Wonder why they didn’t make more Men in Black movies with Smith and Jones?
They were all super successful. Men In Black 3 is way better than I expected it to be, I get Jones is too old for action scenes so why not just have him be the director dude and give J another partner?
I havent watched the weird spin-off with Hemsworth and black woman but it looked awful and I have not heard anyone claim it was good ever.
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1 was good, the rest was trash
no reason this needed to be a franchise
Just because 2 and 3 weren't as good doesn't make them trash.
2 was absolutely, undeniably trash. 3 was better, even though the retcons were kind of dumb but bringing back K in the second movie was a cheap ploy that tainted the rest of the series. There’s a lot of interesting stories that could have been told with the premise but it’s completely fricked now outside of a reboot.
1 > 3 > 2
>1 was good, the rest was trash
This is the default Reddit opinion on everything
FPBP
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the only correct take
1 being so good is the reason this should have been a better franchise. I can't believe how badly they dropped the ball. I blame Will Smith
I would pay extra just to not own the new one tacked into my bundle and just the trilogy
Why did the alien in the first scene of the first men in black movie try to attack the random police dude? He seemed chill with K and the other agent.
He probably understood that public knowledge of his existence would cause a panic and blow any chance of him living in earth discreetly.
This sounds like such fricking goyslop
>The film experienced a troubled production due to frequent clashes between director Gray, and producer Parkes, which began when the executive overseeing the project, Sony Executive Vice President of Production David Beaubaire, left the studio in the summer of 2018 and was not replaced.
>An early draft of the script, which Sony initially praised, and which received the attention of stars Hemsworth and Thompson, had an edgier tone than the finished film, featuring sociopolitical commentary on the current debate surrounding immigration. The main antagonists were to be an alien music group inspired by the Beatles, with the four members merging into one villain during the climax.
>Parkes, who had final cut on the film, had a heavy hand in overseeing rewrites during pre-production and filming, which he and MacDonald claimed were necessary because of the small prep time. The rewrites largely dealt with production/budget constraints (including changing several major locations), punch-ups for the actors, and reconceiving the villains. His new script pages stripped away the early draft's modern sensibilities, and were sent daily to Hemsworth and Thompson, who were both so confused that they hired their own dialogue writers. Parkes also stepped into traditional directing duties, although the Directors Guild of America did not get involved. Parkes and Gray also clashed over the color-correction process in post-production.
>Gray tried to exit the production several times but was convinced to stay by Sony. The studio tested two cuts—one by Gray, the other by Parkes—and Parkes' was chosen as the theatrical cut
Why the frick would they want the Beatles to be the villains? This sounds moronic
Famous person you thought was human… is actually le alien
They were just inspired by the Beatles… whatever that means. Seems mean spirited and tasteless regardless. Imagine if they had some Elvis alien who was killing people.
Beatles were shit and overrated. horrible people.
>Elvis alien who was killing people
You just know they would go for the fat Elvis
Elvis isn't dead, he just went home.
>sociopolitical commentary on the current debate surrounding immigration
Not a single soul watched this piece of ABSOLUTE goyslop.
I did. It was largely unpleasant because there are trace amounts of what made MiB movies good but they are few and far between. I can barely remember anything about the nu movie aside from the desperation with which they are trying to force the viewer to like the girl.
Why were they trying to make Tessa Thompson a star for like 4 years? She’s ugly as frick and acts the same always
Hemsworth is at least handsome and can play funny (and is a good actor when given the right kind of role. I loved him in Rush) even though Hemsworth has never really had much box office success outside of Marvel.
I don’t think that’s on Hemsworth, those Netflix Extraction movies do super well. So his agent needs to get him better projects
at least she has a porn lookalike
I prefer Willow Ryder who looks like a cross between Tessa, Rose Byrne & that hacker chick on Monarch that enjoys gay Flash dick.
She was perfect before the surgery.
You are faceblind.
>She’s ugly as frick
More like sexy as frick.
I'd hate frick this slampig until Westworld becomes real.
>here's that norse goddess I was telling you about
>She’s ugly as frick
I swear, closeted gays talking about women will never not be funny.
>closeted gays
LMAO. Cinemaphile ought to have the highest percentage of actual females on Cinemaphile.
>I swear, closeted gays talking about women will never not be funny.
Wouldn't mind those lips on my wiener.
Just go to prison and become a shotcaller then
>Why were they trying to make Tessa Thompson a star for like 4 years? She’s ugly as frick and acts the same always
Nepotism, as always
she checked all the boxes. vaguely intelligent-sounding gay feminist brave independent black womyn with androgynous undertones to fit the trans messaging.
>men in black
>men
>somehow femoid shoved itself in there
I hate this trope so much. A brotherhood between men is replaced by w*men. No matter how much israeliteliwood tries to shove it, men and women are different, men are fun when they are with men and women are boring stiff doll creature that cannot be as fun as men irl.
The first movie literally ended with a woman becoming an agent.
Linda Fiorentino was so hot in the 90s. The Last Seduction is good shit.
She would have been in the sequel too if she wasn't so difficult to work with.
whats with this obsession of shoving politics into everything including dumb action movies that are meant to be fun? why? just why? they are trying to kill escapism arent they?
It makes them feel smart. They are not making just some product, but ART with a message.
is the message that they are a bunch of raging homosexuals?
This. They have such massive egos that they can't enjoy anything but whatever half-assed shit they "create". That's why they like to mock, corrupt or "subvert" everything so much, they can't handle other people's ideas and passions, specially if those don't align with their own "ideas".
Creative industries haven't been headed by people who are creative and capable for about 10 years. They all got shafted in the culture war and replaced with useful idiot bugmen and now you're seeing the result. It's fricking over.
They are trying to kill escapism because of their demoralisation agenda.
Eh it was alright but I’m dumb as frick and probably didn’t notice all the propaganda in it
>actor loves initial script and signs on to do it
>studio meddling rewrites the entire thing halfway through and makes it cringe
>actors is confused but already locked in
many. MANY such cases
>actor liked anti trump pro illegal immigration script that made the villain into a Beatles parody
They got what they fricking deserved
They should have committed to the 21 jump street one
I don’t really understand what the premise of that was meant to be
How were they supposed to crossover?
This. Let Lord and Miller direct it and it would've been kino
>Wonder why they didn’t make more Men in Black movies with Smith and Jones?
Because before the MCU people made movies when they had new stories to tell instead of just shitting out annual releases that are all filmed before the scripts are even completed.
What are you talking about? Off the top of my head I can name like 5 franchises from the 70’s onwards.
MIB especially seemed primed for sequels because the scope of stories in its universe is so wide. MIB3 feels so different to 1 and 2. The biggest failure of 2 is it feels too generic and low effort IMO.
Dumbest part of 1 is the ending where K gets neuralysed and retires and that morgue lady becomes J’s partner. I can’t even remember if they explained why he wasn’t with her in the sequel when J brings him back into MIB
>I can’t even remember if they explained why he wasn’t with her in the sequel when J brings him back into MIB
I think J makes a single mention that she asked him to wipe her memory so that she can back to her old life.
I meant K’s love interest, not the morgue lady. I don’t remember if she died in between movies. Or K and her broke up, or if it ain’t mentioned.
I think the reason morgue lady who became an agent didn’t come back at all is because the actress basically left Hollywood and stopped doing any real roles right after MIB
K’s wife basically left him before II, which is why he’s so focussed on his work at the post office. The idea is that he was still the same as he was in MiB he just shifted focus
Tommy Lee Jones thought they were gay as frick and pretty much improvised most of his lines because he thought the premise was stupid and refused to take it seriously.
So you're saying... that he could not sanction their buffoonery?
Indeed
Jones is notoriously difficult to work for and was probably even more so when working on slop films.
Second movie was shit and did poorly. In many fans' eyes it even damaged the first movie. Also, Will Smith became a top celebrity and thus expensive. So they waited for a decade until the hate for the second one died down.
But by that time Jones was pushing 70 and lacked both the physique to do action scenes as well as the energy to have a good back and forth with Will Smith.
Is the rumor true about the MiB II ending being cut? Supposedly the Twin Towers opened up and alien ships came out of them. That would explain why it had such a short runtime of 1 hr 30 min.
If true, that would be the holy grail of lost media.
>Principal photography began on June 11, 2001 and ended on September 23, 2001. The climax of the story was originally filmed against a backdrop of the twin towers of the original World Trade Center; but after the September 11 attacks, the climactic scene was reworked to being at the Statue of Liberty. Other scenes incorporating views of the twin towers likewise were edited, or reshot.[6][7] Filming for Men in Black II was also suspended due to the attacks
They changed the location of the ending but nothing they cut or altered would have extended the run time that much more than it was in the end. Just seems like they wanted it shorter to boost times it could be shown per day
I'm still curious if they had already shot all of the scenes with the WTC. I would love to see it.
I also wonder if the same thing happened to Raimi's Spiderman. There's the infamous teaser trailer that features the WTC, but you just know that they had to have filmed scenes for the movie itself with the WTC.
The Spider-Man 2 Enter Electro game. While not a direct film adaptation. Was clearly heavily taking from it. In it you originally fought electro on top of the twin towers.
My assumption is either Green Goblin has his heart to heart with Spider-Man on top of the towers originally, or they have their final fight there. Perhaps falling through the roof as they fight it out
I feel like men in black could be rebooted as a tv or streaming series. It has enough room for reoccurring characters and a police procedural style of investigating occurrences that would fit in a multi episode format.
It would be too expensive with all the alien costumes and CGI.
Only way budget could work with aliens and effects is animation.
recently rewatched this cartoon, first season holds up great but there's a massive decline in quality after that and the last season is basically unwatchable
> Men In Black 3 is way better than I expected it to be
Only one of the three that followed an internal logic
What part of 1 didn’t follow internal logic?
Also 3 didn’t totally make sense if you think about the time travel stuff, off the top of my head
>boris the animal is pissed because his whole parasitic species died off because they couldn’t invade earth to feast on it because Apollo 11 put the Arcnet shield in orbit in 1969
>start of movie before J travels back shows them invading in the current day
Surely if they’d starved to death due to the arcnet, they would have planned to have invaded not long after 1969. How did they starve otherwise.
> 37 hour work day
Philosophy can’t override biology
people don't like federal agents anymore because of Jeffrey Epstein
>I havent watched the weird spin-off with Hemsworth and black woman but it looked awful and I have not heard anyone claim it was good ever.
I saw it, it wasn't terrible but it was extremely forgettable. I couldn't tell you anything about it other than I thought it was overhated but one of the most "it's just ok" movies I've ever seen. Definitely a massive downgrade from MIB3 though.
>4 movies
>Only the first was good
Will Smith was at the peak of his popularity at that time and he had to reject roles from The Matrix to do stuff like Wild Wild West and Ali
I don't know why the cartoon wasn't more successful, probably because they kept writing the same 3 stories but it had alot of potential, especially if they made the show serialized. Season arcs, changing cast, it could have been big
>changing cast
They did add two new main characters (the alien agent and the alien scientist) in the last season.
I actually agree Tessa looked bad in much of Ragnarok but she looked vastly vastly better in MIBI & L&T.
behead coombrains
I love the first Men In Black film. The second film and the third film are good, but not as good as the first film. And International is complete and utter garbage. That said, there should not have been any Men In Black sequels because the first Men In Black film works perfectly well as a standalone film. For this reason, I don't consider the sequels to be canon.
Not everything needs to be a huge franchise. I'm glad Smith and Jones stopped while they were ahead.
The first 2 were good. The third was meh. No need to keep beating a dead horse.
TLJ is entering his dont give a frick Nicholson years
Will Smith is the current king JUST in the worlds eyes and no one will take him seriously in a action role these days
the only solution is a total reboot more in line with the original comic where J&K are psychotic Glowies who cover shit up in gruesome ways and deal with more supernatural occult shit than just aliens
They'd never. Only if Sony loses the ip and some small company gets it.
>I get Jones is too old for action scenes so why not just have him be the director dude and give J another partner?
Tommy boy doesn't play well with others. Probably put up with Will Smith since he was black and couldn't get him axed as well.
>Fiorentino’s character was written out of the 2002 sequel to Men in Black in order to accommodate the return of Tommy Lee Jones as the co-lead of the film and partner to Will Smith’s character. According to producer Laurie MacDonald, "It turned out not to be a big enough role. We would have loved to have her, but when we began to develop the story, we couldn't find a [major] place for her. We always knew that the movie would be about bringing Tommy Lee Jones back." Kristin Lopez, writing for RogerEbert.com, suggested that Jones' return was in fact contingent upon Fiorentino's absence, and that the studio responded to this stipulation accordingly.
They should have just made that 21 Jump Street x Men In Black movie Jonah Hill pitched.
well at least you get to look at post-birth big-boobed rebecca ferguson wearing a thin dress in the 4th movie
>post-birth
Wut?
a woman's boobs get temporarily bigger after giving birth
The best MIB sequel was Wild Wild West.
Do you think MIB pay well? I mean they have essentially limitless money.
I think they pay decently, but it’s more perks and enjoying the job. When you retire you either die or get neuralysed. Not much you can do with a ton of money if you’re 70+ anyway.
Plus you’ve basically given up any chance at having a wife and kids etc
why they keep trying to shove into our throats the whole idea of ip extension.
the first movie was the most memorable one, second and third I could barely remember. the fourth/spinoff/reboot whatever was just fine but forgettable as well. maybe they are all forgettable because I haven't watched these movies in while