SUPPOSED to be a positive relationship. It's supposed to be a problem from the very beginning.
the comic literally starts with all of Scott's friends calling him a sick freak
>she's 17 you SICK FRICK
No, Scott was always a scumbag for dating an Knives.
Literally the 17 years, 11 months, 30 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes meme.
23 hours anon, 23, not 11.
>24-year-old
twenty-three
TWENTY-THREE
>NOOOO WHY ISN'T THIS CHARACTER WHO IS CLEARLY AN butthole NOT PORTRAYED AS A MORALLY PERFECT GUY???!
>HE'S THE PROTAGONIST HE SHOULD BE PERFECT OR I CAN'T SELF-INSERT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Man why do right wingers ITT try to justify and support pedophilia so much
Makes sense with how almost all pedos are known to be conservative
I'm not trying to justify pedophile, I hate those child frickers.
However I'm laughing about zoomers who screech about pedophilia when it comes to involving consenting adults because they happened to be under the age of California's age of consent.
>Makes sense with how almost all pedos are known to be conservative
Oh, so your child drag shows don't count? Eh, closet pedo?
I'm pretty sure that the age of consent in every civilized country is 16 (or lower).
It's only the "land of the free" (and a few shithole countries) that has it higher than that.
I hate this argument since genuine pedos keep pushing the boundaries but it's 16 in most of the US too, Scott is in creep but legal territory IMO but it's fricking moronic logically speaking that someone could be called a pedo in California but be totally fine in Texas.
16, 17, 18 is kind of a gray area and I find it really hard to give a frick without more context especially since 13 year olds are apparently mature enough to take HRT and get their dicks cut off.
i cant believe all trannies are also conservatives!
>Bryan Lee O'Malley wrote a comic about a 28-year-old grooming a 16-year-old, and then marketed it to 8-year-olds
what did he mean by this?
If you can't say you would do the same thing in his place, you're a coward.
>not posting the It Was Awful For Everyone page
You're a prancing la-la homosexual man.
Scott's skeeviness was born of his arrested development, not of any intentions of taking advantage of Knives
I don’t know if this is a hot take or not, but here it goes…
Pedophilia was and always will be cringe
I agree with you.
Pedophilia is cringe, but ebophilia is based.
That's a controversial statement on here, friend
>If I can't frick 16 year olds, the country is uncivilized!
Sure, brother. Its those stinky, uncivilized countries fault for not letting you prey on minors.
>That's a controversial statement on here, friend
Since 2016 at least
Millennials have never watched or produced any kind of media. All of "their" media was produced by Gen X, and consumed by Gen Z.
>Millennials have never produced any kind of media
>Smosh
>smiling friends
>AVGN
Millenials looked better before this post. Y'all unironically would be less cringe if you produced nothing.
What are the long term consequences of treating people like babies until they're 17 years 363 days old and then at 18 immediately expect them to virtuously shoulder all adult maturity and responsibility perfectly or they're cancelled
You might get depressed burnouts, NEETS, drug addicts, or purposeless individuals who think joining the military will solve all of their problems.
Wasn't the whole point of Scott Pilgrim that he was a douchebag and a dumbass that made poor decisions?
Media literacy, especially relating to flawed "problematic" characters you're not meant to support the actions of, is very difficult for many people.
Correct. Scott's a fricking idiototic parasite, literally a major part of the plot revolves around how shitty him and Ramona are and how both ultimately face that fact the hard way. Scott dating a high schooler is problematic but Scott is a piece of shit and you aren't supposed to consider that a good thing
How did it sound less bad back then? Pedophilia is pedophilia no matter what year media comes out.
Shut up dude. There's an old tradition that the Virgin Mary had about a maximum age Gap with Saint Joseph before she was pregnant with Jesus
You most certainly are defined by trends, accept it
Just because some b***h got groomed in the past doesn't make pedophilia ok.
You're right, if she were a boy it would be funny because there's no sense of material worth placed upon a man's virginity
>projecting whataboutism strawman
Interesting combination
Like other people have said, the relationship is treated as problematic within the story and Scott himself being kind of an butthole creep and everyone giving him shit about it
Also they don't really do anything inappropriate much less have sex
that's literally the whole point no one praises scott in the comic for doing something like this. everyone thinks he is being a creep loser that wants to be some badass older guy in the eyes of a 17 years old, but what are they going to do? at the end of the day they are all his friends and it's his life
>I won't tolerate [redacted] because it doesn't explicitly share the values I have absorbed by osmosis from external bodies
Jesus FRICK, I hate this attitude so much. It literally goes against the purpose of art. Sometimes I want to cry at the state of contemporanean culture.
>values I have absorbed by osmosis from external bodies
Sorry, does the concept of learned knowledge elude you? There's a reason those morals were made to be "absorbed," it's because pedophilia is unironically harmful to children from the ages of pre-birth all the way to 25.
>An age gap of
>18 (age of majority btw) - 24 = -6
Come on man. Getting a date's hard ebough as it is without these schizophrenic math games.
That's not what I meant, and you should know that.
>children up to 25 years of age
have a nice day.
It means their parents were bible thumping homophobes. They all act like this because they want to direct their hatred for gay people towards something other than homosexuality
What's with O Malley and homosexual men? Here and in Seconds. Is he gay?
He was pandering to the alt crowd before it was cool
>because hipster
After enough time in Canada, you come to accept them as ever-present.
I find it funny something that was called Reddit/tumblr trash here is now considered problematic.
You make one song about bpd prostitutes…
We need to accept that the song has more of a legacy than any Scott pilgrim media.
First off the age of concept in Canada at the time was 14. Also the whole point of Scott and Knives relationship was to demonstrate the fact that Scott isn't a good person, a borderline theme of the whole series. Dating a girl 6 years younger than yourself in your 20s looks shitty now and it looked shitty then. Scott's a shitty person.
What's shitty about it? Where is the harm in dating someone 6 years younger. If Knives was fricking someone her age what difference would it be, what problems could occur that would be exclusive from having an older partner?
Hello? The fact that she's still in school and he has a life outside of his parents' house? Why do all pedo defenders seem unable to grasp the negative effects of a skewed power dynamic?
>First off the age of concept in Canada at the time was 14.
That doesn't make it right. "Murder was legal in the wild west" doesn't suddenly make a wild west character not a murderer for killing somebody.
Judging mid 2000's Canada with the Austitically Shrieking '20s "morality" is unfair to mid 2000's Canada.
And this is moot regardless because the story we're talking about treats Scott's treatment of Knives as fricking weird and creepy and a moral failure on his part.
>That doesn't make it right. "Murder was legal in the wild west" doesn't suddenly make a wild west character not a murderer for killing somebody.
Did you not read the rest of my post, yeah dating a 17 year old when your 23 is shitty and that's the point. Scott's a shitty person.
It's weird to date a high school girl when your old enough to be out of college. Like I personally don't give a shit about age gaps but dating a highschooler when your considerably older it isn't the best look.
also why do people talk as though gen a doesn't exist. they're already in their teens making terrible posts
Because they don't exist in a way that is distinct from zoomers, they're just more zoomers. Culture capped out at zoomers, basically, just like most art forms capped out about 20-30 years ago. If change is coming, it can't be foreseen from where we are.
pretty sure parasocial addicts are gen a's
how are zoomers not parasocial addicts? all elements of zoomer culture and consumption and communication are based around the internet, just like gen A. there isnt a difference. That inability to separate online and IRL behaviour started earlier.
zoomers surely have experienced the cellphone era as opposed to gen a's, or the grungy tech era
it's why I wonder why people think 00's had no identity when zoomers should really know that by heart
uh... parasocial relationships have existed for a really really long time anon
culture halted with the birth of millennials and every "generation" afterward is just made up to give aging millennials a buzzword to complain about
I hated my Scott Pilgrim phase, but I hate even more the
>uhh, yeah, well THAT'S controversial
>therefore, I must waste every bit of my vital energy on criticizing and complaining about it
>and I can't stop feeling "triggered"
kind of people.
Scott doesn't even make something lewd with knives on both the movie and the comics when she's under 18. I think knives kisses him, right? He didn't even wanted to do so.
It's still grooming, pedo.
I hate pedos, but scott never did anything wrong. He actually waited until knives was legal in order to do something or imply lewd things. Scott's love for Knives really was very pure from what I remember, and everything I've stated applies to both the movie and the comic.
Plus, you must be a really, really weak person in order to feel influenced and be pushed to do something by any kind of media. Are you projecting, are you this weak? That's why you're so angry?
>grooming
Not every interaction between a person over 18 and a person under 18 is grooming
Gen Z is so unbelievably moronic, I’d love for them to be quarantined from the rest of the internet so i don’t have to see an idiot teenager/developmentally stunted early 20 something’s opinions ever again.
FRICK OFF, AND DIE ALREADY YOU STUPID FRICKING moron troony
>less bad
You mean "better"?
And no, it didnt btw
It's wild how a fandom consensus changes the instant a YouTube video on the matter goes viral.
SHE WAS 17.9999 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FRICK
Will these male feminist nannies be the scapegoat for allowing Right wing "family liberty" movements to grow?
yeah because it's a series that works best in art form. Also it was always meant to be a story about coming of age bs mixed with pop culture references and video game and meta humor. It literally is one of the series that made most of modern creators cringey humor but it was able to do it in a more fun and less cringe way.
In terms of controversy it's insane that were still having idiots get mad at something from 2010 not even that long ago. But yeah wasn't the whole point A they're in Canada B Scott was meant to be a butthole who wasn't self aware of his buttholery. C I wonder how internet girls will react when they realize Ramona was kind of a b***h
If these people get hired, we may see the hays code brought back because of them
eh were already seeing that as these types started in 2012 were just a small blip of schizos and spoiled college kids. now they keep getting reboots and rights to work on stuff. like that one b***h that's working on star wars old republic remake, who hated gta sex mod and said it was rape (Or she may have been the mass effect girl) either way you get my point they are spreading and digging their nails in now.
But luckily or unluckily because of them were having a massive backlash from many others about this stuff being moronic and cringe. I say it's good and bad as we'll slowly make these idiots irrelevant and get back to less sensitive bs but that could effect representation and lgbt series and characters that are actually good because some people actively meme on all of them even if they aren't bad or just schizo headcanons. Look at miles x peni made by latinos because idiot white girls on twitter headcanon'd and ree'd trans gwen and bullied everyone so latinos didn't want to see it and started a ship because they ain't cool with it. It's all a vicious cycle anon, it'll keep fricking these extremist morons over and over
>were having a massive backlash from many others about this stuff being moronic and cringe
Where? In this context, this site does not count, by warrant of its self-containing post culture
i literally put an example anon lol, but yeah tons of people dislike this type of stuff. Shit look at Florida (actually nah i'mma stop before this gets pol-y) but yeah it's happening shit most people dislike a lot of these uptight idiots. I meant massive more in it's a slowly building of people giving them less attention and eyes.
>Shit look at Florida (actually nah i'mma stop before this gets pol-y
You kind of forgot what DeSantis' Stance was.
His views are the same as these male feminists, minus the gay support
>I meant massive more in it's a slowly building of people giving them less attention and eyes.
Just because "slow boiling frog" works on you, doesn't mean it works on them back
>point A they're in Canada
Americans don't care, we rewrite history in our documentaries and impose our values onto your stories regardless of what is culturally acceptable to you because we have the burden of having figured the world out.
I'm so sick of Scott Pilgrim discourse. If I have to hear one more variation of
>Scott is a shitty person
>Ramona and Scott deserve each other
I'm gonna lose my mind.
So aside from this thread angrily frothing at the mouth over a bunch of teens and early 20 year olds, I do agree that it’s bizarre how we’re living closer to a age where villains aren’t allowed to hold harmful beliefs without people assuming shit about the writers. Like being uncomfortable with it and shit? Sure, I don’t care. But telling writers that they aren’t allowed to portray characters as racist or other harmful shit is moronic, especially when said characters are always portrayed in the wrong for that shit.
Like many people have said, Scott is seen as a freak for dating knives. The comic does not try to portray it as a good thing. So why the frick are people still whining and saying it’s promoting that shit?
You answered your own question with the first part of your post
Good heavens forbid a main character isn't a squeaky clean role model
But who's this loud minority you expect to get pushed to the Moon and cause a global denouncing and labelling of this behavior as Anti-Art? Yourself?
Sorry if I sound petty for having no faith in the existence of these mythical opposition figures that are spoken of
Literally everyone judge Scott for dating a 17 year old, plus he's a shitty person. So I'd say it aged very well.
IT'S SAD TO THINK SHE'S SOMEONE'S DAUGHTER
LIKE A LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER
To be fair Today’s 17 year old’s ( hell, today’s 22 year olds) probably have the same emotional maturity as a 13 year old. Still it’s cringe as hell that someone on the verge of 18 is going around calling themselves ‘uwu child’
>this did not age well
It wasn't even good when it came out and that was the point. That's LITERALLY the entite point of Kives and Scott's relationship is that it's fricking creepy and weird. None of his friends really accept their relationship and only go along with it because they don't give a shit and don't really know how to deal with it.
>All these lurking male feminist cartoon reviewers who would more than likely defend the actions of Misc Pot if this was the 1970s
whats an “appropriate” age gap supposed to look like to zoomers? by only dating your own exact age youre vastly shrinking your dating pool.
Dating in general is bad to them.
Zoomers literally canceled a 19 year old for sexting a 17 yearold.
What the frick
Source?
Why the fucj doesn't it even begin with the age of consent?
God damn California was a mistake
>What the frick
>Source?
Some fotm youtuber. Might have been dream
Reminds me of the 17 yo guy who got jail time for trying to befriend a female or the 14 yo guy who had to pay child support for a kid that they proved wasn't even his
Hard start at 18 with exponential growth as you age, likely because zoomers are not old enough to understand the dynamics of dating while older
But it goes something like this
18: 18, 19
19: 18, 19, 20
20: 19,20, 21, 22
21: 20, 21. 22
22: 20, 21, 22, 23
23: 22, 23, 24, 25
24: 23, 24, 25
25: 24, 25, 26-28
26: 25, 26, 27-30
30: 30-35
35: 30-40
40: 30-40, 41-60
Basically its 2-4 year acceptable ranges till you hit 26 in which your basically fine going till 30
30 from 30 its exponential with nobody caring once you hit 40.
It doesn't have much logic to it besides "if you go past that the difference in life experience and potential financial power is to high to have a equal relationship"
Which makes sense in a way, a 40 year old business man who gets a 18 year old wife likely has the finances and authority over her to make her his completely even if she eventually wants out.
But mostly its a kneejerk reaction to stories of 20 something burnout skeeving over highschoolers because they cannot get anyone in their own league.
the range seems inconsistent as frick. if zoomers really followed those numbers they'd be in trouble just because their partner had its birthday.
It's because relationships are expected to be brief and non-commital until you pass the 25 mark.
Did you set these rules?
There are people who marry young and are happy.
There are people who marry young and are unhappy.
There have always been guys an girls who "dated someone from another school" or "a university guy"
Honestly, I'm in my 50's and my gf is in her 30's - is that terrible?
We actually grew up 15 min away from each other but only met in the city I currently live in.
I'll probably be the only poster that doesn't say some incredibly rude shit.
You shouldn't listen to zoomers, most of them are delusional and don't believe they'll ever grow old.
I hope your relationship merits happiness, you should tell your girlfriend a bunch of internet strangers from a mongolian basket weaving forum wish you two well.
Dubs of Truth.
Oh she's here.
Probably not in Cinemaphile but somewhere.
There was this thing some annon started a zillion years ago. Annondate.
I shall never speak of it again.
>youre vastly shrinking your dating pool.
Isn't that what you want? You guys are always complaining about how the internet globalized women's access to the top 20% of men or whatever.
>Isn't that what you want?
It would help if the shaming was a two way street, but it’s usually the guy being blamed for the creepiness.
At the end of the day women are still gonna hook up with guys much older than them because women are attracted to social status.
Okay, seriously, what is it with Zoomers labeling everything as grooming? Is it the hyperbolic nature of the internet rotting their brains? You can think something is inappropriate without jumping to grooming and pedophilia accusations. I’ve seen a generation so desperate to be a victim or something that they have to dilute the severity of a word.
Anyway teenagers need parental locks on their phone or they might accidentally slip and fall into a pedophile.
They’re traumatized, Anon, like SUPER traumatized.
They're sick of right wingers calling them groomers so they think calling the opposition the word is gonna word. Thing is it isn't and just makes their side more annoying and really proving their opposition right.
you got the timeline reversed, tumblr/twitter calling everything groomers was happening before the mainstream right learned it as their new buzzword
If anything they're inadvertently taking the side of the right wingers and convincing the right that their platform has traction
yeah man those gays are proving the opposition right that they're all groomers when they're the ones opposing men in their mid 20s getting with high schoolers. why can't they stop grooming kids into thinking that older men trying to frick them is a bad thing?!
>accidentally
Teen boys and girls want that adult D and P
I think it's kind of the other way around, not that Rightwingers were trying to appropriate it, it's just part of the whole "internet jargon starts using a lot of psychiatry phrases" and groomer was a big one. Lefties started it off like how they started with gaslighting, an old term, then made it mean nothing. Then when it was popular, rightwingers just said "oh I'm going to use that for gays"
I think this is partially due to the "concerned family activist" parents these Gen Z'ers were raised by
>Lefties started it off like how they started with gaslighting, an old term, then made it mean nothing.
No it did mean something to them, it just means "lying to someone". Which is not what gaslighting is but that's not here or there.
It's the culture war at current. Right wingers are mad that left wingers are telling teenagers it's okay to be gay so they'll call them groomers. Left wingers are mad that right wingers commonly consider teenage girls to be peak tradwife age for older men and call them groomers.
Gen z is corny
Scotts a pedo
Everyone in history has lost their virginity to a high schooler half their age. Prove me wrong.
You’re on the website where zero users have ever fricked someone
have a nice day.
I'm a bit confused, doesn't the story bring up that it's a bit odd? And also the fact Scott isn't meant to be seen as a fully good person?
I read Scott Pilgrim when I was far too young to understand it (because the movie had just released with every youtuber gushing about it) and came away pissed off that it wasn't the video game-y shounen-y slamfest I expected.
I "get it" now but I still don't like it. I wish I could go back in time and tell myself to see FLCL instead. I would've loved that damn show.
Also, was Scott Pilgrim responsible for all the new cartoons being mostly about relationship drama? I think that might be more egregious than the art-style thing.
>and came away pissed off that it wasn't the video game-y shounen-y slamfest I expected.
You can play the videogame for that. It's fun
How come people only make fun of ramona for being a bawd when scott is just as bad
Because Ramona's character kind of revolves around her 7 evil exes all with a story of her being some kind of vapid bawd. If you don't read or read deeply into Scott's story it can fly over your head that he's just less Ramona and usually fall into the trap of viewing him through his personal lens of downtrodden nerd where he's really a mooching manprostitute with some surface level nerdy hobbies.
Anyone have the comic panel with the editor's note explaining the "morph ball" is a reference to Metroid?
Do zoomers like anything
It will fail because they overestimate how many people care. Scott Pilgrim was always a poser comic
Isn't it set in Canada, where 16 is legal?
These guys are prophets
>These guys are prophets
Not really. It's not like a bunch of women and saw Ramona in the film and comic and said "omg she's just like me." It's more accurate to say that O'Malley noticed specific trends in 20 something women and modeled Ramona after that. There are real womanchildren just like Ramona who existed before and after Scott Pilgrim. Same with Scott.
Wait I thought the point was that Scott is actually a piece of shit
That's the thing, but liberal degenerate politics are all suffering from the kind of delusional psychosis only a short lifetime spent burning out one's dopamine receptors grants. They are literally incapable of making even a surface level observation of the story based on the content within it. They just skim over it, hence why so much of their media dies soon after it's released: There's no desire to explore the deeper meaning
It'll be as popular as a mildly popular anime. Avatar level popularity if it plays its cards right. Animation will never be fully mainstream, but it can come close.
It'll be really popular for six months and then fall off the face of the earth like everything else marketed towards zoomers
>Animation will never be fully mainstream
Good. I don't want animation to be popular just treated like any other medium instead of kids stuff.Which is happening.
By that logic the school shooter episode in Static Shock also aged poorly just because you don't wanna see it.
That didn't age poorly because it wasn't the literally main character shooting up the school.
Do we like the movie ending or the comic ending better?
idk what this moronic beanmouth shit is.
All i know is that i jerked off to kim pines impregnation porn as a 16 year old loser. im still a loser but at least im not so much a coomer anymore.
Maybe it's time confront how that was a lot less bad in 2010, and ask how and why we're being manipulated into something repressive and puritanical.
It sounded exactly the fricking same in 2010 as it does now. You were just a dumbass kid and didn't get it.
SHE WAS 17 YEARS, 364 DAYS AND 23 HOURS OLD YOU SICK FRICK
Legal in my country, not my problem. You only have to be 18 to be a prostitute.
>watch OP's video expecting a video essay rant
>It's just a light hearted shitpost
Wow I feel like I got fricking baited.
Scott is supposed to be a piece of shit in the series though and dating Knives is a big part of that. Do zoomers not understand that sometimes characters in a work do bad things and that doesn't make the work itself problematic, especially when their bad behavior is explicitly called out?
>homosexual opinion
>sub 10k views
Surely, SURELY this deserves a thread.
>sub 10k views
world's most literate Cinemaphile user
I blame the movie for a lot of people not understanding the point of the story is Scott needing to become a better person, especially since it was written with Scott and Knives getting together at the end.
To be fair, Scott isn't like some super rich guy or a muscular football dude. Him having 4ish years on Knives is really irrelevant. Especially since Scott didn't even bang Knives while they were dating. Pretty sure he was trying to relive his thing with Kim.
My favorite new psyop is "everything under 18, regardless of you place of residence's actual age of consent, is pedophilia.
Lol?
Who?
Cinemaphile has been taken over by my parents. This site is that lame at this point, Jesus Christ.
Look at all this posts talking about the moral fabric of society EVERY DAY because of what Aang and Ketara did back in the nineties or because Scott Pilgrim said something to Knives in a comic from twenty years ago.
"OH KIDS TODAY, OH THE WORLD IN A HANDBASKET. OH ME OH MY. WON'T THE AUTHORITIES DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE KIDS."
Summer vacation was a mistake, pissants like you need to be kept in school as often as possible to break your rebellious spirits in.
I am thirty-five and if I wanted to talk about society's moral standing as much as Cinemaphile does today I'd be a Sunday school teacher with a complex. I refuse to believe anyone under the age of thirty is still posting here, this shit is unbelievable.
I'm 28 and I read SP when i was like 14 and these canadian hipster chucklefricks were still relevant.
I do not both posting about politics, my political opinion or other people's agenda on Cinemaphile or other interactive forums/social media. Hope that helps.
characters are constantly giving scott shit for it and saying how it's fricking weird, because he's supposed to be a c**t
not surprised that twitter freaks hate the best part of scott pilgrim
Why is Scott pilgrim bastardized despite the story framing him as a shifty person when in this movie (with the exact same agegap) its praised?
Yeah, i'm a homosexual and when i read the premise of that movie i thought it was fricked up
>Yeah, i'm a homosexual
Same and I only knew about it because sufjans Stevens made songs for it. Was expecting a cute gay romance but it's just incredibly degenerate.
>mc cheats on hot Italian gf that he knew for years for some random dude he just met
The book is even worse btw
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHE'S 17 YEARS AND 364 DAYS OLD
>Okay she's 18 years and 0 days old you can date her now
I am American and I still will never understand this
>underaged cant decide things for themselves
>le brain develops for 25 years
So these 22yo "children" shouldn't vote, drive, drink, buy arms, or talk to adults? I know some troll here, but knowing that there are people who genuinely believe the whole "25 years of brain development" garbage, I'm not sure if these posts are joking anymore.
There's a bunch of leftists that legitimately argue the consent laws should be raised to 25, globally.
It's incredible, because the whole reason people would usually bring up that fact about your brain is developing was to hint at, and/or say, that you can't make your sole argument merely be that someone's mind isn't fully developed because our brains are still developing: That we mature under stress faster, and actually regress in other cases.
Of course no expected an entire generation of terminally online morons to actually take this belief and push it in the opposite extreme.
I do think it's somewhat funny though because the more they do push this belief the more it produces the opposite effect, half the shit I'm reading in this thread would've never even been mentioned till now.
Some of the “best” comments from the video
>This song is aging like fine wine
>Reddit ruined men and Tumblr ruined women.
>This is unironically the best punk song made after 1979
>Ironically this song would fit perfectly in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World
>Ironically, being alternative is now mainstream, and being traditional is now alternative.
>Netflix: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
>”I'd still hit if i could" is the most brutally honest line in the whole music industry
>That sobering cold shower moment when you realize that things got markedly worse since this song's release.
>The funniest part is that in 2010, 7 exes for a woman in her mid 20s was considered a comically gigantic amount
>You can tell which girls actually read the comic because everyone who read the comic knows how awful of a person Ramona actually ends out being lol
>Now that I'm much older, I realize that all the characters are just awful people and should be avoided at all costs, except the young Asian girl. She's cute still.
>The fact that people are offended by this trash stereotype being made fun of makes me think that it hits too close to home for the majority of women these days
>The people who're annoyed by this thought they were the counter culture and are just annoyed that they've become so common you can write a song that sums up their entire persona.
>The fact that 90% of people in the comments are pissed off about this song and screaming all kinds of slurs at the maker proves this is the REAL punk rock for modern audiences.
The 25yo thing is a myth and the study that brought it up never stated an age at all and they even said there were 8yo girls with more brain maturity than men in their 30s.
If they want to use that study to determine age of consent they are probably going to end up seething at the lowered number
What's with zoomers and some millennials when they hear "dating" or "romantic relationship" they automatically think sex is involved?
It is pretty weird that they can't separate the two considering they're also the generation actively raising a stink about asexuality awareness/acceptance
brain rotted from coom
It's because of casual sex, unironically.
Feminism pushed the movement against "bawd-shaming," and often implies marriage is inherently damaging/abusive.
Remember then sex before marriage used to be a way worse taboo than it is today. Thus when casual sex moved from something that happens but is kept hushed to something everyone does freely and open: Dating someone now means: "I'm fricking this person." instead of "We're each other's significant other."
>so why not make it 25 to drink/smoke/drive/have sex/join the military/work/vote?
It used to be you have to be 21 to vote, but they changed that to 18 because you could join the military at 18.
Victim shaming? You're horrible.
>Victim shaming? You're horrible.
>NOOOO YOU CAN’T CRITICIZE THE VICTIMS WHO SAY MOLESTING KIDS IS OKAY
>NO HECKAROONI WAY!!
kys
Anon, how can you be so cruel to victims?
Didn't feminism tell you otherwise?
>Im 17-23 im a brain dead baby who constantly needs adults to protect me.
>I’m also the moral arbiter of the world and you should take my opinions on life seriously
Would Scott Pilgrim be a better story if Scott matured, stopped being a stupid frick and stayed with Knives after she turned 18? The Movie had an alternate ending where Scott told Ramona to frick off and kept Knives and it seems like a far better ending for the movie Scott. Comic Scott had a different journey but in the comics they at least explained that Scott never liked Ramona he was brainwashed into thinking he did because she kept running through his mind because Gideon used Scott's brain as a hammerspace because it was so empty. So Scott never actually liked Ramona but ended up with her, shit's fricked.
I want to live in Toronto
Why, what makes Canada supposedly better then the US of A
Free Healthcare and all the dogs you can eat *wink
No, part of the maturity is about realizing his attraction to Knives was because she was easy and Knives' maturity was realizing she was naive. They have zero reason to go back to eachother.
Free Healthcare, less gun violence, higher standard of living, better wages, less tipping culture, funnier accent, less americans, fricking Mounties.
They elected a new mayor like last week
No, you really REALLY don't. It's a crime-infested shithole, it's the Detroit of Canada.
Totonto was a cool place to live in the early 2000s but since then the entire city has decayed into a stratified mess split between rich Chinese Businessmen and their heirs who buy up property as a money sink because of the 3 Properties Max rule in China, and the actual inhabitants which are forced more and more into the margins on account of getting crowded out of their own city.
Also every place iconic to Toronto in SP except the CN Tower has been bulldozed.
In the vast majority of states (and countries) it's perfectly legal to frick 17 year olds
scott pilgrim was always dogshit LEGAMER comedy for self inserters
if something the movie did more with the property than the virgin Graphic novel , incel tier
the game is great
>gen z
>beating meat with gwen porn even after 25
Doesn't look aged like milk from the perspective of gen z
Do people not understand that the relationship is framed directly as being negative and that everyone gives Scott shit for it?
What the everliving FRICK was going on with this goddamn thread that there are unironic moralgays here that also do not understand that fiction is fiction and not real and you shouldn't have a fricking heart attack over some characters that are not real. What the FRICK. Are you off your meds or what the FRICK.