Does anybody else feel like this is the messiest film of Disney yet? I mean like they're forcing too many concepts in order too earn diversity and continuity points at the same time.
They say it's set in moorish Spain. Is the heroine supposed to be one of the moors? Why does she look like a Hollywood black girl? Is she who transformed into the wishing star of past Disney films? What the hell Disney?
It will be a box office failure, I don't know anyone who really wants to see it or is excited about the premiere.
WISH
disney would get back to making decent content and not this woke crap.
how many billions do they have to lose before this happen?
In a short time, they are considering selling parts of the current company.
were they that successful that it's taking this many failures for these sales to start happening?
Still looks more polished than Strange World
The diversity part doesn't bother me since I grew up watching Disney movies with non-white princesses from cultures I knew frickall about
The issue is that it looks ridiculously bland and generic. That said, people said the same about Tangled and it turned out decent so no way to tell until it comes out
The problem is the choose moorish Spain as setting. Like they were trying to please hispanic, arab and black quotas at the same time making of the whole thing a mess.
Do you believe the general public knows enough history to find issue with that? A large chunk probably believes Moors = Sub-Saharans, while a larger chunk has no idea who the Moors were to begin with
>The problem is the choose moorish Spain as setting.
No, they didn't. They choose Moorish Spain as an inspiration for the fictional Kingdom of Rosas. It's not set in any actual historical place.
Why is that a problem? What's wrong with choosing it over any other area?
>Does anybody else feel like this is the messiest film of Disney yet?
They've released so little info about it that IDK how you could reach that conclusion.
>They say it's set in moorish Spain. Is the heroine supposed to be one of the moors? Why does she look like a Hollywood black girl?
All of Disney's heroines look like Hollywood girls with little care given to the time period their move is set in/based on except maybe Mirabel, who is probably the closest Disney will get to having a frumpy protagonist.
>They've released so little info about it that IDK how you could reach that conclusion.
That's the problem. Disney has released so little on the movie when it is going to be released in a little over two months from now. I bet Jennifer Lee is terrible at time management and all the animators are working 12 hours days to get Wish out on time. Either that or Disney doesn't want to waste money marketing it because the princess is queer and one of her friends is enby.
>According to Disney themselves, is the strongest villain of the entire Disney Animation film catalogue
>Canonical mogs almost all of the Disney villains via his Wish-Stealing Hax
Bow to your new KING!!!
Chernobog would eat him for breakfast
*Rings church bell*
Made me imagine a version of that Hilda meme where it's just him standing in front of the defeated bodies of powerhouses like Maleficent and Jafar
>the strongest villain of the entire Disney Animation film catalogue
I hate modern marketing
Wouldn’t a Hollywood black girl look like April O’Neil from Mutant Mayhem?
No, keyword Hollywood
Do Moors really look like African-Americans?
Better question, What’s a Moor?
No seriously, my old World History Teacher never mentioned them.
moors are north africans/middle eastern/mediterrianians that conquered most of europe for like a thousand years, leading it into the renaissance. math, science, literature, archetecture, is all because of their influence. they were all muslims as well
you can take a single guess as to why you weren't taught about this massive chunk of european history lol
tho because they mingled so much with europeans, everyone around the mediterrianian- the french, spanish, greek, italian, etc, often have dark and curly hair with sometimes tanned skin, that's because of the moors
their history is OUR history, and yet for some reason none of us learn about it and have just divided ourselves for no reason lol... makes no sense
>they were all muslims as well
>their history is OUR history
Which one is it?
both. I'm not muslim, but for a lot of us of european descent with dark curly hair and so on, we owe a lot of our history to that
spain is one of the few countries that can acknowledge it, at least. Everyone else has tried hard to scrub it from their history... pathetic.
oh no, they lost a few miles of territory over a literal millenia as their culture became the literal amalgamate with everything else around it! lol
If you go to some places in france and spain, particularly in the south, you still see beautiful places that kept that aesthetic
>but for a lot of us of european descent with dark curly hair and so on, we owe a lot of our history to that
>spain is one of the few countries that can acknowledge it, at least. Everyone else has tried hard to scrub it from their history... pathetic.
See, this is where you trip up. The influence of the moors can be seen in the way some spaniards look today, dark, curly hair and such, right? You imply that the moors conquered most of europe - wouldn't their influence also be seen in the people of those countries today? French, English, Irish, Germanic, Scandinavian, even today they tend to be pretty fair-skinned. So where's the mark of moorish conquest in those countries?
>conquered most of europe for like a thousand years
They conquered most of Spain and it was for 781 years.
The 700 years thing sounds impressive on paper until you realize the Moors were losing territory gradually but consistently over those years. They were never able to take the entirety of the Iberian Peninsula and they only held most of it for a few decades before they started losing ground.
>moors are north africans/middle eastern/mediterrianians that conquered most of europe for like a thousand years, leading it into the renaissance. math, science, literature, archetecture, is all because of their influence. they were all muslims as well
This is like two steps removed from Yakub bullshit
There's a grain of truth in it. Medieval Islamic society WAS more scientifically advanced than medieval European society and part of the reason for the Renaissance was the spread of knowledge and ideas from Islamic countries through routes like the Silk Road. Though post Renaissance Islamic countries started regressing while European countries took the stage
Also worth noting that the Ottoman empire, the largest Muslim empire, was effectively controlled by Eastern Europeans by the 1600s whom janissaries taken as slaves as children by the ottomans from their eastern European territories like Romania
Yes, and we know this from contemporary sources like Shakespeare's Othello, where Othello is a moor and explicitly stated in the text to have black skin.
"moor" originally meant inhabitant of Mauretania. In the Islamic Spain/Andalus sense, its a catch all term used to describe the muslims of spain. These were primarily five groups, the first two being arabs and berbers, neither of whom at their darkest are as black as african-americans. Now the third group is the smallest and they are the non-arab and non-berber non-iberian muslims and these were people from all over the Islamic world. One could argue that a large number of these were blacks from western africa since it was very close by, and so a tiny minority of moors would look like african-americans. The last two groups were the celtiberian and visigoth converts to Islam, both of whom are white european groups.
So no, the moors did not really look like africa-americans for the most part.
The animation looks like shit.
i wish.. for good movies...
You and me too buddy…
Seriously this is starting to get so tiresome
Don’t worry Anon
I’ll make the best animated movie THAT’S EVER EXISTED
The frick is this, haven’t even seen a single piece of advertising, is disney really in such a bad state they can’t get me to recognise their new film What’s it about?
>What’s it about?
a guy gives you wishes in exchange for giving him your wish, yeah, it's stupid.
so like a merchant? A barterer?
>so like a merchant? A barterer?
yes.
Is the movie going to be anti-Catholic?
I hope so.
Consider the villain, most definitely
>77 minutes before credits
>7 full length songs plus 2 reprises confirmed
If even one song is a hit, this movie will be a cultural phenomenon. They're clearly banking on the songs being the main draw with this approach.
Why is she just Moanna with freckles
Your typical moor looked like this. Disney just wanted the brownie points for having a "diverse" lead
It's not really their fault since Europeans have been generalizing Moors as just black for centuries
Like Morgan Freeman in Robin Hood
Not really. I haven't heard about it getting a significant rewrite yet, so it's not as messy as Kingdom of the Sun, Brave, or Frozen. We haven't seen a character get radically changed like Bastion to Flynn in Tangled, either.
If you wanna just throw a fit about dark skinned people that's cool but messy? Nah.
It's the matter that there's been very little released regarding it. You'd think Disney would be revving up what should be their return-to-form princess musical & 100th-anniversary flagship project by now. I honestly think Disney doesn't have faith in this project either.
I got a feeling that this movie could be an even bigger bomb than Strange World. Like, another Black Cauldron box office bomb tier frick up.
I'm not kidding, nobody I know IRL is even interested in seeing it and a lot of them are normies with kids that like Frozen. Unless Disney can kickstart another renaissance era and get their shit together, then the company is in trouble. Why they didn't do traditional 2D animation for their 100th anniversary is fricking baffling.
It's like they think having a black protagonist is going to make up for it looking like one of those CG kids movies you see at the grocery store movie rack
It looks generic as frick and has a generic as frick title. What is there to get excited about? That the villian has the highest power level of any Disney villain ever no really you guys he's SO STRONG?
idk, people didn't give a shit about encanto initially but people didn't shut tf up about it once it dropped.
Wish has to have its own "Let it Go" or "We don't talk about Bruno" tier song to get people talking about it honestly.
This shit releases in 2 months and it feels I'm barely hearing any buzz about it. Dios mio.
Unless it has banger songs, it's probably gonna be meh that people wait for Disney+ for.
I get the feeling the songs won't be from the golden era of Disney, but because she's "blackish", we're gonna get rap hybrids.
I'm going to go see it in theatre. I hope its good.