Wish has a $200,000,000 production budget, not counting marketing
This is Disney's 100th anniversary film. Can they afford for another Elemental/Indiana Jones/Ant-Man/Little Mermaid level bomb?
Wish has a $200,000,000 production budget, not counting marketing. This is Disney's 100th anniversary film.
Indiana jones came out?
It comes out in a week and it's tracking to be a bigger bomb than Elemental
how so? test audience reaction?
Pre release ticket sales are a very strong indicator of opening weekend performance. Walk up volume is generally predictable when compared to it.
Does it still have that dumb twist where Indy is retgoned?
Allegedly, they cut that scene and the ending scene where girl Indie recreates all of Indy's iconic scenes.
>girl Indy
But of course
Black girl, too.
your a moron if you believed that
We're in a post-Poe's Law world with those kinds of things.
That leak had the "Dial of Destiny" title days before the official announcement, anon. It's legit.
John Williams and Harrison Ford confirmed in interviews they responded the ending after the doomwiener leak and Iger saw the film and demanded a new ending.
The movie end with Helena fleabag punching out indy then he wakes up in his apartment with marion.
Punches out an 80 year old man.
Elder abuse is ok when ~~*we*~~ do it.
No, but he still gets punched out by his god-daughter.
Why does she hit him?
The new ending is Indy getting patched up (NOT eye patched) in a hospital and Marion comes to see him.
Girlboss fleabag condescending to a beloved male hero for 2 hours kills box office projections. She is so ugly and unlikable.
>girlboss
I didn't to read more, that's an automatic failure
> bigger bomb than Elemental
Now that's pushing it. Even if it's been panned at Cannes and is guaranteed to flop, it has the advantage of brand recognition.
It also cost a hundred million more to make
Elemental had the Pixar name, which is just about as powerful as the WDAS name. They're definitely going to be advertising this movie is from the same directors and writer of Frozen.
Because Jennifer Lee is moronic. She is trying to give a canonical reason as to why the animals in Disney films talk. What she doesn't realize is that only Cinderella could talk to mice, Ariel was part fish, Iago was literally a parrot, and Tiana was temporarily a frog. Other than those animals don't talk except maybe to other animals.
Oh for fricks sake....can people just let certain things be as they are.
>She is trying to give a canonical reason as to why the animals in Disney films talk
Are they going to go the Scooby Doo route and say it was aliens?
The entire thing is about the wishing star, so yes.
Indiana Jone's brand was damaged with Crystal Skull. So the new movie is coming out with shaky faith and worse everyone knows of the feminist c**t who is making this new film.
I've seen reviews that say "We didn't know how good we had it with Crystal Skull".
Nobody cares about Indiana Jones anymore, especially zoomers who think (rightfully so) that it's a franchise for your grandpa, also it doesn't help that Disney already has a bad reputation in managing Lucasfilm IPs after what they did to Star Wars so no even Indy fans trust them
my nephew LOVED indiana jones when he watched it, but then again, it's because his gen x dad showed him, kids don't easily "stumble" upon indiana jones
It's going to attract the boomer audience that refuses to use "that damn Internetflix" stealing their credit card information to China. Boomers love watching a geriatric old white man whipping minorities.
Indie's goddaughter constantly criticizes capitalism and how white men like Indie steal everything.
>Boomers love watching a geriatric old white man whipping minorities.
Even if it does an okay opening it's going to TANK in week 2 after people realize what it does to Indy.
Genuinely I don't know how execs don't see the difference in legs and audience reactions to Spider-Man vs Terminator, TLJ, Ghostbusters 2016, too many damn examples to make, and think maybe they should switch strategies.
Indie will make more than Elemental but it probably cost more to make and probably got a frickton more marketing.
They've done Flash level reshoots with that damn thing and it's YEARS behind its release window regardless of Covid.
Indy 5 is fricked even if it had hopes of being decent.
It could literally be two hours of HD footage of Harrison Ford taking a dump and it would make more than Elemental solely off the Indie name. They know this and probably have spent way more on marketing, which with the baloonned reshoots budget means they might take a bigger loss when all is said and done.
Honestly it's shocking how almost every movie is flopping tremendously right now. The ridiculously high budgets of these movies has a lot to do with it.
Who the frick thought it's a good idea having a God damn 90 year old geriatric Indy movie was a good idea?
There's another Indy film?
Have they done ANY marketing?
Of course they can afford it. They have enough money for nothing but bombs for the next 20 years without their stock falling.
No it didn't. OP is making shit up.
Unironically this.
Their stock is falling right now.
I only want it to bomb so Disney can suffer.
How many bombs until they stop pushing out shit?
Enough for them to do a REAL second Rennaisance.
Tarzan to Tangled was about 10 years
Never heard of it, sounds awful.
And it looks like a Sophia the first TV show. Another non-movie that'll be forgotten in 24 hours.
Will they ever go back to the G rating and transition to a newer style like what Pixar and Dreamworks did
Probably not anytime soon
They'd need new blood, I can't stress how bad it is that the metaphorical inmates are running the asylum at the moment over at the mouse. It's either they start hitting up unused scripts and concepts written in the glory, like I'm certain that they could either try and tackle some wild west/greek mythology/ fairy tales/classic literature that haven't been adapted yet (I know that there was talk of The Nightingale getting adapted in the 1970s that never got off the ground, they could do it if they wanted given that it's set in China) or they could pick some older books for teens that were popular awhile ago (My Teacher Is an Alien and the like) and could have a good run of material for D+. However, this would require the people running the show actually wanting to make new things instead of rely on existing properties.
Rapunzel looking ass.
Rapunzel is hot, THOUGH
get your cringey ass int meme out of here
Yea it is using the paint "filter” technique they wanted to use on Tangled but didn't have the computer muscle to pull off then.
>have fantastic new CGI tech
>use it on an ugly mulatto in a bland plot
Grim.
>Stole her gown.
Is there a message here?
Probably…but considering how this is going to be the peak of their 100th anniversary celebration, it would look VERY bad for them if it bombs in any sort of capacity…
Wish isn't out until the holiday season right? What competition does it have?
If there's not much against it maybe it can do well but that didn't help Encanto and the summary of the first twenty minutes sounds rough so I could see it doing poorly in theaters (maybe do well on streaming).
If you're just referring to animated films, Trolls Band Together and Migration
I didn't even realize another Trolls movie was coming out. I can definitely see that getting more kids into the theater - Wish might end up following Encanto's path (flop at BO but success on streaming).
Trolls also has I think all of Justin's old bros coming to voice his bros in the movie.
Honestly World Tour was great so I have hopes for 3.
Still won't get to see it till streaming (2 1/2 yr old, no where near theater ready)
toys from the movie are already at discount stores for not even half the price of their original.
also how the frick are they gonna make 100 million off it on D+? It's a $14 a month site that for the most part streams toddler shows and movies so parents don't have to play with their kids. Kids are going to pick the original over live action.
>Wish has a $200,000,000 production budget, not counting marketing
Hmm. I learned about existence of Wish from this thread.
They should go back to 2D animation, or better yet Cel-animation. Maybe have some VFX in there like in Tarzan or Beauty and the Beast or something, But going full 3D-Animation was a Mistake, they should've Stayed with 2D and leave the 3D stuff to Pixar
Shrek and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.
2D sure.
Cel however is dead and will never come back.
is this hand drawn animation or another cg fest
The latter
>Wish has a $200,000,000 production budget, not counting marketing
Is there a source for that? It doesn't look very impressive
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/flash-elemental-flops-send-red-130000792.html
>But recent animated hits like “Mario” and “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse” have wowed audiences with their visuals, taking away the edge Pixar once had. With Walt Disney Animation Studios’ upcoming Thanksgiving animated movie “Wish” also with a $200 million budget and Pixar’s 2024 original film “Elio” likely to do the same, both of Disney’s animation houses may have to face the prospect of belt-tightening if these films continue to struggle theatrically, even given Disney’s ability to turn their films into fountains of merchandising revenue.
Wow.
>even given Disney’s ability to turn their films into fountains of merchandising revenue
Even that isn't as reliable as it used to be
disney flooded the market with too much stuff and they really doubled down on making their product ultra expensive while also treating their movies like streaming fodder.
what the hell did they think would happen? There was a time Disney was a master of managing trends and predicting them, but now it feels like everyone surpassed them and they are lagging behind
Reminder that it was more than 10 years between Snow White (1937) and the next Princess movie Cinderella (1950).
Then almost another decade to Sleeping Beauty (1959)
Holy shit, what is Disney doing
And they will learn nothing from any of those failures.
They're doing it on purpose. Its about destroying anything America was proud of and using the libs to do it.
>200mil
>Barely looks better than a Sofia the First episode
Jesus did they use the same animation program that coomers use on boobs for the noses?
>clearly european setting
>more blacks than whites
I want an Asian setting with this much diversity just to see the shitstorm that follows.
It makes it seem like one of those cheap medieval-set tv soap operas instead of a believable, immersive world. That kind of mixture is too associated with modern-day cities and America.
Disney Exect: Quickly! How can we get our audiences back from Sony/Illumination?
Other Exect: MOAR MONEY! PUT MORE MONEY IN IT!
This is a D+ thing right?
Theatrical release
I'd be more interested in a movie about the two on the right than the one on the left
Princesses should be super pretty not an attempt to just look like some normal person
I know black goth chicks are hot but what does that image have to do with anything?
That looks great.
Why does it have a Luma?
Her dress looks like a giant foot...
You fricking bastard now Im never gonna unsee it
Yet another diversity princess- this time in a European castle
I see it now, too.
Footgays fricking won.
>100th anniversary flagship for most famous animation studio in the world
>Still can't be assed to do the same hand-drawn animation that made them famous
Sad.
Why does a Medieval Spanish princess look like a mulatto?
Because the medieval Spanish got blacked by Arabs and Disney execs can't tell the difference between North and south Africa.
Sun exposure can magically make you darker
Does it also make your nose wide and your hair nappy?
>black woman
Pass.
Gotta say I'm not impressed with the painted aesthetic. Looks cheap, flat and dull like a TV series or direct-to-DVD release
Probably because it looks like a filter and both Paperman and Spiderverse did it better
I appreciate the attempt to make a painted look, but something about it looks off. In motion, it looks like a filter on top of 3D models. I'm not technical enough to think of a solution or why it looks off.
Are they trying to do the whole Spiderverse/Puss in Boots aesthetic? Because it looks off
Disney has been developing this style for a while now. It was originally intended for Tangled, they mastered it with "Paperman" and "Feast", but Wish just looks like Sofia the First with a 50m budget. The style isn't complementing the setting or story.
Should have gone medeval inspired artstyle instead of globohomosexual diverse American Renaissance Fair inspired
It's just so bland-looking.
Worst part is last week Lee said the movie was 50% complete. I think she/they are going to make the animators pull all-nighters again to get Wish out on time.
Here's hoping a studio fire destroys it in dramatic irony and the animators strike
>medeval inspired artstyle
That would be far too interesting for woke hollywood, even in 3d
>globohomosexual diverse American Renaissance Fair inspired
This is exactly what it is. It feels like a lame ren fair.
They already did that withe Sleeping Beauty
at least the animation looks good. its uncanily similar to 2d which is weird
How did Isabella get her own movie, bros?
>Can they afford another flop?
The answer is yes because the person ~~*funding*~~ them have unlimited money
no they don't cope
>Disney
>Spend assloads of money on animated movies
>Don't market them for some reason
I completely forgot about Elemental, and had no idea they even made an Indiana Jones movie
I genuinely see frick all advertising for Disney or Pixar films even when watching kids' entertainment and taking kids places and only learn about them from Cinemaphile. I know they're advertising them somewhere but I remember when I wasn't ever watching kids' entertainment or much of anything really and would still somehow see a ton of marketing for each film. It feels different.
I don't doubt the films are also bad I just also don't see marketing for them.
Elemental at least looked decent on a purely techincal visual level. Wish looks generic AND ugly.
Disney can afford a lot of bombs, and I have a feeling this will bomb too. Migration actually looks fun and Trolls is a sequel, so this could be a very ugly bomb. The princess isn't pretty enough and the music is gonna be awful.
>look up who's making the songs for Wish
Yikes
95% is b-side songs to fill up albums
Seriously, look up the song leaked for Wish. It's generic af
Aw man I was just thinking that maybe this'll be like Encanto where the songs saved the movie's poor designs
Disney is too lazy to make original music so they have to make the movie have pop music.
Mario movie and Illumination ruined a generation of animated movies.
New to movies?
>Can they afford
Yes
Has a Disney Princess musical ever bombed before?
Sleeping Beauty was a box office failure when it first released.
Princess and the Frog lmao
That was because it was deliberately set up to fail.
PatF didn't fail despite that Cinemaphile meme image
>Kills 2D Disney
FALSE, Winnie the Pooh was sent out to die up against Harry Potter 7-2 with the implicit intention of killing 2D Disney
Treasure Planet and Princess and the Frog killed it. It was already dead when Winnie the Pooh released.
wildly inaccurate
>string of 2D flops after Tarzan culminating in the horrific bomb that was Home on the Range
>this is mostly down to a failed attempt at a demographic shift to Star Wars-age boys
>Home on the Range's failure leads to the 2D studio being put on pause for several years
>put a couple financially successful but critically lukewarm 3D movies
>people ask them to make 2D movies again because who the frick asked for fricking Bolt
>make PATF as their "triumphant return" to 2D princess movies
>underperforms Disney's expectations but ultimately turns a decent profit and outearns every other 2000s era 2D film AND Meet the Robinsons
>Tangled comes out and does very well
>these two movies make Disney realize the problem wasn't 2D vs. 3D (although 3D is still generally more successful than 2D), it was trying to make Dreamworks movies instead of Disney movies
>Winnie the Pooh is shuffled out the door alongside HP 7-2, predictably does terribly and is used as an excuse that 2D theatrical animation is no longer profitable, 2D animation shuttered permanently
>underperforms Disney's expectations
It was going against Avatar. What the frick was Disney expecting?
honestly the fact that PATF did as well as it did releasing literally the day after Avatar is impressive in itself
Depends what type of movie it is. I think it will do well with the little competition it's gonna have and the brand recognition. Not as much money as Frozen, but enough to be a moderate success.
That said, if they are adding cameos from their properties from the past, then expect that number to go up.
>spend 200m dollars to copy the style of puss in boots TLW and spiderverse
>it somehow looks more cheap than those two
if my nieces aren't talking about it
it's gonna bomb
>The Goat Talks
One of the things Encanto got right was not having the animals yapping wtf couldn't Wish do the same?
Little Mermaid is inching its way towards the breakeven point; it's not a success but it's not doing anywhere near as badly as early predictions thought it would.
It won't even be the worst performing live action remake since it will likely pass the second Maleficient film which had a budget in the same neighborhood.
With a budget of 250 million and 140 million marketing means it needs to make at least 780 million to break even.
Some say 560 million is break even, but that's assuming a bunch of ancillary sales and streaming rights licensing that's just cope.
$140 million marketing is extremely unlikely and, since I'm not seeing a specific source for that amount, is likely based on people extrapolating from the budget based on some outdated notions about how marketing for motion pictures works.
The old rule of thumb for marketing being half to roughly the same as the production budget doesn't take into account the collapse in advertising costs over the past few years. Sure, Super Bowl ads are still outrageous but that's thr exception and not the rule.
Plus there's the simple fact that a lot of advertising money spent for a film by a company like Disney is really just being shifted around internally. Like Disney paying for advertising on ABC.
Again, it's not a success but calling it a bomb is stretching things. It's not a Lone Ranger or John Carter disaster by any stretch of the imagination. Especially since those came before the decline in advertising costs.
That's what being reported by some sites. There's also reports of a special 80-million dollar ad campaign and people aren't sure if that's additional to the 140 million or part of it.
>Disney is really just being shifted around internally
The problem with that is the movement of money, even when imaginary, gets taxed.
But Black Little Mermaid did something worse it further damaged the trust and good faith customers have in the Disney brand. And that's something money can't fix. Race swapping popular characters is asking for trouble some people are starting to realize Disney is a Leftist Factory of shit.
And Wish is going to damage the brand further. Boys won't care about this shit and girls don't like shitty princesses like Merida or black princesses like Tiana and people are getting tired of shit skins being spammed for this year and Wish is the final movie about blacks for this year so by the time it's released people will be burned out.
frick off, your opinions are worthless
I think they’ve just done a bad job designing the black princesses. Tiana’s official dress was IMO not a winner. The Wish girl is really cute by I don’t like how her dress looks either and I don’t think Disney really knows how to strongly appeal to black female audiences’s sense of taste. I think they are inclined to like more color and dramatic looks while this new princess looks bland. If they want to make strongly appealing black princesses they need to hire like, models or fashion designers or something to give them pointers.
TLM has the same problem - her dresses in the movie were boring especially compared to her animated version.
Nah, Beauty and the Beast had bad dresses too.
Due to them being fricking stupid and thinking corsets are sexist, they can't do close fitting dresses otherwise they look terrible. This results in tissue paper dresses or just scruffy looking ones.
I’d be curious to see the concept art. Pretty much every black female artist I follow has a keen sense of fashion and that taste isn’t reflected in the films Disney makes for them. I remember reading a Victorian era memoir that had a short aside about fashion in the city the woman was visiting and even then the woman remarked on how colorful the black women were and all the different accessories they liked to wear so it seems to be a really long standing preference.
I think Spiderverse did a better job reflecting the sense of aesthetics black women might like and not because it’s a ‘black film’ but because of characters like Lyla and Byte and stuff like the color schemes. I think Disney’s core aesthetics are just overly suffused with traditional European influence where I can’t see them plausibly being ‘cool’ or designing cool looking characters let alone cool looking female ones and that hurts their black female leads most because I think that’s what audiences would want from them. A dress that might work for a white princess just doesn’t work on a black one and makes her look mid.
I don’t know if I’m expressing myself well or seeing patterns that aren’t there. I just swear there’s some different aesthetic sensibility in what black audiences want that you see reflected in their art. Wish’s Asha looks like she was designed by a white person or at least her design was approved by one.
Asha needs to have white girls and Latinitas to sell. Black girls is too small of a market.
It's amazing how Disney chooses the worst of both worlds- they want an authentic setting and accurate costuming but modern social sensibilities.
Beyoncé is popular with everyone. There have many many successful black female artists in Latin America and some of the most well known runway models in history were black. But they’ve all had energy and panache that’s lacking in Disney’s designs. What I’m saying is that the aesthetic preferences of black women influence what other people expect from black female characters and they don’t want to see a reskinned white woman.
I know what you mean. This Mom has great style for herself and her daughter.
https://youtube.com/shorts/-gb7pCpDwuk?feature=share
The Barbie outfit is precious. I know Barbie herself is white but I think the aesthetics of the upcoming Barbie film are more fun and playful in a way that black girls would enjoy. It’s not just the actress but the clothes, the color palette, the way the sets look.
Tiana was cute.
Never said she wasn’t I just don’t like her dress and her personality is a bit bland.
Tiana is freaking gorgeous at Disney World. Not sure why they Can't make an African princess in Africa. Why put a black girl in a medeival European castle?
Black =/= african
The live action remakes have been steadily damaging the brand for years. The Jungle Book remake rubbed a lot of people the wrong way by changing the ending (and missing the entire fricking point of the story in the process), Beauty and the Beast was a massive collision of miscasting and bad directing, Aladdin's domestic box office was only a little over half of BATB's and the Bollywood draw overseas was the only thing that let it draw a big profit, Dumbo was a bomb, Lion King was panned, Pinocchio flopped, and now Little Mermaid.
Combine that with all the lackluster Pixar movies, fumbling the Star Wars franchise, and all the problems with their parks and merchandising and Disney has had an absolutely appalling decade.
TLM remake really is more of a flop than a bomb.
I think beyond the controversy of the film itself people were so confidant it would do Aladdin numbers so when it fell short of that (and so dramatically internationally) people started assuming the worst. It's still not doing well but compared to Elemental or how Indy's looking it might end up being Disney's second highest grossing film this year.
>Can they afford
This depends on the level of survival you're willing to accept. If it's simply a matter of Disney existing, sure, they can "afford" another bomb or 10. They may have to sell some stocks. They may have to sell some intellectual properties. They may have to reduce land holdings. They may have to fire another 25% of their workforce. Who am I kidding, layoffs would be the first thing they'd do.
If cartel videos have taught people anything, it's that you can cut off and eat many pieces of a human being before they expire. Disney is the same way.
They say she's Spanish but she looks really dark.
She's a Moore... Arabic/North African invaders that ended up getting kicked out of Spain.
She looks more black than anything
This is the one where they frame the moorish invaders as the natural rulers of Spain and the Spanish natives as the villains right?
I hope its instantly forgotten
It’s literally just double the same amount as Elemental just double as Mario and Spiderverse.
TLM didn't bomb though
It did not make back production+marketing budget and the only people who believe that are people who think Disney gets 100% of domestic and international ticket sales
It didn't do great either, considering the money spent on it. $468M worldwide gross at last count, with a projected final theatrical run of just over $500M. Certainly not a bomb, but not great for a movie with a combined marketing, distribution, and production budget estimated at ~$400M.
They can make a killing off merch though (Protag dolls and plushies of the star and goat)
Not if it sucks.
and they're still gonna top more cash on it with hype boosting articles during it's production too I bet.
Damn, the mouse empire fell before the American one did. Fricking amazing.
Disney fricking deserves the L after not learning shit from A Wrinkle in Time.
This looks like Elena of Avalor.
This is something I'd expect to see on Netflix or Disney+ as an animated series.
I am not going to a theater or buying anything to go watch this. Especially since the trailer basically shows off 100% of the plot. At least they aren't hiding their "reveal" villains anymore.
Doesn't every Disney trailer ever do that?
No, I remeber not knowing what Frozen, Moana, Raya, Strange World , or Wreck it Ralph 2 were even about after the trailer until Cinemaphile told me
So what is it this time?
Fiesty Latina? Sassy black? Or quirky asian?
Competent, responsible, probably queer Afro-Latina that wants to overthrow the white male patriarchy. It's the most nu-Disney movie ever.
>Moor Spaniard Princess
Why insult a single group of people WHEN YOU CAN INSULT BOTH OF THEM?
I personally don't want this to ba a bomb for two reasons:
1º) After so much time, Spain is finally having a princess; and as a spanish myself, I don't want to be ashamed.
2º) Being the movie of Disney's 100th anniversary, it marks a lot on Disney's history.
Why do you need Disney, an AMERICAN company to make a Spanish princess for you? I thought you Europeans hated the United States. Why not make your own Spanish princess?
I don't believe in countries. I couldn't care less about who comes from where. My life has mostly always stank, and Disney gave me some cheer and strength to survive.
Besides, I'll tell you, most of spanish movies can't spend one minute without insulting someone of mocking stuff. And I'm quite sick of it.
If you have a problem with USA, it's yours, not mine.
>don't believe in countries
why you want a spanish princess then?
I’m making a prediction that these two will be shipped together
This movie isn't going to be popular enough to have ships. Nobody shipped any of the characters in Lightyear.
This
, it won't have good songs enough to encourage the Bruno Mirabel shippers to pull through
This guy's going to be Castillian and Catholic, isn't he? I just know Disney won't be able to resist.
At least he's not just El Cid
El Chad
disney should have done a film about him
There's one that was made in the 2000s, it was good
Is it avalible anywhere? I'll take a mega or torrent
Watch this upcoming movie become Disney's biggest hit
D+ original
So? imagine if it has more views and popularity than Elio,Inside Out 2 and WDAS 2024 film
It's hilarious what a total prostitute Harrison Ford turned into after shitting all over Han Solo and Indiana Jones for decades. Guess the old man just wants to stay in the spotlight until he's dead.
He's a total hypocrite. Sure, take the check but don't say these movies are juvenile, they weren't too juvenile for you, Harrison.
Isn't this b***h supposed to be a moor? Like, part Arab part Spanish? Why does she look like a subsaharan homie? Why do Amerifats think everyone in Africa is black
Because we really are that moronic about race. We think everywhere else is like America in terms of ethnicity shit.
moors were not arab. they came from Mauria and thesurrounding coast areas. so a lot of Berber, maybe some tuareg and of course, a lot of Maurians. Tuaregs and berbers have mixed a lot with blacks, being saharan nomads.
>WE WUZ MOORS N SHIT
quit lying you dumb homie
Aight might be nitpicking but I would have preferred that for their 100th anniversary, it should have been traditionally animated 2D shit instead of CGI.
This looks and feels rather cheaply made despite that 200 million budget, what the frick?
>I would have preferred that for their 100th anniversary, it should have been traditionally animated 2D shit instead of CGI
It's a common opinion and Disney is moronic
>finally get a Spanish Disney princess
>she's a fricking Moor
11 years ago, Sofia the First was officially considered "inspired by Spain" already though. Unsurprisingly, people with nothing better to worry about complained that she wasn't ethnic enough, which led to the creation of Elena of Avalor.
The surprising thing about this princess isn't as much the color of her skin as the fact that she's the third Hispanic princess we got from Disney, and each one of them is notably darker than the previous one.
Spanish are brown and have been for centuries
american detected. spain aint mexico
Wow, more movies I won't watch. I'm sure this crap will bomb too.
It's like Disney thinks over half of Americans are black women.
>well, it shouldnt matter that she is black
I thought, but then I remembered that all the moviemaker people follow an ideology thqt says it should.
How did Elemental cost $200 million?
They don't even have big names attached to it
Mario had an all star cast and still only half the budget
Have you considered that they are just introducing a different variety of hispanic each time like how Encanto had blacks, browns, and a ginger in one family
The family in Encanto is funny, a bunch of mutts who look like mutts, a couple blacks, a random white, and a random Indian looking girl
Encanto also had good songs
It's amazing how the worst thing about Encanto is the protagonist Mirabel. Even her song is ignored.
Thats accurate to columbia though
i love sofia and elena so much bros
i know they’re preschool kiddie shows but they have more SOVL and stories than whatever the frick disney is putting out these days. i need to shill them to as many as anons as possible so there can actually be threads on these shows.
We're not Conguitos
If they really wanted to make money they’d make a good 2D movie and surprise nostalgiagays with it ala Coca Cola Classic.
Why in the frick would you make a CG feature that tries to look 2D? The CG normies are going to think it looks cheap because muh detail muh GRAFIX and the nostalgiagays and autists aren’t going to get the dopamine hit of a 2D feature. I swear Disney is run by mongoloids now.
nuh uh normies LOVE spiderverse
Spiderverse does not look like 2D, it looks like stylized 3D.
This looks like it’s trying and failing to pass itself off as an homage to Renaissance Disney.
All media companies get blackrock money for attacking white men and european culture
that is why the middle class keeps getting poorer
Wish looks like generic princess garbage. I wanted to punch out the sheep thing when it started talking when i saw the trailer before elemental which i thought was pretty good
Why won't they just make traditional princess movies again. Like Tangled.
You know what I hate? Because of all these shitty movies that Disney has been making including Wish? I dread to see these films as worlds in Kingdom Hearts.
The appeal of Kingdom Hearts is that you are exploring the worlds of beloved movies. I don't care about any of this modern trash starting with Frozen which is a disgustingly overrated shitty movie. From Frozen until now? All I see is garbage. Kingdom Hearts doesn't work if the worlds are based on shoddy media. Sometimes I feel that Kingdom Hearts would be better off sold to Square Enix so they can make collaborations with different companies instead of being stuck with Modern Disney.
It could work if Sqeenix had more freedom in how they work with the worlds, allowing them to maybe take a decent concept that was done poorly by Disney, and try and work it into something better.
But Didney would never allow that. The Frozen world could have been so good if it wasn't for their meddling.
I haven't really played Kingdom Hearts, but wasn't the Tangled world really well done in III? If that's the case, it would seem a little unusual given how it's a newer film. However, I could totally see Lee being possessive of the Frozen franchise and not giving a frick about Tangled since it was released before she was brought into the studio.
The Tangled world was almost a straight retelling of the movie but with Sora, Donald and Goofy as the awkward third, fourth, and fifth wheels. They're not participants in the story so much as they are spectators to it. Not as bad as the Frozen world where they only interact with the movie's characters in a whopping two entire scenes, or the Pirates 3 world where they're just a sideplot goofing off wiht fake-Jack while the rest of the characters are off doing the entire plot of the movie off-screen, but still a worse implementation than every single Disney world in KH1.
>she openly hates Kingdom Hearts
Why does she hate it?
I see. Maybe the guys who made Tangled should be in charge!
Byron Howard seriously should have been made CCO after Disney terminated Lasseter. He's an actual animator with several successful features under his direction. He pretty much saved Bolt and help Glenn Keane save Tangled.
TangledBros win again
THANK YOU
Lee acts like she's so clever. For Wish, she gave Asha a group of friends collectively referred to as the "teens" and openly stated they're based on the seven dwarfs. I don't think she understand the dwarfs were made to be cartoony with their one-note personalities. She's trying to make these friends supportive without the charm.
I bet you Grumpy's nonbinary too.
The teens appeared in the teaser trailer. I thought they were background characters when I first saw them.
What happened to all the social media shit about them accidentally making the princess MC part of a group of historical colonizers
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>she openly hates Kingdom Hearts
Why does she hate it?
>Who knows, she's a shitty woman and a symbol of the modern era. But if I have to guess she probably felt threatened by Kingdom Hearts because it could have risked how Frozen is seen. If Kingdom Hearts depicts Frozen badly it could ruin the sacred image that she feels Frozen has. She's one of those self opinionated individuals who thinks only her opinion matters because she's the director in question for Frozen.
>I heard that the idea of the Frozen world of Kingdom Hearts was the old prototype idea of Elsa being an antagonist. An idea that was dropped for the Disney movie itself. And Jennifer Lee seriously hates the idea of precious snowflake Mary Sue Elsa ever being seen as a villain of any kind. So that may have contributed to her hatred of Kingdom Hearts.
>But at the same time during the making of Frozen 2? Jennifer Lee's "brilliant" idea is to kill off Elsa to promote Anna to take the spotlight because it seems Jennifer Lee worships Anna as her self insert and is disappointed people don't care about her compared to Elsa. Disney naturally blocked her Kill Elsa idea. Jennifer Lee is nothing more than a difficult "C U Next Tuesday" to deal with a pain in the ass from what I can see and the day she's finally ousted from her privileged job at Disney will be a good thing. Oh sure we could get a worse replacement but right now all we know is this terrible "C U Next Tuesday" is shit.
Also don't know why the image didn't post. Maybe it will now? It's a JPG.
That image somehow fills me with anger.
It's the entire premise of this shit movie that's a modern butthole's attempt to woke-wash old tradition with retcons that angers me.
>>Who knows, she's a shitty woman and a symbol of the modern era. But if I have to guess she probably felt threatened by Kingdom Hearts because it could have risked how Frozen is seen. If Kingdom Hearts depicts Frozen badly it could ruin the sacred image that she feels Frozen has. She's one of those self opinionated individuals who thinks only her opinion matters because she's the director in question for Frozen.
>>I heard that the idea of the Frozen world of Kingdom Hearts was the old prototype idea of Elsa being an antagonist. An idea that was dropped for the Disney movie itself. And Jennifer Lee seriously hates the idea of precious snowflake Mary Sue Elsa ever being seen as a villain of any kind. So that may have contributed to her hatred of Kingdom Hearts.
>>But at the same time during the making of Frozen 2? Jennifer Lee's "brilliant" idea is to kill off Elsa to promote Anna to take the spotlight because it seems Jennifer Lee worships Anna as her self insert and is disappointed people don't care about her compared to Elsa. Disney naturally blocked her Kill Elsa idea. Jennifer Lee is nothing more than a difficult "C U Next Tuesday" to deal with a pain in the ass from what I can see and the day she's finally ousted from her privileged job at Disney will be a good thing. Oh sure we could get a worse replacement but right now all we know is this terrible "C U Next Tuesday" is shit.
Wow, so Jennifer Lee was the one behind the whole KH3-Frozen fiasco, and why neither Anna, Elsa, nor Kristoff were made party members?
I don't know, but maybe somebody knows more than I do. I wouldn't be surprised though. There's nobody else with the power to demand otherwise. Chris Buck had no problem with Tarzan, Lasseter allowed for pretty much everything, so who else could it be?
If it's true, it's kind of ironic Lee worked on a video game movie. She totally seems like the type to blindly hate video games.
>200m production budget alone
movie budgets are approaching that of smaller countries GDP
Why are budgets so overinflated nowdays?
Even adjusted for inflation the most expensive Movies 10 years ago were nowhere near as expensive as what we are getting today.
before: just need to hire some guys who can draw
now: need to hire software developers to program the fancy animation tech
>need to hire software developers to program the fancy animation tech
They could literally do this shit in Blender for free, why are corporations so moronic?
Let me guess, it's another 'cutesy journey to find yourself' with no villain, stakes, or anything of interest.
*YAAWWWWWWWWN*
there's a villain, at least
ngl he looks kinda gay
He looks like a great magician who can switch your clothes between red and black in the blink of an eye.
He definitely has the Vegas showmanship vibe, which I like. Too bad Lee's going to write him to be lame as hell.
he looks too sanitized to be a memorable villain, just compare him to jafar
I don't think sanitized as much as boring like the rest of the movie. Making the cis white Chrstian male with showmanship the villain? Just seems too easy. So far I don't see any flair.
I'm expecting this. It's totally going to flop if it goes in that direction, but I can see him erasing the wishes for genocide and other shit.
Look closely at that design. He's going to be secretly good all along, like a reverse Hans.
pretty sure the whole impetus of the plot is the princess finds out he's secretly evil
That would be a funny double subversion
>sets out because she finds out he's evil
>turns out she was in the wrong about it all by the end
The princess sings an entire song about how she wishes everybody knew how corrupt the king is. Yes, that's the wish the entire movie is built around.
Not sure about that but I look forward to groaning with dossapointment when the storybooks spoil the plot a few weeks before release
Seriously, listen to the leaked song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmkO-CcNbZo
>SANTIAGO! SANTIAGO!
Also, no love internet. It's OVER
Our Ariel didn't flop. Try again Chud.
>Break even in box office
>+estimated 80 million in rentals
>+estimated 100 million in Disney plus value
This isn't even including Merchandise and Halle Bailey's limitless increase in popularity.
It's hilarious to watch Bigoted Chuds celebrate tying the battle, but losing the war
Trying too hard.
Hillary lost
The little girls who watched Frozen, Moana and Encanto over and over and over and over will make this a success. Princesses and musicals do well.
My Spanish Princess, I love you.
is funny how Netflix indirectly caused the entire industry to switch to failure model such as individual streaming services because all the companies were too damn greedy to keep their shows on Netflix and took them away so they could get their own part of the pie but since no many are willing to pay for multiple services most just pirate everything and now even Netflix is bleeding money fricking kek
i like that disney is recognizing the 2d+3d style, but i feel like theres something missing in the animation. The designs of the characters feel too basic, I feel like ive seen that goat design at least once. I think they could have done better with the designs.
>more browns
Oh boy, I can't wait.
>it's our 100th anniversary film!
>does absolutely nothing with that history
absolutely meaningless marketing tripe.