If it happened directly after WandaVision, and instead of her being in Doctor Strange 2, it would have at least done better than The Marvels. After the effort they've put into sabotaging Wanda, I don't know if she can come back from that.
Yes. Even before Wandavision, Wanda was a character that the audience knew and had some reason to care about. She wasn't a MAIN character, but she had a backstory and a personality and cool powers and a decent emotional core to her story. A Wanda movie would have worked for basically all of the same reasons that Wandavision *did* work, it only technically wasn't a movie due to its release format.
The Marvels was a mess for 2 big reasons: The first was that the last bunch of MCU properties have been lackluster (with the sole exception of GOTG3) so the hype was at a low point for ANY new MCU movie. So there isn't any goodwill to carry audiences into this film out of loyalty to the brand.
And the second is that it advertises itself as having 3 protagonists, only one of which exists for audiences that primarily watch the MCU in theaters. Monica doesn't exist to people who didn't watch Wandavision, and barely exists to those that did. Kamala had a Disney+ show of her own, but thats unless you watched that you don't know who she is either. So for casual audiences who don't obsessively watch everything the only face they know is Carol. And Carol doesn't have a personality in the MCU. She should, she's been in multiple movies, but her own movie has her mindwiped for the majority of its runtime and she only breaks free at the end, giving us no time to get to know her. This is then immediately followed by a 30 year timeskip, during which time we have to assume she developed as a character, and her cameo appearances since then never told us what she is like now aside from 'strong'. It wouldn't take much to develop her, but somehow it didn't happen.
Thats not a character that put butts in seats, and it has absolutely nothing to do with nerds getting mad at her actress on twitter. That the marvels is floundering in theaters is a coincidence to that whole tantrum, not a result of it.
It's like Disney and Hollywood in general want to push heroines who fit the "strong female character" template to the point where even Disney Princess movies are featuring heroines who Don't Need No Man. Then the MCU has this side character who's feminine rather than feminist, whose story in the movies hinges on a romance with a team-mate, and when she finally gets to have her own story, it's about how despite all her power, she just wants a normal life, to be a wife and a mother. And that connected with audiences, male and female, more than any of the heroines they want to push as lead characters.
Hollywood famously has no idea how to do a strong female character except by accident, because they consider 'strong' to exclusively mean 'the exact ways that a male character is strong' and thus end up with male characters with female designs.
A strong male character is portrayed as hard and stoic and violent. Thats the male approach to problem solving, a masculine ideal. A woman with power would not, and should not, act the same way. Thats how you end up with MCU Carol, all personality buried under a stock military trope where if you made the character male it wouldn't change a damn thing.
Strong female character use of power should be much more emotionally driven, whether that be compassion or vengeance. The emotional narrative leading up to the moment of violence is what makes the violence meaningful. And you actually do see this with Wanda, even. Her moments of greatest power are all driven by grief, never just rage on its own.
The problem is often worse than that. They can't even do a strong female character who's just a strong man who happens to be a woman. Strong male characters still have dimensionality to them unless they're caricatures, and everyone recognizes them as caricatures just as they do the strong female who's just randomly the boss of every scene and has nothing going on outside of being in charge. Actresses dislike the strong female character because it's barely a role. A strong woman doesn't have to be highly emotive, but it should at least be clear that there's something going on that makes her act the way she does.
Even Carol could have been compelling if they gave her an interior life that informed her tough outer shell, but they didn't really do that, so she ends up seeming like a cliche.
>and when she finally gets to have her own story, it's about how despite all her power, she just wants a normal life, to be a wife and a mother. And that connected with audiences, male and female, more than any of the heroines they want to push as lead characters.
Nobody can AFFORD the whole nuclear family deal these days. So it was nice to live it a little with Wanda. Older folks loved the throwbacks, and millennials/GenX can live vicariously through Wanda and Vision. Zoomers get something different than the troonyslop they're usually fed. There was something for everyone.
In 2021 after Wandavision: yes.
In 2022 instead of Doctor Strange 2: yes.
In 2023 after Doctor Strange 2: probably not, they fricked the character hard and if they do a movie it will be where she's used to shill her homosexual kid for young avengers.
>Yeah, Twitter women probably would have shilled it like the Barbie movie.
And guys would have happily gone to watch it because MCU Waifu, and the domestic life Wanda and Vision wanted is something most people can relate to wanting.
Olsen can't carry shit by herself, Wandavision kinda worked only because she had some strong support characters by her side, namely Vision's and, later, Agatha's actors. MoM was more hit and miss, but it would have been worse without Cumberbatch's charisma. Wandagays are delusional as always
Elizabeth Olsen is way less of a c**t than Brie Larson so yeah
I mean it basically did, yeah.
If it happened directly after WandaVision, and instead of her being in Doctor Strange 2, it would have at least done better than The Marvels. After the effort they've put into sabotaging Wanda, I don't know if she can come back from that.
Yes. Even before Wandavision, Wanda was a character that the audience knew and had some reason to care about. She wasn't a MAIN character, but she had a backstory and a personality and cool powers and a decent emotional core to her story. A Wanda movie would have worked for basically all of the same reasons that Wandavision *did* work, it only technically wasn't a movie due to its release format.
The Marvels was a mess for 2 big reasons: The first was that the last bunch of MCU properties have been lackluster (with the sole exception of GOTG3) so the hype was at a low point for ANY new MCU movie. So there isn't any goodwill to carry audiences into this film out of loyalty to the brand.
And the second is that it advertises itself as having 3 protagonists, only one of which exists for audiences that primarily watch the MCU in theaters. Monica doesn't exist to people who didn't watch Wandavision, and barely exists to those that did. Kamala had a Disney+ show of her own, but thats unless you watched that you don't know who she is either. So for casual audiences who don't obsessively watch everything the only face they know is Carol. And Carol doesn't have a personality in the MCU. She should, she's been in multiple movies, but her own movie has her mindwiped for the majority of its runtime and she only breaks free at the end, giving us no time to get to know her. This is then immediately followed by a 30 year timeskip, during which time we have to assume she developed as a character, and her cameo appearances since then never told us what she is like now aside from 'strong'. It wouldn't take much to develop her, but somehow it didn't happen.
Thats not a character that put butts in seats, and it has absolutely nothing to do with nerds getting mad at her actress on twitter. That the marvels is floundering in theaters is a coincidence to that whole tantrum, not a result of it.
It's like Disney and Hollywood in general want to push heroines who fit the "strong female character" template to the point where even Disney Princess movies are featuring heroines who Don't Need No Man. Then the MCU has this side character who's feminine rather than feminist, whose story in the movies hinges on a romance with a team-mate, and when she finally gets to have her own story, it's about how despite all her power, she just wants a normal life, to be a wife and a mother. And that connected with audiences, male and female, more than any of the heroines they want to push as lead characters.
Hollywood famously has no idea how to do a strong female character except by accident, because they consider 'strong' to exclusively mean 'the exact ways that a male character is strong' and thus end up with male characters with female designs.
A strong male character is portrayed as hard and stoic and violent. Thats the male approach to problem solving, a masculine ideal. A woman with power would not, and should not, act the same way. Thats how you end up with MCU Carol, all personality buried under a stock military trope where if you made the character male it wouldn't change a damn thing.
Strong female character use of power should be much more emotionally driven, whether that be compassion or vengeance. The emotional narrative leading up to the moment of violence is what makes the violence meaningful. And you actually do see this with Wanda, even. Her moments of greatest power are all driven by grief, never just rage on its own.
The problem is often worse than that. They can't even do a strong female character who's just a strong man who happens to be a woman. Strong male characters still have dimensionality to them unless they're caricatures, and everyone recognizes them as caricatures just as they do the strong female who's just randomly the boss of every scene and has nothing going on outside of being in charge. Actresses dislike the strong female character because it's barely a role. A strong woman doesn't have to be highly emotive, but it should at least be clear that there's something going on that makes her act the way she does.
Even Carol could have been compelling if they gave her an interior life that informed her tough outer shell, but they didn't really do that, so she ends up seeming like a cliche.
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>and when she finally gets to have her own story, it's about how despite all her power, she just wants a normal life, to be a wife and a mother. And that connected with audiences, male and female, more than any of the heroines they want to push as lead characters.
Nobody can AFFORD the whole nuclear family deal these days. So it was nice to live it a little with Wanda. Older folks loved the throwbacks, and millennials/GenX can live vicariously through Wanda and Vision. Zoomers get something different than the troonyslop they're usually fed. There was something for everyone.
In 2021 after Wandavision: yes.
In 2022 instead of Doctor Strange 2: yes.
In 2023 after Doctor Strange 2: probably not, they fricked the character hard and if they do a movie it will be where she's used to shill her homosexual kid for young avengers.
Yeah, Twitter women probably would have shilled it like the Barbie movie. The Marvels really wasn't for anyone.
>Yeah, Twitter women probably would have shilled it like the Barbie movie.
And guys would have happily gone to watch it because MCU Waifu, and the domestic life Wanda and Vision wanted is something most people can relate to wanting.
another one? wasn't multiverse of madness enough?
Pre-MoM, yeah.
Make a Christmas movie with Shulkie and Wanda fighting classic Marvel villans to save Christmas for a bunch of poor kids (get it, green and red)
Olsen can't carry shit by herself, Wandavision kinda worked only because she had some strong support characters by her side, namely Vision's and, later, Agatha's actors. MoM was more hit and miss, but it would have been worse without Cumberbatch's charisma. Wandagays are delusional as always