It has a second week drop of 64% while Strange World had a 58% drop. That film ended with around $74 million worldwide gross while Wish is on around $53 million but a far larger budget.
Don't feel bad because they excluded movies from the credits supposedly featuring "every Disney Studio film" so frick them lol.
https://screenrant.com/wish-movie-box-office-second-weekend-disney-comparison/
Womp womp.
Removing him killed the movie. In fact, it's amazing how they discarded every single good idea this movie had during production
Shut the frick up he wouldn't have made a difference except being involved in a bunch of gay porn you homosexual
homie, this movie is aimed to little girls and pree teens, tell they wouldn't have loved a blonde hairy twink magic prince for Asha, sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one
>traditional love story
>cute boy
Parents would respond more positively and landwhales would simp on social media.
"Marketability" is a thing for a reason. Removing all the traditional elements of romance or humanity from a movie to replace with diversity and plush toy marketin doesn't work, this is the proof.
>had all the ingredients to make a tumblr sexyman
>didn't
>now paying the price
money truly speaks the loudest
>Gay porn
Disney built an empire on heartwarming romance homie, Japan isn't the only audience
>And the gay porn would've been really good
>Arrogant butthole Magnifico and innocent twink Star
He would have gotten so much femporn of him and the girl...
NOW we're talking
We had a mass of Bruno fans because we are that desperate for tumblr sexy men, it would have been a great inspiration for fanart
And? RotG, Encanto and Wish have one thing in common, they all bombed hard. Clearly tumblr circlejerk doesn't change a thing.
>Encanto
>bombed
There you go with this myth again.
It flopped, but wasn't a bomb.
Was Encanto even in theaters?
Yes. It was a 3,980 release even.
He would have made little girls wetter than a tsunami and Star Boy x Magnifico gay porn would have been great
Look at the success of Lucas Lee, Magnifico is the one getting the majority of porn, nobody cares about Asha and the Queen.
Star Prince would have gotten a lot of crossover shipping and a rivalry with Peter Pan.
>except being involved in a bunch of gay porn
yeah but we are talking about commercial success, fan porn is just a subproduct of that
They could've easily had him being a human and still get Star as his little pet sidekick. He's a baby wishing star and the babies don't have enough power to shapeshift or whatever. Then him and the talking goat could've had a little fun back-n-forth chemistry like the raccoon and dog in Pocahontas. Kids love that shit.
He could have had the star side kick and remove the goat.
They'd have still attempted the stupid Disney Cinematic Universe thing. Some tumblr gay bait can't save the bad animation and AI generated lyrics and script either.
As I said in another thread, both the star and magnifico should have been the same type of creature, a wishing star. It would explain why the king could grant wishes and also create a good frame for a better backstory and proper antagonist motivation, instead of going "I like power because I'm evil ok? Nobody else can be powerful".
I don't even know why movie magnifico starts an apprenticeship for magic if he doesnt like when other people have power.
I guess having an understudy to flatter you & shape into your image us an understandable megalomaniac thing to do.
It's a shame because based on the premise, name and meta-lore (inspired by Walt) Magnifico could have been a GOAT-tier antagonist.
>(inspired by Walt) Magnifico
Is that true? Isn't it in bad taste to have the villain for your 100 year anniversary film be based on the dead guy who's company is paying for your movie to be made, and your paycheck?
Nah, it's great because the "villain" was right about everything and the diversity hires destroyed everything the built.
>Stars are beings that reside in the heavens, usually passive observers of humanity. Can shape shift.
>sometimes they grant wishes
>they're not meant to live among people so it's frowned upon among their society. Reason includes 1000s of years lifespan and I guess kinda seeing humans as less than because no magic?
>1 star goes rogue anyway and starts using their magical to materialize as a wizard dictator
>Takes out one of the royals and remarries the widow, therefore having le evil stepparent
>The reason the rogue was able to do havoc for a while without the star society intervening sooner is because of a time delay between Earth and heaven
>another star is sent to counteract the rogue star
>the princess hates rogue star stepparent and teams up with the cute star boy
>A dillema occurs because stars aren't meant to live among people and star boy wants to stay after because he fell in love with the princess
>Princess is conflicted because she thought stars were evil for taking over the kingdom and for being cruel beings that stood by while one of their own made a mess. reevaluates what she thought about the star race upon meeting star boy
>Princess is not le quirky joke girl and is instead someone who is introverted and withdrawn after years of an abusive living situation, a stark contrast to the happy go lucky Starboy.it takes a bit for her to trust him.
(1/2)
>Star battle ensues. Meanwhile princess confronts her parent. Turns out alive parent was a narcissist social climber that willingly latched onto the rogue star for cosmic power.
>Princess manages to subdue bad parent and tries to help star boy
>Evil star plays dirty and attacks the princess by sending forth a dragon
>Knight in shining armor moment where Starboy saves her
>Evil star is supernova'd, le classic no redemption. Bad parent is locked away
>Princess must step up for the good of the kingdom and rebuild a happy society. A great responsibility she takes seriously
>Kingdom is happy yet hesitant when word spreads around that another star wants to stay and be with the heir to the throne. What if this star turns out to be a scheming dictator too?
>Star boy has a connection back home and explains the situation quickly but they aren't happy about it
>He changes everyone's mind by renouncing his starhood and wishing upon the other stars to make him human
>All the stars in the sky glow as the wish is granted. The wish is sealed with true loves first kiss
>Happy ending wedding
I pulled this shit out of my ass in less than 10 minutes at 3am. It could use some work but some of this would never pass the DEI council Disney has. Imagine being the dipshit exec that cut out the best parts of the film and seeing the public think your ideas were dumb. Where's my 6 figure job, Disney?
Yeah. It's fricked up how disconnected Disney is. Even rehashed movies in a new wrapper would probably work better. The Obi-Wan series should have been a Fistfull of Dollars theme where Obi-Wan decides to help a weekend Mos Eisley port authority get rid of some gangs by working for both of them. He does this because one day Owen was almost mugged by a criminal in broad daylight and Obi-Wan doesn't want to see Luke get into trouble. That and he also doesn't like seeing good people preyed on by the bad. He doesn't use his lightsaber or the force and instead just uses his witts and combat skills. Show climaxs with one moment where he has to use his saber when faced with unwinnable odds.
Hell Rogue One or Solo being a Heist movie like Oceans 11 would of probably worked too.
>Rogue One
This is the only good piece of Star Wars media Disney ever made. Against all odds and probably by accident, it's actually good.
The action in the final battle is fantastic and saves the movie, otherwise it is fine.
I agree, the first and second acts aren't great, but the final act is so good it completely saves the entire thing.
Why lie? They culled Kyle Katarn to make that slop.
>It would explain why the king could grant wishes
it never explains why the king is the only other person who can grant wishes?
>magnifico was once a bright star brought to earth
>used to being admired, so egotistical, but a hopeful and kind spark
>became corrupted by human greed and demands
>his granting people's wishes raze the kingdom to the ground, so he founds a kingdom where this won't happen
>no one knows about this, thinks he's just a normal human until
>'Oh, Asha. Don't you realise what you've done to him? He can never go back.'
>'Oh, Asha. Don't you realise what you've done to him? He can never go back.'
KINO
Based, would've also been good with Star Boy being corrupted by his affection for Asha
you can tell they wanted to make money off merchandise ala baby yoda.
I think they were in part outsourced.
Also fun fact: The studio that did the Shadow the Hedgehog cinematics also did the Sonic Movie CGI (Blur Studio)
Was for
and
Yeah, Dynamo Pictures did the animation.
Since then they've been acquired by Nintendo however.
The stupid thing is that they could've had both since the star was originally a shapeshifter.
>you can tell they wanted to make money off merchandise ala baby yoda
We saw it didn't work with Porgs
And then they found out the human shaped plushie selled better than the yellow blob.
My sides, imagine if we had the twink instead
The star just looks super generic, like something you'd seen in a nintendo game.
Literally just a Luma with extra steps
It's funny because it's almost identical to a creature introduced in the best-received Nintendo game of all time, Mario Galaxy, back on the fricking Nintendo Wii. I'd say "except it has a mouth," but the Illumination movie gave said creature a mouth, so the only actual difference is the heart pattern on the D*sney version.
>Asha always had that ugly dress
Kek, even in her flashback she wore the same dress.
>have a homage to Cinderellas dress transformation
>doesn’t even give her a new dress
Having Jennifer Lee as a cowriter is what killed this movie.
woke disney is trash and I'm glad those feminists destroyed Disney.
frick Disney.
I think its hilarious how Disney's 100 year homage threw out the one thing that would have made it a homage; the romance story. People wanted it too.
You all realize thats her grandfather's ghost right? It was never going to be a love story
That was just one of the ideas, not the only one.
I *very* much agree with this as a straight female.
And Nala is Simba's cousin. Who cares?
>You all realize thats her grandfather's ghost right? It was never going to be a love story
Nope. They changed that part early in production. They also wanted the star boy to be non binary. There would have been no romance. Executives said no on the non-binary, so the activist writers got rid of Starboy out of spite and replaced him with the uncreative star plush. The best solution would be to have a straight romantic interest Starboy who has the ability to shapeshift in to the plushy star form, or give him the star as a pet/sidekick. You can't expect Disney activist writers to be smart or give the audience what they want.
>They also wanted the star boy to be non binary. There would have been no romance
This doesn't explain the love ballard
That was probably from back when the Starboy was the ghost of her grandpa. Or the songwriters just had a song they liked that didn't fit, an executive heard it and liked it, so they forced it in.
They would end with brumira 2
The demo version of that song heavily implies romantic shit with the "love you as one does" over the official "promise as one does".
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The song style wouldn't fit the tone of what is an evil couple.
I disagree. To protect someone 'at all costs' can imply doing increasingly reckless, dangerous, controlling things that hurt the person you are trying to protect or hurting other people. To me it is absolutely the perfect love song to foreshadow later villainy. It's perfect for Magnifico and Amaya.
It would have also worked as a dual-duet between Magnifico/Amaya and Asha/Star Boy. The former representing unhealthy love the latter representing healthy, innocent love. It also works to represent the contrast of Magnifico and Amaya's romance going from healthy to unhealthy, perhaps with a later reprise where Amaya sings it as part of a scene where she helps rescue and redeem her husband.
“Throwing caution to every warning sign” (dumb lyrics, but we all understand what it means) is also reckless and potentially dangerous, but the movie doesn’t think so. Prioritizing your loved one over everything else is a common and well-loved trope, especially in works with a romanticist bend, which Disney movies usually are.
That wasn't for Asha
Another kino part of the original concept that some group of idiots destroyed, probably for ideological reasons.
Hilarious how any other dynamic would've worked better.
Magnifico and his wife both being evil together who are harnessing wishes.
Magnifico being misguided over everything but his wife trying to help him see reason. Magnifico turning into an arrogant fool to the point that his wife grows sick of him and aims to be rid of him while seizing his power for herself.
Magnifico being a idiot puppet that is manipulated by his wife to hold wishes for nefarious reasons.
But evil book turns person evil instead.
And I love the whole oil thing.
>Oh, I almost forgot, miss baker. Use this magic oil that lets you read the book without being cursed. I wouldn't want anything bad happenning to the castle baker!
>>Oh, I almost forgot, miss baker. Use this magic oil that lets you read the book without being cursed. I wouldn't want anything bad happenning to the castle baker!
Please, Please tell me this is not an actual fricking plot point?
Kek, you don't know about the best part of the movie!?
It's such a small scene, a lot of people don't even notice it. But it's great, it's the proof that the queen knows her husband is under some powerful curse and still she treats him like he's a tyrant that never loved her at the end.
>Disney makes 100 years of characters saving each other from evil curses through unconditional love
>100 year movie ends with loving wife making a quip at her horribly cursed husband and locking him in a basement
To be fair, there were a few noticable moments where she doubted her love for him before he got corrupted. So who knows what was happening behind closed doors. They also made it clear that once youre under this curse, there is no way to dispell it. I'm not defending the writing of this movie but I figured I'd clear a few things up.
>They also made it clear that once youre under this curse, there is no way to dispell it
1. That's bullshit.
2. THERE'S ALWAYS A WAY!
3. If there's not a way then that's all the more reason there is for them to make one. With the power of wishes. In a magic fairy tale adventure.
I don't care if it's clapping for Tinkerbell or crying pokemon. You find a way. There's not NOT a way in fiction unless the writers wants there not to be one.
I kinda agree with you, I can only see them salvaging this story with a sequel that delves deeper into Magnifico's life, but that's not happening.
I don't hate this movie. I went into it with low expectations, especially knowing that they haven't made a good 3d princess story since Tangled.
Saving him is so easy and obvious it writes itself.
>King is beloved by citizenry but is actually scared and paranoid about losing them and thinks they're greedy but uses it to keep them placated without realizing he's feeding the machine he fears
>Citizenry is actually kind of over reliant and expecting of wishes being granted that they push him without realizing it
>King goes crazy and turns into a demon but Asha (maybe through a song) convinces the people to wish him back to normal. Everyone learns a moral about greed or effort or whatever
And you can even have him step down as King to go run off with his wife if you really want to while he gives Asha the job as wish master.
the thing is, people have been b***hing about disney villains getting redeemed for years. this movie was supposed to counter that. disney is pandering to those kinds of checkbox people with this movie. they all fail to realise that audiences don't know what they want until they get it.
So, how many big movie villains have been redeemed?
all of them, it's been a meme for years that disney has no real antagonists
So, no examples of big movie villain redemption?
Raya, Inside Out, Encanto, Turning Red, and Soul don't really have a "bad guy" and where there is, they get redemption.
>Decide to make a "proper" villain
>He ends up more redeemable storywise than your redeemable villains
I mean what the hell is going on in there
The first half he certainly is an antagonist figure, but it feels like they didn't know how to properly turn that into cackling villainy
scar or jafar or ursula on a mad power trip is believeable because they always wanted to do that, they just didn't have enough power. magnifico could already do that, he's the king and the only one with any magic
That's well and good and I'd be all for a villain that was pure evil. But either by accident or pure moronic design they made a villain who absolutely sympathetic and worth redeeming. Mag's only real crimes were succumbing to fear and getting possessed. He was not an evil lich. He was not a wicked witch. He was not an usurper. He was not a treacherous vizier looking to back stab a kind king. He was not an abusive parent or husband. He was not a poacher. He was not an evil god. And he was not a goddamn Mongolian. He had one moment where he was, in fairness, a dick, but his biggest crime was telling the MC "no" while everyone lived content in an utopia.
What villain gets redeemed in Disney movies?
>Jafar fricking dies
>Ursula fricking dies
>Cruella fricking dies
>Scar fricking dies, his psychotic wife cackles as she throws herself off of a cliff instead of being saved by the heroes
The 5 Hans fans out there kept pushing for him to be redeemed but nobody else gives a shit
they've whitewashed villains several times via the live action remakes and/or sequels and prequels
>Maleficent was good all along
>Cruella was misunderstood and had a tragic backstory, she never killed any dogs
>Cinderella's stepmother was sad about being widowed twice
>Gaston's sidekick gets turned into his gay simp and forgiven
>the Sanderson sisters were actually girlbosses oppressed by the patriarchy
If that Scar prequel movie or whatever happens I guarantee it will be more of the same shit.
Characters only get redeemed in live-action reimaginings (or in a park attraction when it comes to LeFou). Hans deserves redemption, but Magnifico has nothing he needs to redeem himself for.
>the thing is, people have been b***hing about disney villains getting redeemed for years. this movie was supposed to counter that. disney is pandering to those kinds of checkbox people with this movie. they all fail to realise that audiences don't know what they want until they get it.
So, how many big movie villains have been redeemed
>all of them, it's been a meme for years that disney has no real antagonists
>Raya, Inside Out, Encanto, Turning Red, and Soul don't really have a "bad guy" and where there is, they get redemption
Okay, so, from blaming the audiences for the company faults and claiming that "ALL THE VILLAINS HAVE BEEN REDEEMED!", we go to "SOME movies don't really have a "bad guy" and where there is, they get redemption".
And yet, not even two examples of all those famous villain's redemptions from Disney movies we keep hearing about.
Holy fricking shit
>Nobody can break the hold on him!
Source: The evil book that has a hold on him
And the book also tells them that the staff is unbreakable...
>or at the very least
Saving her husband is literally the last thing on her mind.
Holy shit frick this woman.
Even the goat looks cuter and more marketable in this artwork
Damn, even my zoomer teen niece agreed with you on that.
Did she tell you that while you fingered her?
yes
I have seen some women turning against this film after thet found out the cut content.
Easily retconable. And I just found out he was meant to be mute as a human. He could have been the first mute, sign language using Disney prince. I can just imagine the adorable interactions he could have had with Asha. For all the preaching Disney does about muh diversity, this is the one time that kind of representation would have been beautiful to see. The more I read about Starboy, the more him getting axed pisses me off.
with respect, having the love interest in a musical be incapable of singing is moronic
They could've had some stupid interior monologue bullshit when he sang, maybe make it that he can only talk when he's in the heavens.
Everybody wanted Star Boy instead of the blob, Disney actually forgot that little girls and maladjusted adults love their romance. They didn't even want Magnifico and Amaya to love each other, though. Why even bother making a Disney movie, or any story, without some kind of love in it
>Everybody wanted Star Boy instead of the blob
The Star Boy should be named Ziggy
literally just make star boy black and then it's progressive. they were lazy with this one.
He was already brown. But now that I think about it, there hasn't been an actual black prince. Naveen is more Indian ish than black.
Oh shit, sorry anon. This
was meant for this guy
>they discarded every single good idea this movie had during production
They were crunched for time. The whole movie was made in 4 months.
Kek, what kind of shitty excuse is that?
>Okay, guys, I know we all wanted to make a good movie, but we're on a schedule so make it bad!
Embarrassing
Good thing this could be a wake up call for them to change their act.
Come on Anon, you know they won't.
NTA but if this isn't, a five day, holiday weekend where their anniversary film proceeded to be one of the biggest bombs in their history where they got the shit kicked out of them by a fricking Trolls sequel, Adam Sandler, and fricking FNAF, then nothing will and Disney is going to die.
Anon, they already have Toy fricking 5 and Frozen 3 and 4 in the making, nothing will change
*Toy Story fricking 5, but it's funny Toy Fricking 5
If by wake up call you mean burning 100 million dollar to create inflamatory articles telling thet it was chuds and nazi men's fault it failed, then yes
>burning 100 million dollar to create inflamatory articles
My man no one at fricking ScreenRant is getting paid anywhere near that much.
The executives responsible for this don't face personal consequences for ruining movies. Why would they change their act?
Won't they lose money?
>Don't feel bad because they excluded movies from the credits supposedly featuring "every Disney Studio film"
Let me guess, Song of the South?
Nope, shit like The Rescuers and package films among select others they entirely ignored
SOTS doesn't count as a main studio film so not referring to that
I understand ignoring the package films. But why ignore the Rescuers and Rescuers Down Under?
I want to know too. Those are two of my favorite Disney movies. I rewatched them a couple years ago, I haven't seen any other Disney cartoon in like 20 years.
What makes it worse is that Strange World is a sci-fi film, a genre that Disney was never good at. This is a fricking princess movie when was the last time a princess movie completely bombed?
>This is a fricking princess movie when was the last time a princess movie completely bombed?
Raya and the Last Dragon. Other than that, never, shit's usually an easy sell. Even Princess and the Frog was profitable.
>Raya and the Last Dragon. Other than that, never, shit's usually an easy sell. Even Princess and the Frog was profitable.
Raya wasn't made to be a princess film, they only made her a princess last year.
It's important to remember Raya also came out during COVID and had half as many theatres as Wish. Wish won't do as well internationally either
That's how all Princesses work. They only induct them into the Princess toyline once the movie has ceased to be marketable on its own. That's why Anna and Elsa were never formally inducted, Frozen's still too profitable as its own thing.
>This is a fricking princess movie when was the last time a princess movie completely bombed?
It's not even that since Asha isn't a Princess.
Several in here aren't either but that doesn't stop Disney from counting them
Where is Kida? Where is Elwinny? Where is Tigerlily? Where is Esmerelda? Why does Disney discriminate against Romani representation?
>Why does Disney discriminate against Romani representation?
They couldn't have too many minorities comepting with ~~*Jasmine*~~
Disney Princesses are a curated brand. No flops allowed and Esmeralda (who was included in the original lineup) was cut for being too sexy.
This doesn't explain Raya
Representation quota.
Kida wasn't a real ethnicity and Atlantis bombed (sadly) so they don't care
Putting them all together like that only further emphasizes how every character in this annoying soulless CGI style all literally look the same. A base model with little tweeks
Every time I see this image, I'm reminded of how dogshit this fricking movie is.
>Strange World is a sci-fi film, a genre that Disney was never good at.
Treasure Planet and Lilo & Stitch though.
A bomb and a mostly modest hit saved by merchandise sales.
I think one of the biggest unspoken disasters for animation remains Disney buying out Pixar. Imagine what Pixar would've been like now if that buy out never happened.
Hell I recall when I was young looking at Pixar's IMDB and being disappointed to see it was mostly sequels.
>Imagine what Pixar would've been like now if that buy out never happened.
Owned by Apple probably
>Owned by Apple probably
I would say that would have been better for Pixar than what we got now. 250 million dollar animations that nobody watches, filled to the brim with ticked checkboxes and all and not a one memorable character in the past decade Toystory had two, even the fricking Cars had that towtruck. What does modern day Pixar, shit for all.
>Atlantis and Lilo & Stitch though.
Fixed.
>Atlantis
Adventure
>e-girl & Scrimblo
Sure
A Disney movie doing worse than a biopic with divisive reception is insane
Forget Napoleon. What's funny is that their final cope of "f...f.. families don't go to the movies anymore!" Has been dashed by Trolls which was released a week before but is ahead of Wish this weekend.
100 years of Disney is being stomped to death by Trolls 3. Think about that
Historical movies tend to attract college grad autists who think everything should be a 1:1 reenactment. I remember when Lincoln was released and there was that obsessed group who was critical over it while everyone else praised it.
>Lincoln
I wish it was as cool as the bootleg cover makes it to be.
That cover go so hard
Frick off. The movie didn't even include the cool stuff or rushed some important things to make Napoleon more "relateable".
don't care, the movie was still gay
>tend to attract college grad autists who think everything should be a 1:1 reenactment
It should be, since so many people get their knowledge from movies
The movie skipped a lot, which pissed people off, basically made him look worse than what he was. It was a movie to be a sub par film.
Kino
This was boring on top of inaccurate.
Am I supposed to believe the entire population of Europe was conquered by Napoleon because they were waiting for him to ironically succeed? Wink wink, he can't frick?
Disney's 100th year celebration movie not only got beat by that, but also by a straight to streaming Adam Sandler movie.
Just embarrassing.
Saw this during Thanksgiving. Surprisingly witty and a lot of fun/heart despite the cheap animation. The banter between Leo and the turtle was funny, and I didn't expect the teacher to have an arc.
My fiance showed me a preview of this yesterday, is it weird that the lizard sounds like Adam Sandler doing an impression of himself?
>is it weird that the lizard sounds like Adam Sandler doing an impression of himself?
Adam Sandler is self-aware of his online reputation, and he usually goes this way in his non-drama movies.
I read this as
>A Disney movie doing worse than a BIPOC
and got real confused
that one only flop in france cuz frogs got triggered, its doing ok in the rest ot the world
Why certain posts got deleted? Do we have an actual Disney shills here?
No the posts were way too off-topic
It's Friday drop is 80% and unlike most movies that doesn't include Thursday previews. Dropping 64% is likely best case scenario
Good
Good
Good, Disney can get fricked
Is it worse than Strange World?
Unironically yes. SW is deeply mediocre and forgettable, while Wish is outright bad.
Yes on the counts that Strange World at least had the common decency of having characters develop and grow in the course of the movie, regardless of how basic and boring they made it. Wish has nobody changing in any way whatsoever because Magnifico is pure evil and everyone else is a perfect jelly bean.
For Disney?
Yes, Chapek almost wrote off Strange World for tax breaks
Wish was supposed to be THE milestone movie, instead is going to be a humilliating final blow to Disney's worst year in the box office since at least 2009.
Strange world had no marketing, 200+ million put into it. Wish had actual marketing, which costs 100-200 million dollars for stuff like merch, and more of a budget.
People really need to put emphasis that this movie had a Thanksgiving week, a FIVE-DAY window for its box office where families were off and it STILL did this poorly. On their fricking 100th anniversary. This is abysmal for a celebration of a legacy company who historically has been financially saved by princess movies (Snow White, Cinderella, and Little Mermaid).
Disney REALLY needs to clean house and sell off some assets. They can't survive otherwise.
They need to scrap Disney+ and license out their library to the highest bidder. That'll get them in the clear.
They didn't need to scrap Disney+ just not be morons about it. They should have left a large window for physical and digital purchase after theatrical release. Then 6 months after that put it on +.
You would think the company that did the Disney Vault would understand artificial scarcity
Or turn Disney+ into a hub for their digital releases as their own version of Vudu and as an alternative to theaters. People can watch their movies on the big screen or from the comfort of their own home. Either way, they're making bank. Older content can be licensed to other platforms for that easy money.
I'll never understand WHY they didn't just partner up with an established streaming service like Prime.
>Don't need to pay for infrastructure
>Someone else is incharge of the tech support
>Already established audience
Hell if they chose prime, they wouldn't even need to rely on a monthly/weekly content release window.
>Can't fire the shitty shot callers because they're too high up on the totem poll
>Can't fire the shitty writers because they're in a union
Disney mocked princess movies in and out of universe
People who celebrate thanksgiving with their family are NOT the audience for disney anymore, a lot of conservative midwesterners are more or less redpilled to a degree about disney.
Middle class american families used to be disney's bread and butter.
Not anymore.
Disney made their brand toxic, which is something that money can't buy.
The funniest shit is that the people they're pandering to don't like Disney movies and never will
>the people they're pandering to don't like Disney movies
They liked Encanto just fine. Disney doesn't seem to realize who they're pandering too anymore, and instead keeps following stale trends.
Encanto had le epic meme music for kids to reenact. Wish doesn't have a single song like that. Also, Hispanics love Disney more than the Midwest once did
>Hey honey lets take the kids to another movie with brown CGI morons of dubious sexual identity lecturing us about why white folx be literal demons!
>a lot of conservative midwesterners are more or less redpilled to a degree about disney.
lmao moron
What do you expect from Jennifer Lee?
>Nintendo's homegrown animation studio that is currently being prepared.
I expect it to crash and burn much like Squaresoft's studio did 20+ years ago. Game writers... show cracks even in other media.
I wonder who did those Smash trailers.
A full-length movie (not necessarily about Smash) of that caliber would be insane.
>I wonder who did those Smash trailers.
Digital Frontier.
>Don't worry Frozen has taken a hit and Frozen Mania is no longer a thing.
The first "Frozen" was overrated. A lot of the bad stuff they say about "Wish" I think actually applies to "Frozen" as well. "Frozen 2" was a better movie.
Frozen is so bad that the animation aged worse than movies released before it somehow. Even tangled looks better, Frozen looks like a high budget CGI Barbie movie
Looking at the credits, those Pikmin shorts were directed by an animation industry veteran, so that may be the case on Nintendo's part.
So why was Puss in Boots: the Last Wish better than Wish?
>Better main character who had clear flaws but was still likable enough
>The fact that he's literally a little Zorro kitty cat is a huge plus
>Decided to use Spiderverse concept-art-ish style where you can see the brush strokes on the textures. It's still new and allowed it to stand out from the smoothed out Pixar style Disney has been using
>Kitty and Purrito are likable, with bonus points for Purrito being an actual asset to the team rather than one of those 'A hyuk I dropped the one thing we need to solve all our problems down the drain I'm such a dummy goofball hyuk!' kind of character they very easily could have written him as
>The concept of wishes is handled well. The film isn't so much anti-wish as much as it's pro-try to find an alternative before going down that route. It doesn't bring up the sort of questions most would raise in regards to the concept
>The villains were night and day better. Goldilocks was nice simple arc. Jack Horner was a bastard and knew it but one of the funniest characters because of it. Death was legit imposing and will probably be in future 'top 10 childhood trauma from movies' videos
>Easy enough for kids to understand but the idea of being afraid to die and going on a journey to overcome that also works well with adults
>Great fight choreography
>A few callbacks to the larger Shrek franchise without being obnoxious about it. The writing is strong enough that you didn't have to see any Shrek film or the first Puss in Boots film to get a full understanding of this
>Kitty cat : 3
I solved a captcha to say you nailed it.
>The fact that he's literally a little Zorro kitty cat is a huge plus
I really should rewatch Mask of Zorro
I remember seeing it as a kid and his brother's head in the wine jug traumatized me
Still wild that a 10-years-late sequel to a spinoff to a sequel to Shrek turned out this good.
But that might be why it was a success: nobody expected much from it, so the creators just had fun with the art and writing to make something cool.
>so the creators just had fun with the art and writing to make something cool
I'm thinking disney is having a problem with this. Probably massive pressure right now to shit out another juggernaut flick and/or recapture the glory days while simultaneously trying to be socially subversive, basically impossible
The animation division is supposed to be their prestige as a brand but they've been turning out nothing but shit for over a decade now and they're so deep in blithely liberal corporate hell that there's really no path forward. Lest I attract a janny's attention, please let me explain: by "blithely liberal" I mean ticking all of the right boxes because they feel obliged to do so rather than for any artistic reason or even to make a statement. It's basically just going through the motions of having an independent female lead, a gay-coded character, visible deformities and disabilities, no "punching down", etc. but at this point it's entrenched. They're trying to balance between the loudest online fans who they have been pandering to hard recently and whose dream film is about the proverbial naked fat black crippled dykes with music by Lin-Manuel Miranda (which would have a box office return of about tree fiddy plus clap emojis and kill their brand for the other group) and the hundreds of millions of parents - all over the world - who will gladly take their kids to go see a "traditional Disney movie" about straight white people and their current approach of fence-sitting isn't working.
Honestly, if you're a corporate exec at Disney animation right now it must be a "water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink" situation. All you have to do to net more than the last six years combined is make a mid-budget boilerplate movie with a princess, an fun villain and music that isn't shit but you can't do that because you have boxes to tick. The fricking Frozen movies alone have made almost three BILLION dollars just at the box office despite having two of the three things on that list at best.
They wanted their own walled garden because they thought they had the brand strength.
>"If this is the only place that people can get their fill of Disney, Star Wars AND Marvel then we're going to make more money than god".
lol.
>All you have to do to net more than the last six years combined is make a mid-budget boilerplate movie with a princess, an fun villain and music that isn't shit but you can't do that because you have boxes to tick. The fricking Frozen movies alone have made almost three BILLION dollars just at the box office despite having two of the three things on that list at best.
The irony being that they literally got Jennifer Lee -the chick that wrote Frozen- to write the original script for Wish and rather than just trusting her to make them another billion they took a giant shit on what she'd written so they could tick those fricking boxes and lost themselves $400 million.
Jennifer Lee isn't a good writer on her own, though, and it's already been shown that she has no leadership ability because they've made a shitload of awful movies under her. How she allowed Wreck It Ralph 2 to get made the way it did is awful, it also seems like she pissed off the Lopezes because of the debacle in that Frozen II production documentary.
>Elsa literally hears a voice calling to her, this must be our plot
>Five months before movie opens
>What is the voice??? Why is it calling her??
>Songwriters don't even know how to write the song because Lee doesn't know the plot yet but has latched on to this one idea about a literal call to adventure
>How she allowed Wreck It Ralph 2 to get made the way it did is awful
Are you seriously implying that pile of corporate sludge is her fault? That entire movie was built from the ground up with corporate meddling, it didn't matter who they got to write the movie because the end result would've been the same.
Yes, because she's the one in charge and once implied that she gave a shit about the characters. Lasseter was infamously protective of his shitty cars characters, Lee either didn't care or couldn't tell the story was bad.
>The irony being that they literally got Jennifer Lee -the chick that wrote Frozen- to write the original script for Wish and rather than just trusting her to make them another billion they took a giant shit on what she'd written so they could tick those fricking boxes and lost themselves $400 million.
That's just cold.
>The irony being that they literally got Jennifer Lee -the chick that wrote Frozen- to write the original script for Wish
First, she's literally the boss of Disney Animation. She took over when Lasseter left.
Second, she didn't come up with the idea. So in all likelihood, she's the one who made the changes to fit her check boxes.
Lee came up with the idea that Disney's centennial feature should focus on wishing. Lee wrote the script, Lee greenlit everything. She's likely the person who vetoed evil Queen Amaya because she has stated that she doesn't want women fighting other women in her movies.
I'm fricking laughing at how they can't replicate their own formula, what they have now feels like it was made by aliens who don't understand human storytelling. They're terrified of having a traditional romance, which is one of the oldest fricking storytelling things there is, they're afraid of having attractive/clever heroes, they're afraid of having evil villains, or even songs that sound villainous. They keep throwing around words like "wish" and "magical" without understanding why they have no meaning on their own. They're not even producing work that's sophisticated or complex, it's like someone that actively hates the company is stripping each movie of what Disney is known for.
Pardon the food analogy, but this feels like Ratatouille. Just replace Gusteau's with Disney, and Skinner with Iger and Kennedy. Too bad there's no rat to save them.
Reminder that Wish songs were written by pop music artists not musical theater people. It's inexcusable
Musical theatre is the reason why classic Disney songs exist at all
>Reminder that Wish songs were written by pop music artists
Wouldn't be bad as long as the right people are chosen
After all, Ljon King's songs were written by Elton John, and Tarzan's by Phill Collins.
I don't know who decided to get LMM's moronic cousin but they need to be fired.
Phil Collins worked in Tarzan but Brother Bear was atrocious for some reason
>WELCOME TO OUR FAMILY TIME
>WELCOME TO OUR BROTHERLY TIME
There is 100% chance artists at Disney have any freedom from corporate executive bs
It had insanely good word of mouth from just about everyone. Something Disney and been lacking for a while.
You can always count on furries!
I just watched it today. It has a solid three act story with a classic moral, all the characters were likeable, a good set of villains (something sorely lacking in other movies), the visuals were great, no obvious merchandise bait character, and a satisfying ending that wrapped everything up well.
it had some cojones
The people who made it cared about telling this story instead of it being a cashgrab sequel made for the sake of money
Wish isn't a sequel but it certainly isn't "original" and is definitely a cynical cashgrab
They just fricking made a movie. Disney is so head up their own ass and scared of public opinion, that it's almost like Disney movies are OVERcalculated, and you end up with these inhuman monstrosities that appeal to no one, simply to defend the company's image in the face of criticism.
Also Iger outright admitting that their recent output was more driven by "the message" they were trying to say rather than by just making a good story
>Also Iger outright admitting that their recent output was more driven by "the message" they were trying to say
To what end, exactly?
What even IS the message? What's the message of Wish?
Support Israel.
You know as well as I do that "the message" was having a black princess who overthrows an "oppressive" evil white king, they literally make their movies based on progressive points checklists nowadays, same thing happened with Strange world
I'm sure the trips (111th) anniversary will be better.
PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY
GET WOKE GET WOKE GET WOKE
I got the solution : white characters. That'll be 30million consulting fee.
LOL
Don't worry, once Papa Iger's stuff starts coming out again it'll all bounce back. You'll see!
Make exactly this movie:
>2 fair-skinned attractive leads, opposite personalities, one is royalty and one is a peasant
>There's a curse
>They fall in love
>The love breaks the curse
>There is a sweeping ballad and at least one catchy song that can be memed
>It makes hundreds of millions of dollars
Just pick a fairy tale you haven't done yet. There's still a lot of them.
It's not too late to bring back jack and the giant bean stock
but what if the fair-skinned attractive leads are both girls
Then it's Frozen.
Well Frozen made a shit ton of money.
It's not like it'll really hurt them anyways, too big to fail and all that
You really need to get with the times. Disney's in big trouble.
They're a company with over $100 billion of equity. They might go through slumps and fire a bunch of grunt workers, but at this point I'd bet more money on the US falling apart than them going under.
you don't need to go under to irreversibly damage a company
If GM can bounce back from literal bankruptcy Disney can survive some flopped movies. I doubt they are irreversibly damaged.
>If GM can bounce back from literal bankruptcy Disney can survive some flopped movies
Yea all it will take is a 60% stock bailout from the US government like GM got so simple.
No such thing. If Disney did have a collapse like the auto industry, the government would bail them out with no strings attached.
The U.S. is falling apart and so are they.
two more weeks amirite?
>100 billion in equity
>169 billion market cap
This means if Disney were liquidated at this very moment, it would still owe $69 billion to its shareholders.
Of course, this isn't going to happen, but the point is this. You can't look at a company and say "they have 100 billion in equity, they can keep burning money." In fact, all of the properties Disney owns is a liability.
Let's say Disney shareholders are Pierce Brosnan, Disney is Pierce Brosnan's wife, and Disney's cash flow from its business is food. Mrs. Brosnan is very fat. But Mr. Brosnan wants her to be fatter. So she needs to keep shoveling food into her mouth and convert that food into fat stores, i.e. equity. The thing is, simply maintaining her size requires a lot of food. She needs to eat exponentially more in order to grow bigger. If her food is disrupted, she can survive on her fat stores, but she will become increasingly less attractive to Mr. Brosnan very fast until he leaves, and her food shortage becomes permanent collapse.
This is not a small deal. Disney can't keep digging holes for itself.
Are you moronic? You don't know what equity or market cap is
Yeah? Well where's your explanatory Pierce Brosnan analogy, pal?
maybe the only good 'food analogy' post ever made on here.
>Fat fetishists when they stuff too far and end up morbidly obese
i fricking hate you anon
Yeah people also said Lehman Brothers, General Motors, Kodak, Atari or many others couldnt go under, too big, too powerful, biggest slice of their market, too much money to go bankrupt yet they all burned to a crisp.
Chapter 11 is filled with companies that couldnt go out of business, no king reigns forever.
>Too big to fail
This refers to private companies that provide critical infrastructure. Like banks.
You think the government would bail out Disney just to make sure families have a summer blockbuster to go to?
Yes, I do.
not that anon but yes, the goverment bails out million dollars companies all the time.
what you and he doesn't get is this company will go through another theseus ship moment with the currents head honchos changing drastically.
The problem is that the rot is also on the crew not just the ship, it extends beyond HR and high level management
Bailing out an entertainment company that has alienated half the political aisle is polling suicide. Only people who'd champion that pork are unassailable entrenched Democrats.
Yes. Disney is one of the hundreds of arms of the american egemony and propaganda machine.
What infrastructure was GM in charge of, anon?
The US's main export is gay propaganda so Disney is the most too big to fail industry right now.
literally not a line of gay in the wish movie, go home
Disney will never disappear but could become economically and culturally irrelevant.
If Disney doesn't learn from it mistakes, it could end the same way as Kodak.
>Kodak
Who?
The camera company?
Exactly.
Right? Lol. Imagine inventing film and nobody gives a shit enough to remember you existed. People think Disney is to big to become irrelevant, but if Sears and Kodak can all but die, Amazon and Disney can too
black
It's gonna be so satisfying if the final gross for the Paw Patrol movie beats Wish's on less that 1/5 the budget ... with monster merch sales too
Wait so you're telling me people didn't like the woke gay movie OR the woke muslim movie about how the evil white man didn't provide enough gibs? What could it mean?
You all need to stop ban evading it looks pathetic and desperate
what looks pathetic is pedophile troony jannies running cover for the rat
the problem was clearly it being semi 2D when they have already announced how unmarketable 2D is
hell, there was actual 2D animation in the parts where Magnifico grants the wishes at the ceremony.
Wish I could made fun of how big of bomb this is without the schizos popping out
Guess the GATEKEEPING BAD DISNEY BAD wokellegory didn't help much
Why go out if you can watch animated Adam Sandler kino at home
Nintendo's animation studio is likely only going to used for video game cutscenes and promotional stuff, I highly doubt they'd spend resources to make actual full length blockbuster movies.
Don't mind me, just posting the superior wish-based film.
ultimate smegma
Kek
It was funnier at least
really, they couldn't make the star thing wishboys pet?
thats how i know damn well it wasnt about selling plushies to people.
it wont stop. itll get much worse like the woke comic industry
Good. Wish is an absolute disgrace of a movie and just shows how far the studio has fallen. Everything about it is utter trash. I can't even call it disney channel tier because the songs in tangled, sofia, and elena were all better than the slop in wish.
>beaten by Godzilla
Hail to the King, baby.
Minus one is how an anniversary movie is supposed to be. Made for the 70th anniversary and it's one of the best gozilla movies that respects the big guy's legacy.
>Having justin bieber songwriters instead of broadway
>Removing the tumblr sexyman for an orb that doesn't even have eyelashes
>Confused direction with the villain
>No evil MILF wife for Chris Pine
>Generic quirky protagonist for the princess
>Lame goat character
>5 years late art direction change
How did they frick it up so bad
I think the hate for this movie feels forced as frick. It was a solid watch, like Frozen or Encanto, and at least we got a villain this time and not family trauma for the 10th time.
Ah, a shill spotted in the wild!
Is it really that hard to believe that there are people out there that liked the movie? It was fun first watch.
Frozen 2 deserved this kind of hate for being an absolute dumpster fire and now we're getting two more thanks to you gays.
Yes, it's hard to believe a normal human being would think this movie is wholesome or heartwarming.
Instead of the slave in the mirror origin bullshit, it should have been a Yen Sid (Disney backwards) origin story. But they are idiots that don't give a crap about their own lore.
Disney should make a Kingdom Hearts movies. That will get butts in the seat
That will never happen without nomura breathing down everyone's throat, but I will admit that a kh1 movie sounds sick.
This movie is weird, it's like it the people making it were afraid of their characters showing any kind of strong affection.
Almost like it was written by narcissists.
You would think a movie celebrating 100 years of animation would be better than a "fun first watch" but if your standards and expectations are that low then you do you
Disney princess movies have always been pretty low standard. The only one that was actually good was Tangled. Why would Wish be any different? Why do Disney fans have high standards all of a sudden?
Magnifico threatened her with the black magic staff. You could argue that he's never really cared for her unless it was for his own gain. She had a good reason to leave him behind.
>Magnifico threatened her with the black magic staff. You could argue that he's never really cared for her unless it was for his own gain
He was corrupted, and she talked about he spoiling her
>You could argue that he's never really cared for her unless it was for his own gain. She had a good reason to leave him behind.
Seriously?
He didn't even really hurt her or anyone else when he used his zappy fingers at the ending
I can see that, but you can't mistake the apathy with the general public. Disney being such a Brand means that the success of it's films is always based on its predecessors, and people just got tired of Disney's stuff. Even if the stuff that came before wasn't terrible and even if Wish wasn't terrible it just wasn't good enough to motivate people to go to the theater to see Wish.
Hahahahahah
I'm officially there for you, senpai!
Shut up, Anthony
You shut it, Dick.
Make me
>I do like seeing how allowing literal terrorists on it wasn't the straw, but allowing ~~*THEM*~~ a word-in was the back breaker
The israelite Haters that Musk supported likely supported those terrorists as well.
That's odd, because I couldn't stand 15 mins of Strange World, but I've watched Wish twice.
>but I've watched Wish twice.
Why?
I don't know, I liked the first song, all of the girls are cute, the rest of the movie is meh.
But the mere fact that I was able/engaged enough to carry on 'till the end already makes it miles better than Strange World, where I couldn't pass those 15 mins. Literally repulsive.
Cute
You are the NPC that is allowing this current world
Yet autistic cartoon Youtubers like LSMark where trying to shill Disney's slop
Wait, did she like it?
Saberspark and the vehicular homicide guy hated it and they are usually pretty easy to please.
The fact that Godzilla Minus One managed to deliver such an excellent blockbuster monster movie on a fraction of a Disney movie's budget is really impressive.
Wish? More like, SHIT
idk my issue is how they railroad right into magnifico being the antagonist right away I get that they didn't want to do a twist villain but they went from 0 to 11 real quick and then slowed down so hard that i can't believe that revial was only in the first 10 minutes of a hour and a half long thing.
They did a shitty job at making him irredeemable
He is a metaphor of Walt Disney who build a animation empire and invited all kinds of people treating paying them better wages that most studios at the time even during the great depression. They still went to strike and forced the company to comply with the unions.
damn look at that schnozz
>paying them better wages
You could have two people doing the exact same job at Disney and one would make min wage while the other got six figures.
>better employees shouldn't get better wages
Frick off
>The studio's pay structure was very disorganized, with some high-ranking animators earning as much as $300 a week, while other employees made as little as $12. According to then-Disney animator Willis Pyle, "there was no rhyme or reason as to the way the guys were paid. You might be sitting next to a guy doing the same thing as you and you might be getting $20 a week more or less than him"
Don't talk about shit you know nothing about moron.
>They still went to strike and forced the company to comply with the unions.
based.
cringe
>oy vey why should I be forced to pay my employees fair wages it's annudah shoah!
Good goy, keep paying that union fee whether you want it or not, be sure to be a good golem and join our strike 😉
Damn that's a cool protest sign.
>pic
Even that would have been hypocrite, considering how Encanto's grandma basically had the same motivation, yet everyone forgave her.
She is a woman.
Redemption arcs for females, eternal damnation for males.
The fact he's light skinned, straight and male is enough of a crime to make him irredeemable in the eyes of the people who make these movies.
Is this dude really suppose to be white, or is it because he's the "antagonist"?
This screencap is hilarious because it looks like slotslights.net is part of Magnifico's royal tapestry which when you think about it is just another form of his wish granting scheme
>which when you think about it is just another form of his wish granting scheme
Explain
main character (still) has only 7 results on r34 xxx despite being a 10/10
Disney used to pay for official r34 from top fanartists. I can't find the articles anymore but a japanese artist talked openly on Twitter about their Disney contract to draw frozen porn, because they didn't understand the concept of an NDA. The money dried up so Disney stopped paying for good reviews and probably official r34 too. This movie has zero organic interest
>I can't find the articles anymore but a japanese artist talked openly on Twitter about their Disney contract to draw frozen porn, because they didn't understand the concept of an NDA
like to imagine that one Sub-Zero x Elsa SFM animation was a Disney comm tbh
>like to imagine that one Sub-Zero x Elsa SFM animation was a Disney comm tbh
FROSTY!
>disney commissioned elsa fart fetish porn along with all the other kinks
>disney commissioned elsa spiderman
Suddenly it's making a lot of sense
This is too dumb to be true
It's true, and also makes sense from a business standpoint. It's a great way to viral market.
I would not be surprised if Disney commissioned all those creepy Elsagate videos on youtube too.
>because they didn't understand the concept of an NDA
I'd love this to be true but this part honestly sounds like bullshit
Yeah, if any the Japanese are the ones who actually respect NDA agreements the most because Japan has worse draconian IP laws than even America. See Nintendo.
I remember Disney paying a Japanese artist to create art praising Frozen 2.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/disney-accused-of-snow-job-over-frozen-2-tweet-apology-11576127949
bullshit
>because they didn't understand the concept of an NDA.
What's an NDA?
Non disclosure agreement. In other words, they blabbed company secrets.
>main character (still) has only 7 results on r34 xxx despite being a 10/10
lol if she is a 10/10 in your eyes, then im scared to death of what you consider a 5/10 or below...
Well she has those hips, no?
what are these, hips for ants?
>then im scared to death of what you consider a 5/10 or below
>Not thinking Kitt's voice is pure sex
Filtered.
Brown girl ranking:
Asha: 10/10
Anne from Amphibia: 6/10
All Encanto girls: 0/10
Great to see Disney fail. Hope all the "influencers" and "critics" on their payroll lose everything.
Friendly reminder to all of you that Disney funds Israel, so it's satisfying knowing that they're failing so much, please keep making Disney lose more and more.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
I'll watch it on Disney+ in background while doing something else.
Yeowch!
>main character is visibly nigro with cornrows
>set during Muslim occupation of Spain
>released during Palestinian chimpout current year
>Made an openly suicidal character in the Mario movie
How the frick does the Mario movie have dicier elements than Wish?
Because Nintendo takes more risks
Also cute character is a nihilist is a decent punchline
I can't believe a Trolls movie has now overtaken a Disney princess musical.
I didn't think the movie would do well but I never thought it'd sink that low.
>“If this was seven years ago, you’d have to worry about Disney. But with their brand rusting, you don’t need to worry about them anymore.”
https://deadline.com/2023/11/box-office-hunger-games-songbirds-and-snakes-1235616095/
Disney isn't a powerhouse anymore and their competition knows it
I really wanna be a fly on the wall at Disney today.
To hear them react to not only losing to Dreamworks, but also to a subtitled foreign film.
>but also to a subtitled foreign film
Playing in only 2/3 the number of theaters as Wish, no less. Somehow entertainment media are ignoring this fact, or choosing not to mention Godzilla at all. They shrink from legitimate diversity in theaters.
Buncha cowards.
Great movie, too.
every time disney loses money an angel gains its wings
I wish heh that Strange World would have been a better movie. It's one of the best concepts Disney has done in their whole history, yet the movie barely did anything with it.
strange world at least had a strong concept to interest people before bait and switching them with woke gay nigversity propaganda. what did this one have? asking seriously. they marketed this movie so poorly I literally have no idea what it is or what it's about, like its entire purpose was to be put on their streaming platform and having a theater opening was only a technicality so they could throw it in for award show considerations.
>saw 10x more sexyman fanart of Tamatoa within a few days of Moana's release than I have of Magnifico
This is how you know the film is an abject failure when it fails to capture even a horny degenerate audience
Maybe,just maybe people are tired of computer animation. It was cute and novel once. Now its just tiresome and visually irritating. Those factors paired with insufferable characters and unlikable brown female leads and stupid woke shit these movies are doomed to fail. No one wants this shit. We want classic animation and good storytelling with some cute characters. Not to mention,enough with the male leads with giant bulbous noises and pathetic personalities.
I think CG animated films were novel when video games had shitty graphics but modern games have graphics so good that these movies don't feel that special anymore.
I wonder if this might partly explain the decline of CGI-heavy blockbusters in general. Cool visual effects used to be a big reason why people went to the theaters, but when every AAA videogame serves you dozens of hours of this and often with a more compelling story and characters, then why bother? 40+ audiences are too old to be impressed by “oooh, look at the shiny thing”, and younger people are getting their fix elsewhere.
My grandmother mistook Xbox 360 games for movies
Don’t be stupid. 3D animation is still plenty profitable. The problem is that Disney isn’t making movies that people want to see.
>mfw no one on Cinemaphile liked this movie besides to bash on it
>mfw they hated it so much, no one discusses how much they wanna frick Asha
Jesus Christ
Asha barely have porn, and half of it is AI made
More telling than the lack of porn, is the lack of any Japanese fanart from westaboos on Twitter. I follow a bunch of them, and I've seen literally one piece of Japanese fanart for Wish, and it's of the star. It's Strange World all over again.
That's the account? I can't figure out that sig.
Thank you, friend.
.
More Magnifico
Star twink would have dominated the East. And I heard the demo for At All Costs and yeah, that shit was meant to be a love song all along. They just changed "love" to "promise"
Star twink would unironically have hard carried this movie, seen how badly it's doing.
Amaya is hotter anyways
I want these commie fricks to suffer so badly
I can't wait to forget Wish existed like I forgot Strange World existed. Also, how lazy were those names?
"So we want to set a movie on a strange world-"
"Oh! I know! Let's call it Strange World!"
"Oh- oh. Okay. Alright. Onto the next one. We wanted to make a movie about a girl learning how to make a wish-"
"Got it. Call it Wish."
Disney's strategy to market this bomb of bombs is to gaslight the world by pretending AHCTUALLY it's a massive worldwide hit!
The tone of this promo when compared to actual box office receipts only makes it more embarrassing for Disney.
>DreamWorks movie is absolutely stomping a Disney movie in theaters
>Disney movie in question is the 100th anniversary film
>DreamWorks movie in question is fricking Trolls 3
>not only is it Trolls 3
>it's starring Amy Schumer
>Trolls 3 as of now has made nearly double what Wish has made on nearly half the budget
>Trolls 3, Adam Sandler as a lizard and a biopic made by Apple of all companies are doing better in terms of critics and revenue than Wish
Add godzilla on the list, he's not necessarily animation but it's an anniversary film that pays respect way better than wish on a fricking $15m dollar budget, and it's already made 11m of it back from the states.
And Godzilla beat them both.
In fewer theaters, no less.
Man I should hope so. Everyone knows Godzilla, Wish is a new shitty IP and everyone forgot about Trolls the moment Stone Protectors went off the air.
Godzilla was a great film though
Planning on seeing it either this week or next week.
A lot of people would have to get the boot and a lot of people with talent who aren't neobabies would have to be welcomed in for anything substantial to change.
Really? I doubt it but if so it's well deserved. Fantastic film
It was limited release, I believe.
And a 15 mil budget.
Been refreshing my country's cinema websites every day for the past few weeks and it's still not released here. Can't help but feel like I'll end up waiting for the BDs instead.
When you wish upon SKREEEEEEEEEEEONK!!
Well Disney, the numbers don't lie, looks like 3D animation is simply unprofitable, better get your pens back out and dust off those cel sheets.
2D animation for movies again would be sick. They let the artists draw exactly what they want instead of being forced to be semi-realistic. Princess and the Frog is still one of my top Disney movies and a lot of that is because of Facilier and how colorful his villain song is (another part is how enjoyable Tiana is).
3D animation still makes money. Just not Disney.
>And it doesn't make money, audiences don't like paying for hand drawn animation especially MODERN ticket prices.
And how do we know this when we haven't had a hand drawn movie in theaters in literal decades? And the few movies that did air before then were victims of blatant corporate sabotage?
It just feels like a pitiful excuse to not take risks with it. But there clearly is an audience for it, seeing how Cuphead was a massive success while priced slightly more than the average movie ticket.
I will laugh very hard if ghibli's new movie mogs wish in the states too. It feels like everyone wants to watch literally anything other than wish
>No different than Princess and the Frog a trashy black washed version of the European fairy tale the Frog Prince.
Hey, at least they changed the setting on that one instead of pretending 1200s France was up to its neck in colored royalty.
It's genuinely incredible how they did everything possible to frick up the potential of this movie. Almost like sabotage ...
No, just incompetence.
He truly did nothing wrong
It's happening.
I wonder, is there even anyone at Disney who can turn this rot around inti another Disney boom (like they usually do after a rot) or are they too far gone?
Now that we have an independent audit that has found and documented hundreds of instances of corruption, fraud, kickbacks, criminal conspiracy, and violating disclosure laws, Disney might be losing some people to disbarment, securities license revocation, and jail. So there's at least the possibility we might get new people at Disney, and they'd be able to turn things around. I said from the start, suing the state is a bad idea.
A few days ago, Disney rejected attempts by Trian and Perlmutter to install someone to the board. Their rationale was "protecting shareholder value." Well, the price is cratering now, so... yeah.
Their 100 years short was funny and wholesome, so there are still good people working there
Yes, there are still capable people at Disney. No, they won't be put in any leadership position or any relevant one, for all it matters.
I haven't watched a single Disney movie since Soul, I just don't care anymore and they don't seem to as well.
Check their last short paying tribute to their old and new characters. But skip to 00:38 or so (that way you won't have to hear the diversity hire awful dialogue).
Milo mentioned!
>I watched Wish and it's aggressively mid but the villain and the heroine have an legit love ballad between them that they tried to make non romantic by making them face away from each other to look at orbs but idk how you can look at this and not read it romantic
https://twitter.com/honeyskeleton/status/1731925660812149171
How many drafts did this movie go through?
>How many drafts did this movie go through?
Too many
The emphasis on the amount of Easter Eggs in the movie should've been warning enough that it was going to be shit. Same thing was done in the press for Haunted Mansion
Let women head something, expect it to fail. It's like letting a 12 year old girl run something. Frozen 1 and 2 only succeeded because the other director for each, a MAN, was calling the shots, unlike this movie. Disney turned this woman down multiple times before giving her this gig...and now we see why they initially turned her down.
Frozen 2 was shit, Buck controlled nothing, it only "succeeded" because Disney hadn't pissed off audiences enough yet. The production problems even drove off the Lopezes, who didn't know they were writing for Frozen 3 until the news article was published.
They need to gut most of the studio
BOOM! DID WE BLOW YOUR MIND?
You left out "Get this through your head. SOLAR!"
*system, solar
>Kjjihaihfñoeieibafuibanafihiufawejpahtfouipfbvityafb
What did the Sam Smith Turtle mean by this?
Wish is doing worse than the black cauldron
Lloyd Alexander, writer of the books the Black Cauldron was based on even thought the movie was pretty okay good. Very different from the books but on it's own merit a good fantasy adventure.
Gergi chads stay winning
How could this possibly be worse than Strange World?
I'm calling it. Disney won't change, unless Bob is fired(he won't). If not, they're just going to get a bailout, and die as a relic.
Bob alleged a few days ago that he now prioritizes storytelling over social messages, as if these two things should've ever been mutually exclusive.
Nobody will give a shit about your message if they hate or just feel indifferent towards the movie.
I heard about that. The thing is normies are aware now. If they feel burned, they're most likely not going to go back. Even my grandpa is aware things are shit now when it comes to entertainment. He told me, you're generation is fricked.
>He told me, you're generation is fricked.
That's what every grandpa says every generation
>he now prioritizes storytelling over social messages
Doubt it. He's just trying to do damage control.
It already made more money than Strange World, but not by much.
>An Emperor's new groove style sequel that revolves around Magnifico overcoming his more vain side
Would unironically be kino, but Disney would literally never do a backtrack this hard on him because of what he represents ideologically
My WISH came true, that garbage flopped hard.
At least Wish was cheap to make.
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Cheap in terms of actual production costs, not including the embezzlement.
How? Wish has more appeal than Strange World
Did it though? I mean remove the homosexualry and Strange World is still about an adventure movie about doing pulp ass exploration shit. What is Wish even really about? It's not an adventure movie. It's not a romance. It's certainly not a comedy.
Good point, it really is a movie made to appeal to no one.
It's supposed to be a modern "princess" movie like frozen.
It was SUPPOSED to be a lot of things. "Supposed tos" don't mean shit.
It didn't even have the parts that people like about princess movies. A 2000s Barbie movie is more of a princess movie than this
Holy shit, was that even possible to think with how bad Strange World did?
You know what a lot of EVIL villains in these movies don't have? An elaborate backstory. What we know about Jafar before the movie would fill a bottle cap. Maybe you gather some details but usually it ends up being some petty sibling rivalry where the evil sibling got passed over for the good one and is jealous enough for murder. Villains don't need sympathetic origins. Not for this kind of movie. Some people just lust for power for power's sake. It happens. Villains should be carried by charisma and gravitas.
>Villains don't need sympathetic origins.
It's taken decades for film writers to remember this with Puss in Boots' Jack Horner. People were praising him as a breath of fresh air for being a villain who was simply a villain.
It really shouldn't be hard.
I think it's harder than we realize. For instance, who do you make into the villain in Jack and the Beanstalk? The giant, the victim of home invasion and burglary?
You mean the giant who steals from the villages and kidnapped the magic singing harp lady. Boom done. Next challenge.
>The giant, the victim of home invasion and burglary?
It's fixed by writing him as an butthole like they did in 1940
>But he was the happiest giant when he was a child and a human hero killed his loving mother and that's why he lives alone and hates humans
Who the frick wants this
You have to have a reason why the villain does what they do. Why would the giant hate humans? You can't have it be because Jack broke into the giant's home or else Jack looks like he's in the wrong.
>You have to have a reason why the villain does what they do.
Jack can be an Aladin/Eugene type rogue with a heart of gold, and you don't need a moronic sobstory for the giant to be evil, just make him see humans as lesser animals, tye same way we do with bugs
>You have to have a reason why the villain does what they do
Yeah that's why most of the most famous villains in disney's entire filmography are motivated purely by greed and want for power. And even if you wanted to give him a reason, having a reason wouldn't make him the good guy when he's terrorizing the kingdom. These are fairy tales. The villain exists to be a metaphor for greed and reckless use of power. Genuine character growth should go to the hero because this is their story we're watching and you can frick right off with that freshman bullshit about "But good villains are the heroes of their story" because it was stupid then and it's stupid now.
>The giant, the victim of home invasion and burglary?
Jack is the size of a fly. He's a pest at worst.
>who do you make into the villain in Jack and the Beanstalk?
The butthole who sold the incredibly dangerous beans to a child
It's just subversion poisoning, if you repeat a subversion enough times it'll be just as stale as the original but inherently more pedantic and annoyingly smug since subversive twists usually relly on going against something that's held as common knowledge
No shit. These writers don’t understand that audiences prefer it when they play things straight. Sincerity can go a long way to get people to actually care about your story.
I like that he doesn't have a villain song. He just sings a refrain of Prince Ali and it's more effective because he uses it to belittle Aladdin and tear down his false image as a prince.
The only real issue I have with Aladdin is the ending. Earlier they set it up with how she can only marry someone with his approval, but then they also throw in the sultan begging Jasmine with "You've only got three more days!" The sultan has seen what the genie's power is capable of since the Genie himself was commanded by Jafar through a wish to terrorize Agrabah. And then at the end he sees Aladdin wish for the genie's freedom. It could have gone like this...
>GENIE: "I'm gonna miss you, Al. And no matter what anyone says, you'll always be a prince to me."
>SULTAN: "I should think so."
>(ALADDIN, JASMINE, and GENIE turn to face him. SULTAN steps out onto the balcony.)
>SULTAN: "Aladdin... so many men have approached me hoping to gain something by marrying my daughter Jasmine... but you are the first that I've seen who gave up everything. You have my deepest respect and gratitude. Jasmine... should you wish to marry this man, you have my blessing."
>JASMINE: "Oh thank you, father! I choose Aladdin!"
>ALADDIN: "Call me Al..."
This is why the short is so much better than Wish, it shows villains enjoying chaos and being annoyed by tenderness. And they still the show!
At all cost frustrates me because it was so close to being a beautiful love song but instead it's the villain and main character singing at the mcguffins in the most out of place musical number of the movie, there's also a few very clumsily written lyrics but that I'd overluok if the song was at least utilized properly
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A fellow man of taste. I fricking love this song and keep coming back to it despite the lyrics being imperfect.
I keep imagining it as a contrasting duet between evil crime couple Magnifico/Amaya and the pure first love affection between Star Boy/Asha. I like the idea of it being some cliche shit about how both the villain and the hero both love someone but go to different lengths to protect it.
I can't believe some absolute moron decided to scrap the evil couple idea in favor of Amaya being the blandest most useless character in the film, her literal only contribution was distracting Magnifico once, something literally anyone else could have done. Also an hammy evil couple who's actually in love with each other would have fricking swept the internet
Just like imagine him going full Gomez every other scene.
People would've been all over that shit. The company doesn't even have characters that are both evil and infatuated with each other.
I honestly can't think of too many in general. Well none that aren't in a fricked up Harley Quinn obsession. Like an actually healthy relationship evil couple.
Morticia/Gomez are the only ones I can think of. Maybe Saul/Kim, but that shit isn't fun or healthy.
I love the idea of the healthy couple that pulls their evil campy shit off together.
The Addam's family aren't evil. WTF are you on about?
I want to make a cringy animatic about it.
I like to imagine At All Cost would be a Magnifico/Evil Amaya duet but played completely straight
...I'm making it rn. Pray for me to not lose motivation
Godspeed, anon. It'll be better than anything that was in the actual movie
I've already finished stage 1: thumbnails. I've started the final draft today. SCREW PROCRASTINATION, IM MOTIVATED
Update: am I doing ya proud? (This is my first shot at an animatic)
looking good so far! I respect that you're willing to play with crazy angles when it's your first animatic.
Thanks. It’s coming together
>kronk.jpg
I’m really pushing myself for this, trying to experiment instead of playing it safe and it being all staticky. I’ll post more updates in other wish threads if ya want
Please do!
Keep posting updates, anon. This looks good as frick
Im already going to use it in my fanfiction and get my artist friendto draw a few panels for a short comic
>Frozen 2 all over again
Every song, into the unknown and etc., was clearly meant for Elsa to get shacked up with some laplander wizard character. And even if it was a contrived magical lesbians thing Disney was "too afraid" to push, that sure isn't how all the 30 something women took it crack shipping her with Jack Frost as the twilight husbando they all wanted to exist in the movie.
I forgot all about that movie and still think it's weird how INTO it some people are.
Even when squandering the books potential, Guardians is still a pretty visually striking movie.
2 pretty banging songs and female autism carry Frozen 2
>as the romance they think they never got (ignoring the directors plans to kill her, what disney actually scuttled in the midnight hour recludge)
same for guardians. They had a frost twink, simple as
For the rest of us, blender porn
>elsa finds the frost magic master tempting her in her force skype calls and it's a petulant boy mirror of her worst qualities, also isolated and feeling ostracized, and they grow past their trauma based perceptions of the world and uncover some actual lost secret about the peoples that unites everyone
or it's.... uh... her mothers fragmented spirit or something in ice hyperborea, the mother she knew and had a normal relationship with cut short by an untimely death but somehow this is closure to a nonexistant rift between them
music always comes first in Disney factory movies, then they try and make a movie that crudely fits it. Wish is what, the 5th?
I remember somebody leaking the original ending on Tumblr a while before it premiered and it was some ridiculous Avengers shit, too
>Elsa dies, implied to be a heroic sacrifice
>Movie ends with Anna staring up at the sky and thinking of Elsa
>Camera travels to the forest
>Holds on surface of lake
>Lake begins to freeze with Elsa's crystals
>Cut to credits
They really did not know what the frick they were doing
just watch as Disney assumes frozen III saves the company too. It would, but it'd need a cute boy that becomes a man like all women want
Fronzen III: The Frozen Throne: Return of Lich Queen Elsa
>wrath of the lich queen
gets rezzed by the black cauldron
Heh
The movie would be bad regardless but it's just extra sad that this was supposed to be the 100 hears triumph.
If you're reading this thread and you work at Didney, I just want you to know something important. I hate you on a personal level.
>exclude black cauldron
>black cauldron inflation adjusted made more money than wish on a smaller budget
how the turn tables
We're really seeing a lot of Cauldron gays coming out of the woodwork.
Can you blame them? They finally got the vindication they wanted so of course they're gonna gloat.
It does feel a little good. though I'm sure disney will do everything in it's power to pretend this wasn't a failure or black sheep
I love that there's nothing else to talk about this film other than the fact if flopped.