They're making strides in extracting lithium from seawater, so who knows where that tech will be a few decades down the road
3 months ago
Anonymous
Where do we put all the toxic elements that are also concentrated from the sea water?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Probably in some future superfund site
3 months ago
Anonymous
What will happen is the concentrated toxic elements will be dumped back into the ocean and poison the frick out of the water in that region until it sufficiently dilutes again, which will never happen as long as toxic sludge is being dumped.
3 months ago
Anonymous
One man's trash is another man's treasure. Everything in the sludge has a potential use.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Until then small shit skin children will die in the mines and factories so you can sit on a dildo in your tesla
3 months ago
Anonymous
This is the best argument I've ever seen in favour of banning all petrol driven cars.
"Green" "energy" is just another side of the same corrupt big oil coin. Only with way more subsidies at the cost of the tax payers and with all environmental damage and slave labor swept under the rug.
>be dependent on constant oil imports from shithole countries
USA and the EU both have enough natural oil resources to be self-reliant if they'd just up production and build their own refineries.
Canada in particular is absolutely moronic because they are estimated to have the 3rd largest reserve of oil. All we do is sell it to the USA for cheap though.
You wouldn't be le based le dependant on le oil from commie le countries if le Biden didn't destroy domestic oil market to le please his foreign le handlers.
actually good point, either europe can secure fuel through force(which it could theoretically, saudi military is ass and they dont have nukes) or it should seek alternatives
>enter office in 2020 with least dependence on foreign oil in many decades if not ever >immediately shut down new domestic oil drilling leases >declare war on oil >domestic production drops precipitously >more dependent on foreign oil imports from shithole countries once again >gas prices soar
"Guys, see? There's literally no other way, sure we have billions of gallons accessible to us here in the USA, but that's BAD, we MUST reduce dependence on foreign oil by switching to electric vehicles so that you're dependent on the grid and so that you're fricked if you need to charge up in an unsafe neighborhood for of scholars, or if you want to take long trips, or if it's freezing out and you forgot to keep the battery warm overnight, or if your batteries are a few years old, or if the grid goes down, or if your communist overlords decide you're using too much electricity right now so you can only charge it at 4am, or, or, or..."
>The car completely transformed cities. It made all the cities built around the automobile. But then it had this tremendous political and economic significance too. Part of the reason is you think, "A car is a way to get from point A to point B", but no, it's not a machine; it's also the embodiment of an idea. A collectivist society would never have invented the car. Because the car is predicated on the idea that you can OWN a conveyance, that would get you and ONLY YOU from somewhere to somewhere else, without ever asking anybody for any permission.
>So the funny thing is, when you build something like that, those presuppositions are built into it. And then when you export that, say to Soviet Russia, they can't just take the car, and leave the political implications behind. The car, the mere fact that you step into one and DRIVE it, is an indication that you're accepting the political ideological presuppositions that are part of the fact that that thing even exists.
"Muh walkable cities" is always a dogwhistle for communism
Electric cars and other "green" demands are just more excuses to limit energy and motivation for Western supremacy
They do not want you to have personal agency.
They do not want you to have personal liberty.
They do not want you to go where you will, when you will.
They want you on their trains, with your RFID-chipped train card in hand, linked to all your social accounts.
They want to know where you are at all times, and they want total control of whether you're permitted to leave or purchase anything.
It’s the most moronic concept ever created. There isn’t enough lithium on the planet to replace all cars with electric ones and the energy business is getting more and more israeliteed by the second. There is no future in electric cars.
Its not looking good. It has really stalled. You assume technologies automatically improve in leaps and bounds. For example moving from horses to rocket ships. Cars, trains and planes improved rapidly but it seems rockets arnt improving quickly because there is nowhere worth going to with them.
Batteries seem much the same. They got goodish and now it seems there is no next step.
Battery technology is virtually unchanged since 40 years ago.
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Anonymous
Bullshit. The smartphone revolution has accelerated the development of battery tech. Lithium ion batteries were brought to market in the 90s and since then they've become a fraction of the cost while having much higher capacity. There's no reason to assume that we'll hit a ceiling that will impede any kind of improvements in battery tech, unless you're some culture war moron with an axe to grind with EVs
3 months ago
Anonymous
So battery capacity of lithium ion cells shows a significant increase between today and the 90s when they first launched? Or has it stagnated?
3 months ago
Anonymous
They've been steadily getting better for decades. You can extrapolate that to the coming years if you want.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Capacity is irrelevant unless you take into account size, right?
Like if I made a mansion sized battery with great capacity, that is completely useless for any portable or travel use.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Energy density has always been the issue with EVs, which is why ICE vehicles are still preferred for normal people. There's some niche applications for EVs right now, but until battery techs improves to make this less of an issue most people will be content to drive their Civics. I'm not an EV fanboy, it's just embarassing to see people root for scientific stagnation because they see EVs as a symbol of an authoritarian environmentalist state.
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
>xACKcd
3 months ago
Anonymous
How do I get a brain as smooth as yours?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know what are you talking about fellow science believer, I'm still with her. Praise be Saint Fentanoyd.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Reddit
3 months ago
Anonymous
So I just looked up that chart you posted and its methodology is absolutely atrocious
Actual quote from YOUR source: >Figure 5 shows the capacity of the batteries of different EVs from 1983, the date on which the Audi Duo was marketed with an 8 kWh battery until 2022, the date on which Tesla announced that will market a Tesla Roadster with a 200 kWh battery
3 months ago
Anonymous
There's been a number of studies on average battery capacity over the years, and there's literally nothing to suggest that it's getting worse or stagnating. Feel free to look into it
3 months ago
Anonymous
To be clear, you posted a blatantly false and bullshit source and then challenged the people who called you out on it to find a better source for YOUR own argument?
3 months ago
Anonymous
The theoretical energy density limit for lithium ions is 1,250 Wh/kg, and we haven't even reached a third of that in consumer batteries.
Feel free to support this claim that battery tech will cease to improve with something.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>There's been a number of studies on average battery capacity over the years
We're not talking about "the combined average energy storage capacity of an electric car", we're talking about the average energy storage capacity of each individual lithium ion cell.
Of course battery capacity of cars increases when manufacturers put more cells into them. That's isn't an improvement in battery technology though, which remains STAGNANT.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Energy density for lithium ion batteries has been steadily improving. But there's currently safety and performance concerns that need to be ironed out before we start seeing the ultra-dense ones in consumer goods.
>which remains STAGNANT.
Says who?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>But there's currently safety and performance concerns that need to be ironed out before we start seeing the ultra-dense ones in consumer goods.
Translated:
We made lithium ion batteries that are nearly 1/8 the energy density of gasoline instead of 1/20, but they're too dangerously and explosively unstable to ever actually see mass adoption
3 months ago
Anonymous
I already said fossil fuels mog batteries for energy density, see
Energy density has always been the issue with EVs, which is why ICE vehicles are still preferred for normal people. There's some niche applications for EVs right now, but until battery techs improves to make this less of an issue most people will be content to drive their Civics. I'm not an EV fanboy, it's just embarassing to see people root for scientific stagnation because they see EVs as a symbol of an authoritarian environmentalist state.
The idea that battery development will stagnate or regress despite wireless electronics becoming more common each year is unfounded.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This Nokia 3310 lasted for 28 hours of continuous use
The iPhone 14 lasts 9 hours; the $1,000 Pro Max upgrade lasts 13
3 months ago
Anonymous
The Nokia can make phone calls and play Snake. You cannot compare its energy demands to that of an iPhone, and you definitely can't use that to draw the conclusion that wireless technology is becoming worse.
3 months ago
Anonymous
abundant wireless internet is literally the main problem facing civilization at the moment.
3 months ago
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>The Nokia can make phone calls
That's all I expect a phone to do. I don't understand why people need a computer in their pockets. I don't understand why people need a phone in their pockets.
3 months ago
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>The Nokia can make phone calls and play Snake.
Let me guess, you need more?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh wow, an unsourced chart comparing unknown examples of energy storage. I guess that proves it!
I guarantee this piece of shit chart is mixing different battery types, comparing nickel or lead cells earlier on to lithium cells later on.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Lithium ions aren't even the latest and greatest. They've been experimenting with different materials for anodes and cathodes, like sodium ion batteries or silicon doped graphite
3 months ago
Anonymous
So I just looked up that chart you posted and its methodology is absolutely atrocious
Actual quote from YOUR source: >Figure 5 shows the capacity of the batteries of different EVs from 1983, the date on which the Audi Duo was marketed with an 8 kWh battery until 2022, the date on which Tesla announced that will market a Tesla Roadster with a 200 kWh battery
Oh God haha its worse than I thought. >hey if I chart the total battery capacity of various electric car models, this proves the underlying battery technology is improving, not that manufacturers have merely discovered ways of packing more of them into each car
Lmfao
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>since then they've become a fraction of the cost while having much higher capacity.
Yes, in the 30 years that we've had lithium ion batteries, they've become cheaper as we've achieved economies of scale, but capacity has only marginally improved because we figured out ways to make them a little bit more densely packed.
Lithium ion cells of today are fundamentally unchanged compared to the original 1980s prototypes.
3 months ago
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Incremental improvements happen over decades. There's no way to guarantee one way or the other that there will or won't be a radical new advancement in the tech.
A very underappreciated concept is that EVs aren't a replacement for cars, they're a stopgap in the abolition of cars
No, America isn't going to replace 200 million cars with 200 million Teslas. It's going to replace 200 million cars with 10 million Teslas, and you're gonna ride public transit
Did you know that frickin' Ethiopia just became the first country on earth to outright ban gasoline automobiles? That isn't some pipe dream or shitpost about the poverty-stricken land; in fact it was easy to do because about 800,000 people owned automobiles in a country with a population of 120,000,000
This is what I think is the plan. However, the US has shitty public transit within cities and especially between cities, and I dont think there is any planning to fix this yet. Everyone is going to have to Uber kek wtf
>What percentage of the Earth do you think is oil,
A much higher proportion of Earth is carbon+hydrogen than is lithium.
Biofuels will eventually GROW hydrocarbons for us.
Rowan Atkinson became extremely comfortably wealthy at a relatively young age thanks to his successful acting career.
This gave him the money to indulge one of his passions - cars. He has been a lifelong petrolhead. Give that he has a Master's degree in electrical engineering to draw on, as well as his far greater understanding and use of different kinds of vehicle, he is eminently positioned to comment on a subject like mass adoption of electric vehicles and some of the challenges and drawbacks of them.
Atkinson's views on the subject are a bit more nuanced than "petrol good, battery bad", but he does conclude that hydrocarbon technology is going to be an essential part of our society for at least another century or too, and the proposed ban is hilariously premature.
His insights are accurate. This is essentially a ban on privately owned transportation, and a destruction of the european ICE market, for whatever reasons that absolutely cannot be guessed.
He built his persona as a quiet man, which subconsciously leads people to believe your intelligent. Once he finally gained famed, respect, and admiration, he expressed his politically Right-leaning views, and people accepted it due to them viewing him as smart, which he is.
Literally hid his power level until he gained a proper following and venue to voice his opinions, it’s awesome.
>global warming is real
You mean earth has a constantly changing environment, yes.
And CO2 is good for the environment. But greentards will never compute this.
You will take 2 minute showers, flush your toilet once a day, eat bugs, live in a shoebox apartment in a crowded hellhole, and have constant power outages to save the planet, chud.
Every homosexual who can buy an electric or was interested in buying an electric car has. No one else wants them because of they are impractical for their life or they ideologically dont want them
People fail to take into account all the variables. Even if the mineral mining was perfectly clean and all the rest, there's still other problems. For example, electric cars are heavier, that means more tire and road wear; aka more pollution.
Green cars are a total scam. You can like the technology, but you aren't saving the environment.
The worst part is that since they're true believers you'll never be able to convince them of anything. When the world isn't flooded in 10 to 20 years they'll still believe.
>When the world isn't flooded in 10 to 20 years they'll still believe.
This.
They will just, kick the apocalyptical dates further, change all their slogans again, and pretend all their wrong predictions never happened, like they always do. The "solutions" will remain the same tho, communism and anti-whiteness.
The big one is that they’re going to be a draw on the electric grid, meaning we’re going to need to add much more capacity to the grid to account for all the electric cars charging at any given time, especially if people install super chargers and don’t want to wait a couple hours for a full charge. You’d think this means more renewables, but they have one big issue: the materials to make/process them come from China, and the US sees that as a massive security risk. Every single mineral that goes into electronics are now deemed Critical Minerals and the gov wants to find more local sources for it (doing a piss poor job of it, but that’s a whole other thing), and want to curb all Chinese imports of the stuff where possible.
If global warming cultists really cared about the environment they would support nuclear energy. But surprise surprise, they are all against it, playing right into the hands of oil cartels.
It was never about the planet, is just an anti-human death cult in green face.
>The 69-year-old actor's piece was headlined: "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped."
https://news.sky.com/story/mr-bean-actor-rowan-atkinson-blamed-for-slow-electric-car-sales-13065947
>The 69-year-old actor's piece was headlined: "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped."
https://news.sky.com/story/mr-bean-actor-rowan-atkinson-blamed-for-slow-electric-car-sales-13065947
Maybe it's not his fault, though. Maybe electric car sales are low because electric cars suck, and if you're gonna drop 60k on a car you want one that doesn't suck.
You know, I had some low hopes for Bongland's future, but the way they've been reacting to the ULEZ shit in London has me rethinking that.
In germany the shit skins are kept segregated in most cities so as long as you stay out of the brown part of town you’re good. In the uk they’re fricking everywhere
>germans are starting to wake up >one propaganda campaign later and they are fighting against the hand that is trying to lift the boot from their faces
People from /misc/ should just watch even a travel video (please forgive the Reddit on these guys) but you will see maybe TWO brown skins tops in the entire video in Munich.
>There is no sandBlack folk in Euroistan, this is a stab free and rape free continent were all citizens are happy and the unelected EU official always have the citizens best interest in mind.
Do you not understand the concept of a "touristic area" and how it is often the most expensive and clean part of a city, being in the city and private business' interest to keep it that way?
They also die within 5-7 years of regular use and can’t be properly recycled. But this will save the world!!! Vote for your local leftist party today!!!
In Singapore, they have a simple solution. To register a car costs about $100,000, and you have to renew it every ten years.
That's why despite being wealthier than Americans (average annual income of $87k vs $80k), only 7% of Singaporeans own cars
Lithium-ion batteries appears shitty and stagnant because in their most common application, phones, all the software is poorly coded pajeetware with no regard for efficiency or battery life + "always on" spyware at the hardware level from glowBlack folk and the CCP constantly draining the battery.
It's also due to the fact that as batteries improve, smartphones and electronics improve as well, with more features and widgets, which creates a greater energy demand, effectively negating improvements in the battery. That certainly gives an impression of "stagnation" as well.
lmao if you think the locked-in CUDA NVIDIA shitware running on a Jetson that's going to steer all the next generation of automotive AI in EVs is going to be power efficient at all.
Mr Bean is a certified 200+ in genius and a Fellow at Oxford. The man knows his engineering.
But I'd just as soon blame the Top Gear lads more than anyone else because Jezza laid out the problems with "green" electric vehicles along ago.
https://youtube.com/shorts/uF_S8FYo9Ys?si=H-o8Ndli300TR3Ck
This guy tool around the UK in pic related irl, frick that gay mini from the series. Imagine being in your car and getting buzzed by Mr Bean in a supercar.
Electric cars are fricking gay and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
It's le based to be dependent on constant oil imports from shithole countries that are using that dependence against us
So don't be European, gay.
oh yes, this is much better
well done, comrade
well done
>You did not see graphite because it wasn't there
>he doesn't go dumpster diving behind restaurants every night for biodiesel
>imports
This, so much this. I prefer batteries, solar panels, and windmills that manifest themselves out of thin air! I love green energy now.
Wait until you learn, where rare earth mineral come from, who extracts them, how they extract and what happen to batteries after they are dead...
Rare earth minerals, contrary to popular belief, are not rare.
They're fricking everywhere but it's cheaper to import them from shitholes.
It also causes enormous environmental damage and poisons the workers. Which is best done in poor countries.
They're making strides in extracting lithium from seawater, so who knows where that tech will be a few decades down the road
Where do we put all the toxic elements that are also concentrated from the sea water?
Probably in some future superfund site
What will happen is the concentrated toxic elements will be dumped back into the ocean and poison the frick out of the water in that region until it sufficiently dilutes again, which will never happen as long as toxic sludge is being dumped.
One man's trash is another man's treasure. Everything in the sludge has a potential use.
Until then small shit skin children will die in the mines and factories so you can sit on a dildo in your tesla
This is the best argument I've ever seen in favour of banning all petrol driven cars.
The USA has a giant lithium deposit that could last us to the end of time.
Unfortunately it's in California, so we will not be mining it anytime soon.
you fell for big oil propaganda.
Most people think that the green lobby and "big oil" are two opposing sides when "big oil" already owns all the green technology.
Captcha: HRG0D
"Green" "energy" is just another side of the same corrupt big oil coin. Only with way more subsidies at the cost of the tax payers and with all environmental damage and slave labor swept under the rug.
>be dependent on constant oil imports from shithole countries
USA and the EU both have enough natural oil resources to be self-reliant if they'd just up production and build their own refineries.
Canada in particular is absolutely moronic because they are estimated to have the 3rd largest reserve of oil. All we do is sell it to the USA for cheap though.
Because it's shitty oil from the Alberta oil sand and we have the infrastructure in place to refine it
You don’t know? Your government was forced to finish that pipeline to China, so your selling to to both the US and China for cheap now
Where does the energy to charge EVs' battaries come from?
>It's le based to be dependent on constant oil imports from shithole countries
How do you think the vast majority of electric power is created? lmao
You wouldn't be le based le dependant on le oil from commie le countries if le Biden didn't destroy domestic oil market to le please his foreign le handlers.
actually good point, either europe can secure fuel through force(which it could theoretically, saudi military is ass and they dont have nukes) or it should seek alternatives
>enter office in 2020 with least dependence on foreign oil in many decades if not ever
>immediately shut down new domestic oil drilling leases
>declare war on oil
>domestic production drops precipitously
>more dependent on foreign oil imports from shithole countries once again
>gas prices soar
"Guys, see? There's literally no other way, sure we have billions of gallons accessible to us here in the USA, but that's BAD, we MUST reduce dependence on foreign oil by switching to electric vehicles so that you're dependent on the grid and so that you're fricked if you need to charge up in an unsafe neighborhood for of scholars, or if you want to take long trips, or if it's freezing out and you forgot to keep the battery warm overnight, or if your batteries are a few years old, or if the grid goes down, or if your communist overlords decide you're using too much electricity right now so you can only charge it at 4am, or, or, or..."
>The car completely transformed cities. It made all the cities built around the automobile. But then it had this tremendous political and economic significance too. Part of the reason is you think, "A car is a way to get from point A to point B", but no, it's not a machine; it's also the embodiment of an idea. A collectivist society would never have invented the car. Because the car is predicated on the idea that you can OWN a conveyance, that would get you and ONLY YOU from somewhere to somewhere else, without ever asking anybody for any permission.
>So the funny thing is, when you build something like that, those presuppositions are built into it. And then when you export that, say to Soviet Russia, they can't just take the car, and leave the political implications behind. The car, the mere fact that you step into one and DRIVE it, is an indication that you're accepting the political ideological presuppositions that are part of the fact that that thing even exists.
"Muh walkable cities" is always a dogwhistle for communism
Electric cars and other "green" demands are just more excuses to limit energy and motivation for Western supremacy
They do not want you to have personal agency.
They do not want you to have personal liberty.
They do not want you to go where you will, when you will.
They want you on their trains, with your RFID-chipped train card in hand, linked to all your social accounts.
They want to know where you are at all times, and they want total control of whether you're permitted to leave or purchase anything.
All communists deserve death.
They're the future, old man.
>chinese letters
Oh, that makes sense.
HOW?
Static electricity.
But why truck full of bubble wrap(?) had flamable gas in it?
Cotton. Google it.
nerve gas
It’s the most moronic concept ever created. There isn’t enough lithium on the planet to replace all cars with electric ones and the energy business is getting more and more israeliteed by the second. There is no future in electric cars.
It's OK, we're shifting to sodium
It’s ok I will buy another petrol car when I sell the one I have
Sure assuming battery technology just stops as of this moment.
Its not looking good. It has really stalled. You assume technologies automatically improve in leaps and bounds. For example moving from horses to rocket ships. Cars, trains and planes improved rapidly but it seems rockets arnt improving quickly because there is nowhere worth going to with them.
Batteries seem much the same. They got goodish and now it seems there is no next step.
On the other hand you're assuming it will suddenly and totally stagnate
Battery technology is virtually unchanged since 40 years ago.
Bullshit. The smartphone revolution has accelerated the development of battery tech. Lithium ion batteries were brought to market in the 90s and since then they've become a fraction of the cost while having much higher capacity. There's no reason to assume that we'll hit a ceiling that will impede any kind of improvements in battery tech, unless you're some culture war moron with an axe to grind with EVs
So battery capacity of lithium ion cells shows a significant increase between today and the 90s when they first launched? Or has it stagnated?
They've been steadily getting better for decades. You can extrapolate that to the coming years if you want.
Capacity is irrelevant unless you take into account size, right?
Like if I made a mansion sized battery with great capacity, that is completely useless for any portable or travel use.
Energy density has always been the issue with EVs, which is why ICE vehicles are still preferred for normal people. There's some niche applications for EVs right now, but until battery techs improves to make this less of an issue most people will be content to drive their Civics. I'm not an EV fanboy, it's just embarassing to see people root for scientific stagnation because they see EVs as a symbol of an authoritarian environmentalist state.
>xACKcd
How do I get a brain as smooth as yours?
I don't know what are you talking about fellow science believer, I'm still with her. Praise be Saint Fentanoyd.
Reddit
So I just looked up that chart you posted and its methodology is absolutely atrocious
Actual quote from YOUR source:
>Figure 5 shows the capacity of the batteries of different EVs from 1983, the date on which the Audi Duo was marketed with an 8 kWh battery until 2022, the date on which Tesla announced that will market a Tesla Roadster with a 200 kWh battery
There's been a number of studies on average battery capacity over the years, and there's literally nothing to suggest that it's getting worse or stagnating. Feel free to look into it
To be clear, you posted a blatantly false and bullshit source and then challenged the people who called you out on it to find a better source for YOUR own argument?
The theoretical energy density limit for lithium ions is 1,250 Wh/kg, and we haven't even reached a third of that in consumer batteries.
https://physicsworld.com/a/lithium-ion-batteries-break-energy-density-record/
Feel free to support this claim that battery tech will cease to improve with something.
>There's been a number of studies on average battery capacity over the years
We're not talking about "the combined average energy storage capacity of an electric car", we're talking about the average energy storage capacity of each individual lithium ion cell.
Of course battery capacity of cars increases when manufacturers put more cells into them. That's isn't an improvement in battery technology though, which remains STAGNANT.
Energy density for lithium ion batteries has been steadily improving. But there's currently safety and performance concerns that need to be ironed out before we start seeing the ultra-dense ones in consumer goods.
>which remains STAGNANT.
Says who?
>But there's currently safety and performance concerns that need to be ironed out before we start seeing the ultra-dense ones in consumer goods.
Translated:
We made lithium ion batteries that are nearly 1/8 the energy density of gasoline instead of 1/20, but they're too dangerously and explosively unstable to ever actually see mass adoption
I already said fossil fuels mog batteries for energy density, see
The idea that battery development will stagnate or regress despite wireless electronics becoming more common each year is unfounded.
This Nokia 3310 lasted for 28 hours of continuous use
The iPhone 14 lasts 9 hours; the $1,000 Pro Max upgrade lasts 13
The Nokia can make phone calls and play Snake. You cannot compare its energy demands to that of an iPhone, and you definitely can't use that to draw the conclusion that wireless technology is becoming worse.
abundant wireless internet is literally the main problem facing civilization at the moment.
>The Nokia can make phone calls
That's all I expect a phone to do. I don't understand why people need a computer in their pockets. I don't understand why people need a phone in their pockets.
>The Nokia can make phone calls and play Snake.
Let me guess, you need more?
Oh wow, an unsourced chart comparing unknown examples of energy storage. I guess that proves it!
I guarantee this piece of shit chart is mixing different battery types, comparing nickel or lead cells earlier on to lithium cells later on.
Lithium ions aren't even the latest and greatest. They've been experimenting with different materials for anodes and cathodes, like sodium ion batteries or silicon doped graphite
Oh God haha its worse than I thought.
>hey if I chart the total battery capacity of various electric car models, this proves the underlying battery technology is improving, not that manufacturers have merely discovered ways of packing more of them into each car
Lmfao
>since then they've become a fraction of the cost while having much higher capacity.
Yes, in the 30 years that we've had lithium ion batteries, they've become cheaper as we've achieved economies of scale, but capacity has only marginally improved because we figured out ways to make them a little bit more densely packed.
Lithium ion cells of today are fundamentally unchanged compared to the original 1980s prototypes.
Incremental improvements happen over decades. There's no way to guarantee one way or the other that there will or won't be a radical new advancement in the tech.
A very underappreciated concept is that EVs aren't a replacement for cars, they're a stopgap in the abolition of cars
No, America isn't going to replace 200 million cars with 200 million Teslas. It's going to replace 200 million cars with 10 million Teslas, and you're gonna ride public transit
Did you know that frickin' Ethiopia just became the first country on earth to outright ban gasoline automobiles? That isn't some pipe dream or shitpost about the poverty-stricken land; in fact it was easy to do because about 800,000 people owned automobiles in a country with a population of 120,000,000
This is what I think is the plan. However, the US has shitty public transit within cities and especially between cities, and I dont think there is any planning to fix this yet. Everyone is going to have to Uber kek wtf
>Lithium
>One of the most abundant elements in the Earth's crust
... What percentage of the Earth do you think is oil, anon?
>What percentage of the Earth do you think is oil,
A much higher proportion of Earth is carbon+hydrogen than is lithium.
Biofuels will eventually GROW hydrocarbons for us.
We will be around when the first nuclear car hits the market.
How did he gain this power?
Bongs are moronic and actually listen to celebrities.
To be entirely fair some of them have actually gone to university.
Rowan Atkinson became extremely comfortably wealthy at a relatively young age thanks to his successful acting career.
This gave him the money to indulge one of his passions - cars. He has been a lifelong petrolhead. Give that he has a Master's degree in electrical engineering to draw on, as well as his far greater understanding and use of different kinds of vehicle, he is eminently positioned to comment on a subject like mass adoption of electric vehicles and some of the challenges and drawbacks of them.
Atkinson's views on the subject are a bit more nuanced than "petrol good, battery bad", but he does conclude that hydrocarbon technology is going to be an essential part of our society for at least another century or too, and the proposed ban is hilariously premature.
His insights are accurate. This is essentially a ban on privately owned transportation, and a destruction of the european ICE market, for whatever reasons that absolutely cannot be guessed.
Not from a Jedi.
He's retroactively gone too far
Turns out it was a Paki in the Reliant the whole time
He built his persona as a quiet man, which subconsciously leads people to believe your intelligent. Once he finally gained famed, respect, and admiration, he expressed his politically Right-leaning views, and people accepted it due to them viewing him as smart, which he is.
Literally hid his power level until he gained a proper following and venue to voice his opinions, it’s awesome.
Wow so high power levels being right wing
He is too based for words tbh.
>your
>I like curry
What the frick is wrong with the British?
If you don't like curry you're a homosexual.
British were the ones who invented curry.
It's just multiple variations of curcuma, ginger and chilli, and had nothing to do with India.
Of course all three those spices originate from Wales. Except ginger
Gingers come from Ireland, that's close enough.
global warming is real but green energy is a scam. we already figured that shit out with nuclear energy.
>global warming is real
You mean earth has a constantly changing environment, yes.
And CO2 is good for the environment. But greentards will never compute this.
if manmade global warming is real, I'm still not paying taxes to pedophiles to 'fix it' in canada when china and india exist
You will take 2 minute showers, flush your toilet once a day, eat bugs, live in a shoebox apartment in a crowded hellhole, and have constant power outages to save the planet, chud.
they already tried a remake with his bee netflix movie. it was garbage
Mr Bean? More like Mr "Be Not Purchasing An Electric Vehicle", am I right?
Every homosexual who can buy an electric or was interested in buying an electric car has. No one else wants them because of they are impractical for their life or they ideologically dont want them
The environmental impact of a product is equivalent to its cost. Electric car costs more so it is more damaging.
People fail to take into account all the variables. Even if the mineral mining was perfectly clean and all the rest, there's still other problems. For example, electric cars are heavier, that means more tire and road wear; aka more pollution.
Green cars are a total scam. You can like the technology, but you aren't saving the environment.
The worst part is that since they're true believers you'll never be able to convince them of anything. When the world isn't flooded in 10 to 20 years they'll still believe.
>When the world isn't flooded in 10 to 20 years they'll still believe.
This.
They will just, kick the apocalyptical dates further, change all their slogans again, and pretend all their wrong predictions never happened, like they always do. The "solutions" will remain the same tho, communism and anti-whiteness.
The big one is that they’re going to be a draw on the electric grid, meaning we’re going to need to add much more capacity to the grid to account for all the electric cars charging at any given time, especially if people install super chargers and don’t want to wait a couple hours for a full charge. You’d think this means more renewables, but they have one big issue: the materials to make/process them come from China, and the US sees that as a massive security risk. Every single mineral that goes into electronics are now deemed Critical Minerals and the gov wants to find more local sources for it (doing a piss poor job of it, but that’s a whole other thing), and want to curb all Chinese imports of the stuff where possible.
If global warming cultists really cared about the environment they would support nuclear energy. But surprise surprise, they are all against it, playing right into the hands of oil cartels.
It was never about the planet, is just an anti-human death cult in green face.
...and what did he actually say?
>The 69-year-old actor's piece was headlined: "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped."
https://news.sky.com/story/mr-bean-actor-rowan-atkinson-blamed-for-slow-electric-car-sales-13065947
Don't worry. His OPINIONS were debunked. Someone that no one has ever heard of before said "no. electric car are very good."
What kind of brain damaged slugs dont see straight through this propaganda?
Or, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/03/electric-vehicles-early-adopter-petrol-car-ev-environment-rowan-atkinson
Maybe it's not his fault, though. Maybe electric car sales are low because electric cars suck, and if you're gonna drop 60k on a car you want one that doesn't suck.
You know, I had some low hopes for Bongland's future, but the way they've been reacting to the ULEZ shit in London has me rethinking that.
Take solace in the fact that no matter how bad it gets in Britain, it will be far worse in Germanistan.
You should try visiting these countries. The UK is grim.
In germany the shit skins are kept segregated in most cities so as long as you stay out of the brown part of town you’re good. In the uk they’re fricking everywhere
germans are starting to wake up, bongs are still content with the boot pushing down on their neck
>germans are starting to wake up
>one propaganda campaign later and they are fighting against the hand that is trying to lift the boot from their faces
People from /misc/ should just watch even a travel video (please forgive the Reddit on these guys) but you will see maybe TWO brown skins tops in the entire video in Munich.
>There is no sandBlack folk in Euroistan, this is a stab free and rape free continent were all citizens are happy and the unelected EU official always have the citizens best interest in mind.
Do you not understand the concept of a "touristic area" and how it is often the most expensive and clean part of a city, being in the city and private business' interest to keep it that way?
>EVs are not a giant scam made for and by the 1%-ACK
Autism activists would get the show cancelled or otherwise frick it up.
Its too early to buy an electric car. There isnt the infrastructure yet and I would hope thr batteries get better. They kind of suck now.
>batteries get better
batteries haven't improved in 20 years
dead technology
They also die within 5-7 years of regular use and can’t be properly recycled. But this will save the world!!! Vote for your local leftist party today!!!
reminder that Audrey Hepburn looks like Mr Bean
Mr. Beantards speak against chinese economic interests.
Only if Mr Bean is still played by Rowan Atkinson instead of a Black person.
Can everyone who loves EVs just admit that they love child slavery more than others? At least oil companies hire white collar professionals on deck.
Very few people in this thread shilling for EV. That's a big change than just a few years ago. Have people woken up to the scam?
>Have people woken up to the scam?
Maybe I know a few who switch back to hybrids.
>Have people woken up to the scam?
Yes, they've woken up to this global deindustrialisation scam.
In Singapore, they have a simple solution. To register a car costs about $100,000, and you have to renew it every ten years.
That's why despite being wealthier than Americans (average annual income of $87k vs $80k), only 7% of Singaporeans own cars
Id definitely leave Singapore if that were the case. Public transport is hell.
Not in Singapore, it isn't.
Singapore is fricking tiny.
Where they frick could you even drive?
It's clear, we must lock up Mr. Bean for anti-enviroment speech, HAIL BRITANNIA
That bee "show" he did (which was just a movie chopped into episodes for some reason) was awful.
>PETROL
It's gasoline you homosexual European fricks
It's benzin
>Brothers
>sisters
>don't bundirra
Lithium-ion batteries appears shitty and stagnant because in their most common application, phones, all the software is poorly coded pajeetware with no regard for efficiency or battery life + "always on" spyware at the hardware level from glowBlack folk and the CCP constantly draining the battery.
It's also due to the fact that as batteries improve, smartphones and electronics improve as well, with more features and widgets, which creates a greater energy demand, effectively negating improvements in the battery. That certainly gives an impression of "stagnation" as well.
lmao if you think the locked-in CUDA NVIDIA shitware running on a Jetson that's going to steer all the next generation of automotive AI in EVs is going to be power efficient at all.
Everything from njudia is certified pajeetware.
Mr Bean is a certified 200+ in genius and a Fellow at Oxford. The man knows his engineering.
But I'd just as soon blame the Top Gear lads more than anyone else because Jezza laid out the problems with "green" electric vehicles along ago.
https://youtube.com/shorts/uF_S8FYo9Ys?si=H-o8Ndli300TR3Ck
>Ie funny B sound man
Frick him.
>you vill sit in the mobile crematorium
>anon on his way to work after posting all night about endochrome
Daily reminder that James Acaster was cucked by Mr Bean
Stop it I can only admire Mr Atkinson so much
>why yes it's a resist capitalism model what gave it away?
>Risk of injury to use the windshield wipers
Damned if you don't, damned if you do.
>Mr Beaner
Maybe
This guy tool around the UK in pic related irl, frick that gay mini from the series. Imagine being in your car and getting buzzed by Mr Bean in a supercar.
>the government doesn't like Rowan Atkinson's views
YOU DON'T SAY
I look forward to him harassing a tesla. It could even have one where we finally see who is driving it just to discover it was driving itself