Not that anon but I prefer his deeper pulls from the games and attempts to use those obscure bits of lore or characters over a soap opera that hinges on a 13 episode cartoon from 30 years ago.
In a world where Penders never existed Ian would have driven this comic into the /u/ sector and instead of a million knuckles, there'd be a million dykes
That's a general problem in this fandom. >criticize IDW > they think you are an archiegay >criticize Archie >they think you are an idwgay >criticize Spaz' art > they think you are a gamefaw
Hating Penders is, funny enough, the only thing the whole fandom seems to agree 95% of the time
That analogy is dumb, but anon is right that Spaz gets held up like a sacred cow sometimes. Dude drew great pinups, but his actual paneling was usually shit.
>criticize IDW > they think you are an archiegay >criticize Archie >they think you are an idwgay
I really don't understand this divide since they're both written and drawn by the same people.
Having observed and participated in these threads for a month now and checked the discourse on twitter it's literally just the presence or lack thereof of Sally Acorn. Be it people shipping her with sonic or wanting to jerk off over her, her existence is the core point of contention and everything else is a smokescreen.
>BECAUSE ONE COMIC HAS UUUNGH SEX CHIPMUNK AND YOURS HAS WOKESHIT
or >BECUAUSE MY COMIC HAS UUUNGH CUTE WOLF PUSSY AND YOUR COMIC IS FORGOTTEN NON CANON TRASH
that's it, that's the debate
The opposite also happens, with crazed hater autists treating him like the devil.
Dude's mediocre and has been coasting on a stale bag of tricks for a decade, but Sonic fans are incapable of nuance and either jerk him off or want to kill him.
This is all of Cinemaphile with comic writers and it just gets exhausting. I'd love forums where people aren't just tempted to use the freedom of Cinemaphile to want to murder a comic writer they dislike, but comic forums were dead even 15 years ago.
Same. He's better than Penders, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have bad habits and no ambition.
Sick of all these OCs being introduced then thrown into the background before they can even have anything resembling an arc.
In an odd way, he benefited from Penders in the amount of characters and storylines that were left. He got to kill off a bunch of characters (blood for the blood god) and repurposed the ones that were allowed to stick around, like Scourge. But the important thing was that he brought about consistency. Before then, Archie was all over the place and suffered not just from Penders but from meddling editors. And having Yardley as the main artist start around the same time as him was also very good for him.
SoJ is the only thing keeping them from flodding the series with dyke/troon shit
He got btfod by them when he requested to add one and he never shuts up about it on his podcast
I was asking if he literally liked trannies (and is, there is evidence of him dating/fricking one).
Still, what you say it's true. The mandates, their only positive aspect is that they keep these guys under a leash.
And Flynn is not even the one I fear the most, for me the real dangers would come from Evan if left unchecked.
I was asking if he literally liked trannies (and is, there is evidence of him dating/fricking one).
Still, what you say it's true. The mandates, their only positive aspect is that they keep these guys under a leash.
And Flynn is not even the one I fear the most, for me the real dangers would come from Evan if left unchecked.
>chuds are so brain-dead that they actually praise the gaggle of imbeciles that is Sega of Japan
/misc/ - not even once.
Unironically yes. Being supportive just for the sake of it is a moronic attitude to have towards a product.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only that recognizing positive qualities in something is not the same to outright supporting them.
Both things can be separated.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only that recognizing positive qualities in something is not the same to outright supporting them.
Both things can be separated.
Kind of a moot discussion considering the posts that
[...] >chuds are so brain-dead that they actually praise the gaggle of imbeciles that is Sega of Japan
/misc/ - not even once.
replied to are obviously shitposters. But just remember, you can still be a fan and be critical. You can point out the flaws of stuff you like and it's best to not overlook them because of blind loyalty.
>Probably not, no. He's fairly mid, as the kids say.
I mean, even putting aside the other Sonic writers, I'd say he's on the "upper" edge of people that tackle comic adaptations of non-comic media, up there with the likes of Larry Hama and Simon Furman.
Used to enjoy Archie Sonic especially during the Saturn Dry Spell but looking upon the older issues with fresh eyes some of the stories aged like yak milk.
IDW Sonic may not be perfect but I know someone will work around SEGA’s mandates
Sonic’s still the only video game based comics that's active. ARMS by Dark Horse fell through and UDON’s Street Fighter only appears once in a blue moon.
Anon, no one except a small number of horny morons gives a frick about those pin-up collections. The “muh evil SJW that navigates all of Twitter”‘isn’t a real thing. The SJW types all complain about the popular shit. Udon is one of the least popular comic publishers. No one gives a flying frick about them. It’s the same reason the Comicsgate homosexualry doesn’t kick off or gets talked about outside of niche circles. The average Twitter lady that gets upset at Disney canceling the Loud House doesn’t know or care about shit like Kamen America or Cyberfrog. They don’t give a frick.
Capcom lets you license Street Fighter and most of their properties no problem. You have to really frick it up for them to decide they don’t want anything to do with you.
Archie canceled Mega Man. They broomed it at the same time they broomed Sonic Boom to cut costs, as the CEO didn't want to have vidja comics anymore. Capcom would've let them keep going for years.
2 years ago
Accel∆X
So Archie dumped Sonic and Mega Man to do their Higurashi-Lite
Its odd how udon is making money of cheap fanservice pin ups about street fighter character while theres tons of hentai artists doing the same thing unofficially.
It still baffles me that they can get away with that in this day and age.
Their lead editor is a comicsgate guy who doesn’t give a frick. Dude shit on a Marvel crossover cover they did on Twitter and never got any blowback.
Its odd how udon is making money of cheap fanservice pin ups about street fighter character while theres tons of hentai artists doing the same thing unofficially.
I think you are misremembering the order of events. Return to Angel Island arc, marks Bollers' final contribution to the comic (he's pretty underrated, I'd say). That's when would Penders lead on the comic (in turn, lowering pretty sharply the comic's quality), who then would demote himself from the role by 159#.
Hypothetically on this timeline, maybe Gallagher would be the only very writer on Archie's offices. He's a good writer generally, but I doubt he would feel as competent in charge of coming up consistently moderate serious Sonic stories. Nevertheless, Archie would most certainly die in the spot right there, if Ian never came aboard.
We should be thankful of him. It's a pity they are no more, but I'm glad Archie comics have lived for so long.
I'm pretty sure there was one other guy between Bollers and Penders, the one who gave us "The Slap" and that weird era of issue covers done up like tabloids.
Ahm, Romy Chacon, right? À la Justin Gabrie, the charlatan baldie who hurt the comic in the long run, no? When both wouldn't be in disposition, he would make some stories for filling slots. Curiously enough, he was the responsible for coming up Tommy and awkwardly trying to pair him with Rotor and laying the groundwork for debuting Nicole's holographic form, but not for chalking the turtle to its detestable by tons reputation.
>the one who gave us "The Slap" and that weird era of issue covers done up like tabloids.
In actuality, that's all Bollers' doing, the overall plotting for "The Slap" and the covers portrayed as tabloids (the intention being on breaking up the monotony of Spaz drawing epic covers, and better representative of lighthearted stories who recaptured the pun-fest Archie era). Though, it's worthy to mention the actual slapping act itself was likely a intervened Gabrie editorial order for maximizing sales, despite never intended per Bollers' claim.
Yes, he would have.
His claim to fame wasn't just cleaning up after Penders, it was being an ascended fanboy that wrote deepest lore with game and old cartoon concepts and a lots of references. He could have done that with or without Penders with the same reception.
Well considering his biggest fame is just a bunch of issues of piecing together shit Penders did to be more coherent (which was probably pretty easy due to working under him) I'd say no. His Storylines overstay its welcome and in the lamest, drama filled way. Everyday I am glad The Lost Hedgehog Tales stayed lost. Lost hedgehog Tales #2 when?
His Sonic Universe work would still be his best work but unfortunately no one seems to care for Sonic Universe outside a funny cover or two.
Ian has written some of the arcs, Yardley wrote and drew a good number of them himself. Aleah Baker, Ian's wife, has written some as well and she was actually pretty good. Some believe that Ian co-wrote with her so they make a good team. And Evan did the arc where Silver meets Gold.
>Evan did the arc where Silver meets Gold
Does anyone even like Gold?
She was fine as an extra hand in helping with Silver then assisting with putting down the final boss in Part 4 but she gets her Sad Backstory™ and gets dragged along after the final battle; why? We already had good chemistry and enough character between Doc(and bits) and Silver to carry another story or two.
She feels like a third wheel in what should've been a lead up to an "Excellent Adventure" with Silver and the Doc (+bots) hoping through time.
Because post-reboot they set up a bazillion different things expecting to have another 10+ years to expand on them, like a bunch of idiots.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I feel bad for the Archie reboot. It has some brilliant setup and worldbuilding, but ends before it gets a chance to do anything with it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I wanted to see what they were gonna do with Maw, would have been great.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
I couldn't give a rip about the Freedom Fighters or even the Egg Bosses (much as I love Thunderbolt and GBK) but the tectonic shift from: >Eggman controls over half the planet and is a constant looming threat. Everything in the world revolves around this idea (the Egg Army and its footsoldiers, the numerous groups of freedom fighters, Breezie, GUN) and it's a perfect excuse for Sonic and friends to wreck his shit every day.
over to: >Eggman is out there doing evil stuff somewhere in this nebulously defined world that has maybe three named locations with any kind of permanence. Sonic and friends wander into a plot, smash some badniks and then wander out with little consequence.
...is jarring, at the very least. I know the latter point is a problem the Archie comics could have and probably would have had anyway, but the setting at least makes the little one-off stories feel like they meant something.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A lot of people that like IDW seem to be fine with less worldbuilding. Their gripes seem to mainly be the quality of the stories and the OCs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eh, I didn't miss the "All-Powerful Eggman" crap that much. If Eggman is so much more powerful than all of Sonic's other villains, it makes them look even more pathetic since they can't even hold a candle to the dude that Sonic regularly defeats.
Not to mention, it's a bit hard to take a goofy Teddy Roosevelt seriously as the ultimate evil.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's called letting it all go and moving on. Stop obsessing so much on old baggage that only hurts it in the long run. All the worldbuilding was useless and cramped it a lot.
IDW is barren because literally no one cares for muh worldbuilding but only the most asinine Archiegays, like you.
A lot of people that like IDW seem to be fine with less worldbuilding. Their gripes seem to mainly be the quality of the stories and the OCs.
>Their gripes seem to mainly be the quality of the stories and the OCs.
Literally false. Everyone loves the comic, way more than Archie shit.
Eh, I didn't miss the "All-Powerful Eggman" crap that much. If Eggman is so much more powerful than all of Sonic's other villains, it makes them look even more pathetic since they can't even hold a candle to the dude that Sonic regularly defeats.
Not to mention, it's a bit hard to take a goofy Teddy Roosevelt seriously as the ultimate evil.
Based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Based.
Thanks, though I'll say I'm not as disdainful of Archie or as in love with IDW as you (or vice-versa, for that matter).
What I'd be interested in would be something that combined the colorful and varied settings from Archie with the more lighthearted and character-focused stories from IDW.
>Literally false. Everyone loves the comic, way more than Archie shit.
That's not true, though. People have definite complaints about it, such as Shadow's characterization, and Evan Stanley at one point said that she was a bit stung that Belle wasn't that well-received. Not everyone loves it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I'll say I'm not as disdainful of Archie
You should be.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
Nothing from the literal soap opera drama shit could be ever considered a loss.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Reboot dropped all the soap opera romance and political drama shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
It also failed to make the Freedom Fighters feel needed again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Doesn't matter. Still was a shitty uncanon comic for all along that lived on for too long.
It also failed to make the Freedom Fighters feel needed again.
These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style. I'm glad they are finally gone.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just as canon as the IDW series
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yuji Uekawa drew one of the IDW covers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima had involvement in SatAMs development and in turn Archie (the latter stating that he enjoyed it) >Archie featured prominently in Mega Collection >Freedom Fighters in Spinball >Tyson Hesse getting his start on the franchise through Archie
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima had involvement in SatAMs development and in turn Archie (the latter stating that he enjoyed it)
Oh thats interesting, what did they work on exactly ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Archie letter was probably fake.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Non-canon phone game
That the best you can do?
Archie at least had Spinball
2 years ago
Anonymous
Call me when they get to be playable in anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Angry Birds is canon
Hory shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Angry Birds, Pacman, Hello Kitty, and Daminals Yogurt.
Sega hates the Freedom Fighters so much that they're out here putting yogurt mascots into their mobile games before any of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Angry Birds, Pacman, Hello Kitty, and Daminals Yogurt.
All advertisements and promotional tie-ins. IDW and Movie's inclusion being no different
2 years ago
Anonymous
And yet, no FF.
(Also I hadn't realized this but there are actually two mobile games with Tangle/Whisper and Longclaw, Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces Speed Battle)
2 years ago
Anonymous
No reason to advertise them.
Reboot with it's updated designs would've been a good opportunity for that, but Dash didn't introduce playable tie-in characters until 2016 when Archie was nearing its end, years after the new designs rolled out
2 years ago
Anonymous
Freedom Fighters literally already got a promotional tie-ins. That's their cameos on Spinball, and Mega Collection packages in Archie issues, unlike Origins which didn't do the same with IDW.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That was a long time ago, Anon. Before Penders made SatAM and the FF toxic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Freedom Fighters literally already got a promotional tie-ins. That's their cameos on Spinball, and Mega Collection packages in Archie issues, unlike Origins which didn't do the same with IDW.
That shit was before Archie got tainted. It's never gonna happen again at this rate and we can blame Archie's incompetency for it.
Also, that blink and you'll miss spinball cameo didn't even have Antione and used proto-Sally.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style.
You've never read the books. I can tell.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Only a handful of homosexuals actually read the comics, considering how much money IDW is hemorrhaging. The characters are basically just material for porn artists and headcannon people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style.
You've never read the books. I can tell.
Doesn't matter. Still was a shitty uncanon comic for all along that lived on for too long.
[...]
These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style. I'm glad they are finally gone.
People do read IDW Sonic
They just don't buy them
Compare the amount of views they get on RCO to Comichron's charts
2 years ago
Anonymous
>These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters,
This post applies way more to IDW than Archie. Every time I open a story expecting Sonic to battle some new villain I'm greeted by the sight of Tangle and Whisper lezzing it up or the bug chick complaining about paperwork or Starline being a homosexual or Belle b***hing about Eggman being her dad.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It feels like Sonic isn't a main character in his own comic anymore.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I mean even stupid shit from Archie like the Sally Slap or the Echidna bullshit revolved around characters like Sonic and Knuckles. IDW might as well be an entirely different franchise.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Which reminds me; the Sega mandates basically forced Knuckles out of the comic and dismantled Team Dark. That's probably why we haven't seen anyone except Amy, Tails and Sonic for the past year.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Sega really is shooting themselves in the foot. Different adaptations having different takes on characters (such as a wandering Knux or a slightly friendlier Shadow) is a good thing and keeps things interesting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>K n u x
You now owe Penders a few dimes for mentioning his character without his consent.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The book started focusing on the secondary cast after the Metal Virus ended. It's just a breather arc, the big Sonic and Surge confrontation is up next.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Metal Virus story ended two years ago. This is more than a "breather arc."
2 years ago
Anonymous
>(much as I love Thunderbolt and GBK)
Shit taste.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
You shouldn't read IDW expecting Archie.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why not? They have the exact same writers and artists.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eh, I didn't miss the "All-Powerful Eggman" crap that much. If Eggman is so much more powerful than all of Sonic's other villains, it makes them look even more pathetic since they can't even hold a candle to the dude that Sonic regularly defeats.
Not to mention, it's a bit hard to take a goofy Teddy Roosevelt seriously as the ultimate evil.
""Empire"" stuff is super-cringe and only good for porn art with uniforms
2 years ago
Anonymous
The fact that I've only gotten three genuine responses to this tells me that I'm right.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I miss Archie's Eggman Empire too. I don't understand why anyone would be opposed to Eggman running a bona fide empire. The games already imply he does unless you think his massive armies and Star Wars flees just literally stop existing as soon as the plot stops needing them. Eggman was never "just" a mad scientist, that's just headcanon by people who think Sonic can't have stories period.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I at least want more groups of resistance forces fighting his forces in other parts of the world and have GUN protecting the human cities. Another great thing about Archie was that the Freedom Fighters were part of a larger network that grew over time. The Resistance is just Sonic and the gang and a bunch of nameless jobbers. Shame Whisper's group is DEAD.
2 years ago
Takashi Iizuka
No Sonnikku characters arrowed except Sonnikku's shitty friends, baka gaijin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
IIZUKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll laugh if the leaks about Frontiers' story are true. It actually sounds like Ian is calling Sega out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are the leaks?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Supposedly Sonic finds wakes up in a mysterious new world, and the story revolves around rescuing his friends and remembering who he is.
It basically sounds like a jab at Sega sidelining all of the secondary characters and forgetting what makes Sonic who he is.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Sonic finds wakes up in a mysterious new world, and the story revolves around rescuing his friends and remembering who he is.
It is me... or this sounds like the standard isekai plot?
inb4: >"I reincarnated as a supersonic blue hedgehog after dying by chocking on a hardboiled egg"
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm almost certain that was a Fleetway issue plot, except Sonic woke up as a human.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fleetway predicts another thing again
fleetwaychads cant stop winning
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why black hair?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're not even allowed to give characters names unless Iizuka personally oversees their creation, character design and character traits. I shit you not, Ian wasn't even allowed to give that Oragutan Belle was friends with a name because he wasn't part of the main cast.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can already see the encyclopedia for IDW characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>unless Iizuka personally oversees their creation, character design and character traits
All hail the mighty Iizuka?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop saying bullshit. "Don't name a character unless they're important to the story" is not the same as "they're not allowed to name characters unless Iizuka says so". Ian didn't even create or write the story in which the Orangutan you're mentioning appears in.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ian LITERALLY SAYS that the reason they don't name the Orangutan is because Sonic Team didn't oversee their creation
2 years ago
Anonymous
Where? Give me a specific timestamp and youtube link of Ian saying something like this about an issue and character he didn't even have anything to do with. Evan wrote that issue, Evan wrote that character, ABT drew him. Ian wasn't involved.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Where? Give me a specific timestamp and youtube link of Ian saying something like this about an issue and character he didn't even have anything to do with. Evan wrote that issue, Evan wrote that character, ABT drew him. Ian wasn't involved.
And what Evan says is that characters only get named IF they're going to be relevant to the story. So orangutan is unnamed, because he was just a background mechanic. If they do a new story where he's important, THEN he'll get named. Same with Lanolin. Her design's approved by Sega, yet she's not named in-comic, because so far her role has just been "recurring background extra".
She was supposed to be his "sister". So the Tails to his Sonic. A lot of people didn't really care for the arc and I don't have much an opinion on it either way. But Gold being a lesbian into women of power like Sally and Blaze intrigues me.
Worlds Collide was carried hard by artists. With enough experience in comics and issues to judge, you can tell how much of any writer's story is actual scripting vs the artist choreographing things. Ian's got a shitload of comics under his belt and we've seen that when artists with a history of very direct script adaptation draw his stuff, it ends up stiff. He doesn't do choreography.
I think his best stuff is a handful of his early stories, a good chunk of his SU stories, scattered bits of IDW and the first arc of the Sonic Boom comic. Boom's extra weird because it's structured really well, but he never uses the fundamentals from it anywhere else. Makes me feel like either he was instructed to format it like that (a series of short stories that interconnect and establish the cast an how they interact) or he overthinks his other comics.
And Ian worked on that comic's writing, too. I feel like it's odd to say that "a lot of Sonic Universe wasn't written by Ian" if it's possible to count all the non-Flynn stories with one hand.
No, the majority of Ian's fame comes from being Pellerito's literal hack in order to trim the fat in the comic, as well as Yardley coming onto the main comic at the exact same time. Ian himself admits that Pellerito cut back a lot of Ian's dumber ideas, like wanting House of Cards to take an entire fricking year, and the moment Pellerito got promoted, Ian's writing suffered because subsequent editors wouldn't be as hands-on with him.
I wouldn't give Pellerito full credit, but I think you're close to the heart of it.
Ian, as a writer, excels at editing and restructuring existing ideas. He's not very good at coming up with new ones, he's got a poor sense for pacing, and he's bad at recognizing and addressing his writing flaws.
I think the pacing issue often comes from the fact that he ever since I wanna say after Genesis Wave, but I think it started around Archie got to make Mega Man comic, but the main thing is that he's either forced or forces himself to fit every story into a 4 issue TPB. This issue clearly persists in IDW comics so it's probably a choice, which is very hit or miss. Some stories just shouldn't be prolonged or be shorter than 4 issues and you can't keep juggling overarching plots with self-contained ones for so many years.
I think the sweet spot is 3 issues max for his arcs but I prefer 4 over how long Metal Virus was. Although the Archie plans had SU doing part of it and I think that's fine. 8 issues for MV seems right.
>I want to pitch a retread of old ideas but it might get turned down... >I know! I'll pitch something new with a romance drama slant to the company that sells romantic comedy comics! They'll surely deny this!
No, that's him being stupid again.
That's still a dumb idea being accepted so this tard wrangler Mike narrative doesn't work. Also reminder it was Mike's idea to play up Sonic v Tails in HoC to market it. People still b***h about it to this day.
See, you're doing that thing mentioned a few posts above where you take everything as an absolute instead of discussing it with any nuance.
Most people seem to agree Ian's peak was when Mike was editor. Ian has talked about how a lot of really dumb ideas got turned down by Pellerito and P would give him direction on what to focus on next. The logical extrapolation is that Ian benefitted greatly from this editor's input.
Your counterargument is that Ian presented a couple ideas and the editor picked the one Ian didn't like, which somehow means it was a bad decision. But we saw one of the other proposals later (Mecha Sally) and that arc was worse. Even if you wanted this crazy "AH, BUT A SINGULAR MISTAKE WAS MADE, THEREFORE INVALID" stance, that line of reasoning doesn't even support your own argument.
Like, Mike wasn't some savant, but clearly his influence helped Ian a lot. We've seen Ian with more hands-off editors (and even NO editors!) for years and generally his batting record is worse. Saying that his editor was a big part of his success is pretty reasonable.
That's the editor's job.
Yeah, which is why he's had more trouble over the last decade
>See, you're doing that thing mentioned a few posts above where you take everything as an absolute instead of discussing it with any nuance.
This chain began with giving all the credit to Mike for any good he's done so nice hypocrisy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. They're not me.
2. Yeah they're being hyperbolic.
3. They said "majority" while you're trying to discredit tge notion that he mattered at all on flimsy premises.
Don't try to gotcha me, moron.
Obviously Ian deserves credit for his successes. Saying that his circumstances and collaborators mattered a lot is also true. Whether they deserve more or less credit is subjective, but all parties deserve credit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>3. They said "majority" while you're trying to discredit tge notion that he mattered at all on flimsy premises.
I never said he didn't matter at all, I was contradicting the narrative that Mike was the sole arbiter of Ian's work. >Don't try to gotcha me
Then don't try to defend hyperboles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You gotta live with what you said and not what you meant, anon.
You said Mike made a stupid mistake in picking ID then doubled down that he can't be a tard wrangler because he made a decision you dislike. We know what you mean, there's no need to backtrack on the premises to avoid saying you fricked up.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>You gotta live with what you said and not what you meant, anon.
Please link the post where I said "Mike didn't matter at all". >You said Mike made a stupid mistake in picking ID then doubled down that he can't be a tard wrangler because he made a decision you dislike.
Yeah because he wasn't a tard wrangler, he was a collaborator who made good and bad decisions like Ian. It's your fixation on elevating him that's the issue here. >We know what you mean
Your headcanon matters to no one.
Before anything else, just know everyone's tired already of your shit with reprising this whole agony of Tails and Fiona for the eleventh time. Please, for the love of everyone else, let it go, Tailsgay.
>like wanting House of Cards to take an entire fricking year
Might be a hot take but whatever, I think that would have resulted in a better story than what HoC turned out to be. Most common complaint of that arc was how everyone came out looking like trigger-happy jackasses and that's because it was setup and resolved in only 2 issues. Maybe not a whole year, but definitely longer than 2 would have gave more room for proper buildup and escalation.
Counterpoint: most of Ian's 4-20 issue stories are stretched out. He doesn't add nuance and more detail when you give him more space. He repeats story beats and fills space with references.
Not going to bother with the overgeneralization, but the premise of the arc had nuance baked in. It was all about exploring how the cast would have fell on the divide based on their beliefs and upbringing, eventually leading to the split in the kingdom seen in the first issue and the different political motivations of the council.
>Not going to bother with the overgeneralization
Would you actually engage in discussion if I started listing specific examples or would you say "That's different" and back down with no further elaboration?
No because your argument is that because it happened in these specific examples therefore it would have happened in this theoretical extended arc, ignoring all other factors, so I don't see the point of engaging with such a flawed argument.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>would you say "That's different" and back down with no further elaboration? >"No" >Procedes to explain that this is DIFFERENT and shuts down any attempt to actually discuss it.
Predictable motherfricker.
There's plenty of writers who I think can make a good case for why they need more issues to elaborate on their ideas. Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples, but I suppose actually talking about his writing makes it harder to pretend his mistakes aren't his fault.
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I was saying no to engaging with your argument. >Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples, but I suppose actually talking about his writing makes it harder to pretend his mistakes aren't his fault.
You already contradicted yourself by admitting that some of his 4+ story arcs were good. HoC was literally only 2. Saying that additional issues would be absolutely useless is just you going to the opposite extreme to say he only makes mistakes. This is why I saw no value in your argument because it's just a pissing contest.
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>Goes back to the extremes and "AHA, LOOK AT THIS SMOKING GUN, YOU PRAISED A THING VAGUELY ASSOCIATED WITH A THING YOU CRITICIZED!"
Autism is one hell of a drug.
I don't know how you looked at "most of his stories that go beyond a couple issues are stretched out" and saw "Every single four issue story Ian ever wrote was BAD!!!" and decided you needed to Phoenix Wright my ass. "He wrote a bunch of good SU stories" and "a lot of his stuff that's not short and to the point gets dragged out hard" are not mutually exclusive statements. Ian is not Satan or Jesus. He is a guy and he has strengths and weaknesses.
Do you want to actually talk about comic books or do you want to keep pretending that your hypothetical MUST be correct? Because frick, I'd love if you gave me a decent counterargument. I just think trying to argue inherent nuance to stories is fricking stupid. Writers botch easy wins all the time. That's just life.
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>Goes back to the extremes
The only one who went to extremes was you. >He doesn't add nuance and more detail when you give him more space. >He repeats story beats and fills space with references. >Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples
Now you're just backtracking. >Do you want to actually talk about comic books or do you want to keep pretending that your hypothetical MUST be correct?
Not with you because you've already proven inconsistent just for the sake to act like you're right. All I said was that adding more issues would address the criticism that the arc was too fast-paced, then you came in saying "nuh uh, it would have been bad because of these other unrelated arcs". I'm not interested with somebody willing to throw out all possibilities.
Starline is such an obvious flaming homosexual that if he was a character from a 20th century cartoon or comic then 21st century bloggers would use him as an example of a stereotypically gay panic villain written by a bigot.
He was the editor on those. He was never the money guy, he just handed over the Sonic/MM stuff to Kaminski. He retained editorial over the modern reboots of Archie and the regular versions. You can confirm that on RCO.
>He was never the money guy
He became company President, an executive position that determines what books and pitches are getting greenlit in a more broad capacity. That is a financial position, not a creative position. That's even less hands-on than the stuff Victor Gorelick was up to for literal decades.
I know people in Sonic threads don't know shit about comics publishing, but holy shit anon. The company president was not doing fricking redlines, script revisions, and forwarding licensing standards feedback to the writers. That wasn't his job. He was not the editor on these books after his promotion. That was Kaminski, followed by that guy who only lasted two years.
2 years ago
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You have no idea how that place works. Their CEO decides everything. With the video game books it was Kaminski being a proper editor (and later it was another guy) but for the modern and horror Archie comics P was doing those things you said. Alex Segura was also doing those things when he got President status until he left, but he did it only with the superhero comics they made.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tell ‘em Jon Gray
2 years ago
Anonymous
Whats Gray's position nowadays in IDW ?
2 years ago
Anonymous
does he work there or just does an occasional cover?
2 years ago
Anonymous
His linkedin says hes a freelance artist/writer for IDW.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jongraywb/
Looks like he also teaches at an art school.
2 years ago
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Not many can draw full time so that makes sense.
2 years ago
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Jon's the only guy who ever mentioned working with Pellerito after his promo, so maybe.
I'm not watching some moron's video essay, but Rom's art was bad because he didn't try. Ken's art was bad because he never learned how to do anything but trace.
There's probably worse artists that only had one story to do but Ron Lim was around long enough to really stick out. He is definitely one of if not the worst Sonic artist. Which is funny because he's a great artist if you look at his Marvel work. It's just one of those instances where an artist just can't do Sonic's style.
>People claim Ian would fill the entire comic with Lesbians and Trans if let amuck >People completely ignore Evan.
All Ian has really been inclined was Nicole & Sally and maybe Tangle & Whispers, which seem like the most basic, basically harmless choices for lesbian representation around while any trans representation he sounds more like "sure if that's what the editor falls" which translates more as he doesn't really care.
Evan however, would LGBT everything if she could. Just looking at her fancomic would tell you that.
I find vapid virtue signaling and fandom pandering far more offensive than genuine interest in writing romance that is kept out of work assignments due to professionalism.
>which seem like the most basic, basically harmless choices for lesbian representation
Turning Sally bi was arrogant af considering: He never made Sally Acorn or Nicole in the first place and had shown no signs of being a dyke, and Sally had dated/married/had kids with Sonic in different timelines. I don't care if Ian makes his own OCs like Tangled and Whisper gay, but trying to make Sally and Nicole gay and in a relationship was peak arrogance and twitter (and personal?) pandering. I'm glad SOJ was able to push back his ideas far enough that the relationship was never canonized in the comics. >But he said in a podcast...!
He doesn't own the characters, they're SEGA's and only what shows up in the comics matter, not his fanfiction he spews on his podcast and on twitter. Not his characters, they're SEGA's and only SEGA can choose what happens to them.
>Not his characters, they're SEGA's and only SEGA can choose what happens to them
Which ironically he says everytime the topic is brought up. I feel the problem is that fans continue to try and bring it up in his podcast and he is forced to response.
Plus, Sally and Nicole ain't such a bad idea IMO, specially since SOJ is set in making Sonic no longer able to flirt with anyone but maybe Amy sometimes.
2 years ago
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Sally and Nicole in the reboot were positioned as sisters. Nicole says she built her identity off Sally.
Sega looks for another publisher and Ian will once again be the first person writing for it. At the very least he'll be consulting and working with Evan. Maybe he'll use that as leverage to push his Freedom Fighter agenda.
Depends on why it got cancelled. If it's a decision on IDW's part then Sega might move to another company and bring the old staff there. All Sega is doing is lending out the license for money so it's not like it's a lot of work on their end to go somewhere else. If it's Sega's decision they might not take it anywhere else and just let the comics side die or do it in-house.
>What publisher contract includes bringing the old staff along with the IP ?
Nothing but it's a common strategy in order to snag their established fandom onto the new running.
Sega doesn't "bring the old staff" anywhere. >Ian Flynn mentioned that when IDW got the license, he had just as much of a shot of writing the book as anyone else, and largely got in due to fan demand. Had he not been chosen to be head writer at the start of the series, the comic itself would be different.
>Goes back to the extremes
The only one who went to extremes was you. >He doesn't add nuance and more detail when you give him more space. >He repeats story beats and fills space with references. >Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples
Now you're just backtracking. >Do you want to actually talk about comic books or do you want to keep pretending that your hypothetical MUST be correct?
Not with you because you've already proven inconsistent just for the sake to act like you're right. All I said was that adding more issues would address the criticism that the arc was too fast-paced, then you came in saying "nuh uh, it would have been bad because of these other unrelated arcs". I'm not interested with somebody willing to throw out all possibilities.
You're saying anon's opinions are extreme, absolute statements because they didn't append "imo" to any of them while also refusing to humor the idea that your guess at what could have been might be wrong. Sometimes I wonder how many people in this fanbase have self-awareness.
One of the great things about fancomics is that we can see how a lot of other people would write Sonic. Then you think about how hard Sega would reject it if that person worked for them.
Yardley's art is stale as frick and got old after a while, but I'll admit it's at least consistent. The artists during Pender's run varied from passable to downright garbage, so having a consistent artstyle alarm Yardley's that was closer to the games was a nice touch after years of inconsistent work.
Spaz is the GOAT Sonic artist though, at least he brought variety.
Possibly not, but "the likes of Penders" was the norm for decades. Someone tackling video game characters in a halfway decent way, using stuff from the games while introducing new stuff of his own? That was practically unheard of before him.
You severely underestimate Archiegays. Years later and they still keep arguing over their shitty ass furgay comic. They still love to argue their favorite ass mary-sue OC was ever any decent. They literally won't ever stop insinuating and harassing Ian for bringing back the Freedom Furgays. You should see who's "Richmunk" to learn enough of these insufferable pricks.
And it's all hilarious. It's like watching a circus.
There's nothing of fun about anything of this shitty ass fanfiction soap opera. It's godawful and never was cohesive, unlike Sonic games. Get your anus checked and make sure you aren't just suffering of diarrhea.
Some of it was pretty good, like the Reboot Worldbuilding, Finitevus, Geoffrey turning out to be an evil wizard, etc. Ixis Naugus' backstory (3 evil wizards fused into one) was also pretty cool in a comicbook sort of way.
>never was cohesive
That's part of the fun of comics. All the different writers' insanity building upon eachother.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Delusion, the post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No argument, the post.
2 years ago
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Richmunk...
2 years ago
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IDWschizo...
2 years ago
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Freedom Furgays will never come back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Belle and Whisper will never be interesting characters.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still canon and SEGA approved characters and soon to be in new games, diaper gay.
2 years ago
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>Still canon
Nope >and soon to be in new games
Never ever. A shitty mobile game's promotional tie-in is all you're going to get >SEGA approved characters
So are the Freedom Fighters, literally created by the American branch of SEGA.
2 years ago
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Whisper will be interesting when she's officially Tangle's lover.
Trying to say otherwise will have you labeled as a homophobe.
There's nothing of fun about anything of this shitty ass fanfiction soap opera. It's godawful and never was cohesive, unlike Sonic games. Get your anus checked and make sure you aren't just suffering of diarrhea.
Funny enough, one of the theories is that the guy in question has been banned from /sthg/ and that's why he comes here. Like truly no one wants to deal with him.
Archie comic general that was for some reason on /vg/?
Funny enough, one of the theories is that the guy in question has been banned from /sthg/ and that's why he comes here. Like truly no one wants to deal with him.
He's negative, but sincere and never leaves more than a single post.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you defending a literal avatargay?
2 years ago
Anonymous
NTA, but here's the explanation: >samegayging
2 years ago
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>Defending shitty characters is wrong except for when we do it
Get some new material
2 years ago
Anonymous
shitty characters
Get on with the program, the discussion was about an avatargay
2 years ago
Anonymous
All the avatargays and namegays are characters. What, you thought anons do that shit for real?
Honestly, Ian's formula probably would've been better in the late 90s/early 00s than it is now. His big thing is about setting up multi-year "status quo" arcs and telling a bunch of character-focused issues within those arcs. He's mediocre at it, but it'd be easier if he had a constant stream of new game material to adapt to forcibly change the status quo for him, instead of the current format where Sega shits out a half-assed low-stakes game every three to five years which means the comics have to make everything up as they go along.
That's why it worked early on: he had to adapt an aged framework to fit the then-recent shakeup to the brand and also reconcile all the dangling plot threads. It gave him a ton of material to work with.
Now the brand is pretty static and he's not allowed to pull from old stuff, so he has to make stuff up on his own.
Probably more highly since it's the same book so the Penders/Bollers stuff is so often linked to his run. His Archie run is brilliant I don't even get how you could do better with that considering that the entirety of it before hand other than a handful of Spaz issues was utter shit. I remember before I even knew who made this stuff the difference between the post and pre 160 issues was immediately apparent. His Preboot run is Autism Crack though I'm not really into the IDW stuff. Perhaps because it's another fricking Reboot or perhaps because it feels like more of a product. Either way I will always think of his work highly because he turned absolute shit into wine
[Spoiler] and brought me back into this Sonic shit frick you you fat frick I had gotten out too [/Spoiler]
People meme about Penders, but the second crossover was what actually killed Archie Sonic. Archie had to pay for each individual IP and sales didn't cover the amount spent on them and essentially made Archie quit with licensed comics and put all their cards on the table for Riverdale which proved successful.
The Sega side was picked based on relevance to Sonic and whether or not Ian was a fan while the Capcom side was a cross section of fan engagement and practicality.
This ended up being bad for both sides. The Sega half ended up being way too narrow in scope, missing really obvious franchises like Shining and Phantasy Star (both of which were still very active at the time!) but also oddball that define Sega's branding like Rent A Hero or Puyo. I like Skies of Arcadia, but the Vyse ducks King was grating. Capcom's side ended up getting Captain N level representation because Ian wasn't a fan of most of those games, which contrasted poorly with the Sega characters. Like, having Issun speak completely out of character and throwing in a couple gameplay references you could glean from an IGN video wasn't going to make Okami fans happy.
>Like, having Issun speak completely out of character
Example? Haven't played Okami in a while, but wasn't he a "pervert with a heart of gold" type of character who was also a painter?
He has a very specific speech pattern in both English and Japanese that's easy to parse and meant to illustrate his arrogance, lack of manners, directness, but also his integrity.
The English version accomplishes this through insistence on nicknames, sentences formed from extremely to-the-point statements filled out with a sort of verbal "windup" to his insults (he won't say "Pay attention!", he'll say "I keep telling ya not to space out like that!"), a lot of contractions or outright omitted words, constant digs at Amaterasu despite liking her, and generally just being extremely sincere (aside from the nastiness, which is misleading flavor to sincere statements; he'll criticize Ammy when he's worried in a rude way, but he won't sarcastically mock her).
Those are the general style rules for Issun that you can pick up on very quickly. So it's weird when he only gets a handful of lines and he exclusively refers to her as "Amaterasu", makes multi-sentence sarcastic quips, and generally talks in a more long winded, full-sentence-utility way. It's not some horrible mistake, but it's the kind of thing where someone who would actually care enough about Okami to be excited about a shallow cameo would be put off by how strangely Issun speaks. A lot of the characters are handled like this, especially on the Capcom side. VJ/O/BOF/SF didn't get the kind of care NIGHTS and Billy Hatcher did.
Speaking of missing character traits, Issun hitting on Sally is extra weird because he only flirts with girls who have huge breasts/ass or resemble Japanese deities. He treats every other woman, even cute or beautiful ones, like a normal person and this is used to mess with the player during the Ninetails arc and later the Kamui arc.
I feel like the frustration of Penders comes from his take not being seeing as the true canon.
Usually, one would expect a hack like him jumping on the chance to gloat about his ideas being use as the inspiration for a group of charactees in one of the games. Instead, he gets salty and sues (and, just a reminder, that because of the copyright status at that time, Sega, Bioware or Archie had no obligation to even mention his name).
>penders creates the characters and lore >ian takes that and creates stories
Let's assume that Penders sets aside his hateboner for his successor, would it be kino?
Not really, because Penders lore was just a mess of concepts stolen from 70s-90s scifi tv shows like Star Trek. Tonally different from Sonic to begin with, and inconsistent levels of hard vs soft science that makes it difficult to use for world building.
Ian's deep pulls are "Remember this obscure Game Gear game starring Tails? I'm gonna bring the villain from that back, and make her the sister of the wizard from the SatAM cartoon"
Ken's deep pulls are "Remember the borg? They're back now, in Echidna form!"
They both rely on nostalgia but one looks inwards while the other looks outward.
She was in Sonic Dash 2, the one that was part of the Sonic Boom sub-series.
That one however was discontinued (if memory serves), and she still hasn't been released in Forces or Dash
>Sticks
Unlikely, but not impossible. Sega seems to want to forget Sonic Boom ever happened at the moment. >Marine
Likely, Sega still wants to push Blaze’s world and cast. Only thing really stopping her is that she’s not a fighter or runner. >Shade
Nope, she’s fricking 100% dead. Even putting the Penders autism aside Sega wants nothing to do with Bioware anymore.
>Sega wants nothing to do with Bioware anymore
Yes, unfortunately as much as I enjoyed it for the story, ultimately Chronicles was not a good game.
On top of that, it did poorly on sales, which meant trying to push for the sequel was not worth it.
I do wish they would retool Shade and the Nocturnus Clan, as I liked how they were used as the Fourth Great Civilization which tied them to Emerl and Sonic Battle... which is another game I wish it had a sequel.
They weren’t even a good idea in concept. The Dark Legion was already pointless because the story already had Robotnik as a villain who uses technology. It’s no wonder Ian eventually just merged the DL into the Eggman Empire. They were redundant.
The Nocturnus were more technologically advanced than Eggman, it was fricking stupid.
The Nocturnus were the 4th great civilisation that created Emerl, anon. The whole point was that they were more advanced than Eggman, it's why he had to team up with the heroes to stop them.
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I don’t like villains who are just “has all the powers and resources as existing villain but bigger and better!” Same reason I hate Eggman Nega.
2 years ago
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Not that anon but the vast majority of game lore in Sonic is centered around the idea of hyperadvanced ancient civilizations that just sort of disappeared and Eggman is often trying to recreate or harness their power. And I'm not just talking about the 3d games. Even the chaos emeralds fall into this category.
>They weren’t even a good idea in concept
Nah, they were an OK idea. They weren't just technologically advanced, their main theme was being "interdimensional beings" mixed with "bad guys who were lost in time".
Meaning as a concept they served their purpose. That being said, they couldn't be used in a recurring way, or else it would risk becoming stale. As, after their original introduction, they would lost the main element that made them be something other than "Eggman, but better".
A retool of Shade and the Nocturnus would be positive as that would change their backstory (separating them even more from the Dark Legion), allowing them to be use more recurrently. Alas, this is just wishful thinking at this point.
I miss the battlebirds. They were a real good use of obscure game characters, had a cool and pretty plausible connection to the Rogues and Bean, and seeing Kukku grab and slam people around never got old. Will they bring them back?
Agree, it's a fin little game. I brought the birds up because I recently beat it and seeing XV does grab and toss Tails and that's where it comes from made me chuckle.
Only in classic comics, which is looking better the more I think about it.
who cares homie. Thanks to reboots any character that's "brought back" is just a new character anyway. I don't get this fricking shit at all. Same with all those Bring back the FFs and all that. It's literally just "oh my god it's a thing I recognise now I feel validated"
OK, Cinemaphile, unironically, who do you think is the best Sonic writer (from any media)?
Flynn without a doubt not even close. Though I need to get to StC one of these days.
This is the fakest shit I have ever read, it's not even trying to line up with what we already know of the game. The final boss was already leaked, even.
All she's done so far is betray Eggman and stand next to a boss. She seems cute enough.
If she doesn't die like a b***h and gets to be the first returning character since Silver, I'll be happy. "Eggman's AI daughter" is a very fun concept, very hyped to hear what kind of mannerisms they went with for Sage's character.
Access to characters and locations alone is something to consider. Ian's at his best when he has a large cast and world to play around with. And there are certain things he wants to do but can't. He would even be fine with Sonamy if Sega allowed Sonic to have a relationship. And who could forget his murderboner? At least he got to "kill" Starline and Surge but we already know the latter is coming back in a couple issues. Preboot Archie Ian was him with the most freedom, reboot held him back a bit but he still could do a lot of stuff, and IDW is completely restricted.
So apparently Ian's claiming Starline is in fact gone and not coming back, though this isn't ruling out the idea he could appear as part of a story set in the past.
Evan could change that though, and I suspect she will.
Repostish from the issue 50 thread. Evan Stanley always looked off to me and I don't know why. Even in comparison to Yardley, Spaz, Bates, and Peppers. I think it really clicked for me with issues 252 of Archie and still continues in IDW. I think it's how she draws faces and expressions. Something about them looks off on the Sonic characters.
One thing that immediately stands out to me is that she doesn't do the series's trademark side mouth thing, not even on Sonic.
Compare it with a cover by Tyson Hesse.
Hey, does anyone have that image of a bunch of tweets that Jennifer Hernandez made shitting on Tyson Hesse, Adam Bryce Thomas, and I think some of the other Sonic comic artists? I saw it on Cinemaphile years ago and didn't save it.
Somewhat
Write a paragraph explaining your opinion.
Not that anon but I prefer his deeper pulls from the games and attempts to use those obscure bits of lore or characters over a soap opera that hinges on a 13 episode cartoon from 30 years ago.
It was 26 episodes, but the second season really neglected the extended cast in favor of Sonic and Sally so it may as well not count.
no
In a world where Penders never existed Ian would have driven this comic into the /u/ sector and instead of a million knuckles, there'd be a million dykes
I hate that you can't criticize this homosexual without his asslickers dogpiling you assuming you like Penders.
That's a general problem in this fandom.
>criticize IDW > they think you are an archiegay
>criticize Archie >they think you are an idwgay
>criticize Spaz' art > they think you are a gamefaw
Hating Penders is, funny enough, the only thing the whole fandom seems to agree 95% of the time
and SoJ is enjoying this
Spaz' art > they think you are a gamefaw
Who?
Patrick Spaziante, an old comics artist.
That analogy is dumb, but anon is right that Spaz gets held up like a sacred cow sometimes. Dude drew great pinups, but his actual paneling was usually shit.
>tfw Fleetwaygay
>no one even knows we exist
People still remember Fleetway, you just gotta know where to look
>criticize IDW > they think you are an archiegay
>criticize Archie >they think you are an idwgay
I really don't understand this divide since they're both written and drawn by the same people.
>MY COMIC GUD, UR COMIC BAD
thats literally it
Having observed and participated in these threads for a month now and checked the discourse on twitter it's literally just the presence or lack thereof of Sally Acorn. Be it people shipping her with sonic or wanting to jerk off over her, her existence is the core point of contention and everything else is a smokescreen.
I'm not surprised.
It might be the same people but it's different worlds and different characters, and different attitudes.
>BECAUSE ONE COMIC HAS UUUNGH SEX CHIPMUNK AND YOURS HAS WOKESHIT
or
>BECUAUSE MY COMIC HAS UUUNGH CUTE WOLF PUSSY AND YOUR COMIC IS FORGOTTEN NON CANON TRASH
that's it, that's the debate
The opposite also happens, with crazed hater autists treating him like the devil.
Dude's mediocre and has been coasting on a stale bag of tricks for a decade, but Sonic fans are incapable of nuance and either jerk him off or want to kill him.
>but Sonic fans are incapable of nuance
Hey, just like the games.
Life does imitate Art
This is all of Cinemaphile with comic writers and it just gets exhausting. I'd love forums where people aren't just tempted to use the freedom of Cinemaphile to want to murder a comic writer they dislike, but comic forums were dead even 15 years ago.
The top one should have angel wings and a holy aura.
Same. He's better than Penders, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have bad habits and no ambition.
Sick of all these OCs being introduced then thrown into the background before they can even have anything resembling an arc.
In an odd way, he benefited from Penders in the amount of characters and storylines that were left. He got to kill off a bunch of characters (blood for the blood god) and repurposed the ones that were allowed to stick around, like Scourge. But the important thing was that he brought about consistency. Before then, Archie was all over the place and suffered not just from Penders but from meddling editors. And having Yardley as the main artist start around the same time as him was also very good for him.
This guy REALLY likes trannies
Elaborate
SoJ is the only thing keeping them from flodding the series with dyke/troon shit
He got btfod by them when he requested to add one and he never shuts up about it on his podcast
I was asking if he literally liked trannies (and is, there is evidence of him dating/fricking one).
Still, what you say it's true. The mandates, their only positive aspect is that they keep these guys under a leash.
And Flynn is not even the one I fear the most, for me the real dangers would come from Evan if left unchecked.
>chuds are so brain-dead that they actually praise the gaggle of imbeciles that is Sega of Japan
/misc/ - not even once.
>seeing the single positive aspect of an overall negative production directive is bad
Unironically yes. Being supportive just for the sake of it is a moronic attitude to have towards a product.
Only that recognizing positive qualities in something is not the same to outright supporting them.
Both things can be separated.
Kind of a moot discussion considering the posts that
replied to are obviously shitposters. But just remember, you can still be a fan and be critical. You can point out the flaws of stuff you like and it's best to not overlook them because of blind loyalty.
Didn't care for Drogune and that other furry comic he did for a game. I haven't checked out Cosmo, though.
I liked Drogune
Yeah, you and maybe 20 other people.
Even Ian realized it was a mess and decided to start over.
it was refreshing as far as a kids comic goes
would recommend
It won more awards that his Sonic run has.
Probably not, no. He's fairly mid, as the kids say.
>Probably not, no. He's fairly mid, as the kids say.
I mean, even putting aside the other Sonic writers, I'd say he's on the "upper" edge of people that tackle comic adaptations of non-comic media, up there with the likes of Larry Hama and Simon Furman.
They both want to force homosexuality and other political garbage in the franchise, so, they're both equally terrible.
Ehhh...only to Sonic fans.
gfdfdg
Used to enjoy Archie Sonic especially during the Saturn Dry Spell but looking upon the older issues with fresh eyes some of the stories aged like yak milk.
IDW Sonic may not be perfect but I know someone will work around SEGA’s mandates
Sonic’s still the only video game based comics that's active. ARMS by Dark Horse fell through and UDON’s Street Fighter only appears once in a blue moon.
>UDON’s Street Fighter only appears once in a blue moon.
UDON's Street Fighter doesn't exist anymore.
UDON's super sexy Swimsuit Fighter Bikini Summer Annuals do exist and keep the company afloat
It still baffles me that they can get away with that in this day and age.
You're an idiot if you don't understand.
I'm not saying it as if I didn't enjoy them. More like I'm surprised twitter SJWs have yet to throw a cryingfest and try to cancel them or something.
No, that's exactly what I meant: you're a fricking moron if you think politics actually influence products sold beyond token concessions.
Anon, no one except a small number of horny morons gives a frick about those pin-up collections. The “muh evil SJW that navigates all of Twitter”‘isn’t a real thing. The SJW types all complain about the popular shit. Udon is one of the least popular comic publishers. No one gives a flying frick about them. It’s the same reason the Comicsgate homosexualry doesn’t kick off or gets talked about outside of niche circles. The average Twitter lady that gets upset at Disney canceling the Loud House doesn’t know or care about shit like Kamen America or Cyberfrog. They don’t give a frick.
Capcom lets you license Street Fighter and most of their properties no problem. You have to really frick it up for them to decide they don’t want anything to do with you.
Then Archie must have fricked big time with Megaman if they actually got cancelled.
Archie canceled Mega Man. They broomed it at the same time they broomed Sonic Boom to cut costs, as the CEO didn't want to have vidja comics anymore. Capcom would've let them keep going for years.
So Archie dumped Sonic and Mega Man to do their Higurashi-Lite
Their lead editor is a comicsgate guy who doesn’t give a frick. Dude shit on a Marvel crossover cover they did on Twitter and never got any blowback.
Its odd how udon is making money of cheap fanservice pin ups about street fighter character while theres tons of hentai artists doing the same thing unofficially.
I wonder what the Archie comics would be like if he never came on. Penders was out but would Bollers be the main writer?
I think you are misremembering the order of events. Return to Angel Island arc, marks Bollers' final contribution to the comic (he's pretty underrated, I'd say). That's when would Penders lead on the comic (in turn, lowering pretty sharply the comic's quality), who then would demote himself from the role by 159#.
Hypothetically on this timeline, maybe Gallagher would be the only very writer on Archie's offices. He's a good writer generally, but I doubt he would feel as competent in charge of coming up consistently moderate serious Sonic stories. Nevertheless, Archie would most certainly die in the spot right there, if Ian never came aboard.
We should be thankful of him. It's a pity they are no more, but I'm glad Archie comics have lived for so long.
I'm pretty sure there was one other guy between Bollers and Penders, the one who gave us "The Slap" and that weird era of issue covers done up like tabloids.
Ahm, Romy Chacon, right? À la Justin Gabrie, the charlatan baldie who hurt the comic in the long run, no? When both wouldn't be in disposition, he would make some stories for filling slots. Curiously enough, he was the responsible for coming up Tommy and awkwardly trying to pair him with Rotor and laying the groundwork for debuting Nicole's holographic form, but not for chalking the turtle to its detestable by tons reputation.
>the one who gave us "The Slap" and that weird era of issue covers done up like tabloids.
In actuality, that's all Bollers' doing, the overall plotting for "The Slap" and the covers portrayed as tabloids (the intention being on breaking up the monotony of Spaz drawing epic covers, and better representative of lighthearted stories who recaptured the pun-fest Archie era). Though, it's worthy to mention the actual slapping act itself was likely a intervened Gabrie editorial order for maximizing sales, despite never intended per Bollers' claim.
Man, Rotor in soft-boot was just waaaaaaaay better. Can't imagine someone preferring him on pre-reboot, especially with the whole gay debacle thing.
>. Can't imagine someone preferring him on pre-reboot
I kinda liked him as the laid back tech dude behind the chair, but admittedly he had atoo few moments to be a major player in the action
>especially with the whole gay debacle thing.
Shh...don't tell Rotor-anon
Sally the Deer.
Benny Lee is what he meant, I'm guessing.
Yes, he would have.
His claim to fame wasn't just cleaning up after Penders, it was being an ascended fanboy that wrote deepest lore with game and old cartoon concepts and a lots of references. He could have done that with or without Penders with the same reception.
Imagine having such shit taste.
Shut up, Penders.
was wondering if valiant wasn't fricked over by DeathMate and managed to keep the license for Nintendo comics to this day
I liked him as a kid when the only Penders stories I read was some gag stories.
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/ORkf1UFKp3jkB9fwh_nTpQ/
The Farnsworth legacy continues.
Ian was never good.
Yes, we are trying to figure out why
Well considering his biggest fame is just a bunch of issues of piecing together shit Penders did to be more coherent (which was probably pretty easy due to working under him) I'd say no. His Storylines overstay its welcome and in the lamest, drama filled way. Everyday I am glad The Lost Hedgehog Tales stayed lost.
Lost hedgehog Tales #2 when?
His Sonic Universe work would still be his best work but unfortunately no one seems to care for Sonic Universe outside a funny cover or two.
A lot of Sonic Universe wasn't written by Ian.
Well that's a bummer, I guess Worlds Collide would be his best work then.
Ian has written some of the arcs, Yardley wrote and drew a good number of them himself. Aleah Baker, Ian's wife, has written some as well and she was actually pretty good. Some believe that Ian co-wrote with her so they make a good team. And Evan did the arc where Silver meets Gold.
>Evan did the arc where Silver meets Gold
Does anyone even like Gold?
She was fine as an extra hand in helping with Silver then assisting with putting down the final boss in Part 4 but she gets her Sad Backstory™ and gets dragged along after the final battle; why? We already had good chemistry and enough character between Doc(and bits) and Silver to carry another story or two.
She feels like a third wheel in what should've been a lead up to an "Excellent Adventure" with Silver and the Doc (+bots) hoping through time.
Because post-reboot they set up a bazillion different things expecting to have another 10+ years to expand on them, like a bunch of idiots.
I feel bad for the Archie reboot. It has some brilliant setup and worldbuilding, but ends before it gets a chance to do anything with it.
Yeah, I wanted to see what they were gonna do with Maw, would have been great.
The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
I couldn't give a rip about the Freedom Fighters or even the Egg Bosses (much as I love Thunderbolt and GBK) but the tectonic shift from:
>Eggman controls over half the planet and is a constant looming threat. Everything in the world revolves around this idea (the Egg Army and its footsoldiers, the numerous groups of freedom fighters, Breezie, GUN) and it's a perfect excuse for Sonic and friends to wreck his shit every day.
over to:
>Eggman is out there doing evil stuff somewhere in this nebulously defined world that has maybe three named locations with any kind of permanence. Sonic and friends wander into a plot, smash some badniks and then wander out with little consequence.
...is jarring, at the very least. I know the latter point is a problem the Archie comics could have and probably would have had anyway, but the setting at least makes the little one-off stories feel like they meant something.
A lot of people that like IDW seem to be fine with less worldbuilding. Their gripes seem to mainly be the quality of the stories and the OCs.
Eh, I didn't miss the "All-Powerful Eggman" crap that much. If Eggman is so much more powerful than all of Sonic's other villains, it makes them look even more pathetic since they can't even hold a candle to the dude that Sonic regularly defeats.
Not to mention, it's a bit hard to take a goofy Teddy Roosevelt seriously as the ultimate evil.
It's called letting it all go and moving on. Stop obsessing so much on old baggage that only hurts it in the long run. All the worldbuilding was useless and cramped it a lot.
IDW is barren because literally no one cares for muh worldbuilding but only the most asinine Archiegays, like you.
>Their gripes seem to mainly be the quality of the stories and the OCs.
Literally false. Everyone loves the comic, way more than Archie shit.
Based.
>Based.
Thanks, though I'll say I'm not as disdainful of Archie or as in love with IDW as you (or vice-versa, for that matter).
What I'd be interested in would be something that combined the colorful and varied settings from Archie with the more lighthearted and character-focused stories from IDW.
>Literally false. Everyone loves the comic, way more than Archie shit.
That's not true, though. People have definite complaints about it, such as Shadow's characterization, and Evan Stanley at one point said that she was a bit stung that Belle wasn't that well-received. Not everyone loves it.
>I'll say I'm not as disdainful of Archie
You should be.
>The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
Nothing from the literal soap opera drama shit could be ever considered a loss.
Reboot dropped all the soap opera romance and political drama shit
It also failed to make the Freedom Fighters feel needed again.
Doesn't matter. Still was a shitty uncanon comic for all along that lived on for too long.
These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style. I'm glad they are finally gone.
Just as canon as the IDW series
Yuji Uekawa drew one of the IDW covers.
>Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima had involvement in SatAMs development and in turn Archie (the latter stating that he enjoyed it)
>Archie featured prominently in Mega Collection
>Freedom Fighters in Spinball
>Tyson Hesse getting his start on the franchise through Archie
>Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima had involvement in SatAMs development and in turn Archie (the latter stating that he enjoyed it)
Oh thats interesting, what did they work on exactly ?
The Archie letter was probably fake.
>Non-canon phone game
That the best you can do?
Archie at least had Spinball
Call me when they get to be playable in anything.
>Angry Birds is canon
Hory shit
Angry Birds, Pacman, Hello Kitty, and Daminals Yogurt.
Sega hates the Freedom Fighters so much that they're out here putting yogurt mascots into their mobile games before any of them.
>Angry Birds, Pacman, Hello Kitty, and Daminals Yogurt.
All advertisements and promotional tie-ins. IDW and Movie's inclusion being no different
And yet, no FF.
(Also I hadn't realized this but there are actually two mobile games with Tangle/Whisper and Longclaw, Sonic Dash and Sonic Forces Speed Battle)
No reason to advertise them.
Reboot with it's updated designs would've been a good opportunity for that, but Dash didn't introduce playable tie-in characters until 2016 when Archie was nearing its end, years after the new designs rolled out
Freedom Fighters literally already got a promotional tie-ins. That's their cameos on Spinball, and Mega Collection packages in Archie issues, unlike Origins which didn't do the same with IDW.
That was a long time ago, Anon. Before Penders made SatAM and the FF toxic.
>Freedom Fighters literally already got a promotional tie-ins. That's their cameos on Spinball, and Mega Collection packages in Archie issues, unlike Origins which didn't do the same with IDW.
That shit was before Archie got tainted. It's never gonna happen again at this rate and we can blame Archie's incompetency for it.
Also, that blink and you'll miss spinball cameo didn't even have Antione and used proto-Sally.
>These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters, and never fit into Sonic style.
You've never read the books. I can tell.
Only a handful of homosexuals actually read the comics, considering how much money IDW is hemorrhaging. The characters are basically just material for porn artists and headcannon people.
People do read IDW Sonic
They just don't buy them
Compare the amount of views they get on RCO to Comichron's charts
>These shitty OCs were doomed from start, because no one opened a Sonic comic for them. They stole the roles from actual game characters,
This post applies way more to IDW than Archie. Every time I open a story expecting Sonic to battle some new villain I'm greeted by the sight of Tangle and Whisper lezzing it up or the bug chick complaining about paperwork or Starline being a homosexual or Belle b***hing about Eggman being her dad.
It feels like Sonic isn't a main character in his own comic anymore.
Yeah, I mean even stupid shit from Archie like the Sally Slap or the Echidna bullshit revolved around characters like Sonic and Knuckles. IDW might as well be an entirely different franchise.
Which reminds me; the Sega mandates basically forced Knuckles out of the comic and dismantled Team Dark. That's probably why we haven't seen anyone except Amy, Tails and Sonic for the past year.
Yeah, Sega really is shooting themselves in the foot. Different adaptations having different takes on characters (such as a wandering Knux or a slightly friendlier Shadow) is a good thing and keeps things interesting.
>K n u x
You now owe Penders a few dimes for mentioning his character without his consent.
The book started focusing on the secondary cast after the Metal Virus ended. It's just a breather arc, the big Sonic and Surge confrontation is up next.
The Metal Virus story ended two years ago. This is more than a "breather arc."
>(much as I love Thunderbolt and GBK)
Shit taste.
>The world of Archie Sonic is probably the biggest loss going over to IDW.
You shouldn't read IDW expecting Archie.
Why not? They have the exact same writers and artists.
""Empire"" stuff is super-cringe and only good for porn art with uniforms
The fact that I've only gotten three genuine responses to this tells me that I'm right.
I miss Archie's Eggman Empire too. I don't understand why anyone would be opposed to Eggman running a bona fide empire. The games already imply he does unless you think his massive armies and Star Wars flees just literally stop existing as soon as the plot stops needing them. Eggman was never "just" a mad scientist, that's just headcanon by people who think Sonic can't have stories period.
I at least want more groups of resistance forces fighting his forces in other parts of the world and have GUN protecting the human cities. Another great thing about Archie was that the Freedom Fighters were part of a larger network that grew over time. The Resistance is just Sonic and the gang and a bunch of nameless jobbers. Shame Whisper's group is DEAD.
No Sonnikku characters arrowed except Sonnikku's shitty friends, baka gaijin.
IIZUKAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'll laugh if the leaks about Frontiers' story are true. It actually sounds like Ian is calling Sega out.
What are the leaks?
Supposedly Sonic finds wakes up in a mysterious new world, and the story revolves around rescuing his friends and remembering who he is.
It basically sounds like a jab at Sega sidelining all of the secondary characters and forgetting what makes Sonic who he is.
>Sonic finds wakes up in a mysterious new world, and the story revolves around rescuing his friends and remembering who he is.
It is me... or this sounds like the standard isekai plot?
inb4:
>"I reincarnated as a supersonic blue hedgehog after dying by chocking on a hardboiled egg"
I'm almost certain that was a Fleetway issue plot, except Sonic woke up as a human.
>fleetway predicts another thing again
fleetwaychads cant stop winning
Why black hair?
They're not even allowed to give characters names unless Iizuka personally oversees their creation, character design and character traits. I shit you not, Ian wasn't even allowed to give that Oragutan Belle was friends with a name because he wasn't part of the main cast.
I can already see the encyclopedia for IDW characters.
>unless Iizuka personally oversees their creation, character design and character traits
All hail the mighty Iizuka?
Stop saying bullshit. "Don't name a character unless they're important to the story" is not the same as "they're not allowed to name characters unless Iizuka says so". Ian didn't even create or write the story in which the Orangutan you're mentioning appears in.
Ian LITERALLY SAYS that the reason they don't name the Orangutan is because Sonic Team didn't oversee their creation
Where? Give me a specific timestamp and youtube link of Ian saying something like this about an issue and character he didn't even have anything to do with. Evan wrote that issue, Evan wrote that character, ABT drew him. Ian wasn't involved.
And what Evan says is that characters only get named IF they're going to be relevant to the story. So orangutan is unnamed, because he was just a background mechanic. If they do a new story where he's important, THEN he'll get named. Same with Lanolin. Her design's approved by Sega, yet she's not named in-comic, because so far her role has just been "recurring background extra".
She was supposed to be his "sister". So the Tails to his Sonic. A lot of people didn't really care for the arc and I don't have much an opinion on it either way. But Gold being a lesbian into women of power like Sally and Blaze intrigues me.
>Does anyone even like Gold?
She was mildly shipped with Silver, but when Evan revealed she was a bisexual lesbian all her relevance to fans tanked.
Worlds Collide was carried hard by artists. With enough experience in comics and issues to judge, you can tell how much of any writer's story is actual scripting vs the artist choreographing things. Ian's got a shitload of comics under his belt and we've seen that when artists with a history of very direct script adaptation draw his stuff, it ends up stiff. He doesn't do choreography.
I think his best stuff is a handful of his early stories, a good chunk of his SU stories, scattered bits of IDW and the first arc of the Sonic Boom comic. Boom's extra weird because it's structured really well, but he never uses the fundamentals from it anywhere else. Makes me feel like either he was instructed to format it like that (a series of short stories that interconnect and establish the cast an how they interact) or he overthinks his other comics.
I thought all the non-Flynn content in Sonic Universe was just three stories; two by Yardley and one by Stanley.
The Sally and Nicole arc was written by Ian's wife.
And Ian worked on that comic's writing, too. I feel like it's odd to say that "a lot of Sonic Universe wasn't written by Ian" if it's possible to count all the non-Flynn stories with one hand.
It's more of a co-writing credit. Then again, they are a couple. We've seen Ian's notes. He jots down the plot for both series.
The vast majority was.
>(which was probably pretty easy due to working under him)
Ian never worked under Penders.
No, the majority of Ian's fame comes from being Pellerito's literal hack in order to trim the fat in the comic, as well as Yardley coming onto the main comic at the exact same time. Ian himself admits that Pellerito cut back a lot of Ian's dumber ideas, like wanting House of Cards to take an entire fricking year, and the moment Pellerito got promoted, Ian's writing suffered because subsequent editors wouldn't be as hands-on with him.
Hi Mike are you still divorced and alone in the house?
I wouldn't give Pellerito full credit, but I think you're close to the heart of it.
Ian, as a writer, excels at editing and restructuring existing ideas. He's not very good at coming up with new ones, he's got a poor sense for pacing, and he's bad at recognizing and addressing his writing flaws.
I think the pacing issue often comes from the fact that he ever since I wanna say after Genesis Wave, but I think it started around Archie got to make Mega Man comic, but the main thing is that he's either forced or forces himself to fit every story into a 4 issue TPB. This issue clearly persists in IDW comics so it's probably a choice, which is very hit or miss. Some stories just shouldn't be prolonged or be shorter than 4 issues and you can't keep juggling overarching plots with self-contained ones for so many years.
I think the sweet spot is 3 issues max for his arcs but I prefer 4 over how long Metal Virus was. Although the Archie plans had SU doing part of it and I think that's fine. 8 issues for MV seems right.
Is there anymore photos like this? I'm curious about how Ian plans out his scripts and scribble them down.
Didnt he start doing that because he was writing for trades ? Thats what I understood from the last storytime thread.
>Ian himself admits that Pellerito cut back a lot of Ian's dumber ideas
Yeah like Iron Dominion that he pitched as a joke...
>I want to pitch a retread of old ideas but it might get turned down...
>I know! I'll pitch something new with a romance drama slant to the company that sells romantic comedy comics! They'll surely deny this!
No, that's him being stupid again.
That's still a dumb idea being accepted so this tard wrangler Mike narrative doesn't work. Also reminder it was Mike's idea to play up Sonic v Tails in HoC to market it. People still b***h about it to this day.
See, you're doing that thing mentioned a few posts above where you take everything as an absolute instead of discussing it with any nuance.
Most people seem to agree Ian's peak was when Mike was editor. Ian has talked about how a lot of really dumb ideas got turned down by Pellerito and P would give him direction on what to focus on next. The logical extrapolation is that Ian benefitted greatly from this editor's input.
Your counterargument is that Ian presented a couple ideas and the editor picked the one Ian didn't like, which somehow means it was a bad decision. But we saw one of the other proposals later (Mecha Sally) and that arc was worse. Even if you wanted this crazy "AH, BUT A SINGULAR MISTAKE WAS MADE, THEREFORE INVALID" stance, that line of reasoning doesn't even support your own argument.
Like, Mike wasn't some savant, but clearly his influence helped Ian a lot. We've seen Ian with more hands-off editors (and even NO editors!) for years and generally his batting record is worse. Saying that his editor was a big part of his success is pretty reasonable.
Yeah, which is why he's had more trouble over the last decade
>See, you're doing that thing mentioned a few posts above where you take everything as an absolute instead of discussing it with any nuance.
This chain began with giving all the credit to Mike for any good he's done so nice hypocrisy.
1. They're not me.
2. Yeah they're being hyperbolic.
3. They said "majority" while you're trying to discredit tge notion that he mattered at all on flimsy premises.
Don't try to gotcha me, moron.
Obviously Ian deserves credit for his successes. Saying that his circumstances and collaborators mattered a lot is also true. Whether they deserve more or less credit is subjective, but all parties deserve credit.
>3. They said "majority" while you're trying to discredit tge notion that he mattered at all on flimsy premises.
I never said he didn't matter at all, I was contradicting the narrative that Mike was the sole arbiter of Ian's work.
>Don't try to gotcha me
Then don't try to defend hyperboles.
You gotta live with what you said and not what you meant, anon.
You said Mike made a stupid mistake in picking ID then doubled down that he can't be a tard wrangler because he made a decision you dislike. We know what you mean, there's no need to backtrack on the premises to avoid saying you fricked up.
>You gotta live with what you said and not what you meant, anon.
Please link the post where I said "Mike didn't matter at all".
>You said Mike made a stupid mistake in picking ID then doubled down that he can't be a tard wrangler because he made a decision you dislike.
Yeah because he wasn't a tard wrangler, he was a collaborator who made good and bad decisions like Ian. It's your fixation on elevating him that's the issue here.
>We know what you mean
Your headcanon matters to no one.
Before anything else, just know everyone's tired already of your shit with reprising this whole agony of Tails and Fiona for the eleventh time. Please, for the love of everyone else, let it go, Tailsgay.
They will never let it go. Sonic autists will pearl clutch over > 20 minutes of content until they die.
Not a Tailsgay, I was just using it as an example.
You are the living epitome of “Rent Free”
>like wanting House of Cards to take an entire fricking year
Might be a hot take but whatever, I think that would have resulted in a better story than what HoC turned out to be. Most common complaint of that arc was how everyone came out looking like trigger-happy jackasses and that's because it was setup and resolved in only 2 issues. Maybe not a whole year, but definitely longer than 2 would have gave more room for proper buildup and escalation.
Counterpoint: most of Ian's 4-20 issue stories are stretched out. He doesn't add nuance and more detail when you give him more space. He repeats story beats and fills space with references.
Not going to bother with the overgeneralization, but the premise of the arc had nuance baked in. It was all about exploring how the cast would have fell on the divide based on their beliefs and upbringing, eventually leading to the split in the kingdom seen in the first issue and the different political motivations of the council.
>Not going to bother with the overgeneralization
Would you actually engage in discussion if I started listing specific examples or would you say "That's different" and back down with no further elaboration?
No because your argument is that because it happened in these specific examples therefore it would have happened in this theoretical extended arc, ignoring all other factors, so I don't see the point of engaging with such a flawed argument.
>would you say "That's different" and back down with no further elaboration?
>"No"
>Procedes to explain that this is DIFFERENT and shuts down any attempt to actually discuss it.
Predictable motherfricker.
There's plenty of writers who I think can make a good case for why they need more issues to elaborate on their ideas. Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples, but I suppose actually talking about his writing makes it harder to pretend his mistakes aren't his fault.
I was saying no to engaging with your argument.
>Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples, but I suppose actually talking about his writing makes it harder to pretend his mistakes aren't his fault.
You already contradicted yourself by admitting that some of his 4+ story arcs were good. HoC was literally only 2. Saying that additional issues would be absolutely useless is just you going to the opposite extreme to say he only makes mistakes. This is why I saw no value in your argument because it's just a pissing contest.
>Goes back to the extremes and "AHA, LOOK AT THIS SMOKING GUN, YOU PRAISED A THING VAGUELY ASSOCIATED WITH A THING YOU CRITICIZED!"
Autism is one hell of a drug.
I don't know how you looked at "most of his stories that go beyond a couple issues are stretched out" and saw "Every single four issue story Ian ever wrote was BAD!!!" and decided you needed to Phoenix Wright my ass. "He wrote a bunch of good SU stories" and "a lot of his stuff that's not short and to the point gets dragged out hard" are not mutually exclusive statements. Ian is not Satan or Jesus. He is a guy and he has strengths and weaknesses.
Do you want to actually talk about comic books or do you want to keep pretending that your hypothetical MUST be correct? Because frick, I'd love if you gave me a decent counterargument. I just think trying to argue inherent nuance to stories is fricking stupid. Writers botch easy wins all the time. That's just life.
>Goes back to the extremes
The only one who went to extremes was you.
>He doesn't add nuance and more detail when you give him more space.
>He repeats story beats and fills space with references.
>Ian absolutely isn't one of them based on over a decade of examples
Now you're just backtracking.
>Do you want to actually talk about comic books or do you want to keep pretending that your hypothetical MUST be correct?
Not with you because you've already proven inconsistent just for the sake to act like you're right. All I said was that adding more issues would address the criticism that the arc was too fast-paced, then you came in saying "nuh uh, it would have been bad because of these other unrelated arcs". I'm not interested with somebody willing to throw out all possibilities.
What the frick is wrong with Ian?
He didn't say that, he said Starline isn't gay for Eggman romantically.
If Ian tried to get across Sonic is gay he'd be out on his ass by Sega.
Starline is such an obvious flaming homosexual that if he was a character from a 20th century cartoon or comic then 21st century bloggers would use him as an example of a stereotypically gay panic villain written by a bigot.
Starline yes, but saying Sonic is into guys feels like a bit much.
This sounds like a joke or something he never said. Starline is gay as frick but Ian wants Sonic to be with women.
I like his characterization but his dialogue is way too referential
It’s the Family Guy of comic “HEY TAILS REMEMBER THST TIME IN GREEN HILL ZONE-“
Worlds Collide as great. Worlds Unite was messy, but the last quarter of it was a fun read. Mind you I never paid for any of it.
stop blowing the fat idiot editor
Okay.
Tell Ian to write better comics.
That's the editor's job.
If Ian Flynn is such a great writer, why does Drogune have virtually no audience?
what's Drogune?
Stop making up words
Ian is ironically a bad idea guy.
He is a good editor and outline guy, though.
Mike certainly hasn't helped other Archie writers - their output is trash
Who and which comics are you talking about?
Those historical fiction shitshows by Waid were awful
They do suck, but I don't think he was editor on those. He became a money guy over a decade ago.
He was the editor on those. He was never the money guy, he just handed over the Sonic/MM stuff to Kaminski. He retained editorial over the modern reboots of Archie and the regular versions. You can confirm that on RCO.
>He was never the money guy
He became company President, an executive position that determines what books and pitches are getting greenlit in a more broad capacity. That is a financial position, not a creative position. That's even less hands-on than the stuff Victor Gorelick was up to for literal decades.
I know people in Sonic threads don't know shit about comics publishing, but holy shit anon. The company president was not doing fricking redlines, script revisions, and forwarding licensing standards feedback to the writers. That wasn't his job. He was not the editor on these books after his promotion. That was Kaminski, followed by that guy who only lasted two years.
You have no idea how that place works. Their CEO decides everything. With the video game books it was Kaminski being a proper editor (and later it was another guy) but for the modern and horror Archie comics P was doing those things you said. Alex Segura was also doing those things when he got President status until he left, but he did it only with the superhero comics they made.
Tell ‘em Jon Gray
Whats Gray's position nowadays in IDW ?
does he work there or just does an occasional cover?
His linkedin says hes a freelance artist/writer for IDW.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jongraywb/
Looks like he also teaches at an art school.
Not many can draw full time so that makes sense.
Jon's the only guy who ever mentioned working with Pellerito after his promo, so maybe.
Ask him how to make Draino Cookies.
kek no response from him
What do you want me to say, anon?
All of those bland modern books and random off-shoots of characters that are just the same concept reused with a new deco paint.
Is he right ? Even when compared to Penders's work on the comic ?
I'm not watching some moron's video essay, but Rom's art was bad because he didn't try. Ken's art was bad because he never learned how to do anything but trace.
There's probably worse artists that only had one story to do but Ron Lim was around long enough to really stick out. He is definitely one of if not the worst Sonic artist. Which is funny because he's a great artist if you look at his Marvel work. It's just one of those instances where an artist just can't do Sonic's style.
>Ron Lim
>not Many Hands
Say the IDW Sonic comic gets cancelled
What would that mean for Ian at this point?
He has Prime and Frontiers to keep him employed. Evan though I have no idea.
Evan does Sonic art commissions for big bucks, especially LGBT ones.
>People claim Ian would fill the entire comic with Lesbians and Trans if let amuck
>People completely ignore Evan.
All Ian has really been inclined was Nicole & Sally and maybe Tangle & Whispers, which seem like the most basic, basically harmless choices for lesbian representation around while any trans representation he sounds more like "sure if that's what the editor falls" which translates more as he doesn't really care.
Evan however, would LGBT everything if she could. Just looking at her fancomic would tell you that.
I find vapid virtue signaling and fandom pandering far more offensive than genuine interest in writing romance that is kept out of work assignments due to professionalism.
>which seem like the most basic, basically harmless choices for lesbian representation
Turning Sally bi was arrogant af considering: He never made Sally Acorn or Nicole in the first place and had shown no signs of being a dyke, and Sally had dated/married/had kids with Sonic in different timelines. I don't care if Ian makes his own OCs like Tangled and Whisper gay, but trying to make Sally and Nicole gay and in a relationship was peak arrogance and twitter (and personal?) pandering. I'm glad SOJ was able to push back his ideas far enough that the relationship was never canonized in the comics.
>But he said in a podcast...!
He doesn't own the characters, they're SEGA's and only what shows up in the comics matter, not his fanfiction he spews on his podcast and on twitter. Not his characters, they're SEGA's and only SEGA can choose what happens to them.
>Not his characters, they're SEGA's and only SEGA can choose what happens to them
Which ironically he says everytime the topic is brought up. I feel the problem is that fans continue to try and bring it up in his podcast and he is forced to response.
Plus, Sally and Nicole ain't such a bad idea IMO, specially since SOJ is set in making Sonic no longer able to flirt with anyone but maybe Amy sometimes.
Sally and Nicole in the reboot were positioned as sisters. Nicole says she built her identity off Sally.
It's a bit weird.
It's hotter, you mean.
Sega looks for another publisher and Ian will once again be the first person writing for it. At the very least he'll be consulting and working with Evan. Maybe he'll use that as leverage to push his Freedom Fighter agenda.
Depends on why it got cancelled. If it's a decision on IDW's part then Sega might move to another company and bring the old staff there. All Sega is doing is lending out the license for money so it's not like it's a lot of work on their end to go somewhere else. If it's Sega's decision they might not take it anywhere else and just let the comics side die or do it in-house.
>Sega might move to another company and bring the old staff there
What publisher contract includes bringing the old staff along with the IP ?
>What publisher contract includes bringing the old staff along with the IP ?
Nothing but it's a common strategy in order to snag their established fandom onto the new running.
Sega doesn't "bring the old staff" anywhere.
>Ian Flynn mentioned that when IDW got the license, he had just as much of a shot of writing the book as anyone else, and largely got in due to fan demand. Had he not been chosen to be head writer at the start of the series, the comic itself would be different.
okay anon
Will he dare to kill Belle? I hope so, I already have a meme prepared for the occasion.
although it hurts me a little to know that he never had an interaction with metal sonic.
>I already have a meme prepared for the occasion.
Nah. That'd be really flaccid.
You're saying anon's opinions are extreme, absolute statements because they didn't append "imo" to any of them while also refusing to humor the idea that your guess at what could have been might be wrong. Sometimes I wonder how many people in this fanbase have self-awareness.
She'll end up as Surge's girlfriend.
Evan is head writer now, and she is gonna shove her OC into everyone's faces.
Ian has no power over her fate.
Ian is still the head writer, he ghost writes the overall course of the book. That's why he has dibs on issue 50.
It's also why Evan's stories aren't allowed to do anything of consequence. It's pretty lame that they "collaborate" like that.
this back and forth about editors is hilarious
ya homies think dick giordano walked thru the door or something
I've risen from the grave to tell you gaygit kids that you don't know shit about Sonic.
One of the great things about fancomics is that we can see how a lot of other people would write Sonic. Then you think about how hard Sega would reject it if that person worked for them.
Depends on the fancomic.
Sega's standards mostly apply to keeping the characters on brand. They don't seem to care if the scenarios go wild.
Pat Casey is the best current Sonic writer.
His pages get a bit too talky, but his pacing is strong.
The frick are you saying, moron?
Are you confusing him with the guy who did the movie tie-in?
I have that EXACT same shirt.
Yardley's art is stale as frick and got old after a while, but I'll admit it's at least consistent. The artists during Pender's run varied from passable to downright garbage, so having a consistent artstyle alarm Yardley's that was closer to the games was a nice touch after years of inconsistent work.
Spaz is the GOAT Sonic artist though, at least he brought variety.
Possibly not, but "the likes of Penders" was the norm for decades. Someone tackling video game characters in a halfway decent way, using stuff from the games while introducing new stuff of his own? That was practically unheard of before him.
I hate Archie Sonic so much.
You hate everything. Accept you're just a joyless jerk.
*ahem*
Sally is a good character.
COMMENCE THE WARS
not happening. Archie Sonic is dead. It's over
You severely underestimate Archiegays. Years later and they still keep arguing over their shitty ass furgay comic. They still love to argue their favorite ass mary-sue OC was ever any decent. They literally won't ever stop insinuating and harassing Ian for bringing back the Freedom Furgays. You should see who's "Richmunk" to learn enough of these insufferable pricks.
And it's all hilarious. It's like watching a circus.
I've let go of Archie Sonic. While fun to look back at it every once and awhile, it can be a cringer especially during the Saturn Dry Spell
>While fun to look back at it every once and awhile
It isn't. It was never good. SEGA didn't curbstomp it into death for nothing.
your sadass opinion
You didn't let go of Archie, then.
People like you are the reason everyone else get strokes. I rebuke you!
Some of it was pretty good, like the Reboot Worldbuilding, Finitevus, Geoffrey turning out to be an evil wizard, etc. Ixis Naugus' backstory (3 evil wizards fused into one) was also pretty cool in a comicbook sort of way.
>never was cohesive
That's part of the fun of comics. All the different writers' insanity building upon eachother.
Delusion, the post.
No argument, the post.
Richmunk...
IDWschizo...
Freedom Furgays will never come back.
Belle and Whisper will never be interesting characters.
Still canon and SEGA approved characters and soon to be in new games, diaper gay.
>Still canon
Nope
>and soon to be in new games
Never ever. A shitty mobile game's promotional tie-in is all you're going to get
>SEGA approved characters
So are the Freedom Fighters, literally created by the American branch of SEGA.
Whisper will be interesting when she's officially Tangle's lover.
Trying to say otherwise will have you labeled as a homophobe.
There's nothing of fun about anything of this shitty ass fanfiction soap opera. It's godawful and never was cohesive, unlike Sonic games. Get your anus checked and make sure you aren't just suffering of diarrhea.
methbaby
Change your diapers.
Don't reply. It's an notable identifying shitposter.
Fleetway suffered majorly from the dry spell as well.
I watched a 5 hour long documentary about Richmunk. Gotta say, aside from the diaper shit, he's pretty based
Richmunk's still the same crybaby butthole if you've seen him on discord. He's never gonna change, just learn how to hide himself better.
Can't tell if this is meant to be trolling or actual rage-fueled smug autism honestly.
>trolling or actual rage-fueled smug autism
A little bit of this, a little bit of that
both, sonic is the ultimate tism magnet
>Cosmo being dragged down by this
Thanks I hate it.
What's really the worst here, is you can trace it all over back to *that* general.
Funny enough, one of the theories is that the guy in question has been banned from /sthg/ and that's why he comes here. Like truly no one wants to deal with him.
Archie comic general that was for some reason on /vg/?
He's negative, but sincere and never leaves more than a single post.
Why are you defending a literal avatargay?
NTA, but here's the explanation:
>samegayging
>Defending shitty characters is wrong except for when we do it
Get some new material
shitty characters
Get on with the program, the discussion was about an avatargay
All the avatargays and namegays are characters. What, you thought anons do that shit for real?
Ken Penders was unironically right about Sally. She only existed to cramp Sonic's style and be a general annoyance to the reader.
That's on the writers, not the character concept.
He only said that, because he was told to not ship his shithead skunk anymore with Sally. He's a thorough narcissistic opportunist.
Yes, she is.
Honestly, Ian's formula probably would've been better in the late 90s/early 00s than it is now. His big thing is about setting up multi-year "status quo" arcs and telling a bunch of character-focused issues within those arcs. He's mediocre at it, but it'd be easier if he had a constant stream of new game material to adapt to forcibly change the status quo for him, instead of the current format where Sega shits out a half-assed low-stakes game every three to five years which means the comics have to make everything up as they go along.
That's why it worked early on: he had to adapt an aged framework to fit the then-recent shakeup to the brand and also reconcile all the dangling plot threads. It gave him a ton of material to work with.
Now the brand is pretty static and he's not allowed to pull from old stuff, so he has to make stuff up on his own.
Probably more highly since it's the same book so the Penders/Bollers stuff is so often linked to his run. His Archie run is brilliant I don't even get how you could do better with that considering that the entirety of it before hand other than a handful of Spaz issues was utter shit. I remember before I even knew who made this stuff the difference between the post and pre 160 issues was immediately apparent. His Preboot run is Autism Crack though I'm not really into the IDW stuff. Perhaps because it's another fricking Reboot or perhaps because it feels like more of a product. Either way I will always think of his work highly because he turned absolute shit into wine
[Spoiler] and brought me back into this Sonic shit frick you you fat frick I had gotten out too [/Spoiler]
All I want is for Marine to come back
Not before I get the fricking Hooligans back.
They’ve been banished to the Classic Dimension anon. You won’t be seeing them again.
All uncanon shit and "Hooligan" is a shitty fan-made Archieshit term.
Marine, Sticks, Chip... any other character listed in Sonic Channel but doomed to be forsaken?
It is wrong to wish for a Sonic x Street Fighter comic?
You mean World's Unite?
That was utter disappointment and executive ball-dragging
We really didn't need another crossover.
People meme about Penders, but the second crossover was what actually killed Archie Sonic. Archie had to pay for each individual IP and sales didn't cover the amount spent on them and essentially made Archie quit with licensed comics and put all their cards on the table for Riverdale which proved successful.
The cracks at stuff like Viewtiful Joe and Breath of Fire almost feel insulting in retrospect.
let's be glad they didn't Bayonetta or Darkstalkers
OTOH Betty and Veronica had a crossover with Red Sonja and Vampirella
The Sega side was picked based on relevance to Sonic and whether or not Ian was a fan while the Capcom side was a cross section of fan engagement and practicality.
This ended up being bad for both sides. The Sega half ended up being way too narrow in scope, missing really obvious franchises like Shining and Phantasy Star (both of which were still very active at the time!) but also oddball that define Sega's branding like Rent A Hero or Puyo. I like Skies of Arcadia, but the Vyse ducks King was grating. Capcom's side ended up getting Captain N level representation because Ian wasn't a fan of most of those games, which contrasted poorly with the Sega characters. Like, having Issun speak completely out of character and throwing in a couple gameplay references you could glean from an IGN video wasn't going to make Okami fans happy.
>ducks king
Dick sucking.
I deserve this for phoneposting.
>Like, having Issun speak completely out of character
Example? Haven't played Okami in a while, but wasn't he a "pervert with a heart of gold" type of character who was also a painter?
He has a very specific speech pattern in both English and Japanese that's easy to parse and meant to illustrate his arrogance, lack of manners, directness, but also his integrity.
The English version accomplishes this through insistence on nicknames, sentences formed from extremely to-the-point statements filled out with a sort of verbal "windup" to his insults (he won't say "Pay attention!", he'll say "I keep telling ya not to space out like that!"), a lot of contractions or outright omitted words, constant digs at Amaterasu despite liking her, and generally just being extremely sincere (aside from the nastiness, which is misleading flavor to sincere statements; he'll criticize Ammy when he's worried in a rude way, but he won't sarcastically mock her).
Those are the general style rules for Issun that you can pick up on very quickly. So it's weird when he only gets a handful of lines and he exclusively refers to her as "Amaterasu", makes multi-sentence sarcastic quips, and generally talks in a more long winded, full-sentence-utility way. It's not some horrible mistake, but it's the kind of thing where someone who would actually care enough about Okami to be excited about a shallow cameo would be put off by how strangely Issun speaks. A lot of the characters are handled like this, especially on the Capcom side. VJ/O/BOF/SF didn't get the kind of care NIGHTS and Billy Hatcher did.
Speaking of missing character traits, Issun hitting on Sally is extra weird because he only flirts with girls who have huge breasts/ass or resemble Japanese deities. He treats every other woman, even cute or beautiful ones, like a normal person and this is used to mess with the player during the Ninetails arc and later the Kamui arc.
His work on Archie around the turn of the decade and reboot as a whole was pretty good. So, yes.
You don't even read the comics. You're here to shitpost just like every odd-numbered homosexual on this site.
this is why churches say the last days are at hand.
Did you auto-generate that response, you little attention prostitute?
attend sunday and wednesday service more than sometimes
I hate his face
I don't think he's any better than Penders, just more slavish to the source material and fan wankery.
Ken Penders is a better writer than Flynn.
Fite me homosexuals
When he was forced to actually write stories and characters with restrictions he was decent, but you could feel his frustrations through the pages.
I feel like the frustration of Penders comes from his take not being seeing as the true canon.
Usually, one would expect a hack like him jumping on the chance to gloat about his ideas being use as the inspiration for a group of charactees in one of the games. Instead, he gets salty and sues (and, just a reminder, that because of the copyright status at that time, Sega, Bioware or Archie had no obligation to even mention his name).
Who gets this dude, honestly.
>penders creates the characters and lore
>ian takes that and creates stories
Let's assume that Penders sets aside his hateboner for his successor, would it be kino?
Not really, because Penders lore was just a mess of concepts stolen from 70s-90s scifi tv shows like Star Trek. Tonally different from Sonic to begin with, and inconsistent levels of hard vs soft science that makes it difficult to use for world building.
i.e: Ian is just better at writing mishmashed fanfictions
Ian's deep pulls are "Remember this obscure Game Gear game starring Tails? I'm gonna bring the villain from that back, and make her the sister of the wizard from the SatAM cartoon"
Ken's deep pulls are "Remember the borg? They're back now, in Echidna form!"
They both rely on nostalgia but one looks inwards while the other looks outward.
Penders is a bootleg Byrne
No, but Ian has a lot of the same problems as a writer that Ken does. He's just less of a douche and actually likes Sonic.
Btw Cinemaphile, how do you feel about Gamma, Mephiles and Super Shadow becoming playable in the mobile games
>Fricking Mephiles got in
>Me looking at Sticks, Marine and Shade
Sticks is in at least one of them.
She was in Sonic Dash 2, the one that was part of the Sonic Boom sub-series.
That one however was discontinued (if memory serves), and she still hasn't been released in Forces or Dash
>Sticks
Unlikely, but not impossible. Sega seems to want to forget Sonic Boom ever happened at the moment.
>Marine
Likely, Sega still wants to push Blaze’s world and cast. Only thing really stopping her is that she’s not a fighter or runner.
>Shade
Nope, she’s fricking 100% dead. Even putting the Penders autism aside Sega wants nothing to do with Bioware anymore.
>Nope, she’s fricking 100% dead. Even putting the Penders autism aside Sega wants nothing to do with Bioware anymore.
>Sega wants nothing to do with Bioware anymore
Yes, unfortunately as much as I enjoyed it for the story, ultimately Chronicles was not a good game.
On top of that, it did poorly on sales, which meant trying to push for the sequel was not worth it.
I do wish they would retool Shade and the Nocturnus Clan, as I liked how they were used as the Fourth Great Civilization which tied them to Emerl and Sonic Battle... which is another game I wish it had a sequel.
They weren’t even a good idea in concept. The Dark Legion was already pointless because the story already had Robotnik as a villain who uses technology. It’s no wonder Ian eventually just merged the DL into the Eggman Empire. They were redundant.
The Nocturnus were more technologically advanced than Eggman, it was fricking stupid.
The Nocturnus were the 4th great civilisation that created Emerl, anon. The whole point was that they were more advanced than Eggman, it's why he had to team up with the heroes to stop them.
I don’t like villains who are just “has all the powers and resources as existing villain but bigger and better!” Same reason I hate Eggman Nega.
Not that anon but the vast majority of game lore in Sonic is centered around the idea of hyperadvanced ancient civilizations that just sort of disappeared and Eggman is often trying to recreate or harness their power. And I'm not just talking about the 3d games. Even the chaos emeralds fall into this category.
>They weren’t even a good idea in concept
Nah, they were an OK idea. They weren't just technologically advanced, their main theme was being "interdimensional beings" mixed with "bad guys who were lost in time".
Meaning as a concept they served their purpose. That being said, they couldn't be used in a recurring way, or else it would risk becoming stale. As, after their original introduction, they would lost the main element that made them be something other than "Eggman, but better".
A retool of Shade and the Nocturnus would be positive as that would change their backstory (separating them even more from the Dark Legion), allowing them to be use more recurrently. Alas, this is just wishful thinking at this point.
Bring her back...
I miss the battlebirds. They were a real good use of obscure game characters, had a cool and pretty plausible connection to the Rogues and Bean, and seeing Kukku grab and slam people around never got old. Will they bring them back?
Only in classic comics, which is looking better the more I think about it.
O/T but Tails Adventure could use a solid remake.
Someone at SFGHQ should get on that.
Agree, it's a fin little game. I brought the birds up because I recently beat it and seeing XV does grab and toss Tails and that's where it comes from made me chuckle.
This. I would like this.
who cares homie. Thanks to reboots any character that's "brought back" is just a new character anyway. I don't get this fricking shit at all. Same with all those Bring back the FFs and all that. It's literally just "oh my god it's a thing I recognise now I feel validated"
Flynn without a doubt not even close. Though I need to get to StC one of these days.
I wish he made shadow tougher and more a smug classy badass who doesn't lose fights.
I wish you would go outside, talk to a real woman and lose 150kg, but I guess neither of us is gonna get what that.
Nice try, Penders.
Speak up, can't hear you.
The only good Sonic story is Sonic Adventure 2.
Since nobody's brought it up here, have Frontier's leaked plot.
So Shadow is a illusion?
This is the fakest shit I have ever read, it's not even trying to line up with what we already know of the game. The final boss was already leaked, even.
This is fricking moronic.
This sounds too complicated and thus fake as shit.
so thoughts on Sage?
ToT
All she's done so far is betray Eggman and stand next to a boss. She seems cute enough.
If she doesn't die like a b***h and gets to be the first returning character since Silver, I'll be happy. "Eggman's AI daughter" is a very fun concept, very hyped to hear what kind of mannerisms they went with for Sage's character.
Overhyped.
If pedophiles prevent the game from bombing like it should I'm going to be furious.
when a new character is announced, they will come
Came across this:
Thoughts? It is a good summary of Penders 101?
OK, Cinemaphile, unironically, who do you think is the best Sonic writer (from any media)?
Ian Flynn. The rest are not worth mention.
Michael Gallagher
Unrestricted Ian. I have my issues about his writing but I'd prefer him with as much freedom as possible over his neutered version.
An interesting pick. I'd also give Bollers another chance.
>his neutered version
Is that was you consider IDW now, or are there examples in Archie?
Access to characters and locations alone is something to consider. Ian's at his best when he has a large cast and world to play around with. And there are certain things he wants to do but can't. He would even be fine with Sonamy if Sega allowed Sonic to have a relationship. And who could forget his murderboner? At least he got to "kill" Starline and Surge but we already know the latter is coming back in a couple issues. Preboot Archie Ian was him with the most freedom, reboot held him back a bit but he still could do a lot of stuff, and IDW is completely restricted.
>At least he got to "kill" Starline and Surge
Wait, did the issue 50 come out already?
Someone storytimed it yesterday
Yeah, I found the archive, dam, was expecting the fights to be longer. Definitely not as big as Archie's issue 50, but that's to be expected.
The one I like the most is Shiro Maekawa, but I'm not sure if I would call him the best...
Nigel kitching
Shiro Maekawa
Unironically, Angelo DeCesare and Phoenix Rie.
But nobody cares about either.
the guy who wrote battle
>the guy who wrote battle (probably story movie planner, Asahiko Kikuchi)
Based and Sonicpilled
Alan Denton & Bill Freighberger
Though Ian can do good work when he isn't sperging out about Sanik
Sonic is best with no writers. No story shit.
Mods are confirmed Archiecucks, lmao.
Go away.
So apparently Ian's claiming Starline is in fact gone and not coming back, though this isn't ruling out the idea he could appear as part of a story set in the past.
Evan could change that though, and I suspect she will.
Killing him off that simply after that much buildup, just a few pages after finally having him break, would be really lame.
Hey, has anyone made a "Flatline" joke yet?
my balls
your mouth
you get the picture
I don't know
Repostish from the issue 50 thread. Evan Stanley always looked off to me and I don't know why. Even in comparison to Yardley, Spaz, Bates, and Peppers. I think it really clicked for me with issues 252 of Archie and still continues in IDW. I think it's how she draws faces and expressions. Something about them looks off on the Sonic characters.
the way they smile is so off putting
One thing that immediately stands out to me is that she doesn't do the series's trademark side mouth thing, not even on Sonic.
Compare it with a cover by Tyson Hesse.
The only thing is that this is Hesse using a different style than usual so it's harder to compare the two.
Hey, does anyone have that image of a bunch of tweets that Jennifer Hernandez made shitting on Tyson Hesse, Adam Bryce Thomas, and I think some of the other Sonic comic artists? I saw it on Cinemaphile years ago and didn't save it.
Is Jennifer really that awful in person?
No