Would feanor have been tempted by the one ring. Let's have an intellectual discussion instead of the garbage lotr threads you zoomer morons keep making.
Would feanor have been tempted by the one ring.
Would feanor have been tempted by the one ring. Let's have an intellectual discussion instead of the garbage lotr threads you zoomer morons keep making.
everyone is tempted
why would feanor be tempted by it, this is assuming he has just completed making the silmarils, why would he not consider it a lesser israeliteel
Just because he had something even more valuable doesn't mean he wouldn't also want the ring.
Would you reject 50$ because you already own a 100$ bill?
He did not only have it. that's not the point, the point is that he could make it better or that he had a greater ability to achieve his goals compared to anyone else, there's nothing the ring can tempt him with that he hasn't thought about before. Yes i would because i know how to make more money to the tune of being a billionaire where having money is pointless ala feanor
the ring doesn't tempt people because of its value or beauty
read the whole thread, it will save you from replying with arguments that have already been repeated
>Would feanor have been tempted by the one ring
Probably not. He was extremely smug about his work on the israeliteels and would likely make fun of the ring for the barebones craftsmanship.
The morons at nerd of the rings and in deep geek need to make a video about this. It would make a very interesting video. I'm sure they steal a few ideas here from time to time.
Of course he would, took thousands of years for Galadriel to have the inner strength/wisdom to reject it
Feanor was the king of dumb decisions operating almost exclusively under the personality of 'big mad'
>Feanor was the king of dumb decisions operating almost exclusively under the personality of 'big mad'
And behind the personality of big mad was his unmatched autism over the beauty of crafting top tier israeliteelry. The Silmarils were such a big deal that even the gods themselves coveted them. the Ring is much less important than that. Feanor wouldn't give a shit as long as the Silmarils still existed, if they never existed then he'd be tempted yeah.
>if they never existed then he'd be tempted yeah.
before, he made the palantiri which i think are kind of a bigger version of the ring, plus they allow you to see video in real time unlike sauron's rings which only allow one way communication
I don't think so, he has too much pride in his own work to desire the works of others. he's the biggest, best, brightest of them all.
And because people keep forgetting. Morgoth was jealous of Feanor's ability even though he was able to raise mountains, make orcs and dragons, etc. That led him to kill finwe, his father and steal the silmarils.
Why would he though? His craftmanship was superior and don't give me that gandalf speech about it corrupting everyone else. Feanor had no equal in the first age leave alone the third age, there was just no one like him so what exactly would he be tempted by? Also his 'dumb' decisions led to the defeat of morgoth when everyone else was too afraid of making any.
Feanor just wanted his stuff back. Silmarils were his property and they were stolen.
and they really tied the room together
Fantasy as a form of genre is anti-intellectual both in literature and film, so is the discussions about it. That is why the low IQ "garbage" threads we do have about it are infinitely more intelligent and entertaining.
Tolkien legendarium is about as consistent as you will ever get to any fictional story, that's why people still talk about it almost 100 years later.
Tolkien didn't write 'fantasy'
tolkien based his story on ancient anglo saxon myths and developed his own languages for fun. he's not in the same category as dungeons and dragons.
>lets have an intellectual discussion about the deep lore behind a film series about people walking around aimlessly when all they needed to do was to throw a ring into a volcano
Yes, as the ring is made for that. The temptation is not just the power granted by the ring but an additional effect caused by the ring, like putting heroin in cookies. IMO a narrative mistake but there we are.
What temptation? None of you morons mention this whenever i ask? Why would a person who can make a car from scratch be tempted by a bicycle??
But I just told you. The effect of the ring includes temptation. It doesn't matter that he could make a better one. Doesn't have to be logical. Anyone who sees it is just tempted anyway.
That's a circular argument. Temptation doesn't arise out of a vacuum. It has to be motivated by something and there's nothing the ring or sauron can whisper to feanor that he wouldn't be able to do in a better way or that he hasn't already done and he knows this which is why he thinks everyone is beneath him so he wouldn't even consider giving any attention to it. The ring's power comes from sauron deceiving lesser beings and he deceives them with lies about what they can or can't do.
The temptation is literal magic imbued into the ring by Sauron because the ring is a part of Sauron too, it’s not logical, it’s magic. The ring has intentions and motives, and the wearer gets those blasted on their mind.
>That's a circular argument. Temptation doesn't arise out of a vacuum. It has to be motivated by something and there's nothing the ring or sauron can whisper to feanor that he wouldn't be able to do in a better way or that he hasn't already done and he knows this which is why he thinks everyone is beneath him so he wouldn't even consider giving any attention to it.
But the ring would prevent him from thinking that and cause him to think that he could do even better stuff if he had it. That is the entire point lol. The ring changes the way you think and the way you feel.
You guys are introducing your own canon. The ring is part of sauron, who deceives people with dreams about what they can or can't do. Calling it magic does not change that. Even magic has consistency, at least in lotr.
>But the ring would prevent him from thinking that and cause him to think that he could do even better stuff if he had it
And the only reason why this would work is because sauron knows what you can or can't do. In the case of Feanor, who surpasses sauron in skill, this wouldn't be the case. Imagine a 4th grader telling you that you can't multiply 3 digit numbers in your head when you are known as the human calculator? The 4th grader is too stupid to know what you are capable of because he hasn't tried it himself or has done so and failed so he thinks that no one can because he has limited experience calculating things in his head.
Not so. It doesn't matter what Sauron could imagine. No matter how good Feanor was, there are certainly things he could not do, and it doesn't matter what, as long as he himself thinks they are hard/not possible because of reason X. Then the ring will make him think that it will enable him to bypass that X and do those things.
It does because your moronic logic assumes that the ring draws magic from some powerful spring when what it does is use sauron's deceiving abilities to lie to people. The ring is made animate by sauron's spirit because he poured it into the ring as Feanor poured his spirit into the silmarils, same case with morgoth's spirit into middle earth and Eru's spirit into arda. That's the fundamental way magic works in tolkien's legendarium. Its a battle of spirits and their general abilities to resist each other.
>The ring is made animate by sauron's spirit because he poured it into the ring as Feanor poured his spirit into the silmarils
Feanor had more spirit than Sauron, too. Even after doing shit like making the palantiri and silmarils, when Feanor died he still burst into flame from all his soul-fire-energy.
>there are certainly things he could not do, and it doesn't matter wha
of course this is true, but sauron doesn't know what they are because he is much less smarter, am i arguing with a moron who doesn't seem to understand logic?
It’s Sauron’s soul. Sauron had the same characteristic of temptation it’s why the Maiar and people kept giving him chances
So Feanor was basically trump?
>So Feanor was basically trump?
No, Trump has never done anything worth being proud of in his life, he's pathetic it's why his father hated him. Feanor has actual talent and was justly overproud of himself.
He would carry the ring to Mordor so he could personally critique its inferior design to Sauron. Then hand the ring over so the pathetic Maia nerd puts up more of a fight. Beaten by a talking doggo kek.
Yes, it would have corrupted Gandalf and he knew it.
The ring does not test your abilities but your will. You can be the smartest person in the world but you can still be a dickhead, or you can be a hobbit like Bilbo or Frodo and resist it, for a while at least.
Gandalf had a job to do, bilbo did not. Those are two different motivations. Plus gandalf's spirit was confined to an old man. Olorin could certainly have resisted the ring.
How did Isildur get away with keeping the ring? Nothing he did between then and getting morc'd by orcs seemed corrupt in any way
There's like a week between both
Didn't the Orcs kill him like at the way home?
Feanor was so extremely autistic that I don't think he would care. He only gives a shit about the Silmarils and punishing Morgoth, so the only way the Ring would tempt him is if it convinces him he needs it to achieve these goals
>is if it convinces him he needs it to achieve these goals
How would it do this when he already knows how to do this. How would the ring know how to do it better? How would sauron fool feanor when feanor himself knew that he had to sacrifice his sons to achieve this? He knew how much sacrifice and death it would take to defeat morgoth which is why he has them make their oaths again before he dies. He already chose the most extreme action in pursuit of his goal.
idk, maybe the ring can lie to him that he can use it to find the buried silmaril. The one that Earendil has and the one that's on the bottom of the sea are clearly out of reach
we are talking about before his death not after and why do you think feanor is stupid enough to believe that? That's not even realistically possible in any sense, its like the ring telling you that you can sprout wings and fly, that's just not how it works, it works by lying about realistic scenarios, about the fantasies that you have and the only fantasies feanor has are defeating morgoth and he kills himself and his sons in pursuit of this goal, there's just nothing worse that the ring would have made him do that he doesn't already do
>we are talking about before his death
the Ring didn't exist before he died, what's the point of the discussion in that case
and feanor doesn't exist after he dies, what's the point of your question?
elves have been shown to come back from death before
feanor being hated and cursed by the valar cucks would be the last to receive that gift
Feanor was the only one who didn't buy the bullshit of Morgoth's redemption, so why would he fall for a much lesser being?
Yes. Had the Ring somehow been taken to him in the Halls of Mandos, he could even have unmade it with his craftsmanship. But he would also not be able to resist claiming it as his own.
That's interesting. Would he be able to dominate it like sauron? Suppose he knows how to destroy it and sauron also knows that he knows, would it submit to his will, that's another interesting question that i've just thought about.
The better question is, would the Ring's attempt to suborn Feanor and keep him from unmaking it be enough to overwhelm Feanor's immense "FRICK YOU MORGOTH" energy when he realises that the One Ring is the creation of Morgoth's foremost lieutenant.
It'd be an interesting conflict.
Why Eru Ilúvatar made Elfs so much better than the other races? Feanor being able to craft something that would make a actual god jealous is insane.
Are Men, Dwarfs and Hobbits flawed on purpose because Elfs are perfect but boring?
Men also have their greats in Turin, Beren, and the numenoreans. Dwarves like durin the deathless, hobbits like frodo and bilbo. Elves are just tied more to the world, they don't have a heaven for their spirits like men do, their heaven is valinor. Plus the fourth age is the dominion of men but it's unlikely that they would rise to the heights of the first age and numenor ever again.
dwarfs are basically Iluvatar's adopted children since he didn't create them personally, he just gave them souls
hobbits are essentially Men
with Men the idea is that yes, they are weaker, live shorter lives, get sick and die, etc. but they are allowed to escape the plane of Arda after death. It's not clear at all how much of a benefit that is but elves regard it as one
Feanor would be tempted to use its power to forge the most beautiful createons he could possibly imagine. There would be a time when all of Arda is covered in shining glory, such that one would rather look at the ground than at the stars at night. But once his passion wears out, Feanor would turn to altering his previous creations and he would become hateful of anyone who criticized his work. He would begin destroying beauty out of boredom and spite, and with the power of the Ring, he would eventually become a new Dark Lord, ruling over the broken ruins of what was once beautiful.
This is basic stuff, guys. Tolkien talks about the nature of the ring for like 15 pages during the Grey Council. It is IMPOSSIBLE to resist the temptation of infinite power. Even Frodo, despite his absolute humility, failed to resist the temptation at the very end.
>temptation of infinite power
Its only infinite in the context of the third age. My argument does not in any way contradict tolkien. The beings of the later ages are lesser in ability, this is basic stuff. Feanor already made the silmarils, blessed by the valar themselves, there's nothing beyond his ability that the ring could deceive him with. Even the writing script on the fricking ring is a creation of feanor kek. The only reason why the ring is so powerful is that so much magic is lost in the third age that sauron seems so powerful that he could contend with the will or eru himself. The men are so weak that seeing elves leaving middle earth is a magical event. And its true that galadriel would be powerful in comparison because everyone else is just so weak in comparison. Feanor on the other hand is leagues beyond anyone including even galadriel herself even though tolkien makes it seem like they are very close in power levels.
Even Gandalf, a being of a higher order than Feanor, is terrified of possessing the ring. The Ring represents infinite power, that's its symbolic function in the story. Nobody, NO ONE, can resist the temptation of infinite power. That's the entire point of the myth. Tom Bombadil doesn't count because he's not even real in a sense.
Sauron was higher order than gandalf and yet he didn't have feanor's abilities. That's not really an argument that helps. Morgoth himself was jealous of feanor's abilities yet he could make dragons, orcs and even raise mountains and fortresses out of the earth.
Feanor would see the Ring, picks it up, criticizes its craftmanship, belittles Sauron for how crude a job this is, wear it ironically and get corrupted in 5 seconds flat. Stay seething
Keep in mind The Hobbit was such a moronic project they thought the one vision of Galadriel with the Ring was the same as her super sayan form that she takes on when fighting. Ridiculous.
The god Melkor himself, master of Sauron, creator of mighty Balrogs, trolls, dragons and other creatures, was tempted to steal the Silmarils. Why the frick would Fëanor bother with the Ring? It's like wanting a bicycle wheel, when you have a F-35 Lightning
Feanor was a master craftsman
It would all come down to whether Sauron's ring was actually good craftsmanship or it just seems good because no one has real skill anymore
He would look at the ring and the markings and smile, then he would be mesmerized by the creepy voices coming from it telling him that he can be a great craftsman if he tried and by why it doesn't break under his hammer. It would puzzle him for the rest of the day and by morning he has already devised a new way of breaking it. It would be a good puzzle and he would quickly be bored and move to the next project.
Feanor was a seething b***h who would fall for the ring in two seconds, the ring plays on your pride to insinuate that if only you were wearing it you'd fix all your problems, you need to understand your flaws and your limitations to resist it, and Feanor has as much awareness of his flaws as an amoeba knows about tennis.
Galadriel knew Feanor for who he was and that's why she never gave him even one strand of her hair, and even her was afraid of the ring. Never forgive Feanor, never forget the first Kinslaying and the burning of the ships, MANADH BO I NOLDOR
>Galadriel knew Feanor for who he was and that's why she never gave him even one strand of her hair
Its funny you talk about fixing your problems when the refusal of galadriel is what created the silmarils in the first place. Her refusal was nothing because he always finds a way to get what he wants.
>Her refusal was nothing because he always finds a way to get what he wants.
Remind me again how many Silmaril is Feanor enjoying right now?
He got his defeat of morgoth, and the silmarils back through his direct efforts. His oath was basically fulfilled. It was through his original initiative that led to this even though it took great sacrifice.
>and the silmarils back
>he got his defeat of Morgoth
He won the war of the israeliteels and the Noldor had to send an ambassador as a hail-mary to beg for help from the Valar who Feanor scorned.
>and the silmarils back
They're all lost, with one surrendered to the Valar and put outside of the world.
Even if they were all in one place he was long dead and his host lost the war.
>he won
Morgoth won, I mean.
Without feanor, morgoth would not have been defeated. Good of you to omit his oath which was fulfilled. You can even go as far as to say that feanor's creation of the silmarils is what initially dooms morgoth. His impact is neverending. Even during the third age, the palantiri are still being used to decide the fates of middle earth. He is the single most important and impactful of the children of eru. Every single creature in middle earth owes him a debt for his decision to rally the noldor into beleriand.
You're close.
The ring looks at what you desire and manufactures temptation that way.
Aragorn was able to resist for the short time he was exposed because of his humility and honor while Samwise was able to resist because all the ring had to work with was "imagine all of Mordor as a garden".
Feanor was an immensely powerful Elf-lord, in fact Feanor's host would destroy third-age Mordor and Sauron. He was also extremely proudful, openly defying the decree of Mandos and the admonishment of Eonwe to wage a war with Morgoth that he was explicitly told he would lose. He also burned the ships of the Teleri and abandoned a huge chunk of the Noldor in Aman because he didn't think he needed them.
All of this is to say the ring would have a huge amount to work with in Feanor, the fact that he could make a better ring is irrelevant because the desire isn't for the ring itself, it's for power.
The only thing about Feanor is he could guaranteed actually overthrow Sauron and become the new dark lord.
Feanor was basically a maiar born in an elvish body. The first few anomalies of eru's creation.
No, he compared to the silmarils the ring was probably a cheap trinket. He would have melted it down for its gold content.