No, if anything they are even worse. Even the force awakens, which set up the plot for the sequels was shut cause it had no world building. They had the entire heir to the empire storyline at their feet and chose this bullshit. It’s kinda amazing how badly they fricked up. Rain and jj should never be allowed to direct again.
Someone let them play fricking Scattergories with the arguable most valuable IP in cinematic history. That will never stop being fricking mind-boggling to me.
No. This has been discussed to death and there's 3 reasons >they don't have unique worldbuilding, the galaxy in the ST is just a lazy rehash of the OT but worse >there's zero extended media that redeems the ST or indoctrinates kids into liking it the way Clone Wars did for prequels >they're just shitty movies with zero care for themes or consistency or character work - which are things that matter a lot for stories that want to age well
Rian wanted Luke's downfall to be akin to Paul's in Dune Messiah/Children of Dune. Problem is, Rian is a hack who can't write for shit and it needed more than just a moronic ass collection of lying narrator flashbacks to succeed in ruining a signal of hope that Luke was.
But you're 100% right. I haven't a clue what the stakes of the galaxy are because it's inconsistent. No sense of scale. Could go on.
And now they scrambled to save this shit show with their in-between-quel web shows and that homosexual Filoni pilfering from Heir to the Empire shoving in all his OCDonutSteels to continue shitting on the OT cast. Yet the numbers show that people don't give a shit anymore.
why not adapt Shadows of the Empire? it was a whole media event spanning books/ comics/ video games, each from a different perspective which lends itself to tv extremely well. they wouldn't have to depend on these people for stories. its comical how they insist they know better. you could even have Xizor be the one running cloning operations and tie it all up
The idea you just described is what was once called having talent, doing some planning and led with strong leadership. Which Hollywood. No just about all of media and the corporate world is woefully lacking anymore. A bunch of ideologs with victimhood complexes filled with hubris doing exactly as you said, insisting and believing they know better. Like Dr. Malcolm said in Jurassic Park, >“You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and, before you even knew what you had, you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox.”
Just mad-lib the nouns and it fits perfectly with our current situation.
if they showed it, it wouldn't be a bad way to tie it in. they should show whatever that sith planet is he made the ships. something like that could be interesting. or cool at the very least, i don't know if its in other media, but a sith planet sounds metal and fun. star wars should be at least a little fun
I think they sorta did in a comic, they had Vader go there and see the star destroyer mass assembly line. Which also explains why he had a map to it. I just read that in passing, I've given up on the IP. It's irredeemable for me now.
its funny you bring up the IP being dead to you now, i've never been real invested since i was a kid, but i'm now pretty fascinated by the incompetence of it all. imagine making a purchase like star wars and just fricking it up in unpredictable ways, and not being able to see any way to fix it, even though the pieces are there.
It's crazy that Luke's downfall in Last Jedi could be at vastly improved by just a few changes. Maybe instead of Luke almost killing Kylo because he got a bad vibe, how about Luke awakes to see his temple and all his students being burned down while Kylo watches, then he gets mad and thinks about killing him. It would actually justify that emotional response for both him and the audience. And also maybe portray Luke as a sad and broken man instead of a pathetic loser who drinks green alien milk like a hobo.
It was done maliciously and with intent. They weren't happy that Luke being anywhere in TFA outside of being mentioned and showing up as a stinger at the end, upstaged the new cast. Then shit on as hard as possible when it was supposed to be "his movie". Just like why there aren't any fricking force ghosts anywhere, but Obi-wan whispers to Rey randomly in TFA but never again until the end.....? Inconsistent from top to bottom.
Know what else would have easily broken Luke? Having Mara Jade (or an OC wife) die in the temple assault and much like in the EU have her purposefully not become one with the force leaving him stuck alone. That would fricking break me.
in theory i think they could make enough side content to make the 3rd movie make sense, and then you'd watch them in a certain order and they could be all right. but they aren't even making anything in that timeframe, its all stuff from OT times it seems, so even they don't want to try to make it coherent. if they were smart they could have the yoda clone be related somehow with the palpatine clone so we could learn wtf happened.
without additional material i don't think there's any way they become good.
I thought they were setting up the Palpatine clones in Mandalorian when Gus from Breaking Bad had those vats of some creature he was creating and needed baby yoda for the cloning process. But I guess that just amounted to nothing.
maybe they'll get back to it. i dont remember if they wrapped it up, but it would seem insane for those to be separate issues entirely. not that i'd be shocked if it was, but there's gotta be someone working on this that notices they can make that work somehow.
but they probably have some corporate hierarchy that says movies can effect shows, but not vise versa
I think they wrapped that up at the end of Mando S3. Gus was making clones of himself and he felt his only weakness was not being force sensitive. Thus injecting his clones with Yeed sauce. I'm sure they'll just handwave and use that as the prototyping for Palp's clones.
if they showed it, it wouldn't be a bad way to tie it in. they should show whatever that sith planet is he made the ships. something like that could be interesting. or cool at the very least, i don't know if its in other media, but a sith planet sounds metal and fun. star wars should be at least a little fun
Matt Smith was cast for an undisclosed role that ultimately ended up being taken out of the film, there was a lot of speculation he was either playing a young Palpatine in a flashback or a younger looking clone of Palpatine.
No.
Frick off.
Maybe Last Jedi since there's some actual themes and ideas in that movie. The other 2 are the most soulless shit ever.
No. They'll be seen as the the three movies that destroyed Star Wars.
No, if anything they are even worse. Even the force awakens, which set up the plot for the sequels was shut cause it had no world building. They had the entire heir to the empire storyline at their feet and chose this bullshit. It’s kinda amazing how badly they fricked up. Rain and jj should never be allowed to direct again.
Someone let them play fricking Scattergories with the arguable most valuable IP in cinematic history. That will never stop being fricking mind-boggling to me.
No. This has been discussed to death and there's 3 reasons
>they don't have unique worldbuilding, the galaxy in the ST is just a lazy rehash of the OT but worse
>there's zero extended media that redeems the ST or indoctrinates kids into liking it the way Clone Wars did for prequels
>they're just shitty movies with zero care for themes or consistency or character work - which are things that matter a lot for stories that want to age well
Rian wanted Luke's downfall to be akin to Paul's in Dune Messiah/Children of Dune. Problem is, Rian is a hack who can't write for shit and it needed more than just a moronic ass collection of lying narrator flashbacks to succeed in ruining a signal of hope that Luke was.
But you're 100% right. I haven't a clue what the stakes of the galaxy are because it's inconsistent. No sense of scale. Could go on.
And now they scrambled to save this shit show with their in-between-quel web shows and that homosexual Filoni pilfering from Heir to the Empire shoving in all his OCDonutSteels to continue shitting on the OT cast. Yet the numbers show that people don't give a shit anymore.
why not adapt Shadows of the Empire? it was a whole media event spanning books/ comics/ video games, each from a different perspective which lends itself to tv extremely well. they wouldn't have to depend on these people for stories. its comical how they insist they know better. you could even have Xizor be the one running cloning operations and tie it all up
The idea you just described is what was once called having talent, doing some planning and led with strong leadership. Which Hollywood. No just about all of media and the corporate world is woefully lacking anymore. A bunch of ideologs with victimhood complexes filled with hubris doing exactly as you said, insisting and believing they know better. Like Dr. Malcolm said in Jurassic Park,
>“You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could and, before you even knew what you had, you patented it and packaged it and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox.”
Just mad-lib the nouns and it fits perfectly with our current situation.
I think they sorta did in a comic, they had Vader go there and see the star destroyer mass assembly line. Which also explains why he had a map to it. I just read that in passing, I've given up on the IP. It's irredeemable for me now.
its funny you bring up the IP being dead to you now, i've never been real invested since i was a kid, but i'm now pretty fascinated by the incompetence of it all. imagine making a purchase like star wars and just fricking it up in unpredictable ways, and not being able to see any way to fix it, even though the pieces are there.
reminds me of chief wiggum "Dig up, stupid!"
It's crazy that Luke's downfall in Last Jedi could be at vastly improved by just a few changes. Maybe instead of Luke almost killing Kylo because he got a bad vibe, how about Luke awakes to see his temple and all his students being burned down while Kylo watches, then he gets mad and thinks about killing him. It would actually justify that emotional response for both him and the audience. And also maybe portray Luke as a sad and broken man instead of a pathetic loser who drinks green alien milk like a hobo.
It was done maliciously and with intent. They weren't happy that Luke being anywhere in TFA outside of being mentioned and showing up as a stinger at the end, upstaged the new cast. Then shit on as hard as possible when it was supposed to be "his movie". Just like why there aren't any fricking force ghosts anywhere, but Obi-wan whispers to Rey randomly in TFA but never again until the end.....? Inconsistent from top to bottom.
Know what else would have easily broken Luke? Having Mara Jade (or an OC wife) die in the temple assault and much like in the EU have her purposefully not become one with the force leaving him stuck alone. That would fricking break me.
in theory i think they could make enough side content to make the 3rd movie make sense, and then you'd watch them in a certain order and they could be all right. but they aren't even making anything in that timeframe, its all stuff from OT times it seems, so even they don't want to try to make it coherent. if they were smart they could have the yoda clone be related somehow with the palpatine clone so we could learn wtf happened.
without additional material i don't think there's any way they become good.
I thought they were setting up the Palpatine clones in Mandalorian when Gus from Breaking Bad had those vats of some creature he was creating and needed baby yoda for the cloning process. But I guess that just amounted to nothing.
maybe they'll get back to it. i dont remember if they wrapped it up, but it would seem insane for those to be separate issues entirely. not that i'd be shocked if it was, but there's gotta be someone working on this that notices they can make that work somehow.
but they probably have some corporate hierarchy that says movies can effect shows, but not vise versa
I think they wrapped that up at the end of Mando S3. Gus was making clones of himself and he felt his only weakness was not being force sensitive. Thus injecting his clones with Yeed sauce. I'm sure they'll just handwave and use that as the prototyping for Palp's clones.
if they showed it, it wouldn't be a bad way to tie it in. they should show whatever that sith planet is he made the ships. something like that could be interesting. or cool at the very least, i don't know if its in other media, but a sith planet sounds metal and fun. star wars should be at least a little fun
Matt Smith was cast for an undisclosed role that ultimately ended up being taken out of the film, there was a lot of speculation he was either playing a young Palpatine in a flashback or a younger looking clone of Palpatine.
Definitely. Give it a decade or so.
Generation alpha will start liking it just to piss zoomers off
Eating a turd sandwich is "Hey lil donnie" tier trolling.
It would require an EVEN SHITIER set of sequels to make them look amazing in comparison. So If yidsney keeps making these dumpster fires its possible
well it worked for the prequels, they were pieces of shit when i was growing up but suddenly TFA comes out and they're "underappreciated"
New Jedi Order film, coming to a theater near you in 2026!
No. Outside the internet during those time, the prequels were loved and had many shows, cartoons + toys being sold.
No. It's an entirely different situation from the PT.
Both were hated, but for different reasons.
No. They're bland and soulless garbage that no one will even remember.