Jude Law wasn't the star of the movie, Chris Pine has literally most of the speaking parts of Wonder Woman, and he's not the antagonist like Law was.
WW84 was just women fighting women and the female audience stayed at home.
>Jude Law wasn't the star of the movie, Chris Pine has literally most of the speaking parts of Wonder Woman, and he's not the antagonist like Law was.
Having both Chris Pine and Jude Law in a movie is like giving coomers a threesome scene where one girl has phenomenal ass and the other phenomenal breasts. You pick up different parts of the same demographic
>the first captain marvel had jude law in it
And he was the punching bag, the evil white male. Just like Ewan in Birds of Prey just absolute emasculation.
Chris Pine was the romantic interest, bangs princess Diana and is the hero at the end
>ust like Ewan in Birds of Prey just absolute emasculation.
pretty sure that was zsasz, ewan was kino in that piece of shit. also the reason he met mary and now they're married with a kid.
>Why?
Because it's a movie about hunky Steve Trevor leading some chick around by the arm for 2 hours?
All women dream of being a repressed Princess under their mother's tyrannical thumb and being swept to faraway places by a handsome foreign prince.
Male fantasy is on point but that definition of female fantasy hasn't been true for many years. They're into "ordinary woman has a harem of gigachads fighting for her attention" trope now.
I work at an office mainly full of old women, like 40+. Wonder Woman is the single female superhero they know, and a lot of them watched that 70s show when they were growing up and view her as a feminist idol.
That's like, the single "marvel" movie they've ever went to see.
Nobody else will ever have a chance.
This is also true. Wonder Woman is by far the most known female comic book character next to Catwoman.
"Captain Marvel" had been the name of several men, both in Marvel and DC. Some normies might've known her from her brief appearance in the X-Men cartoon but that's about it.
Wonder Woman is a magical Princess story, Disney has made gorillions selling magical princess to girls. Captain Marvel is just "patriarchy bad" featuring a woman who doesn't seem to even want a boyfriend, let alone a Prince.
Because Wonder Woman is about a heroic character who stands up and shows courage in the face of overwhelming odds, using their power to help people.
Captain Marvel is all about how she's the victim and everybody tries to hold her back from her potential. It's all about her, and she's stoic and unfeeling for most of it.
Wonder Woman is about a guy leading a super-powered island hick around by the arm, with a confusing ending that doesn't make anything clear about War at all. Both are pretty badly written, but Wonder Woman has MAGICAL PRINCESS you remember when your brother made you watch Superfriends every Saturday.
>with a confusing ending that doesn't make anything clear about War at all
what was confusing about it? Ares was literally responsible for the war breaking out and directly influenced certain battles, when he died the soldiers were free of his influence and lost their sense of malice. of course the fighting still happened since the damage was already done and dug in at that point, but that specific battle had come to an abrupt halt.
what's really gonna shake your noggin is that you realize wonder woman, thor ragnarok, aquaman and black panther are all the same fricking film with few differences, and all released within a 2 year window of each other.
Not to mention the fact that they kill the God of War, and this supposedly ends WW1, but it leads almost immediately into WW2, which Wonder Woman just sits out for raisins.
This, everyone believed that some important bits about the most anticipated superhero movie of all time were going to be revealed in Captain Marvel.
The Marvels is disappointing even on the level of being a sequel to that bait-and-switch, as they whole Kree War/conflict with the Supreme Intelligence is reduced to a 30 second flashback, so we can get back to pointless mother-daughter drama an Kamala's parents for the umpteenth time.
See the difference here is stark; the blonde woman's clothes are struggling to contain her sexual curves. Whereas Gadot's undies are specifically tailored to try and make something out of the sparse and pathetic body she has to offer.
I'll admit, with professional hard work and the right angles, Gadot is not ugly. Mostly in the face.
Wonder Woman also makes the smart move of >Setting the movie during World War I when women had significantly less rights and the audience can laugh at the sexism as archaic
Whereas Captain Marvel's approach is >Sexism NOW is bad. This super-powered, stoic grump is the biggest victim in the universe and she's gonna show all the men putting her down how powerful she is.
Wonder Woman travels all the way across to England from the Mediterranean, walks into a room full of guys to deliver a message that will save the whole planet, and sulks off after they laugh at her. Doesn't even display her superhuman powers that might convince them. Just walks out there with a story and when it doesn't work in 1 minute she's done.
Women need a hot guy in their movie, that is why more women went to Aquaman than men as well. Women don't give a frick about 3 dumpy lesbians flying around.
There was a male / female relationship first of all. People tend to like seeing characters that aren’t sexless egalitarian robots depicted in screen. And despite their vast power difference, with her being godlike, they both relied on one another and helped on another, they also both cared about each other. But it’s nice, as a man, to know that the female character relies on and needs the male character for something. If she is 100% perfect without him then it doesn’t really work. This is why the first Wonder Woman worked and the second didn’t, yes she cared about him and loved him but he was just a useless person in that second film. Resurrection story issues aside, we can’t imagine him with her, it doesn’t work, what value can he provide for her? With these new Disney films literally no women need any male character for anything. They are all superior heroes in every conceivable way, especially physically. Male characters are often embarrassed and humiliated. Young men and boys pay good money for movies like so that they can relax, watch a fantasy film and self insert as a powerful character. Instead they are presented with the main character being sidelined and super powerful female characters take their place that have absolutely no use for men whatsoever and are better than them in every possible way, and throughout the film are a spattering if ball-cutting scenes where men are explicitly put down and attacked by women. Nobody wants to see this. Not women. Not men. Nobody likes this shit.
>Warners’ marketing plan worked: Aquaman grossed $105.7M over the five-day holiday (including previews), winning females over in a big way with F25+ giving the DC superhero pic its best gender score of 84% on ComScore/Screen Engine’s PostTrak plus its best definite recommend of any gender demo at 71%. Moms turned out in greater numbers than Dads, 56% to 44% and enjoyed Aquaman more, 91% to 85%. Women also graded Aquaman with an A- CinemaScore, a number that was equal to men.
Wonder Woman was a success because it's about a warrior princess who goes on an adventure and falls in love in a forbidden romance with a mortal man, while dressed in a way that complimented her figure without feeling sexualised.
Same reason women liked Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad but not in Birds of Prey. It's because she's a bipolar mess in an abusive relationship. Most women can relate. Not because all women have bpd but because a lot of them have been in abusive relationships and have lashed out in unhealthy ways in healthy relationships.
Essentially, Harley gave a voice to that side of the female experience that is ignored and glossed over. And she looked great while doing so.
Birds of Prey destroyed that. She no longer looked great and there was no relationship. It was just a psycho wannabe-Deadpool running around and fighting people while laughing. What is there to draw female audiences into that film? What can they relate to?
Remember, the differences between the genders can essentially be summed up as men seeing fiction and wanting to replicate it, while women want fiction to replicate their reality. So if you want to market a film towards a woman, it has to actually showcase something that makes her feel connected to the character/story
>Women are nuanced individuals who see movies based off of stories they relate to and aren't just gonna eat up a movie cause it has a bunch of female leads
So what you're saying is that we should give Brie Larson an abusive boyfriend
>So what you're saying is that we should give Brie Larson an abusive boyfriend
this needs to be the basis of all female characters in a movie. take bix from andor for example, even though she's useless and doesn't have an arc or anything, she still has a shithead boyfriend who pumps her on the regular and provides her with food, shelter and a job in return, and that allows women irl to relate to her.
He's saying if you are going to make a fantasy movie for women, it needs to cater to female fantasies. Women don't care much about HULK SMASH stuff. see
Here's your answer right here, courtesy of Neil Gaiman.
>Women are nuanced individuals who see movies based off of stories they relate to and aren't just gonna eat up a movie cause it has a bunch of female leads
So what you're saying is that we should give Brie Larson an abusive boyfriend
Giving Captain Marvel an abusive boyfriend would do wonders for actually giving her character depth. It would allow character to have the problem of saving everyone else but not herself. Maybe the reason she's so headstrong and passionate abut justice is because she's projecting her own inability to sort out her life by sorting out the universe?
And it would send a fantastic message. A demigod who's being abused by some weak twit, confirming to women (and men) everywhere that being abused doesn't make you weak.
It's probably not what I'd do to fix the character but it's definitely a better idea than have her be a blank slate with no personality
Killing Ares doesn't stop the war. The war was already about lost. They tell that to Colonial Schnitzengruber played by Danny Huston. The thing with the bombs was a last ditch effort.
So many reasons.
I'd say that between the two movies Brie Larson being a much better actor than Gal Gadot is all Capatain Marvel had going for it. The story was this rushed excuse to explain that Captain Marvel has been around for decades but never bothered to show up to help the earth after fricking off for some 20-25 years. The movie itself was this quick gloss over and massive change of her origins because...reasons. Costume was shit and I don't mean compared to Miss Marvel or the classic miss Marvel look, I mean on it's own merits it was a shit baggy flight suit looking piece of trash.
Wonder Woman at least Even though I think the setting was shit and villains poorly utilized, had the benefit of a director that at least liked Wonder Woman to some degree and sticking mainly to her actual origin. Not to mention their was a huge campaign aimed at women to make sure they saw this. Women were herded into theaters for the WW movie with free all female screenings, a huge deal was made about it being the first female lead cape movie, about WW deserving the same fame and adulation as Superman and Batman. More effort was made but also, even though I didn't like it, it was a better movie than Captain Marvel.
Women usually don't go to movies to see action schlock and just putting women on the screen won't solve that. They like interpersonal relationships,including romance.
The problem is the people behind this movies are in denial about gender preferences. They think that women don't watch action movies because it's a bunch of dudes.
Chris Pine romance subplot
the first captain marvel had jude law in it and he was voted sexiest man some time ago.
Yeah but he was a villain. This is a relationship.
Jude Law wasn't the star of the movie, Chris Pine has literally most of the speaking parts of Wonder Woman, and he's not the antagonist like Law was.
WW84 was just women fighting women and the female audience stayed at home.
>Jude Law wasn't the star of the movie, Chris Pine has literally most of the speaking parts of Wonder Woman, and he's not the antagonist like Law was.
Having both Chris Pine and Jude Law in a movie is like giving coomers a threesome scene where one girl has phenomenal ass and the other phenomenal breasts. You pick up different parts of the same demographic
>the first captain marvel had jude law in it
And he was the punching bag, the evil white male. Just like Ewan in Birds of Prey just absolute emasculation.
Chris Pine was the romantic interest, bangs princess Diana and is the hero at the end
>ust like Ewan in Birds of Prey just absolute emasculation.
pretty sure that was zsasz, ewan was kino in that piece of shit. also the reason he met mary and now they're married with a kid.
Male writers have to realize that women look at male characters like men look at female characters: How frickable are they?
>birds of prey
Why did you make me remember this shit exists
>he was voted sexiest man some time ago
Before his hairline went to shit
unironically this. picture how dour the movie would be without steve trevor
it has Women in the title
This. Nobody knows who the frick Captain Marvel is except for comic book nerds and other homosexuals.
>older woman
>over 25
Industry news just confirmed the wall is real
wonder woman is a known character to normies and lynda carter made her a sex symbol, brie brought nothing to the table.
it had chris pine or someone like that as "le handsome soldier man" for women to drool over
>Why?
Because it's a movie about hunky Steve Trevor leading some chick around by the arm for 2 hours?
All women dream of being a repressed Princess under their mother's tyrannical thumb and being swept to faraway places by a handsome foreign prince.
Here's your answer right here, courtesy of Neil Gaiman.
Male fantasy is on point but that definition of female fantasy hasn't been true for many years. They're into "ordinary woman has a harem of gigachads fighting for her attention" trope now.
I work at an office mainly full of old women, like 40+. Wonder Woman is the single female superhero they know, and a lot of them watched that 70s show when they were growing up and view her as a feminist idol.
That's like, the single "marvel" movie they've ever went to see.
Nobody else will ever have a chance.
This is also true. Wonder Woman is by far the most known female comic book character next to Catwoman.
"Captain Marvel" had been the name of several men, both in Marvel and DC. Some normies might've known her from her brief appearance in the X-Men cartoon but that's about it.
Wonder Woman is a magical Princess story, Disney has made gorillions selling magical princess to girls. Captain Marvel is just "patriarchy bad" featuring a woman who doesn't seem to even want a boyfriend, let alone a Prince.
Because Wonder Woman is about a heroic character who stands up and shows courage in the face of overwhelming odds, using their power to help people.
Captain Marvel is all about how she's the victim and everybody tries to hold her back from her potential. It's all about her, and she's stoic and unfeeling for most of it.
Wonder Woman is about a guy leading a super-powered island hick around by the arm, with a confusing ending that doesn't make anything clear about War at all. Both are pretty badly written, but Wonder Woman has MAGICAL PRINCESS you remember when your brother made you watch Superfriends every Saturday.
What's confusing about the ending?
>with a confusing ending that doesn't make anything clear about War at all
what was confusing about it? Ares was literally responsible for the war breaking out and directly influenced certain battles, when he died the soldiers were free of his influence and lost their sense of malice. of course the fighting still happened since the damage was already done and dug in at that point, but that specific battle had come to an abrupt halt.
what's really gonna shake your noggin is that you realize wonder woman, thor ragnarok, aquaman and black panther are all the same fricking film with few differences, and all released within a 2 year window of each other.
The movie plays back-and-forth with the whole idea of "Magic God is responsible", "no, Man is le War", no wait "It magically ends with Ares' death".
Not to mention the fact that they kill the God of War, and this supposedly ends WW1, but it leads almost immediately into WW2, which Wonder Woman just sits out for raisins.
Women have no fricking clue who Captain marvel is, marvel manchildren got the movie to 1b
This, everyone believed that some important bits about the most anticipated superhero movie of all time were going to be revealed in Captain Marvel.
The Marvels is disappointing even on the level of being a sequel to that bait-and-switch, as they whole Kree War/conflict with the Supreme Intelligence is reduced to a 30 second flashback, so we can get back to pointless mother-daughter drama an Kamala's parents for the umpteenth time.
One was cool and one was shit. Simple. Why continue with this obsession?
There were about 5-6 minutes of coolness in Wonder Woman.
wonder woman is sexy and attractive and has a good body. women want to fantasize being her.
brie larson is a flat plank with a bad personality. nobody wants to be her.
You are talking about comic Wonder Woman, Gadot is a plank in a costume with fake hips and boobs who can't even suppress her bad accent.
>Gadot is a plank
This anon is delusional. Get him to the infirmary.
That padded push-up deserves the Oscar.
Homosexuals
Now that blonde gal, she has something going on.
Not that giant stick with the weird head tho.
See the difference here is stark; the blonde woman's clothes are struggling to contain her sexual curves. Whereas Gadot's undies are specifically tailored to try and make something out of the sparse and pathetic body she has to offer.
I'll admit, with professional hard work and the right angles, Gadot is not ugly. Mostly in the face.
i'm a gay for having better taste in women than you? the only thing flatter than gal is milla.
>pushup bra
>tight panties to make her bony ass pop out
jidf go
This. Watching her flounce around in that fake hard plastic bosom in Wonder Woman is unironically hilarious.
Wonder Woman also makes the smart move of
>Setting the movie during World War I when women had significantly less rights and the audience can laugh at the sexism as archaic
Whereas Captain Marvel's approach is
>Sexism NOW is bad. This super-powered, stoic grump is the biggest victim in the universe and she's gonna show all the men putting her down how powerful she is.
Wonder Woman travels all the way across to England from the Mediterranean, walks into a room full of guys to deliver a message that will save the whole planet, and sulks off after they laugh at her. Doesn't even display her superhuman powers that might convince them. Just walks out there with a story and when it doesn't work in 1 minute she's done.
Women need a hot guy in their movie, that is why more women went to Aquaman than men as well. Women don't give a frick about 3 dumpy lesbians flying around.
There was a male / female relationship first of all. People tend to like seeing characters that aren’t sexless egalitarian robots depicted in screen. And despite their vast power difference, with her being godlike, they both relied on one another and helped on another, they also both cared about each other. But it’s nice, as a man, to know that the female character relies on and needs the male character for something. If she is 100% perfect without him then it doesn’t really work. This is why the first Wonder Woman worked and the second didn’t, yes she cared about him and loved him but he was just a useless person in that second film. Resurrection story issues aside, we can’t imagine him with her, it doesn’t work, what value can he provide for her? With these new Disney films literally no women need any male character for anything. They are all superior heroes in every conceivable way, especially physically. Male characters are often embarrassed and humiliated. Young men and boys pay good money for movies like so that they can relax, watch a fantasy film and self insert as a powerful character. Instead they are presented with the main character being sidelined and super powerful female characters take their place that have absolutely no use for men whatsoever and are better than them in every possible way, and throughout the film are a spattering if ball-cutting scenes where men are explicitly put down and attacked by women. Nobody wants to see this. Not women. Not men. Nobody likes this shit.
>Warners’ marketing plan worked: Aquaman grossed $105.7M over the five-day holiday (including previews), winning females over in a big way with F25+ giving the DC superhero pic its best gender score of 84% on ComScore/Screen Engine’s PostTrak plus its best definite recommend of any gender demo at 71%. Moms turned out in greater numbers than Dads, 56% to 44% and enjoyed Aquaman more, 91% to 85%. Women also graded Aquaman with an A- CinemaScore, a number that was equal to men.
https://deadline.com/2018/12/aquaman-jason-momoa-marketing-won-women-over-1202525963/
Wonder Woman was a success because it's about a warrior princess who goes on an adventure and falls in love in a forbidden romance with a mortal man, while dressed in a way that complimented her figure without feeling sexualised.
Same reason women liked Harley Quinn in Suicide Squad but not in Birds of Prey. It's because she's a bipolar mess in an abusive relationship. Most women can relate. Not because all women have bpd but because a lot of them have been in abusive relationships and have lashed out in unhealthy ways in healthy relationships.
Essentially, Harley gave a voice to that side of the female experience that is ignored and glossed over. And she looked great while doing so.
Birds of Prey destroyed that. She no longer looked great and there was no relationship. It was just a psycho wannabe-Deadpool running around and fighting people while laughing. What is there to draw female audiences into that film? What can they relate to?
Remember, the differences between the genders can essentially be summed up as men seeing fiction and wanting to replicate it, while women want fiction to replicate their reality. So if you want to market a film towards a woman, it has to actually showcase something that makes her feel connected to the character/story
>Women are nuanced individuals who see movies based off of stories they relate to and aren't just gonna eat up a movie cause it has a bunch of female leads
So what you're saying is that we should give Brie Larson an abusive boyfriend
>So what you're saying is that we should give Brie Larson an abusive boyfriend
this needs to be the basis of all female characters in a movie. take bix from andor for example, even though she's useless and doesn't have an arc or anything, she still has a shithead boyfriend who pumps her on the regular and provides her with food, shelter and a job in return, and that allows women irl to relate to her.
He's saying if you are going to make a fantasy movie for women, it needs to cater to female fantasies. Women don't care much about HULK SMASH stuff. see
Overwhelming physical power is a male fantasy.
This
Giving Captain Marvel an abusive boyfriend would do wonders for actually giving her character depth. It would allow character to have the problem of saving everyone else but not herself. Maybe the reason she's so headstrong and passionate abut justice is because she's projecting her own inability to sort out her life by sorting out the universe?
And it would send a fantastic message. A demigod who's being abused by some weak twit, confirming to women (and men) everywhere that being abused doesn't make you weak.
It's probably not what I'd do to fix the character but it's definitely a better idea than have her be a blank slate with no personality
Killing Ares doesn't stop the war. The war was already about lost. They tell that to Colonial Schnitzengruber played by Danny Huston. The thing with the bombs was a last ditch effort.
Jezebel died so Feminists don't know what media is supposed to be consumed.
Wonder Woman fell in love (with a man) and displayed emotions. Captain Marvel was a stoic sexless loner.
No one hates women more than other women
So many reasons.
I'd say that between the two movies Brie Larson being a much better actor than Gal Gadot is all Capatain Marvel had going for it. The story was this rushed excuse to explain that Captain Marvel has been around for decades but never bothered to show up to help the earth after fricking off for some 20-25 years. The movie itself was this quick gloss over and massive change of her origins because...reasons. Costume was shit and I don't mean compared to Miss Marvel or the classic miss Marvel look, I mean on it's own merits it was a shit baggy flight suit looking piece of trash.
Wonder Woman at least Even though I think the setting was shit and villains poorly utilized, had the benefit of a director that at least liked Wonder Woman to some degree and sticking mainly to her actual origin. Not to mention their was a huge campaign aimed at women to make sure they saw this. Women were herded into theaters for the WW movie with free all female screenings, a huge deal was made about it being the first female lead cape movie, about WW deserving the same fame and adulation as Superman and Batman. More effort was made but also, even though I didn't like it, it was a better movie than Captain Marvel.
Women usually don't go to movies to see action schlock and just putting women on the screen won't solve that. They like interpersonal relationships,including romance.
The problem is the people behind this movies are in denial about gender preferences. They think that women don't watch action movies because it's a bunch of dudes.
because gal gadot is cute
#rehiregalgadot