Would he have pointed the gun at his own head and pulled the trigger without checking it first?
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Would he have pointed the gun at his own head and pulled the trigger without checking it first?
Unironically a good question to ask him on trial
there are limp wristed eurogays on this board who have never touched a gun who think alec should go free
>there are limp wristed eurogays on this board who have never touched a gun who think alec should go free
??? its obvious hes a murderer and should be tried for murder
Only eurochads want him punished, burgermutts will do everything to suck off a rich celebrity and think that's communism if you don't
On cross
>Mr. Baldwin, you were asked if you would point a gun at your head and pull the trigger, and you answered no, do you recall that?
>Yes
>You were starring in a movie called Rust, is that correct?
>Yes
>And in that movie there are a number of action scenes that take place that affect you as an actor playing a role, correct?
>Yes
>And those scenes require all manner of action, including things that would appear that you, personally, are in danger from the audience's perspective, correct?
>Yes
>And there's a difference between reality and movies, which is fantasy, would you agree?
>Yes
>So in the fantasy, your character is shot at multiple times, yes?
>Yes
>And the audience might think your character is in danger, correct?
>Yes
>But would you agree that you would have absolutely no expectation that you'd be in danger, right?
>Yes
>Despite having a gun pointed in your direction, right?
>That's right
>And would that be because the gun was checked and cleared?
>Yes
>And that it'd be impossible for that gun to contain live ammo if it was checked and cleared properly?
>Yes
>And whose job was it to check that gun and clear it properly?
>Ms. Hannah Guiterrez
>Is that the same Hannah Guiterrez who had the role of armorer on Rust?
>Yes
>And the one that was sentenced to the maximum sentence for negligent homicide and committing a violent act?
>Yes
>I have nothing more, your honor
we need a court kino made about this stat
>we need a court kino made about this stat
Maybe if I get unlazy I'll use the leapvoice app or something and turn it into an AI skit
So you think he should get off. Got it.
Alec Baldwin everyone.
No, he's guilty of negligent homicide as a producer. But not as an actor pulling the trigger, because the entire point of an armorer is to establish an absolute chain of custody and safety where you can do what's required with guns to make the movie
>he's guilty of negligent homicide as a producer.
Good luck making that stretch of an argument.
You might as well try to get the CEO of an airline indicted for negligent homicide over a plane crash that happened because one of the mechanics his people hired showed up drunk and screwed a turbine loose or something.
It's a different circumstance because Alec Baldwin directly hired someone incompetent out of nepotism.
>fired the union workers to save money
>suddenly live round kills someone right after
I'm still not ruling out the Agent 47 theory
>directly hired someone
Citation needed.
Producers do not hire everyone personally.
Also, no, even if you personally hire someone, that doesn't make that person's frickups yours.
>Also, no, even if you personally hire someone, that doesn't make that person's frickups yours.
I'd usually agree but the gun fired from Baldwin's hand. I don't consider him a murderer but he should still get in some trouble.
>but the gun fired from Baldwin's hand
That's unrelated to whatever got the armorer hired. And itself not incriminating either.
Things make more sense when you realize that we don't have a justice system, we have a legal system.
The only correct action was for the husband and father to kill Alec in revenge.
>I'm paying alimoney up the Wazoo so much my own lawyers have dubbed it 'alecmoney' to my face and my own daughter hates me. Of course I wouldn't have checked.
>Court laughs while I'm thinkng of my next bestseller: " OJ. He shot my dp."
How much is he going to have to pay that black woman for punching her phone?
The cost of the phone for sure. Her lawyers will probably try to argue emotional trauma from the experience and want several million dollars for it hoping that Baldwin will settle for a couple hundred thousand, which he well might since he has the other trial hanging over him.
You would think with all the shit going on he'd be able to control himself and just ignore her.
I hate defending this gay but she was right up in his face the whole time, even when he tried stepping away. I'll give him a pass here, she was a mentally ill carnival sideshow attraction.
Are you joking? He's never been able to control himself
He's been assaulting people who annoy him his whole life
10/27/95: Hit a cameraman who was recording. Alan Zanger was the photographer and said Baldwin approached him and began arguing with him and then punched him in the nose. Charged with battery then acquitted. Baldwin was later was found liable in a civil trial and had to pay but he used his daughter as a shield and got away with it.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-10-27-me-61811-story.html
2/12/10: Taken to the hospital after he got into a fight with his then 14-year-old daughter and threatened to take some pills. This was after he assaulted a photographer outside of his building in NYC.
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/alec-baldwin-assaulted-photographer-after-hospital-scare-2010122/
6/19/12: A photographer said Baldwin punched him numerous times, including in the chin. Baldwin tweeted soon after the altercation “A ‘photographer’ almost hit me in the face with his camera this morning #allpaparazzishouldbewaterboarded." After the incident, he wore a white sheet over his head in the streets of New York.
https://www.tmz.com/2012/06/19/alec-baldwin-ny-daily-news-photog-fight/
6/29/12: Caught on camera manhandling a much smaller guy and saying to him, “I know you got raped by a priest or something.”
https://www.tmz.com/2012/06/29/alec-baldwin-paparazzi-attack-explodes-new-york-threat/
2/18/13: Another angry, violent confrontation on the streets of NYC.
https://www.tmz.com/2013/02/18/alec-baldwin-new-york-post-photographer-fight/
8/27/13: He attacked a paparazzi in NYC and both parties called the cops.
https://www.tmz.com/2013/08/27/alec-baldwin-nypd-photog-attack/
11/14/13: He chases down a photographer
https://www.tmz.com/2013/11/14/alec-baldwin-pap-photog-chase-apartment/
11/15/13: Threatens a local news reporter and insults him after being asked a question.
https://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/alec-baldwin-wnyw-threat-video/
11/15/13 (again): Smacks a camera out of a photographer’s hand after pushing the photographer and lunging at him
https://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/alec-baldwin-shoves-photog-smacks-camera/
11/15/13 (again again): Recorded screaming at a woman reporter and demanding that she be arrested. Yelled at assembled reporters and banged into a parked car as he drove away
https://www.tmz.com/2013/11/15/alec-baldwin-hits-car-argument-with-reporter-video/
8/31/14 Erupted at a guy when approached for photos in a public park area. He is recorded becoming violently angry, and the photographer said Baldwin pushed and shoved him despite the photographer being far away from the family. The photographer also said he declined to press charges. The first cop on the scene saw Baldwin putting the pap in a headlock.
https://www.easthamptonstar.com/archive/baldwin-vs-photographer-east-hampton-village-street
5/4/16 Screams at a photographer for taking photos of his wife, despite them being in a known paparazzi spot.
https://www.tmz.com/2016/05/04/alec-baldwin-paparazzi-screaming-video/
I hope this butthole goes to prison
Looks like a history of extremely reckless behavior. But how does it apply to this case?
He thinks he is immune to consequences
Was the gun he was using supposed to have blanks or nothing in it at all? Because blanks can still kill you if you're very close.
They were supposed to be dummy rounds.
In his interview with police, he told them it was supposed to be completely empty. He mentioned that sometimes they will put fillers in so it looks good in a closeup, but that there was no closeup planned and it was supposed to be completely empty.
Are you seriously such a Bladwin dick rider that you'll just totally make shit up for him? Get a life.
Blanks are lethal at point blank range, dummy.
Did you even read what you replied to? Baldwin told police the gun was supposed to be empty, no blanks, no fillers "to make it look good", nothing.
>Blanks are lethal at point blank rang
sure but Baldwin used live rounds and hit two people, the round entering and exiting one person and entering another
>blanks can kill
Only if you place the gun directly to your temple like John hexam. Otherwise, unless a high speed wad of paper is lethal, they can’t.
Calm down moron.
>Calm down moron.
so that's a "yes", then
There was no question asked in my only post to you. Learn how to read.
>Only if you place the gun directly to your temple like John hexam.
False. Go back and watch the testimony of the expert armorer in the girl's trial where he states you need several feet of clear space in front of the firearm with exact distances dependent on whether it was quarter load, full load, etc. For me, it's full load or nothing. I'm trans if that matters.
blank .22 can break your skull. blank shotguns can blow your head up. You're forgetting about gas pressure
He wasn’t even supposed to use the gun in the scene they were filming so what the gun was loaded with is irrelevant since he never should have removed it from his holster anyway.
He took the gun out, aimed it at the crew and fired it and killed someone. He should get life in prison.
>so what the gun was loaded with is irrelevant
its very much central here where the live cartridges came from because Alec had them on his ammo belt as well
>He wasn’t even supposed to use the gun in the scene they were filming
They were not filming, they were rehearsing. And, yes, he was supposed to use a gun in that scene.
Probably.
WELL IF YOU WANT A COWBOY ON A WHITE HORSE starts playing
So was it any good?
Yes. He was being reckless and didn't think the gun would fire. Someone was going to die at some point, including him.
I really sympathize with Alec. Muzzle-sweeping people with your finger on the trigger is so goddamn fun.
You know what they say: if you want to make kino, you have to kill a few cinematographers.
>point gun at someone
>pull trigger
>shoot and kill them
>literally all on tape with dozens of witnesses
>"your honor, it's not my fault!"
Is this guy for real?
I don't think they were filming a scene. I thought he went full moron and casually blasted her as a joke.
And then walked over her as she was bleeding out.
Well he was in a state of shock and is possibly a narcissistic sociopath and also an alcoholic . I'm kind of surprised that it took so long for something horrible to happen. He has been noticeably unstable for decades.
He's definitely stupid enough to do exactly that.
>Would he have pointed the gun at his own head and pulled the trigger without checking it first?
No, because that wasn't in the script.
i have literally taken a gun safety course for film sets specifically. the instructor informed us that you are NEVER supposed to point a gun at another human being EVER, no matter if it has live rounds, blanks, or is empty.
EVERY shot you have EVER seen of people pointing guns at eachother in a film, if you examine closely they are actually pointing the gun just off to the side.
IF there is ANY case of it looking like people pointing guns at eachother, they most likely aren't, and if they are, they are holding totally fake guns because sometimes they use CO2 powered bb guns because they can look realistic do to the recoil (like in john wick) and even then as a rule they are still supposed to not supposed to point the guns actually at eachother but there is lee way for co2 guns.
the hierarchy of responsibility for gun safety is
producer, director, assistant director, armorer, gun safety coordinator, actor holding the gun
so alex baldwin should take more responsibility then the gun safety cordinator.
this whole situation is basically a massive gas light to try and trick people into thinking that alec bladwin should still get to have a career and not go to prison, the person getting in trouble is probably getting a massive payout.
film sets are SUPER anal about gun safety especially since THE CROW where brandon lee was killed from a series of freak occuranced tied to a series of poor safety decisions.
brandon was killed with blanks.
at the brandon lee event, they hand made blanks by taking out the contents of real bullets, which was insane.
a piece of a blank god dislodged into the barrel, then they didn't clear the barrel, then they put another blank in the gun, then they directly pointed teh gun at brandon lee and fired.
becasue of that, peopel don't frick around on film sets.
its precisely becasue ALEC BALDWIN was in charge and being lacsidasical on set about gun safety that this happened, its no one elses fault.
you are also supposed to NEVER point the gun at the camera directly unless there is no one physically behind the camera, again any case you have ever seen of someone pointing a gun at a camera, its either just off to the side or the camera is behind a bunch of bullet proof glass and there is even then no one actually physically behind the camera and its being remotely controlled.
Alec was also the producer
alex was the producer and the director and the actor holding the gun. it is EXTREMELY hammered over and over again in the film industry to be anally safe with guns.
the safety cordinator on a set is the only person besides the director that can call "cut" on a scene. they also have the authority to be able to take away a real gun from an actor and say that they are not allowed to hold a real gun because they are not responsible enough. they are designated only being able to have "a rubber", a rubber gun.
The problem is that this does not play out in reality becuase in reality connections and networking is everything and so it can be really terrifying to call cut or challenge a director or a producer or a star actor which alec baldwin was all three. so in practice being the safety cordinator just winds up meaning you are the scapegoat, just like in this exact situation.
>and the director
He was not the director. The director also got hit by the shot.
He also was only one of a handful of producers.
It's hillarious how much factual misinformation goes around in this case.
>the safety cordinator on a set is the only person besides the director that can call "cut" on a scene
It's not the military, these are a bunch of art school morons. If the girl who gets the coffee yells cut, everyone is going to stop.
i understand that, but then the coffee girl would likely get fired.
we are told that safety cordinators actually have the "authority" to yell cut, meaning on paper if they did so because they thought there was an actual safety hazard, they wouldn't get in trouble, in practice though its not as simple because if the director or producer disagrees with there being a problem, then the safety cordinator is risking pissing them off, which can have consequences such as not being hired back to do work or getting a bad reputation in the industry even though on paper they are allowed to do that.
Spend a few million dollars on a shot and have it blown because some safety coordinator got spooked someone might trip over an extension cord.
filming is EXTREMELY expensive, your setting up a million dollars + worth of equipment and man power to film and maybe only have an hour or so to do it because of the sunlight or other conditions like weather. if you are filming and someone fricks that up without a good reason that can end your career or frick up the budget of the film shoot. thats why that recording of tom cruise and christian bale freaking out on set at people messing up the filming is not actually that big a deal because their anger is warrented because its literally putting everyones finances in jepordy to frick up a film shoot.
so no, a coffee girl can't "just" call cut. safety cordinators are specifically given special privelges that ON PAPER they are allowed to do that without getting in trouble, in practice though because of everything i said and because of potentially clashing with really powerful people, its not that simple.
>i have literally taken a gun safety course for film sets specifically. the instructor informed us that you are NEVER supposed to point a gun at another human being EVER, no matter if it has live rounds, blanks, or is empty.
>EVERY shot you have EVER seen of people pointing guns at eachother in a film, if you examine closely they are actually pointing the gun just off to the side.
This is complete bullshit, by the way.
Brandon Lee was not killed with “blanks”. It was a live round with the powder removed but primer kept live and the bullet replaced after powder was removed.
That’s not an inert round or “blank”.
It wasn’t a “piece” that got lodged but an actual bullet pushed into the barrel by the the primer being fired. You are correct though that a blank fired the bullet lodged in the barrel into Lee. I realize you basically said the same thing but your post is slightly misleading to those unfamiliar with firearms.
ok yea i didn't convey well enough what happened.
they didn't have blanks available so they tried to make one by cutting open a bullet and removing parts of it, what the armorer told me is a piece of that make shift "blank" got lodged into the barrell.
he also said that even gun powder residue can build up in the barrel, and then over time that it self can become a projectile that can be fired by a blank, which is part of why (he explained) is the reason that in the film industry you are not allowed to ever actually point a gun at a person, and if you are ever seen even jokingly pointing a gun at someone it can be grounds for disciplinary action like revoking your access to real fire arms in general if not worse then that.
its a straight up fact. i think there are some exceptions for co2 fake guns but besides that no one is ever actually pointing a gun at eachother, it just looks that way on camera. the armorer that taught the gun safety course explained that they will be about 20-30 degrees off to the side and its not visible on camera.
>they didn't have blanks available so they tried to make one by cutting open a bullet and removing parts of it, what the armorer told me is a piece of that make shift "blank" got lodged into the barrell.
Well he sounds as incompetent as everyone on the rust set.
>he also said that even gun powder residue can build up in the barrel, and then over time that it self can become a projectile that can be fired by a blank
I seriously hope you didn’t pay to have this man tell you these things…
Ok, if he was saying a gun firing BLANKS ONLY could build up residue that could become dislodged if not cleaned, I can see that.
yea because blanks in the film industry tend to use more gun powder if i'm not mistaken so that it shows up on camera better
There's new tech being developed now that is safer, quieter and doesn't require gunpowder of any kind to simulate gunfire. Puffs of CO2 combined with LEDs that all can be adjusted for the director's needs. Gun wranglers on set are going to be out a job in a decade.
>no recoil
Gay
I agree you won't get the same recoil from it currently, and that just leaves an opening for some promising young inventor to work on. Regardless, Hollywood is willing to sacrifice the tiny ripples of flesh moving while Stallone is dual wielding minguns if it means they don't accidentally get shot on set.
that sounds like a joke to me
i'm pretty sure the gun powder residue thing is real if you don't clean the barrel its just that it doesn't make like a "bullet" perse, it would only injure people at point blank range, it creates enough concussive force to injure people if you are shooting them with the gun right near them.
See
>its a straight up fact.
It's bullshit. Literally a reddit meme.
>lacsidasical
so close to being an expert on the matter
You're so fricking full of shit. How many countless shots are there in films of guns pressed directly against actors' heads?
You are a buffoon and I will be closing this tab so don't even bother replying to me.
Your larp, it is how you say, reetard
>not a real gun
>can't fire
k
But what if I want to film an uninterrupted single take/shot of some bad guy loading the gun, walking over to the damsel in distress, shoving the gun into her mouth and telling her to suck on it, while keeping his finger on the trigger?
anon please I can only get so erect
Confess, what actress would you like to see this being done to?
>film sets are SUPER anal about gun safety
Not Rust lol
Reminder that Alec did it to satisfy his own curiosity.
Sick bastard
I don't think he planned the killing exactly but it's not that far of reach to say he made choices that would increase the odds of that happening. He was the main person in charge after all
>I don't think he planned the killing
looks like obvious murder to me, one that was planned by a fricking moron
An actor on one of those old shows only I remember killed himself doing that because blanks can be deadly at that range
he loaded that gun and killed her, then paid the armorer to plead guilty to negligent manslaughter and get a reduced woman privilege sentence. if i was a detective my first question would be "why did alec baldwin want to murder that woman?" and heavily investigate their history.
>gets removed from case for witch hunt schizo motive that a DA would be embarrassed to take to court
yes that's probably what happened
>gets removed from the case because you were actually on to something and the israelites got nervous
At this point in his life... yes, I think he might
Amazing how this Hollywood multimillionaire can kill someone point blank but some random chick goes to jail on his behalf.
America is more corrupt than Russia.
>responsible for gun safety on set
>someone dies
>person who’s job was safety goes to jail
>OMG ITS COMMUNIST RUSSIA UP IN HERE
You ever wander why presidents and CEO’s get roasted in the court of public opinion and sometimes fired after someone lower in the company fricks up? It’s because it’s literally their job to take the heat.
I’ve been around firearms my entire life and the idea that someone else is responsible for ensuring the weapon I’m holding is safe is absolutely batshit. I guess that’s why I would never be involved in making a movie with firearms.
Is Baldwin morally responsible? I can’t say because I was raised in a culture of gun safety and he obviously wasn’t. Is the guy a piece of shit for many other reasons? I would say most likely.
>responsible for gun safety on set
>someone dies
heres the thing, the gun might've been safe when it left the armorers possession, Alec had live cartridges on his ammo belt
>the gun might've been safe when it left the armorers possession, Alec had live cartridges on his ammo belt
Both of those statements are factually untrue.
The gun was loaded before it was handed to him and live rounds were kept among the blanks that the guns were supposed to be loaded with.
In fact, the rule that actors are NOT allowed to mess with a gun they're handed to the point where they CANNOT open it up and check whether it's loaded is in place to prevent this exact bullshit theory you're spouting, that an actor might load it and circumvene security measures.
>Both of those statements are factually untrue.
both of them are correct you fricking subhuman trash, end of discussion, you have nothing to say
>end of discussion
Great argument, Trumptard.
you're bad faith subhuman trash, not a person
Case in point.
the FBI confirmed Alec lied to them and that he had live cartridges on his ammo belt
Nope. The FBI wasn't even involved. For obvious reasons, since it's not a federal case. Try again, troll.
>FBI refutes Alec Baldwin's story
like I said, you're nothing but subhuman trash
Again: The FBI does not get involved in non-federal cases. No matter what your "truth social" feed says.
thats literally NPR you subhuman trash
A team from the FBI was enlisted to test the gun and verify Baldwin's claim was bogus that it fired without him pulling the trigger. The man can't stop lying for some reason.
>A team from the FBI was enlisted to test the gun
You don't "enlist" FBI teams, brainlet.
Do you mean that they sent the gun to a state lab? Big whoop.
They have a boss is a big profile case for all we know Baldwin can call them himself, all this speculation but the trial is done and over and we can simply ask that and get a reply lol
Wut? Try to make sense, mate.
go to bed alec, you're fricked
>In fact, the rule that actors are NOT allowed to mess with a gun they're handed
New Mexico law doesn't give a crap what bullshit rules are made up on set, state law supersedes any of it. Just because a director tells you to rape some woman doesn't mean you are suddenly legally permitted to rape her.
>New Mexico law doesn't give a crap what bullshit rules are made up on set
Those rules are "made up" in a way to not only minimize safety risks (by centralizing responsibility), but also to guarantee compliance with the law. New Mexico law does not, in any way, demand that you cannot use a gun that you presume is not loaded on a film set in good faith. And if it did, no films with guns would be made in New Mexico, because such a law would run counter to all and any safety procedures in place to minimize failure.
An awfully big block of text to say nothing. Doesn't matter what the reason is for set rules, they are irrelevant.
>Doesn't matter what the reason is for set rules, they are irrelevant.
You'll find out soon enough that they are not.
There's a reason that the film industry has given the now disgraced attorney of that place shit for even pursuing this kind of reasoning.
>You'll find out soon enough that they are not.
When the New Mexico Grand Jury finds Baldwin innocent it means movie set rules supersede state law?
in my opinion the entire discussion about industry rules is moot because its a suspected murder, not an industrial accident
>its a suspected murder
It's not. It's a negligance argument and the charges are for manslaughter. In the case against the armorer as well, by the way. She wouldn't have gotten away that lightly if it was premeditated or murder.
>She wouldn't have gotten away that lightly if it was premeditated or murder.
obviously she has no part in the crime, Baldwin had live cartridges on his own ammo belt
>obviously she has no part in the crime
She literally is the only person on set who was allowed to load the gun. If she does her job, the gun cannot possibly be loaded by anyone.
Also, again, the charge against Baldwin is not a murder charge either, so no matter how much social media conspiracy bullshit you spout, you are factually incorrect.
>She literally is the only person on set who was allowed to load the gun
what does this have to do with anything? the gun is fine when it leaves her possession, Alec loads live cartridges into the gun when hes alone for 2 seconds and commits murder
>the gun is fine when it leaves her possession,
It wasn't.
>Alec loads live cartridges into the gun when hes alone for 2 seconds
He's on set. People are not alone on set. The armorer in particular is responsible to keep a watch on what actors do with the weapons handed to them. And opening a weapon as an actor is a taboo that anyone would notice immediately, in which case the standard procedure goes into effect of the armorer stepping in and reexamining the weapon to make sure it's safe, including unloading and reloading it if it is supposed to have blanks.
There's a reason those measures are in place. They are safer than your "muh everybody checks his own gun" bullshit that you know from your hillbilly shooting range.
moronic paid subhuman PR shill
Sorry, but that's how film sets work. It's a pretty clear cut situation. No place for your conspiracy theories.
less than human PR shill garbage, the church itself is so small no one else fits in there, no witnesses
>the church itself is so small no one else fits in there, no witnesses
You're trying too hard.
there were 3 people in the church, two of them got shot by the 3rd person
no witnesses, two victims, one armed gunman who hit two people
>there were 3 people in the church
Imagine being this fricking moronic.
>her responsibility ends where tampering occurs
Frick off with your qanon-tier conspiracy bullshit already. Again, no matter how much you insist, it's not a murder charge.
>it's not a murder charge.
they're certainly looking at the possibility and Alec is not out of the woods yet
>they're certainly looking at the possibility
No, they're not.
you know, Alec is kinda a moron, not smart like me, when I murder someone, no one has the slightest clue.. but Alec.. Hes a moron, hes not smart enough to pull it off as we can see
>not smart like me
Kek. Shouldn't you been paying attention to your trial right now, Donald?
you're a paid PR shill only interested in Baldwins reputation, but the mans subhuman trash
Careful you don't violate that gag order again.
moronic subhuman trash with nothing to say, actual noise
If Baldwin was a poor black man, he would have been charged with murder. But because he's a rich white man, he will get away with a slap on the wrist. Two different gun experts stated the gun was empty when they handed it to him (and later changed their story after Baldwin took them to Denny's), and Baldwin is on record on Twitter fantasizing about what it would be like to murder someone. Amerikkkan justice system for you.
No. A "poor" black actor wouldn't be charged either.
This charge is ridiculous, and if it were to go through, it would negatively impact safety on film sets going forward.
>it means movie set rules supersede state law
No, it means that your state law doesn't actually say what it says, that set safety rules do in fact 100% comply with the law, and that compliance with the safety measures on a film set also means that there is no mens rea.
>no mens rea
obviously there is, he hit two targets with one shot
>he hit two targets with one shot
That's actus reus, not mens rea. You really have not the slightest idea what you're talking about, nor basic Latin skills.
I googled up what it means and my choice remains the same, this is not accident, this is murder
>my choice
You don't get to choose.
I don't care what some moronic subhuman PR shill has to say, this is clear murder and not an accident, accident is when you don't have intent
>mens rea
It's a negligent manslaughter case, if there was mens rea Baldwin would be charged with murder 1.
How come car manufacturers don’t go to jail if someone dies because the sear belt didn’t work?
Oh it’s because they’re not connected Hollywood multimillionaires. Go to bed simp.
>designing and manufacturing a machine that involves hundreds of engineers and designers across multiple continents and hundreds of moving parts with millions of units sold
>a single gun
Ok moron lmao
>it’s because it wasn’t designed by a well connected Hollywood multimillionaire
Just say you’re a complete bootlicker anon, everyone here already knows.
Post an example where a low level employee went to jail for a car manufacturers faulty seat belts.
https://www.voanews.com/a/gun-supervisor-gets-18-months-in-prison-for-fatal-movie-set-shooting-by-alec-baldwin/7571081.html
I accept your concession.
You debunked your own argument lol
You just confirmed that Alex should be the one going to jail lol
car manufacturers hide behind a million liability clauses
she wasn't there that day
>Is Baldwin morally responsible?
If he would point the gun at his own head and pull the trigger without hesitation, then he's a moron but he's not morally responsible. If he would hesitate at all to pull the trigger with the barrel in his mouth, then he's 100% morally responsible for icing her.
>tfw you've seen this pic so many times that seeing the actual John Travolta version looks weird now
>Would he have pointed the gun at his own head and pulled the trigger without checking it first?
just tell me where the live cartridges came from, anon
No idea. The armorer wasn't on the set and they weren't filming a scene. How an actor could manage to get a hold of a loaded gun and break every training procedure, and basic common sense, by pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger is a mystery. Maybe you should ask the producer?
>How an actor could manage to get a hold of a loaded gun
The assistant director accessed the gun and handed it to him.
The same assistant director who got off scot-free on a plea deal because the prosecutor was trying way to hard to build charges on Baldwin.
>break every training procedure, and basic common sense, by pointing the gun at someone and pulling the trigger
That's not breaking anything, that's daily practice on film sets.
i hope the prosecution asks him this question, if they can even stop fricking up the indictment
The man already bought the family TWO grand slams. Leave him alone!
In this economy?
He should take them to court.
We always hear about the lady he kulled but what about the director he almost killed. Did Alec at least give him a Dennys coupon.
The Denny's angle is something that hasn't been fully explored.
What if some Denny's corpo put Baldwin up to committing this crime as some sort of viral-marketing stunt?
Baldwin visited him in the hospital and gave him his leftovers, a half eaten grand slam in a styrofoam container.
Fair compensation. Hope the c**t doesnt try to sue Alec.
you would have to be such a goddamn fool to think this happened by accident. thousands of actors in thousands of productions pointing thousands of functional firearms, and since 1984 only 2 deaths from firearms (brandon lee and jon huxom), and both deaths have adequate explanations that don't suggest foul play.
>Trumpanzees still mad he insulted their dear leader
He lost.
>Alec simps think he should walk free because he made fun of the orange man.
They just get it over with and give him a slap on the wrist manslaughter charge in a comfy rich boy prison where he doesn't even serve a full sentence. The old fat frick could practice his golf swing anyway.
The man has paid his dues, breakfast at Denny's isnt cheap!
Alec has like 10 stats in Luck. He would have pulled the trigger and the gun wouldn't have gone off. He could have then pointed it all Halyna and shot it then BAM she's dying.
>yes
he is a homosexual after all
I heard he wanted a m240saw for the scene but they didnt have one available that day , just imagine if Big Al got his request.
they would've been fine then because they didn't have live cartridges in that caliber
Just imagine they did and he just pumped round after round into her body and hes like holy shit the special fx team have done a great job with the blood packs and he cuts her arms and legs off with bullets and chops up the rest of her body and when hes done the barrel is glowing red and he uses it to light his cigar before calming saying cut.
then we would have two dead people, two people got hit by one bullet as is
>he cuts her arms and legs off with bullets
fricking keked
the argument is that people were doing target practice with the gun and then some how the live ammunition wasn't taken out when it was handed to alec.
alec is responsible for the safety precautions on set and people shouldn't have been doing target practice on set and certainly not with the same guns that are going to be in the movie precisely because something like this could happen.
alec baldwin should be liable but because hollywood is totally fricked he will get a slap on the wrist
>the argument is that people were doing target practice with the gun and then some how the live ammunition wasn't taken out when it was handed to alec.
except it has been reported that Alec had live cartridges on his own ammo belt
i'm certain there was some illuminati pedophile satanism kaballism type shit going down i'm just saying even if you go by the official explanation he still deserves to go down. which makes me think that this is like a humiliation ritual for him but also for us, the public, because we know that if we did what he did we would totally get fricked but because he's alec baldwin some random hot gun safety cordinator is going to get fricked and not by my penis.
him being culpable because he's in some position of authority is totally different from him holding a prop and fooling around with it
he did both so we don't gotta argue
the armorer being sent to prison means hes done for right?
No, it means the exact opposite.
If she was responsible for gun safety, he was not.
she wasn't there that day
Exactly. That's one of many reasons she's guilty of negligence. The others being the live rounds that were found among the blanks in her stash, other people having access to her weapons and her and others reportedly using the guns (used for filming) to shoot beer cans for fun in off hours.
moronic PR shill
prove to me Alec didn't load the live cartridges himself, he was reported to have them on his own ammo belt
>Two people can't have culpability in a crime.
Damn, US legal system is crazy.
Not when one of them is hired explitiely to shoulder the responsibility for something, no.
They also have armorers on set who manage swords. But if you handle one unsafely and run someone through, you'll still be charged with a crime. Baldwin pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger, as unsafe as it gets. And guaranteed he knew better because as the OP says, would he have pointed that same gun at his temple and pulled the trigger? Of course he would not have, but when it was someone else's life he was playing with he didn't give a shit.
>They also have armorers on set who manage swords. But if you handle one unsafely and run someone through, you'll still be charged with a crime.
You REALLY have no idea how on-set weapon and prop management works, do you?
We are talking about the law, nobody cares what your movieland guidelines are. But incidentally, even SAG guidelines make Baldwin look extremely bad.
>even SAG guidelines
That same actors guild has since come out and publicly stated that Baldwin is not responsible for gun safety and should not be held accountable for someone higher up in the chain messing up.
Your "guideline" violates standard security procedures, by the way, and if an actor insisted on it, it would actually make him liable for anything that happens.
>That same actors guild has since come out and publicly stated that Baldwin is not responsible for gun safety
they're simply taking the man at his word that he didn't do it, they're naïve, not authoritative
>they're simply taking the man at his word
No. They're taking standard security procedures seriously and realize that if they didn't, film production would be in the gutter for good.
>that he didn't do it
That he didn't do what? What he did is extremely well documented. That's not a question. The question is merely responsibility. And if actors are held responsible for armorers messing up, that's complete bullshit.
>What he did is extremely well documented
yeah, Alec lied to authorities AND had live cartridges on his own ammo belt
complete subhuman trash, actual homunculi
You're still spouting made up bullshit that is not corroborated in any way by evidence or any of the many witnesses.
you're the one with the fiction, moron
Keep crying about this and "pizzagate" then.
frick off subhuman, nothing but noise from you, never signal
He's legally liable already, hence the charges. There were 3 very easy things he could have done to facilitate safety. Check the gun is not loaded, not pull the trigger, or not point the gun at people. If he had done any 1 of these things, she'd still be alive. Instead, he ignored all 3 options and killed her stone dead.
>He's legally liable already, hence the charges.
Charges do not prove guilt, brainlet.
>to facilitate safety. Check the gun is not loaded
That would have COMPROMISED safety, moron.
There's a reason no one but the armorer is allowed to do that.
Would have saved her life. And yet, there were two other ways he could have easily saved her life, by not pointing the gun at her, or not pulling the trigger. Instead, Baldwin plowed through all 3 road blocks and killed a young boy's mother.
>Would have saved her life.
No, it wouldn't. The "expert" being there and doing her job seriously would have.
The problem were not the safety measures in place, but that they were not adhered to.
>The "expert" being there and doing her job seriously would have.
the expert was sent home by the same person whos suspected for murder here
>the expert was sent home
No, the expert was not "sent home". She simply was absent.
thats not what we've been told previously so I am going to assume you're making shit up, I have followed this story since day one
>not what we've been told
Told by whom?
>Checked it wasn't loaded,
Again, this is against safety rules on set. The armorer is supposed to make sure that it isn't loaded, or loaded properly (with blind ammunition). An actor is not trained to do that, hence why he should not take over that role, ever. It's what experts are hired for.
What you're asking for is LESS safety, not more.
You keep harping on that one thing. well let's say for a second state law cares what the rules on a given movie set are (it doesn't), how about he just doesn't point the gun at random crew members and pull the trigger like a fricking psycho?
>You keep harping on that one thing.
Because it's a really important thing. These rules have made sure that in thousands of productions over the years, there's only been very few gun-related incidents on film sets. If they fall (over you or some attorney having a hate-boner for an actor), that will have devastating consequences far larger than this case.
rules aren't worth the paper they're printed on when you're dealing with a murderer
>a murderer
How long will you low-effort conspiracy theorist keep this going?
You are making a legislative argument, the superiority of movie set rules over existing state law. And this is incredibly bad timing to make such an argument considering Baldwin following "the rules of the movie set" resulted in a woman getting shot and killed.
And these movie set rules you speak of, do they instruct actors to point guns at random crew members and pull the trigger as long as the person that handed you the gun pinky swore it wasn't loaded?
>You are making a legislative argument, the superiority of movie set rules over existing state law.
Bullshit. Nothing has to overrule anything. Both sets of rules are in absolute compliance with one another. You trying to twist state law into something it is not is irrelevant to the case.
>And these movie set rules you speak of, do they instruct actors to point guns at random crew members and pull the trigger
How long we gotta wait for you to address this? Getting weird how you keep avoiding it. Haven't come up with a theory that can justify it yet?
She was the cinematographer, he was required to point the gun at her and pull the trigger, for the scene, dummy.
1. He was required to point it away from her
2. He wasn't required to pull the trigger
3. It was blocking, he shouldn't have even had a real gun, and he knew that
4. He created the conditions under which his armor's negligence was allowed to thrive, and he was aware of it, and he contributed to it, and he didn't care
5. An accident like the one that took place was foreseeable by him, the producer
>1. He was required to point it away from her
False.
>2. He wasn't required to pull the trigger
True.
>3. It was blocking, he shouldn't have even had a real gun, and he knew that
False.
>4. He created the conditions under which his armor's negligence was allowed to thrive, and he was aware of it, and he contributed to it, and he didn't care
False.
>5. An accident like the one that took place was foreseeable by him, the producer
False.
>>1. He was required to point it away from her
>False.
Experts testified in the Guiterrez trial that shots can be framed such that the muzzle of the gun is never pointed at anyone (or if it is, there's ballistic material in the way, or other safety precautions)
>>3. It was blocking, he shouldn't have even had a real gun, and he knew that
>False.
The experts also testified to this. Their testimony overrides your inexpert personal opinion
>>4. He created the conditions under which his armor's negligence was allowed to thrive, and he was aware of it, and he contributed to it, and he didn't care
>False.
Now you're beyond moronic. Baldwin hired Guiterrez. He heard the complaints of the crew. He knew her actions had led to two negligent discharges on set. During his supposed training, he bullied Guiterrez into shutting up and had her hold his phone so he could make Instagram stories of him using his guns, with blanks, while waving them around and shooting at people. He also went off script with guns in prior instances, including pointing a gun at the director and firing after the director had yelled "cut!" prompting the director to go "mother FRICKER." He also was aware of Guiterrez allowing extras to play with the guns, including handing them off to children, and that she never shook the dummies, and that she didn't check firearms once they changed hands.
>>5. An accident like the one that took place was foreseeable by him, the producer
>False.
It's foreseeable if you don't have your face buried in the scratchy brillo of some guy's pubes as you suck him off, homosexual anon.
>shots can be framed
But they don't need to. How the shots were framed isn't the actors job in the first place, it's the job of the cinematographer who got killed.
>It was blocking, he shouldn't have even had a real gun
You mean it was a light test. Blocking is an element of cinematography, not part of the rehersal process.
Anyway, there is no rule that props (including weapons) shouldn't be used during scene setup and rehearsals. In fact, in practice, it's actually quite common (and useful) to use the actual scene props in those stages.
>Baldwin hired Guiterrez.
First: No, he didn't. He's not the only producer, and prodducers do not personally hire every single person on set anyway. But even if he had: So what?
>he bullied Guiterrez into shutting up
Kek. You're simping for that incompetent insta-thot? That's why you're throwing this tantrum in here?
>It's foreseeable
No, it's not. On a film set, you do not foresee that the one person whose one and only job it is to keep guns safe to load those with live rounds.
>and prodducers do not personally hire every single person on set anyway
every time I've been hired the decisions been done by the CEO, the CTO or the product owner, but I am a specialist anyways
You really do not know anything about film production.
I know a lot about the technical stuff, decades of experience
>the technical stuff
Yeah, right, totally. That's why they were doing "blocking" there, right?
well.. its not like you understand anything about human nature, crime or logic
Kek. So now you've been reduced to this. Well, have it your way then.
you're the one with nothing to say
>How the shots were framed isn't the actors job in the first place, it's the job of the cinematographer who got killed.
Shots that include shooting blanks in close proximity do
>You mean it was a light test. Blocking is an element of cinematography, not part of the rehersal process.
No, it was blocking, according to the testimony in the Guiterrez trial
>Anyway, there is no rule that props (including weapons) shouldn't be used during scene setup and rehearsals. In fact, in practice, it's actually quite common (and useful) to use the actual scene props in those stages.
The prosecution and defense agreed that a prop weapon should not have been used during that blocking
>First: No, he didn't. He's not the only producer, and prodducers do not personally hire every single person on set anyway. But even if he had: So what?
So he's culpable and knew that the conditions he helped create would reasonably lead to an incident like the one he was involved in.
>Kek. You're simping for that incompetent insta-thot? That's why you're throwing this tantrum in here?
You seem to be getting upset when I confront you with facts, and I get upset when you ignore those facts, and tell you that you must be taking a load from a wiener in your mouth for you to be so blind. What do you think that says about your respect for facts? You don't seem to argue using facts, as a man would, so what good are you except for sucking wiener, like a woman?
>No, it's not. On a film set, you do not foresee that the one person whose one and only job it is to keep guns safe to load those with live rounds.
It is when you personally observe the person you hired fricking around with guns, creating two negligent discharges, having multiple crew members tell you that she's a problem, that you shouldn't have hired her, and when you frick around with her and shoot Instagram stories when you should be doing firearms training. Etc., including all the other things you conveniently ignored.
>Shots that include shooting blanks in close proximity do
No, they do not. Shots with sharp weapons, live rounds, do. And you can make sure the equipment doesn't get damaged in other ways, for example by shielding it. And of course you'd make sure no one would be standing in the general direction of the shot. But that applies to the actual shooting, if there is an actual bullet involved, or maybe even with blanks, if they want to be overly careful. It does not ever apply to dry takes with an unloaded weapon in a rehearsal.
>No, it was blocking
Please do yourself a favour and look up what blocking is. It's not something that the actor carries out on set.
>The prosecution and defense agreed that a prop weapon should not have been used during that blocking
Irrelevant. Lawyers don't know shit about filmmaking. And stop calling a rehearsal "blocking".
>So he's culpable
Zero reading comprehension ability, I see.
>You seem to be getting upset
Nice projection. Say, do you follow her on Onlyfans like a good little simp should?
>It is when you personally observe the person you hired fricking around with guns
You're assuming quite a lot that has not been corroborated.
>Please do yourself a favour and look up what blocking is. It's not something that the actor carries out on set.
Gee whiz, that must be why they said in the trial there could've easily been a stand-in for Baldwin, and why he certainly didn't need a gun, and could've used a rubber one or a stick.
Maybe you should watch the trial from which all of these facts come from, moron?
>Irrelevant. Lawyers don't know shit about filmmaking. And stop calling a rehearsal "blocking".
The first assistant director of the film knows more than you do and isn't a lawyer, you massive homosexual.
"This has been referred to as blocking the shot. Is that your recollection?" "You can refer to that, you can say that, yes." -Dave Halls, 1st. Assistant Director on Rust.
Later he confirmed: "Mr. Baldwin was not called to set." Yet he was still there. Gee whiz.
You're obviously a film school homosexual with no credentials. Just like you have no knowledge of this case. Yet run your mouth.
>You're assuming quite a lot that has not been corroborated.
You're ignorant of the basic facts about what happened, having clearly not watched any of the trial.
What weight do you think we should give your uninformed, personal opinions about something you don't know anything about, hm? What are your credentials?
>that must be why they said in the trial there could've easily been a stand-in for Baldwin
No. Stand-ins also aren't involved in blocking. Because blocking is not something that's carried out in the scene, it happens before you even build sets. What was happening was scene setup and rehearsal. For the former, you can use stand-ins, for the latter, it's something that an actor needs to do himself.
>why he certainly didn't need a gun
What he needed is irrelevant. You claimed that he "should not have used it", not that "he didn't necessarily need to use it". Props get used in the setup stage ALL THE FRICKING TIME, and there is NO rule against it. So, no, he should not have.
Apparently you are actually too fricking stupid that there's a difference between the words "could" and "should".
>"You can refer to that, you can say that, yes."
Kek. Yeah, you can also refer to it as qantum physics. It isn't, obviously, but hey, you do you, Mister Attorney at Law.
>Dave Halls, 1st. Assistant Director on Rust.
This is the guy who got off on a plea deal, by the way, despite being the guy who actually handled the weapon in the armorer's absence.
>You're obviously a film school homosexual with no credentials.
No. I'm just a film fan with an active interest in the film making process. You quite obviously are not, and seem to be confusing Cinemaphile for /misc/.
>You're ignorant of the basic facts
Says the same guy insisting what should or should not be done on film sets, despite not even knowing what blocking is.
>thinks he knows better than the director who testified
lol k
one day theyll call you to the stand anon and recognize your greatness
>the director
An assistant director is not a director.
It's incredible that this is something that needs to be spelled out on a fricking film-themed image board.
if you hire an experienced person for a specific role, you expect them to be able to perform and you aren't looking over their goddamn shoulders supervising them
>How long we gotta wait for you to address this?
It's completely irrelevant to the case. You can point and fire an unloaded gun at anything, as long as you're not doing this to threaten or pressure anyone by doing so.
On film sets, it's part of your job as an actor to do so.
>You can point and fire an unloaded gun at anything, as long as you're not doing this to threaten or pressure anyone by doing so.
Finally someone who understands the law.
this "person" has nothing worthwhile to say, actual noise
>the expert was sent home
You're thinking of The Crow, not Rust.
>No, it wouldn't.
Checked it wasn't loaded, Halyna lives.
Don't point it at her, Halyna lives.
Don't pull the trigger, Halyna lives.
If Baldwin had done any one of these, Halyna lives. Instead he plowed through all 3 like a madman. It was so god damn reckless it's hard to believe it wasn't intentional.
>It was so god damn reckless it's hard to believe it wasn't intentional.
he also hit two targets, nearly unheard of for negligent discharges
>That same actors guild has since come out and publicly stated that Baldwin is not responsible for gun safety and should not be held accountable for someone higher up in the chain messing up.
Yeah, I agree. Actor Alec Baldwin is not guilty, as it's the fault of Producer Alec Baldwin for creating such a disorganized mess of a set! Actor Alec Baldwin should demand an apology from Producer Alec Baldwin.
>it's the fault of Producer Alec Baldwin for creating such a disorganized mess of a set!
Maybe, but it's hard to lay the blame squarely at his feet, considering that A) he's not the only producer, B) no matter how bad the conditions on set, this does in no way lessen the armorer's responsibility, and C) not having your production under control is not a crime.
Don't forget D) pointing a loaded a gun at a random crew member on set, pulling the trigger, shooting her dead, then lying to the cops about it.
Irrelevant, since the gun being loaded was not his responsibility, nor something he'd be expected to know or even be concerned with in that moment.
It's not irrelevant, redditor. Anybody who has ever held a gun knows to treat it as loaded and not point it at people. And ESPECIALLY not pull the fricking trigger. I can see if he was rehearsing with his co-star. But no. He aimed and pulled the trigger playing grab ass with the fricking crew. It's at the minimum criminal negligence. But he's Alec Baldwin so of course he's gonna walk lol
>Anybody who has ever held a gun
Your hillbilly standards don't apply to film sets. If they did, we'd see way more fatal gun-related incidents during film production.
Relax /misc/tards you can't just hate him into being guilty. The gun was supposed to be loaded with blanks, in fact there wasn't even supposed to be live rounds on set which is why the armorer was convicted. If the FBI analysis really did find that the gun would fire without pulling the trigger when fully loaded then I don't see how he's legally responsible for what happened. Maybe criminal negligence for being involved in the hiring of the armorer who obviously wasn't up to the job? It's a horrible tragedy stop trying to win /misc/ points by making up conspiracy theories about it you lousy monsters.
How does an armorer who isn't there, safely control & maintain firearms? Does her mere existance gurantee the safety of the set despite her physical absence? Why were arms and ammunition being handled by innocent actors without anyone with agency or authority present?
I reject the idea that armorer is the only person culpable when she wasn't personally there putting a gun in Baldwin's hand.
>but she left it on a cart...
No. If you can't be trusted to know anything about a gun, you shouldn't touch them.
>but that's how movies are made
Then Hollywood shouldn't exist. No movie will ever be made that could be worth a woman's life and man's maiming. Have you no decency you Capitalist frickstains?
>How does an armorer who isn't there, safely control & maintain firearms?
See, that's why she's in jail now.
of course that goes out of the window if its revealed Alec tampered with the weapon after it left the armorers possession
NM grand jury declined to look at any of the "evidence" Baldwin's enormous NYC legal team dumped on them, mostly just fellow celebs testifying to what a great dude he is. His legal team has already pissed off the judge as well and the trial hasn't even started yet. Looking more and more like he's going to get convicted and get the same sentence as the PAWG, violent offender status and 18 months in a maximum security prison of which he must serve a mandatory 85% of.
Wondering what doing that much hard time will do to Baldwin. With his temper he might end up spending the rest of his life in prison over this.
>Baldwin becomes the Shot Caller
Kinio arc.
so how did the armorer justify this little oopsie daisy?
how can she be responsible for it when SHE WASNT THERE THAT DAY
realistically, she wasn't, unless shes responsible for those live cartridges being there
i assume they are going to imprison her because they are gonna let everyone else off, someone has to go to jail for it
>they are gonna let everyone else off
Baldwin is not out of the woods yet, murder doesn't expire
It was her fricking job and legal responsibility to be there that day. Or, if she wasn't there for a really good reason, to at least make sure that HER guns were kept under lock, with no one but her having access, so the shot wouldn't happen (pun not intended) without her being around.
Is that in her contract? She clearly doesn't own the guns...
>It was her fricking job and legal responsibility to be there that day.
her responsibility ends where tampering occurs, Alec had live cartridges of indeterminate origin on his ammo belt
HE GOT AWAY WITH IT AND THIS BOARD WILL SEETHW ETERNALLY HAHAHAHAHHA
>HE GOT AWAY WITH IT
so you haven't been following the story at all, they're not letting him walk
You're confusing him with Trump, the guy he played on SNL.
I hope I never become so cynical that I delight in an innocent person's murder just because someone else is upset about it.
To the set of the Rust production rode a Baldwin one fine day
Hardly spoke to folks around him, didn't have too much to say
No one dared to ask his business, no one dared to make a slip
For the Baldwin there among them had a prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
It was early in the morning when he rode into the town
He came riding from the south side slowly lookin' all around
He’s a big name actor loose and running, came the whisper from each lip
And he's here to do some business with the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
In this set there worked a cinematographer by the name of Halyna Hutchins
Many men had tried to take her and that many men were dead
She was vicious and a killer though a youth of 24
And the notches on her prop pistol numbered one and 19 more
One and 19 more
Now Baldwin started talking, made it plain to folks around
Was a big name actor, wouldn't be too long in town
He came here to take a cinematographer back alive or maybe dead
And he said it didn't matter he was after Halyna Hutchins
Wasn't long before the story was relayed to Halyna Hutchins
But the cinematographer didn't worry men that tried before were dead
20 men had tried to take her, 20 men had made a slip
21 would be Baldwin with the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
The morning passed so quickly, it was time for them to meet
It was 20 past 11 when they walked out in the street
Folks were watching from the windows, everybody held their breath
They knew this big name actor was about to meet his death
About to meet his death
There was 40 feet between them when they stopped to make their play
And the swiftness of Alec Baldwin is still talked about today
Halyna Hutchins had not cleared leather 'fore a bullet fairly ripped
And Baldwins aim was deadly with the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
It was over in a moment and the folks had gathered round
There before them lay the body of the cinematographer on the ground
Oh, she might have went on living but she made one fatal slip
When he tried to film Baldwin with the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
Prop iron, prop iron
When she tried to film Baldwin with the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
Sorry anon, I had to improve yours.
To the set of Rust production rode a Baldwin one fine day,
Yelled to folks around 'em, made 'em scared to earn their pay,
No one dared ask his business, no one dared to make a slip,
For the Baldwin there among them had a prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
It was early in the morning when the armorer came to town,
"Daughter of Thell Reed" were the whispers all around,
She gathered up her ammo and she did it rightful quick:
And then she asked Mr. Baldwin for the prop iron on his hip
Prop iron on his hip
Now there abut the prop cart was a woman standing by,
Hannah coughed and thusly Sarah Zachery caught her eye:
"Dig your greasy mits into my fanny pack at once,"
"I gotta unload ammo and I ain't even checked it once."
Ain't even checked it once.
So Sarah rolled her eyes and she did what she was told:
She dug into that fanny pack and lo what she behold:
A box of dummies marked that Seth Kenney's work was surely here
So unloading all the rounds she grinned from ear to ear.
Grinned from ear to ear.
Now erstwhile on the set Hannah by Mr. Baldwin did appear,
Summoned there before him he berated her quite clear:
"Get my fricking gun and do it right now really quick,"
"I've got to block this shot but I've got a little dick."
Got a little dick.
So Hannah ran back and sought out Mr. Baldwin's gun
Stopping to snort coke; this armorers' life sure was fun!
She picked it up, she loaded it, she did it mighty quick,
And thereby Mr. Baldwin had loaded iron on his hip.
Loaded iron on his hip.
Meanwhile Sarah had dialed up Seth Kenney on the phone,
He picked up shortly after, for a rats nest was his home,
"Hey honey, what's up? Got a question or a tip:"
"I got your box of ammo, should I toss it out real quick?"
"Toss it out real quick!"
The morning passed so quickly, it was time to block the shot,
Halyna Hutchins stood in for a minute in her spot,
"Now Mr. Baldwin, look right here, no need to grab your prop,"
"Oh Jesus, Lord, you fricking dick, I've surely now been shot!"
Surely now been shot.
It was over in a moment, and the EMTs had gathered round,
Seth Kenney on the phone and Halyna lying on the ground;
Hannah over there, hiding a coke stash from a cop,
And Mr. Baldwin regretting he hadn't checked his prop,
Hadn't checked his prop
Oh Halyna might have gone on living', but she made one fatal slip:
She worked a set for a man who was a piece of shit.
Was a piece of shit.
Thanks for this anon
I think what hurts him a lot more is that he has lost the moral high ground to grandstand against da chuds/Trump now.
He so wants to call everyone racist sexist incels who should have their guns taken away.
I would stand behind Alec"two shots in the thot"Baldwin. Because i would never want to stand in front of him.
Alec is going to walk and he already cut a deal with the camerawomans family and the movie will be released. He won simple as.
>Alec is going to walk
nice future tense you have there, it would be shame if his plans were to be ruined
>and the movie will be released
Do you think there's any slight chance that it won't bomb massively?
bump
The first shot may have been an accident, but why did he fire 5 more times?
Clearing the gun for safety, nub
post hannah
I could have saved her
She's dark triad at least, likely borderline. Her dad was 45 when he had her thus she was beyond saving.
It's sad that I can see that this is a very modern picture not by the outfits, but by the specific modern image processing. I guess it's possible that it was captured by a more classic digital camera, but then it must have been run through various prettyifying social media filters, or perhaps modern image compression. It's a VERY distinct "look and feel" of smudgy and slightly bloomy textures, combined with unnatural and uneven small details popping out of them.
Luckily, you posted this on the right board.
Just the other day I watched Late Night With The Devil. All the footage that is supposed to be a 70s TV master tape is doused in a fricking atrocious modern glam Instagram filter, where the specific issues that I pointed out above are even more pronounced. It's instantly noticeable and extremely anachronistic. These frickers really thought that this makes it look 70s.
It's good to have standards.
Also, to add, the blurry bokeh looks very artificial, like the fake one that modern phones create.
>I told you, I didn’t pull the trigger
State will call the FBI technician who tested the gun and said it was impossible for it to have fired without Baldwin pulling the trigger. Baldwin lying about that will prove to the jury that even Baldwin himself knew he did wrong, since he felt the need to lie about his actions after.
>You can't handle the truth!
>Trump says he can shoot somebody in broad daylight and get away with it
>Baldwin actually does it
Most serious case of TDS to date
Alec is just that alpha and competitive. I dont care about him or his acting career but you have to admit that shooting two people with one bullet and killing one is nuts just to flex on Trump and have it on public record in a court of law. Remember the charges had already been dropped once.
Course not because self-preservation. But other people...
Red hearing. A blank could kill at that range just a easily as a normal live round. A better more specific question is would he have pointed the gun at his head and pulled the trigger if somebody said it was not loaded. Personally, I would.
WHEW this is a dangerously based thread. The answer is 'no'.
>Trump and Baldwin may very well go to prison this year
I'd watch a sitcom where they become cellmates
everyone should start calling alec baldwin alec jones
if i see this guy on the street im just going to open fire
Stop calling me Alex.
Will he kill again? Looks like he's on the edge.
I'd be more afraid of that thing on the left. Looks like something straight from a TROMA flick.
>legitimately kills a crazy stalker in self-defense
>everyone questions his motives because he accidentally blasted an innocent person beforehand
what a twist
He's gonna be fine because it's not his obligation to check if a prop gun is somehow a loaded gun. It's the armorer's. He didn't do anything wrong.
Cinemaphile is only trying to twist the narrative into it being his fault because they're mad he made fun of their orange daddy and desperate for some sort of win because they haven't been getting them lately. Well let me just tell you right now, you aren't gonna get this one either. Or the one later this year.
>prop gun
Literally everything used in a movie is a prop which makes every gun on camera a prop gun. Alec knew the gun was real.
No one is claiming that he didn't know the gun was a gun.
Damn, he knew it was real and still pointed it at people and pulled the trigger? I thought he thought it was fake. Dude's a psychopath.
Yes. That's what actors get paid for. Imagine that.
That would have been fricking hilarious if he pointed it at his head first jokingly and then his fricking brains blew out of his head.
Too bad.
Maybe next time.
The irony of being a vocal anti-gun advocate and having shot and killed more people than 90% of legal gun owners is amazing. What a homosexual
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And it was impossible for anyone to suspect she wasn't doing her job what with her not being around? Totally normal for people to be pulling triggers on guns they nothing about while the 'gun girl' is AWOL.
Ask the assistant director guy who got a plea deal for dirt on Baldwin that turned out to be nothing.
>curious why anons hate him
>makes fun of trump
Now I get it