Won't you like it when boring millennials try to present their uninspiring lifestyles as unique and quirky in their comics?
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Won't you like it when boring millennials try to present their uninspiring lifestyles as unique and quirky in their comics?
>it's yet another painfully dull comic based on a firstoid's humdrum life
yaaaaaaaaaaawn
Many such cases
I remember when a chad comic book artist told an "aspiring" female author who wanted someone to draw her own life that she was just a young woman from New Jersey and that's the least interesting thing on earth from Tumblr. She was pretty mad and blamed him for being a bigot.
> she was just a young woman from New Jersey and that's the least interesting thing on earth
I feel like that's what something Alan Moore would say.
The for this one is good, at least.
And a few decent jokes.
Why are all American indie comics either license shit, movie pitches, or the most boring white middle class person’s autobio?
because they are the sort of people who are narcissistic enough to think that their lives are worthy enough to make into a comic even though it's not and when someone mentions that they always try the hide behind the excuse of coming of age or self healing experience sort of shit.
They all want to make the next Blankets.
They're not.
A significant portion are, and that's the problem.
Why is that a problem? There are tons that are not.
Got percents? Or just b***hing like an old woman with nothing else to do
Because you didn't read them.
>either license shit, movie pitches, or the most boring white middle class person’s autobio
Or expy capeshit, or degenerate ultraviolent shit with hideous art, or furry shit, or boring slice of life, or druggie nonsense, or scribbly punkporn, or passion project shit, or etc.
Death to indieshit!
Long live corporate capeslop! Give me HFCS, or give me death!
I hate when the entire industry is divided between copy paste capeshit and copy paste indie shit. But I always take cape over this uninspiring autobiographic crap.
Good thing those aren't your options then, huh?
There are more good "indie" comics than there are good cape comics, but you really have to go out of your way to look for them. And they aren't autobio, license shit, or movie pitches.
>good "Indie" comics
>either shitty crime, horror or both in a rural setting
nah.
So now horror and crime aren't acceptable either?
they're not unless these writers come to find something different other than generic "former cop on rural Nebraska finds a shadow cult on woods" premise. It's always the same copypaste bullshit which leeches off from more successful series.
I can't really think of too many series like that. Sounds like a problem you're inventing.
>I can't really think of too many series like that.
You're probably not into that indie then. here, let's see some of the new titles which I've picked randomly form a comic book reading site:
>The panic: zombie horror
>Bone Orchard: Tenement: urban horror
>Terrorwar: sci-fi horror
>Immortal Sergeant: criminal thriller
>Black’s Myth: The Key to His Heart: lovecraftian horror
>Earthdivers: sci-fi horror
>Newburn: crime thriller
now, see a pattern here? Indie genre is relaying WAY TOO HEAVILY to horror that it's oversaturated with generic crap like these above. At this point, it's really no better than cape.
And all of those are "former cop on rural Nebraska finds a shadow cult on woods"? Because that's what you were complaining about.
"former cop on rural Nebraska finds a shadow cult on woods" is a generic premise which all of these comics have in mind. it doesn't have to be based on it exactly, but it's written with the same spirit. the problem is with the horror genre, it's becoming way too common and a staple for indie publishers. that's the troubling issue in here.
So you're just inventing problems? Execution is more important than premise anyway.
I can see that you like eating shit so I won't force you doing it.
Ok, ESL
>imma ask for things from other anons which I don't even have the same opinion just to steal everybody's time
I hope you get a kitchen accident and live with a 3rd degree burn for the rest of your life.
I didn't ask for anything. And this thread is already a waste of time.
Why indulge with an argument if you're already against it anyway? Do you want to get attention, did papi touched you while you were young? What's your fricking problem anyway? Why are you even in this thread? What kind of a fricking moron are you?
>Why indulge with an argument if you're already against it anyway?
Do you understand what an argument is? The only reason to have an argument is if you disagree with someone.
I will not have any of this passive aggressive treatment from you fricko. You will learn to hate horror indie.
Unlike you, I don't fixate on things I don't like. I'll continue to read Vacuum Decay and enjoy it.
More than half of that stuff is just a badly written homage to 80's grind house movies or Lovecraft. It feels like every indie comic is like a shitty version of Something is Killing the Children nowadays.
Most of the ones you're thinking of are movie/tv pitches.
>when it's about people who had actual life experiences
Yes, but the writer also has to be good. Life experience isn't enough.
>Most of the ones you're thinking of are movie/tv pitches.
Please show me a good indie horror written after 2010 which is not a movie/tv pitch and actually readable. Because I can't seem to find any.
I haven't read them yet, but probably the ones by Brubaker with Phillips.
I kind of like 1 and done indie comics. Are there any general websites for them?
autobios are only interesting when it's about people who had actual life experiences and not about some californian millennial in her late 20's whose only solid ability is to write coffee talk au fanfiction.
Fricking chill man. There’s NEVER this kind of energy for novels or books that a person just decides to write and publish what they know. Maybe you just don’t get IT anymore gramps
>There’s NEVER this kind of energy for novels or books that a person just decides to write and publish what they know.
because the US comics market is so fricking dead and nothing is really trying to expand it
I just want more cool fighting action in comics and not just superheroes.
I want robots and monsters and I want them drawn cool with fresh stories.
I want funny humor that plays on genre conventions but does so in an earnest and loving way
but no, slice of life and boomershit and licenses everywhere
Then go make those stories. If a youtuber can write comics, you can too
Shut up homosexual
women
It's why most indie stuff I read is either horror or crime/detective/mystery stuff
The indie scene in America has spent decades with a chip on their shoulder about not being superheroes, so doing straight forward action genre fiction doesn't get you cred.
I think indie comics by Brits tend to be a lot better.
you must be the author of this crap. anyway skate culture sucks.
>constantly see cool punk characters in media as a kid, living in run-down buildings and hanging out in slums, riding skateboards and having crazy hair and shit-
>COMPLETELY miss the part where theyre cool because they actively do cool things and rebel against common society
>instead, latch onto superficial things like backpack patched and scraped knees
>be adult
>"WAIT, I LIVE IN A SHITTY RUNDOWN BUILDING! *I* HAVE BACKPACK PATCHES! GASP, I MUST BE COOL NOW!"
>make media about this
>dont understand why its not the same
being a punk as a teenage is completely normal. being a punk as a grown ass adult is just cringe. they just can't understand the difference.
punks are actually cool when they disrupt unjust society and fight back against the government and corporations
not when they lick their boots and do, say and believe everything society expects of them.... except now with a funny haircut
It's still not. Punk is just an anti-establishment looking establishment flick which was created by suits in the music industry.
That's modern punk which was domesticated after the first wave of actual punk
Punk was always inherently rebellious, but now that rebellion has been made kewl and trendy everyone wants to pretend they're a part of it without having the balls to actually rebel against anything
It's worse than that; they think corformity with government-business authoritarianism IS rebellion. Somehow!
Government, corporations and Hollywood banded together to package nonconformity in one neat little cellophane bag and sell it to the masses
Rebellion isn't about how you dress (unless you dress in a way you're literally not legally allowed to, like women in middle eastern countries who will get stoned for taking off their kosher-seal hijab), it's not about tall boots or dark shirts, sure those look cool but they're not a replacement for a movement
I respect nudists and people who hold pay-to-enter toilet doors open for the next guy in line so that he doesnt have to pay, more than I respect modern punks
I have no problem with stuff existing if it's not hurting anyone. There's plenty of things I'm interested that others aren't. I'm also not scouring the internet for comics and saving images of them and posting them here to complain about them.
I fricking hate you so much that I hope you die agonizingly in a truck accident.
What’s wrong with making fun of shitty stuff? That has always been one of the oldest forms of humor and you are dumb if you can’t get it.
>What’s wrong with making fun of shitty stuff?
Because most of the time it's not "making fun" but just seething that it exists or a thinly veiled excuse to whine about culture war homosexualry. Too many posters have lost or never had any actual humor skills
Well too bad, I haven’t lost my humor baby. And politics are extreeeemely boring, but these autobio comics are fun to mock(at least the bad ones, there are a few good ones).
Well good luck then don't whine when your threads get choked up with homosexuals whining about the state of the world and screaming about all the demographics they hate
There's nothing wrong about making art about or based on your life. Making fun of shitty comics might be fun for a while but too often devolves into what mentioned, basically becoming a soapbox for people to blindly complain about some culture war grievance and go on some crusade. Plus endlessly shitting on everything leads to a mindset where you can only passively consume and never create.
Most of the times the comics aren't even hot garbage, they're just mediocre. Mediocre isn't really that funny.
>There's nothing wrong about making art about or based on your life
There is if your life is boring as frick and you're fictionalizing your life as being more interesting, dramatic, and chaotic than it actually was. If the author didn't want anyone to have a negative view of them or their work, they shouldn't have made such a trite pile of shit and you shouldn't waste your breath tone policing and pearl clutching about people on the internet being mean.
Meanwhile if you're a minority good luck avoiding the culture war bullshit
because people like OP are just going out of their way to hatepromote stuff, it’s the same way we now have an idiotic ‘general’ for the blobfish webcomic everyone loves getting worked up over. Nothing about this “ooh millennial comics suuuck” routine is genuine in the slightest
Then why come to this thread and vent like OP? A true centrists would never step foot in these kinds of threads
There's nothing wrong with venting your frustrations about things you dislike.
Even when theyre not doing it subconsciously leaks into their work for some reason. They put minorities into european history-inspired fantasy and claim its representation and inclusivity but you'll never see them bother to make a fantasy setting based on medieval India or West african mythology because its not about diversity its about recreating California demographics
It's the same with isekai writers who just paste the rpg they're playing into their stories. Most of these people are bland lazy and have no actual knowledge about world history. Their entire intellectual knowledge comes from anime and video games. This is the result.
At least isekai writers admit that, western fantasy writers will wax poetic about how their version of history is real. Just look at the recent movies by Will Smiths husband or the insane cope redditors have for House of the Dragon, a franchise that already had black characters in it in a natural way yet the showrunners had to hamfist in random new ones in the most story breaking way possible
Californians, with almost no exception, regardless of age have the mental maturity of a 14 year old. That's why everything they create feels like a badly written YA novel.
Heres a relevant example, Hell in Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss is just red California with a little bit of Chicago. There is nothing else to it. Especially ironic considering Vivzie's earlier work had a much more dangerous version of hell
Yeah the actors are good but they just shouldnt be playing those roles. The story has intricate details that rely heavily on the physical appearance of the characters. Of course every single subreddit and fan forum bans for even mentioning that. Only place you can talk about that is Cinemaphile
Fun fact is that Vivzie's hell is lot tamer compared to real life places like Afghanistan or Somalia.
Vivzie's hell is literally gentrified via the hierarchy system and purged by the exorcist angels every year to prevent overpopulation. All the dictators, sex offenders, extremists either get obliterated out of existence or are fricked over in the grand scheme of things. She clearly doesn't want to have to write that stuff and just wants her QUIRKY version of hell cake and eating it too so it end up being Red California. You'd have very little problem changing it to aliens or computer programs as the demonic shit is just window dressing.
>You'd have very little problem changing it to aliens or computer programs as the demonic shit is just window dressing
Holy shit, you're right.
She quite literally already did this with Zoophobia. Its the exact same setting as HH/HB but less crime ridden and without demonic window dressing
God, the HotD shit was baffling to me, it makes the whole story feel even more farcical.
At least they kind of roll with that.
House of Dragon atleast the raceswap makes sense for the story, as it makes it exceedingly obvious that the Strong boys are bastards and Laenor isn't their real father.
At a first look yeah, but the book does it a lot better, because in the books you can argue that the Strong boys got their looks not from Harwin Strong but from Rhaenys, their "grandmother". So the Blacks can pretend like its slander and that the Strong boys are actually Velaryons. In the show race-swapping throws out any ambiguity or defense the Blacks have and makes everybody, especially Viserys look like a fricking moron.
Btw people thought that Corlys being raceswapped was because his mother was a summer islander who would raise him up with tales of distant lands and it inspired him to do his great voyages but the showrunners just went and said "no valyrians are always black and we did this because there is too many white people on the show"
Isekai writers have no pretentions about how unrealistic and cliched their stories are.
>Won't you like it when boring millennials try to present their uninspiring lifestyles as unique and quirky in their comics?
So like Cinemaphile SoL?
frick yes!
Why do Millennials love watching and reading things about how shit their lives are?
>t. Zoomer
they don't have anything else to write about because they're all uncreative hacks.
it's unfortunately common these days for people to be completely self-absorbed. They literally can't stop thinking about how great or shit their life is, their social position, their relationships, what have you. They can't let themselves get lost in something they really enjoy anymore, or contemplate on something that doesn't have anything to do with them. I think it's because they have a strange notion that this is the mature thing to do, that's it's self-reflection rather than self-absorption. The problem is that they spend so much time staring at their own brains, nothing really goes into those brains anymore. They no longer take in anything about the world around them and instead just wallow around as their relationships crumble, ambitions go unfulfilled, and life slowly drain out of them. his then spills into their art if they make any, which is just navel-gazing nonsense which they think is very important and poignant because it's so "self-reflective". and it's a similar reason for why people read it, not because they actually enjoy it, but because they similarly think that's it's the "mature" thing to do, that it makes them more cultured, more important, because they read things that are impossible to like.
>tl;dr: it's because they're so far up their own assess they've forgotten what the world outside of their assess is like
I just tried to read that one and god that was horrible. Every page had stuff like that only felt "haha look I'm so cool for making this reference please relate to me" sort of vibe.
Autofiction
>Frick Off Squad by Nicole Goux (Murders, Jem and the Holograms) and Dave Baker (Action Hospital, Suicide Forest) is a graphic novel that follows three would-be miscreants as they attempt to navigate the trials and tribulations of growing up in Los Angeles.
This sounds like the most pretentious, homosexualy bullshit imaginable. This is the sort of shit I'd make up while trying to parody the sort of gay, self-obsessed shit that goony homosexuals are always making to try and puff up the drama and pathos of their boring, homosexualy lives.
are you all right? do you need somebody to talk to or for me to call someone? like your local sanitarium or something?
homosexual.
There has ALWAYS been a ton of low quality semi-autobiographical material out there.
You just don't hear about the ones from prior decades because they were just as forgettable as the ones that are produced today.
It media that rarely ever enters the popular collective conciseness.
Did you miss the period where EVERYONE had their own crappy vent webcomic? This isn't a generational thing.
All the people who made shitty autofictional webcomics about their shitty gay lives in the early 00s grew up to be the homosexuals making these overhyped published comics.
>This isn't a generational thing.
Uhh, anon, you do realize that most of the people making those webcomics were millennials, right?
You have to go back to the late 90s stuff like Penny Arcade and 8-bit theater and Ozzy and Millie to start hitting Gen X'ers.
>Uhh, anon, you do realize that most of the people making those webcomics were millennials, right?
ok and? the vast majority of millenials didn't make webcomics. Correlation isn't causation. webcomics are generally made by people who have more time on their hands and less responsibilities. In the 2000's- 2010's it was millennials, now it's becoming zoomers, though a lot of zoomers are going into coom as it's possible to make a living.
Dave Baker isn't a zoomer though. What's your fricking point, beyond trying to weasel out of being a dumb homosexual?
He's a homosexual midget millenial. He also lead a boycott against Bakersfield comic con because Bakersfield voted for Trump in 2016. He convinced a bunch of LA indie gays to never go to Bakersfield again and called the whole city racist
>tfw 36
>absolutely love to tell wild insane stories with lots of action and adventure
>can't draw, can only write
>have only managed to get a couple of short stories and a couple of poems published
How come the boring Millennials can get funding for their stuff but I can't?
Hell, the best stuff Millennials make, like webcomics like Unsounded and Lackadaisy Cats, tend to not be noticed as much either. Why does my generation seem to have an endless appetite for boring things and not a lot of love for those of us who make exciting things?
Have you tried being more socially engaging?
>Unsounded
Looks like shit.
>Lackadaisy
Furhomosexualry.
>Why does my generation seem to have an endless appetite for boring things and not a lot of love for those of us who make exciting things?
You're kidding, right?
>Looks like shit.
Unsounded is fricking awesome and you are a homosexual.
>unsounded is awesome and you are a homosexual
Look at this homosexual
It honestly just kind of lost me.
from my experience, wild insane stories one makes up end up being not that engaging and most of the time real life will manage to find a way to outweird whatever shit you come up with.
that's why these comics exist, i think.
You have to network and appeal to their propaganda piece interests, so in other words be savagely woke.
Your only recourse is to self publish or be willing to scrounge hard for someone that wants to take a risk on something unoriginal and not flowing with the "popular" agenda of the age.
As a fellow writer I wish you luck.
Meant to say something original, oh well.
>uninspiring
That seems to be a problem with most western comics, not just autobiographies.
i think these kinds of stories are good if the author is good at telling it. it's not like it's the only kind of story i can read. sometimes i want to read an insane moebius comic, sometimes i wanna read fun home.
does that make sense to you.
authors of these stories are always either washed up alt culture hoes or literal homosexuals. there's no in-between.
Anyone who is sane and skilled enough to make a comic is going to stop and say
>Wait... why the frick would I want to waste my time making a story about a bunch of gay loser teens in California crying about how they feel ways about things when I can make something cool instead?
I think we can boil this thread down to "Only write what you know if you actually know something interesting."
I know Dave Baker from the LA comic con scene. He's a Hollywood hipster spaz.
It’s hilarious when millennials and zoomers think they’re the only ones who make these kinds of comics, when Gen-X was vomiting tons of them out as photocopied zines and black and white indies all through the 90s.
Those also sucked
Are you >implying that we didn't think those sucked too? Because the safe assumption is that if people are complaining about homosexual autofictional comics about boring hipster homosexuals jerking each other off that they would find that style of storytelling to be awful no matter when it was made, especially if they were of even lower quality.
no