>the legalc
A bunch of youtube and redditard "lawyers" pretending to be legal experts
Next you'll be referring me to r/legaladvice where those morons literally ruined a man's life with their expert legal comments
Hey libtards, if diversity is so "heckin' based", why are all the oldest and strongest cultures in the world (East Asian and Islam) homogenous patriarchies? Fact is femininity is toxic and should be suppressed. You're all a bunch of homosexuals for believing otherwise. I will continue to celebrate when little soys like your buddy in New York this week die do to their poor decision making. Get fricked and most importantly go back to r**dit.
Yes I'm banned from /misc/ and no I'm not apologizing
>strongest cultures in the world (East Asian and Islam)
The liberal Euro-American culture is by far the strongest culture to have ever existed thoughbeit, literally the entire world lives under the thumb of liberal capitalism and for each day that goes on everyone becomes more and more intertwined and dependent.
He literally admits to doing everything but killing them. All that shit are still crimes even if he "didn't kill anyone"
Also every crime has his voice on recording talking about how he put them in these death traps. Also DNA evidence is a b***h to hide. Movies like to forget that little tidbit.
This is bait. Everyone knows kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc are crimes. Even if you try to argue he didn't murder anyone this guy's going to jail for every single person he did this to.
>you are free to leave the store, but you must pay for those items. make your choice
7 months ago
Anonymous
Again this completely ignores the prior willingness to enter the store to begin with added on top of the fact you can't just take someone else's property which is in itself a crime.
By all means keep making up scenarios where you forget the founding part of the problem.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>saying the person was led there willingly.
they ended up in the game due to the choices they followed in life
Don't be daft anon. Detective Matthew's son was at least 14 years old and no longer a kid, though he was napping in a safe place. And Jeff's daughter was likely kidnapped by Hoffman, meaning Mr Kramer has no culpability.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Were they unwillingly taken? Yes. That's still kidnapping, the age doesn't matter despite the name. You can kidnap adults and it is still a crime. False imprisonment applies to everyone placed into an actual deathtrap
Why do morons act like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were some kind of war crime, but not give a frick about the bombing of Tokyo which killed more people?
Opening a door is a task, so by your logic if you go to the doctor's and his secretary leads you to his office and closes the door behind you but leaves it unlocked, it would be a crime?
7 months ago
Anonymous
You changed the scenario by saying the person was led there willingly. The crime is forcefully taking them there or forcefully coercing them to have to go there in the first place unwillingly. Everything else after that is coercion based on the prior crime, yes even forcing them to have to open a door.
Jigsaw isn't asking someone to come to his trap house and play a game, he is forcefully taking them there or telling them they have to go there because X person will die if they don't. That is forced/coerced and IS a crime.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>saying the person was led there willingly.
they ended up in the game due to the choices they followed in life
7 months ago
Anonymous
[...]
>I shot the president because they made bad choices, officer, so it's not my fault!
This is the weakest and dumbest excuse yet. You committing a crime because someone else made poor choices in their life doesn't excuse the fact you committed a crime.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I chose to jump off a building, therefore it's the building owner's fault i'm dead
7 months ago
Anonymous
Refer to my prior comments, did the building unwillingly kidnap or force yo uto get ointo it? No this is a stupid example that ignores the founding problem once again.
7 months ago
Anonymous
jigc is a force. he sets up a game and people end up in it because of their own choices.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He's so rockin'
7 months ago
Anonymous
>get a key >open a door with the key >get shot dead by attached pistols.
Also >if you go to the doctor's
But you did not. You where kidnapped.
So you are removing someone from a harmful situation. That is the opposite of what jigsaw does. You are removing someone from danger rather than putting someone into danger. These are not the same.
jigc is a force. he sets up a game and people end up in it because of their own choices.
Jigc is a fictional person who forces others to do things they are unwilling to do. He is a criminal and a really dumb one at that since he leaves evidence of his crimes, admits to them and gives the police everything they would need to lock him up forever or give him the death penalty. His only escape is his own terminal illness and movie writers forcefully making the cops bigger idiots than they are in real life.
But Jigsaw's whole purpose is to remove people from harmful situations (drug addiction, alcoholism, idleness, etc.).
7 months ago
Anonymous
...and where does he put them? Into even more immediate and deadly situations. That's still a crime. If you pulled someone from a burning car to save their life then INTENTIONALLY hung them over a cliff and said they can live if they do something for you, you just committed a crime too.
As I keep having to point out: If you intentionally put someone in danger, even if it's one they can easily escape from, you have committed a crime and none of this "what if" bullshit nonsense wrapped around it changes that fact.
7 months ago
Anonymous
do you have any evidence of jigc doing this? people just end up in the games
7 months ago
Anonymous
"30+ tapes, his own confessions during talks with an officer. His callsign at the scene of every crime. Dude leaves evidence everywhere because idiots like himself and you think he did nothing wrong. Also leads me to believe there is probably dna evidence al lover the damn place since he "did nothing wrong" in his mind.
7 months ago
Anonymous
so you have tapes of jigc kidnapping people? where are they
7 months ago
Anonymous
He leaves the voice cassettes every dumbass, even the first movie established this
7 months ago
Anonymous
those are part of a game. where are the videos of jigc kidnapping people?
7 months ago
Anonymous
You mean the voice cassettes where he literally says he has taken them and has(sometimes) given them unwilling surgical procedures while they were unconscious? That's enough proof for many crimes and "It's just a game bro" isn't a legal defense. Try harder, dumbass.
7 months ago
Anonymous
so you don't have any videos of jig kidnapping anyone, got it. just game pieces
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you're a fricking moron who legit believes that this is enough proof that they weren't taken unwillingly, that their screams for help were just a game...where they literally died. No signed consent forms, no insurance policies. Nothing? You have no proof this was a legit game. You just have nonsense spewed by a man who has been putting people in deathtraps for such horrible crimes...watching people too much and minding their own business all because he got into a car accident once and survived despite making his situation even worse by pulling out the thing impaling him and is lashing out at the world because despite all that he still got fricking cancer.
7 months ago
Anonymous
i'm telling you what the jury will see. a man who wanted to play some games and give some bad people some good choices. the jury is going to wonder, if jigc is really a criminal then where is the evidence that he kidnapped anyone? if you were the prosecuting lawyer you would be laughed at as a mad man, trying to depict an old sick man as some depraved kidnapper. show the proof. show the videos of him kidnapping people, since that's your whole premise. that he kidnapped them. he didn't though. these are people playing a game and got into it because of their life choices.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No you're an idiot. You don't speak for a jury, you aren't the jury. You aren't even a single person on the jury. You wouldn't even be selected with your multitude of proven bias and idiocy
7 months ago
Anonymous
keep seething lawcuck
7 months ago
Anonymous
keep coping movierules cuck
7 months ago
Anonymous
Has jig ever been charged with a crime?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Learn SOP of police and then what the DA does after the fact and get back to me. I'm not wasting my time on teaching you case law.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So no?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Read homie READ
7 months ago
Anonymous
I did. JigC hasn’t ever been charged
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're moronic and think you have a point, I get it. i don't care.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Has jig ever been charged with a crime?
hey look this guy thinks the police being dumb and not doing their jobs right in a movie = Jigsaw is innocent
7 months ago
Anonymous
Name one(1) thing illegal that jigsaw did you can't
7 months ago
Anonymous
made 7 shit movies loaded with contrivances and bad writing
7 months ago
Anonymous
>contrivances
Code-word for: I am too moronic to follow a simple plot-line.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>excuses for bad writing that gets worse in every new movie
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
What part of the writing was bad other than everything after 6? Some parts are rough, sure, no more than most other movies.
7 months ago
Anonymous
you're kidding right? Every single movie is flawed as frick with the first one being the least flawed, it's a clusterfrick of horrible excuses to shoehorn A dying/dead killer back in
7 months ago
Anonymous
Everything from 1-10
This series gave me second hand embarrassment to watch
7 months ago
Anonymous
What part of the writing was bad other than everything after 6? Some parts are rough, sure, no more than most other movies.
GAME OVER.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Possession of illegal drug.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I can’t do it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Name one(1) thing illegal that jigsaw did you can't
it's not okay to be moronic, nor is it to samegay
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then why do you keep posting
7 months ago
Anonymous
to call your b***h ass out
7 months ago
Anonymous
>everyone I don't like is one person
tough first week?
7 months ago
Anonymous
you all share one brain cell, may as well be samegay
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, what would they even charge him with?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kidnapping?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Never seen jiggs do that in the movies?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes we did.
Several times.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Post a webm then
7 months ago
Anonymous
Possession of illegal drug.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Trespass without a warrant, assault with a deadly weapon
Oh wait that was the corrupt cops
7 months ago
Anonymous
>An ACAB dindu defending another murderer? who'd have guessed!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Tell me you never went to law school without telling me you never went to law school.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Games are deadly situations? I bet you want to have tag and baseball made illegal. LOL!
Jiggy was removing people from their own harmful situations like being a smoker or adulterer
7 months ago
Anonymous
Games are deadly situations? I bet you want to have tag and baseball made illegal. LOL!
>i'm gonna read none of the convo and repeat the same stupid shit the last people already said
Tell me you never went to law school without telling me you never went to law school.
Did you? If so then enlighten us on what is incorrect otherwise stfu and stop being moronic with shit said like this.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Did you? If so then enlighten us
OK. Memes aside, and treating the topic with 100 percent sincerity for just a minute, the worst Jigsaw could plausibly be convicted for is manslaughter. He obviously put people in dangerous situations but he didn't harm anyone *directly*. They all had a choice. I'm a third-year law student at Yale so take that for what it's worth.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, assault with a deadly weapon, blackmail, kidnapping, false Imprisonment. First degree murder as well if he is convicted of the latter two since the traps and kidnappings to put them into deadly situations was all planned out. The fact he leaves so much evidence behind and we haven't even seen them talk about dna evidence is alone to put this guy away for all kinds of shit. Manson got imprisoned with far less involvement.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see how any of this sticks
7 months ago
Anonymous
It cant. JigC hasn’t committed a crime
7 months ago
Anonymous
It cant. JigC hasn’t committed a crime
As I've said before, people with low IQ wouldn't understand. That's why they actually think jigsuck has a point and repeat this npc level nonsense
7 months ago
Anonymous
>calls others low IQ >Literally cant come up with a good reason Jigsaw could face criminal trial
Haha imagine being such a salty bastard (and a dumb one at that)! Why do you continue to argue with the truth that Jigsaw is immune to all crime since he is 6 degrees of seperation away from the events when they transpire. No, I will not give you a chance to redeem yourself as you have wasted not only your own time with frivolous claims but also my own. Thank you for your participation but you are dead wrong. That would be like trying to find me guilty of cyberbullying after you willingly entered the thread and failed at your own game.
>10 films later >Jigs...jigsaw doesnt have a p-point
7 months ago
Anonymous
I could sit here and copypasta literally case law to you and you would still sit here and go NUH UH COPS DEY DIDNT CHARGE'M or DA JOOREE WOULDNT BELEEVES IT
I have no interest in explaining why youre moronic as frick logic is so broken my 4 year old understands why movies are make believe better than your stupid ass
7 months ago
Anonymous
Show the case law of someone going to prison for playing a game then. Sorry chud, but the jig walks
7 months ago
Anonymous
No.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession. A good day for JigCFans
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nice straw man
Just admit defeat you moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I could sit here and copypasta literally case law to you and you would still sit here and go NUH UH COPS DEY DIDNT CHARGE'M or DA JOOREE WOULDNT BELEEVES IT >I have no interest in explaining why youre moronic as frick logic is so broken my 4 year old understands why movies are make believe better than your stupid ass
I accept your concession. A good day for JigCFans
No.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>I could sit here and copypasta literally case law to you and you would still sit here and go NUH UH COPS DEY DIDNT CHARGE'M or DA JOOREE WOULDNT BELEEVES IT >I have no interest in explaining why youre moronic as frick logic is so broken my 4 year old understands why movies are make believe better than your stupid ass
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a practicing lawyer and I can say with full confidence that you are full of shit. I have a friend that teaches law and he uses the saw movies as exercises for his students in how even though something might SEEM to be a crime and even though you might WANT it to be a crime does NOT mean it IS a crime
7 months ago
Anonymous
>i'm a lawer trust me bro >i'm gonna defend moron movie logic and bad writing
lol
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah we’ve had a ton of lawyers come into these threads in the past and agree. The jig walks free
7 months ago
Anonymous
>A bunch of armchair redditard "lawyers" prove movie logic and bad writing is real guys
7 months ago
Anonymous
Make your case then. We’ve already disproved everything you’ve said so far. Say something new
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'm a former clerk for the Supreme Court and I can promise you I've meticulously studied every single scene and line of dialogue from the SAW movies and there's simply no case. Kind of unbelievable how in our justice system Jigsaw would walk. Maybe you could get him if the movies took place in Germany.
7 months ago
Anonymous
k
7 months ago
Anonymous
>since he is 6 degrees of seperation away from the events when they transpire.
RICO has entered the chat
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yet it does.
7 months ago
Anonymous
A man who has not been found guilty in any court within the United States is innocent of any crime.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yet he is guilty
7 months ago
Anonymous
He literally isn’t
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then prove it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well how about this, I would have the most wild, animalistic, hardcore, rough, passionate sex with John Kramer.
no you're just an idiot and can't fathom how stupid these excuses really are
[...]
Someone even more moronic
Now you are just pathetic.
But if you really want to keep the game going, it is on him to prove that they consent.
No jury would ever convict a man performing a simple test
7 months ago
Anonymous
>it's just a prank bro!
frick off moron
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you so mad? Just tell me how he's guilty
7 months ago
Anonymous
I have no interest in explaining case law to a single digit IQ
7 months ago
Anonymous
So you can't do it, thank you
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're right I can't convince a single digit IQ. Did you think that was a win?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession
Christ be with you
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're okay with being a single digit IQ? Good for you I guess.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That's not nice 🙁
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's not nice to pick on the moronic. That's why I'm letting you off easy.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Watch it pal you're on thin ice >:(
7 months ago
Anonymous
I committed no crime officer. If a guy can put people on death traps everything short of that 8isnt a crime either. We live in moron land now where crimes don't happen if it's a game.
7 months ago
Anonymous
This. It's like teachers suddenly getting prosecuted for making kids take exams. It's a really farfetched notion.
They were technically free to leave whenever they wanted, they just had to do whatever the task was.
Opening a door is a task, so by your logic if you go to the doctor's and his secretary leads you to his office and closes the door behind you but leaves it unlocked, it would be a crime?
Anon, your arguments get worse and worse with each post like the saw movies
I think it is time that admit your defeat.
If the game involves danger and they don’t sign a waiver, he could be held liable for any pain and suffering caused. Also entrapment isn’t legal. If a home invader or guest triggers a trap you set up, you’re liable.
>ugh akshully its totally legal to kidnap and imprison people and its also legal to put them in extremally dangerous and bizarre traps that either seriously maim and disfigure them or brutally kill them!
This is the sort of low IQ brown people who watch this shit.
In a fair society, the jury would recognize that the victim’s life choices led to that. Jigsaw had no part in that individual’s life up until he showed them the error of their ways
If anyone is brown here, it’s you
Putting people in intentionally dangerous scenarios against their will is illegal, and its also illegal if they hurt themselves or are killed because of those actions.
Youre a moronic brown person and this series is disgusting garbarge slop for sub 90 iq favala Black folk.
I just rewatched all the movies after graduating law school with a 9.5 GPA and yeah I cannot for the life of me find a single crime committed by John. You'd be hard-pressed to find a prosecutor willing to press charges on him.
Yeah obviously. Juries made up of regular citizens exist because they don't give a shit about legal loopholes (or laws in general). If they think you're a piece of shit then they will find you guilty. A judges job on the other hand is to reign them in and limit what they can do. So a judge would literally have to tell them that they can't find him guilty of murder.
Why do morons act like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were some kind of war crime, but not give a frick about the bombing of Tokyo which killed more people?
YOUR HONOR MY CLIENT DID NOT KILL ANYONE HIMSELF, EVERYONE DIED BY THEIR OWN FAILURE >Jury and courtroom starts whispering amongst themselves >Judge says under his breath "Damn he's good"
>stop taking your depression meds and just be happy loser >oh you've commited a minor sin? you deserve to be tortured >it's not society's fault your life sucks, stop blaming other people for your for your mistakes and take some personal responsibility.
You tell me.
JigC hates druggies and prostitutes and racemixers and Black folk and lawyers and doctors and liars and fat people and smokers and Black folk and people in relationships and cheaters and criminals and cops and israelites and yuppies and pedos.
So you tell me
>I never killed anyone >I just pulled a trigger, nothing wrong with pulling a trigger. >Then a bullet happened to kill that man. He was fully capable of getting out of the way. >Sure, he would have had to tear his own arms off, but why is it my fault that he didn't? >Yes, I was the one who chained his arms to the wall, but that's not a crime is it? >It's not even my bullet. Possession is nine tenths of the law, so it's the victim's bullet. >Sure, I drugged him, threw him in my van, and drove him down to the abandoned warehouse, but is that really a crime?
Locking someone into a deathtrap that will kill them is the same as pulling a trigger.
And escaping the trap is the same as getting out of the way of the bullet.
John.. hear me out. How about you give your victims like at least 5 minutes for each trap instead of 1 or 3? Jesus Christ my guy you're making it almost impossible for them to survive.
Allow me to prove, even to you that think Jigsaw committed a crime, that he wouldn't be convicted. The Saw films take place in what appears to be New Jersey. New Jersey requires a unanimous decision by the jury to convict, otherwise the case is forced to go through the whole process again. And as these threads prove, many feel that Jigsaw was not guilty of any crime. A man who knows the accused is innocent will never budge from their not-guilt verdict, unless exceptionally weak willed. So in all likelihood, the trial would either end with no ruling or a not guilt verdict, regardless of the technicalities that the guilty crowd tries to throw at him
i understand the thread's question is whether a jury would find him guilty, and i think they wouldn't because juries are full of peabrained crayon eating zack snyder fans, but you know judges can overrule a jury right? it's especially common in cases regarding homicide and manslaughter, of which jigsaw is clearly guilty
I am almost certain this is incorrect, you may be thinking of a CIVIL case, not a criminal case. >A judge may not enter a JNOV of "guilty" following a jury acquittal in United States criminal cases. Such an action would violate a defendant's Fifth Amendment right not to be placed in double jeopardy and Sixth Amendment right to a trial by jury.
i see i think i was thinking of the sentencing and not the verdict. a judge can overrule what a jury sentences a guilty party to, but not the verdict itself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>strongest cultures in the world (East Asian and Islam)
The liberal Euro-American culture is by far the strongest culture to have ever existed thoughbeit, literally the entire world lives under the thumb of liberal capitalism and for each day that goes on everyone becomes more and more intertwined and dependent.
>make choices in life that lead you to going to a gun range >point the gun at your face >choose to pull the trigger >convict the gun range owners of murder
lol why are trying to paint Jigsaw as a villain? He is the most humanitarian character in the history of cinema.
I am almost certain this is incorrect, you may be thinking of a CIVIL case, not a criminal case. >A judge may not enter a JNOV of "guilty" following a jury acquittal in United States criminal cases. Such an action would violate a defendant's Fifth Amendment right not to be placed in double jeopardy and Sixth Amendment right to a trial by jury.
>make choices in life that lead you to going to a gun range >point the gun at your face >choose to pull the trigger >convict the gun range owners of murder
>Wake up Anon. >Every day you have insisted that my tests were somehow murder, that a jury would find me guilty of crimes you knew full well I held no responsibility for. >Today I will give you a chance to repent, to redeem yourself, or to cling to your hubris to the bitter end. >Underneath the chair you sit upon is a jackhammer, aimed upwards directly at your anus. In ninety seconds it will raise, and even your...receptive hole will be torn apart. >To avert this I give you an opportunity: the computer in front of you holds the key to your survival. >Simply post "Jigsaw did nothing illegal", and the restraints will release. >Time to choose...
Were any of them ever charged or found guilty in any court of law, let alone an American one? Is Obama in jail for actually and intentionally drone striking brown children?
Depends on the charge, but the two primary crimes he's guilty of are Kidnapping and First degree murder. I don't have any doubt a jury would find him guilty of kidnapping, and that's all it takes for the murder charge to stick, because a death that occurs durring a kidnapping is elevated to murder, and in his case first degree murder because he made booby traps with the expectation someone might die and it was all pre-meditated. He's fricked.
the druggie who killed his unborn son
the group of five that included nelson in "jigsaw"
hoffman
amanda and the guy she killed
the barb wire guy
the three people from the first movie (the doc, the photographer and the guy behind the mirror)
the victims Danny Glover's character lists
I’ve been asking for footage for hours. Just post it already. Where is your proof?
7 months ago
Anonymous
you asked for 5 names you disingenuous homosexual, and you were given more than 5. Stop shifting goalposts
7 months ago
Anonymous
I didn’t make that post. I only asked you for the video. The same question I have been asking the deniers all thread. Post a video of jiggy kidnapping. If you can’t do that, then you have nothing on the jig
amanda admitted to the cops that jigsaw did it
Plus, jigsaw never denies he committed any of the crimes when they have him in custody; in fact he owns up to them.
He doesn't care about the consequences because he won't live long enough for a trial: it's about his message.
>amanda admitted to the cops that jigsaw did it
amanda who herself is an unreliable witness and not actually jiggy himself? Oh that amanda? right... >Plus, jigsaw never denies he committed any of the crimes when they have him in custody; in fact he owns up to them.
no Jiggy never admits to any CRIMES when in custody. He admits to commiting actions. including building elaborate interactive art pieces and then ALLOWING the "victims" to CHOOSE to participate in them. But he never outright admits he commited a crime.
Checkmate anon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>He admits to commiting actions.
criminal actions, you nonce
7 months ago
Anonymous
at no point does he admit that his actions were criminal. Like i said, is building an elaborate art piece a crime now? Exactly.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>criminal
Prove it
the intent to harm, torture, murder, all premeditated, and which you all admitted to
checkmate.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He only intended them to appreciate their lives and make a choice
7 months ago
Anonymous
>and which you all admitted
but im not jigsaw am i. So what would me admitting to anything have to do with him?
Hmmmmm.
How could jigsaw premeditate that these people would choose to make a choice that would cause them harm or death? Is Jigsaw a mind reader now? Is a cop suddenly a murderer because he watches a suicidal guy make the CHOICE to jump off a bridge?
Jigsaw is innocent and you cant even think of one solid argument to prove otherwise.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>How could jigsaw premeditate
when he built a torture and kill room, selected victims and them dumped them in it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>torture and kill room
jigsaw never excplicitely calls any of the rooms this. You came up with these terms.
>selected victims
the alleged "victims" selected themselves via their various flaws. Jiggy didnt select anyone.
>dumped them in it
where is the evidence that jigsaw even touched any of these people with his own hands?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>the alleged "victims" selected themselves via their various flaws.
Nah, a schizo killed them
7 months ago
Anonymous
>gets shot in the head with a gun and your head explodes
well, you see this homosexual just walked into the path of a boom toob while the level was being massaged and it just happened to send a hug pill his way that coincidentally he had an allergic reaction to and he died of unrelated causes. Anyone using the words "gun," "trigger," or "murder" is casting aspersions on this fine pillar of the community.
>kidnapping is a federal crime >literally leaves tapes admitting to this at the scene of every crime, and he set up his victims for a torture game >multiple games that he tells someone to kill someone else (including that big one in public), meaning he did murder by proxy and also on tape
Depends on the charge, but the two primary crimes he's guilty of are Kidnapping and First degree murder. I don't have any doubt a jury would find him guilty of kidnapping, and that's all it takes for the murder charge to stick, because a death that occurs durring a kidnapping is elevated to murder, and in his case first degree murder because he made booby traps with the expectation someone might die and it was all pre-meditated. He's fricked.
>kidnapping
they could leave whenever they wanted all he did was give them a choice
>they could leave whenever they wanted
You might have an argument if Jigsaw were asking people on the street to waive their rights for his extreme rehab program, but he never even asked for their permission, and that makes it kidnapping.
Jigsaw only works in a setting like China, in America we have these things called rights transcribed in our constitution that allow us to be shitty human beings if that's what we choose.
Every choice has consequences and these people chose to be part of the game through their actions. They then choose to live or die. A simple choice. Most would choose life. It’s not JigC’s fault many don’t.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Every choice has consequences and these people chose to be part of the game through their actions.
Even if they subscribed to that line of reasoning and accepted that they deserve to be there because of their actions, consent can be retracted. Jigsaw cannot compel people to do things they don't want to do, and he cannot obstruct them from leaving if they want to leave. Jigsaw would have been in the clear if rather than stating "I want to play a game" he confirmed the consent of the people he kidnapped by asking "Do you want to play a game?"
7 months ago
Anonymous
In fact, more than one person screams "LET ME OUT!" or some variation of it. Meaning he is holding them against their will, ergo kidnapping.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They knew the rules of the game
7 months ago
Anonymous
which he kidnapped them and forced them to play against their will.
premeditated murder
7 months ago
Anonymous
They chose to enroll in the game when they made their choice
7 months ago
Anonymous
>They chose to enroll in the game
no they didn't
7 months ago
Anonymous
>They chose to enroll in the game when they made their choice
Consent can be revoked, and plenty of people made it clear they didn't want to play his game. Jigsaw CHOSE to ignore them, and that makes him culpable to murder.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>she consented to the roofie and everything else when she took the drink she was given, even if she didn't know
real incel scum here
No. At WORST the police would be able to build a case against the dead victims for causing self harm and suicide but no state nor court would even get within 10ft of jiggy. His system was bulletproof.
Convicting him would be like convicting ford because you decided to run on the freeway and got ran over. Its laughable. Jiggy walks a free man. He wouldnt even need a lawyer.
>says he wants to play a game >doesn't even participate in said game, only watches
That would be like me watching someone play video games and claiming I'm also playing. The brain cancer really got to John
That would be like me watching someone play video games and claiming I'm also playing. >implying you dont watch streams and pretend to hold a controller, playing along with your best bros through the screen
Is it just me or is the pig vat on the less bad end of the spectrum in terms of jigsaw traps
I mean sure it obviously smells awful but other than that you're really not sustaining any kind of long term damage by being in it except for the possibility of drowning in rotten pig juice, but you can get out of it long before that if the guy chooses to help you out
kidnapping
unlawful imprisonment
torture
illegal possession of controlled substance with intent to distribute (and face it, he had gallons of knock out juice)
practicing medicine without a license (the surgeries)
manslaughter
murder, 1-3 degrees
tax evasion
criminal conspiracy on all the above charges
Jury pronounces sentence: GUILTY!
You made your choice, mr cramer, you lost THIS game and will face the ultimate price when you are sentenced to die by electrocution.
May God have mercy on your soul
Judge bangs gavel: GAME OVER!
Guilty for being sexy
>Guilty for being sexy
I've actually seen egirls on Twitter thirsting for this guy. Daddy issues are crazy
To be fair, he is a good actor.
He’s a DILF.
Yes
i think you have to commit a crime to be found guilty
To be brought before a jury, you need to be on trial for a crime. Jigsaw has never committed a crime. It could never even get that far
>Americans don’t know how the judicial system works
but achually im a lawer and this other guy said he was one so we know what we mean and jiggy C is the most innicent guy ever
There’s overwhelming consensus in the legalC about jigC’s innocence
>the legalc
A bunch of youtube and redditard "lawyers" pretending to be legal experts
Next you'll be referring me to r/legaladvice where those morons literally ruined a man's life with their expert legal comments
charles manson was guilty?
>Your honor, one of the victims said that he couldn't breathe and died of a fentanyl overdose.
checkmate Jigsaw
Hey libtards, if diversity is so "heckin' based", why are all the oldest and strongest cultures in the world (East Asian and Islam) homogenous patriarchies? Fact is femininity is toxic and should be suppressed. You're all a bunch of homosexuals for believing otherwise. I will continue to celebrate when little soys like your buddy in New York this week die do to their poor decision making. Get fricked and most importantly go back to r**dit.
Yes I'm banned from /misc/ and no I'm not apologizing
you're in this thread too? based
>(East Asian and Islam) homogenous
american education
>strongest cultures in the world (East Asian and Islam)
The liberal Euro-American culture is by far the strongest culture to have ever existed thoughbeit, literally the entire world lives under the thumb of liberal capitalism and for each day that goes on everyone becomes more and more intertwined and dependent.
Yes.
Kidnapping.
Reckless endangerment.
Manslaughter.
He dies in prison.
He literally admits to doing everything but killing them. All that shit are still crimes even if he "didn't kill anyone"
Also every crime has his voice on recording talking about how he put them in these death traps. Also DNA evidence is a b***h to hide. Movies like to forget that little tidbit.
when has anyone been arrested for setting up a game and providing choices?
This is bait. Everyone knows kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc are crimes. Even if you try to argue he didn't murder anyone this guy's going to jail for every single person he did this to.
They were technically free to leave whenever they wanted, they just had to do whatever the task was.
>free to leave
>after meeting requirements
That's still false imprisonment and kidnapping, those just don't go away because you let someone go...with a requirement to do so first.
>you are free to leave the store, but you must pay for those items. make your choice
Again this completely ignores the prior willingness to enter the store to begin with added on top of the fact you can't just take someone else's property which is in itself a crime.
By all means keep making up scenarios where you forget the founding part of the problem.
Don't be daft anon. Detective Matthew's son was at least 14 years old and no longer a kid, though he was napping in a safe place. And Jeff's daughter was likely kidnapped by Hoffman, meaning Mr Kramer has no culpability.
Were they unwillingly taken? Yes. That's still kidnapping, the age doesn't matter despite the name. You can kidnap adults and it is still a crime. False imprisonment applies to everyone placed into an actual deathtrap
Or how about pearl harbor?
>they just had to do whatever the task was.
So he forces them to do what he wants to let them go away?
That's quite a criminal act.
Opening a door is a task, so by your logic if you go to the doctor's and his secretary leads you to his office and closes the door behind you but leaves it unlocked, it would be a crime?
You changed the scenario by saying the person was led there willingly. The crime is forcefully taking them there or forcefully coercing them to have to go there in the first place unwillingly. Everything else after that is coercion based on the prior crime, yes even forcing them to have to open a door.
Jigsaw isn't asking someone to come to his trap house and play a game, he is forcefully taking them there or telling them they have to go there because X person will die if they don't. That is forced/coerced and IS a crime.
>saying the person was led there willingly.
they ended up in the game due to the choices they followed in life
>I shot the president because they made bad choices, officer, so it's not my fault!
This is the weakest and dumbest excuse yet. You committing a crime because someone else made poor choices in their life doesn't excuse the fact you committed a crime.
>I chose to jump off a building, therefore it's the building owner's fault i'm dead
Refer to my prior comments, did the building unwillingly kidnap or force yo uto get ointo it? No this is a stupid example that ignores the founding problem once again.
jigc is a force. he sets up a game and people end up in it because of their own choices.
He's so rockin'
>get a key
>open a door with the key
>get shot dead by attached pistols.
Also
>if you go to the doctor's
But you did not. You where kidnapped.
yopur mom is technically free to leave my sex dungeon, she just have to suck my wiener.
>Your honor, she was free to leave, she just had to let me frick her in the pussy. She had a choice.
>This is bait.
Of course it is. He is playing a game with you. You can leave whenever you want.
ok
>Person crashes their car
>You move their unconscious body away from the burning vehicle
>Get charged with kidnapping and false inprisonment
So you are removing someone from a harmful situation. That is the opposite of what jigsaw does. You are removing someone from danger rather than putting someone into danger. These are not the same.
Jigc is a fictional person who forces others to do things they are unwilling to do. He is a criminal and a really dumb one at that since he leaves evidence of his crimes, admits to them and gives the police everything they would need to lock him up forever or give him the death penalty. His only escape is his own terminal illness and movie writers forcefully making the cops bigger idiots than they are in real life.
But Jigsaw's whole purpose is to remove people from harmful situations (drug addiction, alcoholism, idleness, etc.).
...and where does he put them? Into even more immediate and deadly situations. That's still a crime. If you pulled someone from a burning car to save their life then INTENTIONALLY hung them over a cliff and said they can live if they do something for you, you just committed a crime too.
As I keep having to point out: If you intentionally put someone in danger, even if it's one they can easily escape from, you have committed a crime and none of this "what if" bullshit nonsense wrapped around it changes that fact.
do you have any evidence of jigc doing this? people just end up in the games
"30+ tapes, his own confessions during talks with an officer. His callsign at the scene of every crime. Dude leaves evidence everywhere because idiots like himself and you think he did nothing wrong. Also leads me to believe there is probably dna evidence al lover the damn place since he "did nothing wrong" in his mind.
so you have tapes of jigc kidnapping people? where are they
He leaves the voice cassettes every dumbass, even the first movie established this
those are part of a game. where are the videos of jigc kidnapping people?
You mean the voice cassettes where he literally says he has taken them and has(sometimes) given them unwilling surgical procedures while they were unconscious? That's enough proof for many crimes and "It's just a game bro" isn't a legal defense. Try harder, dumbass.
so you don't have any videos of jig kidnapping anyone, got it. just game pieces
So you're a fricking moron who legit believes that this is enough proof that they weren't taken unwillingly, that their screams for help were just a game...where they literally died. No signed consent forms, no insurance policies. Nothing? You have no proof this was a legit game. You just have nonsense spewed by a man who has been putting people in deathtraps for such horrible crimes...watching people too much and minding their own business all because he got into a car accident once and survived despite making his situation even worse by pulling out the thing impaling him and is lashing out at the world because despite all that he still got fricking cancer.
i'm telling you what the jury will see. a man who wanted to play some games and give some bad people some good choices. the jury is going to wonder, if jigc is really a criminal then where is the evidence that he kidnapped anyone? if you were the prosecuting lawyer you would be laughed at as a mad man, trying to depict an old sick man as some depraved kidnapper. show the proof. show the videos of him kidnapping people, since that's your whole premise. that he kidnapped them. he didn't though. these are people playing a game and got into it because of their life choices.
No you're an idiot. You don't speak for a jury, you aren't the jury. You aren't even a single person on the jury. You wouldn't even be selected with your multitude of proven bias and idiocy
keep seething lawcuck
keep coping movierules cuck
Has jig ever been charged with a crime?
Learn SOP of police and then what the DA does after the fact and get back to me. I'm not wasting my time on teaching you case law.
So no?
Read homie READ
I did. JigC hasn’t ever been charged
You're moronic and think you have a point, I get it. i don't care.
hey look this guy thinks the police being dumb and not doing their jobs right in a movie = Jigsaw is innocent
Name one(1) thing illegal that jigsaw did
you can't
made 7 shit movies loaded with contrivances and bad writing
>contrivances
Code-word for: I am too moronic to follow a simple plot-line.
>excuses for bad writing that gets worse in every new movie
lol
What part of the writing was bad other than everything after 6? Some parts are rough, sure, no more than most other movies.
you're kidding right? Every single movie is flawed as frick with the first one being the least flawed, it's a clusterfrick of horrible excuses to shoehorn A dying/dead killer back in
Everything from 1-10
This series gave me second hand embarrassment to watch
GAME OVER.
I can’t do it
it's not okay to be moronic, nor is it to samegay
Then why do you keep posting
to call your b***h ass out
>everyone I don't like is one person
tough first week?
you all share one brain cell, may as well be samegay
No, what would they even charge him with?
Kidnapping?
Never seen jiggs do that in the movies?
Yes we did.
Several times.
Post a webm then
Possession of illegal drug.
Trespass without a warrant, assault with a deadly weapon
Oh wait that was the corrupt cops
>An ACAB dindu defending another murderer? who'd have guessed!
Tell me you never went to law school without telling me you never went to law school.
Games are deadly situations? I bet you want to have tag and baseball made illegal. LOL!
Jiggy was removing people from their own harmful situations like being a smoker or adulterer
>i'm gonna read none of the convo and repeat the same stupid shit the last people already said
Did you? If so then enlighten us on what is incorrect otherwise stfu and stop being moronic with shit said like this.
>Did you? If so then enlighten us
OK. Memes aside, and treating the topic with 100 percent sincerity for just a minute, the worst Jigsaw could plausibly be convicted for is manslaughter. He obviously put people in dangerous situations but he didn't harm anyone *directly*. They all had a choice. I'm a third-year law student at Yale so take that for what it's worth.
Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, assault with a deadly weapon, blackmail, kidnapping, false Imprisonment. First degree murder as well if he is convicted of the latter two since the traps and kidnappings to put them into deadly situations was all planned out. The fact he leaves so much evidence behind and we haven't even seen them talk about dna evidence is alone to put this guy away for all kinds of shit. Manson got imprisoned with far less involvement.
I don't see how any of this sticks
It cant. JigC hasn’t committed a crime
As I've said before, people with low IQ wouldn't understand. That's why they actually think jigsuck has a point and repeat this npc level nonsense
>calls others low IQ
>Literally cant come up with a good reason Jigsaw could face criminal trial
Haha imagine being such a salty bastard (and a dumb one at that)! Why do you continue to argue with the truth that Jigsaw is immune to all crime since he is 6 degrees of seperation away from the events when they transpire. No, I will not give you a chance to redeem yourself as you have wasted not only your own time with frivolous claims but also my own. Thank you for your participation but you are dead wrong. That would be like trying to find me guilty of cyberbullying after you willingly entered the thread and failed at your own game.
>10 films later
>Jigs...jigsaw doesnt have a p-point
I could sit here and copypasta literally case law to you and you would still sit here and go NUH UH COPS DEY DIDNT CHARGE'M or DA JOOREE WOULDNT BELEEVES IT
I have no interest in explaining why youre moronic as frick logic is so broken my 4 year old understands why movies are make believe better than your stupid ass
Show the case law of someone going to prison for playing a game then. Sorry chud, but the jig walks
No.
I accept your concession. A good day for JigCFans
Nice straw man
Just admit defeat you moron
No.
>I could sit here and copypasta literally case law to you and you would still sit here and go NUH UH COPS DEY DIDNT CHARGE'M or DA JOOREE WOULDNT BELEEVES IT
>I have no interest in explaining why youre moronic as frick logic is so broken my 4 year old understands why movies are make believe better than your stupid ass
I'm a practicing lawyer and I can say with full confidence that you are full of shit. I have a friend that teaches law and he uses the saw movies as exercises for his students in how even though something might SEEM to be a crime and even though you might WANT it to be a crime does NOT mean it IS a crime
>i'm a lawer trust me bro
>i'm gonna defend moron movie logic and bad writing
lol
Yeah we’ve had a ton of lawyers come into these threads in the past and agree. The jig walks free
>A bunch of armchair redditard "lawyers" prove movie logic and bad writing is real guys
Make your case then. We’ve already disproved everything you’ve said so far. Say something new
I'm a former clerk for the Supreme Court and I can promise you I've meticulously studied every single scene and line of dialogue from the SAW movies and there's simply no case. Kind of unbelievable how in our justice system Jigsaw would walk. Maybe you could get him if the movies took place in Germany.
k
>since he is 6 degrees of seperation away from the events when they transpire.
RICO has entered the chat
Yet it does.
A man who has not been found guilty in any court within the United States is innocent of any crime.
Yet he is guilty
He literally isn’t
Then prove it.
Well how about this, I would have the most wild, animalistic, hardcore, rough, passionate sex with John Kramer.
>kidnapping
No he just moved them from one place to another
Unwillingly.
They didn't object
Prove it in court
Now you are just pathetic.
But if you really want to keep the game going, it is on him to prove that they consent.
Did they consent? No?
Then it is kidnapping.
No jury would ever convict a man performing a simple test
>it's just a prank bro!
frick off moron
Why are you so mad? Just tell me how he's guilty
I have no interest in explaining case law to a single digit IQ
So you can't do it, thank you
You're right I can't convince a single digit IQ. Did you think that was a win?
I accept your concession
Christ be with you
You're okay with being a single digit IQ? Good for you I guess.
That's not nice 🙁
It's not nice to pick on the moronic. That's why I'm letting you off easy.
Watch it pal you're on thin ice >:(
I committed no crime officer. If a guy can put people on death traps everything short of that 8isnt a crime either. We live in moron land now where crimes don't happen if it's a game.
This. It's like teachers suddenly getting prosecuted for making kids take exams. It's a really farfetched notion.
>just prove a negative anon
You really are one moronic motherfricker aren't you
You sound like a troony
Jiggy ain't do shit
you frick like a troony
Anon, your arguments get worse and worse with each post like the saw movies
I think it is time that admit your defeat.
If the game involves danger and they don’t sign a waiver, he could be held liable for any pain and suffering caused. Also entrapment isn’t legal. If a home invader or guest triggers a trap you set up, you’re liable.
Technically jiggy didn't make them play the game. They chose to play through poor life choices (being racist, not using turn signals, etc)
The jury would never make it to the end, they would all end up in a trap by the time the trial started.
I would make sure to give the rest of the jurors reasonable doubt
He'd get a RICO charge at least
>ugh akshully its totally legal to kidnap and imprison people and its also legal to put them in extremally dangerous and bizarre traps that either seriously maim and disfigure them or brutally kill them!
This is the sort of low IQ brown people who watch this shit.
In a fair society, the jury would recognize that the victim’s life choices led to that. Jigsaw had no part in that individual’s life up until he showed them the error of their ways
If anyone is brown here, it’s you
Kidnapping people and imprisoning them is illegal
Putting people in intentionally dangerous scenarios against their will is illegal, and its also illegal if they hurt themselves or are killed because of those actions.
Youre a moronic brown person and this series is disgusting garbarge slop for sub 90 iq favala Black folk.
He committed murder. There is no possible way that isn't murder.
WOAT horror franchise
I just rewatched all the movies after graduating law school with a 9.5 GPA and yeah I cannot for the life of me find a single crime committed by John. You'd be hard-pressed to find a prosecutor willing to press charges on him.
Why do these movies fluctuate so wildly in production quality? Especially going from 5/6 to TFC?
That's what happens when a franchise that was originally supposed to be one-and-done spawns 10 fricking movies
how does he not see himself as cringe?
yes
Guilty of what? Giving people a choice? Stores give people hundreds, if not thousands, of choices every single day.
Yeah obviously. Juries made up of regular citizens exist because they don't give a shit about legal loopholes (or laws in general). If they think you're a piece of shit then they will find you guilty. A judges job on the other hand is to reign them in and limit what they can do. So a judge would literally have to tell them that they can't find him guilty of murder.
If Truman got away with it by giving them a warning thus giving them the choice, then how can a jury realistically convict Jiggy
Why do morons act like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were some kind of war crime, but not give a frick about the bombing of Tokyo which killed more people?
He literally attacked a cop with a knife in the throad
self defence
Wasn't self defense but with enough arguing I'll let it go as resisting arrest and drop the charges
>killing a cop in self defense
yeah haha, good luck with this one
The cop could have dodged but decided not to
YOUR HONOR MY CLIENT DID NOT KILL ANYONE HIMSELF, EVERYONE DIED BY THEIR OWN FAILURE
>Jury and courtroom starts whispering amongst themselves
>Judge says under his breath "Damn he's good"
Was jigsaw a chud or a liberal?
radical centrist
>stop taking your depression meds and just be happy loser
>oh you've commited a minor sin? you deserve to be tortured
>it's not society's fault your life sucks, stop blaming other people for your for your mistakes and take some personal responsibility.
You tell me.
Sounds like a conservatard to me
JigC hates druggies and prostitutes and racemixers and Black folk and lawyers and doctors and liars and fat people and smokers and Black folk and people in relationships and cheaters and criminals and cops and israelites and yuppies and pedos.
So you tell me
he never hurt anyone, he just gave them a choice
Jiggy is the most pro-choice ally you can find.
>I never killed anyone
>I just pulled a trigger, nothing wrong with pulling a trigger.
>Then a bullet happened to kill that man. He was fully capable of getting out of the way.
>Sure, he would have had to tear his own arms off, but why is it my fault that he didn't?
>Yes, I was the one who chained his arms to the wall, but that's not a crime is it?
>It's not even my bullet. Possession is nine tenths of the law, so it's the victim's bullet.
>Sure, I drugged him, threw him in my van, and drove him down to the abandoned warehouse, but is that really a crime?
>I just pulled a trigger
Funny how you have to misrepresent the situation to try and fnaggle a way that he's guilty of a crime.
it's as dumb as the excuses you give.
That was my first post in this thread. Again, you're forced to try and twist things so you can make an argument based off of false pretenses
no you're just an idiot and can't fathom how stupid these excuses really are
Someone even more moronic
>fnaggle
this is the level of intelligence you can expect in the average jury tasked with convicting jigsaw
Locking someone into a deathtrap that will kill them is the same as pulling a trigger.
And escaping the trap is the same as getting out of the way of the bullet.
They are given a choice to pull the trigger or walk away.
only like 2 people had the choice to walk away.
I'm grayed out. Somebody please Bing an image of kramer testifying in federal court
Well, he burned alive the innocent wife of the writer in Saw 3D. She didn't even knew her husband was lying.
John.. hear me out. How about you give your victims like at least 5 minutes for each trap instead of 1 or 3? Jesus Christ my guy you're making it almost impossible for them to survive.
>Jury is given a choice.
Ok now this is kino. That in itself completely justifies everything Jigsaw did (allegedly)
Reminder that he didn't kill anyone.
>Taking the word of a psycho
Of multiple counts of murder? Yes.
Allow me to prove, even to you that think Jigsaw committed a crime, that he wouldn't be convicted. The Saw films take place in what appears to be New Jersey. New Jersey requires a unanimous decision by the jury to convict, otherwise the case is forced to go through the whole process again. And as these threads prove, many feel that Jigsaw was not guilty of any crime. A man who knows the accused is innocent will never budge from their not-guilt verdict, unless exceptionally weak willed. So in all likelihood, the trial would either end with no ruling or a not guilt verdict, regardless of the technicalities that the guilty crowd tries to throw at him
no
>it's not likely at least one person on the jury would find him not guilty
>he says, while arguing with multiple people who'd rule he's not guilty
No.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you had a unanimous jury finding him not guilty. No evidence of committing any crimes and he always gave people a choice
>juries are dumb so there's a chance he'll be found not guilty!
That doesnt mean a crime didnt happen you fricking mongs
Could you do me a favor, scroll up to the top of this thread and read me the question OP posed?
Read my statement again idiot. I said just because the odds exist doesnt mean that's the more likely scenario. get fricked
The jury has a choice. follow the law and acquit the jig, or make shit up and find him guilty. I trust in the jury
>make shit up and find him innocent because hurr durr just a game and he dindu nuffin
get stuffed
i understand the thread's question is whether a jury would find him guilty, and i think they wouldn't because juries are full of peabrained crayon eating zack snyder fans, but you know judges can overrule a jury right? it's especially common in cases regarding homicide and manslaughter, of which jigsaw is clearly guilty
I am almost certain this is incorrect, you may be thinking of a CIVIL case, not a criminal case.
>A judge may not enter a JNOV of "guilty" following a jury acquittal in United States criminal cases. Such an action would violate a defendant's Fifth Amendment right not to be placed in double jeopardy and Sixth Amendment right to a trial by jury.
i see i think i was thinking of the sentencing and not the verdict. a judge can overrule what a jury sentences a guilty party to, but not the verdict itself.
no
The worst thing about JigC is the hypocrisy.
Guilty of what? Reckless endangerment yes
Murder no
He literally didn’t do anything wrong. He has always been a spectator and you can’t put someone in prison for that. Sorry chuds.
Jigsaw is guilty because he killed people
I can make simple dumb statements without backing too. You guys are all mental. seek help
lol why are trying to paint Jigsaw as a villain? He is the most humanitarian character in the history of cinema.
>make choices in life that lead you to going to a gun range
>point the gun at your face
>choose to pull the trigger
>convict the gun range owners of murder
>hehe watch this i'm going to mass reply because i have nothing to say
No
>t. chungus
>Wake up Anon.
>Every day you have insisted that my tests were somehow murder, that a jury would find me guilty of crimes you knew full well I held no responsibility for.
>Today I will give you a chance to repent, to redeem yourself, or to cling to your hubris to the bitter end.
>Underneath the chair you sit upon is a jackhammer, aimed upwards directly at your anus. In ninety seconds it will raise, and even your...receptive hole will be torn apart.
>To avert this I give you an opportunity: the computer in front of you holds the key to your survival.
>Simply post "Jigsaw did nothing illegal", and the restraints will release.
>Time to choose...
>lawcucks would rather die than admit jiggy is right
No
That's a lot of words to just admit you're moronic
I accept your concession and your apology
No
We purposely trained this one how to debate badly as a joke. he now thinks being so moronic people stop talking to him is a victory
So you’d choose to have a nice day then. I suppose nothing of value will be lost
what makes someone keep reposting the same thing over and over again?
>jigsaw cuts your breaks
>you drive the car and crash
he's innocent, all you had to do was stay home
>literally waterboard a kid in the new movie
Why didn't they just hold their breathes or take turns?
Thats what they did
Because JigC hates brown kids
Yeah in Mexico especially he couldn't be convicted of anything
It’s amazing how the genius of JigC can break a man.
LAWKEKS ON LIFE SUPPORT. JIGC SUPREMACY
>what law did he not break? checkmake lawkeks!
No
Dilate more reddit troony.
No
Buckbroken by JigC
gay ass homie like you would be imagining someone being buckbroken. it's the closest thing you'd get to actual sex
I would let JigC dominate me, if you catch my drift
yeah we can tell you would suck the producers wiener if you could too.
Only JigC because he’s a lawful citizen
Are you saying the movie producers aren't?
They are geniuses for creating the most horror kino franchise of all time
yet you wont suck their wieners, curious
Anon wants me to suck dick so bad. Makes you think
you claim you suck dicks but yet when given the chance you refuse. Dont be inc0onsistent or jigc will punish you
>JigC will punish you
Hot
If they could get Capone, they can get Jigsaw.
You think jiggy cheated on his taxes? Not likely, he had a code.
Did he legally own the buildings that he used?
What about Hitler, Stalin, Mao or any dictator is there any prof they killed someone with their own hand!?
The memecaust never happened, homosexual
Were any of them ever charged or found guilty in any court of law, let alone an American one? Is Obama in jail for actually and intentionally drone striking brown children?
he should get 25-to-life for crimes against fashion with that soul patch
>"Well I mean, they DID have a choice.."
chuds literally cannot convict him
he doesnt exist anon
Depends on the charge, but the two primary crimes he's guilty of are Kidnapping and First degree murder. I don't have any doubt a jury would find him guilty of kidnapping, and that's all it takes for the murder charge to stick, because a death that occurs durring a kidnapping is elevated to murder, and in his case first degree murder because he made booby traps with the expectation someone might die and it was all pre-meditated. He's fricked.
Name 5 victims that he personally kidnapped (you can't)
Flammable jelly guy. That trap was unbeatable
Where’s the footage of jigC kidnapping him?
Tell me how to beat the trap or gtfo
The choice was his
That would have been detective hoffman since he was confirmed to have planted Dr. Gordon's penlight at one of the other crime scenes.
Try again.
>NAME 5 PEOPLE MANSON KILLED (YOU CANT)
Murder is different from kidnapping you fricking moron
the druggie who killed his unborn son
the group of five that included nelson in "jigsaw"
hoffman
amanda and the guy she killed
the barb wire guy
the three people from the first movie (the doc, the photographer and the guy behind the mirror)
the victims Danny Glover's character lists
Where’s the footage
>goalpost shifted
>Name 5 victims that he personally kidnapped (you can't)
I’ve been asking for footage for hours. Just post it already. Where is your proof?
you asked for 5 names you disingenuous homosexual, and you were given more than 5. Stop shifting goalposts
I didn’t make that post. I only asked you for the video. The same question I have been asking the deniers all thread. Post a video of jiggy kidnapping. If you can’t do that, then you have nothing on the jig
Why aren't you responding to the other anon?
I replied to the homosexual who asked for a list.
amanda admitted to the cops that jigsaw did it
Plus, jigsaw never denies he committed any of the crimes when they have him in custody; in fact he owns up to them.
He doesn't care about the consequences because he won't live long enough for a trial: it's about his message.
So no footage, got it
there's 7 movies of footage
>movies
lol we're using movies as evidence now? Quick someone lock up thanos! He has the infinity stones!
>lol we're using movies as evidence now?
What you gonna do about it?
You frickheads are using movie logic as reasoning so I am too, GAME OVER, CHUDS
>amanda admitted to the cops that jigsaw did it
amanda who herself is an unreliable witness and not actually jiggy himself? Oh that amanda? right...
>Plus, jigsaw never denies he committed any of the crimes when they have him in custody; in fact he owns up to them.
no Jiggy never admits to any CRIMES when in custody. He admits to commiting actions. including building elaborate interactive art pieces and then ALLOWING the "victims" to CHOOSE to participate in them. But he never outright admits he commited a crime.
Checkmate anon.
>He admits to commiting actions.
criminal actions, you nonce
at no point does he admit that his actions were criminal. Like i said, is building an elaborate art piece a crime now? Exactly.
the intent to harm, torture, murder, all premeditated, and which you all admitted to
checkmate.
He only intended them to appreciate their lives and make a choice
>and which you all admitted
but im not jigsaw am i. So what would me admitting to anything have to do with him?
Hmmmmm.
How could jigsaw premeditate that these people would choose to make a choice that would cause them harm or death? Is Jigsaw a mind reader now? Is a cop suddenly a murderer because he watches a suicidal guy make the CHOICE to jump off a bridge?
Jigsaw is innocent and you cant even think of one solid argument to prove otherwise.
>How could jigsaw premeditate
when he built a torture and kill room, selected victims and them dumped them in it.
>torture and kill room
jigsaw never excplicitely calls any of the rooms this. You came up with these terms.
>selected victims
the alleged "victims" selected themselves via their various flaws. Jiggy didnt select anyone.
>dumped them in it
where is the evidence that jigsaw even touched any of these people with his own hands?
>the alleged "victims" selected themselves via their various flaws.
Nah, a schizo killed them
>gets shot in the head with a gun and your head explodes
well, you see this homosexual just walked into the path of a boom toob while the level was being massaged and it just happened to send a hug pill his way that coincidentally he had an allergic reaction to and he died of unrelated causes. Anyone using the words "gun," "trigger," or "murder" is casting aspersions on this fine pillar of the community.
>criminal
Prove it
Everybody from the first film was done by either Amanda or Hoffman
i think these are the best threands on Cinemaphile, just seeing John's face in the OP is enough to put a smile on my face
>kidnapping is a federal crime
>literally leaves tapes admitting to this at the scene of every crime, and he set up his victims for a torture game
>multiple games that he tells someone to kill someone else (including that big one in public), meaning he did murder by proxy and also on tape
>kidnapping
they could leave whenever they wanted all he did was give them a choice
>they could leave whenever they wanted
You might have an argument if Jigsaw were asking people on the street to waive their rights for his extreme rehab program, but he never even asked for their permission, and that makes it kidnapping.
They chose to enter the game through their choices in life
Jigsaw only works in a setting like China, in America we have these things called rights transcribed in our constitution that allow us to be shitty human beings if that's what we choose.
Every choice has consequences and these people chose to be part of the game through their actions. They then choose to live or die. A simple choice. Most would choose life. It’s not JigC’s fault many don’t.
>Every choice has consequences and these people chose to be part of the game through their actions.
Even if they subscribed to that line of reasoning and accepted that they deserve to be there because of their actions, consent can be retracted. Jigsaw cannot compel people to do things they don't want to do, and he cannot obstruct them from leaving if they want to leave. Jigsaw would have been in the clear if rather than stating "I want to play a game" he confirmed the consent of the people he kidnapped by asking "Do you want to play a game?"
In fact, more than one person screams "LET ME OUT!" or some variation of it. Meaning he is holding them against their will, ergo kidnapping.
They knew the rules of the game
which he kidnapped them and forced them to play against their will.
premeditated murder
They chose to enroll in the game when they made their choice
>They chose to enroll in the game
no they didn't
>They chose to enroll in the game when they made their choice
Consent can be revoked, and plenty of people made it clear they didn't want to play his game. Jigsaw CHOSE to ignore them, and that makes him culpable to murder.
>she consented to the roofie and everything else when she took the drink she was given, even if she didn't know
real incel scum here
They consented to play his games, chud.
>drugged means they gave consent
found the rapist incel
PROVE IT
No. At WORST the police would be able to build a case against the dead victims for causing self harm and suicide but no state nor court would even get within 10ft of jiggy. His system was bulletproof.
Convicting him would be like convicting ford because you decided to run on the freeway and got ran over. Its laughable. Jiggy walks a free man. He wouldnt even need a lawyer.
>says he wants to play a game
>doesn't even participate in said game, only watches
That would be like me watching someone play video games and claiming I'm also playing. The brain cancer really got to John
That would be like me watching someone play video games and claiming I'm also playing.
>implying you dont watch streams and pretend to hold a controller, playing along with your best bros through the screen
h-haha jokes on you bro
He’s like a dungeon master
Is it just me or is the pig vat on the less bad end of the spectrum in terms of jigsaw traps
I mean sure it obviously smells awful but other than that you're really not sustaining any kind of long term damage by being in it except for the possibility of drowning in rotten pig juice, but you can get out of it long before that if the guy chooses to help you out
Name me 5 crimes that Jigsaw actually committed.
Well for one, he...uh, he....h-he just did okay?!
kidnapping
unlawful imprisonment
torture
illegal possession of controlled substance with intent to distribute (and face it, he had gallons of knock out juice)
practicing medicine without a license (the surgeries)
manslaughter
murder, 1-3 degrees
tax evasion
criminal conspiracy on all the above charges
Okay, now name another 5
>shifting goalposts
go frick yourself
Exactly! you cant even name one when i ask you to! curious....
you stupid homosexual, you got over ten.
learn to read.
>says he didn't get one
>nearly gets 15
what did nonce mean by this?
still cant name 5. And you really think anything against jigsaw would hold up in court? You cant even name FIVE crimes he committed lol
you even admitted you got them.
have a nice day
yes and when asked to name another 5 you couldnt even name ONE!
pathetic. If you were the prosecution jiggy would walk within an hour.
nonce with that list he gave you, that would get him life or the chair.
don't forget some self torture and an impossible rube goldberg shit that would kill him.
>You gotta rim every buttholes in the prison, and I mean full on treasure hunting. Maybe the key is in one of them, maybe not
Don't bother, you'd list every crime then this moron would go "derp, can't list moar!"
anon, you got nearly triple what you asked.
stop being that guy
This thread is a case study of why you dont sink to the level of morons who use their ignorance as a hammer to bludgeon you
sawschizo is good fun and a staple of Cinemaphile, think of him as a buffoon
Jury pronounces sentence: GUILTY!
You made your choice, mr cramer, you lost THIS game and will face the ultimate price when you are sentenced to die by electrocution.
May God have mercy on your soul
Judge bangs gavel: GAME OVER!